Hillary Must Be STOPPED!

[bigzak25]

sHe will RUN as VP to Al Gore in 2008.

[jochhejaam]

sHe will RUN as VP to Al Gore in 2008.

Is Bill allowed to run on a ticket with Hillary as her VP?
The language in the 12th amendment says "...no person constitutionally ineligible to the
office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the
United States."

There are those who challenge the interpretation of that language;

Michael C. Dorf, vice dean and professor of law at Columbia
University, says that the 12th Amendment would allow Clinton to become
Vice-President, however. "The 12th Amendment would allow a Clinton
vice-presidency. Its language only bars from the vice-presidency those
persons who are "ineligible to the office" of President. Clinton is
not ineligible to the office of president, however. He is only
disqualified (by the 22nd Amendment) from being elected to that
office."

Arguing that disqualified does not equate to being ineligible seems to be quite a stretch


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[bigzak25]

okay, But seriously Folks,

I believe Hillary will attach herself to the Democratic ticket, not as President, but as Vice President to another Al Gore campaign.

who can the Republicans put up against that ticket to defeat IT?

i want Condi Rice. I think as Vice President, cuz i'd LOVE to see Hillary get her ass handed to her in the debates.

but who to go against Gore?

Any ideas?

I don't know if Guliani is the man for the job.

and i don't believe Jeb has what it takes, although i could be wrong.

who are the other Top notch Conservative Candidates for President?

I'd run, but i don't think Condi would agree to be my vice presidential candidate.

Thanks in advance!

[ChumpDumper]

She's going to to run for President. No doubt in my mind.

Whether she gets the nomination is another story.

[Spurminator]

I think she would see it as an insult to have to run as Gore's VP and I think she'd probably be right to think so.

[ChumpDumper]

Gore had his chance to be the Adlai Stevenson of the new millennium.

He passed.

[bigzak25]

trust me fellas, Hillary controlled the presidency from behind bill and she'll do the same with Al.

all the control, none of the heat. it's perfect for her.

now, back to the question.

Who are the Gop candidates that are not Jeb or Guliani?

and i'm not thinking arnold either.

who else is there. i am ignorant of the choices and i need help.

Thanks again!

[Marcus Bryant]

I suspect that she will run and win. The dumbass West and East Coast establishments in the Democratic party don't know how to win in flyover country. The Clintons have proven that they know how to win there. Like it or not, libs, but a reason Bush won in '04 and won big is because he convinced a majority of the voters that he respected them and understood their concerns. Kerry and Gore suck at that shit while Bill C and his wife were the fucking masters of that. Contrary to conventional wisdom, Hillary will be competitive in Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Georgia, and Virginia. The '08 election is going to be played out on GOP turf. That is never good. Given how close the Electoral College was split in '00 and '04, it won't take much to tip the scales to a Democrat presidential candidate. In addition, the media is going to go off the deep end with the 1st ever serious female presidential candidate.

Don't shoot the messenger.

[Triumph]

well, if Hllary runs as President?

then i'll call your Hillary and raise you a Condaleeza Rice 4 PRESIDENT.

game. set. match. :tu

Guliani can be the VP and it's in the bag for the GOP.

[TexasAggie2005]

trust me fellas, Hillary controlled the presidency from behind bill and she'll do the same with Al.

all the control, none of the heat. it's perfect for her.

now, back to the question.

Who are the Gop candidates that are not Jeb or Guliani?

and i'm not thinking arnold either.

who else is there. i am ignorant of the choices and i need help.

Thanks again!

Senator John McCain, Arizona

[Marcus Bryant]

What a weird fucking country. The US would go from a presidential campaign in '04 between two classic Eastern establishment old money white males to one in '08 with the potential to have the first woman president and perhaps the first black president at the same time.

[jochhejaam]

Senator John McCain, Arizona

You said it for me, McCain and possibly Rice on the ticket

[bigzak25]

well, thanks for giving me mccain.

i don't know much about him, but i do know i'd rather have Rice/Guliani than McCain on the ticket.

i'll educate myself on the man now. Thanks!

[bigzak25]

now that i think about it, i'm more fearful of a Clinton/Edwards ticket...

[Cant_Be_Faded]

People will vote for her cuz her last name is Clinton, just like minority of idiots voted for Bush just cuz his name was Bush in 2000.

[bigzak25]

she'll get a sympathy vote for living with a lying husband, but in reality, she sold out to the quest for power.

I believe Hillary is the beast reincarnate. Thus, she must be stopped.

when the bombs and explosions happen, all fingers will be on Bush.

this is one of the main reasons Bush needs to fix our borders and start gettting more

troops home so we can protect our nation from the inside for a while.

9/11 part II is on our doorsteps, i fear LA is first.

i'm going back next week, so if I get vaporized, it was a pleasure and an honor posting here. :tu

[Ocotillo]

Tell you what, we'll stop Hillary if you Repubs promise to never nominate a Bush again.........ever. :lol

[SWC Bonfire]

Just make sure that you don't feed her after midnight, and she's harmless.

[xrayzebra]

I suspect that she will run and win. The dumbass West and East Coast establishments in the Democratic party don't know how to win in flyover country. The Clintons have proven that they know how to win there. Like it or not, libs, but a reason Bush won in '04 and won big is because he convinced a majority of the voters that he respected them and understood their concerns. Kerry and Gore suck at that shit while Bill C and his wife were the fucking masters of that. Contrary to conventional wisdom, Hillary will be competitive in Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Georgia, and Virginia. The '08 election is going to be played out on GOP turf. That is never good. Given how close the Electoral College was split in '00 and '04, it won't take much to tip the scales to a Democrat presidential candidate. In addition, the media is going to go off the deep end with the 1st ever serious female presidential candidate.

Don't shoot the messenger.

MB, if she gets out the winner in primary, then I think you may be correct in your assement. Bill will pull no stops in getting his wife elected and call in all his cards (and she her's). My hope is the country will stop there run, buuutttttt........if my side (the Republicans) do what they did when Clinton ran (both races) don't show up with a good canidate, we may have another Clinton in the White House. He won because the Republicans just didn't show up at the polls to support their canidate.I don't know if Rice will run. I am not sure she wants the the job. And I am not sure she is up to the job, she is plenty smart and shows good intelligence, but as Secretary of State she has kept a very low profile on the International scene, except making visits to other countries, which haven't generated much in the news media. It may be she is just using quite diplomacy. We will only know later. Right now I think Guliani may have a good chance, if he wants to try for the job. McCain, who the hell knows about him. Me personally, I think he is just what he was a Lt. Col. who got himself shot down in VN. Yeah, he went thru hell over there and I respect him for that, but since then as a Senator, I have my doubts about him. He is a tad on the liberal side for me. Sorry, but I am just an old conservative, always have been, always will be. I just don't think he has a chance in primaries and I am not sure the public at large would support him.

[SWC Bonfire]

McCain, who the hell knows about him. Me personally, I think he is just what he was a Lt. Col. who got himself shot down in VN. Yeah, he went thru hell over there and I respect him for that, but since then as a Senator, I have my doubts about him. He is a tad on the liberal side for me. Sorry, but I am just an old conservative, always have been, always will be. I just don't think he has a chance in primaries and I am not sure the public at large would support him.

McCain is a fiscal conservative. That used to be old school.

But Senators always think that they are automatically canditates for pres. I think that they are disadvantaged because they are in the legislative mindset, and the Presidency is an administrative job.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

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[xrayzebra]

McCain is a fiscal conservative. That used to be old school.

But Senators always think that they are automatically canditates for pres. I think that they are disadvantaged because they are in the legislative mindset, and the Presidency is an administrative job.


Bonfire, I am not so sure he is a fiscal conservative. I am not sure what he stands for. Heck, half the time he is siding with the Demo's and sponsoring some stupid bill. Like his Political campaign contributions bill. Now he is at it again. Yeah, I know there is a lot of money shoveled around, in both parties, and many smaller ones. But good Lord, look at moveon.org. One man uses most of his own money, which should be allowed, I don't agree with him, but it is his money. How the hell he made it being so stupid I have no idea, but he did. How do you outlaw that? I don't think we have any fiscal conservatives left in congress. The demo's back in my younger days had a lot of them. But after all the kooks took over the party starting in 68 things changed. And LBJ really put the country on a spending spree. Lots of folks in this forum really forget that the dimm-o-craps started the VN war, with JFK putting troops in there and LBJ and bay of Tomkin affair. But no matter, it all happened and I changed, actually tried to stay with a party that had my same beliefs. Government cant be all things to all people, just not possible. Spend a little time in Europe and you will find that out. Their government sounds great till you get over there and live there do you find that it just doesn't work out. Like socialized medicine. Many in the UK now have private health insurance because they cant get care under their government system. Also most aren't aware that their social security system lets the people in put money into private investments. Yeah, a socialized government allows that, wonder why? Oh, only one thing I did like about their medical system, the doctors still do make house calls.

[SWC Bonfire]

You're preaching to the choir on socialism.

But McCain has been villified by radical right members because he dared vote against specific provisions in bills he disliked. How is that healthy for a political party's future?

[mookie2001]

I will support Hillary if she gets the nom
I hope she doesnt, because she'll probably lose
I'm supporting Dean or Clarke, or Gore if he really runs

[xrayzebra]

You're preaching to the choir on socialism.

But McCain has been villified by radical right members because he dared vote against specific provisions in bills he disliked. How is that healthy for a political party's future?

Well debate is not bad. It is what this country was founded on really. Hell the founders debated and fought like cats and dogs sometimes. And I would say they did a pretty good job. Villified, hmmm, not sure if you mean members of congress or some of the right wing nuts we have, who the media love to quote. I don't recall any members of Congress putting him down to bad. Some others, outside Congress, I really don't pay that much attention to them. Kinda like watching a game on TV, got to learn to tune the announcers out, hell, all they want to do is talk, talk, talk and never say much. About what the kooks do in politics, both parties, except the left wing media call the dimm-o-craps experts and the Pubs analysis. :lol When in reality neither know much about which they speak. A whole lot like what we get on this forum from some. Like you know when Fox news guy was standing on the freeway in N.O. couldn't go anywhere, but trying to make up a story and you and I more than likely knew as much as he did and we didn't know anything.

[SWC Bonfire]

I hope she doesnt, because she'll probably lose

Mookie posted something that is factual. If they want to go on "electability":

1. They didn't know what that actually entailed the last time around;
2. Too many people violently hate Hillary Clinton, and that coupled with the 1st woman to run for President isn't helping. The first women who gets elected for president is going to be one popular lady.

Demos better nominate Clarke. He's the only one that most people don't hate or love.

[mookie2001]

i dont think its mainly the hatred
shit more people hate Bush

but naturally the first woman that gets a big two nom, will lose
no doubt about it
this election is too important

so the hell with Hillary
I'm not gonna feel bad because I want to beat a Grand Ol Nominee

[SWC Bonfire]

^mookie understands^

[xrayzebra]

i dont think its mainly the hatred
shit more people hate Bush

but naturally the first woman that gets a big two nom, will lose
no doubt about it
this election is too important

so the hell with Hillary
I'm not gonna feel bad because I want to beat a Grand Ol Nominee

Mookie, don't let your feeling color what you think. Most people really don't hate Bush. You may, but, many don't and they do support him in his efforts. I know you may not realize it, but what he is doing is right for the country. We have been in a war for many years and nothing was done to those who would destroy our way of life and country. This was taken as weakness of will on our part. I know by your many post how you feel. But finally we, USA, is doing something. Pulling our troops out of Iraq would stop nothing. Witness Russia yesterday. They don't and didn't support us, but it hasn't stopped them there. And don't be fooled, they, the terrorist are all tied in together.

[mookie2001]

whatever you say

but he is the most hated prez of my generation by far
reagan
bush sr
clinton
Bush jr
no comparison

[SWC Bonfire]

Don't sell Slick Willie short...

But yeah, they hate his guts. It's actually fun, you can get violent, explosive reactions by just saying "George W. Bush".

[mookie2001]

I know people hated him
but not with so much passion
Rush Limbaughs entire show was "bashing" him
did anyone call him anti-american?

[Ocotillo]

I am in the camp that thinks Hillary is too "polarizing" to win.

There is an argument though that Bush is very divisive as well and he managed to win, barely.

So it would not be unreasonable to make a case that Hillary could win a national election, barely. She won't have a Johnson ''64, Nixon '72 or Reagan '84 type of landslide.

I just want the two parties to advance two tickets that don't include a Clinton or Bush on them. If the corruption and scandals continue throughout the rest of the Bush presidency, the country will be ready for the "outsider" whoever that may be.

I read recently that only two presidents have been elected directly from the Senate (Harding and Kennedy). Look for the trend to continue........

Sorry, Hillary, Brownback, George Allen, Feingold, Biden, Santourem, et al..

[Marcus Bryant]

Bush was polarizing in '04. BClinton was polarizing in '96.

"Polarizing" to their political opponents, that is.

[Trainwreck2100]

She would be the worst nominee since John Kerry.

[JoeChalupa]

Hillary could win the election. Only time...and votes or the courts will tell.



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[Marcus Bryant]

She would be the worst nominee since John Kerry.


Actually, she'd be the best since her husband for the Demos. Like it or not, their crew knows how to win presidential elections. The country, for better or worse, has a net positive view of her husband. She would be a media darling as the 1st serious female presidential candidate as well as the fact that she stirs such raw emotions among her political opponents.

The Clintons have proven that they know how to make a Democrat presidential candidate competitive in between the west and east coasts.

[Marcus Bryant]

Also, if the GOP attempts to respond to her with CRice as the nominee, then tokenism will be in full effect. Rice also does not have demonstated political pull among the evangelicals.

Unless the GOP is hiding a badass somewhere, I'd say at this point that they are going to lose in '08.

[Ocotillo]

Re: Rice there are questions about her stand on issues such as choice/life by cultural conservatives. Thing is, the three leading Repubs at this point (Rudy, Rice and McCain) only McCain is pro-life for sure. Who will emerge as the darling of the cultural conservatives from the party?