Will Trump Make Vaccines Another Partisan Issue?

[baseline bum]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/will-vaccines-become-another-partisan-issue/

Will Trump Make Vaccines Another Partisan Issue?
By Harry Enten

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., radio host, environmental lawyer and nephew of President John F. Kennedy, told reporters on Tuesday that President-elect Donald Trump has asked him to be chairman of a commission on vaccines and scientific integrity. Kennedy has repeatedly said he believes in the widely discredited claim that vaccines cause autism. (They do not.)

It’s not clear that Kennedy will get the job or that the commission will be created. After Kennedy’s statement, the Trump transition team said that while Trump is exploring the possibility, no final decisions had been made. But medical experts immediately denounced the possibility, saying it could put children in danger, and as The Washington Post put it, putting Kennedy in charge of such a commission would be a “stunning move [that] would push up against established science, medicine and the government’s position on the issue.”

Beyond the disregard for scientific evidence, however, Trump’s decision to take up vaccine-related conspiracy theories could have the added effect of polarizing opinion on vaccines along partisan lines.

Vaccines now have wide, bipartisan support: Most Americans agree with the scientific consensus that they are safe. In a YouGov survey conducted last month, 72 percent of Democrats, 67 percent of independents and 71 percent of Republicans said it was not true that vaccines caused autism. Previous surveys also showed that the vast majority of Americans (of all political stripes) agreed that children should be required to get vaccinated and should not be allowed into school until they do.

But we live in polarized times, and there have been a few issues recently that — once ushered into the political limelight — have lost bipartisan support. Democratic and Republican opinion on Russia, for example, used to rise and fall in unison. But since Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election has become an issue, and Trump has said nice things about Russia and its president, Vladimir Putin, Republicans have started to see Russia substantially more favorably than Democrats do.

Something similar happened with the Electoral College. Trump’s victory, even though he lost the popular vote, has shifted opinions on that topic as well.

http://i.imgur.com/XJTzyUV.png

The current gap between Democrats and Republicans on whether the United States should decide presidential elections by popular vote — 50 percentage points — is the largest on record.

History also tells us that scientific issues can become polarized along partisan lines and stay that way. Back in 1998, 48 percent of Republicans and 47 percent of Democrats said that global warming had already begun, according to a Gallup survey. By 2007, after a decade of fighting between Democrats and Republicans on the issue — as well as the release of “An Inconvenient Truth” starring Al Gore — 70 percent of Democrats believed climate change had started. Republican belief in global warming remained relatively steady at 45 percent. Today, even fewer Republicans (40 percent) and even more Democrats (77 percent) believe climate change has already begun.

Evolution has also grown more polarized over the last decade. Back in 2005, the Pew Research Center found that 54 percent of Democrats and 47 percent of Republicans agreed that “humans and other living things have evolved due to natural processes such as natural selection.” By 2014, 67 percent of Democrats believed that humans had evolved because of natural processes. Republicans, however, remained at 47 percent.

We’re not sure that vaccines will become polarized along partisan lines. It’s not even clear to what extent Trump will take up the issue. But if he does, don’t be surprised if Republican and Democratic views on vaccines begin to diverge, even as the science stays the same.

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Where'd he get that stutter, bum?

[rmt]

When someone watches her child have an anaphylactic reaction to a vaccine that the child has already had (2nd dose of DTap) and to which he's supposedly not allergic to and the pediatrician goes into a panic, administers epinephrine, yells at the mother because she threw away prednisolone (steroid) on HIS instruction, sends a rush order of prednisolone to the nearest pharmacy with instruction that he must carry it always and tells said mother not to come back to his office for vaccines, have the allergist administer in the hospital - is when I'll listen to anyone about mandatory immunizations. Never again. Until it happens to you, ...

And these docs will not give a medical exemption for the other vaccines - only the one that resulted in an anaphylactic reaction. Even with an allergy like eggs, my son was injected with small amounts of chicken pox vaccine (egg-based) until the entire dosage was put in - took hours - but that was when I blindly followed doctors' advice instead of listening to my own gut reaction/instinct. Wish I had followed my uneducated dad's advice to give him everything (food) instead of allergist's avoidance advice. Too late now.

[SnakeBoy]

So baseline do you think we should go back to using thimerosal in all of our vaccines?

[rasuo214]

Might flip the west coast states red.

[vy65]

I recently stopped seeing a chick because she came out to me as an anti-vaxxer.

[Th'Pusher]

I recently stopped seeing a chick because she came out to me as an anti-vaxxer.

Far out, man.

[baseline bum]

So baseline do you think we should go back to using thimerosal in all of our vaccines?

Don't tell me you're one of those nutjobs who thinks vaccines cause autism.

[Spurminator]

"God I hope so, can you imagine how pissed the libcucks would be if Trump outlaws vaccines??? Lololololol"

[Spurminator]

"Maybe libtardcucktards can cure polio with their triggered sjw libtears"

[rmt]

I recently stopped seeing a chick because she came out to me as an anti-vaxxer.

Being anti-vaccine is a dis-qualifier for you? I'm old enough that I never took any of those vaccines (except polio) - got chickenpox, measles - brother got mumps - no big deal back then. But I also never knew anyone with allergies or asthma when I was young. With the rampant autism, allergies and asthma today - I'd be skeptical especially if it was in the family or happened to someone close to me.

[Splits]

Don't tell me you're one of those nutjobs who thinks vaccines cause autism.

We all now know that crazy Florida woman is :lmao

[Splits]

When someone watches her child have an anaphylactic reaction to a vaccine that the child has already had (2nd dose of DTap) and to which he's supposedly not allergic to and the pediatrician goes into a panic, administers epinephrine, yells at the mother because she threw away prednisolone (steroid) on HIS instruction, sends a rush order of prednisolone to the nearest pharmacy with instruction that he must carry it always and tells said mother not to come back to his office for vaccines, have the allergist administer in the hospital - is when I'll listen to anyone about mandatory immunizations. Never again. Until it happens to you, ...

And these docs will not give a medical exemption for the other vaccines - only the one that resulted in an anaphylactic reaction. Even with an allergy like eggs, my son was injected with small amounts of chicken pox vaccine (egg-based) until the entire dosage was put in - took hours - but that was when I blindly followed doctors' advice instead of listening to my own gut reaction/instinct. Wish I had followed my uneducated dad's advice to give him everything (food) instead of allergist's avoidance advice. Too late now.


Being anti-vaccine is a dis-qualifier for you? I'm old enough that I never took any of those vaccines (except polio) - got chickenpox, measles - brother got mumps - no big deal back then. But I also never knew anyone with allergies or asthma when I was young. With the rampant autism, allergies and asthma today - I'd be skeptical especially if it was in the family or happened to someone close to me.

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[benefactor]

^crofl

[rmt]

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I sincerely hope that you never have to deal with a kid who is allergic to life - you wouldn't be laughing then. And you wonder why I homeschool with all that dairy and peanut butter at school.

[benefactor]

rmt sounds like she's outside of child bearing years. Pretty good thing. She'd be a perfect candidate for forced sterilization.

[rmt]

rmt sounds like she's outside of child bearing years. Pretty good thing. She'd be a perfect candidate for forced sterilization.

Sorry to disappoint - but already did my reproducing. Imagine - 3 of me - indoctrinated and all - running wild. Careful - one of them is in Texas - hope one of you don't fall for her - you might have to dump her when you hear her anti-vaccine position. Better make sure to ask every girl on the first date.

[baseline bum]

Being anti-vaccine is a dis-qualifier for you? I'm old enough that I never took any of those vaccines (except polio) - got chickenpox, measles - brother got mumps - no big deal back then. But I also never knew anyone with allergies or asthma when I was young. With the rampant autism, allergies and asthma today - I'd be skeptical especially if it was in the family or happened to someone close to me.

Holy fuck, do you semen shield for Trump on every fucking issue?

[baseline bum]

I sincerely hope that you never have to deal with a kid who is allergic to life - you wouldn't be laughing then. And you wonder why I homeschool with all that dairy and peanut butter at school.

You homeschool because you're a jeebotard, right?

[rmt]

Holy fuck, do you semen shield for Trump on every fucking issue?

Nothing to do with Trump. Anaphylactic reactions are a very REAL part of my life - long before Trump.

[rmt]

You homeschool because you're a jeebotard, right?

Would you please explain "jeebotard" to me? Google brings up a broken link to a SpursTalk post.

[benefactor]

Sorry to disappoint - but already did my reproducing. Imagine - 3 of me - indoctrinated and all - running wild. Careful - one of them is in Texas - hope one of you don't fall for her - you might have to dump her when you hear her anti-vaccine position. Better make sure to ask every girl on the first date.
That means nothing. I have hardcore conservative parents and I got older and realized they were buying into bullshit. Perhaps yours got enough genetic material from someone who is modestly intelligent and will do the same.

[benefactor]

Would you please explain "jeebotard" to me? Google brings up a broken link to a SpursTalk post.
You believe in Santa for adults.

[rmt]

Most of the people I know (myself included) get more conservative as they get older so there's hope for you all :-) And oh yes, college is indeed rubbing off on her - she didn't vote for Trump - left president blank but Republican down ticket. But I'm hopeful for more conservatism as she get older and perhaps gets married/has children - nothing like raising kids and wanting to teach them the "right" way - I think I've provided enough laughs for you all tonight.

[benefactor]

I've grown more to the center since I've gotten older. I'm almost 40 so I don't really see that changing. Here's to hoping your children do the same. :toast

[Splits]

I sincerely hope that you never have to deal with a kid who is allergic to life - you wouldn't be laughing then. And you wonder why I homeschool with all that dairy and peanut butter at school.

i sincerely hope your leech farm is thriving. Fucking dumbass doctors and scientists doing research and science. My great grandfather told me those bloodsuckers cure stupidity and AIDS. He never got either!

[rmt]

i sincerely hope your leech farm is thriving. Fucking dumbass doctors and scientists doing research and science. My great grandfather told me those bloodsuckers cure stupidity and AIDS. He never got either!

Well, you have to see that I followed those doctors' advice to a tee regarding ds' allergies - AVOIDANCE, AVOIDANCE, AVOIDANCE. Of course, their advice now is EXPOSE, EXPOSE, EXPOSE as young as possible (peanut butter at 6 months instead of 3 years). Can't go back now. Actually, peanut butter is not too hard to avoid - but try avoiding dairy in America - on every door knob at school.

[spurraider21]

people get more conservative as they get olderthis is what old conservatives tell themselves

[SnakeBoy]

When someone watches her child have an anaphylactic reaction to a vaccine that the child has already had (2nd dose of DTap) and to which he's supposedly not allergic to and the pediatrician goes into a panic, administers epinephrine, yells at the mother because she threw away prednisolone (steroid) on HIS instruction, sends a rush order of prednisolone to the nearest pharmacy with instruction that he must carry it always and tells said mother not to come back to his office for vaccines, have the allergist administer in the hospital - is when I'll listen to anyone about mandatory immunizations. Never again. Until it happens to you, ...

And these docs will not give a medical exemption for the other vaccines - only the one that resulted in an anaphylactic reaction. Even with an allergy like eggs, my son was injected with small amounts of chicken pox vaccine (egg-based) until the entire dosage was put in - took hours - but that was when I blindly followed doctors' advice instead of listening to my own gut reaction/instinct. Wish I had followed my uneducated dad's advice to give him everything (food) instead of allergist's avoidance advice. Too late now.


Being anti-vaccine is a dis-qualifier for you? I'm old enough that I never took any of those vaccines (except polio) - got chickenpox, measles - brother got mumps - no big deal back then. But I also never knew anyone with allergies or asthma when I was young. With the rampant autism, allergies and asthma today - I'd be skeptical especially if it was in the family or happened to someone close to me.


So are you anti vaccine because you're afraid of an allergic reaction or do you think the vaccines are responsible for the allergies? Not clear on that.

[SnakeBoy]

Don't tell me you're one of those nutjobs who thinks vaccines cause autism.

No I think old bitches having babies is causing autism.

But there's a difference between being anti thimerosal and being anti vaccine. All I've been able to find is RFK Jr. being anti thimerosal.

[in2deep]

I would not believe anything the washington post says. Sounds like fearmongering to me

[pgardn]

I would not believe anything the washington post says. Sounds like fearmongering to me

So what do you read for news?

[florige]

Don't tell me you're one of those nutjobs who thinks vaccines cause autism.


A friend of mine in VA who voted for Obama in 08 is one of those wack jobs who is convinced that a vaccine caused her daughter's autism. She also rants about Obama being the Anti-Christ and she regrets voting for him in 08.

[rmt]

As you may guess from my posts, I'm against being FORCED to do anything. I wish people would not issue blanket statements like "vaccines are safe" or "vaccines don't cause autism." They have no idea which child might be on the edge health-wise/psychologically and if those vaccines are what pushed them over the edge. In California, I think there is now no religious exemption, no philosophical exemption, and I assume medical exemption ONLY for a specific vaccine for which there has been an anaphylactic reaction/immune system is compromised. That, imo, is too extreme.

My child is very allergic - took one dose of DTap okay and had a severe reaction to the 2nd dose. It could be that there was something different in the second dose (years apart) or that each successive exposure is more severe. You have no idea how helpless it feels to both the doctor and parent when a child starts slipping away. And all for what - to prevent the chicken pox or measles that I had as a child that wasn't any big deal? The chicken pox vaccine isn't even effective - one of the Brownies in my troop had chicken pox even though she had her full set of immunizations to get into school in kindergarten. Look, my oldest is perfectly healthy and I'm fine with vaccines for her. My second has mild Asperger's and I always had doubts where he was concerned - after all, the parent knows him (developmentally) best. The last one - absolutely never again - I don't care what paper I have to sign to avoid them - I'll never risk it again.

I don't think that vaccines are responsible for the allergies - I had upset stomach from the moment I got pregnant to the day he was born. I guess all that pizza, peanuts, eggs, etc I ate during my pregnancy gave him reactions which affected me too. But he was non-verbal until 4 (had to have tons of speech therapy) and if I had to do it all over again, no vaccine would ever enter his body - because nobody knows for sure. About the only vaccine I might risk would be the polio one but since polio is all but wiped out in the US and I'd never put him on a plane (peanut dust flying about), I probably wouldn't do that one either. All I'm saying (as with other stuff on this board) is that there are other POVs, other situations that warrant avoidance - and the mocking that goes on when others don't agree with the popular view point (I don't mean you personally) is so closed-minded - you never know until you're standing in those shoes.

[rmt]

Might as well finish the rant - who is the government to tell me what to do with/put in my or my child's body? They don't see the similarity with abortion? A vaccine is not something that can be taken back and if they do contribute in some way to autism, guess what - it's the parent/child who's stuck with it for the rest of their lives. What's wrong with if there is an outbreak - stay home - at least I'd like to be given that option instead of having to homeschool all the way through high school. And college - that's a whole 'nother story - haven't even checked with that yet.

[spurraider21]

I would not believe anything the washington post says. Sounds like fearmongering to meoh and saying "dont take so many vaccines because they cause (with no credible evidence to back it up) autism!" isn't fearmongering

[rmt]

oh and saying "dont take so many vaccines because they cause (with no credible evidence to back it up) autism!" isn't fearmongering

And would you like it to be your child on whom they decided it does affect autism? Remember - can't take the vaccine back. I wonder how many first or only child out there have it and aren't reported? - either because the parent doesn't know or the pediatrician (if there's one) didn't diagnose. I know my well-vetted ped told me, "don't compare your son to your daughter - boys are behind in speech development" - that delayed his diagnosis - it wasn't until he was past 3 that she referred him for testing - past the government's Early Intervention Program age so I had to pay out of my pocket for therapy. Really wish there was the information available on the internet now back then. For the last one, I got him into EIP very early - didn't wait for a physician's referral.

[baseline bum]

A friend of mine in VA who voted for Obama in 08 is one of those wack jobs who is convinced that a vaccine caused her daughter's autism. She also rants about Obama being the Anti-Christ and she regrets voting for him in 08.

Is she an old bitch? Prob why she had the defective kid tbh.

[SnakeBoy]

Is she an old bitch? Prob why she had the defective kid tbh.

:toast

[vy65]

Sweet jesus

[SnakeBoy]

Look, my oldest is perfectly healthy and I'm fine with vaccines for her. My second has mild Asperger's and I always had doubts where he was concerned - after all, the parent knows him (developmentally) best. The last one - absolutely never again - I don't care what paper I have to sign to avoid them - I'll never risk it again.

I don't think that vaccines are responsible for the allergsie -

Thanks for the answer. I think that's a reasonable position.

As for the autism stuff, there was never the claim that vaccines caused autism. The claim was the mercury preservative in vaccines caused autism. Personally I don't think that is credible but the CDC didn't help matters when they tell the public that it is perfectly safe and at the same time tell the vaccine manufacturers to stop using it in children's vaccines.

[spurraider21]

there was never the claim that vaccines caused autism.
lol

[z0sa]

The autism question is one that nees to be answered in any case, tbh.

[spurraider21]

The autism question is one that nees to be answered in any case, tbh.does caprisun cause aids? the question needs to be answered

[z0sa]

does caprisun cause aids? the question needs to be answered

Clarifying: what has caused the increase birth rate of autistic children?

[baseline bum]

Clarifying: what has caused the increase birth rate of autistic children?

old used up bitches having kids

[monosylab1k]

Clarifying: what has caused the increase birth rate of autistic children?

Proper diagnosis.

[z0sa]

Proper diagnosis.

Perhaps.

[spurraider21]

Clarifying: what has caused the increase birth rate of autistic children?caprisun was introduced in the US in 1981. aids took off in the US in the early 80's. the question must be answered

point being, sure lets answer the autism question... but why do we jump to vaccines as one of the places to look? there's nothing behind it

[florige]

Is she an old bitch? Prob why she had the defective kid tbh.



Nah she is fairly young. Probably around 31, 32. She has these dreams about weird stuff all the time and thinks they mean something. She talks about ghost and weird paranormal stuff happening in her house regularly. Her daughter not talking is probably a direct effect of her mom turning into a nut job.

[rmt]

For anyone out there who has ANY doubt about autism in your child, get him tested early. Also Google and then ask your pediatrician to test for MTHFR - it's a fairly common defect in the way folate (folic acid) is processed. A lot of kids with autistic-type/allergy/asthma tendencies have it. There are supplements called methylfolate and methylcobalamin (vitamin B12) that allow bypassing the genetic defect and getting the cycle working again. The breakdown of this cycle (methylation) manifests itself in a host of problems (even stomach/digestion/failure to thrive problems - interferes in production of HCL [stomach acid] and also miscarriages) and simple supplementation of the 2 above helps. Please note that this is not meant as diagnosis or treatment but to point you in a possible direction and if there is something off about your child/any doubt - be proactive and test - the earlier the better.

[rmt]

Nah she is fairly young. Probably around 31, 32. She has these dreams about weird stuff all the time and thinks they mean something. She talks about ghost and weird paranormal stuff all the time. Her daughter not talking is probably a direct effect of her mom turning into a nut job.

Would you PLEASE mention my above post to this poor woman. I know that the worry, stress and DESPERATION can turn one into a nut case (look at me, for example :-) and maybe, just maybe her child has MTHFR and these supplements might help.

[florige]

Would you PLEASE mention my above post to this poor woman. I know that the worry, stress and DESPERATION can turn one into a nut case (look at me, for example :-) and maybe, just maybe her child has MTHFR and these supplements might help.


Yes I will copy and paste it and send it to her. FYI I don't think she is a nutcase about her kid's autism. Just the other stuff I mentioned.

[rmt]

... In conclusion, present meta-analysis strongly suggested a significant association of the MTHFR C677T polymorphism with autism.

http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/26956130

[baseline bum]

Nah she is fairly young. Probably around 31, 32. She has these dreams about weird stuff all the time and thinks they mean something. She talks about ghost and weird paranormal stuff happening in her house regularly. Her daughter not talking is probably a direct effect of her mom turning into a nut job.

Also mention my post to her please.

[Chucho]

I don't believe in the Flu vaccine. Not because I don't believe in vaccinations, I just don't believe in flu vaccines that are sold season after season although the flu virus basically changes every year. You're buying a dose of "doesn't do shit for you this year if you got sick last year" every time. Haven't had a flu shot in over 20 years, haven't caught full blown flu in 20 years. Not stating correlation there, just coincidence, but not taking an injection that can be administrated by someone who graduated from a trade school program wont hurt either.

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't believe in the Flu vaccine. Not because I don't believe in vaccinations, I just don't believe in flu vaccines that are sold season after season although the flu virus basically changes every year. You're buying a dose of "doesn't do shit for you this year if you got sick last year" every time. Haven't had a flu shot in over 20 years, haven't caught full blown flu in 20 years. Not stating correlation there, just coincidence, but not taking an injection that can be administrated by someone who graduated from a trade school program wont hurt either.

The Flu shot is based off the CDC's "best guess" of what will be going around this year. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they don't. I don't see any problem with getting it since it doesn't hurt anything.

[Chucho]

The Flu shot is based off the CDC's "best guess" of what will be going around this year. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they don't. I don't see any problem with getting it since it doesn't hurt anything.

A lot of people catch slight sickness from it, some get really sick. It's a Catch 22 for some, for me, it's just not worth it to even get a bit sick.

[spurraider21]

... In conclusion, present meta-analysis strongly suggested a significant association of the MTHFR C677T polymorphism with autism.

http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/26956130coo. MTHFR is a gene mutation, not a vaccine or an ingredient of vaccines.

[resistanze]

So baseline do you think we should go back to using thimerosal in all of our vaccines?

...When was this ever the case? Thimerosal was/is only in vaccines twhere a multi-dose presentation existed. Single dose vials have never had it.

[SpursforSix]

The Flu shot is based off the CDC's "best guess" of what will be going around this year. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they don't. I don't see any problem with getting it since it doesn't hurt anything.

The flu shot is stupid. Just another way for BigPharm to line their pockets. Getting the flu is part of life. You feel like shit for a while but then you move on. Maybe you're system is even stronger for it. I guess if you're old, maybe go ahead. The amount of deaths is insignificant. BigAg and BigPharp kill thousands more people each year with their poison products.

[spurraider21]

The flu shot is stupid. Just another way for BigPharm to line their pockets. Getting the flu is part of life. You feel like shit for a while but then you move on. Maybe you're system is even stronger for it. I guess if you're old, maybe go ahead. The amount of deaths is insignificant. BigAg and BigPharp kill thousands more people each year with their poison products.
I've never gotten those routine seasonal flu shots, so I agree anecdotally... but I can't speak for people who are more predisposed to illness or live in areas where the flu could be more dangerous or life threatening

[rmt]

coo. MTHFR is a gene mutation, not a vaccine or an ingredient of vaccines.

sigh - I know - it's in my dh's family and therefore, my kids. I'm just putting it out there as a point of reference for anyone with autism to check. Supplementation may show improvement.

[rmt]

And anecdotally, I haven't gotten a cold or flu since being on my low carb, high fat diet (for diabetes - about 4-5 years) - must be the lack of sugar starving those viruses :-)

[boutons_deux]

And anecdotally, I haven't gotten a cold or flu since being on my low carb, high fat diet (for diabetes - about 4-5 years) - must be the lack of sugar starving those viruses :-)

Sugar, processed carbs, synthetic sweeteners are Bad For Ya.

[Splits]

Also mention my post to her please.

:lol

[rmt]

Sugar, processed carbs, synthetic sweeteners are Bad For Ya.

No whole grains or root vegetables (processed or unprocessed) for me - only leafy vegetables - feel like a rabbit.

[SpursforSix]

I've never gotten those routine seasonal flu shots, so I agree anecdotally... but I can't speak for people who are more predisposed to illness or live in areas where the flu could be more dangerous or life threatening

I agree with that. If you're in a physical condition where getting the flu could become life threatening, then go ahead and get it.

I'm just skeptical of the push for all these vaccines.

I was particularity pissed when my daughter's doctor tried to guilt us in to her getting the Guardisil vaccine when she was like 11.

[spurraider21]

I agree with that. If you're in a physical condition where getting the flu could become life threatening, then go ahead and get it.

I'm just skeptical of the push for all these vaccines.

I was particularity pissed when my daughter's doctor tried to guilt us in to her getting the Guardisil vaccine when she was like 11.
I'm skeptical of the need, not of the potential autism

[SpursforSix]

I'm skeptical of the need, not of the potential autism

I don't even think about the autism. But I do worry that the drug companies are trying to scare people into shooting things into their body that haven't been tested over longer periods of time. Especially for diseases that are not imminently deadly and that if caught early, are highly treatable anyway. It's hard for me to even comprehend that Perry was trying to make this mandatory. Speaking of Gardisil.

[florige]

Also mention my post to her please.


Will do. :toast

[Chucho]

Sugar, processed carbs, synthetic sweeteners are Bad For Ya.


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fd/7f/97/fd7f9773fd7b32b703f03c08aa3993e9.jpg

Seems about right.

[SpursforSix]

http://www.k-zap.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/simmons.jpg

[SpursforSix]

http://udqwsjrf942s8cedd28fd9qk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/richard.jpg

[SpursforSix]

http://static.deathandtaxesmag.com/uploads/2013/08/fay.jpg

[SnakeBoy]

I've never gotten those routine seasonal flu shots, so I agree anecdotally... but I can't speak for people who are more predisposed to illness or live in areas where the flu could be more dangerous or life threatening

lol anti vaxxer

[spurraider21]

lol anti vaxxer
?

[Gummi Clutch]

Nothing to do with Trump. Anaphylactic reactions are a very REAL part of my life - long before Trump.
Anaphylactic reactions can be in response to anything dumbass.

[Gummi Clutch]

Proper diagnosis.
Took that long for someone to give a proper answer...

There are very high functioning autistic people in society that made their way around before also.

[Gummi Clutch]

The flu shot is stupid. Just another way for BigPharm to line their pockets. Getting the flu is part of life. You feel like shit for a while but then you move on. Maybe you're system is even stronger for it. I guess if you're old, maybe go ahead. The amount of deaths is insignificant. BigAg and BigPharp kill thousands more people each year with their poison products.
The flu shot is meant for the elderly and young, and those at risk for secondary bacterial pneumonia complications. Those kill. Getting the flu shot reduces your chances of that.

There.

[pgardn]

I'm skeptical of the need, not of the potential autism

The need for healthy people to get it is because they can be carriers. They can have the virus and have very mild symptoms. I have never had the flu and started getting the vaccine every year now when I realized this.

[pgardn]

The flu shot is stupid. Just another way for BigPharm to line their pockets. Getting the flu is part of life. You feel like shit for a while but then you move on. Maybe you're system is even stronger for it. I guess if you're old, maybe go ahead. The amount of deaths is insignificant. BigAg and BigPharp kill thousands more people each year with their poison products.

In the US past 10 years or so...

Death from flu50,000- 10,000/yr
Death from the car accidents ~35,000/yr

Insignificant is a relative term...
I don't see it as stupid.

[Pelicans78]

The flu shot is meant for the elderly and young, and those at risk for secondary bacterial pneumonia complications. Those kill. Getting the flu shot reduces your chances of that.

There.

Wrong the flu shot is meant for everyone except less than 6 months old.

[Pelicans78]

Alot of idiots in this thread

[Pelicans78]

The flu shot is stupid. Just another way for BigPharm to line their pockets. Getting the flu is part of life. You feel like shit for a while but then you move on. Maybe you're system is even stronger for it. I guess if you're old, maybe go ahead. The amount of deaths is insignificant. BigAg and BigPharp kill thousands more people each year with their poison products.

Another retarded post.

[Pelicans78]

Might as well finish the rant - who is the government to tell me what to do with/put in my or my child's body? They don't see the similarity with abortion? A vaccine is not something that can be taken back and if they do contribute in some way to autism, guess what - it's the parent/child who's stuck with it for the rest of their lives. What's wrong with if there is an outbreak - stay home - at least I'd like to be given that option instead of having to homeschool all the way through high school. And college - that's a whole 'nother story - haven't even checked with that yet.

Just a small sample of the retarded crap you've posted in this thread.

[SpursforSix]

The flu shot is meant for the elderly and young, and those at risk for secondary bacterial pneumonia complications. Those kill. Getting the flu shot reduces your chances of that.

There.

I don't disagree with that. But the doctor's want everyone to get it. What I have a problem with is every doctor's appoint I've been to in the last several years..."have you got your flu shot yet?" "why not". Same with my kid. And this is with different doctors at different facilities. I assume it's like this everywhere. They push the hell out of it. I've never gotten the flu shot and have only had the flu maybe twice in the last 10 years. One week of feeling shitty. My daughter has sporadically gotten flu shots over the same period. She got one last year and ended up getting the flu. If someone wants to get it, then that's fine. But a doctor shouldn't question a healthy adult as to why they or their kid isn't getting one. And every time my daughter goes, they also try to convince us that she needs the Gardisil shots as well.

[SpursforSix]

Another retarded post.

why?

[Gummi Clutch]

Wrong the flu shot is meant for everyone except less than 6 months old.
You misunderstood me, or I was ambiguous. The ones most at risk and who benefit the most from the flu shot are the very elderly and young. Post-viral staph pneumonia is what the concern is. Who should get a flu shot? Everyone as it will reduce their chances of getting the flu. In terms of mortality however, there is a line in the age range.

[Quadzilla99]

does caprisun cause aids? the question needs to be answered

Lol

[Splits]

:lol rmt the stupidest cunt on this website

7VG_s2PCH_c

[spurraider21]

now that oliver made a video on it and we know priority #1 is pissing off liberals...

it only stands to reason we'll start seeing a bunch of anti-vax shit popping up in the near future

[spurraider21]

also, :lol at "Didn't get Polio again today. SO LIT"

[boutons_deux]

JO is a huge gift to USA from UK, and his writers are excellent.

[spurraider21]

"The age children are supposed to get the MMR vaccine happens to be the same age that diagnosable signs of autism can begin to appear"

probably the best quote in that segment

[pgardn]

Trump giving his prescription on how vaccines are dosed out...

Like he has done the research and understands anything about the protocol for different vaccines.
Just like he runs the WH.

"I've seen it. I've seen it! You take this little beautiful baby...."

Good God... Just make shit up.

[pgardn]

Cosmo

Problem solved.
You are in the 1/3.

http://www.theonion.com/article/study-finds-only-1-3-lasik-surgeries-end-laser-bor-56331?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing

[DarrinS]

I remember taking both my kids as babies to get their four shots. Reminded me of how I inject turkeys. Seems excessive for one visit, but whatever.

[spurraider21]

I remember taking both my kids as babies to get their four shots. Reminded me of how I inject turkeys. Seems excessive for one visit, but whatever.
did they get polio or the measles?

[monosylab1k]

I remember taking both my kids as babies to get their four shots. Reminded me of how I inject turkeys. Seems excessive for one visit, but whatever.

:lmao forcing some way to be critical of vaccines :lmao straining for hours to squeeze out a quarter sized turd.

I can only imagine what it would be like if Colbert had a pro-vaccine video trending.

[monosylab1k]

I remember taking both my kids as babies to get their four shots. Reminded me of how I inject turkeys. Seems excessive for one visit, but whatever.

Oh, nevermind, I actually watched the video and saw that you're just semen shielding for Trump. Again. You Trump non-fan, you.

[spurraider21]

Oh, nevermind, I actually watched the video and saw that you're just semen shielding for Trump. Again. You Trump non-fan, you.
Im legit surprised Darrin didn't compare his child to a horse tbh

[RandomGuy]

It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so express it, that mental lying has produced in society. When a man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime.

[Thread]

It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so express it, that mental lying has produced in society. When a man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime.

Boiled down:::He mopped the fuckin' floor with her fuckin' ass.

[RandomGuy]

So baseline do you think we should go back to using thimerosal in all of our vaccines?

Depends.

What is the actual evidence about the harm?

[Thread]

Depends.

Yeah, slip it on & STFU.

[RandomGuy]

Being anti-vaccine is a dis-qualifier for you? I'm old enough that I never took any of those vaccines (except polio) - got chickenpox, measles - brother got mumps - no big deal back then. But I also never knew anyone with allergies or asthma when I was young. With the rampant autism, allergies and asthma today - I'd be skeptical especially if it was in the family or happened to someone close to me.

Do you understand what a post-hoc reasoning failure is?

You just made one.

[RandomGuy]

:lol rmt the stupidest cunt on this website

7VG_s2PCH_c

Respectfully:

You are being unkind to someone who needs information, not derision.

This topic is important enough to take as seriously as possible, and the best way to get people to realized they might be wrong is to be respectful and insistent on evidence-based science.

Not that I am the best at this by any stretch, but I would point out that rmt is generally polite, informed, and honest.

FWIW.

[RandomGuy]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/will-vaccines-become-another-partisan-issue/

Will Trump Make Vaccines Another Partisan Issue?
By Harry Enten

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., radio host, environmental lawyer and nephew of President John F. Kennedy, told reporters on Tuesday that President-elect Donald Trump has asked him to be chairman of a commission on vaccines and scientific integrity. Kennedy has repeatedly said he believes in the widely discredited claim that vaccines cause autism. (They do not.)

It’s not clear that Kennedy will get the job or that the commission will be created. After Kennedy’s statement, the Trump transition team said that while Trump is exploring the possibility, no final decisions had been made. But medical experts immediately denounced the possibility, saying it could put children in danger, and as The Washington Post put it, putting Kennedy in charge of such a commission would be a “stunning move [that] would push up against established science, medicine and the government’s position on the issue.”

Beyond the disregard for scientific evidence, however, Trump’s decision to take up vaccine-related conspiracy theories could have the added effect of polarizing opinion on vaccines along partisan lines.

Vaccines now have wide, bipartisan support: Most Americans agree with the scientific consensus that they are safe. In a YouGov survey conducted last month, 72 percent of Democrats, 67 percent of independents and 71 percent of Republicans said it was not true that vaccines caused autism. Previous surveys also showed that the vast majority of Americans (of all political stripes) agreed that children should be required to get vaccinated and should not be allowed into school until they do.

But we live in polarized times, and there have been a few issues recently that — once ushered into the political limelight — have lost bipartisan support. Democratic and Republican opinion on Russia, for example, used to rise and fall in unison. But since Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election has become an issue, and Trump has said nice things about Russia and its president, Vladimir Putin, Republicans have started to see Russia substantially more favorably than Democrats do.

Something similar happened with the Electoral College. Trump’s victory, even though he lost the popular vote, has shifted opinions on that topic as well.

http://i.imgur.com/XJTzyUV.png

The current gap between Democrats and Republicans on whether the United States should decide presidential elections by popular vote — 50 percentage points — is the largest on record.

History also tells us that scientific issues can become polarized along partisan lines and stay that way. Back in 1998, 48 percent of Republicans and 47 percent of Democrats said that global warming had already begun, according to a Gallup survey. By 2007, after a decade of fighting between Democrats and Republicans on the issue — as well as the release of “An Inconvenient Truth” starring Al Gore — 70 percent of Democrats believed climate change had started. Republican belief in global warming remained relatively steady at 45 percent. Today, even fewer Republicans (40 percent) and even more Democrats (77 percent) believe climate change has already begun.

Evolution has also grown more polarized over the last decade. Back in 2005, the Pew Research Center found that 54 percent of Democrats and 47 percent of Republicans agreed that “humans and other living things have evolved due to natural processes such as natural selection.” By 2014, 67 percent of Democrats believed that humans had evolved because of natural processes. Republicans, however, remained at 47 percent.

We’re not sure that vaccines will become polarized along partisan lines. It’s not even clear to what extent Trump will take up the issue. But if he does, don’t be surprised if Republican and Democratic views on vaccines begin to diverge, even as the science stays the same.



An Insider's View: The Dark Rigidity of Fundamentalist Rural America (http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/rural-america-understanding-isnt-problem)

Basically: Religious fundamentalism (dogmatism of any kind really) creates the equivalent of a compromised immune system when it comes to bullshit, and countering it, especially on a collective basis.

The right in this country has a decided anti-science streak because of it, and on that basis, I would not be surprised if it becomes a partisan issue, with the GOP being the party of the anti-vaxxer.

Currently, as noted this flawed viewpoint is bipartisan. I do not expect that to hold, as I think 538 got it right.

We'll see.

[Splits]

Respectfully:

You are being unkind to someone who needs information, not derision.

This topic is important enough to take as seriously as possible, and the best way to get people to realized they might be wrong is to be respectful and insistent on evidence-based science.

Not that I am the best at this by any stretch, but I would point out that rmt is generally polite, informed, and honest.

FWIW.

Yes, because nobody on this site has ever tried that. She has never moved an inch on any of her moonbatshit craziness that I am aware of, except when I derided her because she was pissed off that climate science was taught in chemistry class. When informed carbon was a chemical on the periodic chart, I believe this cuntface said something like "oh really? hmmm". Under the veneer of "politeness" is an evil, cold-hearted bitch who deserves nothing but scorn.

Give it your best shot. I believe the last one to try was spurraider21 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905) but I could be wrong about it.

I'll stick with pointing out what a stupid cunt she is until you disprove me.












oh, and :lmao "informed"

[spurraider21]

i dont think i've ever directly conversed with rmt... but don't intend to.

im going to borrow a phrase from chinook... its like trying to pry a manhole with a toothpick

[pgardn]

i dont think i've ever directly conversed with rmt... but don't intend to.

im going to borrow a phrase from chinook... its like trying to pry a manhole with a toothpick

Well that's a bit more discriptive and diplomatic than labeling her a c***

[RandomGuy]

Yes, because nobody on this site has ever tried that. She has never moved an inch on any of her moonbatshit craziness that I am aware of, except when I derided her because she was pissed off that climate science was taught in chemistry class. When informed carbon was a chemical on the periodic chart, I believe this cuntface said something like "oh really? hmmm". Under the veneer of "politeness" is an evil, cold-hearted bitch who deserves nothing but scorn.

Give it your best shot. I believe the last one to try was spurraider21 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905) but I could be wrong about it.

I'll stick with pointing out what a stupid cunt she is until you disprove me. oh, and :lmao "informed"


Fair enough. I will say that religion of the kind I think she believes in tends to inhibit true critical thinking, which, thankfully, is a skill that can be learned and taught.

I am an optimist, though.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Respectfully:

You are being unkind to someone who needs information, not derision.

This topic is important enough to take as seriously as possible, and the best way to get people to realized they might be wrong is to be respectful and insistent on evidence-based science.

Not that I am the best at this by any stretch, but I would point out that rmt is generally polite, informed, and honest.

FWIW.

I doubt that account is really a black female and it does not move an inch when respectfully shown information to the contrary of their preferred outcome. It will either stop posting or repeat itself. **** is not the word that I would choose but its not entirely inappropriate either.

[baseline bum]

I'd never put him on a plane (peanut dust flying about)

You hear that everyone? Don't fly because of all the peanut dust.

[DarrinS]

An Insider's View: The Dark Rigidity of Fundamentalist Rural America (http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/rural-america-understanding-isnt-problem)

Basically: Religious fundamentalism (dogmatism of any kind really) creates the equivalent of a compromised immune system when it comes to bullshit, and countering it, especially on a collective basis.

The right in this country has a decided anti-science streak because of it, and on that basis, I would not be surprised if it becomes a partisan issue, with the GOP being the party of the anti-vaxxer.

Currently, as noted this flawed viewpoint is bipartisan. I do not expect that to hold, as I think 538 got it right.

We'll see.


Yeah, the anti vaxxers are all right wing loons

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/27/californias-epidemic-of-vaccine-denial-mapped/?utm_term=.a4438b2ce8c7

[spurraider21]

Yeah, the anti vaxxers are all right wing loons

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/27/californias-epidemic-of-vaccine-denial-mapped/?utm_term=.a4438b2ce8c7
i dont think there's anything inherently liberal or conservative about anti-vaxxers. robert kennedy jr is one of the staunchest anti-vax guys and he's on the left. jenny mccarthy was also a loud voice on the issue and she's not really political as far as i know

i think they're dangerous regardless. trump is currently the largest political mouthpiece in the US, and he's made his views clear... and many of his supporters will take anything he says as literal fact, so there are consequences. he's kept pretty quiet about it since that debate to my knowledge, so no complaints on that front as long as he keeps it that way

i dont know what liberal or conservative ideology would make somebody anti-vax... i dont think it can be defined on those terms

[pgardn]

You hear that everyone? Don't fly because of all the peanut dust.

A number of airlines don't serve peanuts anymore because of allergies.
just thayn

[baseline bum]

A number of airlines don't serve peanuts anymore because of allergies.
just thayn


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEb5a-I0kyg

[DarrinS]

Louis CK is awesome. :tu

[Spurminator]

Yeah, the anti vaxxers are all right wing loons

Like he said...



Currently, as noted this flawed viewpoint is bipartisan.