Kawhi Leonard Announced As All-Star Game Starter

[Robz4000]

:claw:toast

West:
Curry
Harden
Kawhi
Durant
Davis

East:
Irving
DeFr:lolzan
Butler
LeBron
Antetokounmpo

[Darius Bieber]

West starters will run train on the East starters.

[spurraider21]

:cry lazy spers fans :cry

[r0drig0lac]

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[apalisoc_9]

Cousins should probably starting...:lol

Defrozen over Thomas and Lowry :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

I don't see this anywhere, where did u find this robz

[HarlemHeat37]

The league definitely went full DNC-Bernie on Zaza:lol

[Budkin]

West starters will run train on the East starters.

[DPG21920]

Irving and DeRozan over IT and Lowry SMH

[TD 21]

I'm sure the masses will complain about Curry over Westbrook, but I don't have a problem with it. I'd have went with Paul over both had he stayed healthy though.

Lowry is the best guard in the East and should have been the automatic. I'd have went with Wall second.

[Proxy]

The league definitely went full DNC-Bernie on Zaza:lol

haha

[apalisoc_9]

How did Ante get this much considertation? Media hype :lol

I aknwoledge he's improved as a player, but they're an under 50% team :lol...

[FromWayDowntown]

RWB's one-man freeze-out of the Warriors at the All-Star Game is going to be fascinating to watch.

[DPG21920]

Has there ever been a year where the possible MVP (Westbrook) didn't start in the All-Star Game?

[apalisoc_9]

The spurs should just sign lowry..:lol

[DPG21920]

The spurs should just sign lowry..:lol

Kyle L:lolwrefried

[apalisoc_9]

Has there ever been a year where the possible MVP (Westbrook) didn't start in the All-Star Game?

Harden almost won MVP twp years ago as a sub.

They're barely pver 500% would be criminal to give him MVP. he's averaging 8.5 uncontested defensive reboubds. :lol

[RD2191]

How did Ante get this much considertation? Media hype :lol

I aknwoledge he's improved as a player, but they're an under 50% team :lol...

TBH. He hasn't even played a full good season.

[apalisoc_9]

With Chris Paul out, Draymond probably makes the All-Star team as the 4th warrior.

[DPG21920]

Harden almost won MVP twp years ago as a sub.

They're barely pver 500% would be criminal to give him MVP. he's averaging 8.5 uncontested defensive reboubds. :lol

He's been great overall, but ya, I have Harden as my MVP at the moment, then Durant, then Westbrook. But I think Russ has a legit chance to win based off of his stats, the narrative (KD leaving, Russ having "no talent" around him). I am really trying to think of someone who actually won MVP and didn't start the all star game that same year.

[Robz4000]

I don't see this anywhere, where did u find this robz

Multiple Sources

[Arcadian]

Not bad. This is the first time in several years when the fans didn't completely fuck something up. But this year fans only had a partial vote, right?

[140]

How did Ante get this much considertation? Media hype :lol

I aknwoledge he's improved as a player, but they're an under 50% team :lol...
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[SPURt]

Congrats to Kawhi! It's awesome to have Spur starting considering the star power in the West! Westbrook is probably breaking stuff right about now. Dude is putting up triple doubles and can't start.

[apalisoc_9]

He's been great overall, but ya, I have Harden as my MVP at the moment, then Durant, then Westbrook. But I think Russ has a legit chance to win based off of his stats, the narrative (KD leaving, Russ having "no talent" around him). I am really trying to think of someone who actually won MVP and didn't start the all star game that same year.

OKC second half schedule is much more difficult. They could easily fall under .500% and Curry stealing first team honours. So long as Houston keeps pace with San Antonio, he would win it.

It's still early. A 15 game stretch from kawhi or Lebron could easily change the direction of the MVP race...Specially since both players will mpst likelt finish with the 2nd or or third best records overall.

[apalisoc_9]

Did Writers just forget about Millsap? It was his one chance pf starting and he's actually having the best season of his career with Atlanta most likely finishing third on the east :lol

[lefty20]

"Kawhi should be home resting for the playoffs" :pop:

[DPG21920]

Dude :lol not debating the MVP voting - just asking out loud a question

[apalisoc_9]

Dude :lol not debating the MVP voting - just asking out loud a question

The answer is no. Harden was the closest thing to an MVP and a sub..at least to my knwoeldge.

[RD2191]

:lmao Chuck

[apalisoc_9]

:lmao Chuck

What did he say my nigga? :lol

Fat jokes about SA?

[Robz4000]

What did he say my nigga? :lol

Fat jokes about SA?

:lol his face when Ernie explained the math behind the new voting system

[BatManu20]

What's with the DeRozan hate on this site? Dude's having a helluva season and deserves to be an All-Star starter. He's been Toronto's best player all season. Averaging 28 pts, 5 boards, and 4 assists on 48% shooting and a 25 PER.

[FromWayDowntown]

Has there ever been a year where the possible MVP (Westbrook) didn't start in the All-Star Game?

It looks to me like the last time the eventual MVP wasn't a starter in the ASG was 2004-05, when Steve Nash was the MVP, but Kobe and McGrady were the starting guards for the West in the ASG.

(to be picky, Karl Malone ended up stealing Tim's 1999 MVP, but wasn't an ASG starter, though only because there wasn't a game that year).

[mudyez]

Really? No Zaza?

How?

[apalisoc_9]

It looks to me like the last time the eventual MVP wasn't a starter in the ASG was 2004-05, when Steve Nash was the MVP, but Kobe and McGrady were the starting guards for the West in the ASG.

(to be picky, Karl Malone ended up stealing Tim's 1999 MVP, but wasn't an ASG starter, though only because there wasn't a game that year).

Forgot about nash..but i reber him starting his mvp year..but he did win two.

[DarrinS]

I've always hated the NBA All Star game.

[DPG21920]

It looks to me like the last time the eventual MVP wasn't a starter in the ASG was 2004-05, when Steve Nash was the MVP, but Kobe and McGrady were the starting guards for the West in the ASG.

(to be picky, Karl Malone ended up stealing Tim's 1999 MVP, but wasn't an ASG starter, though only because there wasn't a game that year).

Oh man, good call! Thanks.

[DPG21920]

What's with the DeRozan hate on this site? Dude's having a helluva season and deserves to be an All-Star starter. He's been Toronto's best player all season. Averaging 28 pts, 5 boards, and 4 assists on 48% shooting and a 25 PER while being a solid defender.

He has not been their best player. Lowry has. Demar has been solid though even if his impact doesn't match is box score.

[Canyonero]

Curry-Durant-Harden won't give him a damn ball :lol

[dabom]

Of course Kawhi was gonna be starter. All the media voted for Kawhi.

[Cry Havoc]

Cousins should probably starting...:lol

Defrozen over Thomas and Lowry :lmao

Why? Durant has been incredible and Davis has the stat edge on him pretty clearly.

[Cry Havoc]

How did Ante get this much considertation? Media hype :lol

I aknwoledge he's improved as a player, but they're an under 50% team :lol...

Cousins is on one of the worst teams in the League, far worse than the Bucks, but you want him in?

[ace3g]

2017 NBA All-Star ‏@NBAAllStar (https://twitter.com/NBAAllStar) 34s34 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/NBAAllStar/status/822236130309455872)




Making his 2nd #NBAAllStar (https://twitter.com/hashtag/NBAAllStar?src=hash) appearance... @kawhileonard (https://twitter.com/kawhileonard) of the @spurs (https://twitter.com/spurs)!

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[Mikeanaro]

The league definitely went full DNC-Bernie on Zaza:lol
:lmao
Agreed, but who the hell wants to see Pachulia as a starter?
This lineup is killer, tbh and I dont even like ASG.

[DPG21920]

Wish the jersey's didn't suck so damn bad

[Robz4000]

Kawhi got the third-most votes from the players in the West, second most from the media.

[RD2191]

:claw congrats whi whi

[99 Problems]

Where are Zaza and Javale? And where's that other guy who the media just hanging to give dpoy to. Lol.

why not Westbricks over Curry.

[ace3g]

Jordan Howenstine ‏@AirlessJordan (https://twitter.com/AirlessJordan)






Kawhi Leonard has been selected an NBA All-Star starter for the 2nd straight year. Fifth Spur ever to start more than one All-Star game.

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[DPG21920]

Westbrook did deserve it, but Curry is an amazing player.

[lilbthebasedgod]

What's so bad about Derozan being there?

Also great news!

[DPG21920]

Kawhi got the third-most votes from the players in the West, second most from the media.

:cry they hate him

[baseline bum]

Not bad. This is the first time in several years when the fans didn't completely fuck something up. But this year fans only had a partial vote, right?

The fans did fuck it up considering Pachulia was the second leading vote getter for the WC frontcourt.

[apalisoc_9]

Cousins is on one of the worst teams in the League, far worse than the Bucks, but you want him in?

It's about Alternatives...Love and Millsap are both having terrific seasons fpr a winning team. Millsap is having the best season of his career.

[ace3g]

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[Raven]

east will lose by 50 lol

[DPG21920]

The fans did fuck it up considering Pachulia was the second leading vote getter for the WC frontcourt.

Yup.

[Cry Havoc]

The fans did fuck it up considering Pachulia was the second leading vote getter for the WC frontcourt.

And he's a massive douchecanoe.

[Trill Clinton]

aldridge better make the team toohttp://i65.tinypic.com/28a2o3p.jpg

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi got the third-most votes from the players in the West, second most from the media.

Third most votes as in overall or frontcourt? Sounds pretty underwheling if you ask him. Player votes or fan votes?

[Cry Havoc]

It's about Alternatives...Love and Millsap are both having terrific seasons fpr a winning team. Millsap is having the best season of his career.

That's fair, although Giannis has been a stat monster and Davis is no slouch at all.

[SupremeGuy]

:claw

[DPG21920]

It's about Alternatives...Love and Millsap are both having terrific seasons fpr a winning team. Millsap is having the best season of his career.

The Greek Freak deserves it for his overall work and growth. Love had a great year but has tailed off. Millsap has been very good as well.

[DPG21920]

LMA had a damn strong push recently, but not sure if he makes it. Spurs deserve to have 2 guys though. Cousins has been a beast overall though.

[TXstbobcat]

Congrats!! Well deserved. :claw

[ace3g]

Kyle Anderson got a player vote.

[Robz4000]

Third most votes as in overall or frontcourt? Sounds pretty underwheling if you ask him. Player votes or fan votes?

Overall. Had the second-most in the FC behind Durbeta.

[Robz4000]

Kyle Anderson got a player vote.

:lol prolly Kawhi

[DPG21920]

Third most votes as in overall or frontcourt? Sounds pretty underwheling if you ask him. Player votes or fan votes?

Player Votes:

Durant: 170
Westbrook: 167
Harden: 149
Kawhi: 119
Anthony Davis: 105
Cousins: 100
Curry: 63
Marc Gasol: 59
Lillard: 33
CJ McCollum: 23

Media:

Durant: 94
Westbrook: 93
Kawhi/Harden: 91
Anthony Davis: 78
Cousins: 11
Curry: 6
Marc Gasol: 5
CP3: 1
Klay: 1

[Ron Swanson]

And he's a massive douchecanoe.

That's an insult to douchecanoes.

[r0drig0lac]

:cry they hate him

[RD2191]

Hopefully lma gets snubbed and plays his ass off in the playoffs.

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi overall vote is not impressive at all. Most likely from international and Non texas resident votes too.

Lol I hate curry, but dude isn't as highly regarded among players. :lol

[timtonymanu]

:lmao fatmelo
:lmao Paul George

[dabom]

Player Votes:

Durant: 170
Westbrook: 167
Harden: 149
Kawhi: 119
Anthony Davis: 105
Cousins: 100
Marc Gasol: 59
Lillard: 33
CJ McCollum: 23

Media:

Durant: 94
Westbrook: 93
Kawhi/Harden: 91
Anthony Davis: 78
Cousins: 11
Marc Gasol: 5
CP3: 1
Klay: 1

Where's stephenie?

[DPG21920]

I really don't think LMA is going to get in.

[DPG21920]

Where's stephenie?

Updated my post. He's way down though.

[bklynspursfan]

Has there ever been a year where the possible MVP (Westbrook) didn't start in the All-Star Game?

Terrible. Curry shouldn't be starting this year

[Trill Clinton]

damn they snubbed kawhi on the player votes.

[dabom]

Updated my post. He's way down though.

6 media votes? :lmao

[apalisoc_9]

damn they snubbed kawhi on the player votes.

Still finished second. Curry has lile 63 player votes.

[DPG21920]

damn they snubbed kawhi on the player votes.

I don't think so. I mean, the only 3 guys ahead of him there are all having MVP seasons. Kawhi is too, but he's probably ranked 4 in MVP voting behind those 3.

Durant has been amazing and plays both ends and his team is the best. Harden has been even better and HOU is much better than anyone thought. Russ is a beast too.

[TXstbobcat]

Spurs have now been represented by a player in 38 of the 40 All-Star Games since San Antonio joined the NBA in 1976 - the most of any team.
:flag:

[Spur|n|Austin]

The fans did fuck it up considering Pachulia was the second leading vote getter for the WC frontcourt.

That would be the biased fans from the country of Georgia.

[FromWayDowntown]

Kyle Anderson got a player vote.

So did Bryn Forbes . . . .

Some of the players didn't appear to take this very seriously or decided to give votes to friends.

The list of players who got at least 1 vote for 1 of only 5 starting spots is fairly absurd:

EAST FRONTCOURT PLAYERS WITH 1 VOTE
Allen, Lavoy -- IND
Bembry, DeAndre' -- ATL
Brown, Jaylen -- BOS
Carroll, DeMarre -- TOR
Felicio, Cristiano -- CHI
Hawes, Spencer -- CHA
Holmes, Richaun -- PHI
Jefferson, Al -- IND
Jefferson, Richard -- CLE
Johnson, Amir -- BOS
Johnson, Stanley -- DET
Kidd-Gilchrist, Michael -- CHA
Kuzminskas, Mindaugas -- NYK
Leuer, Jon -- DET
Luwawu, Timothe -- PHI
McCullough, Chris -- BKN
Mirotic, Nikola -- CHI
Muscala, Mike -- ATL
Nogueira, Lucas -- TOR
Ochefu, Daniel -- WAS
O'Quinn, Kyle -- NYK
Patterson, Patrick -- TOR
Prince, Taurean -- ATL
Rudez, Damjan -- ORL
Saric, Dario -- PHI
Sefolosha, Thabo -- ATL
Smith, Jason -- WAS
Thomas, Lance -- NYK
Winslow, Justise -- MIA
Zeller, Tyler -- BOS

EAST GUARDS WITH ONE VOTE

Delaney, Malcolm -- ATL
Gbinije, Michael -- DET
Green, Gerald -- BOS
Henderson, Gerald -- PHI
Holiday, Justin -- NYK
Korver, Kyle -- ATL
Liggins, DeAndre -- CLE
Payton, Elfrid -- ORL
Rondo, Rajon -- CHI
Satoransky, Tomas -- WAS
Shumpert, Iman -- CLE
Smith, Ish -- DET
Valentine, Denzel -- CHI
Waiters, Dion -- MIA
Whitehead, Isaiah -- BKN
Williams, Mo -- CLE

WEST FRONTCOURT WITH ONE VOTE

Anderson, Alan -- LAC
Arthur, Darrell -- DEN
Asik, Omer -- NOP
Barnes, Matt -- SAC
Bjelica, Nemanja -- MIN
Capela, Clint -- HOU
Cauley-Stein, Willie -- SAC
Chriss, Marquese -- PHX
Cunningham, Dante -- NOP
Davis, Ed -- POR
Dekker, Sam -- HOU
Deng, Luol -- LAL
Diaw, Boris -- UTA
Dieng, Gorgui -- MIN
Green, JaMychal -- MEM
Johnson, Wesley -- LAC
Len, Alex -- PHX
Martin, Jarell -- MEM
Nance, Larry Jr. -- LAL
Papagiannis, Georgios -- SAC
Parsons, Chandler -- MEM
Payne, Adreian -- MIN
Pierce, Paul -- LAC
Robinson, Thomas -- LAL
Speights, Marreese -- LAC
Tucker, P.J. -- PHX

WEST GUARDS WITH ONE VOTE

Abrines, Alex -- OKC
Anderson, Justin -- DAL
Anderson, Kyle -- SAS
Barea, J.J. -- DAL
Beverley, Patrick -- HOU
Carter, Vince -- MEM
Clark, Ian -- GSW
Clarkson, Jordan -- LAL
Collison, Darren -- SAC
Evans, Tyreke -- NOP
Felton, Raymond -- LAC
Forbes, Bryn -- SAS
Huertas, Marcelo -- LAL
Jackson, Pierre -- DAL
Jones, Tyus -- MIN
Livingston, Shaun -- GSW
Lucas, John III -- MIN
Matthews, Wesley -- DAL
McCaw, Patrick -- GSW
McLemore, Ben -- SAC
Miller, Mike -- DEN
Parker, Tony -- SAS
Pondexter, Quincy -- NOP
Russell, D'Angelo -- LAL
Temple, Garrett -- SAC
Turner, Evan -- POR

[Trill Clinton]

Still finished second. Curry has lile 63 player votes.


I don't think so. I mean, the only 3 guys ahead of him there are all having MVP seasons. Kawhi is too, but he's probably ranked 4 in MVP voting behind those 3.

Durant has been amazing and plays both ends and his team is the best. Harden has been even better and HOU is much better than anyone thought. Russ is a beast too.

i agree with you both. there is an argument for all those players you named, d. i don't have any problem with kawhi's overall vote, but i think the player vote should be a closer race. i did hear on the radio that a lot of the top players in the league think kawhi is overrated so that could also be a reason he was 4th in the player vote.

[Joseph Kony]

Cant believe that faggot Wardell is starting but Russ isn't :wow

[HarlemHeat37]

Tony Allen revealed his votes, all his West selections were his teammates:lol

[DPG21920]

i agree with you both. there is an argument for all those players you named, d. i don't have any problem with kawhi's overall vote, but i think the player vote should be a closer race. i did hear on the radio that a lot of the top players in the league think kawhi is overrated so that could also be a reason he was 4th in the player vote.

I got you - ya, Kawhi definitely closer to KD/WB/Harden this year than he is Cousins.

[Joseph Kony]

:lol Parker voting for himself

[100%duncan]

You're welcome fatasses

[BatManu20]

Wut.

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[apalisoc_9]

You're welcome fatasses

:lmao

[dabom]

Wut.

822248941580419072

I'm not gonna lie. It looks shady.

[timtonymanu]

I wonder if coaches pick Porzingis instead of Melo. Would be great to see that cancer Melo cry at being left off the all stars.

[Kawhitstorm]

I'm sure the masses will complain about Curry over Westbrook, but I don't have a problem with it. I'd have went with Paul over both had he stayed healthy though.

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[Spur|n|Austin]

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[SpurPadre]

Kawhi got the third-most votes from the players in the West, second most from the media.

http://www.signandtrade.com/images/nba/headshots_directory/Kevin_Durant.jpg "Don't get why a system player keeps getting so much recognition, tbh."

[FkLA]

:lol Parker voting for himself

:lol

[FkLA]

:claw

[TheGreatYacht]

http://www.signandtrade.com/images/nba/headshots_directory/Kevin_Durant.jpg "Don't get why a system player keeps getting so much recognition, tbh."
Really high IQ tbh

[dabom]

Parker sitting out tonight cause no one voted for him. Fucking diva. :lol

[dabom]

System player cucked him on his way to a championship. :lol

[TheDoctor]

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Hillarious.

Glad Kawhi got so much player and media consideration tho'.

:claw

[Kawhitstorm]

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Bunch of bandwagon noodle dick Asians that voted for Zaza also voted Wardell.:sleep

[BillMc]

The league definitely went full DNC-Bernie on Zaza:lol
:lol

[BillMc]

Now, let's get LMA a backup slot

[loveforthegame]

:tu :claw

[bic50]

Haters not gonna hate. Congrats :claw

[YGWHI]

Leonard becomes the fifth Spurs player in franchise history to be selected as an All-Star starter more than once, joining George Gervin, Alvin Robertson, David Robinson and Tim Duncan
Love to see Kawhi there. Since Ice to David to Tim...to Kawhi.

And we're all so lucky to witness the process :flag:

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_2ThgDDm_o

[spursistan]

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[TD 21]

zWy5hJ0Vx4w

:lmao As if it should be based on one meaningless game.

I wouldn't have had an issue if Westbrook were voted in, but I'm not going to pretend his overrated, stat chasing/padding ass got screwed.

How many triple doubles could James, particularly in his prime, have amassed, had he been chasing it? How many more meaningless regular season points could him, Paul, Duncan, etc., have amassed, had they been concerned with it? Counting stats are meaningless if they aren't amassed organically.


As far as the overall voting, I actually like the way they did it this year, so that the notion that the "players know best" can be put to rest. I know a bunch messed around, but of the ones who took it seriously, look at their selections. The same goes for a lot of the media.

Sure, the actual game is irrelevant, but the selection isn't. It means a lot to most players and it becomes part of their resume. Not that it decides whether someone makes the Hall-of-Fame or not, but it gets referenced when discussing players candidacy, especially fringe ones, so it should be left in the hands of front office executives and coaches.

[BillMc]

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Player's giving LMA a lot more love than Media.

[TXstbobcat]

Player's giving LMA a lot more love than Media.

:lma I hope he gets a reserve spot. But if he get snubbed, I hope he uses that as motivation to go into beastmode in the playoffs.

[apalisoc_9]

:lmao As if it should be based on one meaningless game.

I wouldn't have had an issue if Westbrook were voted in, but I'm not going to pretend his overrated, stat chasing/padding ass got screwed.

How many triple doubles could James, particularly in his prime, have amassed, had he been chasing it? How many more meaningless regular season points could him, Paul, Duncan, etc., have amassed, had they been concerned with it? Counting stats are meaningless if they aren't amassed organically.


As far as the overall voting, I actually like the way they did it this year, so that the notion that the "players know best" can be put to rest. I know a bunch messed around, but of the ones who took it seriously, look at their selections. The same goes for a lot of the media.

Sure, the actual game is irrelevant, but the selection isn't. It means a lot to most players and it becomes part of their resume. Not that it decides whether someone makes the Hall-of-Fame or not, but it gets referenced when discussing players candidacy, especially fringe ones, so it should be left in the hands of front office executives and coaches.

The player voting is almost the same as the media. They're basically just basing their opinions on what they hear from TV :lol

[sasaint]

Player's giving LMA a lot more love than Media.

Media loving KAT much more than the players.

[poeticism707]

:claw:toast

West:
Curry
Harden
Kawhi
Durant
Davis

East:
Irving
DeFr:lolzan
Butler
LeBron
Antetokounmpo

Kawhi is such a fucking beast.

[daslicer]

Media loving KAT much more than the players.

Same thing can be said about Draymond. The media loves Draymond while the players hate him.

[Kawhitstorm]

:lmao As if it should be based on one meaningless game.

It's not just one match up, he outplayed him in BOTH matchups this season & Choke-P also ducked one game where WestBrick had a triple double in 3 quarters. He also destroyed Choke-P last season when he had the first 25 point/20 assist triple double in 20 years.

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I wouldn't have had an issue if Westbrook were voted in, but I'm not going to pretend his overrated, stat chasing/padding ass got screwed.

How many triple doubles could James, particularly in his prime, have amassed, had he been chasing it? How many more meaningless regular season points could him, Paul, Duncan, etc., have amassed, had they been concerned with it? Counting stats are meaningless if they aren't amassed organically.

Game 5 of the 2014 second rd series was the game w/ the highest stake of the WestBrick/Choke-P matchup, let's examine who organically amassed counting stats in a meaningful game:

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As far as the overall voting, I actually like the way they did it this year, so that the notion that the "players know best" can be put to rest. I know a bunch messed around, but of the ones who took it seriously, look at their selections. The same goes for a lot of the media.

Sure, the actual game is irrelevant, but the selection isn't. It means a lot to most players and it becomes part of their resume. Not that it decides whether someone makes the Hall-of-Fame or not, but it gets referenced when discussing players candidacy, especially fringe ones, so it should be left in the hands of front office executives and coaches.

The Cripples have been competitive w/o Choke-P & Blake, thrown in a HEALTHY Blake & you can't make a case for Choke-P being the MVP when Blake had the BEST on/off number on the team. Meanwhile WestBrick is on pace to shatter the all-time VORP/BPM record set by Jordan/LeBron & the team is absolute shyt w/o him.

Besides, Doc had Moute guarding WestBrick b/c Choke-P doesn't want any part of him but he's supposedly the best defender at his position:lmao

Choke-P is cute when he's running a PnR w/ DeAndre or Blake while ReDick is on the strong side occupying the help defender otherwise he can't get to the rim & his old ass would Mike Conley status if you put him on OKC.

[poeticism707]

:lol Parker voting for himself

:rollin :rollin :rollin

[TheDoctor]

ESPN:
With last night 34pts effort, Kawhi has now tallied 74 consecutive double-digit scoring outings,
the longest streak in franchise history since Tim Duncan accomplished the feat in 75 straight
contests in the 2004-05 campaign.

[quentin_compson]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Zaza love from the Fans. Was that trolling? Stupidity? The guy has been one of the dirtier players in the league ever since he entered it. And he is not exactly a stud as a basketball player on NBA terms. So is that what casual fans want to see? Or is just a whole lot of fans trying to be "funny" in voting for the least deserving S5 guy on the best team?
I get that it doesn't matter, but seriously? Pachulia??

[timtonymanu]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Zaza love from the Fans. Was that trolling? Stupidity? The guy has been one of the dirtier players in the league ever since he entered it. And he is not exactly a stud as a basketball player on NBA terms. So is that what casual fans want to see? Or is just a whole lot of fans trying to be "funny" in voting for the least deserving S5 guy on the best team?
I get that it doesn't matter, but seriously? Pachulia??

Georgia votes and the fact that he plays for the Warriors now. The top 6 Warriors made the top 10 in votes for their positions.

[timtonymanu]

Pretty amazing that Manu made top 10 in guard votes. I guess he has a better fan base than Parker worldwide.

[TheDoctor]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Zaza love from the Fans. Was that trolling? Stupidity? The guy has been one of the dirtier players in the league ever since he entered it. And he is not exactly a stud as a basketball player on NBA terms. So is that what casual fans want to see? Or is just a whole lot of fans trying to be "funny" in voting for the least deserving S5 guy on the best team?
I get that it doesn't matter, but seriously? Pachulia??

Contrary to San Antonio, Georgia has faithful and committed fans tbh

[ElNono]

Pretty amazing that Manu made top 10 in guard votes. I guess he has a better fan base than Parker worldwide.

At 39 he's also the better player, person and teammate, tbh...

[TD 21]

The player voting is almost the same as the media. They're basically just basing their opinions on what they hear from TV :lol

Yeah, they're terrible.

TNT's picks were even worse. I know they're more entertainers than legit analysts and don't watch much or utilize advanced stats, but still. They've been around organized basketball and involved, either through playing or analyzing the NBA, for over a quarter century, yet the things they value are laughable and so is their overall knowledge.

The fact that only a few had Lowry, none had Aldridge until Smith picked him as Paul's injury replacement and Barkley had Bledsoe! (after claiming he values winning), is ridiculous. Honestly, the network should be embarrassed.



It's not just one match up, he outplayed him in BOTH matchups this season & Choke-P also ducked one game where WestBrick had a triple double in 3 quarters. He also destroyed Choke-P last season when he had the first 25 point/20 assist triple double in 20 years.





Game 5 of the 2014 second rd series was the game w/ the highest stake of the WestBrick/Choke-P matchup, let's examine who organically amassed counting stats in a meaningful game:




The Cripples have been competitive w/o Choke-P & Blake, thrown in a HEALTHY Blake & you can't make a case for Choke-P being the MVP when Blake had the BEST on/off number on the team. Meanwhile WestBrick is on pace to shatter the all-time VORP/BPM record set by Jordan/LeBron & the team is absolute shyt w/o him.

Besides, Doc had Moute guarding WestBrick b/c Choke-P doesn't want any part of him but he's supposedly the best defender at his position:lmao

Choke-P is cute when he's running a PnR w/ DeAndre or Blake while ReDick is on the strong side occupying the help defender otherwise he can't get to the rim & his old ass would Mike Conley status if you put him on OKC.

You're so predictable; I knew this was coming.

Again, who cares? Prime Parker and Williams used to destroy Paul, so did that make them better too? Of course the far physically superior Westbrook, who's younger and up until this season, had less of an offensive load, was going to get the better of an aging Paul. He's still a stat chasing/padding, low IQ player and Paul is still a basketball savant, who was having a ridiculous season, with a roster that sans Griffin isn't all that impressive. Paul has become something like the Duncan of PG's: consistently elite and constantly underrated because he's not athletic, flashy (to the casuals) and his averages aren't eye popping.

Of course the Thunder fall apart without Westbrook, the only two other NBA caliber players they have that can dribble, have both missed significant time and even with them, they're not very good. That's more a reflection of the team than him though.

[apalisoc_9]

Yeah, they're terrible.

TNT's picks were even worse. I know they're more entertainers than legit analysts and don't watch much or utilize advanced stats, but still. They've been around organized basketball and involved, either through playing or analyzing the NBA, for over a quarter century, yet the things they value are laughable and so is their overall knowledge.

The fact that only a few had Lowry, none had Aldridge until Smith picked him as Paul's injury replacement and Barkley had Bledsoe! (after claiming he values winning), is ridiculous. Honestly, the network should be embarrassed.




You're so predictable; I knew this was coming.

Again, who cares? Prime Parker and Williams used to destroy Paul, so did that make them better too? Of course the far physically superior Westbrook, who's younger and up until this season, had less of an offensive load, was going to get the better of an aging Paul. He's still a stat chasing/padding, low IQ player and Paul is still a basketball savant, who was having a ridiculous season, with a roster that sans Griffin isn't all that impressive. Paul has become something like the Duncan of PG's: consistently elite and constantly underrated because he's not athletic, flashy (to the casuals) and his averages aren't eye popping.

Of course the Thunder fall apart without Westbrook, the only two other NBA caliber players they have that can dribble, have both missed significant time and even with them, they're not very good. That's more a reflection of the team than him though.

Kawhi won DPOY from the players last year too and will likely continue to win it since every player hates Draymond. He's going to continue getting those from the players maybe deservingly so..but yeah. players generally just based their opinion on mainstream things.

[Kawhitstorm]

Yeah, they're terrible.

TNT's picks were even worse. I know they're more entertainers than legit analysts and don't watch much or utilize advanced stats, but still. They've been around organized basketball and involved, either through playing or analyzing the NBA, for over a quarter century, yet the things they value are laughable and so is their overall knowledge.

The fact that only a few had Lowry, none had Aldridge until Smith picked him as Paul's injury replacement and Barkley had Bledsoe! (after claiming he values winning), is ridiculous. Honestly, the network should be embarrassed.




You're so predictable; I knew this was coming.

Again, who cares? Prime Parker and Williams used to destroy Paul, so did that make them better too? Of course the far physically superior Westbrook, who's younger and up until this season, had less of an offensive load, was going to get the better of an aging Paul. He's still a stat chasing/padding, low IQ player and Paul is still a basketball savant, who was having a ridiculous season, with a roster that sans Griffin isn't all that impressive. Paul has become something like the Duncan of PG's: consistently elite and constantly underrated because he's not athletic, flashy (to the casuals) and his averages aren't eye popping.

Of course the Thunder fall apart without Westbrook, the only two other NBA caliber players they have that can dribble, have both missed significant time and even with them, they're not very good. That's more a reflection of the team than him though.

Oh so Kidd deserved the MVP over Iverson in 2001 b/c one of them was a "savant" while the other one was a "low IQ stat padder":lmao

[TD 21]

Oh so Kidd deserved the MVP over Iverson in 2001 b/c one of them was a "savant" while the other one was a "low IQ stat padder":lmao

Neither of them deserved an MVP ever.

[Kawhitstorm]

Neither of them deserved an MVP ever.

Both of them led their teams to the Finals too.:toast

Kidd destroyed Billups in 2003 (the same Billups that destroyed PEAK Choke-P3 in 2009) & Iverson outplayed Kirby despite playing 1-on-5.

It's pretty obvious you are one of those "purist" that are infatuated by Choke-P3's lack of killer instinct & frown on anyone who tries to take the game by the throat. Isiah Thomas was a pure PG but he knew when it was money time, it's not mutually exclusive.

[dbreiden83080]

I literally can't believe just how good Leonard is. That the Spurs are this blessed to have him in the post Duncan era.. It's amazing.

[TD 21]

Both of them led their teams to the Finals too.:toast

Kidd destroyed Billups in 2003 (the same Billups that destroyed PEAK Choke-P3 in 2009) & Iverson outplayed Kirby despite playing 1-on-5.

It's pretty obvious you are one of those "purist" that are infatuated by Choke-P3's lack of killer instinct & frown on anyone who tries to take the game by the throat. Isiah Thomas was a pure PG but he knew when it was money time, it's not mutually exclusive.

I'm a fan of high IQ types, that play with no agenda.

:lmao "Killer instinct" . . . pure nonsense. Paul is about as competitive as they come and he's traditionally stepped his game up in the playoffs. There's only so much a player that small, who's not overly explosive and has had somewhat limited teams and little luck, can do though.

[Kawhitstorm]

I'm a fan of high IQ types, that play with no agenda.

:lmao "Killer instinct" . . . pure nonsense. Paul is about as competitive as they come and he's traditionally stepped his game up in the playoffs. There's only so much a player that small, who's not overly explosive and has had somewhat limited teams and little luck, can do though.

There are guys w/ "killer instinct" & then there are guys w/ a Napoleon complex who bark louder than they bite. WestBrick would have destroyed Prigioni & Jason Terry rather than dribbling the air out of the ball then taking bail out shots every time down the floor when the Rockets were doubling Blake.