Best player in the league each year since 2000

[AlexJones]

Go

2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Shaq
2003: TD
2004: TD
2005: TD
2006: Dirk
2007-14: LeBron
2015-16(midseason): Curry
2016(playoffs)-17: LeBron

[Clipper Nation]

2000-2006: Tim Duncan
2006-present: LeGOAT

[Medvedenko]

Stupid thread as per the usual. No one cares about TD.

[Kawhitstorm]

Go

2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Shaq
2003: TD
2004: TD
2005: TD
2006: Dirk
2007-14: LeBron
2015-16(midseason): Curry
2016(playoffs)-17: LeBron

Tim was better than Shaq/Dork in '02/'06 & proved it by outplaying them H2H in the postseason.....his teammates let him down.

[FkLA]

Dirk was never the best player on the planet. Let's be real. That's like saying Rose was the best in 2011.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

The Correct List:

2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Shaq
2003: Kobe
2004: Garnett
2005: Nash
2006: Kobe
2007: Nash/Dirk tie
2008: Kobe
2009: Kobe
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: LeBron
2015: LeBron
2016: Curry/LeBron tie
2017: ???? Jury still out (Harden, LeBron, Westbrook all up there)

[DAF86]

2000/2002 - Shaq
2003/2007 -Duncan
2008/now-Lebron

[AchillesHeel]

Flawless execution

Laker fans mad

2000-13 - Duncan

2013-now KD

[dbreiden83080]

Skip Bayless thinks It's still Michael Jordan.

[Ice009]

The Correct List:

2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Shaq
2003: Kobe
2004: Garnett
2005: Nash
2006: Kobe
2007: Nash/Dirk tie
2008: Kobe
2009: Kobe
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: LeBron
2015: LeBron
2016: Curry/LeBron tie
2017: ???? Jury still out (Harden, LeBron, Westbrook all up there)

That list is retarded.

[Ice009]

2000/2002 - Shaq
2003/2007 -Duncan
2008/now-Lebron

Shaq was only better than TD in 2001, maybe 2000, but that's it. TD was the MVP in 2002, Shaq was never better than him from that point on.

[dbreiden83080]

That list is retarded.

I remember right after the Spurs won the title in 2003, Tim Legler was on ESPN saying Kobe is the best player in the league and not Tim. Mind you Spurs beat the Lakers in the playoffs that year.. Haters just hate..

[DAF86]

Shaq was only better than TD in 2001, maybe 2000, but that's it. TD was the MVP in 2002, Shaq was never better than him from that point on.

You might be right, I just gave '02 to Shaq 'cause the Lakers won the trophy that year. Same with '07 and Duncan, many would argue that Lebron was already better than Tim by that year and they might be right. I just gave the benefit of the doubt to the champions.

Despite these minor differences I think we can all agree that "the best player in the World" title in these years went through the hands of these three guys, nobody else.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

That list is retarded.

Then what would yours be? Honestly. I actually lived during those years and have vivid NBA memories from each one. My list is damn near perfect if not so.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Shaq was only better than TD in 2001, maybe 2000, but that's it. TD was the MVP in 2002, Shaq was never better than him from that point on.
Did you even watch the Lakers back then? From 2000-2002, Shaq was the closest thing the NBA ever has had to a deus-ex-machina, or a Mon-Star from Space Jam. His only weakness was, if you fouled him in time, he might miss a free throw or two, but you're getting in serious foul trouble that way. If you didn't foul him, it was an automatic dunk and often a third point from the foul line.

TD was the MVP in 2002 because of the rise of Kobe taking a lot of oomph away from the Shaq argument, even though Shaq was still more important than Kobe in 2002, it wasn't by as big of a margin as in 2000 or 2001. These were dark, dark days for the Spurs if you don't remember. Oh, the inevitability of our season ending in getting our ass whooped every year by the buzzsaw of Shaq, Kobe, Phil, the refs, and all of their annoying ass role players that always seemed to make every fucking shot against us (George, Fisher, Horry, Shaw, Fox, etc).

TD deserved MVP in 2002 because he carried a team full of broken down old players we'd had for a long time, a sadly broken down D-Rob who was basically 2010/2011 McDyess at that point in his career, and a rookie TP who couldn't shoot and couldn't stop turning the ball over to save his life.

Our fortunes didn't finally change until the 2002-03 season when the Spurs revamped and revitalized the roster, and it was obvious by December-January that these weren't going to be the same championship Lakers. Shaq was oft injured, many of the role players became washed up and oft injured, they were giving starter minutes to guys like Jannero Pargo, Mark Madsen and Kareem Rush at the end of the bench, and the team overall just had an "I'm bored of fighting hard all year to win every year" aura about it. But not Kobe. Kobe was the best player in the NBA in 2003 and it was painfully obvious. Remember that insane, 20-something game long streak of 40+ point games that year around February-March that got the Lakers out of the dungeon of the West and up to 50 wins and the 5th seed? Yeah... that Kobe was pretty fucking awesome to see, even if he was a ballhog and a douche.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

You might be right, I just gave '02 to Shaq 'cause the Lakers won the trophy that year. Same with '07 and Duncan, many would argue that Lebron was already better than Tim by that year and they might be right. I just gave the benefit of the doubt to the champions.

Despite these minor differences I think we can all agree that "the best player in the World" title in these years went through the hands of these three guys, nobody else.
I'm sorry but you've got to be drinking too much liquor if you honestly believe he was the best in either 2006 or 2007... even 2005 it's hard to make a case for it, even though Kobe was down and out and Lebron was too young. Duncan wasn't even the best player on his own team in 2007, and he certainly wasn't top 5 in the NBA then... how good is your memory? That year was dominated by Nash and Dirk, those two just tore up the league. Elsewhere you have Kobe and Lebron up there in the top 5, Parker was the best Spur (TD > Manu though, Manu was hurt a bit that year) and you have to put McGrady over Parker in a year like that.

[DAF86]

I'm sorry but you've got to be drinking too much liquor if you honestly believe he was the best in either 2006 or 2007... even 2005 it's hard to make a case for it, even though Kobe was down and out and Lebron was too young. Duncan wasn't even the best player on his own team in 2007, and he certainly wasn't top 5 in the NBA then... how good is your memory? That year was dominated by Nash and Dirk, those two just tore up the league. Elsewhere you have Kobe and Lebron up there in the top 5, Parker was the best Spur (TD > Manu though, Manu was hurt a bit that year) and you have to put McGrady over Parker in a year like that.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

And this fucking guy calls hinself a Spurs fan?

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Holy shit :lmao:lmao

[Leetonidas]

2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2005: Duncan
2006: Kobe
2007-2015: LeBron
2016: Curry
2017: Kawhi

[UNT Eagles 2016]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

And this fucking guy calls hinself a Spurs fan?

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Holy shit :lmao:lmao
4 down is so inefficient and why we struggled to score so much until Pop let Tony and Manu run the motion offense, drive and dish game more often.

Even in the playoffs, Duncan was awesome at times, taken out of the game others.

[BD24]

That list is retarded.
Mason isn't very good at the whole basketball think, not an area of expertise for his dad.

[Down Under]

2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Shaq
2003: Duncan
2004: Duncan
2005: Duncan
2006: Duncan
2007: Kobe
2008: Kobe
2009: Kobe
2010: LeBron
2011: LeBron
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: LeBron
2015: LeBron
2016: Curry

[Clipper Nation]

2000-13 - Duncan

2013-now KD

One of the most retarded posts I have ever seen.

[Clipper Nation]

2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Shaq
2003: Duncan
2004: Duncan
2005: Duncan
2006: Duncan
2007: Kobe
2008: Kobe
2009: Kobe
2010: LeBron
2011: LeBron
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: LeBron
2015: LeBron
2016: Curry

:lmao

[lefty]

Adam Morrison led the Lakers to B2B titles tbh

[Kawhitstorm]

You might be right, I just gave '02 to Shaq 'cause the Lakers won the trophy that year. Same with '07 and Duncan, many would argue that Lebron was already better than Tim by that year and they might be right. I just gave the benefit of the doubt to the champions..

Tim averaged 29/17/5/3 (Game-score: 23) while Snack averaged 21/12/3/3 (Game-score: 16) & only shot :lol44%:lol while living in the paint. Spurs were leading in the 4th quarter of every game in the 2002 series & lost b/c Kirby was the Lakers closer while :lolAntonio Daniels:lol was Tim's wing-man.

LeBron in the 2007 Finals averaged 22/7/7 on a horrific 35% shooting & had a game-score of 10 (Net rating: :lol-19:lol) while Tim averaged 18/12/4 w/ a game-score of 15. LeBron took advantage of an aging Pistons squad that no longer hand Ben Wallace in the middle while Tim annihilated the Suns who were favored to win it all after the Mavs choked in the 1st rd. People also forget that Antwan Jamison gave LeBron the business in the 1st rd & the Wizard might have beaten the Cavs if Arenas didn't get injured.

[Kawhitstorm]

2004: Garnett


Yeah, folks don't give KG credit for this '03-'04 season where he was basically Giannis on steroids.:lol

If Cassell didn't get injured, the Wolves might have beaten the Lakers where KG was playing backup PG.

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He was also a man possessed in Gm 7 against the Kings:

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[Kidd K]

Duncan was better than Shaq since 2002 easily imo. I realize you're just rewarding Shaq cuz he won that year, but Duncan was superior to him for sure.

[Kidd K]

The Correct List:

2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Shaq
2003: Kobe
2004: Garnett
2005: Nash
2006: Kobe
2007: Nash/Dirk tie
2008: Kobe
2009: Kobe
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: LeBron
2015: LeBron
2016: Curry/LeBron tie
2017: ???? Jury still out (Harden, LeBron, Westbrook all up there)

Sorry it was hard to understand you with Kobe's dick lodged in your throat while you were stabbing that poster of Duncan that you drew devil horns and a Hitler mustache on.

[Ice009]

2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Shaq
2003: Duncan
2004: Duncan
2005: Duncan
2006: Duncan
2007: Kobe
2008: Kobe
2009: Kobe
2010: LeBron
2011: LeBron
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: LeBron
2015: LeBron
2016: Curry

This list is close to what I'd say. 1999 was also Duncan before Shaq got motivated for those couple of seasons. 2007 I would also give to TD.

2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett/Duncan (I'll give props to KG for his regular season, but the Spurs should have had the first seed as the Wolves won a game on a completely bogus offensive foul giving them the first seed)
2005: Duncan
2006: Duncan (Had plantar fasciitis most of the season, but completely dominated in the playoffs despite it. Was easily the best player over everyone that season)
2007: Duncan (Parker won finals MVP, but Duncan was easily the playoffs MVP over everyone else)
2008: Kobe
2009: Kobe/Lebron
2010: Lebron
2011: Lebron
2012: Lebron
2013: Lebron
2014: Lebron
2015: Lebron
2016: Curry (regular season only) Lebron (playoffs)

[ambchang]

00-01 Shaq
02-03 Duncan
04- Garnett
05 - Garnett/Dirk (could have been Duncan but he was hurt too much)
06-07 Dirk (really low point in terms of best player in the league. Others that could make an argument includes Lebron, Chauncey and Kobe)
08 to 15 Lebron
16- Curry

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Sorry it was hard to understand you with Kobe's dick lodged in your throat while you were stabbing that poster of Duncan that you drew devil horns and a Hitler mustache on.

Duncan was never the best player except maybe you can argue 2003, especially if you factor in the playoffs and Finals, but Kobe was just surreal that year.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Anyone who says Duncan for 2007 needs to give up sports forever or stop being such a blind homer. Most of his buckets were spoon fed by then and he was CLEARLY in major decline by then after the plantar fascia season. He wasn't even a top 10 MVP candidate that year. :lmao

[ambchang]

Duncan was never the best player except maybe you can argue 2003, especially if you factor in the playoffs and Finals, but Kobe was just surreal that year.

Come up with a less retarded angle to troll.

[Phillip]

lebron has been the best in the league since his game 5 massacre of detroit in 2007

:lol steph was never the best, just the most popular

2000-2002: Shaq
2003-2007: Timmy
2008-present: Lebron

[UNT Eagles 2016]

lebron has been the best in the league since his game 5 massacre of detroit in 2007

:lol steph was never the best, just the most popular

2000-2002: Shaq
2003-2007: Timmy
2008-present: Lebron
Did you even watch the NBA or even ESPN from 2004-2010 or did you only watch Spurs games? And how can you say there was never a period, especially in 2006 and the late 2000s, where Kobe was the best, even though ESPN/TNT/the rest of the media and the league unanimously agreed that Kobe was second to none the best player in the NBA during a lot of those stretches?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Come up with a less retarded angle to troll.

Can't handle objectivism, so call the messenger a troll in the name of favoritism. Nice try. :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Anyone who says Duncan for 2007 needs to give up sports forever or stop being such a blind homer. Most of his buckets were spoon fed by then and he was CLEARLY in major decline by then after the plantar fascia season. He wasn't even a top 10 MVP candidate that year. :lmao
Duncan was still the alpha of the Spurs in '07, but you're pretty much right. LeBron officially became the best player in the league in 2006. He deserved the MVP that year but got robbed by all the old white sportswriters who voted for Steve Trash on skin color alone.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Anyone who says Duncan for 2007 needs to give up sports forever or stop being such a blind homer. Most of his buckets were spoon fed by then and he was CLEARLY in major decline by then after the plantar fascia season. He wasn't even a top 10 MVP candidate that year. :lmao
It's refreshing to see some objectivity, kudos to you and I enjoy reading your posts.

[StrengthAndHonor]

I think Wade also had a place there. 2006 was Wade's year who flew under the radar.

[ambchang]

Can't handle objectivism, so call the messenger a troll in the name of favoritism. Nice try. :lol

Where's the objectivism? You came up with anything other than your opinion?

[Ice009]

Anyone who says Duncan for 2007 needs to give up sports forever or stop being such a blind homer. Most of his buckets were spoon fed by then and he was CLEARLY in major decline by then after the plantar fascia season. He wasn't even a top 10 MVP candidate that year. :lmao

Spoon fed? You're a FUCKING TROLL. You claim you watched basketball those years? I think you were too busy watching someone's dick go into your mouth.

Did you not watch the playoffs??????????? DUNCAN WAS DOMINANT. All the toughest series, he was the guy that was the MVP. Parker was only the finals MVP because he had the favorable match-up.

Game 5 in Phoenix, when we were down 20 points and on the verge of getting blown out with the Phoenix crowd out for blood in a very hostile area, it was TD that scored something like 14 points in a row to start the 3rd quarter with Kurt Thomas guarding him (Suns' best big man defender). Spoon fed my ass. You're either a troll or yet another twat that underrates TD.

TD didn't start his decline until the 2009 season. 2008, he was still top 5, maybe 4th or 5th, but no, troll, he was still great in 2007.

I also take both playoffs and regular season into consideration when picking best player of the year. If you just want to list the regular season, then I don't give a shit about those lists. I take both into consideration. You can't have a great regular season and completely shit the bed in the playoffs like Dirk did in 2007 and expect me to say you were the best player that season. Sorry, I won't acknowledge players like that. I also put more weight into a great playoff run than a great regular season with an average playoff performance/s.

Also, don't bother replying because I don't give a shit what you've got to say from this point on. Enjoy those Dallas Cowboys that you said shit all over the Spurs earlier in the year.

[Ice009]

Duncan was still the alpha of the Spurs in '07, but you're pretty much right. LeBron officially became the best player in the league in 2006. He deserved the MVP that year but got robbed by all the old white sportswriters who voted for Steve Trash on skin color alone.

I disagree. Lebron became the best player in 2008. He wasn't quite there before then.

[Spur|n|Austin]

UNT is a college kid but says he knows basketball from early-mid 2000's :lol dude you were in elementary/middle school fuckboy.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

UNT is a college kid but says he knows basketball from early-mid 2000's :lol dude you were in elementary/middle school fuckboy.

I was only in elementary school one semester, the 2002 part of the 2002-03 schoolyear. I told my mom I wanted to try third grade. I vividly remember skipping school the Monday before Thanksgiving (Northside ISD didn't give kids/teachers the whole week off back then) after crying all night because we lost a home game to the Sonics after being up like 20 in the 4th quarter. I think it was one Brent Barry who sank us that time, too.

Elementary school just wasn't for me, due to social (not academic) reasons. I was smart, white, short and skinny in a school of dumb, bigger Hispanic kids (a few blacks). I was home "schooled" the rest of the way up until 8th grade. My "education" consisted of freelance fiction reading, web surfing, computer/video games, chat rooms, basketball and football (both watching and playing), and posting on message boards.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Spoon fed? You're a FUCKING TROLL. You claim you watched basketball those years? I think you were too busy watching someone's dick go into your mouth.

Did you not watch the playoffs??????????? DUNCAN WAS DOMINANT. All the toughest series, he was the guy that was the MVP. Parker was only the finals MVP because he had the favorable match-up.

Game 5 in Phoenix, when we were down 20 points and on the verge of getting blown out with the Phoenix crowd out for blood in a very hostile area, it was TD that scored something like 14 points in a row to start the 3rd quarter with Kurt Thomas guarding him (Suns' best big man defender). Spoon fed my ass. You're either a troll or yet another twat that underrates TD.

TD didn't start his decline until the 2009 season. 2008, he was still top 5, maybe 4th or 5th, but no, troll, he was still great in 2007.

I also take both playoffs and regular season into consideration when picking best player of the year. If you just want to list the regular season, then I don't give a shit about those lists. I take both into consideration. You can't have a great regular season and completely shit the bed in the playoffs like Dirk did in 2007 and expect me to say you were the best player that season. Sorry, I won't acknowledge players like that. I also put more weight into a great playoff run than a great regular season with an average playoff performance/s.

Also, don't bother replying because I don't give a shit what you've got to say from this point on. Enjoy those Dallas Cowboys that you said shit all over the Spurs earlier in the year.
Tony was better than Duncan in every playoff series that year.

Overall, 2007:

1) Nash
2) Dirk
3) Kobe
4) LeBron
5) Wade
6) Arenas
7) Davis
8) McGrady
9) Parker
10) Bosh
11) Melo
12) Duncan
13) D. Williams
14) Stoudemire
15) Boozer
16) Iverson
17) Billups
18) D. Howard
19) Carter
20) Yao

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Duncan had the most help out of any team in the league apart from maybe Detroit, in 2007... who did the guys I listed above him have? Furthermore, how many game winning shots or even ATTEMPTS did Duncan have in 2007? Let's not confuse 2007 and 2003, please.

Duncan had the best perimeter defender and defense in the league, the best bench in the league, a top 5 PG, and a top 5 SG. And arguably the best system in sports.

[ambchang]

Tony was better than Duncan in every playoff series that year.

Overall, 2007:

1) Nash
2) Dirk
3) Kobe
4) LeBron
5) Wade
6) Arenas
7) Davis
8) McGrady
9) Parker
10) Bosh
11) Melo
12) Duncan
13) D. Williams
14) Stoudemire
15) Boozer
16) Iverson
17) Billups
18) D. Howard
19) Carter
20) Yao


Duncan had the most help out of any team in the league apart from maybe Detroit, in 2007... who did the guys I listed above him have? Furthermore, how many game winning shots or even ATTEMPTS did Duncan have in 2007? Let's not confuse 2007 and 2003, please.

Duncan had the best perimeter defender and defense in the league, the best bench in the league, a top 5 PG, and a top 5 SG. And arguably the best system in sports.

Do you know what objective means?

[UZER]

Stupid thread as per the usual. No one cares about TD.

Oh, well look who's still posting on Spurstalk.

[Arcadian]

This list is close to what I'd say. 1999 was also Duncan before Shaq got motivated for those couple of seasons. 2007 I would also give to TD.

2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett/Duncan (I'll give props to KG for his regular season, but the Spurs should have had the first seed as the Wolves won a game on a completely bogus offensive foul giving them the first seed)
2005: Duncan
2006: Duncan (Had plantar fasciitis most of the season, but completely dominated in the playoffs despite it. Was easily the best player over everyone that season)
2007: Duncan (Parker won finals MVP, but Duncan was easily the playoffs MVP over everyone else)
2008: Kobe
2009: Kobe/Lebron
2010: Lebron
2011: Lebron
2012: Lebron
2013: Lebron
2014: Lebron
2015: Lebron
2016: Curry (regular season only) Lebron (playoffs)

Exactly, Duncan was the best player on the planet in 99 and 02-07. Sad to see him underrated by spurs fans of all people.

And that's not homerism. Duncan is a top 5 player all time for a reason. He was his generation's Lebron. He passed the torch to Lebron in 07 (despite beating him in the finals)...and he still tried to take it back in 13 (putting on an MVP performance in game 6).

[UNT Eagles 2016]

and he still tried to take it back in 13 (putting on an MVP performance in game 6).

30 points in the first half and virtually zero in the second half is an MVP performance? :lol homerism

[Arcadian]

30 points in the first half and virtually zero in the second half is an MVP performance? :lol homerism

He would have been Finals MVP had the Spurs won (i.e. had Pop left him in the game to grab the title-clinching rebound).

Finals MVP level at ages 21 and 37. One of a kind.

[-21-]

2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Shaq/Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Duncan/Garnett
2005: Duncan
2006: Duncan/Kobe
2007: Kobe/LeBron
2008: LeBron
2009: LeBron
2010: LeBron
2011: LeBron
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: LeBron
2015: LeBron
2016: LeBron/Curry

[j-money24]

That list is retarded.


You're retarded.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

He would have been Finals MVP had the Spurs won (i.e. had Pop left him in the game to grab the title-clinching rebound).

Finals MVP level at ages 21 and 37. One of a kind.
It would have been VERY close between TP and Duncan. I was sure Duncan was going to get FMVP at halftime, though. He had 30 and 10 at halftime. Why didn't we force feed him the entire second half? In the first half he was anally owning Chris Anderson, Bosh, Battier and whoever else they tried to guard him with.

But Duncan had what... 4 points and 4 rebounds in the second half and overtime combined? That's the definition of an all-time clutch performer... UMM... :lol and then the epic game 7 miss that will always define his career

[Thebesteva]

Dudes arguing over who the greatest is between Kobe V Duncan V Lebron like the way religious fucktards argue over which god is the real god. I hope you all befriend JR Smith and go for a ride on the town.

[Arcadian]

and then the epic game 7 miss that will always define his career

Bullshit. For a player THAT accomplished with so many epic moments and clutch performances, why would one bad play define his career? :lol Only an irrational hater would say something like that (or someone who primarily watched him post-prime).

I won't try to make excuses for his second half lack of continued dominance, but there was already one in your post...gameplan had something to do with it. And he was fucking 37 years old, so you give him a break at that point. If a 30-10 first half from a 37-year-old isn't enough to secure a win, your team has bigger problems.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Bullshit. For a player THAT accomplished with so many epic moments and clutch performances, why would one bad play define his career? :lol Only an irrational hater would say something like that (or someone who primarily watched him post-prime).

I won't try to make excuses for his second half lack of continued dominance, but there was already one in your post...gameplan had something to do with it. And he was fucking 37 years old, so you give him a break at that point. If a 30-10 first half from a 37-year-old isn't enough to secure a win, your team has bigger problems.
Nobody is a legend because they had an all-time great first half in the Finals. It's the 4th quarter that matters...

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I'd say Duncan gets too much praise for his tranquil, nice-guy act, while Kobe gets too much popular hatred for "raping" a skank who clearly had emotional problems and wanted money...

[ambchang]

Nobody is a legend because they had an all-time great first half in the Finals. It's the 4th quarter that matters...

You mean like game 7 of the Detroit series when Duncan put the Spurs on his back? Or the entire 03 run? Or the entire 99 run?

But let's judge a player at 37 years old. Lebron actually suck because of the 11 series. When did Kobe had a good finals? Orlando was barely average for a superstar. Jordan's wizard years, magic post hiv, bird with bad back. Yeah, let's s judge the players at their worst. Retard.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

You mean like game 7 of the Detroit series when Duncan put the Spurs on his back? Or the entire 03 run? Or the entire 99 run?

But let's judge a player at 37 years old. Lebron actually suck because of the 11 series. When did Kobe had a good finals? Orlando was barely average for a superstar. Jordan's wizard years, magic post hiv, bird with bad back. Yeah, let's s judge the players at their worst. Retard.
Bird, Jordan and Kobe each were world dominator status for a lot longer than Duncan.

[ambchang]

Bird, Jordan and Kobe each were world dominator status for a lot longer than Duncan.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

And moving goal post again.

It was: 4th quarter of finals only, and only when they sucked.

Now: totally subjective criteria with nothing to back up.

Neither Bird nor Kobe ever got the advanced stats Duncan had but they were bigger dominators. :cry.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao People putting rookie Lebron at best.

[Kawhitstorm]

Bird, Jordan and Kobe each were world dominator status for a lot longer than Duncan.

Just like the vibrator dominating you booty hole.:wakeup

[-21-]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

And moving goal post again.

It was: 4th quarter of finals only, and only when they sucked.

Now: totally subjective criteria with nothing to back up.

Neither Bird nor Kobe ever got the advanced stats Duncan had but they were bigger dominators. :cry.

You don't even need advanced stats to see Duncan's superiority. Just based on the eye test, watching the Spurs offense of just dumping the ball to him in the post while anchoring the league's top defense at the same time is enough evidence to conclude that Tim was better.

[HarlemHeat37]

2000-2002: Shaq
2003: Duncan
2004: KG
2005: ???(KG didn't make the playoffs, Duncan's feet issues, Shaq was on the decline)
2006: Wade
2007-14: LeBron
2015: Curry
2016: LeBron
2017: Dominos

[apalisoc_9]

2000-2001 Shaq
2002-2006 Duncan
2007-2016 Lebron
2017 - ? One of the three SFs in the league. None of them will win MVP despite having the best records in the league due to narrative and circumstances, but one of them is going to take it by year ends.

Kawhi might be too young though. Hopefully, not Durant...fuck that bitch as nigga.

[Cry Havoc]

UNT with some of the worst takes in Spurstalk history in this thread.


Duncan's 2003 season is one of the top 5 seasons by any player in NBA history. He led a team of run downs and nobodies that would have been a 30 win team without him to an NBA title in dominant fashion.

[ambchang]

You don't even need advanced stats to see Duncan's superiority. Just based on the eye test, watching the Spurs offense of just dumping the ball to him in the post while anchoring the league's top defense at the same time is enough evidence to conclude that Tim was better.

@dsf was asking for objective measures, so I just pulled up advanced stats as an example.

But since you are on it, let's state some #s:
Duncan led the league in ws twice, OWS once, DWS 5 times, DBPM once, BPM once and VORP once.

In the playoffs, he led the league in PER twice, DRB% once, BLK% once, OWS twice, DWS and DBPM once, WS twice, WS/48 once, BPM and VORP twice.

Kobe led the league in usage rate 3 thrice (can you say chucker?). In the playoffs, he led it in WS once (not ws/48)

Larry Bird fared much better. OWS once, DWS 4 times, WS and WS/48 twice, BPM and VORP four times (and in a row, very impressive).

In the playoffs: OWS twice, DWS three times , WS twice and WS/48 once, OPBM once, BPM thrice, and VORP 5 times.

Duncan's got higher peak numbers though.

[DMC]

lebron has been the best in the league since his game 5 massacre of detroit in 2007

:lol steph was never the best, just the most popular

2000-2002: Shaq
2003-2007: Timmy
2008-present: Lebron

This

[Ice009]

Bird, Jordan and Kobe each were world dominator status for a lot longer than Duncan.

You are a troll. You're here to discredit Spurs and Duncan very subtly.

[TD 21]

:lmao About the revisionist history from '16. Most had Curry as the best player in the league until the back half of the Finals, only to pretend that was never the case and it was always James.

Also, if James is going to get a free pass for not being the best in the regular season (and he hasn't been since '13), then why is '04-'07 Duncan not afforded the same respect?

- O'Neal '00-'02
- Duncan '02-'08
- James '08-current

- I'm going James until he can no longer summon a level that no other current player can, in the games/series it's needed most, in the playoffs.

- Durant has the ideal context to have the most efficient shooting season and exert the most effort on defense, in his career. That doesn't make him any better a player than he's been in recent seasons though.

- Curry's stature makes it so that he just can't affect the game enough defensively/rebounding wise.

[Ice009]

:lmao About the revisionist history from '16. Most had Curry as the best player in the league until the back half of the Finals, only to pretend that was never the case and it was always James.

Also, if James is going to get a free pass for not being the best in the regular season (and he hasn't been since '13), then why is '04-'07 Duncan not afforded the same respect?

- O'Neal '00-'02
- Duncan '02-'08
- James '08-current

- I'm going James until he can no longer summon a level that no other current player can, in the games/series it's needed most, in the playoffs.

- Durant has the ideal context to have the most efficient shooting season and exert the most effort on defense, in his career. That doesn't make him any better a player than he's been in recent seasons though.

- Curry's stature makes it so that he just can't affect the game enough defensively/rebounding wise.

Exactly. Trolls like UNT (whatever the fuck his name is, don't give enough of a shit about him to even write it correctly) won't give Duncan the same respect everyone is giving Lebron James.

Duncan was the best player in '99, then Shaq took over for a couple of years, then TD again from '02 - '07 (maybe you can make a case for '08, but I guess I better give Kobe at least one of those years, or maybe '08 is where James started to take over).

[UNT Eagles 2016]

UNT with some of the worst takes in Spurstalk history in this thread.


Duncan's 2003 season is one of the top 5 seasons by any player in NBA history. He led a team of run downs and nobodies that would have been a 30 win team without him to an NBA title in dominant fashion.
Duncan's 2003 season (welp... actually just the second half of it + the entire playoffs) was fabulous no doubt, but you could argue Kawhi is having an even better year than that as a lone-wolf star this season (Kawhi only has one less 30 point game than Duncan had in 2003 this year, and we've got almost half the season to play).

I wouldn't call the 2003 title "dominant fashion" by any means... on the contrary, it was one of the least "dominant" championships of the last quarter century, maybe better than Miami '06 and Boston '08, but not much else. How many times were we on the brink of losing it all in 2003, in the playoffs alone? How many leads did we cough up or almost cough up because our offense was oft-dreadful that year? We were a very gritty and determined team that year and generally outstanding on defense, but we were FAR from world beaters. It wasn't at all like '99 or '07 where we buzzsawed our way through to the trophy.

Hell, we were a little over half a 4th quarter away from going down 0-2 losing both home games to the #8 Phoenix Suns who had beaten us 4 out of 5 times that year up to that point, the only win for us being a regular season home win in overtime. That "Skunker 8" would have been an awful way to end David's career. Phoenix wasn't done with us, they tied the series 2-2 after we coughed up a 17 point 4th quarter lead in Phoenix. After finally getting through those pesky fucks, we faced the Lakers, against which we coughed up an 18 point lead in game 4 and lost, and were a lucky Horry in-and-out-and-back-in-and-back-out miss from coughing up a 27 point lead en route to a devastating 2-3 series deficit going back to LA which surely would have been the death knell for us. Then against the Mavs we coughed up near 20 point leads at home... TWICE, losing both times though we performed amazingly well in Dallas that year. Then we played the Nets in the Finals, a talent-starved team that had been swept easily by the Lakers the previous June. Instead, we won a very tough 6 game series in which we had to come back from 10 down almost midway through the 4th quarter to prevent game 7.

The complete antithesis of a "dominant fashion" NBA title, and largely had to do with Parker being an inconsistent turnover machine, Manu wasn't Manu just Emanuel Gee-noh-BEE-lee back then, SJax was hit or miss, Claxton had limited talent but was often better than Parker, and the rest of the team save for Duncan was just old. But they found a way and Duncan was fantastic that year.

Other than 2003 though, there's no way you can truly justify Duncan being the best player in the NBA in any other year. Manu was so often the better player in 2005, and that team was overall better and more well-rounded than 2003. By 2007, Duncan had lost his status as best player on the team after entering his post-prime in 2006 due to the foot injury that slowed him down for good.

[Cry Havoc]

Duncan's 2003 season (welp... actually just the second half of it + the entire playoffs) was fabulous no doubt, but you could argue Kawhi is having an even better year than that as a lone-wolf star this season (Kawhi only has one less 30 point game than Duncan had in 2003 this year, and we've got almost half the season to play).

I wouldn't call the 2003 title "dominant fashion" by any means... on the contrary, it was one of the least "dominant" championships of the last quarter century, maybe better than Miami '06 and Boston '08, but not much else. How many times were we on the brink of losing it all in 2003, in the playoffs alone? How many leads did we cough up or almost cough up because our offense was oft-dreadful that year? We were a very gritty and determined team that year and generally outstanding on defense, but we were FAR from world beaters. It wasn't at all like '99 or '07 where we buzzsawed our way through to the trophy.

Hell, we were a little over half a 4th quarter away from going down 0-2 losing both home games to the #8 Phoenix Suns who had beaten us 4 out of 5 times that year up to that point, the only win for us being a regular season home win in overtime. That "Skunker 8" would have been an awful way to end David's career. Phoenix wasn't done with us, they tied the series 2-2 after we coughed up a 17 point 4th quarter lead in Phoenix. After finally getting through those pesky fucks, we faced the Lakers, against which we coughed up an 18 point lead in game 4 and lost, and were a lucky Horry in-and-out-and-back-in-and-back-out miss from coughing up a 27 point lead en route to a devastating 2-3 series deficit going back to LA which surely would have been the death knell for us. Then against the Mavs we coughed up near 20 point leads at home... TWICE, losing both times though we performed amazingly well in Dallas that year. Then we played the Nets in the Finals, a talent-starved team that had been swept easily by the Lakers the previous June. Instead, we won a very tough 6 game series in which we had to come back from 10 down almost midway through the 4th quarter to prevent game 7.

The complete antithesis of a "dominant fashion" NBA title, and largely had to do with Parker being an inconsistent turnover machine, Manu wasn't Manu just Emanuel Gee-noh-BEE-lee back then, SJax was hit or miss, Claxton had limited talent but was often better than Parker, and the rest of the team save for Duncan was just old. But they found a way and Duncan was fantastic that year.

Other than 2003 though, there's no way you can truly justify Duncan being the best player in the NBA in any other year. Manu was so often the better player in 2005, and that team was overall better and more well-rounded than 2003. By 2007, Duncan had lost his status as best player on the team after entering his post-prime in 2006 due to the foot injury that slowed him down for good.

Jesus Christ. All that energy to misunderstand what I said. Duncan was dominant, you dork, not the team. That team was the worst team we've had since pre-1998 and it won a title. None of what you said changes the fact that that was a 30 win team without Duncan on it.

[spurraider21]

2000-2001: Shaq
2002-03: Duncan
2004: KG
2005: ???(KG didn't make the playoffs, Duncan's feet issues, Shaq was on the decline, Kobe missed the playoffs in his prime)... edge Duncan cause he rang
2006: Wade
2007-15: LeBron
2016: Curry (reg season)
2017: Dominos
fify

[UNT Eagles 2016]

2005 was easily Steve Nash. The Spurs were a very well rounded team by then with 3 guys who could go for 30+ on a nightly basis... and Duncan was the least of the three. Add to the fact Duncan was very injury prone in 2005 and missed a solid chunk of the season with ankle injuries.

[Mark Celibate]

Dudes arguing over who the greatest is between Kobe V Duncan V Lebron like the way religious fucktards argue over which god is the real god. I hope you all befriend JR Smith and go for a ride on the town.

sup bro?

do you know what time the Kardashians are taking their dogs for a walk today? I need an update

[140]

:lol

[Thebesteva]

sup bro?

do you know what time the Kardashians are taking their dogs for a walk today? I need an update


Go ask your mother what time she's going for a walk and you'll have your answer

[Fabbs]

2000 Shaq
2001 Shaq
2002: Vlade Divac
2003: Duncan
2004: KG
2005: Duncan
2006: Duncan
2007: Duncan
08-12 LeBron
2013: Duncan
2014: Duncan
2015: LeBron
2016: LeBron
2017: LeBron or Kwa if he knocks the Kobme shit out on too many possessions.

[HarlemHeat37]

sup bro?

do you know what time the Kardashians are taking their dogs for a walk today? I need an update

:lol