Useless players

[RD2191]

LMA
Danny Green
Patty Mills
Pau Gasol


Who am I missing?

[dabom]

COJO

[Cklbmk]

I'd so trade LMA without a thought

[RD2191]

:wakeup

[Play Boban]

I'd trade Porker for TOSB Keith Bogans.

[Cklbmk]

Trade them all.

[dabom]

:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Little Dick Nigga
D-League Danny
Verde
Club Rio Danny
Danny Green
________________________

thats all

[midnightpulp]

LMA (despite the missed FTs) and House were solid tonight.

D-League was awful.

[Ice009]

Man, I've had about enough of Danny missing wide open looks. If I got the same looks as Green, I'd be averaging 15 ppg. This guy is a fucking pathetic shooter.

[look_at_g_shred]

Danny Green useless? LOL

[james evans]

Man, I've had about enough of Danny missing wide open looks. If I got the same looks as Green, I'd be averaging 15 ppg. This guy is a fucking pathetic shooter.
I'm just not understanding it. I can't even get open at my local gyms like Green has been open all season. It's like teams aren't even fearing him anymore and he either bricks it or airballs it. wtf has happened to him?

[FkLA]

Man, I've had about enough of Danny missing wide open looks. If I got the same looks as Green, I'd be averaging 15 ppg. This guy is a fucking pathetic shooter.


I'm just not understanding it. I can't even get open at my local gyms like Green has been open all season. It's like teams aren't even fearing him anymore and he either bricks it or airballs it. wtf has happened to him?

He's shooting 43% on 3PTers this year...

[TheGreatYacht]

He's shooting 43% on 3PTers this year...
42.4FG% and 40.9% from 3 after tonight :lol

Spurs are paying 8 figures/yr for 7 ppg (inefficiently) and some average defense

[mywastedlife900]

LMA
Danny Green
Patty Mills
Pau Gasol


Who am I missing?

Quick somebody pet this whore he needs some attention. Here's a bump ya gimp.

[RD2191]

Quick somebody pet this whore he needs some attention. Here's a bump ya gimp.

Speaking of whores, how's your mother doing?

[Dre_7]

Danny Green? You guys are trippin! He's one of the best defenders in the world.

[TheGreatYacht]

Danny Green? You guys are trippin! He's one of the best defenders in the world.
- Norman Powell, JJ Reddick, Tim Hardaway Jr, Monta Ellis, etc

[ceperez]

You guys are ridiculous. The team has the 2nd best record in the league. Now given how many new players in the team, that's a major accomplishment.

[Cry Havoc]

42.4FG% and 40.9% from 3 after tonight :lol

Spurs are paying 8 figures/yr for 7 ppg (inefficiently) and some average defense

You realize 41% from 3 with elite perimeter defense is fucking amazing, right? $10 mil a season is nothing in the modern cap era, especially for a starter on a 60+ win team.

[SpursforSix]

If I got the same looks as Green, I'd be averaging 15 ppg. This guy is a fucking pathetic shooter.

Same. His shot is fundamentally flawed.

[Dre_7]

- Norman Powell, JJ Reddick, Tim Hardaway Jr, Monta Ellis, etc

Are you one of those whose argument against Kawhi being a super star was "Matt Barnes dar dar dar?"

[Dre_7]

Same. His shot is fundamentally flawed.

Um he is shooting a higher percentage from three this year than Steph, Klay, Korver, and Belli.

[Maddog]

I suspect playing 3 games in 4 nights in 3 different cities and having the defensive responsibilities over the past two games will have an effect on your shot...
The team looked gassed in the second half.

[SpursforSix]

Um he is shooting a higher percentage from three this year than Steph, Klay, Korver, and Belli.

The problem is that he has games where he's terrible. 0 for 4 or 1 for 5, etc. I don't care about Kover or Belli. If Steph is off, he can still create off the dribble and take the ball to the hoop. Green is terrible at that.

[SpursforSix]

Um he is shooting a higher percentage from three this year than Steph, Klay, Korver, and Belli.

And my guess is that Steph and Klay shoot more consistently at their average than Green.

[Dre_7]

The problem is that he has games where he's terrible. 0 for 4 or 1 for 5, etc. I don't care about Kover or Belli. If Steph is off, he can still create off the dribble and take the ball to the hoop. Green is terrible at that.

Haha, so you are comparing his driving abilities to Steph?? Ha! Still doesn't make Green's shot fundamentally flawed. Not sure what your argument is. No, he cannot drive like Steph, but he isn't asked to do that. He is asked to be a 3 and D guy. His D is better than Steph's. When he is off he can still defende and still space the floor. He also is incredibly helpful next to Kawhi on defense so that Kawhi doesn't always have to guard the best man every time down the court. If I had to choose between Steph and Danny than I am obviously choosing Curry, but that isn't an option I see available for the Spurs any time soon. Also doesn't change the fact that Danny is a greet shooter and PHENOMENAL defender.

[TheGreatYacht]

You realize 41% from 3 with elite perimeter defense is fucking amazing, right? $10 mil a season is nothing in the modern cap era, especially for a starter on a 60+ win team.
Elite perimeter defense? Slow down there this isn't 2013. Also, lets not act like Green took an out of this world discount.

Here are a couple of 3&D players who are better than D-League Danny, can dribble a basketball, and get paid LESS or around his range:

Jae Crowder (7M/yr)
Avery Bradley (8M/yr)
Iman Shumpert (9M/yr)
Trevor Ariza (8M/yr)
Patrick Beverley (5.7M/yr)
Tyler Johnson (12.5M/yr)
DeMarre Carroll (14.5M/yr)

[SpursforSix]

Haha, so you are comparing his driving abilities to Steph?? Ha! Still doesn't make Green's shot fundamentally flawed. Not sure what your argument is. No, he cannot drive like Steph, but he isn't asked to do that. He is asked to be a 3 and D guy. His D is better than Steph's. When he is off he can still defende and still space the floor. He also is incredibly helpful next to Kawhi on defense so that Kawhi doesn't always have to guard the best man every time down the court. If I had to choose between Steph and Danny than I am obviously choosing Curry, but that isn't an option I see available for the Spurs any time soon. Also doesn't change the fact that Danny is a greet shooter and PHENOMENAL defender.

Your original response had nothing to do with my comment about his shot. You just threw out %'s. The fact that Green is so inconsistent backs up my "fundamentally flawed" comment. If Green shot close to his average every game, he'd be way more valuable. I would also guess that Klay and Steph shoot more contested shots than Green.

If you gave any of those guys you mentioned the same open shots as Green, I think they'd make a higher % than DG. Danny rarely puts up a shot with someone in his face.

[Dre_7]

Your original response had nothing to do with my comment about his shot. You just threw out %'s. The fact that Green is so inconsistent backs up my "fundamentally flawed" comment. If Green shot close to his average every game, he'd be way more valuable. I would also guess that Klay and Steph shoot more contested shots than Green.

If you gave any of those guys you mentioned the same open shots as Green, I think they'd make a higher % than DG. Danny rarely puts up a shot with someone in his face.

So you have stats on Green's consistency and the percentage of open shots vs contested shots he, Klay, and Steph are shooting? Or are you just basing it on your estimations?

[SpursforSix]

So you have stats on Green's consistency and the percentage of open shots vs contested shots he, Klay, and Steph are shooting? Or are you just basing it on your estimations?

No, I don't have those stats. But I have watched a shit load of games and I can confidently tell you that Green almost never shoots a contested three. Not to the level that the others do. As to my comment about the others having a smaller game by game deviation from their average, that data is easily obtained.

Do you not agree that Danny Green is inconsistent as fuck?

[TheGreatYacht]

So you have stats on Green's consistency and the percentage of open shots vs contested shots he, Klay, and Steph are shooting? Or are you just basing it on your estimations?
2015-2016 3pt shooting splits:
Oct - 20%
Nov - 33.8%
Dec - 26.8%
Jan - 49.1%
Feb - 36.7%
Mar - 25.8%
Apr - 40.4%
May - 44.8%

D-League is one of the most inconsistent shooters I've ever seen. If you haven't noticed that by now and needed confirmation....... I don't know what to tell you buddy.

[Dre_7]

2015-2016 3pt shooting splits:
Oct - 20%
Nov - 33.8%
Dec - 26.8%
Jan - 49.1%
Feb - 36.7%
Mar - 25.8%
Apr - 40.4%
May - 44.8%

D-League is one of the most inconsistent shooters I've ever seen. If you haven't noticed that by now and needed confirmation....... I don't know what to tell you buddy.

Using his stats from his one down shooting year with the Spurs. Have the stats for this season? and 2014?

[Dre_7]

Do you not agree that Danny Green is inconsistent as fuck?

I don't.

[Dre_7]

2015-2016 3pt shooting splits:
Oct - 20%
Nov - 33.8%
Dec - 26.8%
Jan - 49.1%
Feb - 36.7%
Mar - 25.8%
Apr - 40.4%
May - 44.8%

D-League is one of the most inconsistent shooters I've ever seen. If you haven't noticed that by now and needed confirmation....... I don't know what to tell you buddy.

Just looked up his stats for the two years before 15-16 and this year, not inconsistent at all. Shall I post them for you??

[SpursforSix]

So you have stats on Green's consistency and the percentage of open shots vs contested shots he, Klay, and Steph are shooting? Or are you just basing it on your estimations?

Here's your stats:

Danny Green:

Closest Defender/ Freq
0-2 feet /6.3%
2-4 feet /25.9%
4-6 feet /30.4%
6+ feet /37.5%


Steph Curry

Closest Defender/ Freq
0-2 feet /13.3%
2-4 feet /31.6%
4-6 feet /36.3%
6+ feet /18.8%

[TheGreatYacht]

Using his stats from his one down shooting year with the Spurs. Have the stats for this season? and 2014?
No, :lol I'm using the stats from this past season. The latest complete example lmao.

2014? Sure do you want Parker's 2013 numbers as well?

Here is this season 3p% so far:
Oct - N/A
Nov - 43.4%
Dec - 48.4%
Jan - 31.1%

[SpursforSix]

So you have stats on Green's consistency and the percentage of open shots vs contested shots he, Klay, and Steph are shooting? Or are you just basing it on your estimations?

FYI, I also checked on Klay, Belli, and Kyle. None of them shoot as high a % of wide open shots as Green.

[r0drig0lac]

He's shooting 43% on 3PTers this year...

this

[Dre_7]

Danny Green 3p%:

2013-14:
Oct. (Spurs only had 1 game) 33%
Nov. 45%
Dec. 40%
Jan. (He only started 2 games) 14%
Feb. 39%
Mar. 51%
Apr. 40%

2014-15
Oct. 43%
Nov. 42%
Dec. 39%
Jan. 43&
Feb. 29%
Mar. 46%
Apr. 48%

2016-17:
Nov. 43%
Dec. 48%
Jan. 33%

He also shoots 44% from three for his career in the playoffs.

Other than 2015-16, which was his one bad season shooting (he got better as the year went along that season btw) he has been very consistent for his entire career as the Spurs starting SG.

[Nathan89]

Here are a couple of 3&D players who are better than D-League Danny, can dribble a basketball, and get paid LESS or around his range:

Jae Crowder (7M/yr)
Avery Bradley (8M/yr)
Iman Shumpert (9M/yr)
Trevor Ariza (8M/yr)
Patrick Beverley (5.7M/yr)
Tyler Johnson (12.5M/yr)
DeMarre Carroll (14.5M/yr)

Iman Shumpert:lol
Career 3pt% = 34%:lol

[Dre_7]

FYI, I also checked on Klay, Belli, and Kyle. None of them shoot as high a % of wide open shots as Green.

Thank you for actually looking it up as opposed to just guessing. You are right he shoots more open shots. Still doesn't make him inconsistent. He is still a phenomenal defender.

[mywastedlife900]

Speaking of whores, how's your mother doing?

Fine thanks for asking. Mom jokes brought out the big guns lol.

[SpursforSix]

Thank you for actually looking it up as opposed to just guessing. You are right he shoots more open shots. Still doesn't make him inconsistent. He is still a phenomenal defender.

I like Green for the most part. I agree his defense is good and it helps offset the nights when he isn't shooting well. It's just maddening when the Spurs move the ball around to get a wide open shot and he misses. I have more confidence in him when he shoots the pull up three in transition. And I realize it is what it is, but I'm still dumbfounded that he's fairly athletic but so awkward taking the ball to the rim. His drives look so unnatural for someone that has been playing basketball for as long as he has.

[Dre_7]

I like Green for the most part. I agree his defense is good and it helps offset the nights when he isn't shooting well. It's just maddening when the Spurs move the ball around to get a wide open shot and he misses. I have more confidence in him when he shoots the pull up three in transition. And I realize it is what it is, but I'm still dumbfounded that he's fairly athletic but so awkward taking the ball to the rim. His drives look so unnatural for someone that has been playing basketball for as long as he has.

I agree that he isn't good at driving the lane. But that weakness doesn't hurt the Spurs too much because he isn't relied on to do that. He makes enough catch and shoot threes to negate his poor driving ability. His defense is great, and he hits a lot of threes in the clutch.

[SAGirl]

Frankly, none of this would matter if he was making his shots last night. He did have a bad shooting night and they were for the most part wide open shots.

[Chinook]

I just can't believe people are still going over the same issues like they're new ground. Green's always been this way, folks. He was like this when the Spurs were in the Finals. He was like this when outdueling Curry and Durant in games. This is who he is, and it's damned good. Stop waiting for a slump to freak out.

[SAGirl]

Stop waiting for a slump to freak out.

:lol
This statement was super hilarious!

Waiting for a slump to freak out is what the forum excels at! :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Iman Shumpert:lol
Career 3pt% = 34%:lol
2016-2017:

D-League Danny - 26.4MPG, 7.5ppg, 3.0reb, 1.9ast, 0.9stl, 42.2FG%, 40.9 3p%, 10.9PER, 2.1WS

Iman Shumpert - 24.8MPG, 7.7ppg, 2.9reb, 1.6ast, 1.0stl, 44.1FG%, 40.6 3p%, 10.9PER, 1.9WS

:lol you laughing at Shumpert
:lol identical numbers to D-League Danny
:lol proves my point
:lol still gets paid less

[TheGreatYacht]

I just can't believe people are still going over the same issues like they're new ground. Green's always been this way, folks. He was like this when the Spurs were in the Finals. He was like this when outdueling Curry and Durant in games. This is who he is, and it's damned good. Stop waiting for a slump to freak out.
Are these alternative facts?

Didnt know 1 1/2 seasons was a "slump"

[TheGreatYacht]

Shooting Guard is the highest paid position on this team, and also the weakest. It's time to point it out.

[Chinook]

Are these alternative facts?

Didnt know 1 1/2 seasons was a "slump"

He's shooting over 40 percent this season. That's not a slump. Even if you added in everything from the start of last season, he's shooting 37 percent, which is still above league average.

Anyway, he has had games over the years where he has guarded both of those guys one-on-one had has been the guy they've guarded one-on-one and outscored them.

[Dre_7]

Shooting Guard is the highest paid position on this team, and also the weakest. It's time to point it out.

Manu's contract is up at the end of the year, relax.

[TheGreatYacht]

Manu's contract is up at the end of the year, relax.
That's what I was hoping for 4 years ago

[Dre_7]

Are these alternative facts?

Didnt know 1 1/2 seasons was a "slump"

Wrong, it was half a season.

[Dre_7]

That's what I was hoping for 4 years ago

Good thing you were wrong, he very much had a hand in helping Duncan get number 5. :)

[NameLess Scrub]

I like Green for the most part. I agree his defense is good and it helps offset the nights when he isn't shooting well. It's just maddening when the Spurs move the ball around to get a wide open shot and he misses. I have more confidence in him when he shoots the pull up three in transition. And I realize it is what it is, but I'm still dumbfounded that he's fairly athletic but so awkward taking the ball to the rim. His drives look so unnatural for someone that has been playing basketball for as long as he has.


The bolded is interesting to me too. I think he's lack of ball handling ability affects his ability to get into a place in the paint where he can actually use his athleticism to finish. Or maybe, he's not decisive enough, often trying to create something instead of just going hard for the finish.

Who knows?

[Spur|n|Austin]

Carmelo?

824362076734898176

[SpursforSix]

The bolded is interesting to me too. I think he's lack of ball handling ability affects his ability to get into a place in the paint where he can actually use his athleticism to finish. Or maybe, he's not decisive enough, often trying to create something instead of just going hard for the finish.

Who knows?

I agree that his ballhandling is subpar. But even when he's able to get around his man, his shots are just awkward. He doesn't seem to have any kind of touch or any idea how to take it strong.

[NameLess Scrub]

I agree that his ballhandling is subpar. But even when he's able to get around his man, his shots are just awkward. He doesn't seem to have any kind of touch or any idea how to take it strong.

Agreed.

[Cry Havoc]

Elite perimeter defense? Slow down there this isn't 2013. Also, lets not act like Green took an out of this world discount.

Here are a couple of 3&D players who are better than D-League Danny, can dribble a basketball, and get paid LESS or around his range:

Jae Crowder (7M/yr)
Avery Bradley (8M/yr)
Iman Shumpert (9M/yr)
Trevor Ariza (8M/yr)
Patrick Beverley (5.7M/yr)
Tyler Johnson (12.5M/yr)
DeMarre Carroll (14.5M/yr)

So let's see:

You like Parker but you'd admit his D is nothing great.
Danny sucks.
You're not a Kawhi fan.
Pau sucks.
LMA is okay.

And somehow you put those 5 together and you have a top 3 defense in the league. That's hilarious.

[Clipper Nation]

LMA
Danny Green
Patty Mills
Pau Gasol


Who am I missing?
Porker.

[TheGreatYacht]

So let's see:

You like Parker but you'd admit his D is nothing great.
Danny sucks.
You're not a Kawhi fan.
Pau sucks.
LMA is okay.

And somehow you put those 5 together and you have a top 3 defense in the league. That's hilarious.
Parker = bad defender
Green = average defender (overrated)
Leonard = great defender
Aldridge = good defender
Gasol = average defender (underrated)

I think the fact that this team is a Top 3 defense, speaks more about what state the league is in :lol It's a top heavy league. The bottom 25 teams should not be taken seriously.

[Clipper Nation]

Parker = bad
Truth bombs.

[DMC]

Who am I missing?

Your familia en Mexico. Go visit them.

[tonight...you]

RD2191 is the Pope of Spurstalk. Speak ill of him and you put your immortal soul in peril.

How that man has not been canonized with the darkest of BOLDINGS, I have no idea.

[RD2191]

RD2191 is the Pope of Spurstalk. Speak ill of him and you put your immortal soul in peril.

How that man has not been canonized with the darkest of BOLDINGS, I have no idea.

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/nodding_clint_eastwood.gif

[Blake]

RD2191 is the Pope of Spurstalk. Speak ill of him and you put your immortal soul in peril.

How that man has not been canonized with the darkest of BOLDINGS, I have no idea.

tonight....rob diaz....

[GSH]

You realize 41% from 3 with elite perimeter defense is fucking amazing, right? $10 mil a season is nothing in the modern cap era, especially for a starter on a 60+ win team.


Yeah, but a guy can be a great defender, shoot a solid 3P%, and be a great value for cap purposes, and still be "useless"

I don't think you understand how ST works.

[tonight...you]

my bad... lol

[tonight...you]

tonight....rob diaz....
rawr...
I'mma come getchu...
http://37.media.tumblr.com/bebca7b95385aa1b2a1b8bf2c0c79b11/tumblr_n12po1ywn81trty0oo1_400.gif

[Ice009]

SpursforSix knows what he's talking about. If any of you guys were actually a shooter, a pure shooter, someone that shooting comes naturally to, then you'd know that open shots like Green gets a lot of the time, are shots that a pure/good shooter makes with some consistency. The fact that Green misses a lot of open looks tells me that he's a streak shooter (hence the nickname Icy Hot). He's not a great shooter. He's a streak shooter and I don't trust streak shooters because that means to me, in a playoff game, if he's open, he's just as likely to miss the shot than he is to make it. I was OK with that as he was a great defender, and I always pick defense over offense as I'm defense first, but IMO Danny's one on one D has slipped, and if his D isn't there, then he's not as valuable to me anymore.

I hope I am wrong about his shooting, I really do, because I want him to do well and be huge for us in the playoffs. He's gotta knock down those open shots with a lot more consistency, though.

[tonight...you]

SpursforSix knows what he's talking about. If any of you guys were actually a shooter, a pure shooter, someone that shooting comes naturally to, then you'd know that open shots like Green gets a lot of the time, are shots that a pure/good shooter makes with some consistency. The fact that Green misses a lot of open looks tells me that he's a streak shooter (hence the nickname Icy Hot). He's not a great shooter. He's a streak shooter and I don't trust streak shooters because that means to me, in a playoff game, if he's open, he's just as likely to miss the shot than he is to make it. I was OK with that as he was a great defender, and I always pick defense over offense and I'm defense first, but IMO Danny's D has slipped, and if his D isn't there, then he's not as valuable to me anymore.

I hope I am wrong about his shooting, I really do, because I want him to do well and be huge for us in the playoffs. He's gotta knock down those open shots with a lot more consistency, though.
When has he failed in the playoffs?

[Ice009]

When has he failed in the playoffs?

I'll give you one straight off the top of my head. 2015 playoffs against the Clippers, game 7, he had some really good looks at the end there and missed them.

[tonight...you]

I'll give you one straight off the top of my head. 2015 playoffs against the Clippers, game 7, he had some really good looks at the end there and missed them.
Damn... he straight up sucks then.

[Ice009]

Damn... he straight up sucks then.

lol, I know you're being sarcastic. He doesn't suck, but he is very frustrating to me. I hope he can hit a lot more of those open shots with consistency going forward.

[tonight...you]

lol, I know you're being sarcastic. He doesn't suck, but he is very frustrating to me. I hope he can hit a lot more of those open shots with consistency going forward.

Old boy's streaky. That's the truth bud.

[Cry Havoc]

SpursforSix knows what he's talking about. If any of you guys were actually a shooter, a pure shooter, someone that shooting comes naturally to, then you'd know that open shots like Green gets a lot of the time, are shots that a pure/good shooter makes with some consistency. The fact that Green misses a lot of open looks tells me that he's a streak shooter (hence the nickname Icy Hot). He's not a great shooter. He's a streak shooter and I don't trust streak shooters because that means to me, in a playoff game, if he's open, he's just as likely to miss the shot than he is to make it. I was OK with that as he was a great defender, and I always pick defense over offense as I'm defense first, but IMO Danny's one on one D has slipped, and if his D isn't there, then he's not as valuable to me anymore.

I hope I am wrong about his shooting, I really do, because I want him to do well and be huge for us in the playoffs. He's gotta knock down those open shots with a lot more consistency, though.

You're fucking insane.

Danny Green had the best 3 point performance of any players in finals history.

[Ice009]

You're fucking insane.

Danny Green had the best 3 point performance of any players in finals history.

Yeah, hot, streak shooting. Then he cooled right off in game 6 and 7. It's also not the best anymore. Curry broke that record.

[TheDoctor]

You're fucking insane.

Danny Green had the best 3 point performance of any players in finals history.

Yeah, hot, streak shooting. Then he cooled right off in game 6 and 7. It's also not the best anymore. Curry broke that record.

It wasn't coincidence, remember this happened:
"I can’t believe he’s still open at this moment of this series. They are still trapping me and doubling Timmy, but leaving Danny wide open. If you are going to leave Danny wide open, he’s going to make threes..."

And Bosh's response to Enrique's:
"He won't be open tonight. We'll see how he shoots with somebody always on him"

[SpursforSix]

Not to beat Green down any more but I'd rather have a 35% shooter (from 3) that's going to hit 35% of his shots across the board than a 45% shooter that has a 50% chance of shooting less than 20%. Especially in the playoffs. I still stand by my comment about his mechanics.

That being said, Green is far from useless.

[Ice009]

It wasn't coincidence, remember this happened:
"I can’t believe he’s still open at this moment of this series. They are still trapping me and doubling Timmy, but leaving Danny wide open. If you are going to leave Danny wide open, he’s going to make threes..."

And Bosh's response to Enrique's:
"He won't be open tonight. We'll see how he shoots with somebody always on him"

He still got some open looks and missed them. Just 2 or 3 three pointers in either of those last two games would have been huge. He wasn't open as much, but he still got some looks that he missed.

[DMC]

SpursforSix knows what he's talking about. If any of you guys were actually a shooter, a pure shooter, someone that shooting comes naturally to, then you'd know that open shots like Green gets a lot of the time, are shots that a pure/good shooter makes with some consistency. The fact that Green misses a lot of open looks tells me that he's a streak shooter (hence the nickname Icy Hot). He's not a great shooter. He's a streak shooter and I don't trust streak shooters because that means to me, in a playoff game, if he's open, he's just as likely to miss the shot than he is to make it. I was OK with that as he was a great defender, and I always pick defense over offense as I'm defense first, but IMO Danny's one on one D has slipped, and if his D isn't there, then he's not as valuable to me anymore.

I hope I am wrong about his shooting, I really do, because I want him to do well and be huge for us in the playoffs. He's gotta knock down those open shots with a lot more consistency, though.
So are 50% 3pt shooters. Most are more likely to miss however so your scenario would be a huge improvement over the best in the game tbh

[GSH]

Not to beat Green down any more but I'd rather have a 35% shooter (from 3) that's going to hit 35% of his shots across the board than a 45% shooter that has a 50% chance of shooting less than 20%.



Well that's a great idea. Who did you have in mind? Why don't you tell us the name of a player who shoots 35% across the board.

While your at it, have a look at Danny's game logs. Because he's only shot .250 or lower in 8 out of 39 games. Not a 50% chance of shooting below .200, like you claim. More like a 20% chance of shooting .250 or less. So where did you come up with that?

J.J. Reddick has shot .250 or less 10 times out of 41 games. Channing Frye, 10 times out of 39 games. And they are two of the more consistent (low variance) 3P shooters on the leaderboard. If you take a look at some of the logs, you'll see that Danny is actually LESS streaky than most of the guys on the 3P% leader board. Streakiness is sort of the nature of 3P shooting. So if you mean that you'd rather have Steph Curry shooting 3's instead of Danny, just say so. I'm sure you won't get a whole lot of argument over that.

[Cry Havoc]

I still stand by my comment about his mechanics.

I stand by my comment that you don't know a fucking thing about basketball.

[Cry Havoc]

Well that's a great idea. Who did you have in mind? Why don't you tell us the name of a player who shoots 35% across the board.

While your at it, have a look at Danny's game logs. Because he's only shot .250 or lower in 8 out of 39 games. Not a 50% chance of shooting below .200, like you claim. More like a 20% chance of shooting .250 or less. So where did you come up with that?

J.J. Reddick has shot .250 or less 10 times out of 41 games. Channing Frye, 10 times out of 39 games. And they are two of the more consistent (low variance) 3P shooters on the leaderboard. If you take a look at some of the logs, you'll see that Danny is actually LESS streaky than most of the guys on the 3P% leader board. Streakiness is sort of the nature of 3P shooting. So if you mean that you'd rather have Steph Curry shooting 3's instead of Danny, just say so. I'm sure you won't get a whole lot of argument over that.

:lol In before goalpost shift. "It was just a figure of speech you guys. You guys. You guyyyyyyzzzzzzz."

[Chinook]

I'll give you one straight off the top of my head. 2015 playoffs against the Clippers, game 7, he had some really good looks at the end there and missed them.

Danny went bananas in Game Seven of 2015. You literally could have picked any other game in that series and had an argument.

[Ice009]

He missed at the end of the game. I thought he had a good look or two, unfortunately, didn't make them. I know that was the only game he showed up in, but that doesn't wipe out his misses at the end of the game. You give him a good look, there's no guarantee that it will go in. You give an elite shooter like Kerr those same looks, they're more likely to go in. This isn't a percentage thing.

If any of you guys can shoot the ball, you'll know what I'm talking about.

[Chinook]

That's totally a percentage thing. That's completely captured by stats. You don't need to know anything about shooting to either confirm or debunk your argument.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Are you seriously discussing the merits and streakiness of a shooter, who has a career playoff 3 point shooting % higher than Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Kevin Durant, Mike Miller, Ray Allen and Kyle Korver?

[SpursforSix]

Well that's a great idea. Who did you have in mind? Why don't you tell us the name of a player who shoots 35% across the board.

While your at it, have a look at Danny's game logs. Because he's only shot .250 or lower in 8 out of 39 games. Not a 50% chance of shooting below .200, like you claim. More like a 20% chance of shooting .250 or less. So where did you come up with that?

J.J. Reddick has shot .250 or less 10 times out of 41 games. Channing Frye, 10 times out of 39 games. And they are two of the more consistent (low variance) 3P shooters on the leaderboard. If you take a look at some of the logs, you'll see that Danny is actually LESS streaky than most of the guys on the 3P% leader board. Streakiness is sort of the nature of 3P shooting. So if you mean that you'd rather have Steph Curry shooting 3's instead of Danny, just say so. I'm sure you won't get a whole lot of argument over that.

I did look at his game log and the swings weren't as large as I thought. I still think they deviate more than other top shooters. I don't like Curry. Can't stand him. But I think if took the same % of wide open shots as Danny, he'd have a higher % if makes. Same with Klay.

[SpursforSix]

:lol In before goalpost shift. "It was just a figure of speech you guys. You guys. You guyyyyyyzzzzzzz."

I don't do that. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I was right about the open shots and I still think I'm right about him having a higher deviation than other shooters. If I have time, I'll run some statistics.

[SpursforSix]

Well that's a great idea. Who did you have in mind? Why don't you tell us the name of a player who shoots 35% across the board.

While your at it, have a look at Danny's game logs. Because he's only shot .250 or lower in 8 out of 39 games. Not a 50% chance of shooting below .200, like you claim. More like a 20% chance of shooting .250 or less. So where did you come up with that?

J.J. Reddick has shot .250 or less 10 times out of 41 games. Channing Frye, 10 times out of 39 games. And they are two of the more consistent (low variance) 3P shooters on the leaderboard. If you take a look at some of the logs, you'll see that Danny is actually LESS streaky than most of the guys on the 3P% leader board. Streakiness is sort of the nature of 3P shooting. So if you mean that you'd rather have Steph Curry shooting 3's instead of Danny, just say so. I'm sure you won't get a whole lot of argument over that.

Do you have a source that computes the variance? I'd appreciate being able to go to a site that's already got it figured out.

I ran the standard deviations for Green, Curry, Klay, Koerver, and Belli.
Curry : .157
Klay : .218
Green : .242
Koerver : .266
Belli : .278

These are based on 3 point shots.

So he's a less consistent shooter than Curry and Klay. Not even taking into account that he shots more wide open shots than any of the above.
The bottom line is that I'd like for him to hit his wide open shots more consistently. A wide open three is not a difficult shot. So is it his mechanics? Or is it mental? I don't know.
As I've said, I like Green and his hustle and defense. But I sure wouldn't say he's a feared 3 point shooter.

[GSH]

Do you have a source that computes the variance? I'd appreciate being able to go to a site that's already got it figured out.

I ran the standard deviations for Green, Curry, Klay, Koerver, and Belli.
Curry : .157
Klay : .218
Green : .242
Koerver : .266
Belli : .278

These are based on 3 point shots.

So he's a less consistent shooter than Curry and Klay. Not even taking into account that he shots more wide open shots than any of the above.
The bottom line is that I'd like for him to hit his wide open shots more consistently. A wide open three is not a difficult shot. So is it his mechanics? Or is it mental? I don't know.
As I've said, I like Green and his hustle and defense. But I sure wouldn't say he's a feared 3 point shooter.


I should have said what I did less aggressively. My fault. But, yeah, that's pretty much what I was saying. Once you get past Curry and Thompson, the rest are pretty streaky. Danny is actually more steady than most, even though it doesn't feel like it a lot of the time. And he's not getting/taking enough of them, but that's a different issue.

As for Curry and Klay - is it mental or mechanics? Some of both. Those two guys are sons of talented NBA players, so some of it is genetic. They also grew up with it, so it's as much a part of them as brushing their teeth. That's got to make a difference.

Danny clearly isn't making as many 3's as he used to, but it has more to do with how many he's taking, since his percentage is still pretty damned solid. I'm not even going to step into the minefield of why he's not taking as many. Too many sacred cows here, and I just don't have the desire to argue for the sake of arguing.

One thing that I think hurts the Spurs' perimeter shooting (that nobody else seems to mind too much) is their passing. When a guy like Danny is squared up and has the shot measured, and can take the pass and step right into it, he's going to make a lot more of them. Too often, our perimeter shooters have to lean or even take a step sideways to gather the ball. Then they have to turn, square up, and look the shot up again. And by that time, a defender has often had time to close. Danny, in particular, is a lot less effective when he's had to move a little sideways before taking a 3. Watch him in transition, when he can drive straight toward the basket, stop, and step straight into the shot. It's always been a strength for him. Sometimes the pass is wide because a guard over-penetrates and doesn't have a direct passing lane anymore. Sometime (too much of the time) they are just sloppy with their passes. It's no different that a QB who can hit a receiver in stride vs. one who makes the receiver turn and reach for the ball.

I'm pretty sure Danny's 3P% has dropped over the last month, which means he hasn't been shooting it as well, and that's probably part of what you're feeling. But in general, his consistency at the 3P line is still as good or better than most. We remember the misses that could have been game winners more than the ones in the middle of a game. They all count the same 3 points. But if you want him to be like Steph or Klay, I hope you have the secret of how they do it. You could make a fortune.

[RD2191]

Okay, so we all agree that Danny Green is useless trash?

[GSH]

Okay, so we all agree that Danny Green is useless trash?


LOL. He's only averaging 7.5 PPG. A defensive big man who's getting a lot of rebounds and some blocks? People don't get too upset. A perimeter defender doesn't have a hell of a lot to show. But he's actually putting up almost as many 3PA per game as Kawhi, and hitting almost the same percentage. He's not useless trash. His inability to put the ball on the floor and get to the rim and/or the FT line is a pretty serious drawback. But good luck getting someone better on the Spurs' budget, without making the roster weaker as a whole.

Simmons is getting an invite to the AS game. Pop could always move him to the SL.
Or not.

[TheGreatYacht]

Okay, so we all agree that Danny Green is useless trash?
Yes. Great thread bro.... couldn't have done one better myself. It was time Green deserved a calling out thread

[Clipper Nation]

You're fucking insane.

Danny Green had the best 3 point performance of any players in finals history.
Then "I Can't Believe They're Leaving Him Wide Open" happened.

:lol Porker

[SpursforSix]

I should have said what I did less aggressively. My fault. But, yeah, that's pretty much what I was saying. Once you get past Curry and Thompson, the rest are pretty streaky. Danny is actually more steady than most, even though it doesn't feel like it a lot of the time. And he's not getting/taking enough of them, but that's a different issue.

As for Curry and Klay - is it mental or mechanics? Some of both. Those two guys are sons of talented NBA players, so some of it is genetic. They also grew up with it, so it's as much a part of them as brushing their teeth. That's got to make a difference.

Danny clearly isn't making as many 3's as he used to, but it has more to do with how many he's taking, since his percentage is still pretty damned solid. I'm not even going to step into the minefield of why he's not taking as many. Too many sacred cows here, and I just don't have the desire to argue for the sake of arguing.

One thing that I think hurts the Spurs' perimeter shooting (that nobody else seems to mind too much) is their passing. When a guy like Danny is squared up and has the shot measured, and can take the pass and step right into it, he's going to make a lot more of them. Too often, our perimeter shooters have to lean or even take a step sideways to gather the ball. Then they have to turn, square up, and look the shot up again. And by that time, a defender has often had time to close. Danny, in particular, is a lot less effective when he's had to move a little sideways before taking a 3. Watch him in transition, when he can drive straight toward the basket, stop, and step straight into the shot. It's always been a strength for him. Sometimes the pass is wide because a guard over-penetrates and doesn't have a direct passing lane anymore. Sometime (too much of the time) they are just sloppy with their passes. It's no different that a QB who can hit a receiver in stride vs. one who makes the receiver turn and reach for the ball.

I'm pretty sure Danny's 3P% has dropped over the last month, which means he hasn't been shooting it as well, and that's probably part of what you're feeling. But in general, his consistency at the 3P line is still as good or better than most. We remember the misses that could have been game winners more than the ones in the middle of a game. They all count the same 3 points. But if you want him to be like Steph or Klay, I hope you have the secret of how they do it. You could make a fortune.

I think you make some good points on Klay and Curry. And I think that they have the ability to alter their shots based on coverage or which way they're moving, etc. My guess is this comes from taking a lot of shots in a lot of situations over a long period of time. So that they don't have to be squared up to have a good chance at making the basket. And I think Green is opposite in that (like you said) needs to be squared up and able to step straight into the shot. He doesn't seem to be comfortable taking a shot fading one way or the other. Or having to double clutch.

[RD2191]

Yes. Great thread bro.... couldn't have done one better myself. It was time Green deserved a calling out thread

:toast

[GSH]

I think you make some good points on Klay and Curry. And I think that they have the ability to alter their shots based on coverage or which way they're moving, etc. My guess is this comes from taking a lot of shots in a lot of situations over a long period of time. So that they don't have to be squared up to have a good chance at making the basket. And I think Green is opposite in that (like you said) needs to be squared up and able to step straight into the shot. He doesn't seem to be comfortable taking a shot fading one way or the other. Or having to double clutch.


I've never seen anything like Curry and Klay. It's like Tiger Woods, when he was at his best - there's nothing to compare them to. Especially Curry. If you start comparing anyone else to that, you're going to be disappointed. What you were talking about, a 3P shooter that is steady, rather than streaky? That's sort of the holy grail. 3P shooting is always high-variance ball. Guys get "in the zone" and hit everything they look at, but it evens out over time. Tiger stayed in the zone longer and more often than anyone ever had. The same for Curry, and right behind him Klay.

[SpursforSix]

I've never seen anything like Curry and Klay. It's like Tiger Woods, when he was at his best - there's nothing to compare them to. Especially Curry. If you start comparing anyone else to that, you're going to be disappointed. What you were talking about, a 3P shooter that is steady, rather than streaky? That's sort of the holy grail. 3P shooting is always high-variance ball. Guys get "in the zone" and hit everything they look at, but it evens out over time. Tiger stayed in the zone longer and more often than anyone ever had. The same for Curry, and right behind him Klay.

Yeah...even though I did...my point wasn't to compare Danny to Curry. Someone else brought up Klay and Curry and it made me curious as to the actual numbers. They're on a different level. I do think that there are other shooters in the NBA that would hit higher % than Green with the open looks. But then most don't play the defense that Green does. For the money, Green provides great value. Hopefully, he'll be hot at the right moments.

[Chinook]

Did people actually look at the percentage of makes on open looks? That's data that stat geeks already cut. You don't have to speculate.

As far as the variance, I'd love to see how that was cut. Was it based on games? Was volume factored in? There's no a lot you can tell from just sigmas, especially ones that are actually pretty close to each other, provided they're normalized.

[DPG21920]

Okay, so we all agree that Danny Green is useless trash?

I will slap what little handsomeness you have out yo face if you talk like this again.

[tholdren]

Danny Green? You guys are trippin! He's one of the best defenders in the world.
right. he was terrible in cleveland, and virtually everywhere else.

[tholdren]

Did people actually look at the percentage of makes on open looks? That's data that stat geeks already cut. You don't have to speculate.

As far as the variance, I'd love to see how that was cut. Was it based on games? Was volume factored in? There's no a lot you can tell from just sigmas, especially ones that are actually pretty close to each other, provided they're normalized.
Chinook is so dumb

[Ice009]

Do you have a source that computes the variance? I'd appreciate being able to go to a site that's already got it figured out.

I ran the standard deviations for Green, Curry, Klay, Koerver, and Belli.
Curry : .157
Klay : .218
Green : .242
Koerver : .266
Belli : .278

These are based on 3 point shots.

So he's a less consistent shooter than Curry and Klay. Not even taking into account that he shots more wide open shots than any of the above.
The bottom line is that I'd like for him to hit his wide open shots more consistently. A wide open three is not a difficult shot. So is it his mechanics? Or is it mental? I don't know.
As I've said, I like Green and his hustle and defense. But I sure wouldn't say he's a feared 3 point shooter.

Again, I pretty much agree with your gut feeling. I think it might be his mechanics. I don't think he's consistent with his shooting mechanics. I think that might be the main reason he misses more open shots than I'd like him to. The fact that he's also an average shooter inside the 3 point line leads me to believe it's a problem with his mechanics. Any open shot inside the 3 point line is like a layup to me. It's much easier (if you're a shooter) to hit mid-range shots if open, but Green seems to be quite poor at shots inside the arc. A lot of great 3 point shooters are also pretty good shooting mid-range shots, especially if they're open.

[SpursforSix]

Again, I pretty much agree with your gut feeling. I think it might be his mechanics. I don't think he's consistent with his shooting mechanics. I think that might be the main reason he misses more open shots than I'd like him to. The fact that he's also an average shooter inside the 3 point line leads me to believe it's a problem with his mechanics. Any open shot inside the 3 point line is like a layup to me. It's much easier (if you're a shooter) to hit mid-range shots if open, but Green seems to be quite poor at shots inside the arc. A lot of great 3 point shooters are also pretty good shooting mid-range shots, especially if they're open.

I'm not sure I agree with that 100%. I think every shooter has an optimal range. When I was playing (back in the day), it was easier for me to hit a 3 pointer from outside the top of the key than something around 15 feet. Because I could use my whole range of motion and not have to worry about holding back on the strength of the shot. Imo, the midrange shot is one of the hardest in basketball.

I think Green might be too consistent with his mechanics which means he can't alter his shot in the least and be able to hit. As I mentioned, he rarely seems to hit a shot moving left or right or with kind of hitch if there's a defender coming at him. But I do think this has to do with his form and his release. He has a wide ranger of motion which imo, means he has to get a lot more right than someone that shoots a more compact shot. If you watch, Green jumps fairly high and releases the ball high over his head while Curry lets it go lower and from the side. And on an open shot, doesn't jump high or extend his arms much at all.

[Dre_7]

right. he was terrible in cleveland, and virtually everywhere else.

:lmao :lmao He played a whole 20 games in Cleveland.

Haters always try to grasp at straws will foolish arguments.

[SAGirl]

good article for the Danny fan.
If there is a church of green it should be there but I don't know if there is, though I warned you it's more a fandom article than anything very substantial
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[RD2191]

:lmao

[RD2191]

Green and Mills are fucking bums. TBH.

[RD2191]

Okay, so we all agree that Danny Green and Patty Mills are useless trash?

[TheGreatYacht]

Anyone who defends D-League airball is retarded and obviously isn't worth arguing with. Their last watched Spurs game was probably 4 years ago

[RD2191]

I'm just here so I don't get fined. :wakeup

[RD2191]

Anyone who defends D-League airball is retarded and obviously isn't worth arguing with. Their last watched Spurs game was probably 4 years ago

But but transition defense :cry :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Anyone who defends D-League airball is retarded and obviously isn't worth arguing with. Their last watched Spurs game was probably 4 years ago
Referring to Porker as "D-League" is an insult to the D-League, tbh.

[Ice009]

I'm not sure I agree with that 100%. I think every shooter has an optimal range. When I was playing (back in the day), it was easier for me to hit a 3 pointer from outside the top of the key than something around 15 feet. Because I could use my whole range of motion and not have to worry about holding back on the strength of the shot. Imo, the midrange shot is one of the hardest in basketball.

I think Green might be too consistent with his mechanics which means he can't alter his shot in the least and be able to hit. As I mentioned, he rarely seems to hit a shot moving left or right or with kind of hitch if there's a defender coming at him. But I do think this has to do with his form and his release. He has a wide ranger of motion which imo, means he has to get a lot more right than someone that shoots a more compact shot. If you watch, Green jumps fairly high and releases the ball high over his head while Curry lets it go lower and from the side. And on an open shot, doesn't jump high or extend his arms much at all.

Yeah, you've got some good points there. I should also have added that I don't have a picture perfect form (not as bad as Bonner though), so I found it easier inside the 3 point line. An open shot inside the 3 point line was almost like an open layup to me (obviously not as easy as an open layup, but not too far off).

Reggie Miller used to be one of my favorite shooters back in the day and he also had an unorthodox form. lol, that was such a long time ago. I hate the guy now because of all the shit talking he's done about the Spurs during broadcasts. I loved him as a player and shooter back in the day, though.

[SpursforSix]

Yeah, you've got some good points there. I should also have added that I don't have a picture perfect form (not as bad as Bonner though), so I found it easier inside the 3 point line. An open shot inside the 3 point line was almost like an open layup to me (obviously not as easy as an open layup, but not too far off).

Reggie Miller used to be one of my favorite shooters back in the day and he also had an unorthodox form. lol, that was such a long time ago. I hate the guy now because of all the shit talking he's done about the Spurs during broadcasts. I loved him as a player and shooter back in the day, though.

Man...I used to hate Miller at first but I ended up having a lot of respect for him. It seems like he gets forgotten but he carried those Pacers teams. He's one of the great all time shooters. Did you catch "Miller Time"? That might be my favorite 30 for 30.

[RD2191]

:wakeup

[TheGreatYacht]

Anyone who defends D-League airball is retarded and obviously isn't worth arguing with. Their last watched Spurs game was probably 4 years ago
D-League's pumpers sure are quiet today

[dbreiden83080]

I'd so trade LMA without a thought

He's just so soft.

[RD2191]

:bobo

[RD2191]

BOLD ME

[TheGreatYacht]

Manure at the top of the list

[RD2191]

:wakeup:wakeup

[RD2191]

Hopefully Kawhi dumps these faggots

[cjw]

Too bad there aren't 2 way contracts with the D League yet. Would let Spurs develop Forbes while having that last roster spot filled by someone useful.

[RD2191]

:wakeup

[midnightpulp]

The entire backcourt rotation.

[TheGreatYacht]

Manure is #1 on this list

[Budkin]

The entire backcourt rotation.

Biggest weakness. Gonna cost us big time in playoffs.

[Mikeanaro]

Add Porkerio please niggie.

[Hoops Czar]

It's just one game, the entire brick court will be fine.

[TheGreatYacht]

It's just one game, the entire brick court will be fine.
:lmao

[weeks]

We backed into the 2013 playoffs too...but we also had a healthy Duncan and more dangerous big three..
This is one of the most fraudulent spurs teams ever.

[barbacoataco]

I think Aldridge's crappy play is the #1 thing holding back the Spurs this year. Think about it-- their biggest weakness is a lack of credible #2 scoring option over Leonard. That is Aldridge's role. He has been in a shooting slump all year. He is capable of playing defense at times, but can often be lackadaisical. Overall he needs to be more of a force to take some pressure off Leonard. I predict that the Spurs only have success in the playoffs if he ups his game.

[Thomas82]

I think Aldridge's crappy play is the #1 thing holding back the Spurs this year. Think about it-- their biggest weakness is a lack of credible #2 scoring option over Leonard. That is Aldridge's role. He has been in a shooting slump all year. He is capable of playing defense at times, but can often be lackadaisical. Overall he needs to be more of a force to take some pressure off Leonard. I predict that the Spurs only have success in the playoffs if he ups his game.

Mike Taylor said on The ticket this morning that Aldridge is never going to be a star for the Spurs, and that Spurs fans need to lower their expectations for him.

[SpursforSix]

and that Spurs fans need to lower their expectations for him.

Done. What's next?

[dabom]

Done. What's next?

Keep going.

[Thomas82]

Done. What's next?

For me personally, I don't expect much of anything......that way I don't have to worry about being disappointed.

[RD2191]

Yeah, LMA's 17 PPG aren't going to cut it with such a weak back court. Parker is hit or miss on any given night and Green has always been offensively challenged. I just don't think we have the offense to win it all this season. If Kawhi has a bad night we're pretty much screwed. Compare that to a team like the dubs which have 3 lethal scorers starting. One has a bad night and another steps up, we don't have the luxury. I could honestly see us losing in the 2nd round to the clips or roxs. Teams like the jazz/grizz don't scare me because we can win grind it out low scoring games, it's the high scoring teams that worry me.

[Ice009]

Looks like I underestimated Danny's poor shooting in this thread. He's gotten a lot worse since I posted my thoughts on his shooting. He's now a piss poor shooter. No great/elite shooter shoots this badly, especially on open looks.

Kawhi's 3 point shooting has gone down the toilet too.

Right now, Gasol is the guy I trust most to make an open 3. Mills and Manu would be a distant second.

[RD2191]

LMA
Danny Green
Patty Mills
Pau Gasol


Who am I missing?

:lol

[RD2191]

LMA
Danny Green
Patty Mills
Pau Gasol


Who am I missing?
:wakeup

[buttsR4rebounding]

Tony Parker

[TimDunkem]

Anyone who doesn't think Mills, LMA, Green, and Gasol are dead weight don't know basketball.

[SAGirl]

LMA
Danny Green
Patty Mills
Pau Gasol


Who am I missing?
The top 3 in that list probably will not be back.
Pau might be back though.

[TimDunkem]

There all coming back, tbh. Mills will be the only FA PG to take a discount for us. :lmao

[SAGirl]

There all coming back, tbh. Mills will be the only FA PG to take a discount for us. :lmao
that's sad Tim...
you are depressing me. :depressed

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[TimDunkem]

that's sad Tim...
you are depressing me. :depressed

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Can't wait until Hill is signed here for 25 mill+. :lol

[SAGirl]

Can't wait until Hill is signed here for 25 mill+. :lol
I like Hill enough... at least I watched him with the Jazz and he was a very good player...
that is the going rate for him... so it is what it is.. unless you prefer to retain LMA and Danny and Mills and probably have Mills start the season...

[TimDunkem]

I like Hill enough... at least I watched him with the Jazz and he was a very good player...
that is the going rate for him... so it is what it is.. unless you prefer to retain LMA and Danny and Mills and probably have Mills start the season...
Personally, I wouldn't for 25 mill. That's just me though.

Mills can fuck off too. Lol

[callo1]

Don't want Hill...too pricey, and we already have Dejounte=pass

[Ice009]

Can't wait until Hill is signed here for 25 mill+. :lol

Two years ago, I wouldn't have given Hill half of that. I don't even know what to think about these crazy contract numbers.

Any player the Spurs sign that they're going to give more money than Kawhi, better for darn sure be in Kawhi's vicinity as a player. You don't pay someone more than Kawhi that isn't anywhere near him as a player. Gordan Hayward I would be OK with paying around that price, but not sure about getting Hill even a discount price of anything over 20 million.

[TheGreatYacht]

LMA
Danny Green
Patty Mills
Pau Gasol


Who am I missing?
Manure Turnobili and the scoreless playoff series he brings