Is Murray Ready?

[PopTheGOAT]

B2B impressive performances with Parker out. Is he ready for full time minutes? Rookie mistakes are gonna happen but he has show the ability to make an impact in limited action. Thoughts?

[TheGreatYacht]

Great PG depth with Murray, Parker, and Manu :tu

[sasaint]

He will be the starter sooner than many expect.

[midnightpulp]

He has to be. We're not beating GS with a backcourt rotation that consists of a gimpy Parker (probable) and a 5'8" shooting guard.

[TXstbobcat]

Two really good performances in a row for Murray. I think he has earned a chance to get more minutes.

[urunobili]

Starting to believe in the kid

[cd98]

He had a good game, but the Cavs were giving him shots. If he keeps hitting them, teams will put a higher priority on him. Kudos for showing up on national tv though. This game showed me that Parker is still our only guard I trust handling the ball down the stretch. The other guys' handles looked shaky.

[BatManu20]

He's the future, but not yet. Should def get more minutes though. He's our only player outside of Kawhi who can break down a defense off the dribble, and that's huge for us. This team needs that in a bad way.

[Seventyniner]

He's closer than I thought. But he'll have a slump eventually, hopefully he gets enough minutes to get through it.

[100%duncan]

Parker and Murray, penetrators who can get theirs are a necessity against the Cavs and the Warriors.

[HarlemHeat37]

Potential looks great, but I'd be shocked if Pop plays him real playoff minutes,tbh..

[PopTheGOAT]

He's closer than I thought. But he'll have a slump eventually, hopefully he gets enough minutes to get through it.
Yeah he's closer than I thought as well. I was thinking 2-3 yrs away but it may happen as early as next year

[TXstbobcat]

I hope he gets the start on Monday in Brooklyn. Really excited to see this kid play more minutes.

[PopTheGOAT]

Potential looks great, but I'd be shocked if Pop plays him real playoff minutes,tbh..
Yeah I don't see it this year. Tbh I'd play him tho. I wanna believe otherwise, but realistically this team has a WCF finals ceiling. Why not give the potential future star a chance to grow?

[jARS mEsH sEt]

:lmao @ how quick low IQ spurs fans are at jumping the gun. He's played two good games with opposing teams thinking he's a nobody. You can't possibly say he's "ready" based on something as menial as that.

Jonathon Simmons had a comparable if not more impressive stretch than Murray and look at how he's fizzled out.

[PopTheGOAT]

:lmao @ how quick low IQ spurs fans are at jumping the gun. He's played two good games with opposing teams thinking he's a nobody. You can't possibly say he's "ready" based on something as menial as that.

Jonathon Simmons had a comparable if not more impressive stretch than Murray and look at how he's fizzled out.
Ready for backup minutes, not starter. Calling people low IQ when you completely misinterpret the post :lol

[spursistan]

he is way ahead of schedule if you ask me..Unfortunately, Poop is going down with the old and washed per fuckin par...

You will see him in a cameo when this fuckin team is down 3-1 to the Clippers in the second round after seeing enough of CP3/Austin RiveRS shitting on Porky and Paddy House..:sleep

[ducks]

He scored on james

[Mnky]

It doesn't matter if you scouted him or not..he scored by breaking the defense down. He attacked and they couldn't do anything to stop him even when they started 5 ft back and dared him to shoot.

To be a star, he has to make them regret stepping back and learn how to consistently shoot that open shot efficiently.

[sasaint]

HarlemHeat37, Parker seems increasingly gimpy. I don't think Pop will have a choice.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

He's winning me over WAY more quickly than I thought possible.

[TXstbobcat]

I'm not a Paker hater but I am a excited about Murray as the point guard of the future for the Spurs after his play the past 2 games.

[cd98]

A lot of guys in this league get little hot streaks until other teams get tapes and start game planning to stop them. Step 1 is getting teams to care and it looks like Murray is starting to do that. But teams will gameplan and then guys on hot streaks will have bad games. The question is can a player adjust to how teams gameplan for them.Thats the next step and it can take a few years for that to happen. LeBron has credited the Spurs with helping him to get better after seeing what shots they took away and the ones they made him take early in his career.

[cd98]

He scored on james

He did, but James was giving him shots and helping double team. Murray still had to make them, but LeBron wasn't guarding him like he guarded Kawhi in the 4th quarter.

[Chinook]

I liked that he was aggressive on D versus Irving but wasn't fouling. That was huge. This was a game where he made shots he probably won't be able to make consistently against NBA defenses (whereas in the DEN game, he can have those shots provided his three-point stroke is real). But you can never overrate a rookie who is able to have a great game under the brightest lights.

I don't think the Spurs should rush Parker back. Tony should get periodic rest periods anyway, as should Manu. Parker tends to have a good spurt after resting, so just keep doing that and see how much of DeJounte's game is consistently transferable. If he's really this guy at the ASB, you have to consider how to get him in the rotation full-time.

[PopTheGOAT]

It doesn't matter if you scouted him or not..he scored by breaking the defense down. He attacked and they couldn't do anything to stop him even when they started 5 ft back and dared him to shoot.

To be a star, he has to make them regret stepping back and learn how to consistently shoot that open shot efficiently.
Yeah he needs a midrange. I'd like to see an at least avg 3 point shot though. A step back midrange like Kyrie is what he should work on though. Respect he drive, get crossed for a midrange jumper

[sasaint]

To me Murray looks at least as ready as Tony did in 2001-02 when Pop gave him the keys.

[HankChinaski]

He has looked good these last two games. The gradual increase in playing time has been nice. He is showing the potential to be a solid pickup.

[KDKSpurs24]

:lmao @ how quick low IQ spurs fans are at jumping the gun. He's played two good games with opposing teams thinking he's a nobody. You can't possibly say he's "ready" based on something as menial as that.

Jonathon Simmons had a comparable if not more impressive stretch than Murray and look at how he's fizzled out.
Dude.. a lot of players already know who he is anyways since he has been around Jamal Crawford and other NBA players. And also he was basically being cocky each time he scored in the game. Usually players would play harder just to shut him up but they could still barely stop him. He made mistakes but that is expected. He's ready. The confidence is there.

[TheDoctor]

Murray ready for the starting spot? I don't think so. Pop evidently still don't trust him to close out crucial games.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Ready for backup minutes, not starter. Calling people low IQ when you completely misinterpret the post :lol


:lol @ your stupid fucking straw man. Do you realize that attacking a straw man is literally the worst incarnation of misinterpreting someone's post? Like you couldn't have possibly done worse than that.

Point out where I called someone low IQ because I misinterpreted their post as suggesting Murray be a starter. Give one example of where I used the term "starter" in my initial post in this thread. Oh wait you fucking can't because I never fucking said that you stupid fucking room temperature IQ moron :lmao

[jbspurs]

It doesn't matter if you scouted him or not..he scored by breaking the defense down. He attacked and they couldn't do anything to stop him even when they started 5 ft back and dared him to shoot.

To be a star, he has to make them regret stepping back and learn how to consistently shoot that open shot efficiently.


I agree, He already got the quickness to break down defense, just need to develop his mid range. As long as Pop gives him chance to play meaningful minutes, then he will be ready sooner than later. Another gem ready to shine!

[TD 21]

I don't know; too soon to say. But even if it becomes clear that it's deserved, he's not going to be a rotation player when healthy. Simmons' spot is most tenuous, but Pop would probably go to Anderson first if he falters.

But as far as next season, I'm beginning to think he's going to be ready to at least compete for a rotation spot, so if Mills is re-signed, they might not need a Teodosic type.

[Kawhitstorm]

Potential looks great, but I'd be shocked if Pop plays him real playoff minutes,tbh..

Kyle would have to be the hero again & take out Porker for that to happen.

[MultiTroll]

B2B impressive performances with Parker out. Is he ready for full time minutes? Rookie mistakes are gonna happen but he has show the ability to make an impact in limited action. Thoughts?
Less mistakes then Parker.

[DMC]

If we can get Anderson and Murray on the floor together, the arena should play "One Night in Bangkok", by Murray Head.

[PopTheGOAT]

:lol @ your stupid fucking straw man. Do you realize that attacking a straw man is literally the worst incarnation of misinterpreting someone's post? Like you couldn't have possibly done worse than that.

Point out where I called someone low IQ because I misinterpreted their post as suggesting Murray be a starter. Give one example of where I used the term "starter" in my initial post in this thread. Oh wait you fucking can't because I never fucking said that you stupid fucking room temperature IQ moron :lmao
Who tf shit in your cheerios dude? Don't know who tf you are but you appear to be a piece of shit. Talk Spurs or gtfoh

[sananspursfan21]

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Awwww too late.

[tmtcsc]

B2B impressive performances with Parker out. Is he ready for full time minutes? Rookie mistakes are gonna happen but he has show the ability to make an impact in limited action. Thoughts?

Young fella is proving me wrong and I love it. I hope Pop continues to give him opportunities.

[MaNu4Tres]

Yes hes ready for a role, but theres no role available unless Pop sits Mills -- which he wont. ( hes not sitting Parker).

He'll be the back up PG next year or he should be. Hell he might be the starting PG a year from now.

[dabom]

misread you there. :lol

[Arcadian]

He has arrived. This team is deep as fuck.

[SpurPadre]

He has arrived. This team is deep as fuck.

Yeah but we could use more help at the wing once Pau comes back. Do not trust Simmons and especially Kyle against the best tbh.

[UZER]

He should start next year with TP of the bench. As well throw him into the fire like he did with Parker.

[Spurtacular]

I'd take Murray over Simmons. Pop put JS in the garbage time vs. Denver, and the dude was sh** every time he touched the ball. Almost blew the spread for me.

[Spurtacular]

He should start next year with TP of the bench. As well throw him into the fire like he did with Parker.

Mills would start before Murray. He's paid his dues; and he's the better option at this point, anyways.

[apalisoc_9]

It remains to be seen how much effective he can be without a Leonard and Aldridge taking attention.

His best games so far have both been spent playing with Aldirdge and Leonard.

[will_spurs]

Mills would start before Murray. He's paid his dues; and he's the better option at this point, anyways.

No, whatever, and no.

[Spurtacular]

No, whatever, and no.

Well, I hope I'm wrong for what it's worth. Though, you're either being rather arrogant or have seen more than I have so far to be so sure.

[100%duncan]

It remains to be seen how much effective he can be without a Leonard and Aldridge taking attention.

His best games so far have both been spent playing with Aldirdge and Leonard.

Why would he need to? He's always going to have the 2 by his side at least for his rookie contract

[will_spurs]

Well, I hope I'm wrong for what it's worth. Though, you're either being rather arrogant or have seen more than I have so far to be so sure.

Mills has had plenty of opportunities to show that he is not a PG, has never been, will never be. Why some posters actually mention Mills in a PG discussion is beyond me. The Spurs PG rotation is not Parker/Mills but Parker/Manu.

It's too early to say that Murray is good enough to be Parker's replacement. But if he's not, Mills certainly isn't the guy. So the future Spurs PG is either Murray, or somebody who isn't yet on the roster. That's why I'd rather have Murray get as many minutes as possible as early as possible, so that we know what's what as soon as possible. That's the silver lining of Parker's injury, and hopefully a blessing in disguise.

[cutewizard]

This boy is becoming a man.......right before our eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Omg, watch out NBA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cutewizard]

Guys, cant you be happy even for one instant, we beat the Cavs!!!!

bragging rights gentlemen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh fuck, im so happppppppppppppppppyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh shit, lol!:claw

[Spurtacular]

Mills has had plenty of opportunities to show that he is not a PG, has never been, will never be. Why some posters actually mention Mills in a PG discussion is beyond me. The Spurs PG rotation is not Parker/Mills but Parker/Manu.

It's too early to say that Murray is good enough to be Parker's replacement. But if he's not, Mills certainly isn't the guy. So the future Spurs PG is either Murray, or somebody who isn't yet on the roster. That's why I'd rather have Murray get as many minutes as possible as early as possible, so that we know what's what as soon as possible. That's the silver lining of Parker's injury, and hopefully a blessing in disguise.

Why posters try to claim Mills is not a PG is beyond me. Yes, he often plays more like a 2 guard (to an extent) when he's out there with Manu; but to call him not a PG is just silly. Just b/c he's not ball dominant like Parker or CoJo does not mean he is not a PG in any capacity. But maybe you have some nuanced definition of PG that I don't have.

The problem I have with Murray at starting PG is not whether he is good enough. My problem is that I haven't seen him make others better to justify that type of promotion. It's too small a sample size though, and I'm not trying to make any declarative assertions either way. But I did not see most of the Den/Cle games yet either; that would help to shape my outlook better still yet.

[cutewizard]

We have a positive problem, we got three good point guards, hehe

At least we are better off than most teams

Look at New York, look at that team, poor Knicks, lol

[jermaine]

You guys act like he hasn't already been playing against NBA talents... In the Summers with Crawford, an other NBA guys... No he's not a starter, but we see he's not scared. Everyone make mistakes.

[cutewizard]

Can Andre Miller be imported as a mentor to Murray??

Jus askin guys

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6msgu51faYA

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIeST5J0gbI

[r0drig0lac]

no doubt

[CGD]

He's surprised. Needs to tighten his handle a little though

[Old School 44]

He deserves a chance for some regular rotation minutes, but quite frankly I don't trust Pop to do it. This place will go apeshit when he gets nailed to the bench with "DNP coaches decision" with no explanation and no questions from the local media.

[tholdren]

He had a good game, but the Cavs were giving him shots. If he keeps hitting them, teams will put a higher priority on him. Kudos for showing up on national tv though. This game showed me that Parker is still our only guard I trust handling the ball down the stretch. The other guys' handles looked shaky.

I disliked the Murray pick, but I was also at the game, the "Cavs giving him shots" is totally false. He finished contested shots in the paint and attacked the rim which is exactly what SA needs. He made a dumb decision to turn his back to the basket dribbling and got it stolen, but that wasn't as stupid as KL picked up dribble in a trap spot in the final seconds of the game.

Danny Green is worthless, and Manu looks really old. Manu is my favorite Spur of all time, but some times it gets really ugly when he doesn't attack. I'm ready to see a healthy dose of Bertans and Murray.


Coaching was abysmal last night.

[SAGirl]

I liked that he was aggressive on D versus Irving but wasn't fouling. That was huge. This was a game where he made shots he probably won't be able to make consistently against NBA defenses (whereas in the DEN game, he can have those shots provided his three-point stroke is real). But you can never overrate a rookie who is able to have a great game under the brightest lights.

I don't think the Spurs should rush Parker back. Tony should get periodic rest periods anyway, as should Manu. Parker tends to have a good spurt after resting, so just keep doing that and see how much of DeJounte's game is consistently transferable. If he's really this guy at the ASB, you have to consider how to get him in the rotation full-time.
This....all of this!

[picnroll]

He has an advanced transition game which should get him a few points against anyone. He can break down the defense and get to the basket selectively, Lee would feast off his misses. He'd give Curry fits trying to guard him.

[ceperez]

Yes, Murray is ready. I did not think he would be ready when he was drafted, but clearly he is ready.

He played and scored against the world champions, in a game with high intensity. He was composed and picked his opportunities. The guy has a natural talent for the game and his length is valuable at the point.

Anyone who thinks he isn't ready is a complete moron.

How about Kyle Anderson? No, he's not ready until he fixes his 3 point shot.

[ceperez]

You guys act like he hasn't already been playing against NBA talents... In the Summers with Crawford, an other NBA guys... No he's not a starter, but we see he's not scared. Everyone make mistakes.

Who do you think he was playing against in the last game? Those are the world champs, not some bottom dwelling team.

Those are the champs that locked up the Warriors last season. Their defense is no slouch.

[BillMc]

I liked that he was aggressive on D versus Irving but wasn't fouling. That was huge. This was a game where he made shots he probably won't be able to make consistently against NBA defenses (whereas in the DEN game, he can have those shots provided his three-point stroke is real). But you can never overrate a rookie who is able to have a great game under the brightest lights.

I don't think the Spurs should rush Parker back. Tony should get periodic rest periods anyway, as should Manu. Parker tends to have a good spurt after resting, so just keep doing that and see how much of DeJounte's game is consistently transferable. If he's really this guy at the ASB, you have to consider how to get him in the rotation full-time.

+1

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV97roslmt0

[CGD]

Think maybe they might trust him to start next season and live with the growing pains. Tbh they may not have a choice if patty gets a rich offer.

Trying to remember, when did they turn over the keys to Tony? Was it in Year 2? Remember they tried AD but that did t work out.

[024]

Murray at the very least should replace Simmons in the rotation next year. I don't think the Spurs will pay Simmons. If Patty leaves too, that'll give Murray an even larger role especially if Ginobili retires. At that point, the Spurs have no choice but to give Murray big minutes. Forbes is still hanging around on the team and might be thrown into the fire too. I rather give those two + Bertans a chance than lock up sizeable money on an old vet.

[CGD]

Murray at the very least should replace Simmons in the rotation next year. I don't think the Spurs will pay Simmons. If Patty leaves too, that'll give Murray an even larger role especially if Ginobili retires. At that point, the Spurs have no choice but to give Murray big minutes. Forbes is still hanging around on the team and might be thrown into the fire too. I rather give those two + Bertans a chance than lock up sizeable money on an old vet.

In this scenario (which I don't think is far fetched tbh) I think you treat next season like a rebuild. Then you can explore seeing what you can get for LMA.

[GSH]

I liked that he was aggressive on D versus Irving but wasn't fouling. That was huge. This was a game where he made shots he probably won't be able to make consistently against NBA defenses (whereas in the DEN game, he can have those shots provided his three-point stroke is real). But you can never overrate a rookie who is able to have a great game under the brightest lights.

I don't think the Spurs should rush Parker back. Tony should get periodic rest periods anyway, as should Manu. Parker tends to have a good spurt after resting, so just keep doing that and see how much of DeJounte's game is consistently transferable. If he's really this guy at the ASB, you have to consider how to get him in the rotation full-time.


Totally agree. He kicked ass in the D-League. He needs NBA minutes to improve. Parker needs to be fully healed, and not rush back. That seems like a way to get both things done.

Even though Murray had been playing very good, he wasn't getting many AST's. Last night he dished 6, which is damned solid. If it had been against the Nets, it would have been one thing. But against the Cavs, that's a legit step up.

[Harry Callahan]

Potential looks great, but I'd be shocked if Pop plays him real playoff minutes,tbh..

He may have to given Tony and Manu getting dinged a lot now. I like what I see. He is hard to deal with and I think will be better than the highly touted Russell and Mudiay from last years draft. Shoot, I like him better than the guy Denver drafted this year up high too.

[Harry Callahan]

Murray at the very least should replace Simmons in the rotation next year. I don't think the Spurs will pay Simmons. If Patty leaves too, that'll give Murray an even larger role especially if Ginobili retires. At that point, the Spurs have no choice but to give Murray big minutes. Forbes is still hanging around on the team and might be thrown into the fire too. I rather give those two + Bertans a chance than lock up sizeable money on an old vet.

I think either Patty or Simmons stays just to keep experience in the system. You have to pay somebody. The Manu, Tony salaries are gone soon as well.

[PopTheGOAT]

Spurs just need to get Murray rolling before LMA is incapable of being the no. 2/3 option

[8FOR!3]

He deserves a chance for some regular rotation minutes, but quite frankly I don't trust Pop to do it. This place will go apeshit when he gets nailed to the bench with "DNP coaches decision" with no explanation and no questions from the local media.

Questions from the local media? Probably bc they don't want to get yelled at for "trying to do Pop's job"

[BillMc]

He has an advanced transition game which should get him a few points against anyone..

Agreed. He has such a nice transition game that I'd love to be in practice and watch Murray vs Green transition o vs d. That'd be fun.

[MultiTroll]

but he has show the ability to make an impact in limited action. Thoughts?
Is Pop ready?

[Strategic]

Only if Parker or Mills have injuries will be get much burn this year.

[td4mvp21]

Not sure but he should be getting steady minutes. I'd like for him to start until Parker gets back and then eat Patty's minutes, assuming Murray continues to impress.

[cd98]

I disliked the Murray pick, but I was also at the game, the "Cavs giving him shots" is totally false. He finished contested shots in the paint and attacked the rim which is exactly what SA needs. He made a dumb decision to turn his back to the basket dribbling and got it stolen, but that wasn't as stupid as KL picked up dribble in a trap spot in the final seconds of the game.

Danny Green is worthless, and Manu looks really old. Manu is my favorite Spur of all time, but some times it gets really ugly when he doesn't attack. I'm ready to see a healthy dose of Bertans and Murray.


Coaching was abysmal last night.

In the half court, Murray spent all his time on the weak side and never saw the ball after bringing it up. On the weak side, Cavs were about 5 feet away. Again, it's the weak side so defenders to give some space, but less so to shooters like Patty and Green that saw almost no space on the weak side. The one time Murray did get a pass in the half court, LeBron gave him 5 feet of space and Murray got a floater up before LeBron could get there. It was a nice shot, but if he's been Kawhi, he wouldn't of had that kind of space.

in the second quarter he had some nice one player fast breaks. Sure he got them on Kyrie and Love, two bad defenders, but impressive nonetheless. His play in the open court was his pro skill coming into the league, so he uses his dribbling ability and length to finish before defenses get set. Tony used to do the same, but with speed, but I'm not sure Parker has that gear.

Of note, after he scored on Kyrie and pulled that stare down act, Kyrie scored 5 straight points on him and then picked his pocket in the open court and lopped to Thompson for a dunk. That led to the bench. He got benched again after he got picked by Shumpert. That sums up where he is now. If he gets in the open court, he's at his best. If he can hit open shots like he did against the Nuggets, he can carve out a role. But getting picked off twice in the open court leading to dunks will get you benched. If he is not reliable in bringing the ball up, he won't get minutes in crunch time. Until he cleans that up and changes his attitude about his competitors, he'll be well behind Parker and Mills in any important game or crunch time.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV97roslmt0

:lol :lol :lol well played

[MaNu4Tres]

In the half court, Murray spent all his time on the weak side and never saw the ball after bringing it up. On the weak side, Cavs were about 5 feet away. Again, it's the weak side so defenders to give some space, but less so to shooters like Patty and Green that saw almost no space on the weak side. The one time Murray did get a pass in the half court, LeBron gave him 5 feet of space and Murray got a floater up before LeBron could get there. It was a nice shot, but if he's been Kawhi, he wouldn't of had that kind of space.

in the second quarter he had some nice one player fast breaks. Sure he got them on Kyrie and Love, two bad defenders, but impressive nonetheless. His play in the open court was his pro skill coming into the league, so he uses his dribbling ability and length to finish before defenses get set. Tony used to do the same, but with speed, but I'm not sure Parker has that gear.

Of note, after he scored on Kyrie and pulled that stare down act, Kyrie scored 5 straight points on him and then picked his pocket in the open court and lopped to Thompson for a dunk. That led to the bench. He got benched again after he got picked by Shumpert. That sums up where he is now. If he gets in the open court, he's at his best. If he can hit open shots like he did against the Nuggets, he can carve out a role. But getting picked off twice in the open court leading to dunks will get you benched. If he is not reliable in bringing the ball up, he won't get minutes in crunch time. Until he cleans that up and changes his attitude about his competitors, he'll be well behind Parker and Mills in any important game or crunch time.

Just try to find anything you can to turn into a negative when the kid goes for 24 and 14 in back to back games shooting over 65% and impressing everyone, including national media.

You're pretty pathetic.

[apalisoc_9]

In the half court, Murray spent all his time on the weak side and never saw the ball after bringing it up. On the weak side, Cavs were about 5 feet away. Again, it's the weak side so defenders to give some space, but less so to shooters like Patty and Green that saw almost no space on the weak side. The one time Murray did get a pass in the half court, LeBron gave him 5 feet of space and Murray got a floater up before LeBron could get there. It was a nice shot, but if he's been Kawhi, he wouldn't of had that kind of space.

in the second quarter he had some nice one player fast breaks. Sure he got them on Kyrie and Love, two bad defenders, but impressive nonetheless. His play in the open court was his pro skill coming into the league, so he uses his dribbling ability and length to finish before defenses get set. Tony used to do the same, but with speed, but I'm not sure Parker has that gear.

Of note, after he scored on Kyrie and pulled that stare down act, Kyrie scored 5 straight points on him and then picked his pocket in the open court and lopped to Thompson for a dunk. That led to the bench. He got benched again after he got picked by Shumpert. That sums up where he is now. If he gets in the open court, he's at his best. If he can hit open shots like he did against the Nuggets, he can carve out a role. But getting picked off twice in the open court leading to dunks will get you benched. If he is not reliable in bringing the ball up, he won't get minutes in crunch time. Until he cleans that up and changes his attitude about his competitors, he'll be well behind Parker and Mills in any important game or crunch time.

You're missing whole plot of Player development.

19 year olds make mistakes, actually, they make tons of them snd they are naturally going to look incompetent in many areas. The point of evaluating 19-20 year olds is to realize the damage they can do on the court and work on some apparent weaknesses.

As a 20 year old 29th pick, he's got an impressive burst that can provide San Antonio with that needed penetration gravity as Parker declines even more...

It was an impreesive game simply for the reason that he was able to show his talents in a tightly contested game against a top team.

Of course he got scored by Kyire. Kyrie is like the best one on one PG in the league. He scores like 2 or three straight on virtually every guard in the league. Can't expect a rookie to stop that. :lol

[LaMarcus Bryant]

anybody got video clip of Dejounte mean muggin Irving???

[apalisoc_9]

People should really concentrate more on Strenghts and potential when talking about rookies. It's alwayd going to be about what they can potentially provide for their respective teams. :lol

Unless you're Micheal Jordan, Tim Duncan or Lebron James..Your first year is going to ve riddled with shitty games and a lot of apparebt weaknesses..Weaknesss that will fade as players progress with their careers.

That's why an open mind, character and hard work is importabt when recruiting rookies as cliche as that sounds. Anderson was picked for having character and Murray and Leonard are both hard working guys.

[GSH]

You're missing whole plot of Player development.

19 year olds make mistakes, actually, they make tons of them snd they are naturally going to look incompetent in many areas. The point of evaluating 19-20 year olds is to realize the damage they can do on the court and work on some apparent weaknesses.

As a 20 year old 29th pick, he's got an impressive burst that can provide San Antonio with that needed penetration gravity as Parker declines even more...

It was an impreesive game simply for the reason that he was able to show his talents in a tightly contested game against a top team.

Of course he got scored by Kyire. Kyrie is like the best one on one PG in the league. He scores like 2 or three straight on virtually every guard in the league. Can't expect a rookie to stop that. :lol


Tony was the 28th pick, and was starting on this team at 19. If I remember right, the night he won his first championship he was still 20, because he wasn't old enough to legally go to a club and drink after the game.

And, yeah, if having Kyrie Irving score on you meant that you aren't NBA-ready, there would be a lot of empty rosters around the league.

[SAGirl]

^^^ Definitely. It will be interesting to see what Pop does after this stint... about the banter he had with other players allegedly.. I admit I missed it.

[apalisoc_9]

Tony was the 28th pick, and was starting on this team at 19. If I remember right, the night he won his first championship he was still 20, because he wasn't old enough to legally go to a club and drink after the game.

And, yeah, if having Kyrie Irving score on you meant that you aren't NBA-ready, there would be a lot of empty rosters around the league.

Tony was more talented than Murray. Far more talented. Plus, teams didnt build their teams around perimter players in the early 2000. If Murray would start today, his responsibility and role would be much bigger because lf the style teams play today.

Ball handlers/creators are like the most vurneable position for rookies.

[cd98]

I'm just making an honest assessment. I'm not saying he can't be good down the road or that you can't be excited when he has a good scoring game. I'm just saying he's not ready to replace Parker or Mills anytime soon.

[spurraider21]

he's exceeded my expectations so far, that's for sure

dude needs to add to his frame and continue refining his shooting form, future is bright

[cd98]

Tony was the 28th pick, and was starting on this team at 19. If I remember right, the night he won his first championship he was still 20, because he wasn't old enough to legally go to a club and drink after the game.

And, yeah, if having Kyrie Irving score on you meant that you aren't NBA-ready, there would be a lot of empty rosters around the league.

Tony has big problems his first couple years in the league. He was also great in the open court bc he was fast, but in the playoffs, teams would pack the paint and give him the jumper and he became useless. In fact, Murray is a better outside shooter than Parker was. But Parker didn't have a Mills or Parker on the roster when he was a rookie. So he played, but held the Spurs back until he got that midrange and the floater.

I only added the Kyrie part bc I'm sure Pop was peeved about him giving Kyrie a reason to score 50.

[SpurPadre]

Tony has big problems his first couple years in the league. He was also great in the open court bc he was fast, but in the playoffs, teams would pack the paint and give him the jumper and he became useless. In fact, Murray is a better outside shooter than Parker was. But Parker didn't have a Mills or Parker on the roster when he was a rookie. So he played, but held the Spurs back until he got that midrange and the floater.

I only added the Kyrie part bc I'm sure Pop was peeved about him giving Kyrie a reason to score 50.

TP did have Speedy Claxton, who bailed his ass out in '03, tbh.

[BillMc]

:lol :lol :lol well played
:toast

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[boutons_deux]

TP did have Speedy Claxton, who bailed his ass out in '03, tbh.

Speedy didn't play most of that season, while TP carried the PG load. TP was so good that there were people mentioning Tony as FMVP.

Speedy hit a couple shots late in one playoff game, then disappeared from the league. Tony when on starting for 10+ years.

[lefty]

Much better than Porker tbh

[dabom]

Tony with his usual disappearing act. :lmao

[NameLess Scrub]

I liked that he was aggressive on D versus Irving but wasn't fouling. That was huge. This was a game where he made shots he probably won't be able to make consistently against NBA defenses (whereas in the DEN game, he can have those shots provided his three-point stroke is real). But you can never overrate a rookie who is able to have a great game under the brightest lights.

I don't think the Spurs should rush Parker back. Tony should get periodic rest periods anyway, as should Manu. Parker tends to have a good spurt after resting, so just keep doing that and see how much of DeJounte's game is consistently transferable. If he's really this guy at the ASB, you have to consider how to get him in the rotation full-time.

Agreed. Maybe the amount of lesser teams in the league helps assess him.

I love what he did with the Cavs. Considering it's a top team, we can't help but be excited for the kid.
Just don't want to get hopes too much up

[gambit1990]

how was tony's MRI? is he out tonight too?

[dabom]

how was tony's MRI? is he out tonight too?

Will kawhi hit 50 today? :lol

[140]

TP did have Speedy Claxton, who bailed his ass out in '03, tbh.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzxiyu8Btb1qj3i85.gif

[140]

Tony with his usual disappearing act. :lmao
:lol

[Blake]

His getting in the lane is great but I still don't trust his ball handling and outside shooting come playoff crunch time.


I do like Pop throwing him into the starting lineup. It's like pushing him into the pool

[gambit1990]

Will kawhi hit 50 today? :lol
:lol

[GSH]

Speedy didn't play most of that season, while TP carried the PG load. TP was so good that there were people mentioning Tony as FMVP.

Speedy hit a couple shots late in one playoff game, then disappeared from the league. Tony when on starting for 10+ years.



That's exactly right. But to be fair, they have a point. I mean, it's not like the Spurs have any other PG's as good as Speedy Claxton on the roster. I mean, if Murray found himself struggling in a game, the Spurs couldn't just go to their bench and find another player to come in and settle things down the way Speedy did in that game. :rolleyes


I'm not saying that Murray should take over as the starter - just that not many people thought that a 19 year-old Tony Parker was going to take the starting job away from Antonio Daniels at the beginning of the season. Hell, Daniels had played over 2,000 minutes the season before. The Spurs were pretty high on Tony back then, and I get the impression they're pretty high on Murray. I don't think it's out of the question for them to push him to see how he responds. And if he keeps playing like he has these last couple of games? Yeah, they could make a move with the future in mind.

[UZER]

If the spurs have that much faith in him, then start him next year. Tony off the bench would be an awesome one two punch.

[look_at_g_shred]

Sit Tony until the second half of the RRT

[unleashbaynes]

I'm cautiously optimistic. This kid can penetrate and finish. Very long for his position. Seems like a willing passer and has flashed decent court vision. Defended Kyrie pretty damn well. I was yelling for Pop to put him in while Patty was getting abused. Seems to have good mechanics on his shot, but it's not quite there yet. Time with Chip can help that.

Had a couple of dumb rookie things happen. Turned the ball over a few times, and not sure how well he can handle a trap or double team.


Pop never trusts rookies and he's let this kid start twice now. He cut Nico, who was playing nicely, to make room for him. That's the biggest sign to me. He is winning over the coaches.

[TheDoctor]

Sit Tony until the second half of the RRT

[Capt Bringdown]

Murray shit the bed tonight.

[GSH]

Murray shit the bed tonight.

We talked about it in the game thread. It's something pretty much all rookies have to go through. They came at him hard, and he just got overwhelmed. He's going to have to learn to see it coming, and make the right passes. Once he makes a couple of teams pay for over-committing on him, they'll quit.

But, yeah, this was not a good game for him.

[timtonymanu]

Meh, it happens. It's his reality check moment. He'll be fine.

[Mr. Body]

Every kid shits the bed. It's part of growing up.

[GSH]

Every kid shits the bed. It's part of growing up.


There's an image I wish I could erase from my brain.

[palangi]

But he still wasn't the turnover machine others tried to make him out to be.

[tonight...you]

I'm glad the worst team in the league handed him his lunch. Time to go back to work, young man...
Keep this game simple. Run the plays and attack when you see the good opening.

The main thing: Keep calm. Keep control of your dribble.

[MaNu4Tres]

Past 3 games:

Avg: 25 MPG - 14 points, 3.3 rebounds, 3.7 assists on 57% shooting, 43% from three and only 1.6 TOs.

Happy he had a small slice of humble pie tonight-- which is essential for growth.

Pretty impressive past week or so. Future is very bright.

[BanditHiro]

this performance had Pop written all over it...he suddenly stop attacking until the 4th and was generally not allowed to be involved with the offense for the first couple of quarters.

[Maddog]

Speedy didn't play most of that season, while TP carried the PG load. TP was so good that there were people mentioning Tony as FMVP.

Speedy hit a couple shots late in one playoff game, then disappeared from the league. Tony when on starting for 10+ years.


That's exactly right. But to be fair, they have a point. I mean, it's not like the Spurs have any other PG's as good as Speedy Claxton on the roster. I mean, if Murray found himself struggling in a game, the Spurs couldn't just go to their bench and find another player to come in and settle things down the way Speedy did in that game. :rolleyes


I'm not saying that Murray should take over as the starter - just that not many people thought that a 19 year-old Tony Parker was going to take the starting job away from Antonio Daniels at the beginning of the season. Hell, Daniels had played over 2,000 minutes the season before. The Spurs were pretty high on Tony back then, and I get the impression they're pretty high on Murray. I don't think it's out of the question for them to push him to see how he responds. And if he keeps playing like he has these last couple of games? Yeah, they could make a move with the future in mind.

To take this a bit farther-
2003 finals
TP 16, 21, 26, 3, 14, 4
SC 2, 5, 4, 10 3, 13

There is a fair amount of revisionist history about 2003. In Game 6 everybody remembers Jax 3 pointers in the second half, but forget the 6 turnovers in the first half.

It's a little unfair to compare Tony and Murray as Rookies, although similar in age. Tony had been playing at a much higher level prior to his rookie season. French league, National team, both Senior and Junior. I think he was also a bit more physically mature.
So far I'm cautiously optimistic. His size can allow him to be paired with Patty. Looks to be able to get into the paint. Shot needs work, but not horrible.

[GSH]

It's a little unfair to compare Tony and Murray as Rookies, although similar in age. Tony had been playing at a much higher level prior to his rookie season. French league, National team, both Senior and Junior. I think he was also a bit more physically mature.
So far I'm cautiously optimistic. His size can allow him to be paired with Patty. Looks to be able to get into the paint. Shot needs work, but not horrible.

Fair point about the experience Tony had before coming to the Spurs. I'm not so sure about the physical maturity. I could look at some old pictures, but my memory of Tony is of a skinny kid, a lot like Murray. Murray is taller, so he may be a little skinnier.

I know better than to read too much into Pop's personnel moves. But if he's just trying to get Murray some minutes to improve, it seems like coming off the bench would be the way to go. You have to at least wonder if he sees starter's genes there, and he's throwing him into the deep end to force him to swim. It does sort of remind me of some of the stories Tony and Pop have told about Tony's first year or two.

[picnroll]

I think the starting lineup of Aldridge, Dedmon, Anderson and Green put too much pressure on Murray. He needs to be weened in with Manu or Kawhi on the floor with him unless it's garbage time.

[dabom]

Murray being a 2 takes away his strengths.

[elemento]

Not ready, but i'm happy with his floater (it's absolutely money) and his 3p development. There are only a few players in the NBA with that 1st step. It's special

[dabom]

Not ready, but i'm happy with his floater (it's absolutely money) and his 3p development. There are only a few players in the NBA with that 1st step. It's special

Since drafting him, I said his first step is elite even for the NBA level.

[100%duncan]

Of course this guy is not starter ready :lol but he is ready as a back up on any team in this league

[elemento]

Since drafting him, I said his first step is elite even for the NBA level.

It definitely is.

[cd98]

But he still wasn't the turnover machine others tried to make him out to be. I didn't see the game so I don't know how he got his two turnovers in 20 minutes, but I will say that I've seen him get his pocket picked four times in the last few games. I can't remember the last time I've seen Tony get his pocket picked. He has to clean up his dribbling against pressure so he doesn't turn into Beno circa 2005 vs. Pistons in the playoffs.

[sasaint]

To take this a bit farther-
2003 finals
TP 16, 21, 26, 3, 14, 4
SC 2, 5, 4, 10 3, 13

There is a fair amount of revisionist history about 2003. In Game 6 everybody remembers Jax 3 pointers in the second half, but forget the 6 turnovers in the first half.

It's a little unfair to compare Tony and Murray as Rookies, although similar in age. Tony had been playing at a much higher level prior to his rookie season. French league, National team, both Senior and Junior. I think he was also a bit more physically mature.
So far I'm cautiously optimistic. His size can allow him to be paired with Patty. Looks to be able to get into the paint. Shot needs work, but not horrible.

Thank you for placing a few facts (respective points scored) on the table to shed some light on those 2003 finals. I would, however, like to add my two cents' worth to your discussion with GSH.

Perhaps there is a difference between experience and development . To my eyes (and recollection) Tony was experienced, but his game (particularly in the context of the NBA) was not particularly well developed. He was the fastest player getting to the basket off the dribble that I had seen up to that time. But he really only drove for layups. He had yet to develop the array of teardrops, floaters and sneaky interior moves that he employed in his prime. But on the 2002-03 Spurs, his primary responsibility was to pass the ball to Timmy in the post.

Murray, while not as fast as young Tony, has a stride to compensate. He already shows court vision that exceeds the young TP, and his overall athleticism allows him to rebound and play defense at a higher level. Let us not forget a 3-ball that Murray is developing at a much faster pace.

My take in comparing Tony and Dijon at similar ages is this: Tony undeniably had much more experience than Murray. But international experience twenty years ago was not the same as it is today, and I doubt that Tony's development correlates strongly to his experience. The dynamic player that Tony became in his prime was due more to the experience and development he got once he arrived in San Antonio. By contrast, due to a number of factors (including advancement of NCAA hoops over the last 20 years, development of the D-league, improved coaching [Chip?], and his own dedication), Murray's development seems to me to be more advanced than Tony's at a similar stage of NBA experience.

[cd98]

I don't think that Murray is better than Tony was when he came in, but rookie Tony and rookie Murray are different players. Tony was damn near unstoppable in the open court in his youth, even better than Murray, but he couldn't shoot to save his life (or the Spurs' playoff hopes his rookie year). I think it's hard to compare them. But the situations for both players are fairly different. Tony, as a rookie, only had Antonio Daniels, a career journeyman that had a few good years with the Spurs, but was by no means a veteran with championship experience. In fact, AD was always more of an athlete (he was an elite athlete) rather than a skilled point guard. The only other option was an ancient, ancient Terry Porter. But Murray has Parker, at 34, still a serviceable starting point guard with championship experience and an intricate knowledge of both Pop's offense and defensive schemes. Then, there is Mills, though a flawed "point guard" he is a great shooter with a specific role on a team that needs his 3 point shooting desperately. Both Parker and Mills make it easy for Pop play Murray here and there during the regular season and give him reps in the D-League with the plan that he will be a player for them in the future. If AD and Terry Porter at their ages were on the roster, Murray might be starting right now too.

[gambit1990]

tony is out again tonight. more PT for murray :tu

[Maddog]

http://www.nba.com/media/allstar2002/introokies1_254_020209.jpg

2002 Tony and Pau all star rookies

[Blake]

http://www.nba.com/media/allstar2002/introokies1_254_020209.jpg

2002 Tony and Pau all star rookies

Lol the frosted haircut

[elemento]

http://www.nba.com/media/allstar2002/introokies1_254_020209.jpg

2002 Tony and Pau all star rookies

lol @ Rebraca in the pic. I had completely forgotten he even existed. Good find :lol

[PopTheGOAT]

Is Pop ready?
Doubt it :rolleyes

[PopTheGOAT]

Murray being a 2 takes away his strengths.
I agree. I don't blame Pop for testing him out at the 2, but he's clearly a PG.

wanna see Murray blow by his man at the top of the key, get to the rim and FINISH. Dunk tf out of it.
It'd be refreshing to see that from a Spurs PG. I've seen the college highlights, I know he can do it.

[Chinook]

lol @ Rebraca in the pic. I had completely forgotten he even existed. Good find :lol

Was wondering who that last guy was.

[BillMc]

http://www.nba.com/media/allstar2002/introokies1_254_020209.jpg

2002 Tony and Pau all star rookies

Pau had guns back then.

[south side spur]

Murray being a 2 takes away his strengths.

Yeah if anything Murray and Mills need more time on the floor together since their game compliments each other.

[dabom]

Yeah if anything Murray and Mills need more time on the floor together since their game compliments each other.

Nah. :lol

[south side spur]

Nah. :lol

You don't think so? Mills is more of a 2 and Murray needs the ball in his hands so I think it would work. Pop has played them together before but that was only during garbage time. We'll see but I think they could work well together.

If you meant defensively they wouldn't work I can see that being an issue since Murray would possibly struggle defending wings but I like what I've seen so far when he gets in a switch and mismatch in the post. He'll at least fight and front

[Maddog]

You don't think so? Mills is more of a 2 and Murray needs the ball in his hands so I think it would work. Pop has played them together before but that was only during garbage time. We'll see but I think they could work well together.

If you meant defensively they wouldn't work I can see that being an issue since Murray would possibly struggle defending wings but I like what I've seen so far when he gets in a switch and mismatch in the post. He'll at least fight and front

I mentioned this above- I think long term this is intriguing and probably has the Spurs thinking. Mills is a FA but the Spurs have his Bird rights. He clearly does better as 2 (or maybe a 1.5?)
Manu is probably gone next year..
Forbes (hasn't shown anything yet) is too small to be a 2 so would also work out. Having a long player playing "point" allows you to use players who others may not utilize- such as undersized shooting guards

[Cklbmk]

Mills is gone due to Murrays play tbh

[Mr. Body]

I can see them keeping both. Especially since Parker's health will be a question and Ginobili is gone. Murray and Mills complement each other's skill sets.

[midnightpulp]

I can see them keeping both. Especially since Parker's health will be a question and Ginobili is gone. Murray and Mills complement each other's skill sets.

Indeed. House is a midget SG and needs a PG-type player alongside him so he can move off ball.

The only people who think otherwise are those with a hate-boner for Tony, thinking/hoping Murray will somehow win the starting position with House as his backup. Or vice-versa.

[PopTheGOAT]

11pts, some good rebounding, and a huge bucket in the clutch. Have a feeling he may have one of these :claw :lmabefore we know it :toast

[GSH]

Murray's play late in the game was definitely good for a rookie. That one shot he hit was clutch, and he wasn't the least bit afraid of being the one to take it. He's in at the end on defense.

I don't think he's up to being a starter-level NBA PG. But I really am starting to think he's being groomed for it.

[palangi]

I don't think that Murray is better than Tony was when he came in, but rookie Tony and rookie Murray are different players. Tony was damn near unstoppable in the open court in his youth, even better than Murray, but he couldn't shoot to save his life (or the Spurs' playoff hopes his rookie year). I think it's hard to compare them. But the situations for both players are fairly different. Tony, as a rookie, only had Antonio Daniels, a career journeyman that had a few good years with the Spurs, but was by no means a veteran with championship experience. In fact, AD was always more of an athlete (he was an elite athlete) rather than a skilled point guard. The only other option was an ancient, ancient Terry Porter. But Murray has Parker, at 34, still a serviceable starting point guard with championship experience and an intricate knowledge of both Pop's offense and defensive schemes. Then, there is Mills, though a flawed "point guard" he is a great shooter with a specific role on a team that needs his 3 point shooting desperately. Both Parker and Mills make it easy for Pop play Murray here and there during the regular season and give him reps in the D-League with the plan that he will be a player for them in the future. If AD and Terry Porter at their ages were on the roster, Murray might be starting right now too.

Of course you don't think Murray is as good parker was when he came in, because that would mean you have to own up to being wrong. And you're way to prideful to do that.

[palangi]

I didn't see the game so I don't know how he got his two turnovers in 20 minutes, but I will say that I've seen him get his pocket picked four times in the last few games. I can't remember the last time I've seen Tony get his pocket picked. He has to clean up his dribbling against pressure so he doesn't turn into Beno circa 2005 vs. Pistons in the playoffs.

Keep trying. We all know parker walks on water to you. But may is a better distributor, defender, and rebounder than parker right now.

[Cklbmk]

I can see them keeping both. Especially since Parker's health will be a question and Ginobili is gone. Murray and Mills complement each other's skill sets.


Then no Dedmon :(

Dont think we can keep Pattys cap hold and make an offer to Dedmon

[$pursDynasty]

Dijon was ok tonight but got a little rattled when the Raps blitzed him, not sure he is up for prolonged pressure yet but he is getting there and he isn't afraid to shoot

[pgardn]

Physically he needs to get stronger.

Experience at this level is really helping. He is not close to Parker speed wise at the same stage but he has more physical upside, especially on D.

Really looking forward to seeing more of him.

[YGWHI]

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/30/No_Fear_logo.png

:flag:

[TXstbobcat]

Dejounte Murray now 6-0 as a starter... last guy to start with that many wins as PG... Tony Parker was 7-0 in 2001

very impressive!!!! :toast

[cd98]

Of course you don't think Murray is as good parker was when he came in, because that would mean you have to own up to being wrong. And you're way to prideful to do that.
Ha! You got me pegged wrong bro. If I am a homer for anyone, it's Manu, but I'm a Spur fan, not a player fan. I'll stick up for Parker at times because some people stupidly underrate him. No, he's not a superstar now, but everything I see tells me he's the best point guard on this roster overall if winning a championship is the goal. Hey I'm not against Murray. He's a Spur, I want him to be a steal and I hope he has as good a career or better than Parker. I just don't think he's anywhere near ready to take Parker's spot. He's had a nice little two game streak and I hear he had a dud yesterday, but I don't know and I missed today's game, but he mainly hid out on the weak side against the Cavs. The Spurs don't just send Parker to the weak side every play and I see him getting the important minutes when he's healthy. Those things tell me that Pop is giving him minutes for experience, but he's going with Parker down the stretch.

As as to what I say about Murray, I think I'm right. You may disagree or think Pop should bench Parker for him, if that is the case, I think you are wrong. I'm just calling it like I see it, not because I hate Murray, but because I see what I see.

[palangi]

Ha! You got me pegged wrong bro. If I am a homer for anyone, it's Manu, but I'm a Spur fan, not a player fan. I'll stick up for Parker at times because some people stupidly underrate him. No, he's not a superstar now, but everything I see tells me he's the best point guard on this roster overall if winning a championship is the goal. Hey I'm not against Murray. He's a Spur, I want him to be a steal and I hope he has as good a career or better than Parker. I just don't think he's anywhere near ready to take Parker's spot. He's had a nice little two game streak and I hear he had a dud yesterday, but I don't know and I missed today's game, but he mainly hid out on the weak side against the Cavs. The Spurs don't just send Parker to the weak side every play and I see him getting the important minutes when he's healthy. Those things tell me that Pop is giving him minutes for experience, but he's going with Parker down the stretch.

As as to what I say about Murray, I think I'm right. You may disagree or think Pop should bench Parker for him, if that is the case, I think you are wrong. I'm just calling it like I see it, not because I hate Murray, but because I see what I see.

Nah, I got you pegged. You can deny it all you want. Keep working your angle it is funny to read.

Boy were you so wrong on Murray.

[poeticism707]

Past 3 games:

Avg: 25 MPG - 14 points, 3.3 rebounds, 3.7 assists on 57% shooting, 43% from three and only 1.6 TOs.

Happy he had a small slice of humble pie tonight-- which is essential for growth.

Pretty impressive past week or so. Future is very bright.

[Slippy]

Glad to seePop let him finish this time and Murray didnt let him down. Hit a big shot near the end, showed enough poise when handling the ball. On defense kept up with his man, helped out team d & cleaned up on rebounds while others blocked out. Spurs won a close one & Dejonte was big part of that win

Credit where its due. Pop showing some faith in the rook

[Maddog]

Murray's play late in the game was definitely good for a rookie. That one shot he hit was clutch, and he wasn't the least bit afraid of being the one to take it. He's in at the end on defense.

I don't think he's up to being a starter-level NBA PG. But I really am starting to think he's being groomed for it.


Ha! You got me pegged wrong bro. If I am a homer for anyone, it's Manu, but I'm a Spur fan, not a player fan. I'll stick up for Parker at times because some people stupidly underrate him. No, he's not a superstar now, but everything I see tells me he's the best point guard on this roster overall if winning a championship is the goal. Hey I'm not against Murray. He's a Spur, I want him to be a steal and I hope he has as good a career or better than Parker. I just don't think he's anywhere near ready to take Parker's spot. He's had a nice little two game streak and I hear he had a dud yesterday, but I don't know and I missed today's game, but he mainly hid out on the weak side against the Cavs. The Spurs don't just send Parker to the weak side every play and I see him getting the important minutes when he's healthy. Those things tell me that Pop is giving him minutes for experience, but he's going with Parker down the stretch.

As as to what I say about Murray, I think I'm right. You may disagree or think Pop should bench Parker for him, if that is the case, I think you are wrong. I'm just calling it like I see it, not because I hate Murray, but because I see what I see.

While I'm pretty excited about Murray, I tend to agree he is far from ready to take over for Parker. Long term I see the potential and think he should be in the rotation regularly.

[xellos88330]

Kid needs reps and maybe a little bit more meat on his bones to keep from being knocked off his dribble and being moved on defense.

[TheDoctor]

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There are two things that I love from that vid:
1) Murray's determination against CoJo; who's no slouch at D and is a very strong player for his size (actually CoJo bumped DJM hard but the latter kept control of his body and managed to complete the play).
2) Kawhi getting pumped up at DJM's play.

[Snaq O'Meal]

There are two things that I love from that vid:
1) Murray's determination against CoJo; who's no slouch at D and is a very strong player for his size (actually CoJo bumped DJM hard but the latter kept control of his body and managed to complete the play).
2) Kawhi getting pumped up at DJM's play.

Great to have a franchise player and team leader who shows enthusiasm for a rookie's play. :)

[Blake]

2) Kawhi getting pumped up at DJM's play.



Yeah but does he sign autographs?

[myhc]

Yeah but does he sign autographs?

lol. I love Kawhi blossoming and becoming a team leader.

[Silver&Black]

Yeah but does he sign autographs?

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[TheDoctor]

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Kawhi appears to be hitting more things than just gyms and women :lol

[Vic Petro]

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:lol

[Vic Petro]

Kawhi appears to be hitting more things than just gyms and women :lol

Only one eye is red so maybe a reference to the mysterious eye disease from last season.

[TheDoctor]

Only one eye is red so maybe a reference to the mysterious eye disease from last season.

#Geek!

[Spur|n|Austin]

Kawhi appears to be hitting more things than just gyms and women :lol

It was when he had pink eye.

[itzsoweezee]

One positive development from DM being a legit NBA player is that the bad idea of giving Chris Paul a bloated contact is likely or the window.

[Kawhitstorm]

Not ready, but i'm happy with his floater (it's absolutely money) and his 3p development. There are only a few players in the NBA with that 1st step. It's special

The original DeJounte:

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[james evans]

Physically he needs to get stronger.

Experience at this level is really helping. He is not close to Parker speed wise at the same stage but he has more physical upside, especially on D.

Really looking forward to seeing more of him.
Why? It's a pussy league in which if a defender looks as if he's going to touch you, it's a foul. There is no doubt in my mind that I'm physically stronger than Thompson, Durant, and Curry. And I'm sure a lot of other posters here are too :lol

[Blake]

Why? It's a pussy league in which if a defender looks as if he's going to touch you, it's a foul. There is no doubt in my mind that I'm physically stronger than Thompson, Durant, and Curry. And I'm sure a lot of other posters here are too :lol

If he gets stronger, he'll get the And 1s

[r0drig0lac]

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[Seventyniner]

Murray, while not as fast as young Tony, has a stride to compensate. He already shows court vision that exceeds the young TP, and his overall athleticism allows him to rebound and play defense at a higher level. Let us not forget a 3-ball that Murray is developing at a much faster pace.

One thing to keep in mind: the league-wide 3PAr (3 point rate, or percentage of FG attempts that are 3s) was 0.181 in 2001-2002 (Tony's rookie year) and is 0.314 right now. It is more common now to have at least two of your three non-bigs be three-point threats, and preferably at least one of your bigs.

[Seventyniner]

Two things I'd like to see Dejounte change: keep the dribble lower because getting your pocket picked is really bad, much worse than a bad shot attempt, and don't try floaters on the basline. It's much harder to make those, while those attempted in front of the rim can get lucky bounces off the backboard.