Kawhi making a huge statement for MVP

[dabom]

If he beats Lebron one more time, he takes the trophy. Lebron is the only competition right now.

[HarlemHeat37]

Harden is getting all the buzz, but Kawhi's recent stretch should put him in the conversation..probably #2 right now..

[ducks]

Matters more in march
Spurs win number one seed it is his though

[apalisoc_9]

Harden probably wins it, but it doesn't matter since regardless if he wins it this year or not..He's building enough reputation for himself for years coming to win one in his Peak..Possibly multiple MVPs.

But sometimes being Great every year has a negative effect.

Dad Killer for some reason lost one MVP to Pedophile Malone...Possibly even two. I'm not sure how the media even spinned their votes, since DK would always kill them in the playoffs.

Lebron James should probably have 4, but its easy to forget about consistent production because its hard to build a narrative when you keep on doing the same thing.

[Nathan89]

Kawhi is going to have to do something amazing for him to get the recognition he deserves. This streak needs to continue for starters. Also over beat Lebron again I'd think it'd be bigger if he could lead the Spurs over GSW in the regular season "series".

[TheGreatYacht]

Great run he's on.....

[dbreiden83080]

He will need a huge second half of the season to get it. But he has a shot. I mean everybody seemed to want to give that to Westbrook but he is not even starting in the All-Star game.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

It's Harden's to lose and he deserves it, tbh.

[dbreiden83080]

I mean the Spurs are not over loaded with talent anymore. They have talent but other teams have a lot more. To me if they win 60 games and he is averaging around 26 per game along with his great defense, He should win it. But the votes can be very biased with these things.

[dbreiden83080]

It's Harden's to lose and he deserves it, tbh.

Having a great year but he still doesn't play any defense.

[BatManu20]

Kawhi's not winning MVP this season. Writers/voters already have it in their mind that it's between Westbrook & Harden, with Durant and Kawhi fighting for third. Kawhi will likely finish 3rd or 4th, barring some sort of wild unforeseen set of events. He should definitely get more consideration though for being both our best offense and defensive player. Not many players can do that bc it takes a toll. He's been remarkable.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Having a great year but he still doesn't play any defense.

He doesn't, he's pitiful at it but he's been beyond incredible all season. I'm in awe with how much he's grown as a player.

Kawhi is a top 2 or 3 candidate no doubt, but Harden is something else this season.

[cjw]

Kawhi up to six straight games with 30 points on 50%+ shooting.

Since he came into the league, only Lebron and Durant have had a longer streak (7 each):

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pstreak.cgi?request=1&year_min=2012&year_max=2017&is_playoffs=N&c1stat=pts&c1comp=ge&c1val=30&c2stat=fg_pct&c2comp=ge&c2val=.5

(still shows up as 5 for Kawhi - tonight not included yet)

[rasuo214]

Kawhi's not winning MVP this season. Writers/voters already have it in their mind that it's between Westbrook & Harden, with Durant and Kawhi fighting for third. Kawhi will likely finish 3rd or 4th, barring some sort of wild unforeseen set of events. He should definitely get more consideration though for being both our best offense and defensive player. Not many players can do that bc it takes a toll. He's been remarkable.

Eh the media was slobbering over Draymond and DeAndre a couple years ago for DPOY and Kawhi ended up winning. Media hype isn't everything and when it's divided it can end up benefiting Kawhi.

[TD 21]

Harden probably wins it, but it doesn't matter since regardless if he wins it this year or not..He's building enough reputation for himself for years coming to win one in his Peak..Possibly multiple MVPs.

But sometimes being Great every year has a negative effect.

Dad Killer for some reason lost one MVP to Pedophile Malone...Possibly even two. I'm not sure how the media even spinned their votes, since DK would always kill them in the playoffs.

Lebron James should probably have 4, but its easy to forget about consistent production because its hard to build a narrative when you keep on doing the same thing.

:tu

At this writing, it would probably go: Harden, Westbrook, Leonard, Durant, James. Westbrook has no business being ahead of any, but he will be.

This stretch will be huge though. No Gasol for a long time, no Parker for a while, probably no Ginobili for at least next game. If they maintain as the 2nd best team in the league, he'll have that narrative going for him, that he was primarily responsible keeping them afloat without the old guys.

[dbreiden83080]

He doesn't, he's pitiful at it but he's been beyond incredible all season. I'm in awe with how much he's grown as a player.

Kawhi is a top 2 or 3 candidate no doubt, but Harden is something else this season.

I would like to think it is between those two and whoever has the better second-half will win it. Hopefully.

[apalisoc_9]

:tu

At this writing, it would probably go: Harden, Westbrook, Leonard, Durant, James. Westbrook has no business being ahead of any, but he will be.

This stretch will be huge though. No Gasol for a long time, no Parker for a while, probably no Ginobili for at least next game. If they maintain as the 2nd best team in the league, he'll have that narrative going for him, that he was primarily responsible keeping them afloat without the old guys.

The thunder are dangerously close to to being an under %500 team and with adams out, and a tougher schedule in the second half of the season..He's probably won't finish 4th.

Harden has everything going for him so its hard to imagine him losing, I'm surprised at the rate he is getting his stats, Winning, and plus narrative..He isn't a unanimous choice yet.

The cavs have been atrocious minus Lebron...But he's been way too good for so long and people will look at his 25ppg and think ah taking it easy..

Realistly, Imo if the world was free of narrative..Durant/Harden/Kawhi Should be neck on neck. I'm still impressed at Durant for looking like the only player in a warriors team that actually knows what to do in half court and broken plays..

[MultiTroll]

Still far too many Kobme possessions.

[baseline bum]

Harden probably wins it, but it doesn't matter since regardless if he wins it this year or not..He's building enough reputation for himself for years coming to win one in his Peak..Possibly multiple MVPs.

But sometimes being Great every year has a negative effect.

Dad Killer for some reason lost one MVP to Pedophile Malone...Possibly even two. I'm not sure how the media even spinned their votes, since DK would always kill them in the playoffs.

Lebron James should probably have 4, but its easy to forget about consistent production because its hard to build a narrative when you keep on doing the same thing.

Nah, Duncan's the one who got screwed over by Warm Karl's second MVP. James deserved 7 MVPs, he should have won out from 2008-14. The Gangster Disciple MVP was especially bad.

[apalisoc_9]

Nah, Duncan's the one who got screwed over by Warm Karl's second MVP. James deserved 7 MVPs, he should have won out from 2008-14. The Gangster Disciple MVP was especially bad.

I didnt watch the late 90..but I was just saying that because DK won championship every year in the 90s he inevitabley had to lose some MVPs.

It's tough when you are winning because consistency is not a decent ingredient to narrative building. I have lebron winning 4, but in the end it doesnt really matter because when you win a certain amount of MVPs it becomes more about your ability to win a championship. TD only has two but is widley more known as the better player as bird for example.

[100%duncan]

Its gonna be kawhi or harden, wouldnt lose sleep with harden winning it. He has been balling. Durant as good as hes been doing i dont give a shit, he joined a 73 win team with a first ever unanimous mvp.

[Kawhitstorm]

Harden probably wins it, but it doesn't matter since regardless if he wins it this year or not..He's building enough reputation for himself for years coming to win one in his Peak..Possibly multiple MVPs.

Nothing would be sweeter than Harden winning MVP then Kawhi sonning him in the 2nd rd.

[Kawhitstorm]

Kawhi's not winning MVP this season. Writers/voters already have it in their mind that it's between Westbrook & Harden, with Durant and Kawhi fighting for third. Kawhi will likely finish 3rd or 4th, barring some sort of wild unforeseen set of events. He should definitely get more consideration though for being both our best offense and defensive player. Not many players can do that bc it takes a toll. He's been remarkable.

I'm actually more interested in the All-NBA 1st Team forwards after Kawhi dropped a career high on Durant/LeBron while beating them on their homecourt.

[DMC]

Gotta remember MVP is a RS award and guys who pursue it relentlessly like Harden and Westbrook likely realize those are the lowest hanging fruits for them. They aren't likely to see a Finals any time soon. Lebron, on the other hand, turn his individual stats down a notch to get his team involved because he's looking down the road to the playoffs. Same with KL who's only trying to learn what he's capable of. Durant is just a recipient of cuck genetics and decided to use a cheat code. He shouldn't even be considered, especially if his team wins fewer than 73 games this season.


If Lebron played Westbrook style ball, he'd average 40-20-15 a night but wouldn't get as many wins.

[FkLA]

Gotta remember MVP is a RS award and guys who pursue it relentlessly like Harden and Westbrook likely realize those are the lowest hanging fruits for them. They aren't likely to see a Finals any time soon. Lebron, on the other hand, turn his individual stats down a notch to get his team involved because he's looking down the road to the playoffs. Same with KL who's only trying to learn what he's capable of. Durant is just a recipient of cuck genetics and decided to use a cheat code. He shouldn't even be considered, especially if his team wins fewer than 73 games this season.

Is he a better offensive player than Klaynus '4th Option' Thompson yet?

[Kawhitstorm]

Harden has everything going for him so its hard to imagine him losing, I'm surprised at the rate he is getting his stats, Winning, and plus narrative..He isn't a unanimous choice yet.

Wouldn't be mad at Harden winning MVP when he's doing the Spurs a favor by cucking the Cripples/Jazz out of the 3rd seed.

[DMC]

Is he a better offensive player than Klaynus '4th Option' Thompson yet?

Faggots like you love to cherry pick games to say you're right but we'll see come June, won't we.

[apalisoc_9]

Faggots like you love to cherry pick games to say you're right but we'll see come June, won't we.

Says the guy that kept on using the 60 point game as his basis..GTFO Fat hands.

You have never played basketball in your life, some people have never played ball but understand the game..but thats not you.

you're just a fat man in a sports forum dishing out "elite" takes to make yourself feel superior because in real life, you're pathetic piece of lard.

[FkLA]

Faggots like you love to cherry pick games to say you're right but we'll see come June, won't we.

So Kawhi has to win a championship as a 1st option in order to prove that he's a better offensive player than a 3rd/4th option? Sound logic. :tu

25.1 PPG on 49/41/91 with defenses game planning for him doesn't matter, apparently.

[SAGirl]

He is worthy TBH. Have to remember Pops system depresses guys production bc Pop looks to get the others involved too, etc.

[DMC]

So Kawhi has to win a championship as a 1st option in order to prove that he's a better offensive player than a 3rd/4th option? Sound logic. :tu

25.1 PPG on 49/41/91 with defenses game planning for him doesn't matter, apparently.

KL is averaging more than Curry. DeRozan is averaging more than Lebron. Westbrook is averaging more than Lebron as well. Are Westbrook and DeRozan better scorers than Curry and Lebron? Is Boogie a better scorer than Kawhi? Is Isaiah Thomas really the 2nd best scorer in the NBA?

See what kind of a corner you've painted yourself into?

[John Petrucci]

Fans and media way too obsessed with the triple double thing right now and completely ignore usage/turnovers/FG %, defense, and even wins to a certain extent because of it. No one has a chance besides Harden and Westbrook. Kawhi could jump in front of Westbrook if the Thunder fall a lot lower in the standings.

Gotta say though Harden's FG % is pretty nice for his usage and difficulty of shots. I expected him to be closer to 42% than his current 44%.

[will_spurs]

There's all the yapping about Harden and Westbrook but don't sell the media short: they're starting to give Kawhi some serious love, and Westbrook not starting at the SG is only the first step.

Remember how Kawhi was disrespected before, system player, best two-way player, etc.? Well, this is from tonight's AP report:


There were clutch shots, defensive stops, drama and in Leonard vs. James, a budding rivalry between superstars.

The times they are a-changing.

[John Petrucci]

There's all the yapping about Harden and Westbrook but don't sell the media short: they're starting to give Kawhi some serious love, and Westbrook not starting at the SG is only the first step.

Remember how Kawhi was disrespected before, system player, best two-way player, etc.? Well, this is from tonight's AP report:



The times they are a-changing.

It's interesting. There really doesn't seem to be anyone else who can truly go toe to toe with the King at this point. He squashed Curry like a bug in the Finals (once he had a real squad) and basically ended his bid as a true top player. He's consistently owned the shit out of KD unless KD is on a super team of super teams like he is now. He and Kawhi consistently have tough, hard fought battles where it can be hard to determine who won the 1 on 1 battle. It's a rivalry that actually makes a little sense if some things play out favorably for the Spurs over the next several years.

[FkLA]

KL is averaging more than Curry. DeRozan is averaging more than Lebron. Westbrook is averaging more than Lebron as well. Are Westbrook and DeRozan better scorers than Curry and Lebron? Is Boogie a better scorer than Kawhi? Is Isaiah Thomas really the 2nd best scorer in the NBA?

See what kind of a corner you've painted yourself into?

You forgot to mention one little detail; the most Klaynus has ever averaged is 22.1 PPG.

Sorry, but that isn't covered up by you bringing up LeBron, Curry, or any of the other guys you mentioned. He hasn't had the kind of scoring seasons that those guys have.

[skulls138]

There's all the yapping about Harden and Westbrook but don't sell the media short: they're starting to give Kawhi some serious love, and Westbrook not starting at the SG is only the first step.

Remember how Kawhi was disrespected before, system player, best two-way player, etc.? Well, this is from tonight's AP report:



The times they are a-changing.Your joking right??? They say that because they fucking HAVE to say it, because Kawhi and Spurs are fucking MAKING them say it. Make no mistake though, they hate every syllable coming out of their own mouths/fingers admitting it, you can take that to the bank. "This is not in the script"

[will_spurs]

Your joking right??? They say that because they fucking HAVE to say it, because Kawhi and Spurs are fucking MAKING them say it. Make no mistake though, they hate every syllable coming out of their own mouths/fingers admitting it, you can take that to the bank. "This is not in the script"

I don't think the AP really has an agenda re: players like ESPN and others would. And they didn't even try to sugarcoat it this time.

[Kawhitstorm]

Fans and media way too obsessed with the triple double thing right now and completely ignore usage/turnovers/FG %, defense, and even wins to a certain extent because of it. No one has a chance besides Harden and Westbrook. Kawhi could jump in front of Westbrook if the Thunder fall a lot lower in the standings.

Gotta say though Harden's FG % is pretty nice for his usage and difficulty of shots. I expected him to be closer to 42% than his current 44%.

He takes a ton of shots in the restricted area & is pretty good at finish through contact like Lebron. It's also via PnR rather than straight ISOs like Iverson which means he gets a lot of mismatches.

[99 Problems]

This national prime time is what he needed to get the wider public sitting up with their jaws opened in shock at this superman. I'd to see him win it like the next person but as long as he is ready to go all MJ in post season is what really matters.

[skulls138]

I don't think the AP really has an agenda re: players like ESPN and others would. And they didn't even try to sugarcoat it this time.Spurs have been the second best team all year.

Why...:bangdoesnt...:bangthat...:bangmatter:bang

[DMC]

You forgot to mention one little detail; the most Klaynus has ever averaged is 22.1 PPG.

Sorry, but that isn't covered up by you bringing up LeBron, Curry, or any of the other guys you mentioned. He hasn't had the kind of scoring seasons that those guys have.

If we use PPG, you say this year is the indication because KL is ahead.

If we use career PPG you say the past doesn't matter because KL wasn't the 1st option.

You then say Klay is the 4th option.

If we use most points scored in a single game, you say it's an anomaly.

If we use most 40+ point games, you say it's irrelevant.

If we use most points scored in a single quarter, you say it's an anomaly.

If we use the fact that Klay scored 60pts in 29 minutes, you mention the opponent (as if KL never played against the same teams).

What is your reason for saying Kawhi is a better scorer than Klay? In the past you said because KL can get into the paint, that he has more facets to his game, and mentioned assisted buckets by Klay. Then you decried isoball.

You don't know whether to shit or go blind.

[DMC]

Spurs have been the second best team all year.

Why...:bangdoesnt...:bangthat...:bangmatter:bang

LMA, Pau, David Lee

GS has been the best team all year. Should Durant walk away with it?

If the Spurs are worse than last year and if GS is worse than last year, but Houston is better than last year and makes a significant push for a high seeding, they will get consideration and Harden will be seen as the reason they have improved. Look for Mike D to be considered for CotY as well.

[FkLA]

If we use PPG, you say this year is the indication because KL is ahead.

If we use career PPG you say the past doesn't matter because KL wasn't the 1st option.

You then say Klay is the 4th option.

If we use most points scored in a single game, you say it's an anomaly.

If we use most 40+ point games, you say it's irrelevant.

If we use most points scored in a single quarter, you say it's an anomaly.

If we use the fact that Klay scored 60pts in 29 minutes, you mention the opponent (as if KL never played against the same teams).

What is your reason for saying Kawhi is a better scorer than Klay? In the past you said because KL can get into the paint, that he has more facets to his game, and mentioned assisted buckets by Klay. Then you decried isoball.

You don't know whether to shit or go blind.

No, idiot. I've told you for the longest time that Kawhi is a better offensive player simply due to the fact he does what he does as a first option on an elite team, and all the defensive attention from opponents that comes with that. The PPG and percentages just adds insult to injury. I asked you the initial question in this thread to make fun of you not because I actually thought we would have a legit discussion about it.

One guy is a first option, is scoring more PPG, is more efficient. The other is third option at best, scores less PPG, and is less efficient. You have no argument.

[Spurtacular]

Westbrook 30/10/10
Harden 29/11-12/8

Kawhi will have to put up gawdy numbers the rest the season to compete with that, tbh.

[rasuo214]

Westbrook 30/10/10
Harden 29/11-12/8

Kawhi will have to put up gawdy numbers the rest the season to compete with that, tbh.

Both shooting sub 45%, also only 2 players averaging over 5 turnovers per game.

[Spurtacular]

Both shooting sub 45%, also only 2 players averaging over 5 turnovers per game.

The media has been pretty content to overlook that thus far. But if Kawhi can up his stats and help secure the one seed, then that could could play for him.

[Arcadian]

I'm actually more interested in the All-NBA 1st Team forwards after Kawhi dropped a career high on Durant/LeBron while beating them on their homecourt.

Yep. If he isn't 1st team, it'll be a ripoff. He got it last year, right?

Meanwhile, Harden couldn't even crack the 3rd team :lol

[skulls138]

LMA, Pau, David Lee

GS has been the best team all year. Should Durant walk away with it?

If the Spurs are worse than last year and if GS is worse than last year, but Houston is better than last year and makes a significant push for a high seeding, they will get consideration and Harden will be seen as the reason they have improved. Look for Mike D to be considered for CotY as well.We're talking about Kawhi just now getting in the conversation...thats ludicrous. And if you dont take into account the obvious media bias against the Spurs throughout the years as a part of this, Ill just have to disagree with you. As for KD, its been much closer on GSW as to who was the best player than Kawhi to the Spurs. On GSW Durant isnt even vocal leader, Draymond Green is. Kawhi on the other hand has taken the mantle of leadership square on his shoulders, if uncomfortably.

[cd021]

Kawhi's not winning MVP this season. Writers/voters already have it in their mind that it's between Westbrook & Harden, with Durant and Kawhi fighting for third. Kawhi will likely finish 3rd or 4th, barring some sort of wild unforeseen set of events. He should definitely get more consideration though for being both our best offense and defensive player. Not many players can do that bc it takes a toll. He's been remarkable.

Yep.

[DMC]

No, idiot. I've told you for the longest time that Kawhi is a better offensive player simply due to the fact he does what he does as a first option on an elite team, and all the defensive attention from opponents that comes with that. The PPG and percentages just adds insult to injury. I asked you the initial question in this thread to make fun of you not because I actually thought we would have a legit discussion about it.

One guy is a first option, is scoring more PPG, is more efficient. The other is third option at best, scores less PPG, and is less efficient. You have no argument.

KL's career average is slightly over 15PPG. Klay's is over 18PPG.

No go ahead and tell me that the past is unimportant because Kawhi wasn't the 1st option.

Stupid motherfucker.

[DMC]

We're talking about Kawhi just now getting in the conversation...thats ludicrous. And if you dont take into account the obvious media bias against the Spurs throughout the years as a part of this, Ill just have to disagree with you. As for KD, its been much closer on GSW as to who was the best player than Kawhi to the Spurs. On GSW Durant isnt even vocal leader, Draymond Green is. Kawhi on the other hand has taken the mantle of leadership square on his shoulders, if uncomfortably.

Bullshit.

Kawhi has a FMVP and b2b DPOY awards. Pop has CotY award 3 times. There's no bias against the Spurs for anything other than highlight reels.

[cd021]

Both shooting sub 45%, also only 2 players averaging over 5 turnovers per game.

Both have insane usage rate if i'm not mistaken, that tends to have an affect on the number of turnovers one player has. KL player 46 minutes, took 30 shots, had 8 FTA and 5 assists but also had 6 turnovers.

[cd021]

Bullshit.

Kawhi has a FMVP and b2b DPOY awards. Pop has CotY award 3 times. There's no bias against the Spurs for anything other than highlight reels.

I tend to agree but , then again, Marc Gasol has Duncan's DVOP award despite Duncan being an absolute monster during the 12-13 season. I think narratives drive MVP awards more.

Dwight is generally considered to have been the best player during the 11-12 season but Rose got it. Leonard is having a monster season but narratives don't seem to work out in his favor.
If the Spurs can win 63+ and have, five more wins than Houston than I think that it's possible for him to get consideration, also if OKC finishes with fewer than 45 wins then that should work in his favor too.

[John Petrucci]

He takes a ton of shots in the restricted area & is pretty good at finish through contact like Lebron. It's also via PnR rather than straight ISOs like Iverson which means he gets a lot of mismatches.

You're right. I still find it very impressive with all the 3 chucking he does.

Another part of it is many of the wild shots/layups he misses the refs are calling fouls so it doesn't count as a miss. His baiting/swipe throughs/arm grabbing is expert level for sure, but there's a bit of BS involved with the refs anticipating and just plain giving him those superstar calls.

I always feel funny complaining about it though when we benefited so much from the same thing in Manu's pre-prime and prime :lol 2005 floppy haired Manu set the standard. Harden is just the evolution.

[skulls138]

Bullshit.

Kawhi has a FMVP and b2b DPOY awards. Pop has CotY award 3 times. There's no bias against the Spurs for anything other than highlight reels.Bullshit nothing, Spurs have won five rings and have been in the playoffs since 1999. The Spurs MAKE them give those awards or they risk losing credibility but guaranteed they wish Lebron or GSW was winning them.

[DMC]

Bullshit nothing, Spurs have won five rings and have been in the playoffs since 1999. The Spurs MAKE them give those awards or they risk losing credibility but guaranteed they wish Lebron or GSW was winning them.

Wishing it and allowing that wish to bias your work are two different things, plus you're just arguing by assertion. Show some evidence.

[will_spurs]

Kawhi has a FMVP and b2b DPOY awards. Pop has CotY award 3 times. There's no bias against the Spurs for anything other than highlight reels.

The FMVP award has only once been given to a player on the losing team. The Spurs have 5 championships, they have 5 FMVP trophies, there's not much the NBA or the media can do about it...

Kawhi getting 2 DPOY awards was actually nice since one of them was really contested by Green and I'm still surprised they didn't give it to GSW. I'm over Duncan never getting it, as it's a secondary award that basically never goes to a player who is seriously being considered for the MVP (or has been). Bowen never getting it is mind-boggling.

Pop having 3 CotY is a joke yet he has the most in history shared with Riley and Nelson (Phil only has one). It's a consolation prize anyway.

Buford got EotY twice... when you see the schmucks who got it, often for trades that badly backfired, it's a joke again.

Joe Johnson has one fewer All-Star selection than Tony and Manu combined (despite having basically no MVP award shares). The Spurs have never had 3 players in the same ASG...

[cutewizard]

Most satisfying win so far, huh......

Loving it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bobo

[cutewizard]

To Lebron:

You love Pop right???

COME JOIN THE SPURS MAN!!!!! You and Kawhi could be the strongest duo in NBA history!!!!!

[cutewizard]

I think that Kawhi and Lebron together could definitely be in conversation against MJ/Pipplen for best all time duo.....

just my humble opinion gentlemen........

[cutewizard]

Incidentally, Grandmaster Pop shall coach both Kawhi and Lebron in the future US Olympic team!

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lobt2:

:claw

[r0drig0lac]

Nothing would be sweeter than Harden winning MVP then Kawhi sonning him in the 2nd rd.

Jazz surpass the Rockets before asg

[DMC]

The FMVP award has only once been given to a player on the losing team. The Spurs have 5 championships, they have 5 FMVP trophies, there's not much the NBA or the media can do about it...

Kawhi getting 2 DPOY awards was actually nice since one of them was really contested by Green and I'm still surprised they didn't give it to GSW. I'm over Duncan never getting it, as it's a secondary award that basically never goes to a player who is seriously being considered for the MVP (or has been). Bowen never getting it is mind-boggling.

Pop having 3 CotY is a joke yet he has the most in history shared with Riley and Nelson (Phil only has one). It's a consolation prize anyway.

Buford got EotY twice... when you see the schmucks who got it, often for trades that badly backfired, it's a joke again.

Joe Johnson has one fewer All-Star selection than Tony and Manu combined (despite having basically no MVP award shares). The Spurs have never had 3 players in the same ASG...

Consolation prize? Consolation for what? Last time Pop won the CotY they won the Finals.

You're clueless.

[BillMc]

His only real shot is if we somehow overtake the Dubs and therefore have the "best player on the best team" argument while at the same time Houston slips in the standing taking some of the luster off Harden

That said, I think KL takes it home sometime in the next 3 years.

[FkLA]

KL's career average is slightly over 15PPG. Klay's is over 18PPG.

No go ahead and tell me that the past is unimportant because Kawhi wasn't the 1st option.

Stupid motherfucker.

Damn, you are one big dumbfuck.

Tell me exactly what the fuck Kawhi's formative years have to do with who's better offensively right now?

[DMC]

Damn, you are one big dumbfuck.

Tell me exactly what the fuck Kawhi's formative years have to do with who's better offensively right now?

So NOW it's about right now. Is DeRozan a better offensive player than Steph Curry right now? Is he better than Lebron James right now? Is Isaiah Thomas better offensively than Steph or Durant?

You lost already.

[FkLA]

So NOW it's about right now. Is DeRozan a better offensive player than Steph Curry right now? Is he better than Lebron James right now? Is Isaiah Thomas better offensively than Steph or Durant?

You lost already.

Tell me why Klaynus is better instead of trying to deflect.

LeBron coasts at this point in his career, you've said that yourself. He has a scoring title under his belt. Steph and KD have recent scoring titles as well. The most Klaynus has ever averaged is 22.1 PPG. If I ignore your stupid attempt at a deflection, it's because it's stupid not because you have me cornered, dumbfuck.

[DMC]

Tell me why Klaynus is better instead of trying to deflect.

LeBron coasts at this point in his career, you've said that yourself. He has a scoring title under his belt. Steph and KD have recent scoring titles as well. The most Klaynus has ever averaged is 22.1 PPG. If I ignore your stupid attempt at a deflection, it's because it's stupid not because you have me cornered, dumbfuck.

Lebron coasts: but Klay is 3rd option. Neither of them then need to score that many points to win. Either PPG is the indicator or it's not.

Scoring titles: That's the past again. It's either "right now" relevant or it's not.

Career average: Kawhi still has a lower career average than Klay

UT's D league there in SA didn't train you very well.

[dabom]

Are people actually comparing Klay and Kawhi? :lmao

2nd in MVP voting last year and strong candidate for MVP. Comparing to fucking forever 3rd wheel underperformer. :lmao

[FkLA]

Lebron coasts: but Klay is 3rd option. Neither of them then need to score that many points to win. Either PPG is the indicator or it's not.

Scoring titles: That's the past again. It's either "right now" relevant or it's not.

Career average: Kawhi still has a lower career average than Klay

UT's D league there in SA didn't train you very well.

Jesus, you're an insufferable faggot.

If Derozan or Thomas were averaging over 3 PPG more than KD, Curry, or LeBron ever did in their careers and were shooting 49/41/91 then yes you might have to start accepting the fact that they're better scorers. But they aren't. Kawhi OTOH is indeed doing that when compared to Klaynus, so stop with your idiotic deflections, fat hands.

[FkLA]

Are people actually comparing Klay and Kawhi? :lmao

2nd in MVP voting last year and strong candidate for MVP. Comparing to fucking forever 3rd wheel underperformer. :lmao

This moron actually said Klaynus is a 'much better offensive player right now'.

And yet has the audacity to act pompous afterwards, brah. :lmao

[dabom]

This moron actually said Klaynus is a 'much better offensive player right now'.

And yet has the audacity to act pompous afterwards, brah. :lmao

:lmao

[resistanze]

Harden, Kawhi, LeBron

Durant should never be in the conversation.

[DMC]

Jesus, you're an insufferable faggot.

If Derozan or Thomas were averaging over 3 PPG more than KD, Curry, or LeBron ever did in their careers and were shooting 49/41/91 then yes you might have to start accepting the fact that they're better scorers. But they aren't. Kawhi OTOH is indeed doing that when compared to Klaynus, so stop with your idiotic deflections, fat hands.

Again you return to using the past as an indicator while earlier it was "right now".

Right now, is Isaiah Thomas a better scorer than Lebron James? Is he better than Kawhi? Kawhi's record seasonal high PPG on a complete season is just over 21ppg. That's what Klay has been averaging as a 3rd option. Go ahead and tell me again how those were the formative years, that this half of season trumps the past 5 years.

[Ice009]

Again you return to using the past as an indicator while earlier it was "right now".

Right now, is Isaiah Thomas a better scorer than Lebron James? Is he better than Kawhi? Kawhi's record seasonal high PPG on a complete season is just over 21ppg. That's what Klay has been averaging as a 3rd option. Go ahead and tell me again how those were the formative years, that this half of season trumps the past 5 years.

Since when has Klay been a 3rd option apart from this season? Up until this season, he's been the second option after Curry. They were called the splash brothers for a reason. He was the second option or even a 1B up until last season when Curry broke out.

[rasuo214]

Well we all know that PPG is the best and only stat to use when determining who is the better offensive player.

[DMC]

Since when has Klay been a 3rd option apart from this season? Up until this season, he's been the second option after Curry. They were called the splash brothers for a reason. He was the second option or even a 1B up until last season when Curry broke out.

According to Fkla, this is the season that matters. He called Klay the 4th option, then reverted to "3rd at best", channeling Kellerman. Can't have the cake after you've eaten it.


No, idiot. I've told you for the longest time that Kawhi is a better offensive player simply due to the fact he does what he does as a first option on an elite team, and all the defensive attention from opponents that comes with that. The PPG and percentages just adds insult to injury. I asked you the initial question in this thread to make fun of you not because I actually thought we would have a legit discussion about it.

One guy is a first option, is scoring more PPG, is more efficient. The other is third option at best, scores less PPG, and is less efficient. You have no argument.

[pgardn]

What FN solar system does the OP live in.

Totally does not fathom how MVP works. Harden is in the conversation. That's why it's a joke. He plays zone defense, poorly. It's about offensive #s

We don't do that crap.

[FkLA]

Again you return to using the past as an indicator while earlier it was "right now".

Right now, is Isaiah Thomas a better scorer than Lebron James? Is he better than Kawhi? Kawhi's record seasonal high PPG on a complete season is just over 21ppg. That's what Klay has been averaging as a 3rd option. Go ahead and tell me again how those were the formative years, that this half of season trumps the past 5 years.

I've told you time and time again why I think he's better.

It's your turn to lay out your reasoning for why Klaynus is a much better offensive player.

[DMC]

I've told you time and time again why I think he's better.

It's your turn to lay out your reasoning for why Klaynus is a much better offensive player.

You've offered and rescinded every angle. Pick one or two.

I don't dance for you. You dance for me.

[FkLA]

You've offered and rescinded every angle. Pick one or two.

I don't dance for you. You dance for me.

Translation: There is no argument for Klaynus.

Gotta admire your pompousness even when you have no argument though. :tu

[gambit1990]

kawhi would especially be in the race if the spurs end up with the #1 seed. they just have 2 more losses than the warriors atm.

[DPG21920]

How NBA dot com has Kawhi 8 in the MVP race boggles the mind.

[dabom]

How NBA dot com has Kawhi 8 in the MVP race boggles the mind.

God they are horrible.

[unleashbaynes]

Comparing Thompson to Kawhi is insulting. That just needs to stop.



Btw, don't look now but the Rockets have lost 6 of their last 9.....maybe cooling off?

[dabom]

Comparing Thompson to Kawhi is insulting. That just needs to stop.


Better for kawhi. :lol
Btw, don't look now but the Rockets have lost 6 of their last 9.....maybe cooling off?

[lefty]

Kawhi deserves the MVP because he is forced to play with fucking Porker

[TheDoctor]

...Btw, don't look now but the Rockets have lost 6 of their last 9.....maybe cooling off?

Rockets' season summary so far:
http://i.imgur.com/8jO42v5.gif

[dabom]

Kawhi deserves the MVP because he is forced to play with fucking Porker

Well known cancer. :lol

[BillMc]

Rockets' season summary so far:
http://i.imgur.com/8jO42v5.gif
:lol Houston has a problem

[99 Problems]

Everyone is cooling a bit except Kawhawa. Even Golden Fake had to rely on Kevin to score 18000 points in the last few minutes to get over the line yesty.

[Benoit]

How can you be mvp if your team wins every game without you??? Lmao the Homers on this site

[will_spurs]

You're clueless.

Warriors get 4 All-Stars, Spurs get 1

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Chinook]

So who's this: http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1517173

[313]

Rockets' season summary so far:
http://i.imgur.com/8jO42v5.gif
this is an amazing gif.

[Kawhitstorm]

Harden, Kawhi, LeBron

Let's see what has taken place since you made ^this statement

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[TheDoctor]

Let's see what has taken place since you made ^this statement

Damn resistanze is like a Papachango :stirpot:o

[ECOV]

How can you be mvp if your team wins every game without you??? Lmao the Homers on this sitehttps://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/725013638411489280/4wx8EcIA.jpg

[DMC]

Warriors get 4 All-Stars, Spurs get 1

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

And somehow that makes you correct in saying the coach of the year award is a consolation prize?

[TampaDude]

So, the race is pretty much between The Claw, The Headband, and The Taliban?

[DMC]

Faggots like you love to cherry pick games to say you're right but we'll see come June, won't we.

June...

[DMC]

June...

July

:lol

[dabom]

Kawhi lost to Westbrook in a shitty game and lost all hype. At least add some fucking context faggot. :lmao