View Full Version : NFL dudes....Aware me on Tom Brady.
apalisoc_9
01-22-2017, 07:05 PM
I dont watch obese ball, but I just looked at Bradys overall achievement and the patriots un during his time.
Why doesn't his individual accolades match his team success? Could this be another cases of American viewers not respecting consistency? As is with the case of basketball?
It would seem like a couple of sognificantly less accomplished players have earned more indovidual recognition
hater
01-22-2017, 07:15 PM
I dont watch obese buttcracks on tights ball either. But Patriots seem to resemble Spurs in terms of success and organization. I don't think any other teams are on those 2 level tbqh
question, did the Patriots retool themselves as the spurs did or not?
Aware isn't a verb you 3rd world piss colored faggot
HarlemHeat37
01-22-2017, 07:17 PM
Why didn't you just post this in the NFL forum?:lol
apalisoc_9
01-22-2017, 07:19 PM
Why didn't you just post this in the NFL forum?:lol
That shit has the worst layout ever. Its like someone threw an acid in my eyes. Why does everything in that subforum have to be green?
HarlemHeat37
01-22-2017, 07:20 PM
Brady is pretty widely recognized by NFL fans and media as the GOAT, tbh..
He's currently overshadowed by guys like Rodgers, because he isn't as good as him right now(and probably Matt Ryan), but Brady's career accomplishments are applauded by everybody..
He's had the GOAT coach, too, though, OP..
Clipper Nation
01-22-2017, 07:23 PM
What level of accolades do you think he deserves? MVP is almost always a quarterback award, and Brady's prime has taken place in the same era as Regular Season Peyton and Rodgers, which limits the number of MVPs he's going to win. There are guys like Brees, Rivers and Ben who have never won it despite being elite QBs.
apalisoc_9
01-22-2017, 07:24 PM
Brady is pretty widely recognized by NFL fans and media as the GOAT, tbh..
He's currently overshadowed by guys like Rodgers, because he isn't as good as him right now(and probably Matt Ryan), but Brady's career accomplishments are applauded by everybody..
He's had the GOAT coach, too, though, OP..
Got it. Just pretty rare how the GOAT of sport has the least amount of Season MVPs. I only follow soccer and basketball of course..both GOATs in their respective sports have significantly more individual accolades..
But i guess it doesnt matter when you get a certain point in your career.
Clipper Nation
01-22-2017, 07:26 PM
Brady is pretty widely recognized by NFL fans and media as the GOAT, tbh..
He's currently overshadowed by guys like Rodgers, because he isn't as good as him right now(and probably Matt Ryan), but Brady's career accomplishments are applauded by everybody..
He's had the GOAT coach, too, though, OP..
No fucking way that Brady is the GOAT :lol
Media wishes he was due to their love of all things Patriots-related, but most fans outside of Foxboro will still tell you that Montana is the GOAT. Maybe some people will say Elway, or the really old heads will cite Unitas.
spurraider21
01-22-2017, 08:01 PM
Elway
:lmao
Clipper Nation
01-22-2017, 08:03 PM
:lmao
Denver fans are huge homers, there are actually some who think he's the GOAT :lol
Kawhitstorm
01-22-2017, 08:38 PM
Brady is pretty widely recognized by NFL fans and media as the GOAT, tbh..
He's currently overshadowed by guys like Rodgers, because he isn't as good as him right now(and probably Matt Ryan), but Brady's career accomplishments are applauded by everybody..
He's had the GOAT coach, too, though, OP..
You forgot to mention that he has a losing record to Peyton "Chokin'" Manning in the postseason.:lmao
0-2 vs Eli b/c he turned into Alex Smith against the Giants :lmao
Butt fucked by Flacco:lmao
Got carried by a D-III Futbol reject when he won his first SB:lmao
Tuck Rule:lmao
Trump supporter:lmao
Drew Brees is actually the best QB of the past decade & carried a mediocre D to a chip while beating Peyton/Favre/Warner along the way without throwing a single interception. He also has the most passing yards, TDs & completion since 2006.
As far as being the GOAT: Joe Montana is the best postseason QB who didn't pad his stats in the regular season ala Tim.
Kawhitstorm
01-22-2017, 08:52 PM
No fucking way that Brady is the GOAT :lol
Media wishes he was due to their love of all things Patriots-related, but most fans outside of Foxboro will still tell you that Montana is the GOAT. Maybe some people will say Elway, or the really old heads will cite Unitas.
Montana was clutch as fuck even in college when he didn't have a single All-American on offense at ND in '79:
5q01x8bQRhU
Steve Young is also better than Grady, pretty sure he wouldn't have been bothered by the Giants pressure & would have had a field day w/ Moss.
:lol same people who don't know shit about basketball not knowing shit about football.
unleashbaynes
01-22-2017, 11:13 PM
He's the GOAT, but he hasn't had to play anyone this year, lost to the Semenpidgeons at home, and is about to get raped by the Falcons. Tbh.
UNT Eagles 2016
01-22-2017, 11:54 PM
question, did the Patriots retool themselves as the spurs did or not?
yes, they were a 3-4 team based on defense and possession football early in Brady's career, now they're a 4-3 team based on running up the score and they've been this since about 2007
Avante
01-23-2017, 12:14 AM
Some of the greatest athletes in the world play NFL football. A ton of Olympians have played NFL football. For every 300 pounder we have two 4.3 sprinters who are great athletes.
Tom Brady will be considered THE GOAT once he hangs um up. His stats, accomplishments will be second to none.
Right now his only real rivals are Joe Montana and Peyton Manning. He is on his way to surpassing both of them.
This could be 100 guys (can name them all)
Obese ball?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKxIs_ehWyc
The NFL is full of guys who played basketball, or sprinted, hurdled, high jump, long jump, baseball.
Obese ball????
Mitch
01-23-2017, 12:31 AM
Some of the greatest athletes in the world play NFL football. A ton of Olympians have played NFL football. For every 300 pounder we have two 4.3 sprinters who are great athletes.
Tom Brady will be considered THE GOAT once he hangs um up. His stats, accomplishments will be second to none.
Right now his only real rivals are Joe Montana and Peyton Manning. He is on his way to surpassing both of them.
This could be 100 guys (can name them all)
Obese ball?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKxIs_ehWyc
The NFL is full of guys who played basketball, or sprinted, hurdled, high jump, long jump, baseball.
Obese ball????
'Sup Avante, who you got: Pats or Falcons?
Avante
01-23-2017, 01:02 AM
'Sup Avante, who you got: Pats or Falcons?
The experienced SB team, the Pats. These Falcons are entering a whole new world.
lefty20
01-23-2017, 01:19 AM
But Patriots seem to resemble Spurs in terms of success and organization.
One seems to have a better understanding of the rules, tbh.
Avante
01-23-2017, 02:03 AM
Montana was clutch as fuck even in college when he didn't have a single All-American on offense at ND in '79:
5q01x8bQRhU
Steve Young is also better than Grady, pretty sure he wouldn't have been bothered by the Giants pressure & would have had a field day w/ Moss.
Do you ever look at the actual stats?
I;m a Niner fan and yes Montana was great, but he isn't better than Brady and neither was Steve Young.
Ever compare Montana vs Brady NCAA stats? Montana had as many INT's as he did TD. And an inferior comp % and QB rating.
Avante
01-23-2017, 02:20 AM
No fucking way that Brady is the GOAT :lol
Media wishes he was due to their love of all things Patriots-related, but most fans outside of Foxboro will still tell you that Montana is the GOAT. Maybe some people will say Elway, or the really old heads will cite Unitas.
Seen them all. The GOAT will be Tom Brady. He'll have the stats and accomplishments, what else is there?
Elway???????????
https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/1_brady.png?w=1000It’s getting really hard to argue against Brady being the greatest quarterback of all time. He’s got the wins like Montana and stats like Manning. And we’ve never really seen a quarterback be this good for so long. Brady’s actually getting better as he inches closer to his 40th birthday. If he gets one more ring and continues to put up numbers, this won’t even be an argument.
UNT Eagles 2016
01-23-2017, 03:50 AM
Posting in a rare Avante NBA forum thread.
AchillesHeel
01-23-2017, 08:17 AM
He isn't just your average player that has been lucky to play the QB position for that system all those years, he has put up historic seasons #s wise and his efficiency improved even further this season despite losing his #1 guy to throw it to in Gronk and he is still elite/arguably the best at age 39.
It's gotten to a point where you simply can't dispute how great he is. Can't compare him to a Duncan because Duncan wasn't arguably the best player in the league in 2013/14 when the Spurs had their resurgence.
Look at it this way - won the Division almost every year of his career, 14 times as a starter won the Division in 16(?) years, made the Super Bowl now a record 7 times (2nd is someone you've never even heard of with 6), no NFL player has had this kind of post-season success. If he wins this year he is tied for most SB rings by a single player.
Haters are known to call him a "system quarterback", but the Patriots missed the Playoffs the year he went down with injury, went undefeated the previous year. :hat
lefty
01-23-2017, 08:27 AM
:lol same people who don't know shit about basketball not knowing shit about football.
Avante
01-23-2017, 12:36 PM
How could anyone who knows the game not see Brady right there with Montana when it comes to THE GOAT? With Brady still playing and adding to his legend and on the brink of surpassing the great Joe Montana.
Mitch
01-23-2017, 01:27 PM
How could anyone who knows the game not see Brady right there with Montana when it comes to THE GOAT? With Brady still playing and adding to his legend and on the brink of surpassing the great Joe Montana.
His longevity isn't as appreciated as it should be, not many really wrap their brains around a guy who might end his career leading his team at an elite level for two full decades.
Avante
01-23-2017, 01:51 PM
His longevity isn't as appreciated as it should be, not many really wrap their brains around a guy who might end his career leading his team at an elite level for two full decades.
We simply see too many young posters on these forums with no clue at all about most things. If you know the NFL from an historical perspective how can Brady not be in the GOAT discussion? I saw Unitas, Tarkenton, Starr, Bradshaw, Namath, Montana, etc etc etc play, Tom Brady is as good as it gets.
Avante
01-23-2017, 01:53 PM
lol Gaydy being the goat
You have a unique level of stupiity son.
Aware isn't a verb you 3rd world piss colored faggot
:lol:toast
Caltex2
01-24-2017, 03:37 AM
Montana was clutch as fuck even in college when he didn't have a single All-American on offense at ND in '79:
5q01x8bQRhU
Steve Young is also better than Grady, pretty sure he wouldn't have been bothered by the Giants pressure & would have had a field day w/ Moss.
That last play shouldn't have counted...
I dont watch obese buttcracks on tights ball either. But Patriots seem to resemble Spurs in terms of success and organization. I don't think any other teams are on those 2 level tbqh
question, did the Patriots retool themselves as the spurs did or not?
They`ve got GOAT coach and GOAT player for 17 years. Rest has changed a lot during that span.
Kawhitstorm
01-24-2017, 01:45 PM
Do you ever look at the actual stats?
I;m a Niner fan and yes Montana was great, but he isn't better than Brady and neither was Steve Young.
Ever compare Montana vs Brady NCAA stats? Montana had as many INT's as he did TD. And an inferior comp % and QB rating.
Like I said, Montana is the best POSTSEASON QB. If we're are talking about stats then Peyton Manning is the GOAT.:lol
Good luck stopping '94 Steve Young when he has an elite receiver like Moss in an era where you couldn't bump receivers & where he could take off to escape pressure without worrying about getting crushed. Besides, the only thing that stopped Montana was a back injury sustained due to a hit that would have gotten a pass rusher thrown out of the league today.
DAF86
01-24-2017, 03:49 PM
Brady is great but he's overrated at the same time. He's not the GOAT and he's the definition of a system QB. Those short slant routes that New England constantly runs are perfect for his noodle arm, tbh.
Avante
01-24-2017, 04:11 PM
Like I said, Montana is the best POSTSEASON QB. If we're are talking about stats then Peyton Manning is the GOAT.:lol
Good luck stopping '94 Steve Young when he has an elite receiver like Moss in an era where you couldn't bump receivers & where he could take off to escape pressure without worrying about getting crushed. Besides, the only thing that stopped Montana was a back injury sustained due to a hit that would have gotten a pass rusher thrown out of the league today.
What?
Montana in the playoffs
16-7
Brady...24-9
Montana comp % 62.6
Brady 62.3
Montana TD/INT...45-21
Brady 61-30
What are you looking at, with Brady having years to go?
If we combine stats & accompishments it's all Tom Brady.
The Niners are my team, and yes Montana was fantastic, but.....Tom Brady is the only QB who was better. Steve Young just doesn't have the numbers to hang with the top dawgs.
Kawhitstorm
01-24-2017, 04:14 PM
What?
Montana in the playoffs
16-7
Brady...24-7
Montana comp & 62.6
Brady 62.3
Montana TD/INT...45-21
Brady 61-30
What are you looking at?
If we combine stats & accompihments it's all Tom Brady.
Montana lost to all-time dynasties, Brady lost to wild-card teams.:lmao
Avante
01-24-2017, 04:19 PM
Montana lost to all-time dynasties, Brady lost to wild-card teams.:lmao
Seen them both play in college, saw them both as rookies. Saw every pro game Montana played as a Niner (live in Cali) and yes he is great. But, Tom Brady is better, and he even had better NCAA stats.
Montana career
63.2 comp%
92.3 QB rating
Brady
63.8
97.2
JoeTait75
01-25-2017, 12:20 AM
Montana lost to all-time dynasties, Brady lost to wild-card teams.:lmao
Montana also got to play flawed AFC teams in the Super Bowl with dominant teams of his own. With the notable exception of the '81 team, Montana's championship teams were stacked on both sides of the ball. The NFC was the superior conference in Montana's day, but the AFC for the most part has been the superior conference in Brady's era. Brady has gone against Manning's Colts and some really good Steelers and Ravens teams (and the Chargers who for all their mental weakness had a ton of talent) and has done it without the kind of all-time rosters Montana worked with, IMO.
FWIW Montana suffered a string of shitty playoff losses in the mid-80's, including the upset loss to the Vikings in which he was benched at halftime for Steve Young.
Kawhitstorm
01-25-2017, 03:00 AM
Montana also got to play flawed AFC teams in the Super Bowl with dominant teams of his own.
Yeah, he only had to go through 4 dynasties:lmao
-Parcells' Giants
-Joe Gibbs' Redskins
-Diktas' Bears
-Landry's Cowboys.
With the notable exception of the '81 team, Montana's championship teams were stacked on both sides of the ball.
That happens to be the season where he put up 38 on LT & the Giants then ended Landry's Cowboys.
The NFC was the superior conference in Montana's day, but the AFC for the most part has been the superior conference in Brady's era. Brady has gone against Manning's Colts and some really good Steelers and Ravens teams (and the Chargers who for all their mental weakness had a ton of talent) and has done it without the kind of all-time rosters Montana worked with, IMO.
Cheatriots basically had the EASIEST path to a SB in recent memory this season & EVERY team operates under salary cap rules thus the teams Grady faced aren't as stacked as the team's Montana faced. Grady also lost when he had the best receiver of his generation & now plays w/ the best TE of his generation.
FWIW Montana suffered a string of shitty playoff losses in the mid-80's, including the upset loss to the Vikings in which he was benched at halftime for Steve Young.
......you mean AFTER he shattered his back.:rolleyes
Considering how flustered Grady was by the Giants pass rush in an era where QBs are babied, imagine him playing in the 80s when LT was ending careers every other week.:lol
Canyonero
01-25-2017, 11:28 AM
Not as elite as Flacco tho.
Brady is great but he's overrated at the same time. He's not the GOAT and he's the definition of a system QB. Those short slant routes that New England constantly runs are perfect for his noodle arm, tbh.
that's it & that's all, tbh
Avante
01-25-2017, 12:43 PM
Tom Brady is the best QB I have seen. Joe Montana was the best.
Does anyone ever take a few minutes and Google career stats? Its all there staring right at ya.
longevity
comp %
TD/INT
yards
wins
playoff success
QB ratings
Who did it better combined?
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm
Now add his playoff success.
Who did it better, well?
UNT Eagles 2016
01-25-2017, 05:30 PM
Tom Shady is a system QB.
Avante
01-25-2017, 05:54 PM
Tom Shady is a system QB.
Dude, seen them all since Johnny U who threw to HOFers to be....Ray Berry, Lenny Moore and John Mackey. Montana had the great Bill Walsh and then here came Jerry Rice. Terry Bradshaw had HOFers Stallworth/Swann. Marino had the Marks brothers and Tony Nathan. Dan Fouts had HOFers Kellon Winslow, Charlie Joiner and speedy John Jefferson/Wes Chandler and it goes on an on.
I have never seen a better QB than Tom Brady....ok? And....his stats, accomplishments agree with me.
Floyd Mayweather is a defensive wizard, so what? Iron Mike was a slugger, so what? Bob Hayes simply out ran defenders, so what? All this silly..."systems"...shit, makes no sense.
Avante
02-06-2017, 01:14 AM
No fucking way that Brady is the GOAT :lol
Media wishes he was due to their love of all things Patriots-related, but most fans outside of Foxboro will still tell you that Montana is the GOAT. Maybe some people will say Elway, or the really old heads will cite Unitas.
Wrong as usual.
And this old head saw Unitas many many times, Brady is far better.
johnsmith
02-06-2017, 01:16 AM
Wrong as usual.
And this old head saw Unitas many many times, Brady is far better.
I'm not sure as to why I will bother with this, but just because you say it's so, doesn't make it so.
Avante
02-06-2017, 01:21 AM
I'm not sure as to why I will bother with this, but just because you say it's so, doesn't make it so.
Work with me here....
I saw Unitas play many many times, ok? And I;ve seen Brady play many times, ok ya with me?
Brady is a better QB than Unitas, yep, seen it actualy happen, ok?
You can always compare career stats, wins, QB ratings, etc etc.
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