The Left has a post-truth problem too. It’s called comedy.

[spurraider21]

pretty good read imho

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-marche-left-fake-news-problem-comedy-20170106-story.html

[boutons_deux]

how is comedy/satire show supposed to "build institutions"? that's a fucked up idea.

such shows, or radio, or newspapers, aka "the 4th estate", are supposed to hold institutions, politicians, judges, etc, accountable.

[TheSanityAnnex]

how is comedy/satire show supposed to "build institutions"? that a fucked up idea.

such shows, or radio, or newspapers, aka "the 4th estate", are supposed to hold institutions, politicians (except Hillary Clinton), judges, etc, accountable.FIFY

[boutons_deux]

FIFY

You Lie

[spurraider21]

how is comedy/satire show supposed to "build institutions"? that's a fucked up idea.

such shows, or radio, or newspapers, aka "the 4th estate", are supposed to hold institutions, politicians, judges, etc, accountable.
didnt say i agreed with every word and sentiment of the article. think its a good read and has some good takeaways. i like jon stewart a lot (daily show absolutely shit on colbert report tbh), but this was particularly spot on


Stewart put himself in an ideal position—he was moral arbiter who could determine what was hurting America while he took absolutely no responsibility himself. He knew better than the journalists but he was not subject to their rules.

[DMC]

pretty good read imho

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-marche-left-fake-news-problem-comedy-20170106-story.html

Sure, good read if you want flowery, forced dichotomies that should just cut to the point and say "Trump is a clown but you wanted a circus". As the author accuses others like Jon Stewart of, the article sees fault everywhere except in the mirror.

Stewart was talking about how shows like Crossfire pretend to be actual political debate but are really just partisan informercials. Everyone knows Stewart was a comedian, his show wasn't supposed to make you think, but make you laugh.

[spurraider21]

Sure, good read if you want flowery, forced dichotomies that should just cut to the point and say "Trump is a clown but you wanted a circus". As the author accuses others like Jon Stewart of, the article sees fault everywhere except in the mirror.

Stewart was talking about how shows like Crossfire pretend to be actual political debate but are really just partisan informercials. Everyone knows Stewart was a comedian, his show wasn't supposed to make you think, but make you laugh.Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that there are people who tuned into the Daily Show, Colbert Report on a daily basis and got a big part of their political news from there. They do blur the line between news and satire.

[Thread]

Sure, good read if you want flowery, forced dichotomies that should just cut to the point and say "Trump is a clown but you wanted a circus". As the author accuses others like Jon Stewart of, the article sees fault everywhere except in the mirror.

Stewart was talking about how shows like Crossfire pretend to be actual political debate but are really just partisan informercials. Everyone knows Stewart was a comedian, his show wasn't supposed to make you think, but make you laugh.

Sometimes, sometimes this fellow has got sage written all over him...especially here.

[UZER]

Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that there are people who tuned into the Daily Show, Colbert Report on a daily basis and got a big part of their political news from there. They do blur the line between news and satire.

Exactly

[boutons_deux]

Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that there are people who tuned into the Daily Show, Colbert Report on a daily basis and got a big part of their political news from there. They do blur the line between news and satire.

The comedy shows have a serious role. They joke, ridicule, provide a WTF perspective about the obvious shit we all see but MSM won't touch except in the most understated, harmless way.

But these cable shows are watched by many people, certainly not the old white right-wing assholes glued to Fox.

Not just funny: Satirical news has serious political effects

https://phys.org/news/2017-01-funny-satirical-news-political-effects.html
But, as Jon Stewart signed off, he observed nothing had changed.

[Chinook]

I do feel like the article has a point, but it's trying too hard to tie it to Trump. Satire has delegitimized news, and Trump effectively used his caustic personality to mask his even-worse politics. Just feel like those are separate issues.

You have shit like this going around Facebook with tens of thousands of likes:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/53/5c/d4/535cd4393716f0e129a72bede35f4fb5.jpg

But then you had the Clinton campaign spending the majority of its energy trying to show how bad of a person Trump was instead of actually pushing policies. And you have a news culture that looks for zingers during the debates and pushes discussions on policies to sound-bites or long articles that most people don't read.

Instead of, "He's going to literally fuck over the economy by building a wall no one who lives there actually wants" you get "I have a daughter..."

[boutons_deux]

"Satire has delegitimized news"

bullshit. Corporate news, chasing ad revenue, had delegitimized itself.

Satire, comedy give a much sharper, incisive, subversive take on events and people that corporate media, if it treats it at all, rounds off, dumbs down for dumbed down, pablum-happy viewers, and above all avoid offending advertisers.

[DarrinS]

Or, when comedy blurs into full blown hero worship


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXJEvD6Hves

[DarrinS]

Good article tho

[DMC]

Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that there are people who tuned into the Daily Show, Colbert Report on a daily basis and got a big part of their political news from there. They do blur the line between news and satire.

That has nothing to do with Stewart. People can read The Onion for political news, that doesn't put The Onion on the same journalistic integrity train as The Wall Street Journal. Same is true for Politically Incorrect or any other show that's overtly based on satire. That's just an indictment of the people, not of Stewart.

[spurraider21]

That has nothing to do with Stewart. People can read The Onion for political news, that doesn't put The Onion on the same journalistic integrity train as The Wall Street Journal. Same is true for Politically Incorrect or any other show that's overtly based on satire. That's just an indictment of the people, not of Stewart.
If there were large groups of people ego relied on the onion as their primary source of political news, that would be a problem. Not necessarily onions fault.

And the article Was an indictment of the people

[DMC]

If there were large groups of people ego relied on the onion as their primary source of political news, that would be a problem. Not necessarily onions fault.

And the article Was an indictment of the people

That's odd, because the sentence you quoted was aimed at Jon Stewart.

It seemed to me to be more of an indictment of the press, which the author is part of. But he danced around it and settled on calling Trump a clown. It's like his point fizzled or he got distracted and just screamed out "Kill Whitey!" to get some approval ratings.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Or, when comedy blurs into full blown hero worship


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXJEvD6Hves
Was this a skit?:lmao

[Spurminator]

That SNL thing was about the cringiest thing I've ever seen.

I do think satirical shows, to some extent, have taken ownership of the fact that they are a hybrid-journalistic source of news, even if they shouldn't be. Stewart's Crossfire appearance was in 2004, and a lot has changed since then.

[Chinook]

"Satire has delegitimized news"

bullshit. Corporate news, chasing ad revenue, had delegitimized itself.

Satire, comedy give a much sharper, incisive, subversive take on events and people that corporate media, if it treats it at all, rounds off, dumbs down for dumbed down, pablum-happy viewers, and above all avoid offending advertisers.

Nope.

[Chucho]

Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that there are people who tuned into the Daily Show, Colbert Report on a daily basis and got a big part of their political news from there. They do blur the line between news and satire.

LOL. Can't tell if you're serious and defending people who can't tell the difference between a comedy show and a legit news cast or if you're not being serious and defending people too stupid to discern the difference.

Either way, Chappelle was spot on with his Jon Stewart rip when he said Daily Show owes him royalties when he was their lead in, which is true. Daily Show was definitely "that show" no one really cared or knew about prior to 03 and now it just fucking blows with Trevor Noah is about as funny as...I dunno, a botched suicide?

[spurraider21]

How am I defending those people :lol... It's like people who get their political news from hannity, O'Reilly, etc. Just that those guys aren't funny