Mexico president cancels meeting with Trump

[djohn2oo8]

:lol embarrassing

[DMC]

So many of you don't understand business. Mexico will cave, they just have to put on a front of resistance before signing some agreement. It's all show.

:lol Mexico

We should sanction them like we did Cuba.

[spurraider21]

So many of you don't understand business. Mexico will cave, they just have to put on a front of resistance before signing some agreement. It's all show.

:lol Mexico

We should sanction them like we did Cuba.
:cry prognostication as evidence

[Splits]

So many of you don't understand business. Mexico will cave, they just have to put on a front of resistance before signing some agreement. It's all show.

:lol Mexico

We should sanction them like we did Cuba.

Yes, sanction our 2nd largest export market.

[Splits]

:cry prognostication as evidence

:lol

[boutons_deux]

Nieto doesn't do pendejo

[DMC]

:cry prognostication as evidence


:lol

I can prove it! How? Because in the future what's going to happen is...

[DMC]

Yes, sanction our 2nd largest export market.

We'd develop another one.

[Fabbs]

Peso falls on news of Mex prez cancellation.

[Splits]

We'd develop another one.

Yes, because international trade is zero-sum and the US is at full capacity utilization.

[DeadlyDynasty]

He will be first against the wall, pun intended

[boutons_deux]

U.S.-Mexico Trade Facts

U.S. goods and services trade with Mexico totaled an estimated $583.6 billion in 2015. Exports were $267.2 billion; imports were $316.4 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with Mexico was -$49.2 billion in 2015.

Mexico is currently our 3rd largest goods trading partner with $531 billion in total (two way) goods trade during 2015. Goods exports totaled $236 billion; goods imports totaled $295 billion. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Mexico was $58 billion in 2015.

Trade in services with Mexico (exports and imports) totaled an estimated $52.4 billion in 2015. Services exports were $30.8 billion; services imports were $21.6 billion. The U.S. services trade surplus with Mexico was $9.2 billion in 2015.

According to the Department of Commerce, U.S. exports of goods and services to Mexico supported an estimated 1.1 million jobs in 2014 (latest data available) (953 thousand supported by goods exports and 193 thousand supported by services exports).

Exports


Mexico was the United States' 2nd largest goods export market in 2015.


https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/mexico

Go ahead, Trash, fuck up trade and relations with MX, piss off Mexicans enough that they replace American stuff with stuff from Europe, Asia.

Trash's Carrier charade? B F D :lol

[DMC]

Yes, because international trade is zero-sum and the US is at full capacity utilization.

Of course not, we're over 50 billion in the hole.

[Splits]

Of course not, we're over 50 billion in the hole.

non-responsive

[Thread]

After Trump cancelled it first.

[clambake]

smart.

he didn't do well the last time they met.

[djohn2oo8]

After Trump cancelled it first.

False. Trump saI'd they would pay for the wall. Mexico said go fuck yourself lol

[Warlord23]

Counter resets again ....

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQhupRqQv1bYj6CNpDNB9y68JtyJiFf_ MrV_Q8NV9unH9BJCTyI

[CosmicCowboy]

Trade wars and tariffs are essentially a sales tax.

[mavsfan1000]

They might want to reconsider. Trump is about to screw them. Lol

[hater]

Smart of Nieto. By the time the meeting was done, if it took place, Nieto would have signed away 50% of his territory to Trump :lmao

[Blake]

Peso falls on news of Mex prez cancellation.

Looks like they'll be paying us back for the wall in marijuana stacks

[Splits]

Trade wars and tariffs are essentially a sales tax.

Correct.

But Mexico is going to pay for the wall

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[spurraider21]

Trade wars and tariffs are essentially a sales tax.yeah thats kinda the net effect.

1) corporation pays tax to government. fed govt green, corp red

2) corporation increases prices to make up for it... essentially getting reimbursed. govt still green, corp grey, consumers red

3) consumer pays higher sales tax since the item price is more expensive. consumers deep red, state govt green

[tlongII]

Peso falls on news of Mex prez cancellation.

Mexico will pay for the wall merely by increasing the dollar's buying power there!

[SnakeBoy]

How long before Nieto realizes he has no leverage and comes crawling to Trump?

[Thread]

False. Trump saI'd they would pay for the wall. Mexico said go fuck yourself lol

No,,,
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) 7h7 hours ago (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/824616644370714627)More



of jobs and companies lost. If Mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall, then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting.

[SpursforSix]

How long before Nieto realizes he has no leverage and comes crawling to Trump?

Nieto knows that if that wall gets built, he's going to have his own massive immigration problem without the resources to deal with it.

[Thread]

Nieto knows that if that wall gets built, he's going to have his own massive immigration problem without the resources to deal with it.

Bingo. Everything South of Mexico + Messicans will come North and are now going to be stuck on Mexico's side of the border instead of being dispersed over 50 states on our side.

[Splits]

No,,,
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) 7h7 hours ago (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/824616644370714627)More



of jobs and companies lost. If Mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall, then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting.


lol over 100k posts on this board and still can't effectively communicate with his compatriots

[Thread]

lol over 100k posts on this board and still can't effectively communicate with his compatriots

Though I did communicate effectively enough with you on your nick.

tee, hee.

[DMC]

You'd think Mexico would want a wall. They don't because it slows their drug trafficking.

Sure walls can be breached, but then why build a fence around any military installation? It's a deterrent. There will be tunnels under said wall, this we know. It still bottlenecks the inflow and creates more pressure for Mexico to deal with their own fucking issues.

[Thread]

According to Reuters:::

[[[Pena Nieto wrote on Twitter that he was pulling out of a planned meeting with Trump in Washington next week.
He was responding to an earlier tweet from Trump who said it would be better for the Mexican leader not to come if Mexico would not pay for the planned wall.]]]

[xeromass]

We'd develop another one.


Good luck. Russia has smaller economy than MEX.

[Thread]

Good luck. Russia has smaller economy than MEX.

Gee, and just imagine a week ago Mexico was a piece of shit.

Just shows ta go ya.

[CosmicCowboy]

Nieto was the most unpopular President since they have been keeping track in Mexico. He may be backed into a corner now where he can't negotiate with Trumps administration. A trade war with Mexico could get ugly fast.

[hater]

Nieto was the most unpopular President since they have been keeping track in Mexico. He may be backed into a corner now where he can't negotiate with Trumps administration. A trade war with Mexico could get ugly fast.

Sure but pissing on Trump will shoot his popularity through the roof.

He mist be happy tbqh

[RandomGuy]

Correct.

But Mexico is going to pay for the wall

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He is pushing for an import tax.

Here comes our first trade war, with diplomatic fall out.

I can see Mexico stopping cooperation with the DEA and simply standing aside while the cartels do whatever they want.

Relationships between nations are more than one dimensional.

This is shaping up to be the first down payment we will have to be making to pay for Trumps ineptitude and ignorance.

[RandomGuy]

Sure but pissing on Trump will shoot [Nieto's] popularity through the roof.


I agree. Which means Nieto will have the support of his people to retaliate.

I guess we will see who blinks first.

[TheSanityAnnex]

He is pushing for an import tax.

Here comes our first trade war, with diplomatic fall out.

I can see Mexico stopping cooperation with the DEA and simply standing aside while the cartels do whatever they want.

Relationships between nations are more than one dimensional.

This is shaping up to be the first down payment we will have to be making to pay for Trumps ineptitude and ignorance.

Trump has all the leverage

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/25/news...ttances-trump/ (http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/25/news/economy/mexico-remittances-trump/)

[xeromass]

Gee, and just imagine a week ago Mexico was a piece of shit.

Just shows ta go ya.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico

GDP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product) (nominal)


2015 estimate


• Total
$1.283 trillion



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia

GDP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product) (nominal)


2016 estimate


• Total
$1.133 trillion (14th (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29))



Good luck with your new masters.

[hater]

I agree. Which means Nieto will have the support of his people to retaliate.

I guess we will see who blinks first.

Trump would retaliate by putting all US mexicans in work camps

[CosmicCowboy]

Nah...just send in the Marines and take the Baja peninsula for payment.

[boutons_deux]

Trump has all the leverage

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/25/news...ttances-trump/ (http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/25/news/economy/mexico-remittances-trump/)

One of the fundamentals of globalization has been the FREE movement of capital (unless you're poor Mexican)

Trash and Repugs gonna fuck EVERYTHING up.

[spurraider21]

No,,,
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) 7h7 hours ago (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/824616644370714627)More



of jobs and companies lost. If Mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall, then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting.
he bluffed, they called

[RandomGuy]

Trump has all the leverage

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/25/news...ttances-trump/ (http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/25/news/economy/mexico-remittances-trump/)

I agree.

What happens if Mexico collectively decides it doesn't care?

Piss people off and rationality tends to go out the window.

[Thread]

I agree.

What happens if Mexico collectively decides to be irrational?

...You mean like they've been doing since refusing to let B.B. Thornton live to tell?

We've never looked back.

[RandomGuy]

...You mean like they've been doing since refusing to let B.B. Thornton live to tell?

We've never looked back.

As I said, I guess we will find out.

I think the Mexican government will most likely cave. My guess as to the next order consequence of that unpopular move will be to have that government thrown out, and a new group come in that will be elected on the basis of fighting the shaming of their country, a very predictable consequence. The new government will then get into a trade war.

Provoking a nation in this way is vastly different than a business negotiation.

[RandomGuy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_general_election,_2012

Next Mexican election is in 2018, if not sooner.

[Reck]

Yes, sanction our 2nd largest export market.

DMC just wants to see the world burn as he withers and dies from old age (or from heart attack due to fatness) and leave the mess to the younger generation to solve.

Back on topic though, this cancellation is good for Trump. He's probably the most hated person in Mexico. The Cartel could do him in. :lol

[Thread]

As I said, I guess we will find out.

I think the Mexican government will most likely cave. My guess as to the next order consequence of that unpopular move will be to have that government thrown out, and a new group come in that will be elected on the basis of fighting the shaming of their country, a very predictable consequence. The new government will then get into a trade war.

Provoking a nation in this way is vastly different than a business negotiation.

The Mexicans have no concept of (shame). Gov't, or, populace. They break & enter this country and then live piss pot because they're illegal. They've no self respect. They will not rise up and destroy their evil masters because that's harder to do Vs. committing a felony by entering our country. The Mexican government kisses our ass & cuts our throat in turn because they have no self respect and live only for the next 5 minutes of life.

They're human debris.

[RandomGuy]

Of course Mexico does not operate in a vacuum.

https://qz.com/855355/china-and-mexico-are-strengthening-commercial-and-diplomatic-ties-in-response-to-donald-trumps-protectionism/

December 07, 2016
China and Mexico have been friends for a long time, but after Donald Trump’s win in the US presidential elections, both countries are looking for more in their relationship.
Over the weekend, Chinese ambassador to Mexico Qiu Xiaoqi promised Mexicans his country is standing by them through the uncertain times ahead. “We are very important strategic partners, and we are willing to increase our efforts together with our Mexican counterparts to inject new energy into these relations,” he said (link in Spanish.) “We are sure that cooperation is going to be much strengthened.”
His comments were made during a press conference to launch a year of cultural festivities to celebrate the two countries’ 45 years of diplomatic relations. A day later, the two countries signed an agreement (Spanish) to expand food shipments from Mexico to China. Separately, Chinese oil major CNOOC made two handsome bids for contracts to explore Mexico’s offshore oil fields, and won.
“This means that they see Mexico as a trustworthy country,” said a beaming Pedro Joaquín Coldwell, Mexico’s energy secretary.
As the two main targets of Trump’s anti-globalization tirades, China and Mexico have a lot to commiserate about. The president-elect’s talk of tearing up trade deals, starting trade wars and closing borders irks both countries, which have big stakes on international trade. Strengthening their ties is a symbolic snub to Trump’s vision of the world.

[Thread]

DMC just wants to see the world burn as he withers and dies from old age (or from heart attack due to fatness) and leave the mess to the younger generation to solve.

Back on topic though, this cancellation is good for Trump. He's probably the most hated person in Mexico. The Cartel could do him in. :lol

Which side of the border?

The Cartel on our side will only take so much. And Trump has driven them further & quicker than they imagined. And they're finally past how this happened, how Hillary got wise guyed out of it. Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock.

[RandomGuy]

The Mexicans have no concept of (shame). Gov't, or, populace. They break & enter this country and then live piss pot because they're illegal. They've no self respect. They will not rise up and destroy their evil masters because that's harder to do Vs. committing a felony by entering our country. The Mexican government kisses our ass & cuts our throat in turn because they have no self respect and live only for the next 5 minutes of life.

They're human debris.

So, based on this version of reality, we should do what exactly?

The problem with flawed versions of reality, is that they lead you to actions that are harmful. Reality does not give a shit about your feelings or what you believe is true.

Try to Pray the cancer away, and see how that works out.

[Thread]

So, based on this version of reality, we should do what exactly?

The problem with flawed versions of reality, is that they lead you to actions that are harmful. Reality does not give a shit about your feelings or what you believe is true.

Try to Pray the cancer away, and see how that works out.

I'll follow Trump.

We've been duly fucked since Reagan granted in 12 million of this vermin. Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton on & on.

[DarrinS]

I had to replace the fence in my backyard. My neighbor and I agreed to split the cost. I suppose it would've been somewhat insulting to ask my neighbor to pay for the whole thing.

[DMX7]

Complete humiliation. Unfair! Sad!

[Pelicans78]

You'd think Mexico would want a wall. They don't because it slows their drug trafficking.

Sure walls can be breached, but then why build a fence around any military installation? It's a deterrent. There will be tunnels under said wall, this we know. It still bottlenecks the inflow and creates more pressure for Mexico to deal with their own fucking issues.

It's not Mexico's job to pay for American security. It's our government's job a.k.a. taxpayers.

[Blake]

I had to replace the fence in my backyard. My neighbor and I agreed to split the cost. I suppose it would've been somewhat insulting to ask my neighbor to pay for the whole thing.

You're lucky the neighbor agreed to half

[ducks]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/op-ed-why-outrage-over-174841586.html

[DMC]

It's not Mexico's job to pay for American security. It's our government's job a.k.a. taxpayers.

It's their job if we say it is. Like our president said, either pay for the wall or stay the fuck out. Those are two simple options. We could simply not accept any immigration from Mexico whatsoever. It's funny how some here act like that would cripple the United States. I have a feeling most of you who feel that way are Mexicans yourselves.

[DMC]

I had to replace the fence in my backyard. My neighbor and I agreed to split the cost. I suppose it would've been somewhat insulting to ask my neighbor to pay for the whole thing.

It depends on which side the slats are facing. Part of the fence belongs to you and part of the fence belongs to him. I don't think any of you jointly own any of it.

[DMC]

So, based on this version of reality, we should do what exactly?

The problem with flawed versions of reality, is that they lead you to actions that are harmful. Reality does not give a shit about your feelings or what you believe is true.

Try to Pray the cancer away, and see how that works out.

Well the answer is quite simple. You draw a hard line and if they cross that line then you impose sanctions and eventually kick the fucking shit out of them. I don't think it would ever go that far but you're too much of a pussy to find out. Instead you act like somehow Mexico is the alpha dog and that the United States is beholden to them because God forbid we lose some leaf blower jobs in San Antonio.

[rmt]

It depends on which side the slats are facing. Part of the fence belongs to you and part of the fence belongs to him. I don't think any of you jointly own any of it.

Whoever's land the fence is on is who it belongs to.

[Pelicans78]

It's their job if we say it is. Like our president said, either pay for the wall or stay the fuck out. Those are two simple options. We could simply not accept any immigration from Mexico whatsoever. It's funny how some here act like that would cripple the United States. I have a feeling most of you who feel that way are Mexicans yourselves.

I'm not anything close to Mexican. It's just a simple fact. If we want to keep illegals out of our country, we need to work harder and better at it ourselves instead of depending on another country to pay for our own border security. It's pretty simple.

[Thread]

I'm not anything close to Mexican. It's just a simple fact. If we want to keep illegals out of our country, we need to work harder and better at it ourselves instead of depending on another country to pay for our own border security. It's pretty simple.

Methinks you doth protest too much, Pepe.

[DMC]

I'm not anything close to Mexican. It's just a simple fact. If we want to keep illegals out of our country, we need to work harder and better at it ourselves instead of depending on another country to pay for our own border security. It's pretty simple.

Thats what we are doing. You cannot neuter the law then talk about working harder.

[spurraider21]

It's their job if we say it is. Like our president said, either pay for the wall or stay the fuck out. Those are two simple options. We could simply not accept any immigration from Mexico whatsoever. It's funny how some here act like that would cripple the United States. I have a feeling most of you who feel that way are Mexicans yourselves.good luck making the illegal immigrants pay for the wall

[Reck]

It's their job if we say it is. Like our president said, either pay for the wall or stay the fuck out. Those are two simple options. We could simply not accept any immigration from Mexico whatsoever. It's funny how some here act like that would cripple the United States. I have a feeling most of you who feel that way are Mexicans yourselves.

You're such a simple fuck.

Just because we say it doesn't mean it will or should happen.

there are consequences, chubby. And you're already starting to see signs that might impact the way other countries do business with us.

See that thread about China pondering not buying our ethanol because of a 30% tarriff import increase for example.

[Pelicans78]

Thats what we are doing. You cannot neuter the law then talk about working harder.

Mexico refusing to pay for the wall is not neutering the law. It's really not their problem if illegals cross the border. We just need to do a better job of securing it.

[DMC]

good luck making the illegal immigrants pay for the wall

They're not illegal in their country.

[DMC]

Mexico refusing to pay for the wall is not neutering the law. It's really not their problem if illegals cross the border. We just need to do a better job of securing it.

Not enforcing immigration law is neutering the law.

[DMC]

You're such a simple fuck.

Just because we say it doesn't mean it will or should happen.
Though I should take your claim at face value just because you said it.



there are consequences, chubby. And you're already starting to see signs that might impact the way other countries do business with us.

See that thread about China pondering not buying our ethanol because of a 30% tarriff import increase for example.You are a notorious pussy. You have no fucking idea what "most powerful office on the world" means if you think Mexico can fuck with us.

[Pelicans78]

Not enforcing immigration law is neutering the law.

Right which has nothing to do with Mexico paying for the wall.

[DMC]

Right which has nothing to do with Mexico paying for the wall.

You said we need to work harder and better at it ourselves. We are now enforcing immigration law. That is working harder and better at it. Also putting pressure on Mexico to take care of their own people through sanctions or what the fuck ever is working at it. Why do you think Mexico has no responsibility for it? If your neighbor's dog keeps coming into your yard taking a huge shit, sure you can pay to put up a fence or you can put pressure on your neighbor to keep his dog out of your yard. If that pressure comes through you threatening to take your neighbor to court to force him to build a fence so be it. In this case the court type pressure happens to be economic repercussions.

[Adam Lambert]

So many of you don't understand business. Mexico will cave, they just have to put on a front of resistance before signing some agreement. It's all show.

:lol Mexico

We should sanction them like we did Cuba.


It's their job if we say it is. Like our president said, either pay for the wall or stay the fuck out. Those are two simple options. We could simply not accept any immigration from Mexico whatsoever. It's funny how some here act like that would cripple the United States. I have a feeling most of you who feel that way are Mexicans yourselves.


Well the answer is quite simple. You draw a hard line and if they cross that line then you impose sanctions and eventually kick the fucking shit out of them. I don't think it would ever go that far but you're too much of a pussy to find out. Instead you act like somehow Mexico is the alpha dog and that the United States is beholden to them because God forbid we lose some leaf blower jobs in San Antonio.


You said we need to work harder and better at it ourselves. We are now enforcing immigration law. That is working harder and better at it. Also putting pressure on Mexico to take care of their own people through sanctions or what the fuck ever is working at it. Why do you think Mexico has no responsibility for it? If your neighbor's dog keeps coming into your yard taking a huge shit, sure you can pay to put up a fence or you can put pressure on your neighbor to keep his dog out of your yard. If that pressure comes through you threatening to take your neighbor to court to force him to build a fence so be it. In this case the court type pressure happens to be economic repercussions.


member when dmc and all of the other trump lovers actually thought mexico was going to pay for the wall?

didnt take very long to get from "mexico will pay for the wall" to "we will shut down the government if american taxpayers don't pay for the wall."

[DMX7]

Jeff Sessions is already walking back the "Mexico is going to pay for the wall" bullshit.

[Trill Clinton]

Interesting