Trade Deadline Watch

[look_at_g_shred]

Haven't seen a thread about this posted. I know there is something similar in the think tank, but I think upstairs generates more traffic. Mods, if you feel this isn't an appropriate thread, please delete. Here we can post rumors, ideas, and what not.

[SAGirl]

There was a "buyout watch" I think...
I think the Spurs are standing pat personally.

[playbonner15]

Patty mills + Danny Green for Melo? It's the logical reason for the Spurs signing Hollis Thompson. itshappening.gif

[look_at_g_shred]

Personally if the spurs were to trade Parker, I think they should trade him to the sixers. Philly wanted Manu in the off-season, i'm sure they could use a vet PG to team up with Embiid. Parker for a 1st ?

[cd98]

With the number 2 record in the league, I can't see them sending any young players because they want to develop them and I can't see them trade any old players because they are the playoff performers. I just don't see the Spurs doing anything.

[Robz4000]

Yeah, Spurs won't be active at the trade deadline. Buyout market should be more interesting.

[TheGreatYacht]

Green + Mills for Noel or Okafor
or
Fathead + Forbes for Holmes

Pull the trigger, RC :tu

[lefty]

SPurs are shopping Parker per Woj

[BatManu20]

Spurs are standing pat. Bet on it.

[BatManu20]

SPurs are shopping Parker per Woj

Lol bullshit.

[Mr. Body]

SPurs are shopping Parker per Woj

Parker is retiring a Spur.

[Seventyniner]

SPurs are shopping Parker per Woj

Should have used an alt, I would have at least done a double take then.

[ECOV]

I got an update that the knicks are willing to trade carmelo for jamal crawford, j.j reddick, or austin rivers.
hope they go through with it , there all spurs killers.

[DPG21920]

LOL people act like Melo is garbage. While he's not as good as he thinks he is, he is still damn good. Getting Melo without giving up any big 3 member would be huge for LAC.

[RD2191]

I got an update that the knicks are willing to trade carmelo for jamal crawford, j.j reddick, or austin rivers.
hope they go through with it , there all spurs killers.

Don't underestimate the impact of a player like Chris Paul. A motivated melo gives them a very scary starting lineup imo.

[RD2191]

LOL people act like Melo is garbage. While he's not as good as he thinks he is, he is still damn good. Getting Melo without giving up any big 3 member would be huge for LAC.

Tbh. Sure, I like to rip on the guy all of the time but it's not like he's a scrub or anything.

[look_at_g_shred]

Tbh. Sure, I like to rip on the guy all of the time but it's not like he's a scrub or anything.
He’s got smaller nuts than LMA

[RD2191]

He’s got smaller nuts than LMA

Impossible. But you're not taking into consideration the motivation to stick it to Phil and the fact that he won't be the number 1 option with most of the pressure anymore.

[SpursforSix]

Impossible. But you're not taking into consideration the motivation to stick it to Phil and the fact that he won't be the number 1 option with most of the pressure anymore.

Yup.

Paul
Jordan
Griffin
Redick
Melo

That's pretty solid on paper. But the Clips always seem to be solid on paper.

[elemento]

If the Clips somehow land Melo without sending one of their BIG 3, it's not good for the Spurs at all if they're able to remain healthy.

Melo may be overrated as a lonely star carrying a franchise (I don't think he is good for that), but as a keypiece of a stacked team ? Yeah, I can see him doing well. Just look at Melo @ FIBA.

I hope it does not happen.

[Joseph Kony]

Yup.

Paul
Jordan
Griffin
Redick
Melo

That's pretty solid on paper. But the Clips always seem to be solid on paper.they will almost certainly have to part with Reddick for Melo tbh

[coachmac87]

Yup.

Paul
Jordan
Griffin
Redick
Melo

That's pretty solid on paper. But the Clips always seem to be solid on paper.



If all healthy...That line up will be tougher to guard than GSW tbh

[SpursforSix]

they will almost certainly have to part with Reddick for Melo tbh

Ah. But still...

[DPG21920]

Yup.

Paul
Jordan
Griffin
Redick
Melo

That's pretty solid on paper. But the Clips always seem to be solid on paper.

What :lol? The Clippers are already damn good without Melo - it's not just on paper.

[Robz4000]

SPurs are shopping Parker per Woj

How's your boy doing tbh?

[SpursforSix]

What :lol? The Clippers are already damn good without Melo - it's not just on paper.

I think I meant from the standpoint of never getting through the playoffs.

[DPG21920]

I mean, the playoff are really hard and they have been in a lot of competitive series - many of which came at the hands of teams that went far.

[gambit1990]

okc should be trying to get millsap. he and adams would be a great frontcourt. westbrook would have help on offense.

[bklynspursfan]

LOL people act like Melo is garbage. While he's not as good as he thinks he is, he is still damn good. Getting Melo without giving up any big 3 member would be huge for LAC.

Most definitely. You put him in a role where he doesn't have to try and do everything, and he'll probably be quite effective. If the Clips get him, it'd definitely be a problem for us if we end up facing them.

[Russ]

Parker is retiring a Spur.

:flag:

[DPG21920]

Most definitely. You put him in a role where he doesn't have to try and do everything, and he'll probably be quite effective. If the Clips get him, it'd definitely be a problem for us if we end up facing them.

It will be a problem for everyone tbh..especially because SF/PF has been an issue and they will basically be replacing Pierce/Mbah a Moute with Melo.

[ace3g]

Larry Sanders Verified account ‏@l8show_thegoat (https://twitter.com/l8show_thegoat)






Officially stepping back into the game,looking for a good fit but it shouldn't be long now,I really missed the game,I think it missed me 2 https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f6d0.png

[elemento]

Dude is broke :lmao

[Chillen]

Spurs should at least be on the phones to the Knicks. If Phil is having a Melo fire sale and it would not take much to acquire him Spurs should look into it.

[DPG21920]

Spurs should at least be on the phones to the Knicks. If Phil is having a Melo fire sale and it would not take much to acquire him Spurs should look into it.

Spurs don't have the salaries to match.

[DPG21920]

I would take a flier on Larry over Joel for sure.

[Trueblood]

Larry Sanders Verified account ‏@l8show_thegoat (https://twitter.com/l8show_thegoat)






Officially stepping back into the game,looking for a good fit but it shouldn't be long now,I really missed the game,I think it missed me 2 https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f6d0.png

Worked out for the Celtics today. Could be a good fit for him if he's worked out all his issues. I think he'd be a great addition to our frontcourt (as long as he doesn't get suicidal the first time pop goes Serbian) but I don't think he'll go to a team unless he could be a starter and I don't see pop benching pau.

[RD2191]

Dude is broke :lmao

It's so obvious TBH.

[Trueblood]

Larry Sanders Verified account ‏@l8show_thegoat (https://twitter.com/l8show_thegoat)






Officially stepping back into the game,looking for a good fit but it shouldn't be long now,I really missed the game,I think it missed me 2 https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f6d0.png

But if I were a betting man he'll be on the Cavs or GS by the end of next week

[RD2191]

What's Royce White up to these days?

[Trueblood]

What's Royce White up to these days?

http://thechronicleherald.ca/sports/1435409-former-rocket-royce-white-is-still-pushing-for-nba-to-have-a-plan-to-address-mental-h

Activism tbh

[Trueblood]

What's Royce White up to these days?

http://thecomeback.com/nba/hey-remember-royce-white-hes-balling-out-in-canada-now.html

And this

[John Petrucci]

But if I were a betting man he'll be on the Cavs or GS by the end of next week

California would make sense for him as he also works as a producer in the music industry now.

I'm not sure if he spends a lot of time in LA, but I know of producers that he works with that live in LA.

[Trueblood]

California would make sense for him as he also works as a producer in the music industry now.

I'm not sure if he spends a lot of time in LA, but I know of producers that he works with that live in LA.

That would make sense. Oakland's just a few hours to LA. He could have a spot on a title favorite. He fills a serious void for them and he could buy an LA home to spend his off-season with the music industry.

[cutewizard]

Do we need another player?

How about Nocioni as back up forward? hmmmmm

[tbdog]

Clippers just gave manu money for 3 years for Crawford and will get rewarded Melo? Fuck that bs. How come shitty gm's get rewarded by shittier gm's? You watch Cavs will get knight for Shumpert and pick of Dwill for good measure.

[cutewizard]

Clippers just gave manu money for 3 years for Crawford and will get rewarded Melo? Fuck that bs. How come shitty gm's get rewarded by shittier gm's? You watch Cavs will get knight for Shumpert and pick of Dwill for good measure.


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Only the Spurs are "playing cleanly" it seems......

[Ice009]

If the Clips somehow land Melo without sending one of their BIG 3, it's not good for the Spurs at all if they're able to remain healthy.

Melo may be overrated as a lonely star carrying a franchise (I don't think he is good for that), but as a keypiece of a stacked team ? Yeah, I can see him doing well. Just look at Melo @ FIBA.

I hope it does not happen.

This is what I've been saying. Melo could be very good as the 3rd option. He's done as far as carrying a team as the first option, but he could play very well as a 3rd option.

[lefty]

How's your boy doing tbh?
Wojtek!

[ace3g]

Kurt Helin ‏@basketballtalk (https://twitter.com/basketballtalk)






Report: Celtics, Magic engaged in talks about Nikola Vucevic trade

https://t.co/NrXu1Jx8Zi

[CGD]

Kurt Helin ‏@basketballtalk (https://twitter.com/basketballtalk)






Report: Celtics, Magic engaged in talks about Nikola Vucevic trade

https://t.co/NrXu1Jx8Zi

That would be a odd fit with Hortford

[Robz4000]

Two soft bigs in the frontcourt, albeit on paper that's a great tandem. Horford can make up for Vucevic's poor defense while Vucevic is a better scorer/rebounder.

[timtonymanu]

All these East teams trying to make trades but still don't know how to compete with the Cavs

[Robz4000]

All these East teams trying to make trades but still don't know how to compete with the Cavs

None of them have a player that can competently guard Lebron outside maybe Atlanta (Millsap) or Charlotte (MKG).

[SAGirl]

wrong thread

[TheGreatYacht]

LMA to Boston for Nets pick, Amir Johnson, Jonas Jerebko, and a scrub

or

D-League Danny and Paddy to Philly for Nerlens Noel or Jahlil Okafor

[Kawhitstorm]

Two soft bigs in the frontcourt, albeit on paper that's a great tandem. Horford can make up for Vucevic's poor defense while Vucevic is a better scorer/rebounder.

Celtics play 5 out so Vuc fits their system since he can stretch the floor like Pau.

[Kawhitstorm]

LMA to Boston for Nets pick, Amir Johnson, Jonas Jerebko, and a scrub

or

D-League Danny and Paddy to Philly for Nerlens Noel or Jahlil Okafor

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[TheGreatYacht]

824285802658074624
No more TOSB's :nope

[Kawhitstorm]

No more TOSB's :nope

You mean like David Lee?:lol

Anyways, he would be acquired by shipping out GaSoft.

[TheGreatYacht]

he would be acquired by shipping out GaSoft.
Get Sarver on the line

[Kawhitstorm]

Get Sarver on the line

PJ Tucker would also come w/ the deal so you won't have to see Fathead outside of garbage time.:toast: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hh3dm69

[cutewizard]

Who can we get?

[ace3g]

The Vertical Verified account ‏@TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical)






Front-Office Insider @BobbyMarks42 (https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42) previews the trade deadline for the Spurs, Warriors and Cavs. https://yhoo.it/2kkH9BU (https://t.co/ODcROlEIc9)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3dCaEyWYAA8fA3.jpg

[ace3g]

Ibaka apparently is on the trade block.

[gambit1990]

per keith smith's twitter: Teams known to have interest in Ibaka are Toronto, Washington, Boston, Indiana, Houston, Portland, and San Antonio.

:stirpot:

[gambit1990]

i don't believe the spurs would move parker. would be nice though.

[dabom]

Rated MVPatty a starter impact wise. And ya cucks wanna trade him. :lmao

[cd98]

per keith smith's twitter: Teams known to have interest in Ibaka are Toronto, Washington, Boston, Indiana, Houston, Portland, and San Antonio.

:stirpot:
Sending Dedmon back.

[mo7888]

We have to decide if we want to take a small step back and gather assets for the future or give up some future assets to try and make a run at GS.

[dabom]

We have to decide if we want to take a small step back and gather assets for the future or give up some future assets to try and make a run at GS.

It's a step forward for both of we move Parker.

[BillMc]

Sending Dedmon back.

As Elvis said "Return to Sender"

[mo7888]

It's a step forward for both of we move Parker.

I certainly agree with that

[dabom]

I certainly agree with that

Elite poster. :wow

[Spurs9]

I would love to somehow get Reddick.

[Chinook]

I'm not going to say the Spurs won't make a move, because they tend to do something every other year or so. But I don't think they're less confident in their post-season prospects after losing to NO and DAL considering they beat two playoff teams before that.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'm not going to say the Spurs won't make a move, because they tend to do something every other year or so. But I don't think they're less confident in their post-season prospects after losing to NO and DAL considering they beat two playoff teams before that.

Here's the thing.

Spurs usually always assess their options at the deadline, they make and take calls all the time. If a deal does not happen, or if they don't make any moves, it won't be because all of their players are off limits. It takes two teams to really like a deal for a deal to happen -- not just the Spurs' side.

People and fans are so results oriented by thinking Spurs didn't even try to improve in the offseason or at the deadline because they didn't make any moves. That's not the case. None of us know the phone calls they take and make. They may have intentions on signing or trading for a specific player but it doesn't actually transpire very often because at the end of the day it takes BOTH teams to agree.

Don't get confused by thinking the results = their intentions.

[Chinook]

Here's the thing.

Spurs usually always assess their options at the deadline, they make and take calls all the time. If a deal does not happen, or if they don't make any moves, it won't be because all of their players are off limits. It takes two teams to really like a deal for a deal to happen -- not just the Spurs' side.

People and fans are so results oriented by thinking Spurs didn't even try to improve in the offseason or at the deadline because they didn't make any moves. That's not the case. None of us know the phone calls they take and make. They may have intentions on signing or trading for a specific player but it doesn't actually transpire very often because at the end of the day it takes BOTH teams to agree.

Don't get confused by thinking the results = their intentions.

While I agree with you as a general point, I would also think that PATFO are legitimately adverse to making moves. No trades isn't a sign the Spurs couldn't get another team to bite as much as it's a sign the two couldn't agree on a market.

I don't think the Spurs want to make a trade. That might not be the case, but I'm going to keep assuming that because I find no reason why they would this season.

[MaNu4Tres]

While I agree with you as a general point, I would also think that PATFO are legitimately adverse to making moves. No trades isn't a sign the Spurs couldn't get another team to bite as much as it's a sign the two couldn't agree on a market.

I don't think the Spurs want to make a trade. That might not be the case, but I'm going to keep assuming that because I find no reason why they would this season.

I don't think they are adverse to making moves. I just think they are more calculated and disciplined. They are usually in a comfortable situation being in contention to where they may not have the sense of desperation like most teams do. If the right opportunity presents itself to improve the team they'll pull the trigger, but as I said, they are usually more calculated and disciplined.

I was just making a point in general how most fans are so results oriented. I don't think they NEED to make a move this year either, but I would explore shopping Mills.

[cd98]

Spurs have some assets to trade, esp after the changes to the CBA, which again makes cap space valuable. But the next draft will be deep and word is the draft in two years will be super deep. So even a late round 1st could mean a solid rotation player. No reason to trade those unless it's for a package that will put Spurs on GSW level.

[Chinook]

Spurs have some assets to trade, esp after the changes to the CBA, which again makes cap space valuable. But the next draft will be deep and word is the draft in two years will be super deep. So even a late round 1st could mean a solid rotation player. No reason to trade those unless it's for a package that will put Spurs on GSW level.

I actually think the CBA makes cap space less valuable, since the truly great players won't hit the market again until they are well past their primes.

[cd98]

I actually think the CBA makes cap space less valuable, since the truly great players won't hit the market again until they are well past their primes.
Doesn't it open up the amount you can pay your superstars? My understanding is that it's supposed to shift the money from the middle class players to the elite players, which means your big players will tie up salary.

[Chinook]

Doesn't it open up the amount you can pay your superstars? My understanding is that it's supposed to shift the money from the middle class players to the elite players, which means your big players will tie up salary.

Eh, it's hurt the middle-class a bit, but when the MLE expands, it will be normalized. The issue is that most guys worth waiting for probably won't be available, because they'd just be giving up too much money to do so.

[SAGirl]

Eh, it's hurt the middle-class a bit, but when the MLE expands, it will be normalized. The issue is that most guys worth waiting for probably won't be available, because they'd just be giving up too much money to do so.

mmm all of this is very, very interesting as the contracts issues and their effects on the market are things that I definitely do not know about...
thanks for sharing tidbits like this chinook.:toast

[ECOV]

Cavs are interested in Carmelo Anthony as long as Kevin Love isn't involved in the deal (ESPN)

[spurtech09]

Cavs are interested in Carmelo Anthony as long as Kevin Love isn't involved in the deal (ESPN)The illuminati will make it happen.....

[jermaine]

Thompson is a gonner for standing up to Labrick!!

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Spurs don't have the contracts to make big deals, they're either too small or those of core players. No big expiring either ( Manu doesn't count ).

They have 5 or 6 untouchable, or damn near untouchable players - Kawhi, Aldridge, Parker, Gasol, Manu and even Murray. Dedmon and Lee are on 1+1 deals and going to opt out, so they have little value. Anderson, Simmons, Forbes and Bertans also don't have much value and their contracts are tiny too. That leaves Patty and Green, but they're both top 7 rotation players, so it'd be a big risk to move them.

As for the picks, the new CBA makes picks more valuable, so a team drafting and developing well wouldn't be wise to throw 1st round picks away for marginal improvement.

[BillMc]

Melo for Kawhi. Do it RC!

[$pursDynasty]

I am wondering if the Spurs can somehow land Lou Williams from the Lakers. He could carry the offensive load in the 2nd unit being their go to guy. Allowing Manu to rest up and ride pine on his off nights. Why would the Lakers do it since he is their top scorer? He isn't in their future plans and they really need to lose to keep their first round draft pick. Went to the ESPN trade machine and a deal that worked was Patty and Fathead for Lou. I would do that deal. Murray would have to be the PG of the 2nd unit, but Lou would give us more consistent scoring that the microwave. We would lose out of Mr. Anderson's defense that is quite good though.

first unit KingSlayer, LMAlpha, MVParker, Verde, Pau
second unit Dijon, the Juice, Sweet Lou, DLee, Deadman
with Davis, Gino and Forbes rounding the team out. I like that. Everyone on the 2nd unit more than capable of spelling the person a person in the first unit. Plus having players a experienced as Manu, and with the upside of Davis on your 'third' string would make us deeper than anyone.

[Ice009]

Yeah, I'd be pretty happy to get Lou. Is he on an expiring contract? What kind of contract is he on?

[apalisoc_9]

Lou Williams is like the best bench player in the league.

Lakers won't give him up for Mills and Fathead specially since he's on a cheap contract.

But Lou would be a fantastic addition. He's matured too..Doesn't make as much terrible mistakes as his Atlanta days.

[TXstbobcat]

Yeah, I'd be pretty happy to get Lou. Is he on an expiring contract? What kind of contract is he on?

Lou William's contract expires after the '17-'18 season. He gets 7 million this year and 7 million next year. After Next season he will be an unrestricted free agent.

[$pursDynasty]

Lou Williams is like the best bench player in the league.

Lakers won't give him up for Mills and Fathead specially since he's on a cheap contract.

But Lou would be a fantastic addition. He's matured too..Doesn't make as much terrible mistakes as his Atlanta days.
logically they wouldn't but they lose their 1st round pick if it isn't top 3, so they need to go in tank mode, that is a lot easier with Lou off the team. This only makes sense if the Lakers are following the "process", but the contract isn't bad and it would really improve the Spurs. Now could the Lakers score a better deal than the refrigerator and the microwave, possibly.

[cd98]

Wilson Chandler wants out of Denver. Prob too much money to trade for but he'd be a nice get. He's a good enough wing to back up Kawhi or play with him and have an athletic small ball team that could possibly compete with Warriors.

[Emperor]

Wilson Chandler wants out of Denver. Prob too much money to trade for but he'd be a nice get. He's a good enough wing to back up Kawhi or play with him and have an athletic small ball team that could possibly compete with Warriors.

As long as David Lee forgives him for giving him an infection awhile back.

[TheGreatYacht]

Milwaukee just got rid of Miles Plumlee and his 12.5M/yr 4-year contract.

If RC wanted to trade TP, it would've happened already. Fortunately he's right in keeping him

[HarlemHeat37]

Didn't some posters here want Miles Plumlee to play a serious role for the Spurs, IIRC?:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Didn't some posters here want Miles Plumlee to play a serious role for the Spurs, IIRC?:lol
Also wanted Cole Aldrich :lol

[apalisoc_9]

Also wanted Cole Aldrich :lol

Hmm..Can you guess their skin colour?

[TheGreatYacht]

Hmm..Can you guess their skin colour?
https://img.clipartfox.com/1ff84fd69639ddc16b371998e26cef18_thumbnail-images-white_2560-1440.jpeg

[Strategic]

Offer Murray and first round pick to the Nets for their first round pick. Get laughed at.

[cjw]

Offer Murray and first round pick to the Nets for their first round pick. Get laughed at.

Actually they'd jump at that deal. The pick the Nets will make is actually the Celtics so this would represent moving up three spots from 29 to 26 for the Spurs. No thanks. I wouldn't trade Murray to move up from 29 to the lottery. To top 2 where Celtics could be picking? Much different story.

[Strategic]

Actually they'd jump at that deal. The pick the Nets will make is actually the Celtics so this would represent moving up three spots from 29 to 26 for the Spurs. No thanks. I wouldn't trade Murray to move up from 29 to the lottery. To top 2 where Celtics could be picking? Much different story.Damn nets suck. Thanks

[spursistan]

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[Holden_Caulfield]

would be nice if we could get okafor. the asking price doesnt seem too steep

[spursistan]

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[ace3g]

Keith Smith Verified account ‏@KeithSmithNBA (https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA)






Source: Between CHI and NOP, but POR getting Nurkic ruined PHI plans for a 3 way bidding war for Okafor. PHI still motivated to move him.


Keith Smith Verified account ‏@KeithSmithNBA (https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA)






Source: No truth to rumors that Spurs have offered the 76ers Danny Green or Patty Mills for any Philadelphia players.

[TheGreatYacht]

Blazers just gave up a terrible white American and soon to be RFA, and got Nurkic plus a first round pick in return.

Unbelievable. Yet, RC is on his ass drunk driving

[NASpurs]

Keith Smith Verified account ‏@KeithSmithNBA (https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA)






Source: No truth to rumors that Spurs have offered the 76ers Danny Green or Patty Mills for any Philadelphia players.


Patty just seems destined to go to Philly.

[CGD]

830843116517261312

Wtf Denver? A first rounder on top of Nurkic?

[CGD]

Patty just seems destined to go to Philly.

I'm sure this was a thought exercise earlier this year or last summer, but those two are too important for this year's run at this point. But Noel, not Okafor

[Ron Swanson]

Wtf Denver? A first rounder on top of Nurkic?

Portland now has three 1st round picks this summer.

[apalisoc_9]

830843116517261312

Despite being a knucklehad and just bad sometimes. Nurkic is a million times better than Plumlee

What a terrible move by Denver :lmao giving away their firsg rounder.

[Robz4000]

Yep, awful, awful trade for Denver.

[Spurs9]

Why did they trade away Nurkic?
Hasn't he been playing really well lately? What is Denver thinking? Incoming trade now for Plumlee?
Edit: Maybe I'm thinking about Nokic instead :lol

[apalisoc_9]

Why did they trade away Nurkic?
Hasn't he been playing really well lately? What is Denver thinking? Incoming trade now for Plumlee?

Nurkic was fantastic but he's a very moody player. He's looked lazy and unmotivated since Jokic took over the starting spot.

But when he's motiaved ( right situation) he can be an absoulte beast. Let see of he can handle lillard and Mcculom chuking every game.

At least he's most likely starting now.

[palangi]

Blazers just gave up a terrible white American and soon to be RFA, and got Nurkic plus a first round pick in return.

Unbelievable. Yet, RC is on his ass drunk driving

Some people are such simpletons. Say the most idiotic things.

Fuck your racist ass.

[apalisoc_9]

Blazers just gave up a terrible white American and soon to be RFA, and got Nurkic plus a first round pick in return.

Unbelievable. Yet, RC is on his ass drunk driving

Be careful lots of White racist own guns in the states buddy. These terrorist will always blame mental health if the kill you. ..and Get parole after 2 years.

I got a message from a racist white american here to stop it or else He would call the canadian suthority for terrorism even though I have shown that i dont support terrorism.

Case in point poster above.

[mo7888]

Looks like Kyle plus our 1st could have gotten nurkic...it makes you wonder if the price for a 22 year old center is this low how much is Noel or Okafor worth comparatively..

[palangi]

Be careful lots of White racist own guns in the states buddy. These terrorist will always blame mental health if the kill you. ..and Get parole after 2 years.

I got a message from a racist white american here to stop it or else He would call the canadian suthority for terrorism even though I have shown that i dont support terrorism.

Case in point poster above.

You're right because reverse racism is perfectly fine. Good one. Keep hate a live bigot.

[Leetonidas]

What is “reverse racism?”

[palangi]

What is “reverse racism?”

You're right not a great term. Shouldn't have used it. Racism is racism. No matter how it is used.

[tbdog]

Monta Ellis would be the easiest get. He is on a pretty nice contract that shouldn't hurt. He is having a horrid year and should be grabbed without much. Problem is contracts. It would take Green to nab him, but might net you with something else in return, like Glen Robinson, Miles, pick, etc.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zwmc7vt

[lebomb]

Monta Ellis would be the easiest get. He is on a pretty nice contract that shouldn't hurt. He is having a horrid year and should be grabbed without much. Problem is contracts. It would take Green to nab him, but might net you with something else in return, like Glen Robinson, Miles, pick, etc.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zwmc7vt


:lmao..........that trade gets us -3 wins. Todays NBA

[Chinook]

That trade would be fucking awful. Why would you trade Green and Mills for worse versions of themselves?

[dabom]

That trade would be fucking awful. Why would you trade Green and Mills for worse versions of themselves?

:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Ellis > D-League Danny

[tbdog]

Well Ellis theatrically gives us penetration. Plus Myles and G Robinson are on nice contracts.

Anyway player that could help would require green. End of story.

[HarlemHeat37]

Ellis has been one of the worst players in the NBA, tbh:lol..he'll probably kill the Spurs tonight since he always does, but he doesn't have a single rotation-level attribute, anymore..

[Strategic]

I don't want to see this team torn apart this year, it is what it is. It looks like their ceiling is a ways below the Warriors unless the W's have a significant injury. For the future I would hope they are making a play for Okafor. I don't know his life history but watching him play this year he does look like a nice player. Even if Dedmon stays I don't see him as a serviceable starter. Mills, Simmons and this years crappy first round pick and find out what else is needed for the trade. I know all about Mills' past contributions, especially his last contract year when he helped the team win the last game. Maybe he can do it again this time? Who knows? I'd just as soon take a chance on a hungry mid twenties D league ball handler quick enough to stay in front of his man on D. I enjoy watching Simmons game but can't really see it translating over a few years. As far as the teams future I hope TP and MG call it a day at seasons end, even with knowing the back court void.

[Chinook]

Ellis > D-League Danny

At best, you're the Half-Way Decent Yacht right now.

[MaNu4Tres]

Monta Ellis... Good Lord.

Some of you all need to go back downstairs.. tbh

[mo7888]

Ibaka to Toronto for Ross plus the lower of Toronto's 2017 1st Round picks

[HarlemHeat37]

Nice move for this season, despite Ibaka being an impending FA..Ross leaving means more minutes for Powell, too..

[Chinook]

Raps trying to keep Lowry. Gotta hope they keep sliding back.

[HarlemHeat37]

They desperately needed a move to get it together, they've been slipping and the PF position has been a massive hole..Ibaka isn't the same rim protector as he used to be, but he's still capable enough, especially next to a bottom 3 starting C(from a defensive standpoint)..this should be a spark for them..

Still not a real contender with Derozan's usage, though..

[spursistan]

Boston should absolutely go all in for Butler..Love is out 6 weeks for the Cavs; they could easily get that Top seed, ans depending on his recovery they could actually give them a legit series with HCA..

[Clipper Nation]

Ibaka to Toronto for Ross plus the lower of Toronto's 2017 1st Round picks
Raptors got fleeced, tbh. Ibaka is washed up and lying about his age.

[gambit1990]

raps could use ibaka. they're still a joke though.

teams should be taking advantage of the bulls disarray and incompetence.

[coachmac87]

Love is out 6 weeks....

I can officially see the Love-Melo swap happening tbh

[gambit1990]

cavs should see if they can convince doc to take kyrie and love for cp3 and blake.

[Clipper Nation]

cavs should see if they can convince doc to take kyrie and love for cp3 and blake.
I would literally stop being a fan until Doc gets fired if he ever did such a retarded-ass trade.

[wildbill2u]

Love that GIF with Bertans showing some edge in protecting his teammate. What do they call cojones in Latvia?

[spurs10]

Love that GIF with Bertans showing some edge in protecting his teammate. What do they call cojones in Latvia? Kule

[still.focused]

LMA & a 1st rounder to Chicago for Butler, Lopez & McDermott
One of you trade wizards tell me if that works

[sasaint]

LMA & a 1st rounder to Chicago for Butler, Lopez & McDermott
One of you trade wizards tell me if that works

Not even close. I have advocated a LMA + Danny trade for Butler + Lopez for several months. But LMA + Danny for Butler + Lopez + McDermott also works, although Spurs would likely need to throw in pick(s) for the threesome.

[HarlemHeat37]

Bulls will be looking to rebuild if they trade Butler, since they are nowhere near contending..they could get a better offer than 2 30ish year old, win-now players..

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

So Orlando turned Oladipo, Ilyasova and the 11th pick into Terrence Ross and a mid 20s pick :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

So Orlando turned Oladipo, Ilyasova and the 11th pick into Terrence Ross and a mid 20s pick :lol
Sam Presti doing Sam Presti things

Best GM in the league

[HarlemHeat37]

I have no idea where Orlando is going, tbh..they haven't focused on developing young players(Hezonja is buried, Payton's minutes fluctuate, etc), they added Ibaka and Biyombo(with a massive contract) to their frontcourt:lol, they're playing guys like Watson and Jeff Green..smh..

I agreed with the move to trade Oladipo, since he sucks, but I don't understand their direction..

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Sam Presti doing Sam Presti things

Best GM in the league

Capped out.
Having 3 players making more than anyone on the Spurs next season.
$90 mil on 4 players ( soon to be more after restructuring RW's contract ).
Owing 2 first round picks in the near future.

7th seed ceiling :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Capped out.
Having 3 players making more than anyone on the Spurs next season.
$90 mil on 4 players ( soon to be more after restructuring RW's contract ).
Owing 2 first round picks in the near future.

7th seed ceiling :lol

Their roster build for this season is horrible, too..

Perfect player for drive and kick(Westbrook)..let's surround him with 35%, 24% and 32% 3-point shooters in the starting lineup:lol

Oladipo: 35%
Roberson: 24% :wow:wow:wow
Sabonis: 32%
Payne: 33%
Morrow: 29% :wow
Lauvergne: 34%

Grant at 38% is their best 3-point shooter, but he only takes 1.5 per game:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Capped out.
Having 3 players making more than anyone on the Spurs next season.
$90 mil on 4 players ( soon to be more after restructuring RW's contract ).
Owing 2 first round picks in the near future.

7th seed ceiling :lol
Playing chess not checkers. First year post-Durbeta

His team might've been the defending champion right now had Durbeta not quit in Game 6.

[Chinook]

Capped out.
Having 3 players making more than anyone on the Spurs next season.
$90 mil on 4 players ( soon to be more after restructuring RW's contract ).
Owing 2 first round picks in the near future.

7th seed ceiling :lol

Vicious

[TheGreatYacht]

Vicious
You check Will Barton's numbers against the Warriors yesterday? 4 threes too, even though you said he couldn't shoot

[Chinook]

You check Will Barton's numbers against the Warriors yesterday? 4 threes too, even though you said he couldn't shoot

You should be better than that. If Barton played that way every game, his stats wouldn't be worse than Patty's. Don't tell me you want someone even more inconsistent. Plus I'm pretty sure he wasn't the PG for that time.

[Joseph Kony]

imo Presti is a terrible GM. went from having a perennial dynasty to overpaying for mediocrity due to cheapness :lol

[Joseph Kony]

hard to believe Morrow lead the league in shooting, didnt realize he was so putrid from distance this season

[Robz4000]

At least the Spurs will get a win in Orlando tomorrow after all...

[TheGreatYacht]

You should be better than that. If Barton played that way every game, his stats wouldn't be worse than Patty's. Don't tell me you want someone even more inconsistent. Plus I'm pretty sure he wasn't the PG for that time.
+4.2ppg
+2.8rpg
+0.2apg

I don't follow.

He also shoots 39.1% from three. 1% lower than DLeague Danny.

[TheGreatYacht]

imo Presti is a terrible GM. went from having a perennial dynasty to overpaying for mediocrity due to cheapness :lol
That's on the owner being too cheap to pay Harden tbh

[Chinook]

+4.2ppg
+2.8rpg
+0.2apg

I don't follow.

He also shoots 39.1% from three. 1% lower than DLeague Danny.

You know he plays more minutes. Is that your only issue with Patty? I'm sure Pop could play him 28mpg as well.

If you wanted to argue Barton over Green, that would make more sense, as I've said before. I'd disagree, but it would be an argument. But he and Mills don't make sense, even ignoring that Patty beats him in every meaningful category

[TheGreatYacht]

You know he plays more minutes. Is that your only issue with Patty? I'm sure Pop could play him 28mpg as well.

If you wanted to argue Barton over Green, that would make more sense, as I've said before. I'd disagree, but it would be an argument. But he and Mills don't make sense, even ignoring that Patty beats him in every meaningful category
It makes sense because they'd be traded for each other. You keep forgetting that.

[Chinook]

It makes sense because they'd be traded for each other. You keep forgetting that.

They wouldn't be traded for each other. That's your fantasy, but it wouldn't be a move the Spurs would/should do because that would create a hole at one position and logjam at another.

[TheGreatYacht]

They wouldn't be traded for each other. That's your fantasy, but it wouldn't be a move the Spurs would/should do because that would create a hole at one position and logjam at another.
Deflecting. I didn't even create that trade scenario. You were the one arguing (and losing) against multiple people the other day that Barton couldn't spread the floor and would be a bad fit :lol

Jameer Nelson is starting for the Nuggets. They'd certainly consider it especially since they're deep at SG and SF (Murray, Harris, Gallo, Chandler, etc)

[SAGirl]

They wouldn't be traded for each other. That's your fantasy, but it wouldn't be a move the Spurs would/should do because that would create a hole at one position and logjam at another.
Unless they wanted to play Dijon and bench one of Manu or Simmons for Will Barton. I might be fine with that myself if I am honest... but not Pop.

Dijon is lower in the totem pole right now than 9 feet of soil under dirt.

Manu is Manu... HoF and Pop will go down with Manu, maybe Spurfan is fine with that too... or at least a contigent is fine with that since they think Spurs are second round fodder and at least they will enjoy watching Manu in his last postseason series....

Simmons... I leave out there for whomever wants to take a crack at it... His game is transition and he's trying to add things to his game. Sometimes he can, sometimes he can't.

[Chinook]

Deflecting.

I don't you even know what that means. In no way does saying Mills for Barton doesn't make sense due to roster fit avoid the question.


I didn't even create that trade scenario.

I know, I did.


You were the one arguing (and losing) against multiple people the other day that Barton couldn't spread the floor and would be a bad fit :lol

He'd be a horrible fit at PG. He'd be excellent at the wing, which I said before you even got into it. It has little to do with his 3P% too, as you'd know if you actually read what I wrote.


Jameer Nelson is starting for the Nuggets. They'd certainly consider it especially since they're deep at SG and SF (Murray, Harris, Gallo, Chandler, etc)

a) No one here really cares about what Denver thinks and b) They need someone better than Mills if they're going to pay for him. They aren't tinkering around the edges; they need to do something big.

[Chinook]

Unless they wanted to play Dijon and bench one of Manu or Simmons for Will Barton. I might be fine with that myself if I am honest... but not Pop.

Dijon is lower in the totem pole right now than 9 feet of soil under dirt.

Manu is Manu... HoF and Pop will go down with Manu, maybe Spurfan is fine with that too... or at least a contigent is fine with that since they think Spurs are second round fodder and at least they will enjoy watching Manu in his last postseason series....

Simmons... I leave out there for whomever wants to take a crack at it... His game is transition and he's trying to add things to his game. Sometimes he can, sometimes he can't.

What you're describing is what I meant by a logjam. If you want to argue that the Spurs can't penetrate and slash well enough, then the problem isn't the off-ball guy who's job is to get open and shoot. The problem is the slashers who aren't performing up to par. What you'll find if you trade your best shooter for a small upgrade in slashing is that you'll struggle more. None of Manu, Simmons or Barton is a natural shooter, and they certainly aren't dynamic shooters. You just aren't going to see the same beautiful game with three guys who'd rather get into the paint surrounding two bigs with very little range.

We've seen this with Simmons and especially Anderson already. It's not about how well they shoot when they shoot. It's about how they handle situations when they get the ball on a kick-out or when they aren't the object of the play. Players like Beli always try to get open and will shoot as soon as the ball touches their hands. Those are natural floor-spacers. Guys who only shoot if they're wide-open or in rhythm and who stand in a small area looking for a shot just aren't the same, even if they carry a high percentage.

[SAGirl]

What you're describing is what I meant by a logjam. If you want to argue that the Spurs can't penetrate and slash well enough, then the problem isn't the off-ball guy who's job is to get open and shoot. The problem is the slashers who aren't performing up to par. What you'll find if you trade your best shooter for a small upgrade in slashing is that you'll struggle more. None of Manu, Simmons or Barton is a natural shooter, and they certainly aren't dynamic shooters. You just aren't going to see the same beautiful game with three guys who'd rather get into the paint surrounding two bigs with very little range.

We've seen this with Simmons and especially Anderson already. It's not about how well they shoot when they shoot. It's about how they handle situations when they get the ball on a kick-out or when they aren't the object of the play. Players like Beli always try to get open and will shoot as soon as the ball touches their hands. Those are natural floor-spacers. Guys who only shoot if they're wide-open or in rhythm and who stand in a small area looking for a shot just aren't the same, even if they carry a high percentage.
Absolutely
I get your point... the point is neither Manu nor Simmons are good enough to penetrate and kick out. Mills is doing too much off the dribble as it is which he's bad at, while the other two are not doing enough of what they are or were supposed to be good at.

Simmons is limited. It's no secret I would rather the Spurs get someone better in the offseason, but I don't want to go on a rant against hte guy bc for his current role/salary he's fine. I only have an issue if he's going to get paid in the offseason bc Spurs want to amplify his role. I don't think he's good enough for that and he's getting kinda old to keep hoping.

Anyways, Manu just can't do what he used to any longer and he spots up more than anything else to shoot the 3 off others. He's good at that, he can even surprise you with a step back 3 under duress that just gives you hints of why he used to be such a great player... but could Barton be better than either this 39 year old Manu or Simmons, absolutely. And I am ready for Dijon to get minutes and be coached. Dude is not doing anything rotting in that bench when he has already given flashes at 20, more than Simmons gave at 26 last season. It's just a different direction... but I totally see exactly what you are saying in the sense that the bench is already starved for shooters with their ideal lineups playing 2 bigs that like to play in the paint anyways.

[Chinook]

Yeah, here's the way I see the roles for the team:

Stars: Leonard, Aldridge, Gasol -- is defined mainly by the fact that they are supposed to make everyone around them better rather than specializing in one thing.

Penetrators/facilitators: Parker, Manu, Simmons, Murray

Shooters: Green, Mills, Bertans, Forbes

Roll-men/Rebounders: Dedmon, Lee, Anthony

Defenders/Macrocephaly: Anderson

If you look at the salary/production of those positions and compare them, it's obvious where the problem is. Attacking one group for not being able to do what the other group is supposed to do is silly.

[dabom]

Fathead. :lol

Chinook stepping up his game. No lie.

[GSH]

Magic trade Ibaka to Toronto for a pick and Terrence Ross.

The Hawks have a - .2 point differential, even though their record is decent. I think they're going to dump some players, too.

But signing Joel Anthony is exciting, too.

[mo7888]

It makes sense because they'd be traded for each other. You keep forgetting that.

Trading Patty for Barton would leave the roster unbalanced, so I'm not sure it would make sense by itself. If you could make that trade and then move Green for someone to replicate some of what Patty brings then it would work better. Personally, I'd love to see Green traded for Avery Bradley if we moved Patty for Barton. Bradley has played some PG in the past...in truth he's an undersized SG which is what Patty is except he plays top notch D

[wildbill2u]

Bleacher Report has a article on players most likely to be traded by each team. I don't know if the Spurs section was posted previously, but here it is>



Let's keep this simple.
The San Antonio Spurs (http://bleacherreport.com/san-antonio-spurs) have the NBA's second-best record and net rating (http://stats.nba.com/teams/advanced/#!?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateTo=02%2F13%2F2017). They lead the league in points allowed per 100 possessions. Their bench, unlike their starting five (http://stats.nba.com/teams/advanced/#!?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateTo=02%2F13%2F2017******erBench=Starters), ranks in the top five (http://stats.nba.com/teams/advanced/#!?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateTo=02%2F13%2F2017******erBench=Bench) of offensive and defensive efficiency.
They register a top-three net rating (plus-8.3 (http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612759/onoffcourt-advanced/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateTo=02%2F13%2F2017)) when Kawhi Leonard, last year's MVP runner-up, is off the court.
Davis Bertans is going to steal some second- and third-place Rookie of the Year votes.
Does this seem like a Spurs outfit about to make its first midseason trade since the great Nando de Colo-for-Austin Daye blockbuster of February 2014?


I agree. Spurs seldom trade during the season and I don't think they will move anyone this season either.

[Chinook]

Magic trade Ibaka to Toronto for a pick and Terrence Ross.

The Hawks have a - .2 point differential, even though their record is decent. I think they're going to dump some players, too.

But signing Joel Anthony is exciting, too.

Wouldn't be entirely surprised to see the Spurs waive Anthony within a month. Once Gasol is healthy, I definitely see him at the 15th man, and his contract is small enough that they could eat it no problem. I do think another roster action is more likely than not.

[spurraider21]

Presti had a hot drafting streak with the big 3 and ibaka but royally fucked everything up on what should have been a team with multiple rings.

Prioritized not only ibaka but also Perkins over Harden... Losing KD for nothing, trading only getting oladipo for ibaka...

[GSH]

Wouldn't be entirely surprised to see the Spurs waive Anthony within a month. Once Gasol is healthy, I definitely see him at the 15th man, and his contract is small enough that they could eat it no problem. I do think another roster action is more likely than not.


Nah, I was mostly looking for an excuse to bring up the Ibaka trade. If the Spurs aren't going to snag a player at the deadline (and let's face it, they aren't) I'd just as soon have Anthony here as insurance, and to soak up some of the remaining RS minutes.

[SAGirl]

Yeah, here's the way I see the roles for the team:

Stars: Leonard, Aldridge, Gasol -- is defined mainly by the fact that they are supposed to make everyone around them better rather than specializing in one thing.

Penetrators/facilitators: Parker, Manu, Simmons, Murray

Shooters: Green, Mills, Bertans, Forbes

Roll-men/Rebounders: Dedmon, Lee, Anthony

Defenders/Macrocephaly: Anderson

If you look at the salary/production of those positions and compare them, it's obvious where the problem is. Attacking one group for not being able to do what the other group is supposed to do is silly.
Completely logical statement that will fly over the head of some guys who don't have a brain above their schtick.

We have all known for a while where the problems are... only compounded recently by Gasol being out of the lineup which puts pressure on others to step up their games, with some mixed results and some inconsistent play. Some guys can some nights produce more, other nights they can't. It's further made worse by Aldridge being in a very, very bad slump, and not shooting/playing like a star scorer. Just bad timing for him to be struggling. Last season with Timmy injured Lamarcus stepped up his game. Right now, he's slumping and can't.

Which is why no trade will make the Spurs better if you are trading guys playing well in the spots/roles that they are supposed to be playing, to compensate for the spots that are problematic but you are keeping the guys in the spots that are problematic.

[szkorhetz]

That's on the owner being too cheap to pay Harden tbh
Agreed. If they keep that big 4 together, they would have won 3 straight, at least.

[kaji157]

Yeah, here's the way I see the roles for the team:

Stars: Leonard, Aldridge, Gasol -- is defined mainly by the fact that they are supposed to make everyone around them better rather than specializing in one thing.

Penetrators/facilitators: Parker, Manu, Simmons, Murray

Shooters: Green, Mills, Bertans, Forbes

Roll-men/Rebounders: Dedmon, Lee, Anthony

Defenders/Macrocephaly: Anderson

If you look at the salary/production of those positions and compare them, it's obvious where the problem is. Attacking one group for not being able to do what the other group is supposed to do is silly.

I think it´s wrong to still catalogue Manu as a penetrator, if by that you mean he has to do it consistently.
At this point in his career i would put Manu strictly as a 3 point specialist, which he clearly focused to be, with the occasional additional impact play, but other than that i do not think it´s smart for the team to expect anything more from him.
Sometimes he´s gonna have some throwback games, but if you force the issue with him you´ll get 4 or 5 shitty game for each good one.

[coachmac87]

Absolutely
I get your point... the point is neither Manu nor Simmons are good enough to penetrate and kick out. Mills is doing too much off the dribble as it is which he's bad at, while the other two are not doing enough of what they are or were supposed to be good at.

Simmons is limited. It's no secret I would rather the Spurs get someone better in the offseason, but I don't want to go on a rant against hte guy bc for his current role/salary he's fine. I only have an issue if he's going to get paid in the offseason bc Spurs want to amplify his role. I don't think he's good enough for that and he's getting kinda old to keep hoping.

Anyways, Manu just can't do what he used to any longer and he spots up more than anything else to shoot the 3 off others. He's good at that, he can even surprise you with a step back 3 under duress that just gives you hints of why he used to be such a great player... but could Barton be better than either this 39 year old Manu or Simmons, absolutely. And I am ready for Dijon to get minutes and be coached. Dude is not doing anything rotting in that bench when he has already given flashes at 20, more than Simmons gave at 26 last season. It's just a different direction... but I totally see exactly what you are saying in the sense that the bench is already starved for shooters with their ideal lineups playing 2 bigs that like to play in the paint anyways.



The hate on Simmons is strong...

[SAGirl]

The hate on Simmons is strong...
Not a fan but I am not a hater... the hater is someone who calls Kyle fathead and worse bc they don't like them. I am not a fan but from that to infer hate is a stretch... at least for the forums standards... Am I wishing ill on him, disparaging him? No.

Not even suggesting trades involving him every day. I appreciate what he brings to the team currently. The rest is laid out and needs no further.

[Chinook]

I think it´s wrong to still catalogue Manu as a penetrator, if by that you mean he has to do it consistently.
At this point in his career i would put Manu strictly as a 3 point specialist, which he clearly focused to be, with the occasional additional impact play, but other than that i do not think it´s smart for the team to expect anything more from him.
Sometimes he´s gonna have some throwback games, but if you force the issue with him you´ll get 4 or 5 shitty game for each good one.

That Manu is too old to be a penetrator is definitely a problem, but that's his role. Otherwise, the bench offense runs through Simmons, and it doesn't. Manu's USG% is still insanely high right now (third to Kawhi and LMA for bench players), so he's not playing as a spot-up guy. Even if he were, he's not very good at it. He shoots a good percentage, but he doesn't really fit in that role due to his shooting motion and lack of speed. He shoots by far the highest rate of unassisted threes on the team, which has to do with both the lack of penetrators and him being less dynamic off the ball as someone like Beli is.

[TD 21]

Great trade by the Raptors. Even in his declining state, Ibaka is a near ideal power forward for them and presuming he's re-signed (good chance), it'll be even more of a home run. Powell will be fine as a Ross replacement, but now they need a Powell replacement (only with more size). Expect Sullinger, already on the outs, to be either traded or bought out.

The Magic needed to do this to salvage something for Ibaka before he left in free agency and were obviously going to get less now because of that than what they paid for him, but still: in 8 months, they downgraded from Oladipo to Ross, the 11th pick to one in the 20's and Ilyasova (Harris, if you trace it back another 4 months) to Green. They now have Ross and a pick in the 20's to show for Harkless, Harris, Oladipo, Sabonis and Ibaka and it's not like it's revisionist history, since these were obviously terrible moves at the time. I know they haven't gotten lottery luck, but nonetheless, in the last 4 years, they picked 2, 4, 10, 5 and had 11 (Sabonis), yet don't have a single sure fire building block to show for it. Hennigan should be fired before he can do further damage.

[cd98]

That Manu is too old to be a penetrator is definitely a problem, but that's his role. Otherwise, the bench offense runs through Simmons, and it doesn't. Manu's USG% is still insanely high right now (third to Kawhi and LMA for bench players), so he's not playing as a spot-up guy. Even if he were, he's not very good at it. He shoots a good percentage, but he doesn't really fit in that role due to his shooting motion and lack of speed. He shoots by far the highest rate of unassisted threes on the team, which has to do with both the lack of penetrators and him being less dynamic off the ball as someone like Beli is.

I kind of see Manu as being a little like Kidd in his last few years in the league. Kidd may have been a little better in that role but I see it as similar.

[spurraider21]

so are we getting kirilenko or not?

[Robz4000]

so are we getting kirilenko or not?

Caron Butler iirc

[Ice009]

I think it's a good trade for the Raptors. No way should they have re-signed Biyombo for the amount of money that he got. Trading for and re-signing the real Ibaka for a similar contract is a better move IMO.

How was Ibaka playing this season anyway? I won't get to see him in the Magic game tomorrow now that he's been traded.

[timtonymanu]

At least the Spurs will get a win in Orlando tomorrow after all...

and good thing the games vs Toronto are over

[Trueblood]

I think it's a good trade for the Raptors. No way should they have re-signed Biyombo for the amount of money that he got. Trading for and re-signing the real Ibaka for a similar contract is a better move IMO.

How was Ibaka playing this season anyway? I won't get to see him in the Magic game tomorrow now that he's been traded.

Long story short, 3 point attempts are up, defense efficiency is down and they're in a negative rating when he's on the floor

[Seventyniner]

Caron Butler iirc

Danny Granger

[spursistan]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4prJKTVcAAtdSO.jpg

Danny Ainge :lol

[SAGirl]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4prJKTVcAAtdSO.jpg

Danny Ainge :lol
Dude wants to win every single trade. After he fleeced the Mavs with Rondo he's going to get stronger resistance to his heists....

[stxspurs]

Caron Butler iirc

Corey Maggette ?

[spursistan]

Dude wants to win every single trade. After he fleeced the Mavs with Rondo he's going to get stronger resistance to his heists....
Yeah, it should be pretty insulting to his peers that he think himself to be that much smarter than them..

[cd98]

Dude wants to win every single trade. After he fleeced the Mavs with Rondo he's going to get stronger resistance to his heists....

What he did to the Nets is worse than what Durant did to the Thunder.

[SAGirl]

What he did to the Nets is worse than what Durant did to the Thunder.
Oh wow.
I had forgotten about that.... yes... he's going to have to give up something this time.... it's turned against him bc they have had more young players lately than they can develop.

[DPG21920]

Spurs need a more effective penetrator - trading Kyle/Simmons and to a lesser to degree Patty hopefully does the trick. If they can keep Mills and accomplish this it would be a huge win.

[DPG21920]

Also, obviously a great trade by TOR. They got rid of Ross (who's not bad, but was just signed to 3 year 30+M deal) and they open up minutes for Powell whom they probably like better.

Even if Ibaka doesn't resign getting Powell more minutes along with making a legit move to try in win now is worth a pick 20+IMO for a team that has been good and making progress. It seems pretty damn obvious that Ibaka plans to resign there as well. TOR pursued him before getting traded to ORL, then again with this trade. They really value him and surely will make it a priority to sign him and Kyle (especially if he plays well).

From what I've read, there was basically only really low ball offers on Ibaka so Magic did ok but in context of what they paid? Awful. They have been really dumb but hopefully Gordon saves their butts.

[tbdog]

Spurs need a more effective penetrator - trading Kyle/Simmons and to a lesser to degree Patty hopefully does the trick. If they can keep Mills and accomplish this it would be a huge win.

No one would want Simmons, unless it is for partial bird rights.

[TheDoctor]

so are we getting kirilenko or not?

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/spurs/imgs/131010_ayres_roster.jpg

[Chinook]

:lol


bigmean wrote:
I have been crafting a deal for about 2 weeks (still a work in progress)

Chicago gets: 2017 Lakers Top 3 protected pick Via Philly, Danny Green, Jusuf Nurkic, Robert Covington

Denver gets: 2017 Chicago first round pick, Nikola Mirotic, Patty Mills, Gerald Henderson, rights to Nikola Milutinov

Philly gets: Lamarcus Aldridge, Wilson Chandler

San Antonio gets: Dwayne Wade, Darrell Arthur, Sergio Rodriguez, Richaun Holmes and a two of second round from Philly (not there own)

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=1497057&p=52519792#p52519792

[dabom]

Green already showed wade was trash in 2014. He's even worse.

[dabom]

Patty and LMA in that trade too. :lmao

[BatManu20]

Would love Lou Williams on this team. Living in LA, I watch a lot of lakers games and he's been ballin' these past couple seasons (on a bad team, yea). Nevertheless, He's instant offense off the bench and a clutch shot maker. If only the Lakers would trade him for fodder tbh. Reports suggest he's definitely being traded before the deadline.

[apalisoc_9]

Salaries wont match.

Maybe some experts can give us details on how the spurs can possibly aquire lou williams without giving up anyone significant...

[rasuo214]

If the Spurs traded LMA they should want a guy capable of being the #2 on the team either now or in the near future. Otherwise you might as well ride it out and hope he shows up during the playoffs.

[tbdog]

Salaries wont match.

Maybe some experts can give us details on how the spurs can possibly aquire lou williams without giving up anyone significant...

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zfk8nle

[still.focused]

Not even close. I have advocated a LMA + Danny trade for Butler + Lopez for several months. But LMA + Danny for Butler + Lopez + McDermott also works, although Spurs would likely need to throw in pick(s) for the threesome.

Good looks
http://image.prntscr.com/image/0bc5fe03b1fd415080c52028230b7d5d.png
I was going off that + the fact that Chi is only asking a 1st rounder for Lopez
But if it takes including Danny Green im so wit it
Rim defender & rebounder, a certified 2 guard second option/defender and a backup wing
Seems like all goods
I need this to have some traction dammit!!!!

[sasaint]

Good looks
http://image.prntscr.com/image/0bc5fe03b1fd415080c52028230b7d5d.png
I was going off that + the fact that Chi is only asking a 1st rounder for Lopez
But if it takes including Danny Green im so wit it
Rim defender & rebounder, a certified 2 guard second option/defender and a backup wing
Seems like all goods
I need this to have some traction dammit!!!!

Your 3-player trade leaves the Spurs thin in the front court. That's one reason to throw in Danny (who would be reduced to a back-up role anyway) for RoLo.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

According to Zach Lowe's latest ESPN article (on the Pistons), the Spurs tried to get Stanley Johnson on the cheap in late November/December.

Wonder what 'on the cheap' means cause lottery drafted players on rookie deals are seldom cheap. Anderson+Simmons+1st?

[cd98]

According to Zach Lowe's latest ESPN article (on the Pistons), the Spurs tried to get Stanley Johnson on the cheap in late November/December.

Wonder what 'on the cheap' means cause lottery drafted players on rookie deals are seldom cheap. Anderson+Simmons+1st?

Johnson is a very Spurs-like player. I assume he's still not a good shooter but a good defender. The Spurs would probably try to Kawhi him and Detroit won't let themselves look like Indiana, esp after throwing money at below average Spurs bigs.

[diego]

That Manu is too old to be a penetrator is definitely a problem, but that's his role. Otherwise, the bench offense runs through Simmons, and it doesn't. Manu's USG% is still insanely high right now (third to Kawhi and LMA for bench players), so he's not playing as a spot-up guy. Even if he were, he's not very good at it. He shoots a good percentage, but he doesn't really fit in that role due to his shooting motion and lack of speed. He shoots by far the highest rate of unassisted threes on the team, which has to do with both the lack of penetrators and him being less dynamic off the ball as someone like Beli is.

Is it penetrator or facilitator? Are they the same thing? Its hard to spot up if you aren't setup. Who is supposed to do that, Simmons? Manu is 3Rd in usage (not counting Murray for obvious reasons) yet he is a whopping 1% over Mills, Parker and gasol and just 4% over Simmons. Manu is assisted on 78.5 of his 3s, Mills on 83.3. He also takes the 2nd least amount from the corners and "by far" the most heaves. He still shoots the same percentage as Danny 3pt specialist green. (kawhi shoots the least from the corners, no heaves, lower percentage than Manu). In fact he has more makes than 2/4 3pt specialists, and only one of the "specialists" shoots a higher percentage.

It's kind of funny that someone who likes to act cap savvy talking about manus contract as if it were relevant. He was the last player to fill capspace and the Spurs offered him all that was left precisely because it didn't really matter, it's a one year contract. The year before he took a fifth of what he did now to fit Aldridge. Name a better player available this summer that would have signed a one year contract for that role, for whatever amount, nevermind after most good players had already signed.

The bench offense runs through Manu and Mills and sharing the ball as it has for years now, and by the way the bench continues to be one of the strengths of the team.

[coachmac87]

Would love Lou Williams on this team. Living in LA, I watch a lot of lakers games and he's been ballin' these past couple seasons (on a bad team, yea). Nevertheless, He's instant offense off the bench and a clutch shot maker. If only the Lakers would trade him for fodder tbh. Reports suggest he's definitely being traded before the deadline.


Patty+Anderson for Lou Williams

[spursistan]

According to Zach Lowe's latest ESPN article (on the Pistons), the Spurs tried to get Stanley Johnson on the cheap in late November/December.

Wonder what 'on the cheap' means cause lottery drafted players on rookie deals are seldom cheap. Anderson+Simmons+1st?

Just read that..But apparently he has terrible work ethics..Still they would probably hold on to him than deliver him to the Spurs/Chip :lol...Stan Van Gundy is good coach, but he is stuck with a core players that just don't set a good example (Drummond, Reggie, Morris etc..)..At least in Orlando it was only one guy, Dwight, but he was an early bloomer and so talented that it didn't matter..As Lowe projects, I think they are ripe for a shakeup move before the deadline or in the summer..

[TheGreatYacht]

Zach Hoe also said the Pistons are seeing what they can get for Drummond and Reggie Jackson.

Most likely fake news

[Chinook]

Is it penetrator or facilitator? Are they the same thing? Its hard to spot up if you aren't setup. Who is supposed to do that, Simmons? Manu is 3Rd in usage (not counting Murray for obvious reasons) yet he is a whopping 1% over Mills, Parker and gasol and just 4% over Simmons. Manu is assisted on 78.5 of his 3s, Mills on 83.3. He also takes the 2nd least amount from the corners and "by far" the most heaves. He still shoots the same percentage as Danny 3pt specialist green. (kawhi shoots the least from the corners, no heaves, lower percentage than Manu). In fact he has more makes than 2/4 3pt specialists, and only one of the "specialists" shoots a higher percentage.

First, things like 4.5-percent differences are huge. Second, Patty having a higher shooting percentage makes him shooting unassisted shots completely different. Mills is not the focal point of the bench. His unassisted shots don't come from taking slow step-backs. Anyway, when you cite Manu's 3P%, you miss the point of what I'm saying. It's not about how many you make or how well you make them when you shoot. It's about how you get them. Manu isn't a dynamic off-ball shooter. He probably never really was given that he's usually an on-ball player.


It's kind of funny that someone who likes to act cap savvy talking about manus contract as if it were relevant.

People need to stop perpetuating the lie that Manu's contract didn't count against the cap. It did, just not the whole thing. While I'm not complaining about how much Manu made given his Bird status, the team could have used $6 Million on something else that might have been better. That could have meant turning Gasol into Whiteside or getting Dedmon to sign a longer-term deal. Who knows? But yes, it counts, and it's relevant.


The year before he took a fifth of what he did now to fit Aldridge.

Now this IS irrelevant. Why he's paid what he's paid doesn't change the math for the team.


nevermind after most good players had already signed.

There wasn't a timing issue with Manu. Had they wanted to move on, they could have done so on July 6.


The bench offense runs through Manu and Mills and sharing the ball as it has for years now, and by the way the bench continues to be one of the strengths of the team.

The fuck does this have to do with anything? Look, if you just want to semen-shield for Manu, I'm not here to stop you. But that doesn't change the fact that he isn't playing off the ball, isn't a spot-up shooter and wouldn't particularly benefit from playing next to a ball-dominant guard like Barton instead of Patty. You can love Manu all you want, but if you think there's a problem with the penetration on the team, look to the guy who can't penetrate anymore or the guy who isn't yet (and may never be) good enough to penetrate consistently. Don't look to the guy who's supposed to shoot and is essentially leading the team in 3P%.

[Seventyniner]

Manu is definitely an on-ball player. Always has been. He and Parker were never a yin-and-yang fit but in the mid 2000s they were so damn good it didn't matter. Having two guards capable of driving, finishing, and passing is quite a luxury.

The problem we're seeing is that Parker and Green fit well together in terms of skillsets, as do Manu and Mills. But no other backcourt combination really works. Simmons can drive and finish but isn't a good passer.

[SAGirl]

Patty is doing a lot of PnR lately... a lot. Might it be tied to his struggles shooting going on a few gamesxb4 last?

[diego]

First, things like 4.5-percent differences are huge. Second, Patty having a higher shooting percentage makes him shooting unassisted shots completely different. Mills is not the focal point of the bench. His unassisted shots don't come from taking slow step-backs. Anyway, when you cite Manu's 3P%, you miss the point of what I'm saying. It's not about how many you make or how well you make them when you shoot. It's about how you get them. Manu isn't a dynamic off-ball shooter. He probably never really was given that he's usually an on-ball player.



People need to stop perpetuating the lie that Manu's contract didn't count against the cap. It did, just not the whole thing. While I'm not complaining about how much Manu made given his Bird status, the team could have used $6 Million on something else that might have been better. That could have meant turning Gasol into Whiteside or getting Dedmon to sign a longer-term deal. Who knows? But yes, it counts, and it's relevant.



Now this IS irrelevant. Why he's paid what he's paid doesn't change the math for the team.



There wasn't a timing issue with Manu. Had they wanted to move on, they could have done so on July 6.



The fuck does this have to do with anything? Look, if you just want to semen-shield for Manu, I'm not here to stop you. But that doesn't change the fact that he isn't playing off the ball, isn't a spot-up shooter and wouldn't particularly benefit from playing next to a ball-dominant guard like Barton instead of Patty. You can love Manu all you want, but if you think there's a problem with the penetration on the team, look to the guy who can't penetrate anymore or the guy who isn't yet (and may never be) good enough to penetrate consistently. Don't look to the guy who's supposed to shoot and is essentially leading the team in 3P%.

you are arguing both ways. First, you say manu's role is to penetrate/facilitate, then you complain his usage rate is insane (again, 1% higher than patty, parker, gasol)- if he is supposed to penetrate/facilitate he has the ball in his hands and has a high usage percent. Do you think patty, tp and gasol have insane usage rates too? he is shooting more from 3 than ever in his career FYI.

you complain his salary is too high (you said for the penetrator/facilitator as a group, but obviously the big contracts are tony and manu), but then you talk about more money into bigs with that capspace. how would that help the team exactly, didnt you say the deficit is in penetration and facilitating? find me a penetrating/facilitating wing to replace manu with those 6M at any point of free agency. and last years salary is relevant, obviously manu isnt 5 times better now than last year (nor did people expect less of him last year), but the spurs paid him for making a sacrifice. 16.8m / 2yrs has different optics than 2.8 / yr + 14M / yr, even if the money is equal. at 8.45M / yr danny green becomes the 5th highest paid player instead of manu.

apparently its better to be like danny green and rely on the team to set you up, than be able to create for yourself and others. apparently its better to be one dimensional than contribute in multiple areas. apparently its ok to be outplayed by a 39 year old if you get paid less regardless of circumstances. and im the one semen shielding...

[dabom]

Manu and Tonys role is to penetrate. That is their skills. The Spurs have developed and signed players to fit their strengths. It's just now Manu and Tony can't don't anymore. They are old. Is that the other players' fault? :lol

It's not LMA or Pau or green or Patty's fault that Tony and Manu suck now. But the team was built around the original big 3.

[sasaint]

Chinook, what are Manu's on-ball and off-ball 3-point percentages? I thought he was consciously making a transition to a spot-up 3-point shooter and he was doing so with success. I really thought he was becoming a Steve Kerr or Robert Horry for this team, and I was excited to see it. He still has games where he tries to be the young Manu, which really irritates me, but I guess your point is well taken: since the Spurs do not have a strong, reliable penetrator on the roster, they have to do it by committee. I sure wish Manu would just channel some Kerr/Horry and refrain from his "playmaking" efforts, but I am surprised that you indicated that he was not as effective shooting the 3 off the ball.

[Chinook]

you are arguing both ways. First, you say manu's role is to penetrate/facilitate, then you complain his usage rate is insane (again, 1% higher than patty, parker, gasol)- if he is supposed to penetrate/facilitate he has the ball in his hands and has a high usage percent. Do you think patty, tp and gasol have insane usage rates too? he is shooting more from 3 than ever in his career FYI.

This is pretty indicative of your problem. I am not "complaining" about Manu's usage. I am pointing to that as one of the many factors to counter your assertion that Manu has a different role than before. He has the same role; he just can't do it as well.


you complain his salary is too high (you said for the penetrator/facilitator as a group, but obviously the big contracts are tony and manu), but then you talk about more money into bigs with that capspace.

I don't complain that his money is to high. I "complain" about people complaining about Patty not being a penetrator when that's not his job. The Spurs' problem isn't that their shooters don't penetrate. It's that their penetrators don't penetrate. Moving Mills for Barton robs Peter to pay Paul and thus doesn't actually help the team like moving Simmons for Barton would (which is impossible besides salary). That you think this is an attack on Manu is your fault.


the spurs paid him for making a sacrifice. 16.8m / 2yrs has different optics than 2.8 / yr + 14M / yr, even if the money is equal. at 8.45M / yr danny green becomes the 5th highest paid player instead of manu.

It doesn't matter how you want to spin it. If the problem with the Spurs' guards is that they aren't good enough, and $30 Million is being used on two mostly washed-up guards, it's a problem. If you don't think the guard play is an issue, then it's whatever. But acting like $4-Million Patty who's leading the team in 3P% needs to be moved to cover up for Manu's decline is just not smart. He's upholding his salary.


apparently its better to be like danny green and rely on the team to set you up, than be able to create for yourself and others.

Fucking yes. Why is this so hard for people to understand? Being great at everything is better than being one-dimensional. Being mediocre at everything isn't. It's not rocket science, despite the fact that we on ST have to go through this every season.


im the one semen shielding...

Yes, you are, because you took offense to a post about Mills vs Barton and made it Mills vs Manu. And when that didn't work, you made it Green vs Manu. It's semen-shielding at its finest. You can love Manu all you want. I don't care. I'm not even complaining about Manu. I do hate the lie that gets perpetuated that Manu didn't affect the cap, though. And I'm not going to act like the third- and fourth-highest paid guards are at fault because the top two guys can't play worth their contracts anymore.

[TheGreatYacht]

^ damn.

Manu rolling in his grave after that burial

[spursistan]

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[BatManu20]

Why do teams keep trading for Jeff Greene? He's not good.

[NASpurs]

Why do teams keep trading for Jeff Greene? He's not good.


His $15 million expiring contract is attractive if the Pistons are doing this to have cap space next year while Reggie Jackson is still on the books for 3 more years.

[SAGirl]

And apparently (some article I read about the emergence of Kentavious Caldwell-Pope)... not that I watch the Pistons... they had adapted their system to play off their wings and forwards and were winning games with KCP emergence as a really interesting offensive player. Reggie getting healthy altered their chemistry and their system and made them worse. He's ball dominant and not useful if he's not the one doing the scoring, etc.

Maybe there are egos involved too. If anyone has watched them, they can add to this. But it's more likely related to them wanting to move Reggie out... (Green's expiring is enticing for them too. Pistons eyeing Patty or Simmons, or some Spur FA lol :lol ) Nah just kidding.

I suppose ... not sure but ok move for Magic. They were benching Payton this season and needed someone better than Augustin.

[BatManu20]

His $15 million expiring contract is attractive if the Pistons are doing this to have cap space next year while Reggie Jackson is still on the books for 3 more years.

Makes sense.

[spursistan]

832722739895083008

Just how bad Rob Hennigan is?

Magic FO are on a terrifying run of ineptness :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

^^Doubt it's a credible source, tbh..

[LittleCriminal]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zqsocbw

This trade works for me.. Do it RC!!

[LittleCriminal]

Or Anderson, Parker and Forbes for Jimmy Butler!!

[spursistan]

832787069265125376

[CGD]

832722739895083008

Just how bad Rob Hennigan is?

Magic FO are on a terrifying run of ineptness :lol

No way dude. What would have been too "steep" with that shit Orlando roster to turn down such a deal?

[TheDoctor]

832787069265125376
Rumor has it that every 6 years Indiana willl "gift" SanAn the next Kawhi.

Just do it Roberto Carmela Buford. Mills et al are available tbh

[Spurs9]

Rumor has it that every 6 years Indiana willl "gift" SanAn the next Kawhi.

Just do it Roberto Carmela Buford. Mills et al are available tbh

SA wasn't gifted Khawi, they got the pick and drafted him. Its easy to say a team should have drafted x player after they have developed.

[TheDoctor]

SA wasn't gifted Khawi, they got the pick and drafted him. Its easy to say a team should have drafted x player after they have developed.
"gift"

[SAGirl]

Rumor has it that every 6 years Indiana willl "gift" SanAn the next Kawhi.

Just do it Roberto Carmela Buford. Mills et al are available tbh
They want frontcourt help... bigs basically, rebounders. They could have made a move for Noel, Nurkic, etc...

edit: thinking about it they may not want a young player and want a veteran. Pau for example.. which I suspect it's a no from RC.

[TheDoctor]

They want frontcourt help... bigs basically, rebounders. They could have made a move for Noel, Nurkic, etc...

edit: thinking about it they may not want a young player and want a veteran. Pau for example.. which I suspect it's a no from RC.

Let's do a 3-way team then. Mills, Fathead and Simmons to Philly. Noel to Indy. Indy's 1st round pick aka the next Kawhi going home, again.

[SAGirl]

Let's do a 3-way team then. Mills, Fathead and Simmons to Philly. Noel to Indy. Indy's 1st round pick aka the next Kawhi going home, again.

That trade leaves 3 holes in the team right this second and Ginobili just got his annual injury. But I think your general point is that there could be some way to make it happen if RC really wanted to make that trade. I think they will do their due diligence.

Plus I think Indy wants a more veteran player than Noel. They don't want youngsters. We shall see what happens. What's shocking is how they treated George last season and how they are having to backtrack their previous stance.

[dabom]

Read that wrong. :lol

[tmtcsc]

Why do teams keep trading for Jeff Greene? He's not good.

Meh, both teams are just shuffling chairs around on the Titanic. Both gonna sink regardless.

[TheDoctor]

That trade leaves 3 holes in the team right this second and Ginobili just got his annual injury...

I wasn't talking about doing it now but at the end of the season actually. You don't trade 3 rotational players at once at this time of the Season when you're the 2nd best team in the league fighting for a Championship. Unless you're getting a Clyde Drexler type of player (tier not position) in exchange.

[SAGirl]

I wasn't talking about doing it now but at the end of the season actually. You don't trade 3 rotational players at once at this time of the Season when you're the 2nd best team in the league fighting for a Championship. Unless you're getting a Clyde Drexler type of player (tier not position) in exchange.
Oh that makes more sense... Personally I think they stand pat this season for that same reason. The offseason is another matter. They traded Tiago, Diaw and made all their moves in the offseason and this should not be different... but Indiana wants help for this season right now. They are in 7th? place in the Eastern conference but have had a losing streak and Paul George is complaining about wanting to play for a winning team.
They need help right now.

[sasaint]

As much as some of us wish they would, the Spurs will not make any deals before the deadline. They have two types of players: 1) players who are untouchable for a variety of reasons, and 2) players who are on such cheap contracts that they wouldn't net anybody in exchange who would move the needle this season.

[palangi]

That trade leaves 3 holes in the team right this second and Ginobili just got his annual injury. But I think your general point is that there could be some way to make it happen if RC really wanted to make that trade. I think they will do their due diligence.

Plus I think Indy wants a more veteran player than Noel. They don't want youngsters. We shall see what happens. What's shocking is how they treated George last season and how they are having to backtrack their previous stance.
Bring up Hollis Thompson from Austin. Then may become the 2nd PG. Let Forbes be the 3rd the 3rd PG, his shooting is as good and anybody plays as good as D as Mills. Then have the pacers throw Georges Niang in the trade to replace KA.

Holes filled

PG- parker, Murray, Forbes
SG- green, Thompson, Manu
SF- Leonard, bertans, Niang
PF- LMA, Lee,
C - gasol, dedmon, Anthony

[cjw]

That trade leaves 3 holes in the team right this second and Ginobili just got his annual injury. But I think your general point is that there could be some way to make it happen if RC really wanted to make that trade. I think they will do their due diligence.

Plus I think Indy wants a more veteran player than Noel. They don't want youngsters. We shall see what happens. What's shocking is how they treated George last season and how they are having to backtrack their previous stance.

Right, that guts the back end of wing depth (would Bertans be the fourth wing?) plus puts too much reliance on Parker and Murray. The Spurs WOULD get three small trade exceptions that could be used in separate trades to bring in a rotation piece.

[SAGirl]

Bring up Hollis Thompson from Austin. Then may become the 2nd PG. Let Forbes be the 3rd the 3rd PG, his shooting is as good and anybody plays as good as D as Mills. Then have the pacers throw Georges Niang in the trade to replace KA.

Holes filled

PG- parker, Murray, Forbes
SG- green, Thompson, Manu
SF- Leonard, bertans, Niang
PF- LMA, Lee,
C - gasol, dedmon, Anthony
Pop has not played Bertans as a wing the entire season. He has his rookies to train for upcoming seasons and team building. It's just how it is. You promote 3 rooms in spots (Forbes unknown if he's even a rotation quality player and send out guys that are producing right now at very cheap prices anyways) your trade makes the team worse tbh.