Report: Clippers Looking to Add Carmelo to Big 3

[BatManu20]

First reported by Sam Amick. Would help solve their SF woes and if they can acquire him w/o giving up any of their big three, it's a no-brainer imo. Not sure who/what they'd give up though. I imagine a number of future picks + Crawford and Wes Johnson or Paul Pierce to make the numbers match. Clips are already a bad matchup for us. Would this worry you tbh? Just curious where people stand on this. Discuss.


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[Robz4000]

They'd lose Auscrub and Crawful to get FatMelo. Makes them somewhat easier for the Spurs to handle imo.

[Chillen]

Yeah, it's a problem if it happens. There is already an all-star team in San Francisco, a Melo, Griffin, Paul, Jordan, JJ core is going to make getting out of the West even tougher. Right now the Spurs biggest threat is GSW.

[Ice009]

Shit. He's not that good anymore as far as being a superstar that leads a team goes, but darn, this isn't going to help us. As a third option, it's going to form another super team to deal with, and the Spurs already have enough problems with the Clippers.

[Robz4000]

Yeah, it's a problem if it happens. There is already an all-star team in San Francisco, a Melo, Griffin, Paul, Jordan, JJ core is going to make getting out of the West even tougher. Right now the Spurs biggest threat is GSW.


Shit. He's not that good anymore as far as being a superstar that leads a team goes, but darn, this isn't going to help us. As a third option, it's going to form another super team to deal with, and the Spurs already have enough problems with the Clippers.

Have y'all watched FatMelo lately? Or seen how Reddick/Baby Rivers/Crawford have destroyed the Spurs since 2015? You add a player that Kawhi has destroyed on numerous occasions to a team that he struggles against unlike any other in the league, while they lose 2/3 players that play like stars against the Spurs. Completely changes that matchup between the two teams.

[BillMc]

Have y'all watched FatMelo lately? Or seen how Reddick/Baby Rivers/Crawford have destroyed the Spurs since 2015? You add a player that Kawhi has destroyed on numerous occasions to a team that he struggles against unlike any other in the league, while they lose 2/3 players that play like stars against the Spurs. Completely changes that matchup between the two teams.

This. There is a reason Phil will take lesser talent back for him.

[BillMc]

First reported by Sam Amick. Would help solve their SF woes and if they can acquire him w/o giving up any of their big three, it's a no-brainer imo. Not sure who/what they'd give up though. I imagine a number of future picks + Crawford and Wes Johnson or Paul Pierce to make the numbers match. Clips are already a bad matchup for us. Would this worry you tbh? Just curious where people stand on this. Discuss.


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Phil trying to bolster the "other" LA team to make Jeanie feel bad. :lol

[Ice009]

I hope that is the case then.

[Leetonidas]

Almost certainly means that if they trade for melo without giving up their big three it will include JJ, crawford, and rivers who always shit on us :lol

Add another ball dominant iso chucker and get rid of some of 3pt shooters...hope the clips trade for this cancer tbh

[TD 21]

If this eventually comes to fruition, there's no chance Redick is included. He's vital to the Clippers and it's not as if it couldn't work without his salary. Pierce's corpse won't be included either, because Rivers wouldn't do that to him. It would more than likely be Rivers, Crawford and one of (Brice) Johnson or Stone and possibly a future pick.

Say what you want about Anthony, but that would be a no brainer for the Clippers.

[Spurs9]

Almost certainly means that if they trade for melo without giving up their big three it will include JJ, crawford, and rivers who always shit on us :lol

Add another ball dominant iso chucker and get rid of some of 3pt shooters...hope the clips trade for this cancer tbh

Probably all 3 for them, or some combo with JJ and Crawford, I don't see Doc giving up his son :cry

[gambit1990]

i hate melo. glad he didn't make the all star team.

[BillMc]

i hate melo. glad he didn't make the all star team.
+1billion

[Spur|n|Austin]

i hate melo. glad he didn't make the all star team.

It's even better he didn't make it after his self promotion on twitter :lol

[alpha_HaZE]

I wouldn't do it, if I was the Clippers. At least for this year is not going to help, maybe next year with a full training camp and a better set of role players.

Do you think that all three Melo, Blake and DeAndre can start?

[Robz4000]

If this eventually comes to fruition, there's no chance Redick is included. He's vital to the Clippers and it's not as if it couldn't work without his salary. Pierce's corpse won't be included either, because Rivers wouldn't do that to him. It would more than likely be Rivers, Crawford and one of (Brice) Johnson or Stone and possibly a future pick.

Say what you want about Anthony, but that would be a no brainer for the Clippers.

It'd help them in just about every other match up since their roleplayers don't show up like they do against the Spurs and a lot of teams don't have someone like Kawhi to react bother FatMelo.

[CGD]

Their spacing would be terrible. I assume JJ and Crawford would be in the deal for it to make sense for NYC, which further complicates things on that front.

Melo and Blake are kind of duplicative these days. If you told me one of them was a consistent 3 ball threat then that's another question, but that's not the case. Now if you told me that acquiring Melo was a precursor to them moving Blake for something else good (like some of the Celtics young parts), then I'd be more concerned.

[BillMc]

It's even better he didn't make it after his self promotion on twitter :lol
:toast:lol

[Vokun]

Whatever gets the ball outta Paul and Griffin's hands, I'm all for it.

[Kawhitstorm]

First reported by Sam Amick. Would help solve their SF woes and if they can acquire him w/o giving up any of their big three, it's a no-brainer imo. Not sure who/what they'd give up though. I imagine a number of future picks + Crawford and Wes Johnson or Paul Pierce to make the numbers match. Clips are already a bad matchup for us. Would this worry you tbh? Just curious where people stand on this. Discuss.


Carmelo has a 15% trade kicker which will mean the Cripples would most likely be hard-capped, so they can't even add minimum salary players to replace Crawford.

[ducks]

With cp3 and Blake injury prone it would be 2
Sucks for them they overpaid rivers

[Hoops Czar]

Have y'all watched FatMelo lately? Or seen how Reddick/Baby Rivers/Crawford have destroyed the Spurs since 2015? You add a player that Kawhi has destroyed on numerous occasions to a team that he struggles against unlike any other in the league, while they lose 2/3 players that play like stars against the Spurs. Completely changes that matchup between the two teams.

LOL at acting like Austin Rivers and Jamal Crawford are the reasons why the Spurs struggle against the Clips, not Cp3, D-Jordan and Blake Griffin. Kawhi'so struggles have absolutely nothing to do with those two. Now, Paddy on the other hand :lol. And Reddick will not be part of any deal for Carmelo, you can bet your ass on that.

[coachmac87]

Their spacing would be terrible. I assume JJ and Crawford would be in the deal for it to make sense for NYC, which further complicates things on that front.

Melo and Blake are kind of duplicative these days. If you told me one of them was a consistent 3 ball threat then that's another question, but that's not the case. Now if you told me that acquiring Melo was a precursor to them moving Blake for something else good (like some of the Celtics young parts), then I'd be more concerned.

Terrible take....

[gospursgojas]

Would daddy trade son?

[cd021]

Probably
Crawford
Brice Johnson
Wesley Johnson

for
Carmello Anthony, Ndour and Baker (Knicks have 15 players and would either need to waive two players to add the two addition players in the trade or trade two of their cheapest contracts to make it work


PG-Paul-Rivers/Felton
SG-Redick-Crawford
SF-Anthony-Mbah Moute
PF-Girffin-Anthony (small ball 4)
C-Jordan-Speights

[cd021]

LOL at acting like Austin Rivers and Jamal Crawford are the reasons why the Spurs struggle against the Clips, not Cp3, D-Jordan and Blake Griffin. Kawhi'so struggles have absolutely nothing to do with those two. Now, Paddy on the other hand :lol. And Reddick will not be part of any deal for Carmelo, you can bet your ass on that.

Yeah, it wouldn't make since for the Knicks to aquire a player in his 30's that will either walk or command a big pay raise. Name of the game is to clear cap space, while also being bad in the process.

[PopTheGOAT]

Doesn't matter. Clippers will get the 4 seed and be eliminated in round 2 by GS, regardless tbqh fwiw imo fyi

[james evans]

Yeah, it's a problem if it happens. There is already an all-star team in San Francisco, a Melo, Griffin, Paul, Jordan, JJ core is going to make getting out of the West even tougher. Right now the Spurs biggest threat is GSW.
nope, it would make them easier for us. Crawford really kills us off the bench. If they add melo(a defensive impaired player) and get rid of him, I'm all for it. We know Leonard can guard melo and he's not the type to move without the ball, he wants iso all the time so I hope this happens.

[look_at_g_shred]

No way the Knicks are doing the deal if the trade isn't based around jj and Crawford

[Mr. Body]

Melo is a ball stopper who adds nothing good to a team on or off the court. The NYK would do just as well to waive him.

[Hoops Czar]

Probably
Crawford
Brice Johnson
Wesley Johnson

for
Carmello Anthony, Ndour and Baker (Knicks have 15 players and would either need to waive two players to add the two addition players in the trade or trade two of their cheapest contracts to make it work


PG-Paul-Rivers/Felton
SG-Redick-Crawford
SF-Anthony-Mbah Moute
PF-Girffin-Anthony (small ball 4)
C-Jordan-Speights

If it's Jamal Crawford, he'll be waived and the nano second he clears waivers, he'll be signing with Cleveland.

[peacemaker885]

As long as they get JJ we be all good.

[cutewizard]

Right, add that the Clippers locker room, makes them mentally weaker.....

what a fuck some of the teams in this league

[DeRozan m8]

Why is Paul Pierces name coming up? LMAO

He can barely walk anymore

[cd021]

As long as they get JJ we be all good.

Makes no since for the knicks to take Redick back in a trade. He's in his 30's and will either walk or command a big deal. Resigning him makes no since when Kristaps is only 21. The trade I posted above includes Wesley Johnson, Brice Johnson, and Jamal Crawford. It would save the knicks a boatload in cash and could allow for them to be a player in free agency.

[cd021]

If it's Jamal Crawford, he'll be waived and the nano second he clears waivers, he'll be signing with Cleveland.

I don't think he's a good player anymore, probably hasn't been for several years now. Cleveland is very crowded on the wing (Lebron, Shumpert, Korver, Smith, RJ) wouldn't make since but, then again, GM Lebron:lol

[mingus]

Almost certainly means that if they trade for melo without giving up their big three it will include JJ, crawford, and rivers who always shit on us :lol

Add another ball dominant iso chucker and get rid of some of 3pt shooters...hope the clips trade for this cancer tbh

+1

I can't remember Melo ever not being a positive for the us when we play against him. Sure, he's had a few big games & I know I haven't watched every time he plays us, but if my recollection serves correct, IMO it's a "great" thing for us (quotations bec. the Clips talent-wise, assuming they CAN put it together--talking at least this season, which will be tough to do considering he's a big piece (literally & figuratively LOL) & it will be an adjustment...maybe in the future things somehow work out & he's a stud for them--they'll still have the three guys that can go for 40 on any given night). It tips the balance more in our favor for this year at least IMO. Personally, I think he is who he is as a player though, & even next year or however long he stays (should he even go there), IMO it's a mistake winning-wise (he will bring in even more revenue though for sure) compared to if they went another route.

This move screams desperation. They'd be better off waiting for the right opportunity FA &/or trade-wise, adding other guys. Carmelo is just as you said, really: a cancer. He's a ball-stopper & a liability defensively. & the big problem is he's not really skilled at the things a good 3rd option needs to be skilled at at his position (eg. Klay Thompson, Kawhi a couple years ago), namely defense, spot-up shooting (esp. the 3, or at least can't recall him ever being), & ball movement. He doesn't bring any of the intangibles a 3rd wheel needs to have. & he's a one-dimensional, quack 1st option.

& as a 2nd option he doesn't work for the Clips bec. Paul & Griffin are better than him.

So yeah, I'd bet against the odds of it working out in their favor. It'll make the team more money (at least short term), because it's Carmelo, & he sells jerseys & fills seats (& I'm curious as to why the hell that is, he seems to have no personality). It's like people somehow still think he's the Bird to Lebron's Magic LOL. He's made a helluva lot of money based on publicity & promotions that he never really had to "work" for, just pretty much right place right time sorta thing...anyway went off on a tangent.

But back to what you said: it's reason to be happy as a Spurs' fan IMO.

[Fireball]

Clippers starting five when healthy is a well oiled machine ... probably better than anything the Spurs ever had ... putting someone like Melo in there ... I do not know if thats a good idea.

[Chillen]

Melo has Phil by the balls with that no trade clause. If the Clippers trade them crap it don't matter as long as they get some picks. If I was Phil I would be looking for picks in any Melo trade.

[cutewizard]

:bang

[dbestpro]

Clippers starting five when healthy is a well oiled machine ... probably better than anything the Spurs ever had ... putting someone like Melo in there ... I do not know if thats a good idea.

:lol

[NameLess Scrub]

Have y'all watched FatMelo lately? Or seen how Reddick/Baby Rivers/Crawford have destroyed the Spurs since 2015? You add a player that Kawhi has destroyed on numerous occasions to a team that he struggles against unlike any other in the league, while they lose 2/3 players that play like stars against the Spurs. Completely changes that matchup between the two teams.

Hopefully this.

But as Spurs9 said, Doc will hardly give up his son. Can Austin and Melo chuck enough to beat the Spurs??

[CGD]

Terrible take....

Awesome analysis dude

[mywastedlife900]

This would actually benefit the Spurs. Kawhi has never had that 1 main guy to guard against the clippers. He usually gets stuck on Reddick and they just run him around off screens all game in a bid to tire Kawhi out. Carmelo is a ball stopper, his game would limit the output of others plus Kawhi owns him. Hope this happens.

[$pursDynasty]

Knicks have to get something back if only for perception reasons, if the Clipper won't give up one of the big 3 they would have to demand Crawford and JJ, otherwise it looks like the Atlanta deal with Cleveland.

[urunobili]

They'd lose Auscrub and Crawful to get FatMelo. Makes them somewhat easier for the Spurs to handle imo.
So JJ wouldn't be part of the transaction?

[will_spurs]

Carmelo is like Dwight: any team they join immediately becomes a lot weaker. I'm all for it.

[Robz4000]

So JJ wouldn't be part of the transaction?

I'd think he would be, but he doesn't have to be. You'd figure NY would want a useful piece in return, though.

[GSH]

If it goes through, it moves both the Spurs and GS that much closer to a match-up in the WCF. Because it becomes less likely that one or the other is going out in the second round.

[Chinook]

Wonder if Phil is trying to sucker LAC into making a Billy King--like trade. A team as injured, old and unstable as the Clippers could be a goldmine for picks in three years.

[SAGirl]

Wonder if Phil is trying to sucker LAC into making a Billy King--like trade. A team as injured, old and unstable as the Clippers could be a goldmine for picks in three years.
I don't know about your reference... don't even know who Billy King is, but the Celtics/Nets trade comes to mind.

I really don't even watch the knicks so I don't know how Carmelo is doing these days... but honestly, getting rid of a bunch of roleplayers who helped you in some series and to survive the regular season to get a player that is probably going to be like Tony ... I don't know... and I mean that without being pejorative to Tony. Both players I think are around the age where they are somewhat washed up from what they were, you can no longer have them as the focus of an offense and they need to accept roles, etc... but are still capable of flashback games with enough frequency that they are not entirely and completely useless or washed up and can kill you for a game or two. Mind you, I haven't watched Melo, but just his recent knee ailments from last season and his surgery, I get the feeling he's not going to be banging as much. Lebron himself said once Melo was a bull, he'd wear you out incredibly on offense bc of how strong he is.

Anyways, just musings and to be honest... I would hate for the league to get less competitive by the Clippers becoming washed up.

[Chinook]

I don't know about your reference... don't even know who Billy King is, but the Celtics/Nets trade comes to mind.

I really don't even watch the knicks so I don't know how Carmelo is doing these days... but honestly, getting rid of a bunch of roleplayers who helped you in some series and to survive the regular season to get a player that is probably going to be like Tony ... I don't know... and I mean that without being pejorative to Tony. Both players I think are around the age where they are somewhat washed up from what they were, you can no longer have them as the focus of an offense and they need to accept roles, etc... but are still capable of flashback games with enough frequency that they are not entirely and completely useless or washed up and can kill you for a game or two. Mind you, I haven't watched Melo, but just his recent knee ailments from last season and his surgery, I get the feeling he's not going to be banging as much. Lebron himself said once Melo was a bull, he'd wear you out incredibly on offense bc of how strong he is.

Anyways, just musings and to be honest... I would hate for the league to get less competitive by the Clippers becoming washed up.

Billy King was the GM of the Nets who made that trade. Melo is still a good player (better than Kristaps even if people don't want to believe it). He'd definitely help the Clips. But he's 33 and could completely fall off at any moment, as could Paul and Griffin. We're talking 2021-2025 picks here. Could see Doc being fine with that since he's not likely to be around, and with what happened to the Nets, I think Phil could sell that trade to his fan base.

[r0drig0lac]

The trade nets / celtics was imposed by Prokhorov who wanted to contender team to start in the new location (at any cost), it's not all about billy king (maybe less than people think)

[GSH]

It's still a team sport, and 'Melo has never contributed as much to any team as his talent promised. He spent a lot of time bitching that he should have gotten at least as much attention as LeBron, etc. but never much building up teammates. You can argue about why his teams haven't had more success, but after a while you have to lay some of it on him. He had a lot of talent around him in Denver, and a good coach. If he had been as good as he thought (as good as LeBron) they would have made the Finals.



The trade nets / celtics was imposed by Prokhorov who wanted to contender team to start in the new location (at any cost), it's not all about billy king (maybe less than people think)


Prokhorov thought he was going to come in and buy a quick Championship.

[SAGirl]

Billy King was the GM of the Nets who made that trade. Melo is still a good player (better than Kristaps even if people don't want to believe it). He'd definitely help the Clips. But he's 33 and could completely fall off at any moment, as could Paul and Griffin. We're talking 2021-2025 picks here. Could see Doc being fine with that since he's not likely to be around, and with what happened to the Nets, I think Phil could sell that trade to his fan base.
hmmm

I think he does help the Clippers now, but you have a good point in how it affects the Clippers going forward. Doc has been terrible as a GM. He mentioned it hurts them that they are capped every season bc they can sign vets for a year who play well for them but then are unable to re-sign them. But OTOH, he hasn't looked to the draft to get a young roleplayer or two they can develop to help them.

[TD 21]

It'd help them in just about every other match up since their roleplayers don't show up like they do against the Spurs and a lot of teams don't have someone like Kawhi to react bother FatMelo.

Let's face it, this would be more about the Warriors and Cavaliers than Spurs. If any of the other 3 elites were given truth serum, they'd admit that they're confident that they could beat the Spurs in a series and in the case of the Warriors, they flat out don't even see them as a threat.

Also, it's not as if it would hurt them in a match-up with the Spurs. At the very least, Anthony would make it so that Leonard had to guard an offensive threat at all times.

It's low risk, (potential) high reward. At worst, they'd probably stay more or less the same, but at best, they could conceivably become the clear 2nd best team and have a puncher's chance versus the Warriors.

[cjw]

Melo is still a good player (better than Kristaps even if people don't want to believe it).

Some people around here are acting like Melo is totally washed up. He's fine, and yes better than KP still, and I think he can be a valuable piece on a team that's winning and a strong PG. Yes, he's ball dominant but that's partly as a result of not having played with a PG of Paul's caliber. Look at how his role on those Olympic teams.

If the Clippers get Melo and don't have to give up any of JJ/Jordan/Blake/Paul and don't absolutely gut their bench, they are going to be vastly improved assuming healthy come playoffs.

In a few years, that roster will have aged significantly though and it won't be pretty. With JJ, Blake, CP3 as pending FAs, you have to go all in.

[Nathan89]

Hopefully they drop to the 4th seed if they get Melo. Clippers are already a huge challenge for the Spurs. They'd definitely be favorites with Melo.

[GSH]

Some people around here are acting like Melo is totally washed up. He's fine, and yes better than KP still, and I think he can be a valuable piece on a team that's winning and a strong PG. Yes, he's ball dominant but that's partly as a result of not having played with a PG of Paul's caliber.


Andre Miller may not have been Chris Paul, but he was a damned good PG who averaged something like 8 AST/game playing alongside Anthony. If 'Melo needs a better PG than that to keep from being ball dominant, there's another problem. He played with Iverson and Anthony Carter who dished over a dozen AT/game between them that season. (That team also had Camby, Nene, JR Smith, and Kenyon Martin, and Linas Kleiza - and got swept in the first round.) The next year he had Chauncey Billups (who was a damn good PG at the time), Iverson, and Anthony Carter. Sorry, but that's about all the playmakers a guy should need to not be ball dominant.

In New York? Raymond Felton averaged 9 AST/game, and Billups was backing up to the tune of another 5.5 AST. They may not have been Chris Paul, but I'd love to have that kind consistent AST production from two guys on the Spurs. Hell their backup dished more dimes than Tony Parker is this year.

Carmelo isn't ball dominant because he doesn't have Chris Paul on the floor. And he wouldn't quit being ball dominant if he did play next to CP3. He's ball dominant because he's Carmelo.

[024]

Better hope the Rockets can hang on to the 3rd seed. Melo may be on the tail end of his prime but he's still a good offensive player. A change of scenery might be all he needs. And it's not like the Clippers had any trouble handing beat downs to the Spurs. Clippers probably won't even have to give up Redick, just an old Crawford.