Start Murray

[FkLA]

Fat Rique's services are no longer needed. Sorry French people, go root for Utah or something.

[Splits]

Pink OP.

It's a faggot.

[dabom]

:lol
Brazil already does. :lol

[midnightpulp]

Nah. Start parker, but keep him on a short leash. Murray as the main backup. House can come in and pad in garbage time or whatever.

[FkLA]

Nah. Start parker, but keep him on a short leash. Murray as the main backup. House can come in and pad in garbage time or whatever.

No thanks.

[RD2191]

And bench bum ass green.

[midnightpulp]

No thanks.

House is foreclosed. He's had one good game in a month. Dont know how much more evidence you need.

[spurraider21]

Poop gets an F today. I usually defend him but this was fucking awful

[SuperCam]

Meanwhle paddy shits his pants all over the court :lmao

[cd98]

Anthony just made his first basket as a Spur. Start Anthony thread coming soon.

[BanditHiro]

yep no reason for Murray to not get any meaningful minutes when Parker and Mills played as bad as they did

[FkLA]

House is foreclosed. He's had one good game in a month. Dont know how much more evidence you need.

Porker isn't an NBA starter anymore. Even worse, he doesn't realize it as he still tries to play hero way too often despite having a Top 3 player right next to him. He also doesn't fit with the second unit. He's the odd man out.

[Vokun]

WTF does Parker even bring anymore? Start the youth movement. It's not like we are getting past the Dubs anyway.

[FkLA]

Spurs win if Murray starts tonight. Get blown out if Porker starts at Cleveland and Toronto.

[dabom]

"Patty fits like a glove in the bench". Doesn't even take his own advice. :lmao

[Vokun]

Spurs win if Murray starts tonight. Get blown out if Porker starts at Cleveland and Toronto.

[FkLA]

"Patty fits like a glove in the bench". Doesn't even take his own advice. :lmao

Exactly what I was thinking. :lol

[FkLA]

Spurs up 11, on the brink of blowing the game open. Then a scrub forgets he's a scrub and goes into hero mode:





7:13
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LaMarcus Aldridge makes layup (Kawhi Leonard assists)
66 - 55



6:50
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Solomon Hill makes 27-foot three point jumper (Buddy Hield assists)
66 - 58



6:33
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Tony Parker bad pass (Solomon Hill steals)
66 - 58



6:33
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David Lee personal foul (Buddy Hield draws the foul)
66 - 58



6:33
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E'Twaun Moore enters the game for Buddy Hield
66 - 58



6:18
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Anthony Davis bad pass (David Lee steals)
66 - 58



6:11
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Tony Parker misses layup
66 - 58



6:09
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Anthony Davis defensive rebound
66 - 58



6:05
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Jrue Holiday makes dunk (Anthony Davis assists)
66 - 60



5:52
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Tony Parker misses 8-foot jumper
66 - 60



5:52
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Anthony Davis defensive rebound
66 - 60



5:46
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David Lee personal foul (Anthony Davis draws the foul)
66 - 60



5:46
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Patty Mills enters the game for Tony Parker
66 - 60

[Robz4000]

Poop gets an F today. I usually defend him but this was fucking awful

He's been wanting a loss like this for a while now. The deeper bench players have just been playing too good for that to happen until tonight.

[PopTheGOAT]

In all seriousness, Parker should still start with Patty coming off the bench. I say, give Murray some of Green/Simmons' minutes when Patty is playing. Let Murray run the point and patty can play 2. Murray can defend the 2.

[Splits]

Spurs up 11, on the brink of blowing the game open. Then a scrub forgets he's a scrub and goes into hero mode:





7:13
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LaMarcus Aldridge makes layup (Kawhi Leonard assists)
66 - 55



6:50
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Solomon Hill makes 27-foot three point jumper (Buddy Hield assists)
66 - 58



6:33
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Tony Parker bad pass (Solomon Hill steals)
66 - 58



6:33
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David Lee personal foul (Buddy Hield draws the foul)
66 - 58



6:33
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E'Twaun Moore enters the game for Buddy Hield
66 - 58



6:18
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Anthony Davis bad pass (David Lee steals)
66 - 58



6:11
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Tony Parker misses layup
66 - 58



6:09
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Anthony Davis defensive rebound
66 - 58



6:05
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Jrue Holiday makes dunk (Anthony Davis assists)
66 - 60



5:52
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Tony Parker misses 8-foot jumper
66 - 60



5:52
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Anthony Davis defensive rebound
66 - 60



5:46
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David Lee personal foul (Anthony Davis draws the foul)
66 - 60



5:46
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Patty Mills enters the game for Tony Parker
66 - 60












Dayum. 6 point lead when Pop panics, by the time TP is re-inserted we're down 8. 14 point swing with HOTS on the bench. Should have brought him back as soon as we lost the lead.

[GB20]

Parker is the oldest starting point guard in the nba

[midnightpulp]

FKLA is so stupidly biased, he'll blame Parker for anything :lol

Never mind the fact that Parker was on the floor when the Spurs got it up to 11. And it was STILL a 6 point lead when Pop brought in helmet crew favorite House, who did absolutely nothing but miss shots and play terrible defense. But House escapes criticism because he was good against the Clippers that one time.

[Ice009]

Fat Rique's services are no longer needed. Sorry French people, go root for Utah or something.

Go, go to the salt lakes french fans, go to the salt lake.

[sasaint]

yep no reason for Murray to not get any meaningful minutes when Parker and Mills played as bad as they did

There is, indeed, a reason: Pop... Just no good reason.

[FkLA]

FKLA is so stupidly biased, he'll blame Parker for anything :lol

Never mind the fact that Parker was on the floor when the Spurs got it up to 11. And it was STILL a 6 point lead when Pop brought in helmet crew favorite House, who did absolutely nothing but miss shots and play terrible defense. But House escapes criticism because he was good against the Clippers that one time.

He was out there as mainly a spectator when the lead got up to 11. Then he decided to put his hero cape on and shit went downhill. It's actually a great example of how cancerous he can be. There's nothing worse than a scrub who has no idea he's a scrub, tbh.

[sasaint]

Porker isn't an NBA starter anymore. Even worse, he doesn't realize it as he still tries to play hero way too often despite having a Top 3 player right next to him. He also doesn't fit with the second unit. He's the odd man out.

The truth is: Parker is an NBA starter as long as Pop says he is. Murray was riding a 6-game win streak as a starter but Pop glued him to the bench until garbage time - and then yanked him. I honestly thought Dijon could become the starter this season, but I completely forgot about that stubborn SOB, Pop. Smh!

[Harry Callahan]

Parker can't bring anything with consistency anymore. Nothing more than an average and even below average player now. Murray should be in the Mix.

The lack of Simmons energy was a bad thing and all of the starters tonight were bad (outside of Lee).

Lousy way to finish off a road trip. Today is one of those days where I wish I could not watch just about every game with the LPass.

[Harry Callahan]

Murray and Mills bring a lot more to the table at this moment.

The Spurs are in transition in some ways and Murray will have to be a big part of our team in the next few years. Parker will not stay healthy enough to put any long stretchs of good play together. The guy is 34 going on 35. Point guards are usually done at that age. Not Parkers fault, but all that experience is outweighed by the declining quickness/athletic ability. Father time always wins eventually.

Manu and Tony are really slowing down now. Sad but true.

[sasaint]

I confess and repent. I thought Murray might be close to supplanting Tony. Please forgive me, Pop, for losing sight of your awesome power!

[Harry Callahan]

Kawhi can cover up some of the stink on this roster, but tonight was a rotten performance from top to bottom.

We have young guys who are ready to be significant parts of the rotation. Bertans and Murray and simmons will not allow the Spurs to play with a lack of energy.

BTW Richard Jefferson should contract the AID for that cheap shot on Kawhi on Saturday. Now he is out of rhythm - he was out of sorts tonight.

[Ice009]

Yeah, as much as J Simmons irritates me when he passes up open shots, his energy was missed tonight. He can also get to the rim, which was severely lacking tonight.

[dabom]

I remember when we got rid of cancer starter for rookie. :tu

[SAGirl]

Spurs win if Murray starts tonight. Get blown out if Porker starts at Cleveland and Toronto.
I hate to bandwagon on player circles or anti-player circles as I am pretty neutral and root for everyone to play well...
but wow man I wonder about that.

Understaffed they took down two good teams, one bad team. Roleplayers got in a groove too.

This game was a shitfest. A lot of heroballing all around. Spurs were terrible. I can't even blame the young players, they were actually trying in this.. The vets shit the bed.

[Ice009]

Maybe the vets got jealous and tried to show the young guys they're still better than them, but unfortunately they shit the bed.

[SAGirl]

FKLA is so stupidly biased, he'll blame Parker for anything :lol

Never mind the fact that Parker was on the floor when the Spurs got it up to 11. And it was STILL a 6 point lead when Pop brought in helmet crew favorite House, who did absolutely nothing but miss shots and play terrible defense. But House escapes criticism because he was good against the Clippers that one time.
nah...he was terrible too.

[SAGirl]

The truth is: Parker is an NBA starter as long as Pop says he is. Murray was riding a 6-game win streak as a starter but Pop glued him to the bench until garbage time - and then yanked him. I honestly thought Dijon could become the starter this season, but I completely forgot about that stubborn SOB, Pop. Smh!
I really do wonder if the Spurs win the games they won on the road if some guys were healthy. I felt like Pop tanked this game.

[SAGirl]

I confess and repent. I thought Murray might be close to supplanting Tony. Please forgive me, Pop, for losing sight of your awesome power!
I didn't think about it for a second with Pop...
I think it will take a real losing skid of big magnitude for Pop to shake things up. Otherwise he's standing pat. Doesn't matter how good the deep bench players are playing, they were only holding down the fort until guys got healthy. Next season is different though.

I thought Manu was poor too. Murray could have played instead of him. Manu has under the radar been bad lately.

[sasaint]

I really do wonder if the Spurs win the games they won on the road if some guys were healthy. I felt like Pop tanked this game.

No doubt about it. I don't subscribe to that perspective on most losses (if not all) before tonight. But tonight just seemed blatant due to the way he handled Murray when Tony and Patty were both off. SMH!

[sasaint]

I didn't think about it for a second with Pop...
I think it will take a real losing skid of big magnitude for Pop to shake things up. Otherwise he's standing pat. Doesn't matter how good the deep bench players are playing, they were only holding down the fort until guys got healthy. Next season is different though.

I thought Manu was poor too. Murray could have played instead of him. Manu has under the radar been bad lately.

Not under my radar. Manu is toast. And Pop keeps playing him like it is 2010.

[Ice009]

This truly does suck. If he got benched in garbage time, then Pop has no interest in giving him minutes let alone starting him.

[sasaint]

This truly does suck. If he got benched in garbage time, then Pop has no interest in giving him minutes let alone starting him.

Yep. Totally burst my bubble.

[SAGirl]

No doubt about it. I don't subscribe to that perspective on most losses (if not all) before tonight. But tonight just seemed blatant due to the way he handled Murray when Tony and Patty were both off. SMH!
I don't normally subscribe to that either... despite his odd coaching lately, the team has had injuries and he has had no choice but to play rooks etc. it's actually the veterans I think who have been poor.... he's just less likely to adjust to a vet playing poorly. I don't know. It didn't give me a good feeling.

[spurraider21]

He's been wanting a loss like this for a while now. The deeper bench players have just been playing too good for that to happen until tonight.i just dont understand it... i get that parker is back, but why does that mean dejounte has to be completely out of the rotation :lol... neither parker nor mills had anything today

if bertans is cooking the way he is, why does kyle anderson get 17 minutes?

why is dedmon only getting 8 minutes?

[SAGirl]

i just dont understand it... i get that parker is back, but why does that mean dejounte has to be completely out of the rotation :lol... neither parker nor mills had anything today

if bertans is cooking the way he is, why does kyle anderson get 17 minutes?

why is dedmon only getting 8 minutes?
Dedmon is there for defense and didn't play well... I guess Pop also wanted to see Anthony who is in a 10 day contract to decide whether to sign him for the season or not.

Kyle and Bertans did not play the same spots... Kyle played the Simmons minutes at the wing (and was not as bad as you would think by the +/-... the bench could not defend to save their lives... Patty and Manu had poor games, but Patty specially bc on top of shooting poorly, he TO the ball, had trouble setting the offense, and was a particular sieve on defense.) Davis played strictly big minutes. He made shots and played well offensively which kept the bench in the game but was a very poor rim protector... actually awful... if you only look at box scores you'd miss these things.

[UZER]

Parker can't bring anything with consistency anymore. Nothing more than an average and even below average player now. Murray should be in the Mix.

The lack of Simmons energy was a bad thing and all of the starters tonight were bad (outside of Lee).

Lousy way to finish off a road trip. Today is one of those days where I wish I could not watch just about every game with the LPass.

Just like Manu. Yet Pop is STILL relying on both of these guys to be major contributors on this team.

[Spurs9]

I've been ready.

[sasaint]

I didn't think about it for a second with Pop...
I think it will take a real losing skid of big magnitude for Pop to shake things up. Otherwise he's standing pat. Doesn't matter how good the deep bench players are playing, they were only holding down the fort until guys got healthy. Next season is different though.

I thought Manu was poor too. Murray could have played instead of him. Manu has under the radar been bad lately.

Remains to be seen. Manu may be gone. But Tony will undoubtedly still be here. How will Pop use him when he is a year older - though probably not any wiser? :lol

[Old School 44]

i just dont understand it... i get that parker is back, but why does that mean dejounte has to be completely out of the rotation :lol... neither parker nor mills had anything today

if bertans is cooking the way he is, why does kyle anderson get 17 minutes?

why is dedmon only getting 8 minutes?

All of this. I'm not saying bench Parker or anyone for that matter. Murray had some very good games, time to build on that and give him some meaningful minutes. Instead, he gets what amounts to a DNP.

[UZER]

All of this. I'm not saying bench Parker or anyone for that matter. Murray had some very good games, time to build on that and give him some meaningful minutes. Instead, he gets what amounts to a DNP.

"It's part of the getting over yourself process."

-Pop

[TheDoctor]

Lots of Truth Nukes dropping in this thread.

[weebo]

lol@ thinking Murray is a savior. Any shot this team has of winning a 'ship this year will come from the guys that have been there before. Murray isn't good enough yet to run a team vs the elites. He may have flashes here and there and no doubt he has the potential to be great but why fuck with the kid's confidence...Parker should start and Patty is back up...Murray can come in and play spot minutes and start occasionally...Pop is doing right by the kid.

[FkLA]

lol@ thinking Murray is a savior. Any shot this team has of winning a 'ship this year will come from the guys that have been there before. Murray isn't good enough yet to run a team vs the elites. He may have flashes here and there and no doubt he has the potential to be great but why fuck with the kid's confidence...Parker should start and Patty is back up...Murray can come in and play spot minutes and start occasionally...Pop is doing right by the kid.

Remember the last time Pop got rid of a guy to make room for a rookie? Or the last time he got rid of an old PG to make room for a 19 year old PG?

Those two decisions were pretty idiotic, huh?

[HankChinaski]

Parker looked really bad last night. His first game back which is understandable. I do agree he has just gotten charlie horsed to many times by father time and looks like he is using a walker out there.

He still has tangibles in the offense. He is a black void on D. On ly thing that really annoys me is he does have a odd habit of not seeing Kawhi on the elbow to baseline for the pass. Basically it is juat Kawhi's side of the court and he continues to look in the opposite direction.

Murray has looked good out there over the last couple games want him to be ready to start he just needs more seasoning. He still should be more minutes now after the performances he has had especially if Patty is having the shooting slumps he has been having.

[weebo]

Remember the last time Pop got rid of a guy to make room for a rookie? Or the last time he got rid of an old PG to make room for a 19 year old PG?

Those two decisions were pretty idiotic, huh?

And remember that last time you said "Manziel is probably gonna be a HOFer within 5 years" :lol

What's your point?

different times brah.....

[gambit1990]

i just dont understand it... i get that parker is back, but why does that mean dejounte has to be completely out of the rotation :lol... neither parker nor mills had anything today

if bertans is cooking the way he is, why does kyle anderson get 17 minutes?

why is dedmon only getting 8 minutes?
yeah, all this. murray shouldn't get buried on the bench cause parker's back. and joel playing over dedmon ??? why on earth :lol

[Cry Havoc]

And remember that last time you said "Manziel is probably gonna be a HOFer within 5 years" :lol

What's your point?

different times brah.....

:lmao

[Capt Bringdown]

It'd be better risk management to develop an alternative to Parker, who is inconsistent at best at this stage of his career. Go with oldster or go with youth, it's a gamble either way.
Gee, I wonder which way Pop's going to turn?

[313]

Nah. Start parker, but keep him on a short leash. Murray as the main backup. House can come in and pad in garbage time or whatever.
+1

[GB20]

And remember that last time you said "Manziel is probably gonna be a HOFer within 5 years" :lol

What's your point?

different times brah.....

But pop likes the kid and that say a lot.

[FkLA]

And remember that last time you said "Manziel is probably gonna be a HOFer within 5 years" :lol

What's your point?

different times brah.....

My point was in response to your comment about sticking with the guys who have been there before. And no it's not different times at all, rookie Kawhi was given the reigns at SF not long ago. J Football has nothing to do with the subject at hand, tbh.

[FkLA]

i just dont understand it... i get that parker is back, but why does that mean dejounte has to be completely out of the rotation :lol... neither parker nor mills had anything today

if bertans is cooking the way he is, why does kyle anderson get 17 minutes?

why is dedmon only getting 8 minutes?

Unfortunate but not unexpected. CoJo started for like a month and a half a couple years ago due to injuries, played well, and as soon as Porker & Paddy returned was quickly phased out of the rotation. Murray will almost certainly suffer the same fate, tbh.

[Cklbmk]

Unfortunate but not unexpected. CoJo started for like a month and a half a couple years ago due to injuries, played well, and as soon as Porker & Paddy returned was quickly phased out of the rotation. Murray will almost certainly suffer the same fate, tbh.


I fully expect Mills to be gone after this year.

Someones going to offer him a lot of money and Spurs gotta decide between Mills, Dedmon, and Simmons. I doubt they can pay all 3.

[Robz4000]

i just dont understand it... i get that parker is back, but why does that mean dejounte has to be completely out of the rotation :lol... neither parker nor mills had anything today

if bertans is cooking the way he is, why does kyle anderson get 17 minutes?

why is dedmon only getting 8 minutes?

Been calling Pop out for a while now for his coaching. His rotations and lineups oftentimes make literally no sense.

[weebo]

My point was in response to your comment about sticking with the guys who have been there before. And no it's not different times at all, rookie Kawhi was given the reigns at SF not long ago. J Football has nothing to do with the subject at hand, tbh.

It has a lot to the subject at hand. Pop had to go to KL because he was already heads and shoulders above what we had at the position, specifically defensively. If you remember Dick Jefferson, he was doing nothing. From a pg's standpoint, TP knows the Spurs offensive sets better than any pg on the roster right now. Murray will get his chance one day to start and I hope he ends up being a better pg than TP ever was, but his time isn't now.

[DJR210]

Throw him into the fire just like they did Parker tbh.. No point in delaying his growth, let him learn on the fly

[lilbthebasedgod]

Manziel is probably gonna be a HOFer in 5 years tbh

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Pop is a stubborn old piece of shit. He won't start Murray. He'd rather lose with Parker because he hates rookies.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

If Pop didn't bench Parker for Corey Joseph when he was absolutely the worst starting point guard I've ever seen against the clippers 2 years ago than he won't change now. He's a stubborn old fuck who likes to pretend he's progressive and a forward thinker, but in reality he's just a tinny man with an inferiority complex that hates change and going off script.

[GSH]

LOL... in that stretch you posted, the Pels caught up 5 points. And 3 of those were on the first play that was a 3-pointer by Solomon Hill, who wasn't Tony's man. Why didn't you start with the play right after that? Don't answer... it's because if you had started after that 3-pointer, there would only have been a 2-point swing in the game, and you couldn't make your dumbshit "point". :lol

But thanks for playing.

[unleashbaynes]

Murray should absolutely play over Mills. Get it the fuck together Pop.

[FkLA]

Murray should absolutely play over Mills. Get it the fuck together Pop.

Mills is a back-up. Just lol at getting mad at him because he doesn't come in and bail out the $15 mill/yr fat hero every single time.

0-2 since the fat hero returned but let's blame it on Paddy