View Full Version : For Journalists Who've Worked In China, New White House Tactics Seem Familiar
boutons_deux
01-29-2017, 07:39 AM
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To me, all this sounded like standard operating procedure in authoritarian China, where I'd spent a decade as a reporter.
The White House seemed to be using the same tactics the Chinese government routinely uses against the foreign press corps: Make false claims to support an alternative narrative. When challenged, threaten reporters — and then try to delegitimize them.
Like the new White House, the Chinese government has tried over the years to convince citizens not to believe their own eyes. For instance, when smog enveloped Chinese cities, the government would insist it was really just fog.
The Chinese government is much more candid about its air pollution crisis these days, but still tries to manage reality and mislead citizens. Earlier this month, the government ordered provincial officials (http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2017/01/minitrue-amend-headlines-smog-forecast-request/) to halt smog warnings and then censored news of the order when it leaked.
When under fire, another favored tactic of the Chinese government is to misdirect and then try to discredit the press corps. Conway took a similar approach last weekend. Faced with repeated questions on Sunday about Spicer's false statements, she went on the offensive,
Even as the president keeps making false claims that many fellow Republicans reject, he continues to attack the integrity of the reporters who challenge him. In a speech last weekend at the CIA, he called members of the news media "among the most dishonest human beings on earth."
This reminds me of the way the Chinese government has spent years impugning the honesty of the international media and suggesting it is part of a broad Western conspiracy to keep China down.
Pressuring journalists is common in other authoritarian states in Asia, too. Nguyen Phuong Linh, who spent five years as a reporter for the Financial Times and Reuters in Hanoi, said Vietnamese authorities phoned her frequently about stories they didn't like.
"Every time I quoted someone who said something against the official statement, they said, 'No, your fact is not fact,"
They'd say, "'I think we have to reconsider our relationship,'" Nguyen recalls, "exactly like Kellyanne Conway just said."
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/01/25/511460917/for-journalists-whove-worked-in-china-new-white-house-tactics-seem-familiar
OT: OMG - Federer! Never gave up - even when down 2 breaks in the set.
Wild Cobra
01-29-2017, 02:24 PM
LOL...
The reporters don't know what to do, being called out for their lies, and then try to equate Trump to China...
LOL...
LOL...
The first news organizations to start getting the facts straight, will become the predominant ones. We just might see CNN, MSNBC, and all the other top M$M move to the back of the bus.
boutons_deux
01-29-2017, 03:20 PM
LOL...
The reporters don't know what to do, being called out for their lies, and then try to equate Trump to China...
LOL...
LOL...
The first news organizations to start getting the facts straight, will become the predominant ones. We just might see CNN, MSNBC, and all the other top M$M move to the back of the bus.
WC falls into Trash's SS ranks as a "good German"
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To me, all this sounded like standard operating procedure in authoritarian China, where I'd spent a decade as a reporter.
The White House seemed to be using the same tactics the Chinese government routinely uses against the foreign press corps: Make false claims to support an alternative narrative. When challenged, threaten reporters — and then try to delegitimize them.
Like the new White House, the Chinese government has tried over the years to convince citizens not to believe their own eyes. For instance, when smog enveloped Chinese cities, the government would insist it was really just fog.
The Chinese government is much more candid about its air pollution crisis these days, but still tries to manage reality and mislead citizens. Earlier this month, the government ordered provincial officials (http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2017/01/minitrue-amend-headlines-smog-forecast-request/) to halt smog warnings and then censored news of the order when it leaked.
When under fire, another favored tactic of the Chinese government is to misdirect and then try to discredit the press corps. Conway took a similar approach last weekend. Faced with repeated questions on Sunday about Spicer's false statements, she went on the offensive,
Even as the president keeps making false claims that many fellow Republicans reject, he continues to attack the integrity of the reporters who challenge him. In a speech last weekend at the CIA, he called members of the news media "among the most dishonest human beings on earth."
This reminds me of the way the Chinese government has spent years impugning the honesty of the international media and suggesting it is part of a broad Western conspiracy to keep China down.
Pressuring journalists is common in other authoritarian states in Asia, too. Nguyen Phuong Linh, who spent five years as a reporter for the Financial Times and Reuters in Hanoi, said Vietnamese authorities phoned her frequently about stories they didn't like.
"Every time I quoted someone who said something against the official statement, they said, 'No, your fact is not fact,"
They'd say, "'I think we have to reconsider our relationship,'" Nguyen recalls, "exactly like Kellyanne Conway just said."
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/01/25/511460917/for-journalists-whove-worked-in-china-new-white-house-tactics-seem-familiar
Just when she thought she was out, they pulled her back in.
Oh no! We don't want to be like China, the country just a couple weeks ago we were so worried might not like us.
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01-29-2017, 10:34 PM
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ABC is apologizing for selectively editing a statement from former President George Bush's press secretary, Ari Fleischer, in an interview that aired Monday night.
"Nightline" aired the segment with a quote from Fleischer that made him appear more critical of Sean Spicer's comments about the inauguration size.
Fleischer slammed ABC via Twitter on Tuesday, explaining how the network got it wrong and clarifying what he actually stated.
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Here is how they chopped my quote: "It looks to me if the ball was dropped on Saturday" after ABC referred to "deliberate falsehoods." 3/4
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"If this is how the press reports, Trump is right to go after them," Fleischer said.
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ABC apologized and said they would fix the piece online.
LOL...
The reporters don't know what to do, being called out for their lies, and then try to equate Trump to China...
LOL...
LOL...
The first news organizations to start getting the facts straight, will become the predominant ones. We just might see CNN, MSNBC, and all the other top M$M move to the back of the bus.
So I guess you're on board with Kellyanne Conway and her alternate facts. :lol
Joseph Goebbels would have had a field day with you
LOL...
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01-29-2017, 10:53 PM
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ABC is apologizing for selectively editing a statement from former President George Bush's press secretary, Ari Fleischer, in an interview that aired Monday night.
"Nightline" aired the segment with a quote from Fleischer that made him appear more critical of Sean Spicer's comments about the inauguration size.
Fleischer slammed ABC via Twitter on Tuesday, explaining how the network got it wrong and clarifying what he actually stated.
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Here is how they chopped my quote: "It looks to me if the ball was dropped on Saturday" after ABC referred to "deliberate falsehoods." 3/4
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"It looks to me if the ball was dropped on Saturday, Sean recovered it and ran for a 1st down on Monday." 2/4
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"If this is how the press reports, Trump is right to go after them," Fleischer said.
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When the press distorts someone's quote and twists their words, we all have a problem. 5/5
9:38 AM - 24 Jan 2017 (https://twitter.com/AriFleischer/status/823932982855630848)
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ABC apologized and said they would fix the piece online.
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angrydude
01-29-2017, 11:30 PM
Actually in China they have a soldier with an assault rifle in the TV booth to make sure you don't say anything the government doesn't want broadcast. So the US is super similar to that.
Oh no! The government is becoming like a communist nation! If we could only adopt socialism we would be so much better off! These gun nuts thinking the feds are going to become like communists are crazy!
RandomGuy
01-30-2017, 06:08 PM
LOL...
The reporters don't know what to do, being called out for their lies, and then try to equate Trump to China...
LOL...
LOL...
The first news organizations to start getting the facts straight, will become the predominant ones. We just might see CNN, MSNBC, and all the other top M$M move to the back of the bus.
Honestly the OP has echoed my own thoughts.
Dictators the world over blame "the media" for not sucking up to them hard enough.
Trump et al don't want fair coverage, they want fawning coverage, and people to look past the double speak.
Freedom is slavery, war is peace.
Toadies like you nod and grin and act as cheerleaders for the death of democracy. You will be happy to see the government come for the groups you don't like, then they will come for you...
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01-30-2017, 06:10 PM
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ABC is apologizing for selectively editing a statement from former President George Bush's press secretary, Ari Fleischer, in an interview that aired Monday night.
"Nightline" aired the segment with a quote from Fleischer that made him appear more critical of Sean Spicer's comments about the inauguration size.
Fleischer slammed ABC via Twitter on Tuesday, explaining how the network got it wrong and clarifying what he actually stated.
Follow (https://twitter.com/AriFleischer)
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✔@AriFleischer (https://twitter.com/AriFleischer)
Here is how they chopped my quote: "It looks to me if the ball was dropped on Saturday" after ABC referred to "deliberate falsehoods." 3/4
9:17 AM - 24 Jan 2017 (https://twitter.com/AriFleischer/status/823927640692293633)
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✔@AriFleischer (https://twitter.com/AriFleischer)
"It looks to me if the ball was dropped on Saturday, Sean recovered it and ran for a 1st down on Monday." 2/4
9:18 AM - 24 Jan 2017 (https://twitter.com/AriFleischer/status/823927856552169472)
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"If this is how the press reports, Trump is right to go after them," Fleischer said.
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✔@AriFleischer (https://twitter.com/AriFleischer)
When the press distorts someone's quote and twists their words, we all have a problem. 5/5
9:38 AM - 24 Jan 2017 (https://twitter.com/AriFleischer/status/823932982855630848)
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334334 Retweets (https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=823932982855630848)
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ABC apologized and said they would fix the piece online.
No, actually it doesn't.
FuzzyLumpkins
01-30-2017, 06:13 PM
Honestly the OP has echoed my own thoughts.
Dictators the world over blame "the media" for not sucking up to them hard enough.
Trump et al don't want fair coverage, they want fawning coverage, and people to look past the double speak.
Freedom is slavery, war is peace.
Toadies like you nod and grin and act as cheerleaders for the death of democracy. You will be happy to see the government come for the groups you don't like, then they will come for you...
WC has the type of personality that would have made for a good SS soldier. His is the second most dangerous type out there with the most dangerous being the type that uses the WCs of the world being the first.
I was just following orders.
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01-30-2017, 06:15 PM
No, actually it doesn't.
Then ABC should not have apologized.
Honestly the OP has echoed my own thoughts.
Dictators the world over blame "the media" for not sucking up to them hard enough.
Trump et al don't want fair coverage, they want fawning coverage, and people to look past the double speak.
Freedom is slavery, war is peace.
Toadies like you nod and grin and act as cheerleaders for the death of democracy. You will be happy to see the government come for the groups you don't like, then they will come for you...
You mean like how the media fawned over Obama and how he won the Nobel for being black?
Oh NOW they're coming for us... now. I guess these guns will come in handy after all eh? Too bad you don't have any because you're not lol paranoid.
Wild Cobra
01-30-2017, 08:38 PM
WC falls into Trash's SS ranks as a "good German"
That didn't take long...
M. Godwin...
Wild Cobra
01-30-2017, 08:42 PM
So I guess you're on board with Kellyanne Conway and her alternate facts. :lol
Joseph Goebbels would have had a field day with you
LOL...
I don't even know who that is. Have to google that name.
You shouldn't ASSume anything with me. Haven't you learned that yet, over the years?
Oh...
Just looked.
Her.
So what?
This is about Trump's people calling out the liars. I have seen nowhere where he has suggested the media lie for him.
Wild Cobra
01-30-2017, 08:43 PM
Honestly the OP has echoed my own thoughts.
Dictators the world over blame "the media" for not sucking up to them hard enough.
Trump et al don't want fair coverage, they want fawning coverage, and people to look past the double speak.
Freedom is slavery, war is peace.
Toadies like you nod and grin and act as cheerleaders for the death of democracy. You will be happy to see the government come for the groups you don't like, then they will come for you...
What they want and what they are should expect are two different arguments.
Is it wrong that they call the media to the carpet when the media lies?
RandomGuy
02-02-2017, 10:22 AM
I don't even know who that is. Have to google that name.
You shouldn't ASSume anything with me. Haven't you learned that yet, over the years?
Oh...
Just looked.
Her.
So what?
This is about Trump's people calling out the liars. I have seen nowhere where he has suggested the media lie for him.
Wow. Not knowing who Goebbels is.
Shocker.
boutons_deux
02-02-2017, 10:51 AM
I don't even know who that is.
:lol
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