Ukraine trying to sabotage Trump, sending tanks to Eastern Ukraine

[cheguevara]

Happening right now. Things could blow up anytime there now

“Frustrated by the stalemate in this 33-month war of attrition, concerned that Western support is waning, and sensing that U.S. President Donald Trump could cut Kyiv out of any peace negotiations as he tries to improve fraught relations with Moscow, Ukrainian forces anxious to show their newfound strength have gone on what many here are calling a ‘creeping offensive.’

“Observers say the Ukrainians appear to be trying to create new facts on the ground . . . In doing so, the pro-Kyiv troops have sparked bloody clashes with their enemy, which has reportedly made advances of its own — or tried to — in recent weeks.”

A senior member of Europe’s Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine warned, “The direct result of forward moves is escalation in tension, which often turns to violence.” How right he was.

It’s hard to see what Putin gains from new fighting, at a time when Trump faces an army of skeptics at home for his go-easy-on-Russia strategy. Poroshenko has everything to gain, on the other hand, by pressing Americans and West Europeans to reaffirm their support for his government, which took power after a 2014 coup that ousted elected President Viktor Yanukovych, who was strongly supported in eastern Ukraine and Crimea.

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/02/01/ukraine-sabotages-trumps-russia-detente/

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That cute that you bring up pro-Russian news sites but it's been reported that Russia has been shelling in violation of the Minsk ceasefire for a few days now. Putin started hours after his conversation with Trump. And they said Obama was weak.

[boutons_deux]

Trash won't lift a finger, won't make a call as Pootin takes all of Ukraine, then takes the Baltics.

I'm sure Trash asked for assurance in his most recent phone call that Pootin and his oligarchs won't release the videos of Trash doing whores and coke in Moscow, nor call in $100Ms of loans to Trump orgs.

What will NATO do without USA?

Trash and his fellow Pootin fellators are all traitors, all compromised by Pootin.

As Pootin BFF Tillerson said anything?

[cheguevara]

That cute that you bring up Russian news sites but it's been reported that Russia has been shelling in violation of the Minsk ceasefire for a few days now. Putin started hours after his conversation with Trump. And they said Obama was weak.

The quote us fron a European independent radio. Cant get the name as it seems the site is down

But makes sense their reasoning. Why would Putin want to screw Donald at home by inciting war at the moment when sanctions are being lifted. Makes no sense.

Ukraine on the other hand has everything to gain by screwing Trump ight at the moment he is lifting sanctions

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

The Ukraine is RIGHTFUL RUSSIAN CLAY

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The quote us fron a European independent radio. Cant get the name as it seems the site is down

But makes sense their reasoning. Why would Putin want to screw Donald at home by inciting war at the moment when sanctions are being lifted. Makes no sense.

Ukraine on the other hand has everything to gain by screwing Trump ight at the moment he is lifting sanctions

That is not the question. The question is 'why would Putin start shelling government controlled Avdiika?'

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-rebels-war-donetsk-avdiivka-wait-for-trump-reaction/

Because he wants control of Eastern Ukraine's industrial zones perhaps? Playing like this is all about Trump's lifting of sanctions two days later is cute though. What's next? Ukraine is shelling their own town?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It should be noted again that Putin started shelling hours after his phone conversation with Trump two days ago.

[cheguevara]

That is not the question. The question is 'why would Putin start shelling government controlled Avdiika?'

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-rebels-war-donetsk-avdiivka-wait-for-trump-reaction/

Because he wants control of Eastern Ukraine's industrial zones perhaps? Playing like this is all about Trump's lifting of sanctions two days later is cute though. What's next? Ukraine is shelling their own town?

Except thats not what happened. Ukranian troops disguised themselves and surprise attacked a rebel village:
NOVOLUHANSKE, Ukraine -- The way Ukrainian commander Vyacheslav "Eagle-Owl" Vlasenko described it, his troops snuck into this rustic town of 4,000 people in broad daylight and took it -- and a valuable pig farm -- without firing a shot.

Concealed in trucks that looked like those used by the pig farm, the troops' advance into Nuvoluhanske -- which had been part of the gray zone, a ravaged no-man's land between the warring sides -- took their Russia-backed separatist foes by surprise

Thats straight from Radio Free Europe which was founded by the US
http://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-creeping-offensive-escalation-fighting/28268104.html

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Except thats not what happened. Ukranian troops disguised themselves and surprise attacked a rebel village:
NOVOLUHANSKE, Ukraine -- The way Ukrainian commander Vyacheslav "Eagle-Owl" Vlasenko described it, his troops snuck into this rustic town of 4,000 people in broad daylight and took it -- and a valuable pig farm -- without firing a shot.

Concealed in trucks that looked like those used by the pig farm, the troops' advance into Nuvoluhanske -- which had been part of the gray zone, a ravaged no-man's land between the warring sides -- took their Russia-backed separatist foes by surprise

Thats straight from Radio Free Europe which was founded by the US
http://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-creeping-offensive-escalation-fighting/28268104.html

You should quote the rest of the article with stuff like:


Poltorak noted that Russia has since constructed several military bases and camps close to Ukraine's border, which allows Russia to deploy thousands of its troops "within a matter of hours."

Moreover, he claimed, 5,000 regular soldiers of the Russian armed forces are already on separatist-held territory, along with 40,000 Russian nationals fighting in separatist militias.

In addition to personnel, Poltorak said, Russia has deployed to eastern Ukraine "more than 600 main battle tanks, more than 1,300 armored vehicles, more than 700 pieces of artillery, and more than 450 multiple-launch rocket systems."

Russia denies sponsoring the separatists or deploying its forces to Ukrainian territory, despite overwhelming evidence of both.

or


Observers say the Ukrainians appear to be trying to create new facts on the ground, while officials and commanders insist they are fighting to stop the flow of contraband into separatist-controlled territories and fending off attempts by separatist groups that call themselves the Donetsk and Luhansk "people's republics" to seize more territory.

Whatever the case, since mid-December Ukraine's armed forces have edged farther into parts of the gray zone in or near the war-worn cities of Avdiivka, Debaltseve, Dokuchaievsk, Horlivka, and Mariupol, shrinking the space between them and the separatist fighters.

In doing so, the pro-Kyiv troops have sparked bloody clashes with their enemy, which has reportedly made advances of its own -- or tried to -- in recent weeks.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Again saying that this is something new in response to Trump lessening sanctions is ignorant.

[cheguevara]

Not disputing any of that. Your second quote actually reinforces my point. Thanks for that


The rest doesnt change the fact Ukraine is trying to sabotage Trump-Russia negotiations

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not disputing any of that. Your second quote actually reinforces my point. Thanks for that


Doesnt change the fact Ukraine is trying to sabotage Trump-Russia negotiations

Given that this is something that has been going on for weeks, that is ignorant as hell. The article you cited doesn't indicate who started it. Russia is shelling the shit out of a Ukrainian controlled town as we speak and you are complaining that the Ukrainians are moving in armored vehicles. Nice try, comrade.

[cheguevara]

Lol going on for weeks.

Ukraine started the offensive to the grey zone on January 28

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lol going on for weeks.

Ukraine started the offensive to the grey zone on January 28

And your dumb ass thinks that is an isolated incident. That is why I quoted the parts of the article that repudiates that notion, comrade.

[cheguevara]

And your dumb ass thinks that is an isolated incident. That is why I quoted the parts of the article that repudiates that notion, comrade.

Still waiting for the logic that supports Putin initiating attacks on Ukraine right after the call with Trump. Why would he do such a thing that would complicate Trumps life in the US?

Yeah thought so

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Still waiting for the logic that supports Putin initiating attacks on Ukraine right after the call with Trump. Why would he do such a thing that would complicate Trumps life in the US?

Yeah thought so

Because after talking to Trump he sees how weak and feckless he is?

I don't need an answer to that question to know that he did start shelling the shit out of Avdiika hours after talking to Trump. You're the one intent on conspiracies.

[cheguevara]

Because after talking to Trump he sees how weak and feckless he is?

I don't need an answer to that question to know that he did start shelling the shit out of Avdiika hours after talking to Trump. You're the one intent on conspiracies.

What would he gain by displaying Trumps weakness to the world? Makes absolutely no sense. Trump is his key to getting some of the sanctions off, why would he make him seem weak?
Your logic is flawed majorly

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What would he gain by displaying Trumps weakness to the world? Makes absolutely no sense. Trump is his key to getting some of the sanctions off, why would he make him seem weak?
Your logic is flawed majorly

I said that he saw it and realized Trump would do nothing to stop his imperialism. Trump is a useful idiot for someone like Putin. His interests are spreading Russian influence and not to discredit the clown.

I also put it in the form of a question to indicate that I don't really know. What I do know is that he started shelling the industrial town hours after speaking with him. That is not a question.

Your ability to read is flawed.

[hater]

Except thats not what happened. Ukranian troops disguised themselves and surprise attacked a rebel village:
NOVOLUHANSKE, Ukraine -- The way Ukrainian commander Vyacheslav "Eagle-Owl" Vlasenko described it, his troops snuck into this rustic town of 4,000 people in broad daylight and took it -- and a valuable pig farm -- without firing a shot.

Concealed in trucks that looked like those used by the pig farm, the troops' advance into Nuvoluhanske -- which had been part of the gray zone, a ravaged no-man's land between the warring sides -- took their Russia-backed separatist foes by surprise

Thats straight from Radio Free Europe which was founded by the US
http://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-creeping-offensive-escalation-fighting/28268104.html


:lmao fuzzy

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao fuzzy

The rest of the article has been discussed and he started dissembling. :rollin indeed.