I am reverting to Islam..

[apalisoc_9]

I have long considered Islam as the purest, without contradiction and a History that makes geographical sense. I pride myself in religious Studies and maybe studying all religions extensively made me make this deicion..However, I've always struggled with the concept of a deity.

The last two years have been a Journey. I Met two international Students from Japan and Brazil who reverted to Islam two years ago and they have been two of my closes friends. I asked them why they made the decision and I'm always astonished.

I am impressed that they think they're not good "muslims" despite practicing things that I just can't fathom practicing. No pork, no alcohol, not even interacting with women, 5 times prayer etc. It seems like the average Muslim in comparison is the most devout christian in my family. The difference in Practice between lay Muslims and other followers of other religion is like the Pacific ocean and a puddle.

Sure there bad apples, but the layman Muslims I have met all seem like they could qualify as priest.

I don't know how to handle this...To be honest, there is so much obiligations and It feels so inconvenient...but I gotta jump water.

Family is going to be devasted.

[Reck]

Really, now?

This is probably the worst timimg to convert to anything relating to islam or muslim with someone like Trump running the country. :lol

[apalisoc_9]

Really, now?

This is probably the worst timimg to convert to anything relating to islam or muslim with someone like Trump running the country. :lol

I never make my decisions based on convenience. I make decisions on matters based on what I think is right or wrong. The first Muslims were tortured, oppressed, killed, humiliated.by their own Family Memebrs. Inconvience because someone who I will never meet and suspicious eyes are nothing. I'm prepared for what is to come.

I only hope that I learn Islam and Practice Islam the correct way.

[spurraider21]

I only hope that I learn Islam and Practice Islam the correct way.
RIP

[z0sa]

The worlds fastest growing religion

[benefactor]

Caution: Shtick Change Ahead

[140]

Opeesa P. Haggot

[lebomb]

I have long considered Islam as the purest, without contradiction and a History that makes geographical sense. I pride myself in religious Studies and maybe studying all religions extensively made me make this deicion..However, I've always struggled with the concept of a deity.

The last two years have been a Journey. I Met two international Students from Japan and Brazil who reverted to Islam two years ago and they have been two of my closes friends. I asked them why they made the decision and I'm always astonished.

I am impressed that they think they're not good "muslims" despite practicing things that I just can't fathom practicing. No pork, no alcohol, not even interacting with women, 5 times prayer etc. It seems like the average Muslim in comparison is the most devout christian in my family. The difference in Practice between lay Muslims and other followers of other religion is like the Pacific ocean and a puddle.

Sure there bad apples, but the layman Muslims I have met all seem like they could qualify as priest.

I don't know how to handle this...To be honest, there is so much obiligations and It feels so inconvenient...but I gotta jump water.

Family is going to be devasted.

Be prepared to meet that Muthafucka Allah real soon.

[pgardn]

You and Ghazi need to have a sit down beer together.

Preferably in an ice tunnel that Spurs46 has excavated out of your dwelling with heating coils.
You will need a rug and yoga classes as well.

[spursfan09]

This site probably just got flagged.

[resistanze]

:lol

[Avante]

It you don't look the part it might work for ya. I'm talking if ya don't have a scraggley ass beard, wear a turbin and speak Arabic and stink.

Just how much do you know about the origins of Islam? Or do you care? Familiar with Mohammad who was a murderous tyrant? How he'd add things to the Koran to fit HIS agenda.

Mohammad returns from the cave on the mountain, in that cave he encounters the Angel Gabriel who lays down what Allah wants Mohammad to do.

Do you really believe that? So you buy into all that....kill the non believers....which is a huge message in the Koran?

[lebomb]

You can follow whatever religion you desire, I just dont see the "convert to Islam or die" crap. Why in the hell would anyone want to follow that?

[HarlemHeat37]

Respect and salute to your decision, my brother..I don't know how people do it, though, too many rules to follow, tbh:lol

[Chucho]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/hiphopdx-production/2015/07/vinniepaz2_0.jpg

If this fat Guinea can be Muslim, anyone can. And true to Islam, all he raps about is how many ways he's gonna kill you.

[apalisoc_9]

It you don't look the part it might work for ya. I'm talking if ya don't have a scraggley ass beard, wear a turbin and speak Arabic and stink.

Just how much do you know about the origins of Islam? Or do you care? Familiar with Mohammad who was a murderous tyrant? How he'd add things to the Koran to fit HIS agenda.

Mohammad returns from the cave on the mountain, in that cave he encounters the Angel Gabriel who lays down what Allah wants Mohammad to do.

Do you really believe that? So you buy into all that....kill the non believers....which is a huge message in the Koran?

I will only attempt to answer you once since even non-muslims on this board have repeatedly given you the answers to the above remarks, but you continue to deny and you continue to blind yourself. It is my obligation to address your comments, but anything further than that is not needed. I have studied the Holy Quran for 3 years alongside the New testament and the Torah, I took comparative religion to heart as a 20 year old, and have continued studying religion. Nothing, in the book of Quran or the Hadith proves your point that Muhammad was a murderous tyrant. Muhammad Pbuh sought Justice and his responsibility was to deliver a message. Muhammad Pbuh will never allow anyone to downplay God, oppress his followers. Everytime, Muhammad Peace be upon him issued an order for combat, it was to fight the Meccans for they have opporessed the Minority Muslims in Mecca.

The Quran is the Word of Allah. Mohammad Pbuh is the Greatest of prophet, but to suggest that he can write the holy Quran is wrong. He's only human. To prove my point, his adopted father (also his uncle) is destined for hellfire even though he supported the prophet from his childhood till his prophethood so God sent an order to the Prophet that even he can not pray for forgiveness for his non-believing uncle. The same uncle that would die for his own nephew..A newphew that had a different religion. This was a sad moment from him. If It was for the prophet to write commands, he would have been forgiven but he's only a messenger, a prophet a slave.

The Prophet pbuh did not receive revelation the first time he saw the Archangel. He was just a terrified human being that went to his wife in fear.

Context is key. The Prophet orders that Muslims respect non-muslims so long as they don't oppress muslim. If they live in a Muslim land, they need to pay jizya every year..Which is almost the same as the mandatory zakat for muslims. In essence a non-Muslim is paying less for protection than a Muslim who not only will be labled as kafir if he refuses to pay zakat but as well as punished. A non-Muslim will only lose protection.

People who Kills Muslims, oppress them just like the Meccans did need to be brought justice..If they can't go through diplomacy, war is needed.



Respect and salute to your decision, my brother..I don't know how people do it, though, too many rules to follow, tbh:lol

Thanks brother. I have learned through the years, that the obligations do look tough but in truth they all have its earthly and the life after purpose. Is it hard to fast, yes..but it brings about a sense of community that serves the community and its people...Is it hard to stop interacting with females without Guardians, yes it is..But this is to prevent pre-marital sex, adultery and fornication..Everything has its purpose. Once you realize its purpose, you realize that it's easier than not following. Allah made this religion so it is convenient for us in this world and the hereafter.


You can follow whatever religion you desire, I just dont see the "convert to Islam or die" crap. Why in the hell would anyone want to follow that?

I have answered this question about. Islams message is Justice and Peace. If you oppress muslims, don't expect flowers. When Jerusalem was captured the Jews and the Christians were allowed to practice their religion provided they Pay Jizya which is a very tiny sum compared to todays taxes and the Islamic Zakat that Muslims have to pay.


http://s3.amazonaws.com/hiphopdx-production/2015/07/vinniepaz2_0.jpg

If this fat Guinea can be Muslim, anyone can. And true to Islam, all he raps about is how many ways he's gonna kill you.

I can't judge the person in person. You have given me information to suggest that he sins, and that could get him to hellfire but not out of the fold of Islam. No one's perfect.

[Blake]

It you don't look the part it might work for ya. I'm talking if ya don't have a scraggley ass beard, wear a turbin and speak Arabic and stink.

Just how much do you know about the origins of Islam? Or do you care? Familiar with Mohammad who was a murderous tyrant? How he'd add things to the Koran to fit HIS agenda.

Mohammad returns from the cave on the mountain, in that cave he encounters the Angel Gabriel who lays down what Allah wants Mohammad to do.

Do you really believe that? So you buy into all that....kill the non believers....which is a huge message in the Koran?

There are a billion of them. Ya think you might be the wrong one, fatty?

[lebomb]

All this Islam vs Christianity started with Abraham and his fathering of Ishmael with a handmaid, and Isaac with his wife Sarah. God found favor with Isaac because of him being born through marriage, Ishmael was blessed with forming his own nation, but was born with a handmaid out of wedlock. The Jewish were granted Israel by God, but the Muslims believe it belongs to them. Basically, the fight began there. Im sure the Bible and Koran have different accounts of how it all went down.

[Avante]

I will only attempt to answer you once since even non-muslims on this board have repeatedly given you the answers to the above remarks, but you continue to deny and you continue to blind yourself. It is my obligation to address your comments, but anything further than that is not needed. I have studied the Holy Quran for 3 years alongside the New testament and the Torah, I took comparative religion to heart as a 20 year old, and have continued studying religion. Nothing, in the book of Quran or the Hadith proves your point that Muhammad was a murderous tyrant. Muhammad Pbuh sought Justice and his responsibility was to deliver a message. Muhammad Pbuh will never allow anyone to downplay God, oppress his followers. Everytime, Muhammad Peace be upon him issued an order for combat, it was to fight the Meccans for they have opporessed the Minority Muslims in Mecca.

The Quran is the Word of Allah. Mohammad Pbuh is the Greatest of prophet, but to suggest that he can write the holy Quran is wrong. He's only human. To prove my point, his adopted father (also his uncle) is destined for hellfire even though he supported the prophet from his childhood till his prophethood so God sent an order to the Prophet that even he can not pray for forgiveness for his non-believing uncle. The same uncle that would die for his own nephew..A newphew that had a different religion. This was a sad moment from him. If It was for the prophet to write commands, he would have been forgiven but he's only a messenger, a prophet a slave.

The Prophet pbuh did not receive revelation the first time he saw the Archangel. He was just a terrified human being that went to his wife in fear.

Context is key. The Prophet orders that Muslims respect non-muslims so long as they don't oppress muslim. If they live in a Muslim land, they need to pay jizya every year..Which is almost the same as the mandatory zakat for muslims. In essence a non-Muslim is paying less for protection than a Muslim who not only will be labled as kafir if he refuses to pay zakat but as well as punished. A non-Muslim will only lose protection.

People who Kills Muslims, oppress them just like the Meccans did need to be brought justice..If they can't go through diplomacy, war is needed.




Thanks brother. I have learned through the years, that the obligations do look tough but in truth they all have its earthly and the life after purpose. Is it hard to fast, yes..but it brings about a sense of community that serves the community and its people...Is it hard to stop interacting with females without Guardians, yes it is..But this is to prevent pre-marital sex, adultery and fornication..Everything has its purpose. Once you realize its purpose, you realize that it's easier than not following. Allah made this religion so it is convenient for us in this world and the hereafter.



I have answered this question about. Islams message is Justice and Peace. If you oppress muslims, don't expect flowers. When Jerusalem was captured the Jews and the Christians were allowed to practice their religion provided they Pay Jizya which is a very tiny sum compared to todays taxes and the Islamic Zakat that Muslims have to pay.



I can't judge the person in person. You have given me information to suggest that he sins, and that could get him to hellfire but not out of the fold of Islam. No one's perfect.


So you do believe Mohammad did encounter the Angel Gabriel?

So you do buy into...death to those dreaded infidels?

[Blake]

All this Islam vs Christianity started with Abraham and his fathering of Ishmael with a handmaid, and Isaac with his wife Sarah. God found favor with Isaac because of him being born through marriage, Ishmael was blessed with forming his own nation, but was born with a handmaid out of wedlock. The Jewish were granted Israel by God, but the Muslims believe it belongs to them. Basically, the fight began there. Im sure the Bible and Koran have different accounts of how it all went down.

Did you learn that at Sunday School

[Blake]

So you do believe Mohammad did encounter the Angel Gabriel?

So you do buy into...death to those dreaded infidels?

But a billion people do.

[Avante]

Judy is a very strong woman, noway in hell she could eve play what Islam women play. She isn't going to be wearing any of that silly shit, or staying in any background. Nothing submissive about her at all. She takes charge, she owns her own business and is a leader at her church. She takes no shit off anyone.

She's told me more than once...."I'm horny, so ya better not disappoint". And a few times as I lay there a drift afterwards.....NEXT~~~~~~~~~~~

Avante...ok, now that I'm a Muslim, you will need to....
Judy...whoa whoa there cowboy, if you are so far gone you can't figure out that is all a hoax with some desert freak starting it don't be telling me anything. Hopefully you come to your senses. Don't be telling me what I need to be doing, got that?

[Blake]

But a billion people are Muslim

[lebomb]

Did you learn that at Sunday School


Actually I probably did.......... a long time ago. *shrugs*

[Blake]

Actually I probably did.......... a long time ago. *shrugs*

I'm sure they tell a different story in mosque Sunday school

[UNT Eagles 2016]

But a billion people are Muslim

And two billion are Christian, and I'm an atheist. Your point is?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

The worlds fastest growing religion

Trump will see to that. Time to drain the swamp and the desert.

[apalisoc_9]

So you do believe Mohammad did encounter the Angel Gabriel?

So you do buy into...death to those dreaded infidels?

Where do you get this idea? I already told you, if a non-muslim is oppressing muslims combat is needed. If not, no.

Yes, Jibreel met Muhammad and tought him the commands of Godm

[apalisoc_9]

All this Islam vs Christianity started with Abraham and his fathering of Ishmael with a handmaid, and Isaac with his wife Sarah. God found favor with Isaac because of him being born through marriage, Ishmael was blessed with forming his own nation, but was born with a handmaid out of wedlock. The Jewish were granted Israel by God, but the Muslims believe it belongs to them. Basically, the fight began there. Im sure the Bible and Koran have different accounts of how it all went down.

That is so ill informed. I will attempt to answer this when i get off work. Enjoy the weekend.

[Mitch]

OP in a few months


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_-mPrbqjy8

[apalisoc_9]

OP in a few months


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_-mPrbqjy8

Nah, I am convinced ISIS is a Khawarij. They're Muslims though, but they are Khawarij. Out of the fold of the majority of Muslim population. It's the same group about 1200 years ago during the reign of Uthaman and Ali.

[Mitch]

Nah, I am convinced ISIS is a Khawarij. They're Muslims though, but they are Khawarij. Out of the fold of the majority of Muslim population. It's the same group about 1200 years ago during the reign of Uthaman and Ali.

Got a wife yet? Good time to go burqa shopping, tbh

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Got a wife yet? Good time to go burqa shopping, tbh

nah, he should just kill himself right now and take his fellow islamophiliac that he hates so much, William Anthony Porker, with him. Why have 1 wife when you can have 72?

[Mitch]

nah, he should just kill himself right now and take his fellow islamophiliac that he hates so much, William Anthony Porker, with him. Why have 1 wife when you can have 72?

72^2, in islam your 72 wives each have 72 servants or something like that and you fuck each one for 100 years

[tlongII]

Religion in general is stupid and has no place in the modern world. It is completely fabricated bullshit.

[Ghazi]

God of 14,000,000,000 year old Universe felt like repeating the story of Moses 20 times in a book 1400 years ago.

[Ghazi]

What grand lesson is there to learn from the fabricated story of the fictitious Moses anyway? That God will intervene in the face of oppression? Where was he during the Holocaust? Where is he now? But back then he decided to drown the Egyptians?

If the story is... just a story, what is so special about this story that God felt the need to repeat it numerous times in the Quran? What moral lesson is there? Is it to impress Gods' power? Or could it simply be that Muhammad overheard some Jewish Arabs and then felt like regurgitating the story and branding it as the word of God.

Islam > Christianity though :lol virgin birth :lol stolen from pagan religions

[Chris]

9 year olds dude...

[Mark Celibate]

I have long considered Islam as the purest, without contradiction and a History that makes geographical sense. I pride myself in religious Studies and maybe studying all religions extensively made me make this deicion..However, I've always struggled with the concept of a deity.

The last two years have been a Journey. I Met two international Students from Japan and Brazil who reverted to Islam two years ago and they have been two of my closes friends. I asked them why they made the decision and I'm always astonished.

I am impressed that they think they're not good "muslims" despite practicing things that I just can't fathom practicing. No pork, no alcohol, not even interacting with women, 5 times prayer etc. It seems like the average Muslim in comparison is the most devout christian in my family. The difference in Practice between lay Muslims and other followers of other religion is like the Pacific ocean and a puddle.

Sure there bad apples, but the layman Muslims I have met all seem like they could qualify as priest.

I don't know how to handle this...To be honest, there is so much obiligations and It feels so inconvenient...but I gotta jump water.

Family is going to be devasted.


I know why Islam is attracting a lot of people in the West due to the frustrations of all the sects of Protestantism.

But serious question...have you even looked into Orthodoxy? I don't think it's fair to judge Christianity without looking at the true church. Forget all the Protestant crap. They have absolutely no rituals, no literature, etc A lot of what has guided you to Islam, we've been doing for much longer. Obviously it's not as big in the West as Catholicism but I'm sure there is a Russian or Greek Orthodox Church nearby you somewhere. You should atleast look into it before dismissing Christianity. When you get down to it, Islam is just a hodgepodge of Judaism and Christianity conveniently mashed together because they saw how successful a monotheistic religion was for the Jews and Christians. I have no idea how anybody who is legitimately serious about finding the true faith would even consider Islam

but good luck

[TDMVPDPOY]

so when are u going to fuck a goat kent

[Mitch]

God of 14,000,000,000 year old Universe felt like repeating the story of Moses 20 times in a book 1400 years ago.

How's that Iranian ban working for ya, Ghazi?

[spurraider21]

It you don't look the part it might work for ya. I'm talking if ya don't have a scraggley ass beard, wear a turbin and speak Arabic and stink.

Just how much do you know about the origins of Islam? Or do you care? Familiar with Mohammad who was a murderous tyrant? How he'd add things to the Koran to fit HIS agenda.

Mohammad returns from the cave on the mountain, in that cave he encounters the Angel Gabriel who lays down what Allah wants Mohammad to do.

Do you really believe that? So you buy into all that....kill the non believers....which is a huge message in the Koran?its not really any less believable than the story of moses

you said: Mohammad returns from the cave on the mountain, in that cave he encounters the Angel Gabriel who lays down what Allah wants Mohammad to do.

bible says: moses returns from the top of a mountain, where god handed him two tablets with some rules of what all people should do

[mavsfan1000]

Really, now?

This is probably the worst timimg to convert to anything relating to islam or muslim with someone like Trump running the country. :lol
Yawn. Trump has no issues with Muslim Americans. Or Canadians. As long as you don't cross the border illegally.

[spurraider21]

Yawn. Trump has no issues with Muslim Americans. Or Canadians. As long as you don't cross the border illegally.god forbid he ever has to deal with a muslim judge

[apalisoc_9]

What grand lesson is there to learn from the fabricated story of the fictitious Moses anyway? That God will intervene in the face of oppression? Where was he during the Holocaust? Where is he now? But back then he decided to drown the Egyptians?

If the story is... just a story, what is so special about this story that God felt the need to repeat it numerous times in the Quran? What moral lesson is there? Is it to impress Gods' power? Or could it simply be that Muhammad overheard some Jewish Arabs and then felt like regurgitating the story and branding it as the word of God.

Islam > Christianity though :lol virgin birth :lol stolen from pagan religions

God is all knowing. He knows the future, the present and the past. Moses Peace be upon him story is told in the Quran because it echos a major repeated trial mankind goes through. It's a reminder. After, the Prophet Muhammad Miracles will cease to exist until the One eyed liar is released.

God wants you as a slave, to understand that no one is deserving of a title that befits God except for he. Moses is not the only example in the Quran..Nimrood, the Giants of Aad etc all have similar purposes.

While Christianity has been corrupted by the Europeans ( Jesus looking white) Mary was a virgin and Jesus peace be upon him is a true miracle.)

[apalisoc_9]

I know why Islam is attracting a lot of people in the West due to the frustrations of all the sects of Protestantism.

But serious question...have you even looked into Orthodoxy? I don't think it's fair to judge Christianity without looking at the true church. Forget all the Protestant crap. They have absolutely no rituals, no literature, etc A lot of what has guided you to Islam, we've been doing for much longer. Obviously it's not as big in the West as Catholicism but I'm sure there is a Russian or Greek Orthodox Church nearby you somewhere. You should atleast look into it before dismissing Christianity. When you get down to it, Islam is just a hodgepodge of Judaism and Christianity conveniently mashed together because they saw how successful a monotheistic religion was for the Jews and Christians. I have no idea how anybody who is legitimately serious about finding the true faith would even consider Islam

but good luck

Orthodox christianity is just a lesser corrupted version of western Christianity and catholism. In fact, Constantinople was easily conquored by the turk Muslims because Western and Orthodox christianity felt lile they were different religions...and they are different. One is less corrupted than the other.

The only Christians that will taste heaven are monoatheist christians that lived before the message of Muhammad Pbuh ( no trinity)

[apalisoc_9]

its not really any less believable than the story of moses

you said: Mohammad returns from the cave on the mountain, in that cave he encounters the Angel Gabriel who lays down what Allah wants Mohammad to do.

bible says: moses returns from the top of a mountain, where god handed him two tablets with some rules of what all people should do

They are all messengers and Muhammad and Abraham are Gods intimite and dear friends.

Adam is the father of all human beings.

[apalisoc_9]

As for marriage, I was informed that Muslims should marry as soon as they can. Apperently, althought not an obligation...It's Makrooh (disliked) to not marry of you can because you just dont want.

But I'm new so I will choose to perfect my practice before marriage.

[Avante]

its not really any less believable than the story of moses

you said: Mohammad returns from the cave on the mountain, in that cave he encounters the Angel Gabriel who lays down what Allah wants Mohammad to do.

bible says: moses returns from the top of a mountain, where god handed him two tablets with some rules of what all people should do

Christianity is a lot older than Islam, and it's real obvious Mohammad took what he wanted from there for his hoax.

But.....yes, all that Biblical/Koranic stuff reads like Homer, Tolkien, Eddison, Wells. I don't buy any of it. But...do think all this did take a master designer. Who, what....?????

It is easier to just go with a God, people seem to need that, and it really does beat........we just really don't know shit.

[spurraider21]

Easy doesn't interest me

[Avante]

Easy doesn't interest me

Hate to break it to ya this but it's not about you, honest. I know of nobody who wants to be all...bah humbuggy....like you. This.....can ya prove it, huh, huh huh huh......:rolleyes

[mavsfan1000]

Just don't become Radical Islamic Terrorism.

[Avante]

Just don't become Radical Islamic Terrorism.

Right there is the big mistake everyone makes. There is no such thing as....RADICAL...Islam. All that killing..IS...Islam, that is what they are suppose to be doing.

Everywhere in the Koran we read the word...punishment. The violence found there is hard to believe.


ViolenceDoes the Quran really contain over a hundred verses promoting violence?

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called (http://www.spurstalk.com/quran/noble/sura3.html#167) 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Religion in general is stupid and has no place in the modern world. It is completely fabricated bullshit.

true

[Ghazi]

Shiite or Sunni OP?

[Blake]

Yawn. Trump has no issues with Muslim Americans. Or Canadians. As long as you don't cross the border illegally.

He has troubles with Muslims tho

[Blake]

And two billion are Christian, and I'm an atheist. Your point is?

The appeal to the masses has been the fat ol fuck's argument for the existence of a supreme being.

Ask him what his point is

[spurraider21]

Hate to break it to ya this but it's not about you, honest. I know of nobody who wants to be all...bah humbuggy....like you. This.....can ya prove it, huh, huh huh huh......:rolleyesactually, my belief system IS about me

[Blake]

Right there is the big mistake everyone makes. There is no such thing as....RADICAL...Islam. All that killing..IS...Islam, that is what they are suppose to be doing.

Everywhere in the Koran we read the word...punishment. The violence found there is hard to believe.


ViolenceDoes the Quran really contain over a hundred verses promoting violence?

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called (http://www.spurstalk.com/quran/noble/sura3.html#167) 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter

Dummy, your wife teaches Sunday school from a book that's as evil.

[spurraider21]

Christianity is a lot older than Islam, and it's real obvious Mohammad took what he wanted from there for his hoax.

But.....yes, all that Biblical/Koranic stuff reads like Homer, Tolkien, Eddison, Wells. I don't buy any of it. But...do think all this did take a master designer. Who, what....?????tell that to the billions of people that disagree with you

[DMC]

I have long considered Islam as the purest, without contradiction and a History that makes geographical sense. I pride myself in religious Studies and maybe studying all religions extensively made me make this deicion..However, I've always struggled with the concept of a deity.

The last two years have been a Journey. I Met two international Students from Japan and Brazil who reverted to Islam two years ago and they have been two of my closes friends. I asked them why they made the decision and I'm always astonished.

I am impressed that they think they're not good "muslims" despite practicing things that I just can't fathom practicing. No pork, no alcohol, not even interacting with women, 5 times prayer etc. It seems like the average Muslim in comparison is the most devout christian in my family. The difference in Practice between lay Muslims and other followers of other religion is like the Pacific ocean and a puddle.

Sure there bad apples, but the layman Muslims I have met all seem like they could qualify as priest.

I don't know how to handle this...To be honest, there is so much obiligations and It feels so inconvenient...but I gotta jump water.

Family is going to be devasted.
"Dear Facebook"

Who fucking cares. Get a friend.

[TDMVPDPOY]

hey if ur born in arab country but non religious, are u allowed to marry 4 wives?

or do u have to follow muslim to be allowed 4 wives?

if ur

[apalisoc_9]

hey if ur born in arab country but non religious, are u allowed to marry 4 wives?

or do u have to follow muslim to be allowed 4 wives?

if ur

only if Muslim.

Also, marrying multiple wives requires multiple things.

You can't just marry multiple wives. Most can't.

[mavsfan1000]

He has troubles with Muslims tho
Radical Islamic Terrorism. Non radical Muslims he is ok with.

[TDMVPDPOY]

only if Muslim.

Also, marrying multiple wives requires multiple things.

You can't just marry multiple wives. Most can't.

I thought as long that country is arab or has sharia law, ur allowed to marry 4 wives if u can afford it...

so that means u have to be of muslim religion to marry 4 living in arab country to be allowed 4 wives....

[Blake]

Radical Islamic Terrorism. Non radical Muslims he is ok with.

No he's not

[mavsfan1000]

No he's not
Yes he is. As long as you don't promote TERRORISM or come here illegally, you'll be fine.

[Blake]

Yes he is. As long as you don't promote TERRORISM or come here illegally, you'll be fine.

No, he's not OK with Muslims. He's very Islamophobic

[mavsfan1000]

No, he's not OK with Muslims. He's very Islamophobic
He's dangerophobic. He is determined to Make America Safe Again.

[illusioNtEk]

Don't care if your Muslim/Islam or whatever the fuck you want to all yourself.

Its all about Israel.... if your for Israel god bless you and I love you.... if your against Isreal then fuck you and hope you die and meet your pos alluh soon with your snack bar buddy's.

[Blake]

He's dangerophobic. He is determined to Make America Safe Again.

He's also Islamophobic

[mavsfan1000]

He's also Islamophobic
The Radical parts only. Some bad dudes. But most Muslims are ok. Yeah no doubt he prefers Christians and Jews. And Obama preferred Muslims. Different strokes for different folks.

[Ghazi]

USA created radical Islam

[Blake]

The Radical parts only. Some bad dudes. But most Muslims are ok. Yeah no doubt he prefers Christians and Jews. And Obama preferred Muslims. Different strokes for different folks.

Well no but I'm sure he appreciates your hugging his nuts here

[DMC]

He's also Islamophobic

That's a really stupid term, manufactured by the SJWs to make themselves feel special.

I guess I'm cancerphobic.

[DMC]

USA created radical Islam

Odd that we never created radical Buddhism and we dropped two atom bombs on those bastards.

[Mark Celibate]

Don't care if your Muslim/Islam or whatever the fuck you want to all yourself.

Its all about Israel.... if your for Israel god bless you and I love you.... if your against Isreal then fuck you and hope you die and meet your pos alluh soon with your snack bar buddy's.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/927/118/2fc.jpg

[Avante]

What strong woman could think of becoming a Muslim? A......no way am I wrapping myself up in that ugly garb. No way in hell he's telling me what I can and can't do....woman.

[mavsfan1000]

What strong woman could think of becoming a Muslim? A......no way am I wrapping myself up in that ugly garb. No way in hell he's telling me what I can and can't do....woman.
Yet the left support those that suppress women. Isn't that ironic? Don't you think.

[Blake]

That's a really stupid term, manufactured by the SJWs to make themselves feel special.

I guess I'm cancerphobic.

There's a good reason to be scared of cancer.

[spurraider21]

What strong woman could think of becoming a Muslim? A......no way am I wrapping myself up in that ugly garb. No way in hell he's telling me what I can and can't do....woman.tell that to the billions that disagree with you

[Blake]

Yet the left support those that suppress women. Isn't that ironic? Don't you think.

Lol sounds like Limbaugh

[johnsmith]

Two things....is "revert" to Islam the correct word? Isn't it supposed to be "convert"?

Also, lol at avantes "Christianity is older so it's right" theory.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

USA created radical Islam

Salafists are not new. They were just repressed by the various turkish tribes for 1000 years or so after the Mongols leveled Baghdad and Damascus. If you want to blame anyone then I personally would choose the Brits and Lawrence empowering the Arabs in WW2. All salafism is is the way things were back during the Umayyad era when the Arabs dominated Egypt, Levant, and the fertile crescent.

Muslim imperialism, theocracy, and guerilla tactics have been around since Muhammad taking over Mecca and Medina in the 8th century so blaming anything other than Islam ideology and their lack of a reformation seems to miss the point IMO.

[Blake]

Two things....is "revert" to Islam the correct word? Isn't it supposed to be "convert"?

Also, lol at avantes "Christianity is older so it's right" theory.

He's also started a thread where he clowns the bible.

He really doesn't know what he believes

[DMC]

There's a good reason to be scared of cancer.

Why not Buddhaphobe?

[Blake]

Why not Buddhaphobe?

If Buddhism scares you I don't know what to tell you

Instead of why not, answer why it does

[DMC]

If Buddhism scares you I don't know what to tell you

Instead of why not, answer why it does

No, I already asked. Why aren't there any Buddahphobes? Hinduphobes?

Can't recall the last time I saw a video of a beheading carried out by Buddhists against Westerners, in the name of Buddha.

[Blake]

No, I already asked. Why aren't there any Buddahphobes? Hinduphobes?

Can't recall the last time I saw a video of a beheading carried out by Buddhists against Westerners, in the name of Buddha.

K, what do you propose we do about the Islam that's already here then?

Are you really terrified of mosques when you see them?

[Blake]

On Tuesday, Buddhist mobs attacked mosques and burned more than 70 homes in Oakkan, north of Rangoon, after a Muslim girl on a bicycle collided with a monk. One person died and nine were injured.


http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22356306

Surely the girl had a homemade clock in her backpack.

Had it coming

[Avante]

How many times have we heard/read....

My pit bull is the sweetest dog, she wouldn't hurt a fly?

But what do the stats/numbers tell us about viciousness in pit bulls? Imagine a pit bull in one of those dog shows where the owners parade the little pooch around. Ever notice the kind of people who walk their pit bulls?

I have no doubts there are some really cool/sweet/nice Muslims. But....what do the stats/numbers tell us about modern day Islam and terroism/violence?

Why would anyone with a family want a pit bull? Why would anyone want to be a Muslim with all the bullshit that comes with that?

[Blake]

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[spurraider21]

Why would anyone want to be a Muslim with all the bullshit that comes with that?tell that to the billions of people that disagree with you

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I was born and raised Muslim but walked away many years ago with a smile on my face because fuck it, it's a neanderthal religion (as are all religions). I think Islam needs to get with the times desperately, it's too hyper sensitive and the Koran needs some passages edited out if so many people can take it to the extreme.

[Avante]

tell that to the billions of people that disagree with you

When it comes to this combo...

primitive blues (pre 1940)
sprinting at all levels
pro football history, talking day one-today

there is nobody anywhere who is my equal talking that combo. So yes billions of people couldn't hang and would be wrong.

[spurraider21]

When it comes to this combo...

primitive blues (pre 1940)
sprinting at all levels
pro football history, talking day one-today

there is nobody anywhere who is my equal talking that combo. So yes billions of people couldn't hang and would be wrong.cool. so will you stop using that response every time i mention atheism?

[Avante]

cool. so will you stop using that response every time i mention atheism?

You see my situation and that small % of atheists as being the same? Dude, this country is full of churchs, didn't we hear...so help me God..when Trump was swore in? This country wants a God, what we don't want is guys like you and all that...bah humbug...bullshit. We want Christmas, we want Easter, we want something/someone not.....can ya prove it huh huh huh...and.....well the evidence.....fuck all that guy, nobody really cares.

When it comes to Islam only an idiot wouldn't see it's all a hoax. The Koran reads like what it is, a load of bullshit.

[spurraider21]

You see my situation and that small % of atheists as being the same? Dude, this country is full of churchs, didn't we hear...so help me God..when Trump was swore in? This country wants a God, what we don't want is guys like you and all that...bah humbug...bullshit. We want Christmas, we want Easter, we want something/someone not.....can ya prove it huh huh huh...and.....well the evidence.....fuck all that guy, nobody really cares.

When it comes to Islam only an idiot wouldn't see it's all a hoax. The Koran reads like what it is, a load of bullshit.i'm just sayin, cut the "billions of people disagree with you" crap. you can't have it both ways, amigo

doesnt bother you that billions disagree with you on religion, so you shouldn't throw it at my face either as if you've made a good point. deal?

[Avante]

i'm just sayin, cut the "billions of people disagree with you" crap. you can't have it both ways, amigo

doesnt bother you that billions disagree with you on religion, so you shouldn't throw it at my face either as if you've made a good point. deal?

I don't live in a Muslim country, while you do live in a Christian country, see the difference?

Don't you feel weird during Christmas/Easter, being around all those who do believe in God? I rarely see an obvious Muslim.

[spurraider21]

I don't live in a Muslim country, while you do live in a Christian country, see the difference?nope, considering you've said the bible is BS anyway. all the christians in this country disagree with you too

[Avante]

nope, considering you've said the bible is BS anyway. all the christians in this country disagree with you too

We have Lutherns, Baptists, Pentecostals, Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, etc etc all buying into the same bottom line.....a belief in God. I believe in a God. So we actually all do agree.

You have no God, see the difference?

[spurraider21]

We have Lutherns, Baptists, Pentecostals, Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, etc etc all buying intoi the same bottm line.....a belief in God. I believe in a God. So we actually all do agree.they believe the bible is accurate. all those millions of people disagree with you

[Avante]

they believe the bible is accurate. all those millions of people disagree with you

That simply isn't true at all. There is a lot of debate about the Bible among believers.

I have no doubts this didn't all come about by chance, how could anyone think that it did? I know there was a God, so I'd be right with the Christians. I don't have to buy into Adam and Eve and it wouldn't matter.

You have nothing.

[Ghazi]

:lmao Avante the Christian symphatizer. Jesus Christ did not exist, his story is entirely stolen from religions predating Christianity.

[spurraider21]

That simply isn't true at all. There is a lot of debate about the Bible among believers.

I have no doubts this didn't all come about by chance, how could anyone think that it did? I know there was a God, so I'd be right with the Christians. I don't have to buy into Adam and Eve and it wouldn't matter.

You have nothing.if you're only going to cite the belief in god as what you have in common, then you have exactly that in common with all the muslims in the world, too, not just the christians.

if you just have a belief in god but dont buy into the bible, why do you associate more with christians than muslims? they believe in god too

[Ghazi]

There is no God... people used to think the Earth was flT. People just have trouble accepting that when you die you just become lifeless dust and bones in the ground. What scientific logic is there for an afterlife? Any evidence? if there is a God, hes responsible for creating the likes of Hitler and other mass murderers. If you create a defective product, you have to take responsibility for it.

[Ghazi]

America is not a Christian country in the least bit. It just has a lot of backward people in the Bible Belt

[Avante]

if you're only going to cite the belief in god as what you have in common, then you have exactly that in common with all the muslims in the world, too, not just the christians.

if you just have a belief in god but dont buy into the bible, why do you associate more with christians than muslims? they believe in god too

Islam was started by one man, Mohammad. And it's real obvious he was a murderous tyrant using his bullshit for his personal agenda. That is totally different than Christianity, totally.

There are scriptures all over the Koran....and his messenger (Mohammad). How could anyone not see what's really going on there?

[spurraider21]

Islam was started by one man, Mohammad. And it's real obvious he was a murderous tyrant using his bullshit for his personal agenda. That is totally different than Christianity, totally.

There are scriptures all over the Koran....and his messenger (Mohammad). How could anyone not see what's really going on there?and christianity was started by jesus, one man.

but you dont believe in the biblical stories, just like muslims that believe in allah but not the stories of the koran. so you're basically a moderate muslim :tu

[mavsfan1000]

Godbless you Ghazi. He still hopes you turnaround your thoughts.

[Avante]

America is not a Christian country in the least bit. It just has a lot of backward people in the Bible Belt

Wrong~~~~~~~~~~~~

Will this country ever elect an atheist as it's president, well?

[Ghazi]

Christianity was started by a group of conmen who stole ideas from other religions... its the same as Islam... except Jesus never existed. His life is mythical. Hes a folklore legend like Moses and all the other "prophets" of the Bible.

[Ghazi]

Wrong~~~~~~~~~~~~

Will this country ever elect an atheist as it's president, well?

every president is an atheist, they just pretend not to be to cater to all the redneck and hillbilly fucks

[Avante]

and christianity was started by jesus, one man.

but you dont believe in the biblical stories, just like muslims that believe in allah but not the stories of the koran. so you're basically a moderate muslim :tu

Who wrote the Bible? Now who wrote the Koran, well?

[Avante]

every president is an atheist, they just pretend not to be to cater to all the redneck and hillbilly fucks

Dude, just how fucking stupid are you ya little queer?

[spurraider21]

Who wrote the Bible?some goat herders who got magic messages from god?

[Ghazi]

Moses parted the sea... Jesus turned water into wine and cured lepers... Muhammad spoke Withh an angel in a cave... its ALL bullshit. Moses didnt exist, jesus didnt exist, Muhammad had a mental disorder. All religion is stupid. there is no Mahdi, and Jesus isnt coming back. In order to come back, you had to have existed in the first place... but even then, you wouldve just died a natural death like every other fucking human being.

[Avante]

some goat herders who got magic messages from god?

Diversity of Bible Writers

Those who wrote the Bible lived at different times, some separated by hundreds of years. In many cases they were complete strangers to one another. Some Bible writers were businessmen or traders, others were shepherds, fishermen, soldiers, physicians, preachers, kings—human beings from all walks of life. They served under different governments, and lived within contrasting cultures and systems of philosophy.

That is a hell of a lot different than ....one...deranged Arab making shit up to fit his personal wants and needs.

[spurraider21]

Diversity of Bible Writers

Those who wrote the Bible lived at different times, some separated by hundreds of years. In many cases they were complete strangers to one another. Some Bible writers were businessmen or traders, others were shepherds, fishermen, soldiers, physicians, preachers, kings—human beings from all walks of life. They served under different governments, and lived within contrasting cultures and systems of philosophy.

That is a hell of a lot different than ....one...deranged Arab making shit up.that certainly explains why the bible contradicts itself all the time

[Avante]

that certainly explains why the bible contradicts itself all the time

But.............see how different that is than this...

Muslims believe the Quran was verbally revealed by God to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel (Jibril), gradually over a period of approximately 23 years, beginning on 22 December 609 CE, when Muhammad was 40, and concluding in 632, the year of his death.

Then ya ask me why I don't put anything at all into Islam.

Jesus wasn't raiding caravans and having people beheaded, that was Mohammad. Who was just a Warload thinking his bullshit story would help his cause.

I take it you know...0....about Mohammad.

[Ghazi]

Quran basically steals all the nonsense of the Bible and Torah. If Quran is ridiculous, so is its original roots (Bible, Torah)

[Avante]

Quran basically steals all the nonsense of the Bible and Torah. If Quran is ridiculous, so is its original roots (Bible, Torah)


Then ya wonder why ya never get any pussy. Who wants to fuck an obvious idiot?

[Ghazi]

Story of Job, Moses, Jesus, and Yusuf are all in the Quean. They were borrowed from the Torah and Bible. Its all fake shit

[Avante]

Story of Job, Moses, Jesus, and Yusuf are all in the Quean. They were borrowed from the Torah and Bible. Its all fake shit

Are you paying any attention at all? YES, all that silliness ...man made. That isn't even being questioned...ok?

[Ghazi]

So obviously if there was a higher power he has nothing to do with Christ or Muhammad. And he definitelt doesnt give a damn about us and has no power to intervene.

[Avante]

So obviously if there was a higher power he has nothing to do with Christ or Muhammad. And he definitelt doesnt give a damn about us and has no power to intervene.

Stop being such a simple fuck ok? Do you really think all this just came about by chance? Look at all the things that must work in perfect concert to pull this off. What if the sun was closer or further away? And so on and so on....

Humans MUST explain things so here comes the Bible, when in reality we don't know shit.

[Ghazi]

Again, if there is a higher power, he has no feelings towards us. The Yniverse is 14,000,000,000 years old and stretches 46,000,000,000 light years. Christianity is 2000 years old and implies the 14b year old God morphed into a human for 32 years in order to "save us". Islam is 1400 years old and implies the creator of the 14b year old Universe sent a fucking angel to some random cave to some random Arab. Its all nonsense

[Avante]

Again, if there is a higher power, he has no feelings towards us. The Yniverse is 14,000,000,000 years old and stretches 46,000,000,000 light years. Christianity is 2000 years old and implies the 14b year old God morphed into a human for 32 years in order to "save us". Islam is 1400 years old and implies the creator of the 14b year old Universe sent a fucking angel to some random cave to some random Arab. Its all nonsense

ONE MORE TIME~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

YES YES YES YES YES......it is all total nonsense....ok?

BUT.....something is responsible for all this, we just don't know what that is so we make shit up trying to explain it.

Mother Nature
Father Time

....that's how we do things.

[mavsfan1000]

God loves us all. Regardless, if we support him or not.

[Ghazi]

Does God love the children who are born with cancer?

[mavsfan1000]

It is unfortunate for them. But a lifetime in Heaven will make up for it all.

[Blake]

It is unfortunate for them. But a lifetime in Heaven will make up for it all.

Why not just skip the earth pain and put them in heaven now?

Seems cruel

[Ghazi]

Is there food in heaven? What the fuck do people do in heaven anyway? Just live in a dyate of exstasy amd bliss permanently? wouldnt they get bored of it... The whores promised by Islam in heaven... do you fuck them or just admire their beauty? Everything comes to an end, but heaven and hell last forever? Why is Hell composed of flames and fire? Why cant it just be monkeys throwing their feces at you forever? or being forced to have sex with a whale?

[mavsfan1000]

Why not just skip the earth pain and put them in heaven now?

Seems cruel
God doesn't work that way.

[Ghazi]

How does God work?

[mavsfan1000]

How does God work?
God works in mysterious ways. Everyday is a test.

[spurraider21]

thats convenient

almost as convenient as...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_sF72ofj5U

[mavsfan1000]

I'm a sinner. But at least I admit to it. Smh at those who totally deny him.

[Blake]

I'm a sinner. But at least I admit to it. Smh at those who totally deny him.

What happens to those who totally deny him

[mavsfan1000]

What happens to those who totally deny him
What do you think happens to them?

[Blake]

What do you think happens to them?

Nothing. What do you think happens to them

[mavsfan1000]

Nothing. What do you think happens to them
I have no right to make that judgement. My God is very forgiving. But it isn't up for me to decide who goes to hell.

[Blake]

I have no right to make that judgement. My God is very forgiving. But it isn't up for me to decide who goes to hell.

Why did God create hell?

What a sick fuck

[mavsfan1000]

Why did God create hell?

What a sick fuck
Those people deserved it. They are the sick fucks.

[Blake]

Those people deserved it. They are the sick fucks.

What did they do wrong

[Avante]

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That is one of my 22 books on this world, yep, curious about how anyone could buy into this crazy shit.

[Ghazi]

So Gods divine justice is that, say someone sins for 50 years or so, they should be subject to an WTERNITY in hell? why not just give them 50 years in Hell?

[Avante]

So Gods divine justice is that, say someone sins for 50 years or so, they should be subject to an WTERNITY in hell? why not just give them 50 years in Hell?

There is no Heaven or Hell, just like there was no Trojan Horse or Flying carpets. That is all humans doing what we do, which is fucking things up. We NEED an explanation for everything so we have one.

There is ....something....however, that should be real obvious. What that is nobody has a clue. So we fake it and go with....God.

[Blake]

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avante is a good moderate muslim. believes in a god, but not the specifics of the books :tu

[Avante]

avante is a good moderate muslim. believes in a god, but not the specifics of the books :tu

Avante simply has too much common sense to think all this could just happen by chance. This..God...thing is just us feeble humans trying to deal with something so far beyond us it's ridiculous.

I look at Muslims as the most stupid of all people, they honestly can't see what Mohammad is playing there?

Dude, I get you're not overly bright but Avante a Muslim, hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~ I have never bowed in prayer to anything, much less what 5 times a day, which tells us just how damn stupid those people really are. And, I treat women as equals until it comes time to change a flat , open a jar of pickles etc etc.

[spurraider21]

Avante simply has too much common sense to think all this could just happen by chance. This..God...thing is just us feeble humans trying to deal with something so far beyond us it's ridiculous.

I look at Muslims as the most stupid of all people, they honestly can't see what Mohammad is playing there?

Dude, I get you're not overly bright but Avante a Muslim, hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~ I have never bowed in prayer to anything, much less what 5 times a day, which tells us just how damn stupid those people really are. And, I treat women as equals until it comes time to change a flat , open a jar of pickles etc etc.you aren't devout. you don't believe the tales in the quran. but you believe in a god... you're a moderate

[Avante]

you aren't devout. you don't believe the tales in the quran. but you believe in a god... you're a moderate

I'll go slow....

Mohammad was a killer, and a liar, ok ya with me? His Islam is all a 100% load of desert bullshit, ok?

What about that don't you get?

[spurraider21]

I'll go slow....

Mohammad was a killer, and a liar, ok ya with me? His Islam is all a 100% load of desert bullshit, ok?

What about that don't you get?you believe in allah

[Avante]

you believe in allah

Ya made more sense when ya were doing that silly childish chirping bullshit. Got pretty boring didn't it?

There is no Allah and there is no God, how many times do I need to tell you that? BUT....BUT...BUT...there is something out there and only an idiot wouldn't see that. So being an American I can go with calling it...God...instead of just........ something.

Let me guess you're too dumb to get that.

There is a reason Muslims don't go door to door.

knock knock
anyone...yes?
Muslim (she's all wrapped up like a mummy, he has a scraggley ass beard and a turbin)....good morning.
anyone...yes???
Muslim...you ever thought of joining Islam, the one true belief?
anyone....you're kidding right?
Muslim.....watch your tongue infidel.
anyone....let me guess, you'll chop it off, or bomb me...right?
Muslim...stupid Americans, may Allah spit on your grave.
anyone....do you people ever take a bath, ya stink.
Muslim....burn in hell infidel.
anyone....can she talk, and isn't it a bit hot for all that shit?
Muslim....rattles off a bunch of shit in Arabic
anyone....have a merry Christmas (July). Shuts the door.

[spurraider21]

Ya made more sense when ya were doing that silly childish chirping bullshit. Got pretty boring didn't it?

There is no Allah and there is no God, how many times do I need to tell you that? BUT....BUT...BUT...there is something out there and only an idiot wouldn't see that. So being an American I can go with calling it...God...instead of just........ something.sure, you call it god. and allah is just a translation of the word god. so you believe in god, therefore you believe in allah

[Avante]

sure, you call it god. and allah is just a translation of the word god. so you believe in god, therefore you believe in allah

She is a girl....right? And she is my friend....right? So she must be my girlfriend....right? But she isn't.

I'm having a cold...hot dog....how is that possible?

I have never had a french fry from France.

How come Goofy can talk and act like a human while Pluto is just a dog, hell, Goofy is just a dog?

People really couldn't tell Superman from a bird or a plane?

Dude, if you're going to act stupid I'm going to treat you as such, got it?

Go to a Pentecostal church next Sunday and run this...you all believe in Allah....stupidity by them, ok? So Mormons believe in Allah, just how damn dumb are you? Muslims believe in Jehovah?

Little man, the Detroit Lions, really aren't Lions, honest.

[Blake]

...there is something out there and only an idiot wouldn't see that.

What's sad and pathetic is that there are so many Americans like the fat ol cricket that think it's obvious there's an invisible magic alien out there that created everything.

But but but evolution. ......to which there is real evidence. .....

...smh our country is so stupid.

[mavsfan1000]

What's sad and pathetic is that there are so many Americans like the fat ol cricket that think it's obvious there's an invisible magic alien out there that created everything.

But but but evolution. ......to which there is real evidence. .....

...smh our country is so stupid.
So everything created itself? I find it hard to believe that. I feel something out there is eternal. And that something is God.

[Blake]

So everything created itself? I find it hard to believe that. I feel something out there is eternal. And that something is God.

God created itself?

[mavsfan1000]

God created itself?
God is eternal. God never ceased to exist.

[Blake]

God is eternal. God never ceased to exist.

I could say the same about the universe

[lebomb]

What's sad and pathetic is that there are so many Americans like the fat ol cricket that think it's obvious there's an invisible magic alien out there that created everything.

But but but evolution. ......to which there is real evidence. .....

...smh our country is so stupid.

Yeah, you were a fish at one point and decided you would rather walk around, talk to other former fishes, liked to eat land grazing animals (former fishes) and enjoyed watching the Spurs play basketball (all former fish). At this point you decided to stay a human and not evolve anymore because you are happy now. Yep, you are right. :rolleyes

[Avante]

I do pity those with this....if ya can't prove it it can't exist. Look at how different things are today than just 50 years ago. What do we have right now that didn't exist 1000 years ago?

[Avante]

Yeah, you were a fish at one point and decided you would rather walk around, talk to other former fishes, liked to eat land grazing animals (former fishes) and enjoyed watching the Spurs play basketball (all former fish). At this point you decided to stay a human and not evolve anymore because you are happy now. Yep, you are right. :rolleyes

You got it.

So these little fishies evolved into spiders, snails, eagles, elephants, ants, butterflies, camels, frogs. gorillas, rhinos.....etc etc etc. How could anyone buy into that silliness.

Where are all those stages of evolution of that fish evolving into that T -Rex?

So how come no fishies are leaving the oceans today? A fish becoming a T-Rex....:rolleyes

[Blake]

Yeah, you were a fish at one point and decided you would rather walk around, talk to other former fishes, liked to eat land grazing animals (former fishes) and enjoyed watching the Spurs play basketball (all former fish). At this point you decided to stay a human and not evolve anymore because you are happy now. Yep, you are right. :rolleyes

I get it. You don't understand it and don't care to. You're not the first, not the last.

Americans are so stupid.

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I could say the same about the universe

agree... Universe is a continuum of matter, energy, and space

[Blake]

agree... Universe is a continuum of matter, energy, and space

K well that's that

[mavsfan1000]

I could say the same about the universe
Science denies that idea. The Big Bang Theory was created by God.

[Blake]

Science denies that idea

Big Science


The Big Bang Theory was created by God.

No it wasn't. This conversation blows.

[mavsfan1000]

Big Science



No it wasn't. This conversation blows.
I will pray you see the light someday.

[spurraider21]

I'll give the Carl Sagan version... if we say God created the Universe

Scenario 1:

- Where did god come from?
- It's an unanswerable question
- Why not save the step and just say the creation of the universe is an unanswerable question?

Scenario 2:

- Where did God come from?
- God always existed.
- Why not save a step and say the universe always existed?

[apalisoc_9]

I'll give the Carl Sagan version... if we say God created the Universe

Scenario 1:

- Where did god come from?
- It's an unanswerable question
- Why not save the step and just say the creation of the universe is an unanswerable question?

Scenario 2:

- Where did God come from?
- God always existed.
- Why not save a step and say the universe always existed?

That loop only fails with Christianity.

The very problem with this loop is that it tries to apply Human and Earthly restrictions to God himself.

The universe can't possibly create himself because creations don't create things. However, A God that is All knowing, eternal, Capable of all things can.

That's the problem with the atheist appraoch. It always fails to understand that God is Eternal, all knowing and capable of everything.

[apalisoc_9]

Also, according the Quran ( You won't find this in the corrputed white washed christianity) The Universe was a something that turned into a rose like appearance ( exploded through heat) and will continue to expand until Allah tells it to stop expanding.

How can a bedouin possibly know of this Modern theory. There is no way a man from Arabia 1400 years ago would have known this.

[spurraider21]

That loop only fails with Christianity.

The very problem with this loop is that it tries to apply Human and Earthly restrictions to God himself.

The universe can't possibly create himself because creations don't create things. However, A God that is All knowing, eternal, Capable of all things can.

That's the problem with the atheist appraoch. It always fails to understand that God is Eternal, all knowing and capable of everything.and therefore you fall into exactly the same loop (scenario number 2)

[Ghazi]

Why did God choose this desert Bedoin?

According to Mo, there were 124,000 prophets... why couldn't God keep their stories/lives/histories alive so that people of today would be more capable of "believing"

Why does God need us to believe in him in order to reward us? Is he a girl who needs attention?

Quran also says to chop off the hands of thieves and that the testimony of 1 male is equal to 2 females.

"Allah controls the good and the evil" ... this means Allah is responsible for shit like Hitler and cancer. Did he create Hitler just so he could punish millions of people and send Hitler to Hell?

According to Islam, "angels" fashion people whilst they're in the wombs (implying predestiny)...therefore, all the murderers and rapists and so on were planned by Allah... it's all a part of his plan.

Why the Quran? Of all the things God could've done, why would he create a book that repeats legends and stories of cultures past? Why not: increase the food supply, provide a cure for cancer, show Himself so that we can more easily believe in him...

Shit just doesn't add up bro...

[apalisoc_9]

and therefore you fall into exactly the same loop (scenario number 2)

No, the loop ends when you understand that Gods qualities include that he is the most eternal and the only creator. He created everything, and he doesnt come from anything.

If people can people at the idea that the earth is just there and it just happened, Im not sure why they cant apply the same logic with God.

[spurraider21]

No, the loop ends when you understand that Gods qualities include that he is the most eternal and the only creator. He created everything, and he doesnt come from anything.
but thats the exact point of the loop. if you're willing to grant that you can have a timeless god, why can't you be willing to admit that the universe is timeless and just bypass god?


If people can people at the idea that the earth is just there and it just happened, Im not sure why they cant apply the same logic with God.because we know with certainty the earth exists

it's possible that god exists... but it's not a necessity

[apalisoc_9]

Why did God choose this desert Bedoin?


He choose Muhammad Pbuh, just like he choose many other prophets. They had the qualities of a trustworthy person, leader, someone that can inspire people. Muhammad Pbuh was the most trusted person in Mecca before his tribe started to go against him because of his religion but never denying his honesty.




According to Mo, there were 124,000 prophets... why couldn't God keep their stories/lives/histories alive so that people of today would be more capable of "believing"



That is an Israelite number, it could be true it could be not. Some Muslims use it under the ruling that it has no harm but the basis is weak...Also, God did make their stories alive There are many stories of prophets and their struggles..Not just the well known Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, Abraham the father of humanity Adam. As for Muhammad Pbuh race, according to Muhammad Pbuh only 4 prophets were arabs out of so many prophets. Israel was blessed.



Why does God need us to believe in him in order to reward us? Is he a girl who needs attention?


Because God creates everything with purpose. Humans and Jinns are commanded to obey and believe. That is their purpose. Are we just suppose to live our Earthly lives without any real purpose? God does not needed anyones..If you Obey, you get a reward.



Quran also says to chop off the hands of thieves and that the testimony of 1 male is equal to 2 females.



Because Under Islamic Fiqh, Women are not suppose to be going out without another Male non-marriageable male. They dont have the same range or scope as a male, if they follow Allahs commands.



"Allah controls the good and the evil" ... this means Allah is responsible for shit like Hitler and cancer. Did he create Hitler just so he could punish millions of people and send Hitler to Hell?



Allah Controls everything because something can only happen with his Will. Hitler was an evil person that had free will..Do you think Allah will just stop every human being that is going to committ Sin? that defeats the whole purpose of human and Jinn Kind...Allah willed for us to have free will. He will test humans as long as they live in Earth.



According to Islam, "angels" fashion people whilst they're in the wombs (implying predestiny)...therefore, all the murderers and rapists and so on were planned by Allah... it's all a part of his plan.

Shit just doesn't add up bro...

God Is all knowing. He already knows what you are going to do before you even do it. Marriage, Money, and other worldly things have been predestined by Allah SWT...However, no one is born destined to be in hellfire. You make your own decisions. The Evening of Destiny is where muslims pray for their decrees...That is amazing..You know why? because it further elevates ( he needs no elevations since he is the most high) Allah SWT.

He already knew you were going to pray at the night of decree before you even prayed. He is the all knowing.





Why the Quran? Of all the things God could've done, why would he create a book that repeats legends and stories of cultures past? Why not: increase the food supply, provide a cure for cancer, show Himself so that we can more easily believe in him...

Shit just doesn't add up bro...

Why would God defeat the whole purpose of human creation. Having everything handed to human beings essentially defeats the purpose of reward on good deeds.

He repeats his stories, and adds stories on the Quran so people can reflect..And make no mistake, People have reflected otherwise Islam would have never spread the way it has in a very short amount of time.

[apalisoc_9]

but thats the exact point of the loop. if you're willing to grant that you can have a timeless god, why can't you be willing to admit that the universe is timeless and just bypass god?

because we know with certainty the earth exists

it's possible that god exists... but it's not a necessity

Because exactly What Qualities does the universe have? Does it have the qualities to create? no it doesnt, but God does.

Thats even a bigger proof. Earth Exists, yet we know it doesnt create humans. In fact, planets get destroyed and Milky ways get destroyed...Does God get destroyed?

[spurraider21]

Because exactly What Qualities does the universe have? Does it have the qualities to create? no it doesnt, but God does.

Thats even a bigger proof. Earth Exists, yet we know it doesnt create humans. In fact, planets get destroyed and Milky ways get destroyed...Does God get destroyed?every time we ask a question about god, the answer is unknown. its a non-answer

[apalisoc_9]

every time we ask a question about god, the answer is unknown. its a non-answer

How is it a non-answer?

Again, Does a God get destroyed?

We know planets, milky ways and universes do.

So that essentially destroys your loop. Something that gets destroyed isn't powerful enough to create a creation that reflects and questions.

[spurraider21]

How is it a non-answer?

Again, Does a God get destroyed?

We know planets, milky ways and universes do.

So that essentially destroys your loop. Something that gets destroyed isn't powerful enough to create a creation that reflects and questions.you tell me... does god get destroyed? and whatever your answer is... how do you know?

its just assigning characteristics without actually knowing that they're true or not. at some point it just boils down to blind faith

[apalisoc_9]

you tell me... does god get destroyed? and whatever your answer is... how do you know?

its just assigning characteristics without actually knowing that they're true or not. at some point it just boils down to blind faith

How is it blind faith?

Can a bedouin possibly know that the universe was a smaller dense matter and then it was commanded and it went asunder and expanded like colorful rose ( heat, explosion) and will continue to expand until it is commanded to stop.

How can anyone sit in their butts and not reflect on how thats even possible for a bedouin to know...Surely someone all knowing told him about this.

Through examples like that, God's characteristics are known...

Surely someone who claims he is all the knowing and proves it so..Means that his other claim the only creator and only sustainer is true too. No way A bedouin would have known about the big bang.

[spurraider21]

can god be destroyed? how do you know?

and the big bang, despite it's name, is not really considering to be an explosion, but a rapid expansion. If i'm not mistaken, the quran also says the earth and heavens were one, and god separated them...

[Blake]

That loop only fails with Christianity.

The very problem with this loop is that it tries to apply Human and Earthly restrictions to God himself.

The universe can't possibly create himself because creations don't create things. However, A God that is All knowing, eternal, Capable of all things can.

That's the problem with the atheist appraoch. It always fails to understand that God is Eternal, all knowing and capable of everything.

Terrible logic

[Blake]

Because exactly What Qualities does the universe have? Does it have the qualities to create? no it doesnt, but God does.

Thats even a bigger proof. Earth Exists, yet we know it doesnt create humans. In fact, planets get destroyed and Milky ways get destroyed...Does God get destroyed?

How do you know another more powerful god didn't create your god?

[Ghazi]

Allah just needs to decide the matter and send us a 21st centiry prophet with a modern miracle. How can he possibly expect us not to be skeptical of the Quran rather than just blindly accept it as His word. Alas, Mo is the "seal of prophets" so thats exactly what Allah expects of us.

[Avante]

There is no doubt Mohammad is bullshitting about his encounter with the Angel Gabriel in the cave on the mountain. There is no doubt he knew about Christianity and decided to have his very own religion. It really is just that obviouis and how anyone couldn't see that.....????

YES, the Bible stories are also fictious. Right over there sits a copy of Bhagavad-gila......if not familiar with it Google it. We love to tell stories.

[Blake]

There is no doubt Mohammad is bullshitting about his encounter with the Angel Gabriel in the cave on the mountain. There is no doubt he knew about Christianity and decided to have his very own religion. It really is just that obviouis and how anyone couldn't see that.....????

YES, the Bible stories are also fictious. Right over there sits a copy of Bhagavad-gila......if not familiar with it Google it. We love to tell stories.

But billions of people believe so there must be something. That's what you said.

Because you're an idiot tbh

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he said you shoot sick pedo's in the head.

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[Avante]

Ever notice just how totally fucked up those two freaks are? And, how badly they both need Avante.

[clambake]

Ever notice just how totally fucked up those two freaks are? And, how badly they both need Avante.

child rapist opinion piece.

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I bet he's mumbling something about me to nobody in particular.

I'm right aren't i

[Avante]

So one minute this little shit is reading Avante and the next he isn't, hahahahaha~~~

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Avante (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8898576#post8898576)
There is no doubt Mohammad is bullshitting about his encounter with the Angel Gabriel in the cave on the mountain. There is no doubt he knew about Christianity and decided to have his very own religion. It really is just that obviouis and how anyone couldn't see that.....????

YES, the Bible stories are also fictious. Right over there sits a copy of Bhagavad-gila......if not familiar with it Google it. We love to tell stories.


But billions of people believe so there must be something. That's what you said.

Because you're an idiot tbh

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Just tell this fucking idiot he will be ignored and the little shit freaks out. Funny to watch the boy, hahahaha~~~~~~

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I'd lay $100 he's still whining about me.

I'm right aren't I.

[Avante]

Billions of people NEED a God/Superior Being/Master Designer, and while it's done in many different ways they all agree with me in that there is SOMETHING responsible for all this.

Only dumbass atheists don't get it.

[clambake]

so mohammad was bullshiting in a fake book.

got it

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[clambake]

I'd lay $100 he's still whining about me.

I'm right aren't I.

yeah, he's pretty upset.

[Blake]

yeah, he's pretty upset.

And pretty predictable

[Avante]

I'd lay $100 he's still whining about me.

I'm right aren't I.

The little shit folows me around like a dog waiting for a bone, then plays that stupid shit, hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~

Too fucking stupid to figure out if he didn't hump my leg all the time he'd never exist in my world.

[Avante]

Ok, bored trolling these two idiots for today. It really is just too damn easy, boring actually.

[clambake]

yeah, he's pretty upset.

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I bet he's doing that hahahaha ~~~~thing claiming he's trolling us.

I'm right aren't I.

[clambake]

I bet he's doing that hahahaha ~~~~thing claiming he's trolling us.

I'm right aren't I.

every time you upset him, a child gets hurt.

[Ghazi]

18:86 ... sun sets in a muddy spring

[UNT Eagles 2016]

18:86 ... sun sets in a muddy spring

I thought you were converting to atheism? :lol

[apalisoc_9]

can god be destroyed? how do you know?

and the big bang, despite it's name, is not really considering to be an explosion, but a rapid expansion. If i'm not mistaken, the quran also says the earth and heavens were one, and god separated them...

How can the only destroyer and creator be destroyed? A rapid expansion is somewhat of an explosion. The description in the Quran is that it was like a rose in colour opened up and expanded. Seems like a rapid expansion to me.

Of course the idea that Heaven and earths was one is true. As the heavens and the earth were one entity before its rapid expansion. He then brought life to earth.

18:86 is contextually about the the two horned Just King. The Quran says, he moved until he reached the western most part of the land, there he found the Sun as if it was setting in black muddy water.

The emphasis here is "As if" the Quran uses this style of language many times to give the human beings, specially bedouins at that time a clear image of the action. We know the Eart is Round and that when it sets somewhere it raises somewhere. Islamic Schoars knew this thousands of years ago when Athesit, were believing in non-sensical things and europe was in an mess.

[Ghazi]

Some interesting material has somehow made it into God's eternal book.

Zaid's divorce and remarriage to Muhammad.... the God of a 14,000,000,000 year old Universe decided to include that verse in an "eternal" book?

[apalisoc_9]

Some interesting material has somehow made it into God's eternal book.

Zaid's divorce and remarriage to Muhammad.... the God of a 14,000,000,000 year old Universe decided to include that verse in an "eternal" book?

Yes because Allah Wanted to make sure that a divorced women is marriagble by any man not her father, brother or adopted father.

It was very important for Allah to let the Men know the virute of marriage. Some scholars in the past ( they had the wrong opinion though) even thought marriage is an obligation.

It was specially important to Women and men to understand the concept of divorce and who they can remarry and when divorce is right.

So many of Allah's commandments and Example he used Muhammad Pbuh as an example. For example, If it was up to Muhammad he would have prayed all night for Abu Talib Forgivness since He was the most beloved person.

Abu Talib was his uncle, his father, his life..so many of the things he accomplished before prophethood and during prophethood was because Allah made it so that Abu Talib would help him.

But Abu Talib himself never believed and it hurt him as he was very proud (a good way) about his father-Uncle.

If i am goi g to write a book, I am not going to write something that would endanger one of my most beloved person and endanger my own message.

The Meccans even made a mockery out of the fact that Abu Talib never embrassed islam.

But Allah has Commanded that No Muslim should ever pray for forgivness for a non-Muslim..It's a sin and a direct disobedience to Allahs orders.

[apalisoc_9]

That's the beauty of the Quran, it not only serves as a reminder but a Guide to humanity.

Marriage in Islam is not mandatory but is extrmelty recommended. Men who marry widows, widows with kids, poor women, etc have their rewards.

[Ghazi]

well Ill be damned...

[Ghazi]

May the hands of Abu Lahab perish... the Creator of the 14b year old Universe decided to devote an entire chapter to cursing Abu Lahab (Mos uncle) and his wife simply because they mocked Islam... Interesting that Allah felt like including this chapter

[Ghazi]

Allah created a Universe that spans 46 billion light years and is 14,000,000,000 years old and then decided to write a book 1400 years ago devoting a chapter to condemning Muhammads disbelieving uncle............... the fuck?

[apalisoc_9]

May the hands of Abu Lahab perish... the Creator of the 14b year old Universe decided to devote an entire chapter to cursing Abu Lahab (Mos uncle) and his wife simply because they mocked Islam... Interesting that Allah felt like including this chapter

Abu Lahab is the Prophets other uncle. The Quran is a trancedent message, Allah Is the creator of all things and the greatest. The Surah about Abu Lahab is about people like Abu Lahab.

It's no different than telling the story of Pharaoh, Nimrood, The Giants of Aad etc.

Abu Lahab did not just mock Islam. He was one of the for-runners against destorying his own Nephew and other family memebrs. He committed his life during the prophethood to seperate himself from his Nephew.

He boasted and showed Pride because of His Money..He based his "status" on money and association with the polyatheist Meccans.

Sit down and think, how many people base their proudness with money, associations etc? How many people try to bring down good people and show pride based on those two things.

Make no mistake, everything that happend with the prophet was set for as an example for human kind to reflect.

The Surah of abu lahab Has given so many oppressed Muslims hope . Even today muslims look at that surah when they have Trump in mind. Its been a very strong message that echoed strongly from persia to the western most part of Africa.

And its been a a surah of hope for so many Muslims post Ali RA...

Although the tabioon were righeous people.

[apalisoc_9]

Allah created a Universe that spans 46 billion light years and is 14,000,000,000 years old and then decided to write a book 1400 years ago devoting a chapter to condemning Muhammads disbelieving uncle............... the fuck?

Of course, Allah is the most merciful. I would certainly be Salty if the God of All things just decided..Meh, Humans are too punny for me..I dont want to bother reminding them about right and wrong...I'll just throw thrm on hellfire without proper warning.

[Leetonidas]

Humans and their fairy tales. Lol

[Ghazi]

Why couldnt Allah give Muhammad a son to avoid the Sunni/shiite rift... or
keep him alive a little longer so that he could officially name a successor. If Allah controls literally everything, he controls the chemical reactions that regulate human thought emotion and behavior... essentially we have no say as to whether or not we go to Heaven or Hell... its all Gods will. Someone who studies Quran Tafsir and hadith and becomes skeptical about the authenticity of the religion is condemned to hell...
meanwhile, someone who automatically accepts Islam without researching it simply because that is how their parents raised them or its the culture they were exposed to is rewarded with gardens and large breasted Houris.. well Ill be fucking damned

[apalisoc_9]

Why couldnt Allah give Muhammad a son to avoid the Sunni/shiite rift... or
keep him alive a little longer so that he could officially name a successor. If Allah controls literally everything, he controls the chemical reactions that regulate human thought emotion and behavior... essentially we have no say as to whether or not we go to Heaven or Hell... its all Gods will. Someone who studies Quran Tafsir and hadith and becomes skeptical about the authenticity of the religion is condemned to hell...
meanwhile, someone who automatically accepts Islam without researching it simply because that is how their parents raised them or its the culture they were exposed to is rewarded with gardens and large breasted Houris.. well Ill be fucking damned

Allah Guides who he wills. There is having the ability to control and controlling. Allah is the only one with the ability to control everything but us Humans and Jinns have been given free will.

Satan believed in Allah, yet he is destines to hellfire. It doesnt matter what you know, its the action you take.

People who never heard the Message of Muhhamd, Jesus, Moses and other prophets are judged based on their pure actions. Nowadys, it would be almost impossible to find those people.

Allah Already knows what you're going to do before you do, He is the all knower but whatever decision about religion you make is your own choice and action.

Where you born does not dictate your future. There are millions of reverts and there are saudi apostates. It does not matter.

Muhammad did not need to call a name for a caliph. He already gave the people the guidelines on what a leader is. It would have never mattered.

No such thing as Sunni vs Shia during the Rashidun and even up to the times of the tabioon. Shiism divided themselves from the majority years after. Even the 4th shia "imam" would hardly call himself shia.

[Ghazi]

Its hard to believe in the jinn... there is no evidence of their existence and it seems to be an aspect of Arab mythology that creeped its way into the Quran. Apparently they live right here on Earth, have communities on Earth just like us but we cant see or experience them in anyway... the virgins of paradise have not been touched by man OR jinn.... Anyway, thousands of people even today think theyre prophets or Jesus or the Mahdi... they usually get diagnosed with schizophrenia or bipolar and wind up in mental institutions... there was a time I smoked a lot of weed and read the Quran and started to believe I was Imam Muhammad al-mahdi, the end of time
Shia savior... alas.. Its a mental trick. Occams razor suggests we should assume Muhammads braon was misfiring on some level, and his initial experience in the cave was some sort of psychiatric episode triggered by teligious excitement hunger thirst isolation etc. Its possible to be a reformer and insane at the same time. As for Moses and Jesus, its hard not to believe theyre nothing more than legends... there is no archaeological evidence for the existence of a Moses like figure.

[Ghazi]

Muhammads initial reaction to his first revelation was that he wanted to kill himself, thinking he had been emchanted. If Khadijah didnt convince him his experience was genuinely from God, Islam might not even exist today..

[Ghazi]

Do apostates deserve death? It isn't sufficient for God to punish them on Judgment Day?

If so, bring the ruckus :lol

[apalisoc_9]

The evidence of Jesus is in the Bible itself. Obviously, over time it was corrupted.

The evidence if Abaraham and his sons is in Araba. Their graves are there.

The Jinns are real. Why do you think "Ghosts" have been around for so long? Every unexplained mysterious "thing" in this world comes with a Jinn that sinned. Jinns are commanded to live human beings alone but many of them transgress some might be good jins but just sinned etc.

Thousdands of fake prophets today have not foretold the future. Only the messengers have. How does Muhhamd even know the bedouins would even end up fighting for a tall tower, how does he even know the Great Christian constantinople would eventually be conquered, how does a lunatic even know a small tribe of meccans would eventually beat the Persians, yemanis, Romans?

Have these so called "fakes" ever had to deal with this?

Think about it Ghazi, how did a bedouin know that something lile the Sun rising in the west is even possible? ( modern scientist today believe its going to happen eventually)

[apalisoc_9]

Do apostates deserve death? It isn't sufficient for God to punish them on Judgment Day?

If so, bring the ruckus :lol

Appstates deserve death because they bring about confusion. The fact that you're in American might a blessing for you because you might need more time to clear your head.

Here, lets agree on something and I hope you live to see it because that might be the only hope for you...

If Nations of the World Gathers to fight Muslims and an Imam shows up to repel these attackers you at that point should believe...

But lets say you didnt.

If a man blind in one of his eyes start making miracles, you need to start believing for he is a the greatest Liar...

But lets say you didnt.

If a Darker tonnes man shows up and calls himself Jesus, then aat that point you need to believe...hopefully, the sun has not risen in the west yet at that point.

[apalisoc_9]

Humans and their fairy tales. Lol

Adam,Noh,Ibrahim, Sulayman,Daud, Musa, Esa, Muhhamd, Shoayb, Zachariya, Yahya, etc Peace be upon them have proven through their Knowledge of future events that they are all real.

Ibrahim Grave is in Arabia and Kaaba was built by his own hands. None of it is a fairy tale.

[Ghazi]

What did these niggas say about the future? Do we know anythinf about Abraham other than him wanting to sacrifice his son (clearly a legend)...

[Leetonidas]

Adam,Noh,Ibrahim, Sulayman,Daud, Musa, Esa, Muhhamd, Shoayb, Zachariya, Yahya, etc Peace be upon them have proven through their Knowledge of future events that they are all real.

Ibrahim Grave is in Arabia and Kaaba was built by his own hands. None of it is a fairy tale.

Lol you're dumb. That shit is all fake. Grow up dude

[Ghazi]

68:1 Nun. By the pen that the angels write with... Nun is referring a whale that carries the Earth on its back... a muthafuckin whale is carrying the Earth on its fucking back... :lol 7th century... also the angels write everything that occurs until the Last Hour... so apparently, me making this post on Spurstalk was determined billions of years Go...

[apalisoc_9]

68:1 Nun. By the pen that the angels write with... Nun is referring a whale that carries the Earth on its back... a muthafuckin whale is carrying the Earth on its fucking back... :lol 7th century... also the angels write everything that occurs until the Last Hour... so apparently, me making this post on Spurstalk was determined billions of years Go...

Nun is a letter that only Allah knows its full meaning. It's not a whale. I'm starting to think your sources are either poor or imaginary.

68:1 is an Oath. Allah SWT uses (noon) and the Pen to make an oath.

The Angelsnwrite everything that has happened. They're nothing but a creation and what is going to happen in the future Allah only knows. That's elm al qhayb.

[apalisoc_9]

What did these niggas say about the future? Do we know anythinf about Abraham other than him wanting to sacrifice his son (clearly a legend)...

Prophets are All extenstions of one another. The Prophet muhammad knew Persia, Rome was going to be defeated when they were barely in the hundreds. He the knew the Great cpatial of constantinople was going to bbe captured, He knew Arabs will fight for long buuldings, he knew the Sun will eventually rise in the west, he knew the universe was expanding and will continue to expand, he knew a Very Tall tower will cover Mekkah, he knew the Arabs will face humuliation( today) etc...He knew so many things that no bedouin can know in the 7th century.

He is an extension to all prophets. Not every prophet had to know these exact details because it not relevent for their specif time period.

[Darth_Pelican]

How convenient that all of the magic happened before television and radio was able to record it, and once the technology came, all of the magic stopped.

[spurraider21]

How convenient that all of the magic happened before television and radio was able to record it, and once the technology came, all of the magic stopped.at least there were a bunch of illiterate goat herders there to record everything

[Ghazi]

Allah could send us down a 21st century prophet with a 21st century "miracle" to decide the matter... .alas, its not in his will. He'd rather test us by forcing us to accept an illiterate desert Arab in the 7th century as the final Prophet and a book full of legends and tales with some occasional moral advice as His word.

[Ghazi]

Quran 5:33 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter


Allah sanctioning crucifixion..endorsing the cutting off of hands and feet as a punishment for "waging war against Allah and His Apostle"

Really? This came from GODS mouth? The creator of billions of galaxies and stars and planets and black holes also gets kicks out of crucifying his enemies? Enemies that He created and controls, mind you..

[apalisoc_9]

How convenient that all of the magic happened before television and radio was able to record it, and once the technology came, all of the magic stopped.

What Magic? Muhammad's "magic" was all in his predictions. He never had cut the ocean in half magic..

[spurraider21]

What Magic? Muhammad's "magic" was all in his predictions. He never had cut the ocean in half magic..oh except for the whole thing with an angel coming down and talking to him

[Avante]

The Aztecs, Mayans, African tribes, American Indians, Eskimo's, the Aborgines all have their Gods. Back in the days of Mohammad there were tons of various Gods. What does all that tell us, yep, we humans want/need a God so we have them. That's all that's going on with Christianity/Islam. Just us humans having what we need. Yep, it's no different than Zeus, Odin, Jupiter, and the myths and it should be real obvious.

Mohammad was a liar and a power freak, a tryant. His Islam a load of obvious bullshit.

BUT....while all that trying to explain the GOD we suck at it, that doesn't change the fact "something" is behind all this. To think all this just came about by chance is stupid.

[Ghazi]

"something" :lol .... what vague nonsense.

SO what is this "something" thats behind all of this?

[Ghazi]

Muhammad likely had schizophrenia or bipolar with psychotic features.

Guy goes into a cave and has a trip and says an angel is speaking to him... if he went to 1000 psychiatrists today all of them would think he's crazy rather than The Messenger of God.

[Ghazi]

To recap the Quran.

1. Anyone who opposes/"wages war" against the Apostle and Allah should be crucified
2. An entire chapter is devoted to cursing Mo's Uncle Abu Lahab
3. Men are allowed up to 4 wives (why not 5? or 3? or 1?)
4. If you don't believe the legends/myths of the Quran came from Allah, you're damned to eternal Hellfire. You'll be so thirsty and whenever you ask for water you'll be given molten brass.
5. The Sun sets in a muddy spring (18:86)
6. A whale is carrying the Earth on its back (68:1)
7. Thieves should have their hands cut off. Forget rehabilitation, or jailtime, just chop off one of their hands
8. Allah controls the good and the evil, so we don't really have a say in whether we go to Heaven or Hell
9. Muhammad is the final prophet, which begs the question why?
10. The sun and the moon will be "one" near Judgment Day, despite currently being about 100,000,000 miles away
11. The Torah and Bible ALSO came from God, but were corrupted along the way... which begs the question, why did Allah ALLOW them to get corrupted?
12. Adulterers should be stoned to death, fucking STONED

[Ghazi]

13. Nobody is allowed to have sex with the Prophets wives after he dies (why oh WHY is this making its way into Gods Book?)

Im done... fucking done, Im going to Hell, etc.

[Avante]

"something" :lol .... what vague nonsense.

SO what is this "something" thats behind all of this?

Right there is the big mistake that is being made and why we have the religious mess we have. We refuse to accept the fact there are things far beyond our understandings. Nobody knows what that.."something"....is, so here comes all that religious bullshit trying to explain what can't be explained.

We could take a bucket of rocks shake it up and toss them out and we will never ever get a perfect circle of rocks. Now look at how many things must work in perfect concert to pull off life on earth. To think that was just shook up and tossed out and....perfection.....is ridiculous. OBVIOUSLY, "something" is behind all this, only a fool couldn't see that.

[SpursforSix]

We could take a bucket of rocks shake it up and toss them out and we will never ever get a perfect circle of rocks.

How many rocks? How many chances do we get?

[Avante]

How many rocks? How many chances do we get?

It simply won't matter. There is no way in hell dumping rocks out of a bucket will result in a perfect circle, yep.....impossible.

What if the sun were closer or further away? What if the speed the world turns was faster or slower? Then there's gravity. So all that just happened by chance?

DNA by chance?

[SpursforSix]

It simply won't matter. There is no way in hell dumping rocks out of a bucket will result in a perfect circle, yep.....impossible.

You're wrong.

Anyway, it's a terrible comparison. You're equating the singular outcome of a perfect circle with the world as we know it.

[Avante]

You're wrong.

Anyway, it's a terrible comparison. You're equating the singular outcome of a perfect circle with the world as we know it.

I get the fact anyone who can't figure out the limitations of middle school sprinters vs world class sprinters ain't too bright, hell no ya can't get anything "PERFECT" just tossing out rocks.

And, that is a great example of how unlikely it is to think all this just came about without intelligent design. It's just like the needing to place rocks in order to get perfection.

Then there's...

Science gives ample reason to believe in God. Why is DNA important?
British philosopher, Dr. Antony Flew, was a leading spokesperson for atheism, actively involved in debate after debate. However, scientific discoveries within the last 30 years brought him to a conclusion he could not avoid. In a video interview in December 2004 he stated, "Super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature."1 Prominent in his conclusion were the discoveries of DNA. Here's why.
DNA in our cells is very similar to an intricate computer program.