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Winehole23
02-22-2020, 12:09 AM
Don't @ me faggot. Chris demands answers but ducks direct questions.

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 12:11 AM
Well, we definitely shouldn't compromise them with our own agents.What are you talking about? Mifsud?

ElNono
02-22-2020, 01:43 AM
Dat willfully ignorant thing.

Sorry my man, not a fan of Bernie, don't really follow much of what goes on around him/his campaign.

ElNono
02-22-2020, 01:49 AM
Hate break it to you but you’re now supporting a Russian agent.

Hey, at least he didn't get played like a fiddle by Russian operatives, tbh...

Plus, if we're being frank, while Mueller certainly didn't find collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign (which obviously leaves Trump off the hook), he did find evidence of Russia interfering in the election, and that in and of itself is concerning to our democratic process.

I'll also add that it's not just Russia that concerns me, but countries like Saudi Arabia too.

Ball Buster
02-22-2020, 02:07 AM
But not Israel. :lol

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 03:05 AM
Hey, at least he didn't get played like a fiddle by Russian operatives, tbh...

Plus, if we're being frank, while Mueller certainly didn't find collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign (which obviously leaves Trump off the hook), he did find evidence of Russia interfering in the election, and that in and of itself is concerning to our democratic process.

I'll also add that it's not just Russia that concerns me, but countries like Saudi Arabia too.Turkey belongs in this conversation, not only re:Flynn, but also. Barr/Trump/Halkbank.

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 03:09 AM
But not Israel. :lol
Why not?

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 03:19 AM
Don't @ me faggot.Answer pending, I see you ducking.

:lol

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 03:32 AM
Which Russian agents approached the Trump campaign? Don’t even try using Mifsud lol.

If the Trump campaign was in fact approached by “Russian agents” why do the FBI forge documents presented to the FISC to obtain a FISA warrant?Question pending: why shouldn't Bernie be investigated for Russian contacts/infiltration of his campaign?

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 03:37 AM
Well, we definitely shouldn't compromise them with our own agents.That's a deflection.

Question pending: why shouldn't US intel investigate attempted foreign participation/support of Bernie's campaign?

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 03:50 AM
Turkey belongs in this conversation, not only re:Flynn, but also. Barr/Trump/Halkbank.
Letting Erdogan screen anti-Kurd propaganda in the White House was fucking weird.

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 04:18 AM
That's a deflection.

Question pending: why shouldn't US intel investigate attempted foreign participation/support of Bernie's campaign? DarrinS:

If some foreign country were trying to help Bernie, and US intel in response ran a US asset at him or his subordinates to see what would happen, would you still be bitching so hard?

Chris
02-22-2020, 05:01 AM
https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1231067516094615552?s=19

ElNono
02-22-2020, 05:14 AM
https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1231067516094615552?s=19

She sounds upset, tbh, despite having no idea what led to the differing conclusions on Trump's DOJ.

TSA
02-22-2020, 10:43 AM
Question pending: why shouldn't Bernie be investigated for Russian contacts/infiltration of his campaign?

I’m not aware of of any contacts/infiltration.

Questions pending.

Which Russian agents approached the Trump campaign?

If the Trump campaign was in fact approached by “Russian agents” why do the FBI forge documents presented to the FISC to obtain a FISA warrant?

TSA
02-22-2020, 10:45 AM
The left is really going to run with Russiagate 2.0 :lmao

https://mobile.twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1231216394341158912

You fucks are insane

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 10:56 AM
I’m not aware of of any contacts/infiltration. So then you're saying that if a foreign country were trying to help Bernie Sanders -- which we know from WaPo's story yesterday -- there would be no valid basis for US intel to open an investigation?


Questions pending.

Which Russian agents approached the Trump campaign? Clearly, Trump subordinates lied and are now felons to cover up nothing at all. No Russians had anything to do with Trump's campaign in 2016. There were no contacts contacts whatsoever, do I have that right?

Nor did Russia try to help Trump in any way. That's a deep state lie crafted to damage DJT.

But even if they were, according to you there would be no valid basis for US intel to investigate, right?


If the Trump campaign was in fact approached by “Russian agents” why do the FBI forge documents presented to the FISC to obtain a FISA warrant?I'm unaware of any such fact. What documents were forged?

TSA
02-22-2020, 11:29 AM
So then you're saying that if a foreign country were trying to help Bernie Sanders -- which we know from WaPo's story yesterday -- there would be no valid basis for US intel to open an investigation?

Clearly, Trump subordinates lied and are now felons to cover up nothing at all. No Russians had anything to do with Trump's campaign in 2016. There were no contacts contacts whatsoever, do I have that right?

Nor did Russia try to help Trump in any way. That's a deep state lie crafted to damage DJT.

But even if they were, according to you there would be no valid basis for US intel to investigate, right?

I'm unaware of any such fact. What documents were forged?

Stop dodging. Which Russian agents approached the Trump campaign?

And are you really trying to play stupid about Clinesmith altering the email from the CIA to get the FISA renewal?

Spurs Homer
02-22-2020, 11:49 AM
Lol

comrade TSA desperately trying to lure unsuspecting posters into the rabbit holes of propaganda


all which end up in the “alternative facts which favor mother russia” category

lololol

DarrinS
02-22-2020, 11:55 AM
DarrinS:

If some foreign country were trying to help Bernie, and US intel in response ran a US asset at him or his subordinates to see what would happen, would you still be bitching so hard?


Who's bitching? The way they approached Bernie with this is how they should've approached Trump campaign in 2016. But those dumbasses got duped by the dossier.

Thread
02-22-2020, 01:13 PM
Who's bitching? The way they approached Bernie with this is how they should've approached Trump campaign in 2016. But those dumbasses got duped by the dossier.

...precisely, falling & tripping over each other in the White House vestibule so they could see the look on Trump's brand spanking new Presidential kisser when they giggled out the goods..."Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mr. President, sir, they said you liked being...well, Mr. President, sir, urinated on, Mr. President, sir."...

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 01:27 PM
Stop dodging. Which Russian agents approached the Trump campaign?I never claimed any did. I was talking about Bernie's campaign.


And are you really trying to play stupid about Clinesmith altering the email from the CIA to get the FISA renewal?I wasn't sure what you were talking about, did Horowitz conclude that the FISA applications were invalid and that the FBI had no good faith basis to investigate?

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 01:28 PM
Who's bitching? The way they approached Bernie with this is how they should've approached Trump campaign in 2016. But those dumbasses got duped by the dossier.You've been flogging the dodgy dossier narrative FOR YEARS. Pretending it's the sole evidence relied on is dishonest.

How can you be so certain what US intel is or isn't doing right now re: foreign attempts to help Bernie?

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 01:36 PM
TSA and DarrinS so far in the tank for Trump that they refuse weigh in on whether an investigation of a foreign attempt to help Bernie's campaign would be justified, in principle.

The answer is easy: yes.

Ball Buster
02-22-2020, 01:42 PM
Why not?

I was just joking. Israel doesn’t try to influence elections. Neither does the US.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190606-israels-interference-in-2016-us-election-to-be-probed-by-senators/

Spurs Homer
02-22-2020, 01:48 PM
Who's bitching? The way they approached Bernie with this is how they should've approached Trump campaign in 2016. But those dumbasses got duped by the dossier.

why are you posting propaganda?

is it deliberate or are you misinformed?

both 2016 campaigns were informed and warned about foreign actors interfering by the FBI...
hrc campaign were not approached...

trump team was approached and they welcomed it...

”russia if you are listening...”

jr trump : “if its what you say it is- I love it - lets meet!”

then later when questioned - they denied, lied, obfuscated, and continued their collusion


manafort and gates delivered polling data and hrc stolen files to a russian intel agent and gates testified under oath


why are you still posting russian propaganda when the facts cannot be changed?

in 4 years - trump never did what it took bernie two sentences to do?

”putin- stop interfering and when I am president- I will make sure you are stopped”


why?


(cue the memes and gifs and more russian propaganda)

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 01:48 PM
I was just joking. Israel doesn’t try to influence elections. Neither does the US.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190606-israels-interference-in-2016-us-election-to-be-probed-by-senators/
What's your point?

Even if one grants that everyone does it, that isn't an argument for complacency, quite the reverse.

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 01:50 PM
Question pending, DarrinS and TSA:

Is it proper for the US to investigate foreign attempts to influence US elections?

Spurs Homer
02-22-2020, 01:50 PM
What's your point?

Even if one grants that everyone does it, that isn't an argument for complacency, quite the reverse.

direct from moscow: whataboutism


they all co-opted the tactic once dear leader began using those tactics...

Spurs Homer
02-22-2020, 01:51 PM
Question pending, DarrinS (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2042) and TSA (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7640):

Is it proper for the US to investigate foreign attempts to influence US elections?


didnt you see bernie defending russia and attacking the intel agencies?

the nerve of usa intel to try and protect the usa!

Ball Buster
02-22-2020, 01:55 PM
What's your point?

Even if one grants that everyone does it, that isn't an argument for complacency, quite the reverse.

People in the Dem party are ready to start world war 3 over this Russian hacking scare. There’s not really any evidence the Russians swayed the 2016 election.

Its madness. That’s my point.

Thread
02-22-2020, 02:05 PM
People in the Dem party are ready to start world war 3 over this Russian hacking scare. There’s not really any evidence the Russians swayed the 2016 election.

Its madness. That’s my point.

Because the Dem's put Sanders on-the-spot with Russia. Sure, (They) included Trump, but, that was just to get the story inside the wire. (They) never thought they'd have to deal with Sanders, especially this fucking early on, but, Biden has crapped out & they ain't waitin' till it's too late, or, even close to too late...they're starting now...they're spotting the [Super Delegates] in Milwaukee for the death knell.

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 02:09 PM
Turkey belongs in this conversation, not only re:Flynn, but also. Barr/Trump/Halkbank. DarrinS
TSA

What do y'all think of Flynn advising Trump on NATSEC while being in the pay of Turkey, undisclosed?

What do you think was the rationale for Barr and Trump pushing for lenience for Halkbank?


Barr personally spearheaded an effort last year to negotiate a settlement with the bank that would have allowed it to sidestep an indictment after Turkey's President, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, pressed Trump in a bid to avoid charges. https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/15/politics/william-barr-roger-stone-prosecutors-outrage/index.html



Did it strike either of you as unusual that Trump let Erdogan screen anti-Kurd propaganda in the West Wing?

Trump's submissiveness to Turkey raises eyebrows, one wonders whether it might have anything to do with Turkey already having compromised Mike Flynn, or Trump's business interests in Turkey.

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 02:13 PM
People in the Dem party are ready to start world war 3 over this Russian hacking scare. There’s not really any evidence the Russians swayed the 2016 election.

Its madness. That’s my point.Very few people in this thread claim that so-called Russian meddling moved the needle decisively for Trump -- I certainly don't -- so that's a red herring.

Your world war 3 comment is pure hyperbole. Approximatwly zero Democrats are stumping for war with Russia.

ChumpDumper
02-22-2020, 02:23 PM
Stop dodging. Which Russian agents approached the Trump campaign?Natalia Veselnitskaya. et.al.


Who's bitching?You.


The way they approached Bernie with this is how they should've approached Trump campaign in 2016.They were approached initially to tell the campaign to inform them of any attempts by foreign governments to influence the election. Did they tell the FBI?

spurraider21
02-22-2020, 02:57 PM
Who's bitching? The way they approached Bernie with this is how they should've approached Trump campaign in 2016. But those dumbasses got duped by the dossier.
The investigation started before the dossier, darrin. It started because of papadopolous. They were investigating whether there was a conspiracy. Very different than what is happening with Sanders.

Trumps campaign was separately briefed in the summer about the potential of Russians spying or infiltrating his campaign and he was instructed to report any suspicious overtures to their campaign. Trump tower meeting may have been a good thing to disclose, for starters

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 03:54 PM
Putting political pressure on intel agencies has drawbacks:

1230847681469173760

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 04:48 PM
TSA and DarrinS so far in the tank for Trump that they refuse weigh in on whether an investigation of a foreign attempt to help Bernie's campaign would be justified, in principle.

The answer is easy: yes.Not easy for TSA and DarrinS, because the answer would be politically inconvenient for them

Partisan expedience precedes national interest for these guys approximately 100% of the time.

DarrinS
02-22-2020, 05:36 PM
Barr and Wray would BOTH need to sign off on any CI investigation of any 2020 presidential campaigns. That's a good thing.

Crossfire Hurricane and subsequent FISA abuse are stains on the FBI. Hopefully, director Wray will make the changes necessary to prevent this in the future.

ElNono
02-22-2020, 05:37 PM
Which Russian agents approached the Trump campaign?

Maria Butina certainly tried/did.

ChumpDumper
02-22-2020, 05:40 PM
Barr and Wray would BOTH need to sign off on any CI investigation of any 2020 presidential campaigns. That's a good thing.

Crossfire Hurricane and subsequent FISA abuse are stains on the FBI. Hopefully, director Wray will make the changes necessary to prevent this in the future.:lol Darrin is very selective about when he clutches his pearls.

boutons_deux
02-22-2020, 05:58 PM
Maria Butina certainly tried/did.

Natalia Veselnitskaya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Veselnitskaya), a Russian lawyer best known in the United States for lobbying against the Magnitsky Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnitsky_Act).

Rinat Akhmetshin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinat_Akhmetshin), a Russian-American lobbyist and former Soviet counterintelligence officer suspected of "having ongoing ties to Russian Intelligence",

... the "I Love It" DJT JR and the infamous "Trump Tower Meeting"

Then there all the other Trash mafiosos who forgot, lied, obstructed about their untold meetings, connectons with Russians.

Manfort, Flynn, Page, Stone, and Ross, Cyprus banker to Russian oligarchs' $Bs and investor in Russian businesses.

So many of Trash's mafioso had so many contacts with Russians. And according to ST Trash fellators, it was all 100% innocent.

Chris
02-22-2020, 09:15 PM
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1231398371207806976?s=19

Spurs Homer
02-22-2020, 09:26 PM
Natalia Veselnitskaya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Veselnitskaya), a Russian lawyer best known in the United States for lobbying against the Magnitsky Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnitsky_Act).

Rinat Akhmetshin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinat_Akhmetshin), a Russian-American lobbyist and former Soviet counterintelligence officer suspected of "having ongoing ties to Russian Intelligence",

... the "I Love It" DJT JR and the infamous "Trump Tower Meeting"

Then there all the other Trash mafiosos who forgot, lied, obstructed about their untold meetings, connectons with Russians.

Manfort, Flynn, Page, Stone, and Ross, Cyprus banker to Russian oligarchs' $Bs and investor in Russian businesses.

So many of Trash's mafioso had so many contacts with Russians. And according to ST Trash fellators, it was all 100% innocent.







dont forget erik prince holding meetings in the seychelle islands

the 12 russian cyberfucks

that prick running trumps cyber campaign out of san antonio

deutsche bank russians


etc...

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 09:58 PM
Barr and Wray would BOTH need to sign off on any CI investigation of any 2020 presidential campaigns. That's a good thing.

Crossfire Hurricane and subsequent FISA abuse are stains on the FBI. Hopefully, director Wray will make the changes necessary to prevent this in the future.Like I said, you're afraid to give a straight answer.

boutons_deux
02-22-2020, 10:06 PM
"Barr and Wray would BOTH need to sign off on any CI investigation of any 2020 presidential campaigns."

Barr has effectively he will block ALL investigations of just about anybody, except if an investigation hurts the Dems and/or helps Trash.

Wray need not apply. If he wants an investigation and Barr doesn't, then no investigation.

DarrinS
02-22-2020, 10:44 PM
"Barr and Wray would BOTH need to sign off on any CI investigation of any 2020 presidential campaigns."

Barr has effectively he will block ALL investigations of just about anybody, except it the investigation hurt the Dems and/or helped Trash.

Wray need not apply. If he wants an investigation and Barr doesn't, then no investigation.



If this is the case, expect a Crossfire Bernicaine investigation.

Won't happen.

Winehole23
02-22-2020, 10:52 PM
If this is the case, expect a Crossfire Bernicaine investigation.

Won't happen.Why shouldn't the DOJ investigate foreign attempts to help Bernie?

What's your take on that?

DarrinS
02-22-2020, 10:59 PM
Why shouldn't the DOJ investigate foreign attempts to help Bernie?

What's your take on that?


Investigate the Russians. No need to run a wacky investigation to infiltrate his campaign.

ChumpDumper
02-22-2020, 11:27 PM
Investigate the Russians. No need to run a wacky investigation to infiltrate his campaign.What if members of Bernie's campaign contacted and attempted to collude with them?

boutons_deux
02-22-2020, 11:28 PM
Why shouldn't the DOJ investigate foreign attempts to help Bernie?

What's your take on that?


Trump warns Democrats about Russia helping Sanders ahead of Nevada vote (https://theweek.com/speedreads/897520/trump-warns-democrats-about-russia-helping-sanders-ahead-nevada-vote)


https://theweek.com/speedreads/897520/trump-warns-democrats-about-russia-helping-sanders-ahead-nevada-vote (https://theweek.com/speedreads/897520/trump-warns-democrats-about-russia-helping-sanders-ahead-nevada-vote)

DarrinS
02-22-2020, 11:41 PM
What if members of Bernie's campaign contacted and attempted to collude with them?

^stuck on stupid

ChumpDumper
02-22-2020, 11:43 PM
^stuck on stupidYou didn't answer the question.

What if members of Bernie's campaign contacted and attempted to collude with them?

Would that merit an investigation of the campaign?

Yes or no.

DarrinS
02-22-2020, 11:58 PM
You didn't answer the question.

What if members of Bernie's campaign contacted and attempted to collude with them?

Would that merit an investigation of the campaign?

Yes or no.


If some rando in Bernie's campaign says something in a bar that is public knowledge about Russian interference, then definitely no.

DarrinS
02-22-2020, 11:58 PM
Lol, attempting to collude.

Winehole23
02-23-2020, 12:02 AM
You didn't answer the question.

What if members of Bernie's campaign contacted and attempted to collude with them?

Would that merit an investigation of the campaign?

Yes or no.What was it Veselnitskaya offered to do?

Honest question, I don't recall the blow by blow.

ChumpDumper
02-23-2020, 12:05 AM
If some rando in Bernie's campaign says something in a bar that is public knowledge about Russian interference, then definitely no.How about the campaign manager?

Would that merit an investigation of the campaign?

boutons_deux
02-23-2020, 12:06 AM
The Russian Trolls’ Next Favorite Candidate

Americans don’t need Russia’s polarizing influence operations. They are plenty good enough at dividing themselves.

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/sfiVXlLrMJlrWxUFsF9ssmhciiw=/720x405/media/img/mt/2020/02/0220_Gilsinan_Martin_Russia2020Election/original.jpg

In 2016, the Kremlin invested heavily in creating memes and Facebook ads designed to stoke Americans’ distrust of the electoral system and one another.

Now, after nearly four years under a president whose divisive rhetoric and policies have inflamed voter anger on issues such as race, inequality, and his own conduct,

the Russian government is still interfering, but it doesn’t need to do much creative work anymore.

The taco-truck video wasn’t fabricated in some St. Petersburg workshop. It was a real video of a real incident, made in America—and

all Russia had to do was help it spread with its Twitter trolls.

Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, are both polarizing figures—and they’re both candidates Russian trolls sought to promote in 2016, as Special Counsel Robert Mueller found (https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download).

professor who has studied Russian information operations, told me,

“Systems like this don’t tend to stop simply because their reason for being no longer exists.

They find new reasons for being.”

In this case, building on their 2016 successes and worsening divisions in the United States.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/02/russia-trump-bernie-sanders-election-interference/606703/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/02/russia-trump-bernie-sanders-election-interference/606703/)

Winehole23
02-23-2020, 12:07 AM
How about the campaign manager?

Would that merit an investigation of the campaign?NATSEC advisor on Turkey's payroll?

boutons_deux
02-23-2020, 12:11 AM
Donald J. Trump
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)Democrats in the Great State of Nevada

(Which, because of the Economy, Jobs, the Military & Vets, I will win in November), :lol :lol

be careful of Russia, Russia, Russia.

According to Corrupt politician Adam “Shifty” Schiff,

they are pushing for Crazy Bernie Sanders to win. Vote!

9:18 AM - Feb 22, 2020 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1231236777744257024)

ChumpDumper
02-23-2020, 12:14 AM
What was it Veselnitskaya offered to do?

Honest question, I don't recall the blow by blow.The documents “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,” read the email, written by a trusted intermediary, who added, “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

https://www.nny360.com/news/russian-dirt-on-clinton-i-love-it-donald-trump-jr/article_4586b26d-4ed1-51e1-b854-05876acb2826.html

DarrinS
02-23-2020, 12:21 AM
Russiagate bitter clingers :lol

You got strung along for three years.

Still doubling down. Sad

ChumpDumper
02-23-2020, 12:22 AM
Russiagate bitter clingers :lol

You got strung along for three years.

Still doubling down. SadIt's a simple hypothetical question, Darrin.

If you're afraid to answer, just say so.

Wouldn't be the first time.

How about the campaign manager?

Would that merit an investigation of the campaign?

Winehole23
02-23-2020, 12:24 AM
The documents “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,” read the email, written by a trusted intermediary, who added, “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

https://www.nny360.com/news/russian-dirt-on-clinton-i-love-it-donald-trump-jr/article_4586b26d-4ed1-51e1-b854-05876acb2826.htmlThanks.

What's the standard deflection here?

ChumpDumper
02-23-2020, 12:26 AM
Thanks.

What's the standard deflection here?Darrin has devolved to angry name calling almost instantly.

Winehole23
02-23-2020, 12:26 AM
Russiagate bitter clingers :lol

You got strung along for three years.

Still doubling down. SadChumpDumper isn't stipulating collusion. He's just asking if that's a valid basis for US authorities to investigate.

If not, why not?

DarrinS
02-23-2020, 12:52 AM
Going full retard


1231349191470993408

ChumpDumper
02-23-2020, 12:53 AM
Going full retard


1231349191470993408You got over birtherism just fine tho.

Spurtacular
02-23-2020, 12:55 AM
Chump in his comfort thread as Bernie takes out his hopes and dreams. :lol

DarrinS
02-23-2020, 01:10 AM
Chump in his comfort thread as Bernie takes out his hopes and dreams. :lol

:lmao

ChumpDumper
02-23-2020, 01:18 AM
:lmao:lol brave Darrin ran away

Spurtacular
02-23-2020, 01:26 AM
:lol brave Darrin ran away

The irony is lost on you, neutered chump.

DarrinS
02-23-2020, 01:53 AM
:lol brave Darrin ran away

I'm here. Do You need therapy?

ChumpDumper
02-23-2020, 02:00 AM
I'm here. Do You need therapy?I'd like it if you answered my question you ran away from.

boutons_deux
02-23-2020, 12:36 PM
Responding to news of Russian interference,

Trump sends chilling message to U.S. intelligence community

Intelligence officers pride themselves as

apolitical fact-finders who follow the rule of “speak truth to power.”

But President Trump has tacked on a new coda: “Do so at your peril.”

Trump has reminded members of the intelligence community that he views the information they bring him through a deeply personal lens.

Trump responded not by rejecting Russia’s interference or pressing his officials to work harder to deter it,

but by telling Maguire and another senior career intelligence official present that they were being “played,”

Maguire was told to vacate his office at the DNI’s headquarters in Virginia by 10 a.m. the next morning,

"In this administration, good men and women don’t last long,”

“Joe was dismissed for doing his job: overseeing the dissemination of intelligence to elected officials who needed that information to do their jobs,”

“Since the day Trump took office,

we’ve had a president who has made clear to everyone around him that

if you do things he doesn’t like, there are going to be swift and public consequences,”

Trump’s violent reactions could encourage his advisers to withhold unsettling information.

There is talk of “trying to hide” stuff

“Some people believe

the president can’t be trusted with this politically sensitive information anymore. :lol anymore? :lol

There’s a sense that he’s installing his guy [Grenell] and

they’re going to come in and try to look for stuff, and

they’re not trustworthy.”

Trump intends to exert more political control over the intelligence community.

Trump “has installed a new acting DNI to protect himself and

interfere politically in the crucial work of the intelligence community,

leaving our elections more vulnerable to foreign interference than ever.” :lol Pootin LMFAO

Trump loyalist, Kash Patel, into a senior advisory position at the intelligence director’s office further cemented that impression.

Patel, a former aide to Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) :lol ... has infuriated CIA and FBI personnel over

his efforts to prove a conspiracy in the intelligence community to bring down the president by investigating his campaign’s possible ties to Russia in 2016.

acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney not to discuss the subject with the president because

it would make him angry, :lol

“The entire executive branch is spooked right now because election interference in his mind is about him,” :lol mind? :lol

“So you can’t do anything that isn’t essentially under the radar, or you might end up blowing up the effort.”

on North Korea or Russia, he will not accept their facts if they are contrary to his intentions.

Trump is purging the ranks of advisers he believes won’t strongly defend him.

Johnny McEntee ... has asked agencies to tell him about appointees (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/were-cleaning-it-out-trump-embarks-on-expansive-search-for-disloyalty-as-administration-wide-purge-escalates/2020/02/21/870e6c56-54c1-11ea-b119-4faabac6674f_story.html?tid=lk_inline_manual_61&itid=lk_inline_manual_61) who are opposed to the president,

“We want bad people out of our government!” :lol Then Trash, you should resign

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/responding-to-news-of-russian-interference-trump-sends-chilling-message-to-us-intelligence/2020/02/22/1c63faec-5502-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

Winehole23
02-23-2020, 12:44 PM
I'd like it if you answered my question you ran away from.DarrinS and TSA duck questions they can't answer to suit their priors. So they won't admit there's an intrinsic NATSEC interest in investigating foreign agents who approach candidates for high office.

Winehole23
02-23-2020, 02:04 PM
Trump blames Schiff for the Sanders/Russia leak.

Another chapter in in the long book of Trumpian confession via accusation?

1231642377313488899

Thread
02-23-2020, 02:13 PM
Trump blames Schiff for the Sanders/Russia leak.

Another chapter in in the long book of Trumpian confession via accusation?

1231642377313488899

& that's precisely what I said yesterday. (They) only included Trump in the materiel to grease it's way thru, but, it was a direct target of Bernie.

Me, I said it first.

Winehole23
02-23-2020, 02:18 PM
& that's precisely what I said yesterday. (They) only included Trump in the materiel to grease it's way thru, but, it was a direct target of Bernie.

Me, I said it first.Trump also ran his NATSEC advisor O'Brien out on cable to badmouth Sanders.

US officials attacking the President's opponents good now.

Ball Buster
02-23-2020, 02:22 PM
Kinda fits in here..

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1231620241731522562?s=21

Winehole23
02-23-2020, 02:48 PM
Kinda fits in here..

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1231620241731522562?s=21One-dimensional politics, the Russkies have fixed both sides!

Thread
02-23-2020, 02:53 PM
Trump also ran his NATSEC advisor O'Brien out on cable to badmouth Sanders.

US officials attacking the President's opponents good now.

Always has been (good).

The rules have long ago been suspended, Winester. They'll be reinstated immediately after Trump leaves office & the upset apple cart is righted & put back into apple pie order.

Winehole23
02-23-2020, 03:09 PM
Always has been (good).

The rules have long ago been suspended, Winester. They'll be reinstated immediately after Trump leaves office & the upset apple cart is righted & put back into apple pie order.Give me a couple of examples.of what you're talking about, pre-Trump.

Thread
02-23-2020, 03:55 PM
Give me a couple of examples.of what you're talking about, pre-Trump.

It isn't pre-Trump...it's since Trump...when the gloves came off..."you" lied, cheated and stole to overthrow Trump believing heartily that he wouldn't lie, cheat and steal to retain his Presidency because "he's President, he wouldn't dare." You were wrong. Trump can lie, cheat and steal with the best of 'em. All he needed was an excuse...i.e., his overthrow.

Winehole23
02-23-2020, 04:00 PM
It isn't pre-Trump...it's since Trump...when the gloves came off..."you" lied, cheated and stole to overthrow Trump believing heartily that he wouldn't lie, cheat and steal to retain his Presidency because "he's President, he wouldn't dare." You were wrong. Trump can lie, cheat and steal with the best of 'em. All he needed was an excuse...i.e., his overthrow.Motherfuck em before they motherfuck you, even using the levers of power is the ethos, then?

Thread
02-23-2020, 05:27 PM
Motherfuck em before they motherfuck you, even using the levers of power is the ethos, then?

Oh, absolutely, Winester. (He) wanted to do the right thing...that's why the poor thing left all those Clinton/Bush/Obama appointees at their desks. "They're all Americans, they'll soldier, they won't hurt me." & "we" couldn't tell him otherwise. He had to be shown---he had to be harmed---he had to suffer. & now he knows.

He's wild now, he's blood drunk...he ain't gonna wait for a 2nd term to get evens. No way. & I don't blame him. He will harangue his enemies till the day he dies when he'll entrust that legacy to those 2 boys...

- "Boys, avenge me!"

- Harry Dean Stanton - "Red Dawn"

Ball Buster
02-23-2020, 07:42 PM
https://twitter.com/cancel_sam/status/1231696725708083204?s=21

boutons_deux
02-24-2020, 09:07 AM
How autocrat Trash self-exonerates, so his 1000s LIES aggrandizing himself and brutalizing, slandering others will be the only record.

Trump accused of hiding Russia documents until they can be destroyed

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/trumprussians.jpg


coming under increasing fire from historians and activists for keeping documents about his meetings with foreign leaders — including Russian officials — and immigration-related documents out of the public eye until they can be destroyed.

, “Historians and activists charge that the White House has

failed to keep notes of the president’s meetings with foreign leaders,

including with Russian President Vladimir Putin, and that other papers,

including records of alleged abuses of undocumented immigrants, could be destroyed,” before adding,

“Immigration activists fear that records relating to the treatment of undocumented immigrants —

including detainee deaths, complaints about medical conditions and alleged sexual assault and abuse of detainees —
could be destroyed by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).”

“Historians are fighting on another front with the Trump administration:

over the preservation or, in some cases, the creation of presidential records.

President Trump is reportedly averse to having note-takers present at his meetings with foreign leaders and

is said to have torn up some notes (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-papers-filing-system-635164), in violation of the Presidential Records Act (https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html).”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/02/mind-boggling-trump-accused-of-hiding-russia-documents-until-they-can-be-destroyed/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3794 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/02/mind-boggling-trump-accused-of-hiding-russia-documents-until-they-can-be-destroyed/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3794)

Winehole23
02-24-2020, 09:12 AM
Oh, absolutely, Winester. (He) wanted to do the right thing...that's why the poor thing left all those Clinton/Bush/Obama appointees at their desks. "They're all Americans, they'll soldier, they won't hurt me." & "we" couldn't tell him otherwise. He had to be shown---he had to be harmed---he had to suffer. & now he knows.

He's wild now, he's blood drunk...he ain't gonna wait for a 2nd term to get evens. No way. & I don't blame him. He will harangue his enemies till the day he dies when he'll entrust that legacy to those 2 boys...

- "Boys, avenge me!"

- Harry Dean Stanton - "Red Dawn"Your narrative that Trump was honorable and pure until the Dems and the DEEP STATE screwed him is hilarious.

Thread
02-24-2020, 11:50 AM
Your narrative that Trump was honorable and pure until the Dems and the DEEP STATE screwed him is hilarious.

I never implied he was (honorable and pure) ever. He worked the margins like anybody does. But, once he recognized DEEP STATE (and the effects on him) he left the margins forever more.

DMC
02-24-2020, 01:27 PM
Why is it okay to be racist against Russians?

Winehole23
02-24-2020, 02:41 PM
Why is it okay to be racist against Russians?It's not.

Winehole23
02-24-2020, 02:42 PM
I never implied he was (honorable and pure) ever. He worked the margins like anybody does. But, once he recognized DEEP STATE (and the effects on him) he left the margins forever more.Clearly, mean liberals are to blame for everything.

spurraider21
02-24-2020, 02:55 PM
Why is it okay to be racist against Russians?


It's not.
:lol

TSA
02-24-2020, 08:58 PM
Declassified FBI memos undercut Mueller team claims that Papadopoulos hindered Russia probe

According to Zelinksy, Rhee, and Goldstein’s August 17, 2018 sentencing memo filed with U.S. District Judge Randolph D. Moss, “the defendant’s false statements were intended to harm the investigation, and did so.” Papadopoulos’ “lies negatively affected the FBI’s Russia investigation," they argued, "and prevented the FBI from effectively identifying and confronting witnesses in a timely fashion.”

The FBI interview memos, however, paint a far different picture. They show, for example, that Papadopoulos expressed his willingness to participate actively in helping the bureau locate Mifsud personally even before Feb. 10, 2017.

In a Feb. 1, 2017 interview, for instance, Papadopoulos is quoted as telling agents he “could potentially meet with Mifsud” during a planned trip to London. This offer was never mentioned in the two court documents filed by Zelinsky, Rhee, and Goldstein.

In the same interview, Papadopoulos told the FBI that Mifsud “had recently reached out to him,” and “indicated that he may be traveling to Washington, DC in February 2017.”

Similarly, in his Feb. 10, 2017, interview with the FBI, Papadopoulos “provided that Mifsud recently reached out to him via email, and advised that he was in Washington, DC at the time of this interview.” This too was omitted from the plea agreement and the sentencing memo.

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/declassified-fbi-memos-undercut-mueller-team-claims-papadopoulos-hindered

ChumpDumper
02-24-2020, 09:09 PM
Declassified FBI memos undercut Mueller team claims that Papadopoulos hindered Russia probe

According to Zelinksy, Rhee, and Goldstein’s August 17, 2018 sentencing memo filed with U.S. District Judge Randolph D. Moss, “the defendant’s false statements were intended to harm the investigation, and did so.” Papadopoulos’ “lies negatively affected the FBI’s Russia investigation," they argued, "and prevented the FBI from effectively identifying and confronting witnesses in a timely fashion.”

The FBI interview memos, however, paint a far different picture. They show, for example, that Papadopoulos expressed his willingness to participate actively in helping the bureau locate Mifsud personally even before Feb. 10, 2017.

In a Feb. 1, 2017 interview, for instance, Papadopoulos is quoted as telling agents he “could potentially meet with Mifsud” during a planned trip to London. This offer was never mentioned in the two court documents filed by Zelinsky, Rhee, and Goldstein.

In the same interview, Papadopoulos told the FBI that Mifsud “had recently reached out to him,” and “indicated that he may be traveling to Washington, DC in February 2017.”

Similarly, in his Feb. 10, 2017, interview with the FBI, Papadopoulos “provided that Mifsud recently reached out to him via email, and advised that he was in Washington, DC at the time of this interview.” This too was omitted from the plea agreement and the sentencing memo.

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/declassified-fbi-memos-undercut-mueller-team-claims-papadopoulos-hindered:lol pleaded guilty to a felony

TSA
02-24-2020, 09:17 PM
Declassified FBI memos undercut Mueller team claims that Papadopoulos hindered Russia probe

According to Zelinksy, Rhee, and Goldstein’s August 17, 2018 sentencing memo filed with U.S. District Judge Randolph D. Moss, “the defendant’s false statements were intended to harm the investigation, and did so.” Papadopoulos’ “lies negatively affected the FBI’s Russia investigation," they argued, "and prevented the FBI from effectively identifying and confronting witnesses in a timely fashion.”

The FBI interview memos, however, paint a far different picture. They show, for example, that Papadopoulos expressed his willingness to participate actively in helping the bureau locate Mifsud personally even before Feb. 10, 2017.

In a Feb. 1, 2017 interview, for instance, Papadopoulos is quoted as telling agents he “could potentially meet with Mifsud” during a planned trip to London. This offer was never mentioned in the two court documents filed by Zelinsky, Rhee, and Goldstein.

In the same interview, Papadopoulos told the FBI that Mifsud “had recently reached out to him,” and “indicated that he may be traveling to Washington, DC in February 2017.”

Similarly, in his Feb. 10, 2017, interview with the FBI, Papadopoulos “provided that Mifsud recently reached out to him via email, and advised that he was in Washington, DC at the time of this interview.” This too was omitted from the plea agreement and the sentencing memo.

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/declassified-fbi-memos-undercut-mueller-team-claims-papadopoulos-hindered


Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., the former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, told Just the News that his team has been scouring recent documents released by the FBI, including witness reports known as 302s, and found glaring evidence that contradicts claims the Mueller team made to courts and Congress.

"We're now going through these 302s, and we're going to be making criminal referrals on the Mueller dossier team, the people that put this Mueller report together," Nunes said during an interview on the John Solomon Reports podcast set to air on Tuesday.

ChumpDumper
02-24-2020, 09:19 PM
J:lolhn S:loll:lolm:loln Rep:lolrts

Rubes never learn.

ElNono
02-25-2020, 12:33 AM
Beats suing Devin Nunes's cow

Thread
02-25-2020, 10:11 AM
Clearly, mean liberals are to blame for everything.

It opened a battle front for him, yes. He immediately built the ramparts, gathered (us) & headed behind said ramparts.

That was "your" decision. "Do we let him be President, or, do we attempt to over throw him?" You never even hesitated.

Winehole23
02-25-2020, 10:19 AM
lol

RandomGuy
02-25-2020, 11:51 AM
Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., the former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, told Just the News that his team has been scouring recent documents released by the FBI, including witness reports known as 302s, and found glaring evidence that contradicts claims the Mueller team made to courts and Congress.

"We're now going through these 302s, and we're going to be making criminal referrals on the Mueller dossier team, the people that put this Mueller report together," Nunes said during an interview on the John Solomon Reports podcast set to air on Tuesday.

:rollin Devin "Sue That Cow" Nunes

boutons_deux
02-25-2020, 06:40 PM
Zuck says he won't stop foreigners from queering the elections

https://media.newyorker.com/cartoons/5e553abc2c143c0008c98a35/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/A23936.jpg

Chris
03-04-2020, 07:24 PM
https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1235264792002269185?s=19

TSA holy shit :lol

boutons_deux
03-08-2020, 08:08 AM
Russian Election Trolling Becoming Subtler, Tougher To Detect

A cache of Instagram posts captured by researchers showed that the Russians were "better at impersonating candidates" and that influence-mongers "have moved away from creating their own fake advocacy groups to mimicking and appropriating the names of actual American groups,"

identified 32 Instagram accounts they said appeared to be linked to Russia's now-infamous Internet Research Agency, of which 31 later were confirmed to be IRA-linked by an analysis commissioned by Facebook, which owns Instagram.

interference activity endures at a steady state.

the efforts targeting the 2020 vote continue many of the trends exhibited earlier.

Russian influence operations are aimed at sowing chaos and amplifying division as much as bringing about a specific political result

the intent to divide them or convince them not to vote,

"The IRA is well-versed enough in the history and culture of our politics to exploit sharp political divisions already existing in our society," Kim wrote.

"American nationalism/patriotism, immigration, gun control and LGBT issues were the top five issues frequently discussed in the IRA's campaigns."

Veterans, working-class whites in rural areas and nonwhites, "especially African Americans," also were especially targeted,

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/05/812497423/report-russian-election-trolling-becoming-subtler-tougher-to-detect?utm_source=npr_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20200308&utm_term=4446590&utm_campaign=best-of-npr&utm_id=10200903&orgid= (https://www.npr.org/2020/03/05/812497423/report-russian-election-trolling-becoming-subtler-tougher-to-detect?utm_source=npr_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20200308&utm_term=4446590&utm_campaign=best-of-npr&utm_id=10200903&orgid=)

:lol Russians targeting your rightwingnut dumbfucks because of your deep and widespread ignorance and gullibility! :lol

Trash and his mafiya and Repugs:

"Russia, if you are hacking ..." ("we "Love It" and will do nothing to stop you")

"and we appreciate all the hacking you did to elect us in 2016"

boutons_deux
03-08-2020, 08:11 AM
How Russia Is Trying To Boost Bernie Sanders' Campaign


https://www.npr.org/2020/03/05/812186614/how-russia-is-trying-to-boost-bernie-sanders-campaign?utm_source=npr_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20200308&utm_term=4446590&utm_campaign=best-of-npr&utm_id=10200903&orgid=

boutons_deux
03-09-2020, 08:50 AM
Pootin refuses OPEC

so SA pumps a bunch

oil price -30% bust

and US oil drillers go bankrupt.

With economies precarious and weakening, Trash's puppetmaster Pootin uses his oil tool to attack USA?

Winehole23
03-09-2020, 09:17 AM
The US shale play needs prices above 40 usd/barrel to turn a profit. This will hit Texas hard.

ChumpDumper
03-09-2020, 07:04 PM
:lmao

1237150012389257217

spurraider21
03-09-2020, 07:08 PM
:lmao

1237150012389257217
papa was running for congress in the same seat cenk uygur ran for :lol

they both lost

Chris
03-11-2020, 03:30 AM
https://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1237526934470283264?s=19

Thread
03-11-2020, 05:21 AM
https://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1237526934470283264?s=19

Can't be bothered by that now...we got us a CORONA PANDEMIC!

ElNono
03-11-2020, 05:32 AM
https://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1237526934470283264?s=19

It hasn't declared any such thing. More spinning, per par.

Spurs Homer
03-11-2020, 09:29 AM
Lol s:cryl:crym:cryn!

TSA
03-11-2020, 10:09 AM
It hasn't declared any such thing. More spinning, per par.

"There is thus little doubt that the government breached its duty of candor to the Court with respect to those applications”-Chief Judge of FISC

How is that spin?

Chris
03-11-2020, 11:43 AM
"There is thus little doubt that the government breached its duty of candor to the Court with respect to those applications”-Chief Judge of FISC

How is that spin?

George is working on googling a response.

Chris
03-16-2020, 02:32 AM
https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1239298515987300352?s=19

weird

ChumpDumper
03-16-2020, 02:40 AM
https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1239298515987300352?s=19

weirdFlynn did not plead guilty to being an agent of Russia nor was he charged with it so there was nothing to exonerate.

ElNono
03-16-2020, 06:32 AM
"There is thus little doubt that the government breached its duty of candor to the Court with respect to those applications”-Chief Judge of FISC

How is that spin?

Lack of candor does not equal misleading. Misleading implies unequivocally stating a false position. Lack of candor implies the opposite, an omission that could be considered dishonest.

I'll save you the followup question: "how are they any different?"

The difference is that omissions can be voluntary or involuntary, so it's much more difficult to prove there was dishonest intent. That's why the IG, while it concluded that the procedure itself was questionable because there were omissions and requires adjustments to deal with such such situations, didn't actually conclude that there was provable dishonesty from the actual involved parties.

On the other hand, if you're accused of misleading, it means you affirmatively lied to the court. Hope the distinction is clear enough.


George is working on googling a response.

lol @ bot thinking everyone else is a bot

ElNono
03-16-2020, 06:34 AM
Was this dude sentenced yet?

boutons_deux
03-16-2020, 07:34 AM
Was this dude sentenced yet?

cancelled until further court notice

TSA
03-16-2020, 10:20 AM
Lack of candor does not equal misleading. Misleading implies unequivocally stating a false position. Lack of candor implies the opposite, an omission that could be considered dishonest.

I'll save you the followup question: "how are they any different?"

The difference is that omissions can be voluntary or involuntary, so it's much more difficult to prove there was dishonest intent. That's why the IG, while it concluded that the procedure itself was questionable because there were omissions and requires adjustments to deal with such such situations, didn't actually conclude that there was provable dishonesty from the actual involved parties.

On the other hand, if you're accused of misleading, it means you affirmatively lied to the court. Hope the distinction is clear enough.



Provable dishonesty


However, when the OGC Attorney subsequently sent the liaison's email to SSA 2 the OGC Attorney altered the liaison's email by inserting the words "not a source" into it, thus making it appear that the liaison had said that Page was "not a source" for the other agency.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

ElNono
03-16-2020, 04:32 PM
https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

Except that's the description of one of the items he found out about, not the conclusion. The conclusion reads (page 376):

We also found the quantity of omissions and inaccuracies in the applications and the obvious errors in the Woods Procedures deeply concerning. Although we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct on the part of the case agents who assisted 01 in preparing the applications, or the agents and supervisors who performed the Woods Procedures, we also did not receive satisfactory explanations for the errors or missing information.

Ball Buster
03-16-2020, 06:46 PM
:lol

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1239683997422292992?s=21

TSA
03-16-2020, 06:47 PM
Except that's the description of one of the items he found out about, not the conclusion. The conclusion reads (page 376):

We also found the quantity of omissions and inaccuracies in the applications and the obvious errors in the Woods Procedures deeply concerning. Although we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct on the part of the case agents who assisted 01 in preparing the applications, or the agents and supervisors who performed the Woods Procedures, we also did not receive satisfactory explanations for the errors or missing information.

Except the IG did conclude there was provable dishonesty as I just pointed out concerning the altering of the email.

TSA
03-16-2020, 06:48 PM
:lol

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1239683997422292992?s=21

https://mobile.twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1239689052565180418

TSA
03-16-2020, 06:49 PM
:lol Mueller

spurraider21
03-16-2020, 06:54 PM
:lol

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1239683997422292992?s=21
why is that funny?

ChumpDumper
03-16-2020, 06:56 PM
why is that funny?Because they root against the US, I guess.

spurraider21
03-16-2020, 06:57 PM
i mean, if you actually read the motion, it's not particularly flattering for Concord... and i dont know why you would be cheering for concord anyway

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6811273-200316-Concord-Motion-to-Dismiss.html

Ball Buster
03-16-2020, 07:15 PM
why is that funny?

Because Dems keep citing the Mueller report as evidence of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

There was never any evidence for it.

:lol Rubes...

Chris
03-16-2020, 07:18 PM
why is that funny?


Because they root against the US, I guess.

LOL

Ball Buster
03-16-2020, 07:20 PM
Because they root against the US, I guess.

How about going after the President for things he actually did wrong, instead of making shit up. :tu

spurraider21
03-16-2020, 07:33 PM
Because Dems keep citing the Mueller report as evidence of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

There was never any evidence for it.

:lol Rubes...
why do you think the motion you posted about disproves russian interference?

ChumpDumper
03-16-2020, 07:34 PM
why do you think the motion you posted about disproves russian interference?Because he's a rube rooting against the US.

ElNono
03-16-2020, 09:18 PM
:lol

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1239683997422292992?s=21


https://mobile.twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1239689052565180418

I was just reading about this. The prosecutor consensus is that the US simply does not have the power to mandate a foreign entity to comply with Court decisions, and thus anything the Court decides will not stick.

We'll see what the judge thinks about this.

ElNono
03-16-2020, 09:22 PM
Except the IG did conclude there was provable dishonesty as I just pointed out concerning the altering of the email.

But he didn't. Specifically on the alteration, he sent that to the DOJ for further investigation. You're losing track of the forest for the tree.

Read again what I quoted, as it pertains exactly to the submissions to the FISC, which is what we were discussing.

ElNono
03-16-2020, 09:23 PM
why do you think the motion you posted about disproves russian interference?

it doesn't.

ChumpDumper
03-16-2020, 09:47 PM
It's so cute when TSA watches a couple episodes of Judge Judy.

Spurs Homer
03-16-2020, 09:51 PM
I was just reading about this. The prosecutor consensus is that the US simply does not have the power to mandate a foreign entity to comply with Court decisions, and thus anything the Court decides will not stick.

We'll see what the judge thinks about this.

But it would still be useful to have that remain in court records - because those people indicted will have to take their chances traveling to any other country.

If foreign law enforcement agencies are alert - they could report that individual so we could pick him up.

Better than -having zero - accountability.

ChumpDumper
03-16-2020, 09:52 PM
it doesn't.
https://media.giphy.com/media/PC0Ibqu7qVqpi/giphy.gif

ElNono
03-16-2020, 10:16 PM
I don't get what's the big deal with Mueller being right, tbh... he did assert the Trump campaign didn't collude with Russia, so that's really all Trumpistas should care about, IMO.

spurraider21
03-16-2020, 10:21 PM
I don't get what's the big deal with Mueller being right, tbh... he did assert the Trump campaign didn't collude with Russia, so that's really all Trumpistas should care about, IMO.
Trump Derangement Syndrome tbh

Spurs Homer
03-16-2020, 10:51 PM
i mean, if you actually read the motion, it's not particularly flattering for Concord... and i dont know why you would be cheering for concord anyway

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6811273-200316-Concord-Motion-to-Dismiss.html


bottom line is this:

the russians understand the American legal system.
They see this case as a chance to uncover the mueller teams methods/sources and investigative techniques- through discovery and the unveiling of classified info

which - if you are an american on trial - is perfectly legal to do. You have a right to all of the evidence to properly defend yourself.

If you are russia - you know you wont allow any american court to actually prosecute your indicted criminals-

but it is a great opportunity to game the system and get all the classified info legally

the DOJ - for once in the Barr era - is actually protecting muellers classified info/evidence by one-upping the russians if they just drop the case

ending the russian ploy.

since tsa and his treasonous comrades hate the usa - they are again- spiking the football for mother russia

Chris
03-30-2020, 03:22 PM
https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1244646688326922247?s=19
TSA

boutons_deux
03-30-2020, 09:24 PM
he did assert the Trump campaign didn't collude with Russia

he said he could not make determination, eg ENOUGH evidence, that would hold up in court.

he also said Trump obstructed him from lots of documents, etc.

Chris
04-01-2020, 12:46 AM
https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1245214306372911105?s=19

ElNono
04-01-2020, 12:54 AM
https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1245214306372911105?s=19

Well, good news. The House left without approving an extension for the FISA law like the Senate wanted. Hope it lasts, thought I don't have much hope that it will.

Chris
04-04-2020, 03:15 AM
https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1246261067237515265?s=19

Winehole23
04-04-2020, 05:14 AM
Hey Chris, what do you think of Flynn selling out to Turkey?

TSA
04-09-2020, 11:25 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/LizRNC/status/1248446233938706433

ChumpDumper
04-09-2020, 11:27 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/LizRNC/status/1248446233938706433

NARRATOR: No one broke the law and no one was prosecuted.

ElNono
04-09-2020, 11:29 PM
It's getting to that point where Flynn's defense team should accelerate his sentencing, IMO.

Come next January, his potential option of being pardoned might expire.

Spurs Homer
04-10-2020, 11:24 AM
Once Barr and Trump are removed -

THEN - we can get to the bottom of this.

TSA
04-10-2020, 11:44 AM
https://twitter.com/actual_chaos/status/1248648117269991427

Spurs Homer
04-10-2020, 11:48 AM
Barr trying to cover his criminal ass -

IG took the whistleblower report to the DOJ -

DOJ buried it immediately and hoped it would go away like all of their other cover ups -

Nope -

the IG happened to have integrity and reported it to Congress -

now

Criminal Barr is trying to spin it - no different than his criminal boss and no different than his complicit cult - like TSA -

simple to see the cover ups - but they sure work hard spinning the simplest trump/barr crimes into something

nefarious from the DEEEEEP STATE!!!!!

TSA
04-10-2020, 11:56 AM
AG William Barr says Russia probe was started ‘without basis’

Attorney General William Barr believes the Russia investigation that shadowed President Donald Trump for the first two years of his administration was started without any basis and amounted to an effort to “sabotage the presidency,” he said in an interview with Fox News Channel that aired Thursday.

Barr offered no support for his assertion that the FBI lacked a basis for opening the investigation and made no mention of the fact that the bureau began its probe after a Trump campaign adviser purported to have early knowledge that Russia had dirt on Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton.

Barr, who has appointed a U.S. Attorney to lead an investigation into the origins of the Russia probe, said the Justice Department has evidence there was “something far more troubling” than just mistakes during the investigation that eventually morphed into special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe.

“I think the president has every right to be frustrated because I think what happened to him was one of the greatest travesties in American history,” Barr said in the interview with Fox News Channel’s Laura Ingraham.

The attorney general said the FBI launched its counterintelligence investigation into ties between the Trump campaign and Russia “without any basis.”

“Even more concerning, actually, is what happened after the campaign, a whole pattern of events while he was president,” Barr said. “To sabotage the presidency, and I think that — or at least have the effect of sabotaging the presidency.”

=======================

The inspector general’s report identified significant problems with applications to receive and renew warrants to monitor the communications of former Trump campaign aide Carter Page in 2016 and 2017. Investigators were concerned about Page’s ties to Russia but never charged him with any wrongdoing. Inspector General Michael Horowitz told senators the FBI failed to follow its own standards for accuracy and completeness when it sought warrants from the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to monitor Page’s communications.

The report detailed 17 errors and omissions during those wiretap applications, including failing to tell the court when questions were raised about the reliability of some of the information it had presented to receive the warrants. Those mistakes prompted internal changes within the FBI and spurred a congressional debate over whether the bureau’s surveillance tools should be reined in.

But Barr believes they were more than just mistakes, offering a personal view of the probe, a highly unusual move for a prosecutor in an ongoing investigation.

“My own view is that the evidence shows that we’re not dealing with just mistakes or sloppiness,” he said. “There is something far more troubling here, and we’re going to get to the bottom of it.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/09/william-barr-says-russia-probe-was-started-without-basis/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

ChumpDumper
04-10-2020, 12:06 PM
AG William Barr says Russia probe was started ‘without basis’

Attorney General William Barr believes the Russia investigation that shadowed President Donald Trump for the first two years of his administration was started without any basis and amounted to an effort to “sabotage the presidency,” he said in an interview with Fox News Channel that aired Thursday.

Barr offered no support for his assertion that the FBI lacked a basis for opening the investigation and made no mention of the fact that the bureau began its probe after a Trump campaign adviser purported to have early knowledge that Russia had dirt on Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton.

Barr, who has appointed a U.S. Attorney to lead an investigation into the origins of the Russia probe, said the Justice Department has evidence there was “something far more troubling” than just mistakes during the investigation that eventually morphed into special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe.

“I think the president has every right to be frustrated because I think what happened to him was one of the greatest travesties in American history,” Barr said in the interview with Fox News Channel’s Laura Ingraham.

The attorney general said the FBI launched its counterintelligence investigation into ties between the Trump campaign and Russia “without any basis.”

“Even more concerning, actually, is what happened after the campaign, a whole pattern of events while he was president,” Barr said. “To sabotage the presidency, and I think that — or at least have the effect of sabotaging the presidency.”

=======================

The inspector general’s report identified significant problems with applications to receive and renew warrants to monitor the communications of former Trump campaign aide Carter Page in 2016 and 2017. Investigators were concerned about Page’s ties to Russia but never charged him with any wrongdoing. Inspector General Michael Horowitz told senators the FBI failed to follow its own standards for accuracy and completeness when it sought warrants from the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to monitor Page’s communications.

The report detailed 17 errors and omissions during those wiretap applications, including failing to tell the court when questions were raised about the reliability of some of the information it had presented to receive the warrants. Those mistakes prompted internal changes within the FBI and spurred a congressional debate over whether the bureau’s surveillance tools should be reined in.

But Barr believes they were more than just mistakes, offering a personal view of the probe, a highly unusual move for a prosecutor in an ongoing investigation.

“My own view is that the evidence shows that we’re not dealing with just mistakes or sloppiness,” he said. “There is something far more troubling here, and we’re going to get to the bottom of it.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/09/william-barr-says-russia-probe-was-started-without-basis/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttonsDamn, even if anything ever does go to a trial, Barr and Trump are basically guaranteeing mistrials or appeals based on their redassing.

Most likely won't get anywhere near that though. Sorry, TSA!

TSA
04-10-2020, 12:17 PM
Barr trying to cover his criminal ass -

IG took the whistleblower report to the DOJ -

DOJ buried it immediately and hoped it would go away like all of their other cover ups -

Nope -

the IG happened to have integrity and reported it to Congress -

now

Criminal Barr is trying to spin it - no different than his criminal boss and no different than his complicit cult - like TSA -

simple to see the cover ups - but they sure work hard spinning the simplest trump/barr crimes into something

nefarious from the DEEEEEP STATE!!!!!

Under federal law, a member of the intelligence community may file a complaint with the inspector general if it relates to a matter of “urgent concern.” The law defines a matter of urgent concern as a problem relating to “an intelligence activity within the responsibility of the Director of National Intelligence.”

The complaint Atkinson sent to Congress was about a diplomatic phone call, not an “intelligence activity.” It did not fall under the jurisdiction of the director of national intelligence. The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel issued a memorandum explaining that point.

Thus, it did not qualify as a valid whistleblower complaint. Atkinson either failed to understand the law or decided to ignore it.

Strike one for Atkinson.

Another law states that the inspector general should refer the complaint—even if it was not a valid whistleblower complaint—to the Justice Department for investigation. Atkinson did not do that.

Strike two.

The law also requires the inspector general to determine whether the complaint is credible. At the time Atkinson received the complaint, long-standing department policy required, for good reason, that a complaint be based on firsthand information—not hearsay—to be considered credible.

That was not the case with the complaint Atkinson greenlighted. The supposed “whistleblower” was not involved in the phone call between Trump and Zelenskyy, didn’t work in the White House at the time the call was made, and clearly had a political ax to grind against Trump.

Despite all of his knowledge being thirdhand, Atkinson deemed his complaint to be credible anyway.

Strike three.

Usually with three strikes, you’re out. But Atkinson kept swinging—and missing.

When asked about how he made his credibility determination, Atkinson admitted that he never reviewed the White House memorandum describing the content of the call between Trump and Zelenskyy.

Strike four.

When the press asked Atkinson why he violated the policy, he acknowledged that the policy prohibited him from deeming the report credible, but said he changed the policy after receiving the complaint.

Strike five.

Perhaps realizing that he had backed himself into a corner, Atkinson tried to spin his way out.

He said that, regardless of what was written down, the true policy actually always had been the opposite; that is, complaints were totally fine, even if they were not based on firsthand information. And anyway, Atkinson continued, the complainant checked a box on a form that said he had firsthand information, even though the body of the complaint made it obvious he didn’t.

There are several ways to slice this, and none make Atkinson look good.

He either allowed a defunct policy to sit on the books for years, disregarded an established policy for political ends, or didn’t do his job with the care required from the inspector general of the intelligence establishment, one of the most important functions of the executive branch when it comes to the nation’s security.

Strike six.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/04/10/6-strikes-youre-out-independence-cant-shield-inspectors-general-who-ignore-the-law/

ChumpDumper
04-10-2020, 12:23 PM
Under federal law, a member of the intelligence community may file a complaint with the inspector general if it relates to a matter of “urgent concern.” The law defines a matter of urgent concern as a problem relating to “an intelligence activity within the responsibility of the Director of National Intelligence.”

The complaint Atkinson sent to Congress was about a diplomatic phone call, not an “intelligence activity.” It did not fall under the jurisdiction of the director of national intelligence. The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel issued a memorandum explaining that point.

Thus, it did not qualify as a valid whistleblower complaint. Atkinson either failed to understand the law or decided to ignore it.

Strike one for Atkinson.

Another law states that the inspector general should refer the complaint—even if it was not a valid whistleblower complaint—to the Justice Department for investigation. Atkinson did not do that.

Strike two.

The law also requires the inspector general to determine whether the complaint is credible. At the time Atkinson received the complaint, long-standing department policy required, for good reason, that a complaint be based on firsthand information—not hearsay—to be considered credible.

That was not the case with the complaint Atkinson greenlighted. The supposed “whistleblower” was not involved in the phone call between Trump and Zelenskyy, didn’t work in the White House at the time the call was made, and clearly had a political ax to grind against Trump.

Despite all of his knowledge being thirdhand, Atkinson deemed his complaint to be credible anyway.

Strike three.

Usually with three strikes, you’re out. But Atkinson kept swinging—and missing.

When asked about how he made his credibility determination, Atkinson admitted that he never reviewed the White House memorandum describing the content of the call between Trump and Zelenskyy.

Strike four.

When the press asked Atkinson why he violated the policy, he acknowledged that the policy prohibited him from deeming the report credible, but said he changed the policy after receiving the complaint.

Strike five.

Perhaps realizing that he had backed himself into a corner, Atkinson tried to spin his way out.

He said that, regardless of what was written down, the true policy actually always had been the opposite; that is, complaints were totally fine, even if they were not based on firsthand information. And anyway, Atkinson continued, the complainant checked a box on a form that said he had firsthand information, even though the body of the complaint made it obvious he didn’t.

There are several ways to slice this, and none make Atkinson look good.

He either allowed a defunct policy to sit on the books for years, disregarded an established policy for political ends, or didn’t do his job with the care required from the inspector general of the intelligence establishment, one of the most important functions of the executive branch when it comes to the nation’s security.

Strike six.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/04/10/6-strikes-youre-out-independence-cant-shield-inspectors-general-who-ignore-the-law/Turns out it was credible and, in fact, true.

Home run.

Spurs Homer
04-10-2020, 12:37 PM
Under federal law, a member of the intelligence community may file a complaint with the inspector general if it relates to a matter of “urgent concern.” The law defines a matter of urgent concern as a problem relating to “an intelligence activity within the responsibility of the Director of National Intelligence.”

The complaint Atkinson sent to Congress was about a diplomatic phone call, not an “intelligence activity.” It did not fall under the jurisdiction of the director of national intelligence. The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel issued a memorandum explaining that point.

Thus, it did not qualify as a valid whistleblower complaint. Atkinson either failed to understand the law or decided to ignore it.

Strike one for Atkinson.

Another law states that the inspector general should refer the complaint—even if it was not a valid whistleblower complaint—to the Justice Department for investigation. Atkinson did not do that.

Strike two.

The law also requires the inspector general to determine whether the complaint is credible. At the time Atkinson received the complaint, long-standing department policy required, for good reason, that a complaint be based on firsthand information—not hearsay—to be considered credible.

That was not the case with the complaint Atkinson greenlighted. The supposed “whistleblower” was not involved in the phone call between Trump and Zelenskyy, didn’t work in the White House at the time the call was made, and clearly had a political ax to grind against Trump.

Despite all of his knowledge being thirdhand, Atkinson deemed his complaint to be credible anyway.

Strike three.

Usually with three strikes, you’re out. But Atkinson kept swinging—and missing.

When asked about how he made his credibility determination, Atkinson admitted that he never reviewed the White House memorandum describing the content of the call between Trump and Zelenskyy.

Strike four.

When the press asked Atkinson why he violated the policy, he acknowledged that the policy prohibited him from deeming the report credible, but said he changed the policy after receiving the complaint.

Strike five.

Perhaps realizing that he had backed himself into a corner, Atkinson tried to spin his way out.

He said that, regardless of what was written down, the true policy actually always had been the opposite; that is, complaints were totally fine, even if they were not based on firsthand information. And anyway, Atkinson continued, the complainant checked a box on a form that said he had firsthand information, even though the body of the complaint made it obvious he didn’t.

There are several ways to slice this, and none make Atkinson look good.

He either allowed a defunct policy to sit on the books for years, disregarded an established policy for political ends, or didn’t do his job with the care required from the inspector general of the intelligence establishment, one of the most important functions of the executive branch when it comes to the nation’s security.

Strike six.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/04/10/6-strikes-youre-out-independence-cant-shield-inspectors-general-who-ignore-the-law/

impeachment trial confirmed that it was urgent and necessary on a bipartisan basis


end of fucking story


IG did his job
Dems in congress did theirs

the GOP/Barr/DOJ/Trump - all part of a criminal cover up


end of story


in the future - a proper investigative authority will expose all the criminality and cover ups

TSA
04-10-2020, 12:46 PM
impeachment trial confirmed that it was urgent and necessary on a bipartisan basis


end of fucking story


IG did his job
Dems in congress did theirs

the GOP/Barr/DOJ/Trump - all part of a criminal cover up


end of story


in the future - a proper investigative authority will expose all the criminality and cover ups

The IG actually didn't do his job, as you were just shown.

ChumpDumper
04-10-2020, 12:49 PM
The IG actually didn't do his job, as you were just shown.And yet, the complaint was credible and true.

Why you want it suppressed is your burden to explain.

Spurs Homer
04-10-2020, 12:50 PM
The IG actually didn't do his job, as you were just shown.

he reported it to the DOJ

IG established- it was urgent and credible - which was in his authority to do-

the corrupt barr- dismissed it/refused to investigate (this alone should have caused barr himself to be impeached)

18-plus witnesses corroborated it
evidence was corroborated by trump and mulvaneys own statements
and trumps “not so perfect” phone call

the entire planet witnessed all of the above

/thread

TSA
04-10-2020, 01:34 PM
he reported it to the DOJ

IG established- it was urgent and credible - which was in his authority to do-

the corrupt barr- dismissed it/refused to investigate (this alone should have caused barr himself to be impeached)

18-plus witnesses corroborated it
evidence was corroborated by trump and mulvaneys own statements
and trumps “not so perfect” phone call

the entire planet witnessed all of the above

/thread

Sorry, the IG didn't do his job correctly. Nothing you say will change that. And you are in the wrong thread anyways :lol

TSA
04-10-2020, 01:37 PM
https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1248675034526289927

ChumpDumper
04-10-2020, 01:40 PM
TSA continues his jihad for footnote accountability while Trump is responsible for thousands of American deaths.

Spurs Homer
04-10-2020, 02:08 PM
TSA continues his jihad for footnote accountability while Trump is responsible for thousands of American deaths.


FISA!!!


who cares if hundreds of thousands die?

FISA ABUSE!

boutons_deux
04-10-2020, 02:09 PM
TSA continues his jihad for footnote accountability while Trump is responsible for thousands of American deaths.

fixated whataboutism

Trash is a Pootin puppet, and welcomed Pootin queering the 2016 election, which is why Trash and his mafiya have lied, "forgotten", OBSTRUCTED any and all investigations.

TSA and similar ilk simply cannot accept Trash, an illegitimate President, and his mafiya a cheating, lying, stealing crime syndicate.

eg, Barr just said Trash was correct to fire a bunch of "disloyal" IGs

TSA
04-10-2020, 03:02 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1248693036713992192

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1248693607030292483

TSA
04-10-2020, 03:05 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1248698740053065731

TSA
04-10-2020, 04:11 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/LukeGoldberg4/status/1248091038310432768

Barr does not say this on national tv if he already doesn’t know.

TSA
04-10-2020, 04:12 PM
Shit is about to blow up.

TSA
04-10-2020, 04:15 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1208873492025925632

ChumpDumper
04-10-2020, 04:15 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/LukeGoldberg4/status/1248091038310432768

Barr does not say this on national tv if he already doesn’t know.Of course he says this on Fox News even if he knows nothing. You haven't been paying attention.

TSA
04-10-2020, 04:23 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnWHuber/status/1248700446614728710

Spurs Homer
04-10-2020, 04:23 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/LukeGoldberg4/status/1248091038310432768

Barr does not say this on national tv if he already doesn’t know.



BOOOOM!!!!


:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol



idiots never fucking learn

Barr will ultimately be investigated along with trump

book it.

Spurs Homer
04-10-2020, 04:24 PM
Barr not acting TOO fucking guilty of the shit he has done -

not trying TOO fucking hard to cover shit up that he knows will catch up to him.

TSA
04-10-2020, 04:28 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/greggers4usa/status/1248701382166798342


BOOM!

TSA
04-10-2020, 05:29 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/themarketswork/status/1248732060987973632

https://mobile.twitter.com/themarketswork/status/1248732750477066240

https://mobile.twitter.com/themarketswork/status/1248733186709794818

TSA
04-10-2020, 08:31 PM
Major Report Omission Shows Mueller Was Either Incompetent Or A Political Hack

Not once does Robert Mueller mention an investigation into whether Russia interfered with the presidential election by feeding dossier author Christopher Steele misinformation.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/05/06/major-report-omission-shows-mueller-either-incompetent-political-hack/

Spurs Homer
04-10-2020, 09:47 PM
Booom!!!!!!


:cry:cry:cry

Chris
04-10-2020, 11:25 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/greggers4usa/status/1248701382166798342

https://media1.giphy.com/media/VJ2B0I6t2HEUE/source.gif

ChumpDumper
04-10-2020, 11:44 PM
You guys are seriously still following John Solomon?

Might as well give us some QAnon updates as well.:lol

Chris
04-10-2020, 11:46 PM
Who do you follow - Jim Acosta and Kyle Griffin? :lol

ChumpDumper
04-10-2020, 11:48 PM
Who do you follow - Jim Acosta and Kyle Griffin? :lolNope.

Not J:lolhn S:loll:lolm:loln

ElNono
04-11-2020, 12:29 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/greggers4usa/status/1248701382166798342

The problem I have with this tweet is that both John Solomon and Sean Hannity make a living peddling fake news for retards.

Hopefully they weren't lying this one time.

TSA
04-11-2020, 09:51 AM
The problem I have with this tweet is that both John Solomon and Sean Hannity make a living peddling fake news for retards.

Hopefully they weren't lying this one time.

I don’t follow Hannity so I’ll have to take your word.

Go through each Solomon article and read the editors notes.

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/483600-the-hills-review-of-john-solomons-columns-on-ukraine

TSA
04-11-2020, 10:00 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1248982233794387968

TSA
04-11-2020, 10:04 AM
"From the opening of the investigation, the FBI team kept accumulating exculpatory information. Yet rather than wind the investigation down, they ramped it up...Then it got worse. The FBI team excluded exculpatory information from its FISA application..."

Spurs Homer
04-11-2020, 10:27 AM
"From the opening of the investigation, the FBI team kept accumulating exculpatory information. Yet rather than wind the investigation down, they ramped it up...Then it got worse. The FBI team excluded exculpatory information from its FISA application..."

of course

a professional investigator will just DROP an investigation because not ALL the evidence points ONE way


lolololol


you gather EVERYTHING


then FOLLOW the evidence - follow the facts - it will lead you to truth.


It did.


Mueller spelled it out already and Barr and Trump COVERED IT UP.


There is your evidence - right there.

If this evidence against a deep state was so prevalent- then the criminal barr and the traitor trump

would release EVERYTHING.

instead....Comrade TSA - is being cherry-picked favorable tidbits and he is swallowing whole again.


useful idiot

TSA
04-11-2020, 12:09 PM
of course

a professional investigator will just DROP an investigation because not ALL the evidence points ONE way


lolololol


you gather EVERYTHING


then FOLLOW the evidence - follow the facts - it will lead you to truth.


It did.


Mueller spelled it out already and Barr and Trump COVERED IT UP.


There is your evidence - right there.

If this evidence against a deep state was so prevalent- then the criminal barr and the traitor trump

would release EVERYTHING.

instead....Comrade TSA - is being cherry-picked favorable tidbits and he is swallowing whole again.


useful idiot


1. "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

2. "The investigation examined whether [contacts between Russia and Trump figures] involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination."

3. "The investigation did not establish that [Carter] Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 election."

4. "The Office did not identify evidence in those [contacts between Russians and people around Trump after the GOP convention] of coordination between the Campaign and the Russian government."

5. "The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort's sharing polling data and Russia's interference in the election ... [and] the investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts."

6. "The investigation did not establish that these [contacts between Russians and people around Trump during the transition] reflected or constituted coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russia in its election interference activities."

7. "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the [Russian disinformation campaign]."

TSA
04-11-2020, 12:10 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1249010318463942657

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1249011851498868738

ChumpDumper
04-11-2020, 12:13 PM
How do you validate it without investigating it?

TSA
04-11-2020, 12:30 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/davidharsanyi/status/1248954753893236736

spurraider21
04-11-2020, 12:37 PM
I don’t follow Hannity so I’ll have to take your word.

Go through each Solomon article and read the editors notes.

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/483600-the-hills-review-of-john-solomons-columns-on-ukraine
You mean his opinion column?

spurraider21
04-11-2020, 12:39 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/davidharsanyi/status/1248954753893236736
“Obama admin” :lmao
“spied” :lmao

you after horowitz report: “it was never claimed to be spying for political gain”

now its a watergate sized scandal?

TSA
04-11-2020, 12:51 PM
“Obama admin” :lmao
“spied” :lmao

you after horowitz report: “it was never claimed to be spying for political gain”

now its a watergate sized scandal?

This shit again? The context Horowitz put spying for political gain in meant spying to get Trump campaign information (battleground state tactics/ad placements/debate tactics) And again, it was never claimed to be spying for political gain.

Throughout his report Horowitz brings up confidential human sources sent at the Trump campaign and undercover FBI agents sent at the Trump campaign. Illegal FISA warrants were used for the most intrusive form of spying on Carter Page. Yes, the FBI “spied”, it’s not up for debate.

spurraider21
04-11-2020, 12:53 PM
This shit again? The context Horowitz put spying for political gain in meant spying to get Trump campaign information (battleground state tactics/ad placements/debate tactics) And again, it was never claimed to be spying for political gain.

Throughout his report Horowitz brings up confidential human sources sent at the Trump campaign and undercover FBI agents sent at the Trump campaign. Illegal FISA warrants were used for the most intrusive form of spying on Carter Page. Yes, the FBI “spied”, it’s not up for debate.
Watergate implies political purposes

CI’s are not typically considered spies but i know we can get into semantics. Espionage by definition seeks political or military information

TSA
04-11-2020, 12:53 PM
You mean his opinion column?

Yeah, show me all the editors notes pointing out all the fake news he pushes. Or don’t, it wasn’t your claim to begin with.

TSA
04-11-2020, 12:57 PM
Watergate implies political purposes

CI’s are not typically considered spies but i know we can get into semantics. Espionage by definition seeks political or military information

Would an undercover FBI agent sent at the campaign be spying?

Would illegally using a FISA warrant be spying?

ChumpDumper
04-11-2020, 12:57 PM
You mean his opinion column?:lmao TSA

https://media1.tenor.com/images/93d2af03823f6a98e89fd2e938a6fda0/tenor.gif

TSA
04-11-2020, 12:57 PM
Not sure why you get so defensive when the word spying is used.

ChumpDumper
04-11-2020, 01:01 PM
Not sure why you get so defensive when the word spying is used.He was laughing at you. That's what :lmao means.

Spurs Homer
04-11-2020, 01:04 PM
Lol

comrade TSA

TSA
04-11-2020, 01:08 PM
Lol

comrade TSA

You and the media in general pushed Russian disinformation for 3 years while sowing discord in the USA. You did exactly what Putin wanted, puppet.

Spurs Homer
04-11-2020, 01:11 PM
You and the media in general pushed Russian disinformation for 3 years while sowing discord in the USA. You did exactly what Putin wanted, puppet.

talk to me AFTER

trump and barr release the unredacted Mueller report and the grand jury info

and

after the FBI releases info on trumps other 13 investigations that barr is also covering up

boiled down:

russia attacked- and offered to help trump in the election

trump team welcomed the help


end of fucking story


i wont defend treason and unpatriotism like you do- comrade.


why the cover up- if trump is innocent you fucking rube?

ChumpDumper
04-11-2020, 01:11 PM
You and the media in general pushed Russian disinformation for 3 years while sowing discord in the USA. You did exactly what Putin wanted, puppet.Hey, maybe you can try saying Trump was too distracted by this to do his fucking job and keep himself from killing thousands of American citizens. That's next, isn't it?

:lol sowing discord bad now (birther/massive vote fraud/pizza/Q)

TSA
04-11-2020, 01:26 PM
talk to me AFTER

trump and barr release the unredacted Mueller report and the grand jury info

and

after the FBI releases info on trumps other 13 investigations that barr is also covering up

boiled down:

russia attacked- and offered to help trump in the election

trump team welcomed the help


end of fucking story


i wont defend treason and unpatriotism like you do- comrade.


why the cover up- if trump is innocent you fucking rube?

I don’t need to wait until after. I watched you push Russian disinformation in real time for 3+ years. You’re still doing it to this day, Putin’s puppet.

Chris
04-11-2020, 04:53 PM
https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1249089978270912512?s=19

ElNono
04-11-2020, 05:03 PM
I don’t follow Hannity so I’ll have to take your word.

Go through each Solomon article and read the editors notes.

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/483600-the-hills-review-of-john-solomons-columns-on-ukraine

Thanks for the link. I think it resumes fairly well how he was trying to pass opinion for actual news, a hallmark of fake news. :tu

Spurs Homer
04-11-2020, 10:39 PM
I don’t need to wait until after. I watched you push Russian disinformation in real time for 3+ years. You’re still doing it to this day, Putin’s puppet.



lololol


just happened to catch a documentary on fake news/disinformation...


pizzagate was delved into....


tsa - you are one gullible stupid retarded motherfucker


im embarrassed to have ever wasted time on you


lol pizzagate

Chris
04-14-2020, 03:50 PM
https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1250061053033164804?s=19
TSA

ChumpDumper
04-14-2020, 03:52 PM
https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1250061053033164804?s=19
TSASo you're saying Durham's investigation is full of leaks.

OK:lol

TSA
04-15-2020, 03:46 PM
AG Barr just signaled that things are about to get ugly for the Russia collusion team

“Travesty” is not a nice word. It usually is applied to gross perversions of justice, and that apparently is the context Attorney General William Barr desired when he dropped it into an interview answer the other day in the breezy courtyard of the Department of Justice (DOJ).

His composed, understated delivery almost disguised the weighty magnitude of that disturbing word and the loaded adjective that preceded it. “I think what happened to him,” he said, referring to the president and the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation into his campaign, “was one of the greatest travesties in American history.”

Okay, it’s important to pause for a moment and absorb what the AG said. He just called an FBI investigation not just a travesty but one of the “greatest” travesties in the nation’s history. It was an unprecedented statement by an attorney general about his own department’s premier agency.


The FBI has made plenty of mistakes, but never in its 112-year history has an FBI investigation been characterized as a travesty, let alone one that equates to other hall-of-fame travesties in American history.

Is the AG’s assessment fair? The answer is entwined in his next statement: “Without any basis [the FBI] started this investigation into [Donald Trump’s] campaign ... .”

Oops, stop again right there. Mr. Barr is making a definitive statement about that which many of us have speculated all along, namely that the weirdly unprecedented investigative team put together by former FBI Director James Comey and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe did not have adequate legal reasons to open a case into the Trump campaign in the first place. The attorney general just confirmed that.

But wait a minute, doesn’t that directly contradict DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s assertion that the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation was justified?

Two things to keep in mind regarding that inconsistency.


First, remember that IG Horowitz reached two primary and controversial conclusions: 1) that there was adequate justification for starting the investigation, and 2) that there was no “evidence” of political bias as a motivating factor for the investigation. He based his conclusions, according to his report, solely on his interviews of the FBI individuals who started and ran the case — from Mr. Comey on down. That’s our story, they all said, and we’re stickin’ to it.

This would be like an FBI agent interviewing four subjects suspected of robbing a bank and, after hearing their denials, concluding there was no evidence they committed the crime.

In fairness, the IG is not a criminal investigator and certainly not steeped in counterintelligence matters. The attorney general, on the other hand, owns the Attorney General Guidelines that dictate what it takes to initiate an FBI investigation, particularly of an American citizen. He is the ultimate arbiter.

Which leads to the second point: The AG is logically being briefed on the progress and findings of U.S. Attorney John Durham’s investigation, which he commissioned to examine how the empty Russia collusion case got started in the first place and if it involved any wrongdoing on the part of the government. It is a safe bet that Mr. Durham is collecting evidence beyond the self-serving statements of the FBI principals involved. It also is now a safe bet that his findings will respectfully disagree with Mr. Horowitz’s.

Attorney General Barr communicates in a clear, understandable, calm-as-a-summer-evening manner uncommon in Washington. He undoubtedly did not get to his current position without being a skilled litigator, whose first rule is never make a statement to the court that you can’t back up. His newsworthy claim that there was zero basis for the FBI’s investigation stands, in all probability, on a mound of — in his words — “troubling” evidence now in his possession.


Many in the media immediately sputtered that the FBI was certainly justified because Trump campaign third-stringer George Papadopoulos told an Australian official, in a bar, that the Russians had email dirt on Hillary Clinton.

The media may wish that Papadopoulos’s comment is sufficient justification to investigate a candidate for president, but it is not. An experienced Russia counterintelligence FBI agent would have recognized immediately that the Australian’s assertion, while moderately interesting for existing investigations of Russians, was not nearly enough to open an invasive investigation of American citizens.

The biased, overeager Comey and McCabe, however, opened an unprecedented full-blown investigation into a presidential campaign. Worse, Durham possibly will show that the Comey team started involving itself in questionable intelligence community activities that improperly ran confidential sources against Papadopoulos well before they officially opened a case — a potentially big no-no that, if proven, will not go well for all involved.

That is especially true in light of what the AG went on to say during his interview. He likened the Comey team’s inappropriate investigation and subsequent fallout to sabotage, or the effects of sabotage. “Sabotage” is another powerful word, technically a wartime crime, but a useful metaphor in its ramifications, since it implicates a range of supporting crimes such as conspiracy, fraud, perjury and false statements.

The AG then ominously stated that he is not interested in simply receiving a “report” from Durham. He expects him to focus on possible criminal violations: “And if people broke the law, and we can establish that with the evidence, they will be prosecuted.”

These are incredibly hopeful words to many Americans who have come to believe — after the 2008 Wall Street-driven financial collapse, after the numerous Clinton family schemes and scandals, and after the wasteful Mueller “investigation” — that the powerful are never held accountable.

This is an attorney general projecting an air of confidence, not afraid to speak truth to slippery politicians even though the pushback will be fierce and personal. In light of that, it’s hard to imagine his confidence isn’t buttressed with mounting evidence of abusive government actions.

This is what the Durham investigation could well conclude: A group of people aligned with or sympathetic to one political party conspired to illicitly use the authorities of the FBI to besmirch the opposing party’s presidential candidate — and that every effort should be made to indict those who can be charged as a result.

If true, such a thing has never happened before. It would represent a direct, unprecedented attack on our democracy, to fraudulently influence the voting public with lies ostensibly emanating as facts from a noble, traditionally trusted FBI. And that, indeed, would be a travesty of historical significance. One never to be repeated, we can hope, against any future president of either party.

Kevin R. Brock, former assistant director of intelligence for the FBI, was an FBI special agent for 24 years and principal deputy director of the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC). He is a founder and principal of NewStreet Global Solutions, which consults with private companies and public-safety agencies on strategic mission technologies.

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/492405-ag-barr-just-signaled-that-things-are-about-to-get-ugly-for-the-russia

TSA
04-15-2020, 03:51 PM
https://twitter.com/Sadiso/status/1250442539418693633

Winehole23
04-15-2020, 03:56 PM
^^^purple prose and prognostications

Spurs Homer
04-15-2020, 04:08 PM
Boooommmm!!!


lololololol


tsa = pizzagate


nuff sed

boutons_deux
04-15-2020, 04:17 PM
Why have Trash and his mafiya lied, "forgotten", obstructed investigations for years into Trash and his mafiya's connections with Pootin?

After LYING about Mueller's report, Barr has ZERO credibility.

TSA
04-15-2020, 04:42 PM
https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1250526350768775172

https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1250537926397698048

boutons_deux
04-15-2020, 05:00 PM
Why are we seeing all of these docs about the investigation, but cannot see ANY of docs that Trash/Barr are withholding?

phxspurfan
04-15-2020, 05:02 PM
wrong thread. meanwhile why tf is this bumped to the top rn

ChumpDumper
04-15-2020, 05:07 PM
https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1250526350768775172

https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1250537926397698048Yeah, the dossier was raw intel. That's why it got investigated. The only reason it blew up is because the actions of Trump and his campaign.

Winehole23
04-15-2020, 05:07 PM
wrong thread. meanwhile why tf is this bumped to the top rnTSA has been beating the drumbeats of doom for the DEEP STATE for four years...it all started with a rumor about Comet Ping-Pong in Washington DC.

Spurs Homer
04-15-2020, 05:16 PM
TSA has been beating the drumbeats of doom for the DEEP STATE for four years...it all started with a rumor about Comet Ping-Pong in Washington DC.


lol


pizzagate level IQ

TSA
04-15-2020, 06:30 PM
TSA has been beating the drumbeats of doom for the DEEP STATE for four years...it all started with a rumor about Comet Ping-Pong in Washington DC.

Why stop beating the drum when we just recently learned the FBI lied to the FISC and illegally obtained FISA warrants to use the most intrusive form of surveillance on a Trump campaign aid?

Why stop beating the drum when the Attorney General says this:

“Well, I think a report maybe – and probably will be a byproduct of his activity, but his primary focus isn’t to prepare a report. He is looking to bring to justice people who are engaged in abuses if he can show that they were criminal violations, and that’s what the focus is on. And as you know, being a lawyer you yourself, building these cases – especially the kinds of sprawling case we have between us that went on for two or three years here, it takes some time – it takes some time to build the case. So he’s diligently pursuing it. My own view is that the evidence shows that we’re not dealing with just mistakes or sloppiness. There is something far more troubling here, and we’re going to get to the bottom of it. And if people broke the law, and we can establish that with the evidence, they will be prosecuted.

I think the president has every right to be frustrated, because I think what happened to him was one of the greatest travesties in American history. Without any basis they started this investigation of his campaign, and even more concerning, actually is what happened after the campaign, a whole pattern of events while he was president. So I -- to sabotage the presidency, and I think that – or at least have the effect of sabotaging the presidency.”

TSA
04-15-2020, 06:32 PM
lol


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TSA
04-15-2020, 08:40 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/carterwpage/status/1250594876233846786

Chris
04-15-2020, 09:20 PM
https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1250588061400018946?s=19

oh daddy

ElNono
04-16-2020, 05:16 AM
TSA has been beating the drumbeats of doom for the DEEP STATE for four years...it all started with a rumor about Comet Ping-Pong in Washington DC.

Don't forget the irony of putting his faith on Barr, the obfuscator in chief...

TSA
04-16-2020, 09:46 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnWHuber/status/1250769050323628033

https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnWHuber/status/1250769063292403712

boutons_deux
04-16-2020, 09:55 AM
FBI had a very strong scent that Trash and his mafiya were deeply, variously connected to Pootin

Why have Trash and his mafiya lied, "forgotten", obstructed investigations for years into Trash and his mafiya's connections with Pootin?

After LYING about Mueller's report, Barr has ZERO credibility.

boutons_deux
04-16-2020, 10:03 AM
why is Trash HIDING his tax returns, his health records?

What does Trash have to hide?

The STENCH from Trash's crime syndicate is OVERWHELMING

Spurs Homer
04-16-2020, 10:12 AM
lololol


pizzagate retard - is so SURE that this was all a hoax!


yet he is still defending his cult leaders actions 3 years later - and STILL trying to uncover the "truth" over what he called a russian hoax!!!!


why the fuck are trump and barr trying so hard - TO DEFEND THEMSELVES - after the GOP covered up his crimes????

and after BARR covered up the Mueller report?

lololol

TSA
04-16-2020, 12:24 PM
https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1250788490071203840

ChumpDumper
04-16-2020, 12:27 PM
TSA, you do know this nothingburger got reanimated because Trump's body count skyrocketed, don't you?

You do know you're doing everything in your power to distract from Trump's body count, right?

If you don't know you're doing this, you're a bigger rube than previously thought.

Winehole23
04-16-2020, 12:34 PM
TSA, you do know this nothingburger got reanimated because Trump's body count skyrocketed, don't you?

You do know you're doing everything in your power to distract from Trump's body count, right?

If you don't know you're doing this, you're a bigger rube than previously thought.He's not giving us anything new. We knew, they knew, everybody already knew by this point that raw intel contains bullshit.

Pretending that the FBI relied on this and nothing else is the endlessly rewarmed script.

Winehole23
04-16-2020, 12:37 PM
Also that the judges were too dumb to understand what they were reading.

Spurs Homer
04-16-2020, 12:55 PM
TSA, you do know this nothingburger got reanimated because Trump's body count skyrocketed, don't you?

You do know you're doing everything in your power to distract from Trump's body count, right?

If you don't know you're doing this, you're a bigger rube than previously thought.


lol


dont you know?


first you get EXONERATED!


then you get

RE-EXONERATED!!!

TSA
04-16-2020, 12:55 PM
Also that the judges were too dumb to understand what they were reading.

Did the FBI knowingly lie on the FISA applications and also submit falsified documents for the FISA applications? Yes or no.

Winehole23
04-16-2020, 01:08 PM
Did the FBI knowingly lie on the FISA applications and also submit falsified documents for the FISA applications? Yes or no.Let the chips fall for whatever crimes/mistakes that happened.

Herr Barr only has a few months left, chop chop!

TSA
04-16-2020, 01:13 PM
Let the chips fall for whatever crimes/mistakes that happened.

Herr Barr only has a few months left, chop chop!

That’s not an answer to the question, try again. Did the FBI knowingly lie on the FISA applications and also submit falsified do ents for the FISA applications? Yes or no.

ChumpDumper
04-16-2020, 01:18 PM
TSA is definitely not calling his shots anymore after pizzagate, spirit cooking, Qanon, unlawful exoneration, baby eating and SSSSSSIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSSSSBBBBBBBBB BBYYYYYY.

I'll call my shot tho.

Maybe a couple process crimes will come out of the investigation itself, that's it.

ChumpDumper
04-16-2020, 01:22 PM
1250619110666448896

Spurs Homer
04-16-2020, 01:25 PM
TSA is definitely not calling his shots anymore after pizzagate, spirit cooking, Qanon, unlawful exoneration, baby eating and SSSSSSIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSSSSBBBBBBBBB BBYYYYYY.

I'll call my shot tho.

Maybe a couple process crimes will come out of the investigation itself, that's it.

ill agree with that- and

ill add another:

ZERO investigations on this “investigating the investigators” topic will be credible until Barr and this administration is out of office.


a non partisan 9-11 type commission will eventually be the only credible investigators

and

the complete unredacted mueller report and ALL his (non classified) investigative materials, grand jury testimony etc
will have to be examined by this commission before any conclusions will be valid

Winehole23
04-16-2020, 01:30 PM
Let the chips fall for whatever crimes/mistakes that happened.

Herr Barr only has a few months left, chop chop!


That’s not an answer to the question, try again. Did the FBI knowingly lie on the FISA applications and also submit falsified do ents for the FISA applications? Yes or no.The falsified edits I know little about, but the Horowitz IG report made it clear misrepresentations -- lies, in common parlance -- were made.

Did Horowitz make a criminal referral? Are you begging for a do-over since the first investigation didn't produce the results you want?

boutons_deux
04-16-2020, 02:28 PM
Also that the judges were too dumb to understand what they were reading.

so they convicted Trash's mafiya anyway, right? :)

TSA
04-16-2020, 03:08 PM
The falsified edits I know little about, but the Horowitz IG report made it clear misrepresentations -- lies, in common parlance -- were made.

Did Horowitz make a criminal referral? Are you begging for a do-over since the first investigation didn't produce the results you want?

The lies, ommisions, and errors were so egregious and voluminous that Horowitz recommended the entire COC and every line agent involved over to the DOJ.

Winehole23
04-16-2020, 03:11 PM
Let the chips fall for whatever crimes/mistakes that happened.

Herr Barr only has a few months left, chop chop!


The lies, ommisions, and errors were so egregious and voluminous that Horowitz recommended the entire COC and every line agent involved over to the DOJ.Keep praying for det legal hail mary.

TSA
04-16-2020, 10:07 PM
Keep praying for det legal hail mary.

Keep det head in the sand

https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnWHuber/status/1250957115176476675

https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnWHuber/status/1250970177518403584

https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnWHuber/status/1250975858216652806