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FuzzyLumpkins
02-15-2017, 03:11 PM
Republicans have reached a gut check moment: After spending more than six years vowing to fix the flagging patient that is Obamacare, it’s the GOP’s own repeal effort that’s on life support.

Undoing the health care law despised by conservatives seemed to be a straightforward proposition for the party after it won the White House and retained control of both chambers of Congress. Instead, Republicans are sniping over how much of the law to scrap, what to replace it with and when. At this moment, it's far from a sure thing any plan could get through Congress.

Consider Paul Ryan's feel-good meeting with Senate Republicans on Tuesday. The House speaker trekked across the Capitol to reassure senators that lawmakers are making more progress toward repealing the health care law than the media are reporting.

But not everyone was buying it. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) left before it was over, having heard enough of a conversation that he says centers around keeping Obamacare's Medicaid expansion intact and creating tax credits that he called a "new entitlement program," though a Republican in the room rebutted the notion that the topic of Medicaid expansion came up in the Tuesday meeting with Ryan.

“I hear things that are unacceptable to me,” Paul said in an interview afterward. “If they don’t seem to care what conservatives think about complete repeal of Obamacare, they’re going to be shocked when they count the votes.”

Ryan’s efforts precede Wednesday’s visit by newly confirmed Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price, who will attend lunch with Senate Republicans, ostensibly to articulate President Donald Trump’s position. In addition, Republicans are pressing Price to do as much as he can through executive actions to buy them time to come to a consensus this spring.

It may take a direct intervention from Trump to get the party's warring factions in line.

“It’s hard to see how this gets done unless the president says, ‘OK, let’s do it this way,’” said Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), a key committee chairman on Obamacare.

But it's been awhile since Republicans have heard something substantive from Trump on Obamacare. When the president last weighed in constructively, he was prompted by Paul's appearance on a cable news show, during which he railed against efforts to repeal the law without a replacement. Trump called up Paul to offer his support.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/obamacare-repeal-replace-republicans-235020

mavsfan1000
02-15-2017, 04:08 PM
It will be replaced. Just gotta wait a while.

Thread
02-15-2017, 04:11 PM
It will be replaced. Just gotta wait a while.

& the IRS is no longer considering the mandate.

mavsfan1000
02-15-2017, 04:21 PM
& the IRS is no longer considering the mandate.
WORD!

DMC
02-15-2017, 04:21 PM
lol "it's been a while since..."

Trump took office what, a little over 3 weeks ago? :lol

mavsfan1000
02-15-2017, 04:23 PM
The Mandate was the most important thing. Fining people for not having Insurance is ridiculous.

Splits
02-15-2017, 04:29 PM
& the IRS is no longer considering the mandate.

Wrong again! No change to previous years.


This year, the IRS put in place system changes that would reject tax returns during processing in instances where the taxpayer didn’t provide information related to health coverage.However, the Jan. 20, 2017, executive order directed federal agencies to exercise authority and discretion available to them to reduce potential burden.‎

Consistent with that, the IRS has decided to make changes that would continue to allow electronic and paper returns to be accepted for processing in instances where a taxpayer doesn’t indicate their coverage status.

However, legislative provisions of the ACA law are still in force until changed by the Congress, and taxpayers remain required to follow the law and pay what they may owe‎.

https://www.irs.gov/affordable-care-act/individuals-and-families/individual-shared-responsibility-provision

boutons_deux
02-15-2017, 05:10 PM
some who wanted to sign up didn't because Repugs were talking about about repeal

boutons_deux
02-15-2017, 05:11 PM
Price has lots of power to fuck ACA w/o repeal, and he will unless he's all bark

spurraider21
02-15-2017, 06:01 PM
The Mandate was the most important thing. Fining people for not having Insurance is ridiculous.
The mandate was a failed half-measure in place of single payer

FuzzyLumpkins
02-15-2017, 07:13 PM
The mandate was a failed half-measure in place of single payer

Or public option.

I find it amusing that the same people that say that government is inherently less efficient than any private industry are afraid of what a public option would do to the market share of private industry.

rmt
02-16-2017, 12:36 AM
Trump Administration Proposes New Rules for ACA Exchanges

Under the proposed rule, people who do not receive health insurance from an employer would have six weeks instead of three months to sign up for coverage during open enrollment. The proposal would also put in place stronger vetting practices to make sure those who buy plans outside of open enrollment submit evidence to show they did so because of major life changes, such as a divorce, a move or getting a new job.

It also would require that people who drop out of coverage before the year is over pay the premiums they would have accrued for the full year before they are can enroll for the following year. Currently, customers who neglect to pay their premiums can continue to receive care for 90 days before an insurer drops their policy, with insurers responsible for the full cost of the first 30 days and providers shouldering the last 60 days.

The proposed rule comes a day after health insurance companies Aetna and Humana, and Cigna and Anthem, announced they would not be moving forward with their mergers after a federal judge blocked their intents on anti-competitive grounds. Humana also announced Tuesday that it would not be participating in the Obamacare exchanges in 2018, in part because of the ruling.

On Wednesday, Mark Bertolini, the chairman and CEO of Aetna, said Obamacare was in a "death spiral."

"It's not going to get any better; it's getting worse," he said at a Wall Street Journal event. Though he didn't say whether Aetna planned to participate next year, he predicted that other insurers would drop out.

If Aetna or more insurers drop out, the proposed rule would have limited impact on the 12 million of people who rely on the exchanges because exchanges would have few – or no – plans to offer customers heading in to 2018. The number of uninsured people would likely rise as prices soar.

In regard to the rule, Bertolini said in a statement that he was optimistic about where the administration and congressional leaders were headed with a replacement package.

"Secretary Price and the administration have taken some good initial steps with the proposed regulation issued earlier today," he said. “For far too many Americans, the ACA has not lived up to its promise of providing affordable health care coverage.”

http://www.usnews.com/news/health-care-news/articles/2017-02-15/new-rules-for-obamacare-exchanges-address-health-insurance-company-concerns

spurraider21
02-16-2017, 12:52 AM
Obamacare law, not Trumpcare

baseline bum
02-16-2017, 01:05 AM
I have no doubt whatsoever that Trump signs a repeal of the ACA.

mavsfan1000
02-16-2017, 02:22 AM
They mentioned next month on Hannity tonight.

spurraider21
02-16-2017, 02:25 AM
They mentioned next month on Hannity tonight.FAKE NEWS