Media Say Trump's ICE Arrested Transgender Domestic Violence Victim. They Ignore One

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http://www.dailywire.com/news/13551/media-say-trumps-ice-arrested-transgender-domestic-ben-shapiro?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=013117-news&utm_campaign=dwbrand

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ICE: 350% More Illegals Snared in Raids Under Obama

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https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-arrests-more-3100-convicted-criminal-aliens-and-immigration-fugitives-nationwide

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schools in the US will turn out way more ducks in the next few decades.

https://gutierrez.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/guti-rrez-being-asked-leave-ice-meeting-capitol-speaker-ryan-and

[Winehole23]

ICE: 350% More Illegals Snared in Raids Under ObamaYep. Border enforcement and deportation hit all time highs under Obama.

[dbestpro]

Yep. Border enforcement and deportation hit all time highs under Obama.

Then no one should be upset as Trump's expands on Obama's work.

[Winehole23]

there are folks who objected to that. they have every right to still be upset.

[Winehole23]

people also blow with the political winds or otherwise change their opinions about policy. that's legit too.

[Winehole23]

being that immigrants barely budge the needle on crime, the security payoff may not be worth the cost. plus, it could hit us right in the breadbasket:


More than half of U.S. farm workers are undocumented, according to the American Farm Bureau Federation. President Donald Trump’s threats against immigrants could add up to higher grocery bills as growers and companies wrestle with labor shortages, according to studies from the bureau and the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

http://www.westernfarmerstockman.com/farm-operations/immigration-raids-send-wave-distress-through-ag-industry

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being that immigrants barely budge the needle on crime, the security payoff may not be worth the cost. plus, it could hit us right in the breadbasket:



http://www.westernfarmerstockman.com/farm-operations/immigration-raids-send-wave-distress-through-ag-industry

Just think of all the jobs Americans will have to choose from! Pick food? Mine coal? Feed livestock? Endless possibilities!

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[[[More than half of U.S. farm workers are undocumented, according to the American Farm Bureau Federation. President Donald Trump’s threats against immigrants could add up to higher grocery bills as growers and companies wrestle with labor shortages, according to studies from the bureau and the U.S. Department of Agriculture.]]]

So be it, the market will adjust just like it adjusts when the minimum wage goes up. Prices will rise, the populace will make their choice of what to purchase. There will be winners and losers, but WE WILL decide. That's how commerce works.

Illegals need to get their illegal asses up and out of this country. They are illegal.

[tlongII]

Just think of all the jobs Americans will have to choose from! Pick food? Mine coal? Feed livestock? Endless possibilities!

Better than holding a sign at the freeway on ramp.

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Better than holding a sign at the freeway on ramp.

Those guys make more than picking fucking lettuce.

[tlongII]

Those guys make more than picking fucking lettuce.

And that's a problem.

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And that's a problem.

So you're on the #fightFor15 train!

Chooo choo!

[Winehole23]

Illegals need to get their illegal asses up and out of this country. They are illegal. They're people and they contribute a lot to this country. Immigration law is overdue for a reform, and not to make it harder for immigrants to come here. Quite the reverse.

Who's gonna pay for your Social Security and Medicare?

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They're people and they contribute a lot to this country. Immigration law is overdue for a reform, and not to make it harder for immigrants to come here. Quite the reverse.

Who's gonna pay for your Social Security and Medicare?

They broke & entered this country. They are criminals. Out!

[mavsfan1000]

They broke & entered this country. They are criminals. Out!
Feeling sorry for illegals is like feeling sorry for criminals. Don't want to go to jail or get deported, don't break the fucking law.

[Winehole23]

No, it's not. Administrative law=/= criminal law.

It's like saying people who get parking tickets are criminals: technically correct, yet absurdly exaggerated.

undocumented immigration is an offense against an administrative agency of government, not a violation of the criminal code.

[Winehole23]

blurring the distinction is demagogic. it tortures the facts until they confess to whatever you want.

[Winehole23]

There are people who are deportable / removable (because they don't have permission to be here, because they have permission to be here but have violated a term of their stay, or for some other reason such as a criminal conviction). There are people who lack legal status and are also not removable. There are people who "have no lawful status," but are also not "unlawfully present." There are people who are removable but also eligible to apply to stay in the US lawfully. There are people who would be eligible to apply to stay here lawfully, but the application is only available if the government first tries to deport them. There are people outside the US who are not eligible to come in legally, but if they were here, they would be allowed to stay. There are even people who are simultaneously deportable and eligible to apply for citizenship.

There are also ways to "break the law" and still be present lawfully. There are lots of types of violations of immigration law and criminal law that can't result in deportation for people in certain types of status, or where there's a "grace period." There are some crimes where you're fine if you were convicted in 1995, but totally out of luck if it was 1997.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Do you have proof of Trump ordering people who shouldn't be deported to be deported?

[Winehole23]

did I claim I did?

anyway, there's evidence of that posted in this thread if you care to read. Border Patrol is the executive branch, the EO bears the president's signature.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Criminal illegal aliens are being rounded up and deported what is the problem?

[Winehole23]

they're not criminals. we're talking about administrative violations, not criminal law.

the EO was badly drafted, involved agencies weren't briefed, people who have the right to be here and move about freely were forcibly deported. Random sweeps and checkpoints, non-criminals targeted, families broken apart. it's been a shit show.

[SnakeBoy]

being that immigrants barely budge the needle on crime, the security payoff may not be worth the cost. plus, it could hit us right in the breadbasket:



http://www.westernfarmerstockman.com/farm-operations/immigration-raids-send-wave-distress-through-ag-industry

So are you an open borders guy or just pro cheap labor?

[TheSanityAnnex]

OP article was about a criminal, as in committed crimes, being deported what are you referencing?

[Winehole23]

So are you an open borders guy or just pro cheap labor?there's middle ground I end up on.

demographically we need the immigrants, their legit participation in the workforce, their taxes, families and businesses. we need their drive, their entrepreneurial spirit and their cultural influence. there should be a better pathway to legal status and better incentives for the sort of people we want here.

[Winehole23]

OP article was about a criminal, as in committed crimes, being deported what are you referencing?the conversation has movede way beyond the confines of the OP, and it's plain dishonest to pretend that only criminals were detained.

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the conversation has movede way beyond the confines of the OP, and it's plain dishonest to pretend that only criminals were detained.

Anybody that breaks & enters this country is a criminal. Get their illegal asses out of here.

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Anybody that breaks & enters this country is a criminal. Get their illegal asses out of here.

fake news

[TheSanityAnnex]

the conversation has movede way beyond the confines of the OP, and it's plain dishonest to pretend that only criminals were detained.

So you are upset people here illegally (non criminal) were detained?


people who have the right to be here and move about freely were forcibly deported.

Can you give me some examples of this.

[TheSanityAnnex]

fake news
Are you referring to the 100,000 National Guard illegal immigrant round up you posted yesterday?

[mavsfan1000]

No, it's not. Administrative law=/= criminal law.

It's like saying people who get parking tickets are criminals: technically correct, yet absurdly exaggerated.

undocumented immigration is an offense against an administrative agency of government, not a violation of the criminal code.
Except the ones President Trump is targeting have committed a felony or multiple misdemeanors. These are bad people.

[Winehole23]

good people get caught in the dragnet. probably more good people than bad guys. that's part of the problem.

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good people get caught in the dragnet. probably more good people than bad guys. that's part of the problem.

Any SOB that breaks & enters this country is a criminalPERIOD

Shit, once they've committed that criminal act they figure:::"wtf, I've already fucked up and might as well get as much shit as I can by hook or by crook before I'm thrown out, si?"

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Are you referring to the 100,000 National Guard illegal immigrant round up you posted yesterday?

The memo existed and was circulated, it wasn't fake.

[Winehole23]

Any SOB that breaks & enters this country is a criminalPERIOD

Shit, once they've committed that criminal act they figure:::"wtf, I've already fucked up and might as well get as much shit as I can by hook or by crook before I'm thrown out, si?"That's where you're wrong. Unless there is some underlying crime or fact described in criminal law, crossing the border without papers isn't a crime, period.

[Winehole23]

Common parlance totally notwithstanding. You bought the shit they were selling.

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That's where you're wrong. Unless there is some underlying crime or fact described in criminal law, crossing the border without papers isn't a crime, period.

It's breaking & enteringPERIOD

[Winehole23]

wrong again. it's not B&E.

it's not hard to understand. undocumented immigration is not a statutory crime but a violation of administrative regulations.

calling it a crime is pure propaganda.