Socialism in action: 75% of Venezuela's population lost 19 pounds due to lack of food

[Clipper Nation]

Venezuela's Living Conditions Survey found that nearly 75 percent of the population lost an average of at least 19 pounds in 2016 due to a lack of proper nutrition amid an economic crisis.

The survey, called ENCOVI, is a joint effort conducted by the Central University of Venezuela, the Andrés Bello Catholic University and the Simón Bolívar University, along with the Fundación Bengoa food and nutrition group and other non-governmental organizations.

Venezuelans are not consuming the 2,000 recommended daily calories needed, the survey said. Venezuela's extreme poor said they have lost more than 20 pounds.

In the survey, researchers found that most Venezuelans substituted red and white meats with vegetables and tubers -- such as potatoes. According to the survey, 82.8 percent of Venezuelans are considered poor due to their income.

The survey also found that 93 percent of Venezuelans do not have enough money to cover their food expenses. In the Venezuelan daily diet, healthy fats and snacks have nearly disappeared. Only 78 percent of people said they eat breakfast and 32 percent of people said they only eat twice a day, the survey found.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2017/02/19/Venezuela-75-of-population-lost-19-pounds-amid-crisis/2441487523377/

[Mitch]

If it didn't work, it's fake socialism

[spurraider21]

venezuela is a flawless country except for socialism tbh

[rmt]

I don't think I could lose 19 lbs and still be alive. Nothing wrong with eating twice a day - I do. As an aside, my father who lived through WWII in China now refuses to eat sweet potatoes - ate too many during the war. He said they only got meat on special occasions like Chinese New Year.

[Trainwreck2100]

As if 75% of Americans don't need to lose 19 ponds

[boutons_deux]

Not socialism's fault. It was corruption and mismanagement by Chavez's gang.

Social democracies in Europe are working better than uncontrolled capitalism in USA.

Repugs will make US capitalism work much worse for the 99% ASAP.

[DMC]

You cannot average weight loss. It's pointless.

[Reck]

You cannot average weight loss. It's pointless.

God knows you've been trying for years. :lol

[Adam Lambert]

heres a fun game

name one american politician who is more like hugo chavez than donald trump

[clambake]

san antonio could use this leadership.

[hater]

Fuck we need socialism in the USA ASAP

These fat fucks cant even fit in a portable potty anymore :lmao

I was just driving through middle america and got damn most ppl I saw were 300 pound balls of lard

[140]

God knows you've been trying for years. :lol
:lol

[140]

Fuck we need socialism in the USA ASAP

These fat fucks cant even fit in a portable potty anymore :lmao

I was just driving through middle america and got damn most ppl I saw were 300 pound balls of lard
:lmao murikans

[hater]

heres a fun game

name one american politician who is more like hugo chavez than donald trump

Ronald Reagan. Both shitty leaders and now rotting corpses

[Splits]

Ronald Reagan. Both shitty leaders and now rotting corpses

:lol boom

[Reck]

Fuck we need socialism in the USA ASAP

These fat fucks cant even fit in a portable potty anymore :lmao

I was just driving through middle america and got damn most ppl I saw were 300 pound balls of lard

I'm sad to say this is becoming truer every day.

Even in a beautiful city like New York. One of the least fattest cities in the US.

I'm seeing more and more of them every day. Although most of them are fat mexicans though. :lol

[hater]

I'm sad to say this is becoming truer every day.

Even in a beautiful city like New York. One of the least fattest cities in the US.

I'm seeing more and more of them every day. Although most of them are fat mexicans though. :lol

Tourists and not mexicans but Puerto Ricans. Fuckers love them BBQ pork and their womens asses inflate like Macys parade ballons for some reason

[FuzzyLumpkins]

totalitarian despotic socialism only works with a competent leader. When Hugo was around he was able to manage the culture of graft that is rife in latin america and more equitably distribute wealth. With his death, his replacement has not been able to manage near so much. They have their Trump now and much like the rise and fall of monarchies tehy are stuck with him.

democratic socialism like Sanders advocates and the rest of the West uses from one extent to another is not the same. For one it is not totalitarian. I know GOP types like their politics dumbed down to braindead levels but it is not representative of reality.

Why don't you tell us about the economy of China before diversification of Russia in the time leading up to Perestroika and pretend that is the same thing too. Get really fucking ignorant.

[baseline bum]

Anyone want to make a thread about capitalism in action in Somalia while we're at it?

[boutons_deux]

Anyone want to make a thread about capitalism in action in Somalia while we're at it?

Somalia is a failed state, no economic system worth the name

[Clipper Nation]

totalitarian despotic socialism only works with a competent leader. When Hugo was around he was able to manage the culture of graft that is rife in latin america and more equitably distribute wealth.
:lmao Unironically defending a dictator

Hugo Chavez took over the richest economy in Latin America and completely trashed it. He was no better than Maduro.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-08-27/how-hugo-chavez-trashed-latin-america-s-richest-economy

[Clipper Nation]

Not socialism's fault. It was corruption and mismanagement by Chavez's gang.

Social democracies in Europe are working better than uncontrolled capitalism in USA.

Repugs will make US capitalism work much worse for the 99% ASAP.
http://i.imgur.com/BlJVRP3.gif

[Adam Lambert]

chavez was also a fake-populist narcissist who lied compulsively, hated the free press and was good friends with vlad putin


but yeah its the socialism

[z0sa]

totalitarian despotic socialism only works with a competent leader. When Hugo was around he was able to manage the culture of graft that is rife in latin america and more equitably distribute wealth. With his death, his replacement has not been able to manage near so much. They have their Trump now and much like the rise and fall of monarchies tehy are stuck with him.

democratic socialism like Sanders advocates and the rest of the West uses from one extent to another is not the same. For one it is not totalitarian. I know GOP types like their politics dumbed down to braindead levels but it is not representative of reality.

Why don't you tell us about the economy of China before diversification of Russia in the time leading up to Perestroika and pretend that is the same thing too. Get really fucking ignorant.

Great post.

[tlongII]

Great post.

:lmao

[DMC]

God knows you've been trying for years. :lol

:lol

[Th'Pusher]

:lmao Unironically defending a dictator

Hugo Chavez took over the richest economy in Latin America and completely trashed it. He was no better than Maduro.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-08-27/how-hugo-chavez-trashed-latin-america-s-richest-economy

Request. IYO, name the most successful (least harmful) socialist policy currently employed by the United Stated through federal law.

[hater]

:lmao Unironically defending a dictator

Hugo Chavez took over the richest economy in Latin America and completely trashed it. He was no better than Maduro.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-08-27/how-hugo-chavez-trashed-latin-america-s-richest-economy


:lmao terrible post bordering on fake news

Hugo chavez took over because only a handful of families held held 95% of venezuelan riches

[ElNono]

:lol If you know anything about Chavez, Maduro, Lula, Kirchner.... I don't ever want to hear that Bernie (some even said Shillary or Barry :lmao) is a socialist anymore...

Social Democracy is very different from those near-despotic if not outright despotic regimes...

[DMC]

Social democracy is a bastardized form of socialism. It eventually decays into capitalism as people fall back into their predisposed life roles.

[Th'Pusher]

Social democracy is a bastardized form of socialism. It eventually decays into capitalism as people fall back into their predisposed life roles.

So social democracy, which is the only thing that's marginally proposed as potential policy in the US, is absolutely nothing like the despotic socialism outlined in the op, which is a thinly veiled and wildly ignorant Strawman built on demagoguery.

:tu glad we agree.

[DMC]

So social democracy, which is the only thing that's marginally proposed as potential policy in the US, is absolutely nothing like the despotic socialism outlined in the op, which is a thinly veiled and wildly ignorant Strawman built on demagoguery.

:tu glad we agree.



Are you in favor of socialism?

Do you make more than 100K a year?

Generally those in favor of the type of socialism you're referring to stand to improve their own lives through leveling.

[Th'Pusher]

Are you in favor of socialism?

Do you make more than 100K a year?

Generally those in favor of the type of socialism you're referring to stand to improve their own lives through leveling.

Nice edit. You changed the direction of your original post. I underrstand as i was in the process of dismantling your original take.

So Now you're asking how much I make a year? Cute.

My base salary is six figures to include a bonus on top of that. My wife is in a similar situation. There. Now you can pretend to grasp my Financial situation.

What now sausage man?

Where are you going with this line of questioning.

[Th'Pusher]

OH, and wrt supporting socialist policy, I'll pose the same question I did to CN, which he pussied out on answering:

name the most successful (least harmful) socialist policy currently employed by the United Stated through federal law.

go ahead pussy.

[DMC]

That's a lot of talking to avoid the question.

Do you support socialism?


Two policies that are enforced by federal law that are likely the most successful (least harmful) are the FDA regulations and public schools. Then again, being the least harmful doesn't make you a saint.

Farm subsidies are a joke. Growing up on farms, I witnessed countless "farmers" who never harvested a crop, but collected subsides from failed crops and got the burn bonus for plowing under instead of burning the weeds they swore were soybeans. You always knew who they were, they broadcast their crops as they had no intention on ever harvesting, thus no need to manage them using rows and implements. Kids broke in the summer, driving new vehicles by Christmas.

Social security is a joke. We'll likely never see it because, like all other socialist systems, the corrupt in power abuse the coffer to further their own agendas. Any way these folks can get ahead they will. True socialism has everyone equal, so the only way you can get ahead is to cheat the system and they do, but in order to get a ripe tree full of opportunity, you have to install a form of socialism to force everyone to feed the piggy bank before it's robbed.

So tell me, are you for socialism, yes or no? Or do you just want to keep dodging and playing cutesy?

I don't believe you about your salary. :lol

[Th'Pusher]

I don't believe you about your salary. :lol

if you're unable to believe my basic salary claims, I'm not interested in carrying on a debate. I will say I enjoy the effort you put into the response though. Lots of words. Little substance. Typical DMC...low value shitposting.

[DMC]

if you're unable to believe my basic salary claims, I'm not interested in carrying on a debate. I will say I enjoy the effort you put into the response though. Lots of words. Little substance. Typical DMC...low value shitposting.

That's what I thought, you cannot handle the discussion and so you focus on that small part you can be offended by, and bolt, after all the name calling you engaged in :lol

[TimDunkem]

God knows you've been trying for years. :lol
:lmao

[ElNono]

Social democracy is a bastardized form of socialism. It eventually decays into capitalism as people fall back into their predisposed life roles.

It might just be that there's a lot of shades into it, much like in everything. For example, it's perfectly fine to run a capitalist economy but have certain specific socialist-like policies/structures.

Things like the NHS in the UK, even the US Military (through Article I, Section 8 in the US Constitution), come to mind.

That's why I don't get the Socialism! as some sort of insult (especially from some people here in America). I wonder if any of them actually lived on a dictatorial socialist country, a social democratic country or could even tell what's the difference between the two (or even if they took the time to find out). Is it just laziness, or some connection to Communism and the 80s? Just kinda weird to me.

[pgardn]

It might just be that there's a lot of shades into it, much like in everything. For example, it's perfectly fine to run a capitalist economy but have certain specific socialist-like policies/structures.

Things like the NHS in the UK, even the US Military (through Article I, Section 8 in the US Constitution), come to mind.

That's why I don't get the Socialism! as some sort of insult (especially from some people here in America). I wonder if any of them actually lived on a dictatorial socialist country, a social democratic country or could even tell what's the difference between the two (or even if they took the time to find out). Is it just laziness, or some connection to Communism and the 80s? Just kinda weird to me.

Dont go making things difficult for the binary crowd.

Label something yes or no please.

[DMC]

It might just be that there's a lot of shades into it, much like in everything. For example, it's perfectly fine to run a capitalist economy but have certain specific socialist-like policies/structures.

Things like the NHS in the UK, even the US Military (through Article I, Section 8 in the US Constitution), come to mind.

That's why I don't get the Socialism! as some sort of insult (especially from some people here in America). I wonder if any of them actually lived on a dictatorial socialist country, a social democratic country or could even tell what's the difference between the two (or even if they took the time to find out). Is it just laziness, or some connection to Communism and the 80s? Just kinda weird to me.

This type of discussion reminds me of how some Muslims claim Islam is a religion of peace yet the fundamental aspect of it is anything but. The fundamental aspect of socialism is wealth redistribution by the community leaders (i.e. government). Having aspects of socialism isn't the same as having socialism, by the very definition of socialism.

There's not a lot of shades to it. There's deviation from it. Same with religion. You either have the fundamental religion or you deviate from it. There's not different shades of it. That's a euphemism that tends to soften the truth.

[DMC]

Dont go making things difficult for the binary crowd.

Label something yes or no please.

Using the word "socialism" or not using it is a binary function. You cannot use it and then hide behind "shades".

[Th'Pusher]

Using the word "socialism" or not using it is a binary function. You cannot use it and then hide behind "shades".

We're back to the argument you already lost. Name a society that has ever existed that had no socialistic policy.

You can't.

So, every governed society that has ever existed was a socialist society with varying degrees of deviation from socialism.

Great. But, what's your fucking point?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Anyone want to make a thread about capitalism in action in Somalia while we're at it?

Or Singapore. Capitalists were actually able to get all of the laissez faire policies there they wanted.

Then of course you can look to history from 1850-1930 and how well that worked.

[Chucho]

Not socialism's fault. It was corruption and mismanagement by Chavez's gang.

Social democracies in Europe are working better than uncontrolled capitalism in USA.

Repugs will make US capitalism work much worse for the 99% ASAP.


Name a few successful examples of socialism working in countries with more than 10 million people aside from it working for 10 years in Nazi Germany.


It's sheer volume and logistics as to why socialism won't work in the US and there's a reason why Japan and the US are the only "top ten" countries with more than 100 million people. Throw in the fact that most American's over value themselves, are greedy, fat and lazy and also absurdly secular. It would never work unless we spent a few decades as a worn-torn, 3rd world and forget how good we have it here.

[baseline bum]

Name a few successful examples of socialism working in countries with more than 10 million people aside from it working for 10 years in Nazi Germany.


It's sheer volume and logistics as to why socialism won't work in the US and there's a reason why Japan and the US are the only "top ten" countries with more than 100 million people. Throw in the fact that most American's over value themselves, are greedy, fat and lazy and also absurdly secular. It would never work unless we spent a few decades as a worn-torn, 3rd world and forget how good we have it here.

You're a jeebotard too? :lmao

[baseline bum]

Absurdly secular :lmao

Yeah let's be a theocracy like Saudi Arabia or Iran

[Chucho]

Absurdly secular :lmao

Yeah let's be a theocracy like Saudi Arabia or Iran


You can't make people work cohesively all for "equality" when the society is more people of faith than not. Openly bigoted people like you can't even bare to coexist with secular people, so how would socialism work in this country? The vast majority of the country are of some form of religion.

And I didn't insinuate at all that theocracy would work, you're creating premises to insult me and show you're unabashed bigotry. If being a bigot who has to resort to open misinterpretation to spread their hatred is what you do, good for you. I'm cool not being a bigot going out of their way to spread hate.

[baseline bum]

You can't make people work cohesively all for "equality" when the society is more people of faith than not. Openly bigoted people like you can't even bare to coexist with secular people, so how would socialism work in this country? The vast majority of the country are of some form of religion.

And I didn't insinuate at all that theocracy would work, you're creating premises to insult me and show you're unabashed bigotry. If being a bigot who has to resort to open misinterpretation to spread their hatred is what you do, good for you. I'm cool not being a bigot going out of their way to spread hate.

How deep from your ass did you have to pull those two paragraphs son?

[Chucho]

I've no reply, so here's Post 61,200


Keep on ChumpDumpin', sweetie.

[z0sa]

You can't make people work cohesively all for "equality" when the society is more people of faith than not. Openly bigoted people like you can't even bare to coexist with secular people, so how would socialism work in this country? The vast majority of the country are of some form of religion.

And I didn't insinuate at all that theocracy would work, you're creating premises to insult me and show you're unabashed bigotry. If being a bigot who has to resort to open misinterpretation to spread their hatred is what you do, good for you. I'm cool not being a bigot going out of their way to spread hate.

A legitimate form of modern (libertarian) democratic socialism would include freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, the right to bear arms, personal property rights etc. the fundamental difference is economic.

There has never been a truly democratic socialist state to date. This is partly because there has never been a leader as willing to relinquish their personal vision and influence utterly to the hands of the people like George Washington did, IMO. Among myruad other reasons, mostly economic.

[baseline bum]

Keep on ChumpDumpin', sweetie.

You know ChumpDumper? I thought you were pretty new here, he hasn't posted in a while. So the Chucho account is some other disgraced poster's sock puppet?

[DMC]

We're back to the argument you already lost. Name a society that has ever existed that had no socialistic policy.

You can't.

So, every governed society that has ever existed was a socialist society with varying degrees of deviation from socialism.

Great. But, what's your fucking point?

Why, you'll just get upset and quit again.

[pgardn]

Using the word "socialism" or not using it is a binary function. You cannot use it and then hide behind "shades".

When you use a word like socialism to describe an entire country /government... you play a binary game. Get to Europe and then come back and explain.

[DarrinS]

To be fair, Bernie always touted the sicialism of Scandinavia. We'll check back on their flavor of socialism after some decades after their cultural enrichment experiment.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao calling America absurdly secular....the US has significantly more religiosity than any other modern country in the world.

[spurraider21]

To be fair, Bernie always touted the sicialism of Scandinavia. We'll check back on their flavor of socialism after some decades after their cultural enrichment experiment.
He looks to them for examples of healthcare and education being socialized. What does that have to do with immigration/cultural experiments?

Anytime somebody praises something unrelated about sweden the response is "but their Muslim rapes!"

[DMC]

When you use a word like socialism to describe an entire country /government... you play a binary game. Get to Europe and then come back and explain.

You think I haven't been to Europe? :lol

[Th'Pusher]

Why, you'll just get upset and quit again.

Like you just did?

[DMC]

Like you just did?

I answered your question, but you chose the last line of my answer, that I didn't believe you, and in a huff you ran off and quit, again.

The 2nd party doesn't also quit after you've forfeited already.

[ElNono]

This type of discussion reminds me of how some Muslims claim Islam is a religion of peace yet the fundamental aspect of it is anything but. The fundamental aspect of socialism is wealth redistribution by the community leaders (i.e. government). Having aspects of socialism isn't the same as having socialism, by the very definition of socialism.

There's not a lot of shades to it. There's deviation from it. Same with religion. You either have the fundamental religion or you deviate from it. There's not different shades of it. That's a euphemism that tends to soften the truth.

That's not an euphemism, it's simply avoiding generalization when it's not warranted. There's been socialist parties all around the world since the 1800's that are still around today, and have undergone transformations from straight up Marxism to being perfectly fine with a capitalist economy, as long as there's a social justice component (which is literally what's known as Social democracies nowadays). The SPD in Germany would be a fine example of that. On the other hand, you do have cases where socialism is used as an economic, and even political policy, and then you'll find the Chavez, Maduro, etc.

I don't particularly disagree with the notion that 'by definition' socialism isn't the same as what you call 'deviations'. Although some of those 'deviations' are more like a subset, than actual deviation (ie: the social component of the philosophy). In essence, they don't apply the entire spectrum of socialism, but are still called the same, which is why generalizations are just silly. ie: lumping together the Nordic Model with Venezuela is like comparing apples to oranges, tbh...

[ElNono]

He looks to them for examples of healthcare and education being socialized. What does that have to do with immigration/cultural experiments?

Anytime somebody praises something unrelated about sweden the response is "but their Muslim rapes!"

It should be said, however, that Social Democracies are much easier to build when you have a relatively homogeneous group of people. It would be damn near impossible to put something together here with the current political and racial vitriol.

Immigrants matter, because the sustainability of that system can be tilted by mass immigration (they're still a capitalist economy, but with a much bigger social safety net). So, we'll see.

[pgardn]

You think I haven't been to Europe? :lol

Were you were alert or comfortably numb?

[Th'Pusher]

I answered your question, but you chose the last line of my answer, that I didn't believe you, and in a huff you ran off and quit, again.

The 2nd party doesn't also quit after you've forfeited already.
You questioned my trustworthiness so I opted against a back and forth. It's fine. Others in this thread are doing a fine job handing your ass to you for your gratuitous simple-minded arguments. No need for me to pile on.

[ElNono]

The UK is in Europe and has very little of socialism about it (the NHS would probably be the outlier there). So let's not generalize in that aspect either, tbh... :lol

[Th'Pusher]

The UK is in Europe and has very little of socialism about it (the NHS would probably be the outlier there). So let's not generalize in that aspect either, tbh... :lol

According to DMC any forced wealth transfer is socialism, so all states are socialist. There are no shades of socialism. It's binary. Youre either a socialist state or not.

This is why DMC never wins an argument. He stakes out the binary untenable positions.

[DMC]

That's not an euphemism, it's simply avoiding generalization when it's not warranted. There's been socialist parties all around the world since the 1800's that are still around today, and have undergone transformations from straight up Marxism to being perfectly fine with a capitalist economy, as long as there's a social justice component (which is literally what's known as Social democracies nowadays). The SPD in Germany would be a fine example of that. On the other hand, you do have cases where socialism is used as an economic, and even political policy, and then you'll find the Chavez, Maduro, etc.

I don't particularly disagree with the notion that 'by definition' socialism isn't the same as what you call 'deviations'. Although some of those 'deviations' are more like a subset, than actual deviation (ie: the social component of the philosophy). In essence, they don't apply the entire spectrum of socialism, but are still called the same, which is why generalizations are just silly. ie: lumping together the Nordic Model with Venezuela is like comparing apples to oranges, tbh...

It's like calling a bolt a screw. They look similar and serve similar functions but they aren't interchangeable so they aren't the same. So if someone says you're espousing socialism because you're talking about something like social security or public transportation then they should be dismissed as over-eager. However when someone tries to say socialism works and then uses public transportation or some other socialistic policy then it's completely misleading and wrong. Social democracy works within a framework of capitalism, and capitalism is the antithesis of socialism. How then can social democracy be a form of socialism? It's like saying a bisexual is a form of homosexual. It simply isn't, by definition, even if at some point it's still two people of the same sex being sexually attracted to one another. One could be homosexual, the other bisexual. It has more to do with "what else" than the component that can be cherry picked as a "subset".

The idea of socialism is fine, just like the idea of most well established forms of government. Like many others though, it breaks down once applied to humans.

[DMC]

According to DMC any forced wealth transfer is socialism, so all states are socialist. There are no shades of socialism. It's binary. Youre either a socialist state or not.

This is why DMC never wins an argument. He stakes out the binary untenable positions.

This is why you always lose/quit: you want an endless gradient to hide behind so you can never be wrong. I simply draw a line and defend it. You're a pussy who would do no such thing.

[DMC]

You questioned my trustworthiness so I opted against a back and forth. It's fine. Others in this thread are doing a fine job handing your ass to you for your gratuitous simple-minded arguments. No need for me to pile on.

Someone who can't afford a subscription to an online magazine and buys their appliances at 28% interest from rental centers isn't making a quarter mil a year.

[DMC]

Were you were alert or comfortably numb?

Yes

[pgardn]

Yes

Exactly.

[Th'Pusher]

This is why you always lose/quit: you want an endless gradient to hide behind so you can never be wrong. I simply draw a line and defend it. You're a pussy who would do no such thing.

i literally have never lost an argument to you. Both you and I know this.

You genrally draw the line (with the exception of your argument that CHL is unconstitutional which devolved into, CHL is actually constitutional unless it's implemented in the very unique way Texas chose to implemented it) but you can't defend it successfully. Take your argument that there should be no forced wealth transfer. Another binary position, completely indefensible for which you could not provide a single historical example of that policy being employed successfully.

You completly shit the the bed with your arguement that the profit motive drives innovation in the modern pharmacutical industry. :lol chemical elements discovered by country.

You do stake out hardline positions, but you have repeatedly failed to effectively defend them.

[Th'Pusher]

Someone who can't afford a subscription to an online magazine and buys their appliances at 28% interest from rental centers isn't making a quarter mil a year.

Fake news

[DMC]

i literally have never lost an argument to you. Both you and I know this.

You genrally draw the line (with the exception of your argument that CHL is unconstitutional which devolved into, CHL is actually constitutional unless it's implemented in the very unique way Texas chose Tom implemented it) but you can't defend it successfully. Take your argument that there should be no forced wealth transfer. Another binary position, completely indefensible for which you could not provide a single historical example of that policy being employed successfully.

You completly shit the the bed with your arguement that the profit motive drives innovation in the modern pharmacutical industry. :lol chemical elements discovered by country.

You do stake out hardline positions, but you have repeatedly failed to effectively defend them.
Sorry, you'll need to slow down, wipe your mouth and try again. Clean that shit up. It's almost illegible.

[DMC]

Fake news

Sure :lol

[DMC]

Exactly.

Your question made no sense.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I see that DMC has now converted to trying to measure dick size by income and similar meaningless drivel in place of arguing merit. It doesn't look like he is trying to compensate. Really. :rolleyes

[DMC]

^Says the faggot who claimed he has me on ignore. Can't stop talking about me.

:lol rent free

[Th'Pusher]

Sorry, you'll need to slow down, wipe your mouth and try again. Clean that shit up. It's almost illegible.

Your capitulation is duly noted.

Or was it the thought I put in parentheses that confused you?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I was able to read pusher's post easily. Reading is FUNdamental.

[DMC]

Your capitulation is duly noted.

Or was it the thought I put in parentheses that confused you?

:lol quitting when I challenged your income statement


Say I have $50 sitting in a savings account. Where would you put it outside of the stock market?

Home improvement?
Rental property?
Lottery tickets?


Sarah Palin with sarahpalinchannel.com.

Glenn Beck with theblazetv.com

Ron Paul with ronpaulchannel.com

seriously. What kind of god forsaken morons pay $10 a month for this shit?

I like to read an article that requires a subscription, so wondering is anyone can post it here.

6 figure salary :lol (when they use that term you know the 1st figure is a 1)

[DMC]

I was able to read pusher's post easily. Reading is FUNdamental.

Mine too else you couldn't have responded to what you just responded to.

:lol faggot and a liar

[ElNono]

It's like calling a bolt a screw. They look similar and serve similar functions but they aren't interchangeable so they aren't the same. So if someone says you're espousing socialism because you're talking about something like social security or public transportation then they should be dismissed as over-eager. However when someone tries to say socialism works and then uses public transportation or some other socialistic policy then it's completely misleading and wrong. Social democracy works within a framework of capitalism, and capitalism is the antithesis of socialism. How then can social democracy be a form of socialism? It's like saying a bisexual is a form of homosexual. It simply isn't, by definition, even if at some point it's still two people of the same sex being sexually attracted to one another. One could be homosexual, the other bisexual. It has more to do with "what else" than the component that can be cherry picked as a "subset".

The idea of socialism is fine, just like the idea of most well established forms of government. Like many others though, it breaks down once applied to humans.

I'm not the one equating social democracies with socialism, but it would be fairly disingenuous to state that, at least in the US, the connection isn't routinely made, at least when some aspect of the ideology applies. I think we agree in the sense that it shouldn't really be equated.

When it comes to ideologies or philosophies, it's actually pretty normal to see humans picking and choosing subsets. There's countless cases of people being conservative in economic policy and liberal in social policies (or some other combos), and there's nothing wrong with it. They would probably be called 'independents' or 'leaning-xxxx' or something else.

I tend to agree that socialism 'by the book' is largely unworkable, tbh, but, even though I prefer capitalism myself, it too fails regularly due to somewhat the same systemic problems (corruption seems to be the enemy of all systems, tbh). That's probably a different can of worms and a longer topic (and certainly touches other areas like fiscal conservatism), but let's just say the US is certainly fortunate to have won WWII, and only have sovereign debt...

good chat :tu

[z0sa]

It's like calling a bolt a screw. They look similar and serve similar functions but they aren't interchangeable so they aren't the same. So if someone says you're espousing socialism because you're talking about something like social security or public transportation then they should be dismissed as over-eager. However when someone tries to say socialism works and then uses public transportation or some other socialistic policy then it's completely misleading and wrong. Social democracy works within a framework of capitalism, and capitalism is the antithesis of socialism. How then can social democracy be a form of socialism? It's like saying a bisexual is a form of homosexual. It simply isn't, by definition, even if at some point it's still two people of the same sex being sexually attracted to one another. One could be homosexual, the other bisexual. It has more to do with "what else" than the component that can be cherry picked as a "subset".

The idea of socialism is fine, just like the idea of most well established forms of government. Like many others though, it breaks down once applied to humans.

Marxism is socialism on paper. An actual democratic socialist govt wouldnt guarantee jobs for everyone, for example. Theres no escape from supply and demand, for the foreseeable future. The difference between capitalism and socialism is the transparency of private business when required a public eye. This is why overpowerful unions would not be socialist in practice. The union would be essential to business, and business the lawful automatic creator of unions. They should be checking and balancing eachother equally

[Th'Pusher]

:lol quitting when I challenged your income statement






6 figure salary :lol (when they use that term you know the 1st figure is a 1)

You know he's upset when he starts rummaging through your post history. Good chat :tu

[pgardn]

Your question made no sense.

You answered you were alert while comfortably numb in Europe.

You tow the same basic conservative line. Label socialism to anything that scares you. Then find a story on a death in a Norwegian hospital to back up your claim.

"Get the government out of governing."
Just get to the point. Its easy for you.

[in2deep]

Mine too else you couldn't have responded to what you just responded to.

:lol faggot and a liar

:lmao. This Fuzzy fella sounds like a real bright prospect :lol

[DarrinS]

I see that DMC has now converted to trying to measure dick size by income and similar meaningless drivel in place of arguing merit. It doesn't look like he is trying to compensate. Really. :rolleyes



^Says the faggot who claimed he has me on ignore. Can't stop talking about me.

:lol rent free




I was able to read pusher's post easily. Reading is FUNdamental.




Mine too else you couldn't have responded to what you just responded to.

:lol faggot and a liar


:lol

[SnakeBoy]

Mine too else you couldn't have responded to what you just responded to.

:lol faggot and a liar

:lmao

Poor Fuzzy

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Some people are apparently too stupid to figure out what the quote function does. The sense of accomplishment that was on display when I read your posts indicates that the function is still working properly. What a fucking loser.

Yoni of course is there to fellate any blue team member making an effort.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Mine too else you couldn't have responded to what you just responded to.

:lol faggot and a liar
Must have turned scripts back on. Just this time though, just this one time. :lol

[DMC]

You know he's upset when he starts rummaging through your post history. Good chat :tu

6 figure salary :lol

[DMC]

You answered you were alert while comfortably numb in Europe.

You tow the same basic conservative line. Label socialism to anything that scares you. Then find a story on a death in a Norwegian hospital to back up your claim.

"Get the government out of governing."
Just get to the point. Its easy for you.

Read your question again.

I never found any story of death an any Norwegian hospital. You try to fit everyone into neat little categories then accuse me of binary thinking.

I'm pretty sure you're suffering from some form of over indulgence somewhere along your lineage.