Papers please: domestic travelers asked for ID by CBP

[Winehole23]

Upon deplaning from Delta Flight 1583 (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL1583/history/20170222/1945Z/KSFO/KJFK) in New York, passenger Anne Garrett tweeted (https://twitter.com/annediego/status/834572312317923328), "We were told we couldn't disembark without showing our 'documents.'"


Another passenger, Matt O'Rourke, snapped a similar picture (https://twitter.com/brittontaylor/status/834600160281841665). O'Rourke tells Rolling Stone that the Delta flight attendant alerted passengers, "You'll need to show your papers to agents waiting outside the door."


"She was weirded out by it," he says. The agents, O'Rourke says, said nothing to him, but took his ID and scrutinized it for nearly 30 seconds before letting him pass. He describes the experience as "a little bit alarming." Only later did O'Rourke find himself asking, "Why is a customs agent doing this search? The flight didn't enter from another country."


In a statement to Rolling Stone, a spokesperson for CBP said the agency had been asked "to assist in locating an individual possibly aboard Delta flight 1583" who had been "ordered removed by an immigration judge." The spokesman added that CBP agents "requested identification from those on the flight" but that ultimately "[t]he individual was determined not to be on the flight."


Rolling Stone asked CBP to point to its statutory authority to stop and examine the identity documents of deplaning domestic passengers. The spokesman sent a link to a document titled CBP Search Authority (https://www.cbp.gov/travel/cbp-search-authority). The document refers to CBP's authority to inspect international arrivals. Specifically, it cites 19 C.F.R. 162.6, which states, "All persons, baggage and merchandise arriving in the Customs territory of the United States from places outside thereof are liable to inspection by a CBP officer." The CBP document adds: "CBP has the authority to collect passenger name record information on all travelers entering or leaving the United States." (Emphasis added.)


Asked to clarify CBP's authority over domestic passengers, the spokesman replied that "at this time this is all I have."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/border-patrol-agents-stop-domestic-travelers-at-new-york-airport-w468643

[Winehole23]

Rolling Stone asked CBP to clarify whether the CBP document search was truly a "request" – or instead a legally binding demand by the agents. The spokesman again could not clarify CBP's legal authority, warning only, "It is always best to cooperate with law enforcement, so as to expedite your exiting the airport in a timely manner."

[Blake]

So they're upset for having their IDs scrutinized for 30 seconds?

Meh. What pisses me off at San Antonio Airport is having to take shoes off when going through the metal detector

[boutons_deux]

So they're upset for having their IDs scrutinized for 30 seconds?

Meh. What pisses me off at San Antonio Airport is having to take shoes off when going through the metal detector

not required as of yesterday morning, at least.

30 seconds added to 100+ passengers exiting is 50 minutes, easily enough to miss your connection.

[Winehole23]

So they're upset for having their IDs scrutinized for 30 seconds?

Meh.It was illegal. CBP doesn't have authority over domestic travelers.

[boutons_deux]

It was illegal. CBP doesn't have authority over domestic travelers.

I read where CBP has total authority (no Constitution, since the Constitution only applies to US citizens) within 100 mi, or 200 mi?, of the border. iow, if the judge says go get an alien on a plane, the US citizens "inconvenienced" are just collateral damage obstructions.

[Winehole23]

https://arstechnica.com/video/2017/02/ars-technica-live-what-to-do-when-border-officials-ask-for-your-passwords/

[Winehole23]

imagine a declared state of emergency, like France:


Human rights in France (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/France)are at “a tipping point” as the government expands police powers in the wake of a wave of Isis (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/isis)-inspired terror attacks, a report has warned.


Parliament has voted to extend the country’s ongoing state of emergency five times since 130 people were massacred by militants in Paris in November 2015 (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/paris-attacks).


It affords security services exceptional powers including the ability to place anyone deemed to be a security risk under house arrest, dissolve groups thought to be a threat to public order, carry out searches without judicial warrants and block any websites that “encourage” terrorism.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-state-of-emergency-extended-latest-human-rights-law-isis-amnesty-international-report-a7595251.html

[Blake]

It was illegal. CBP doesn't have authority over domestic travelers.

It was law enforcement asking for an ID.

it might have been unnerving but not a big deal.

Again, I feel more violated just going through initial security to get on the plane. .....where they also routinely ask for ID

[Winehole23]

LE exercising unlawful authority is a big deal regardless of what you think.

[Blake]

LE exercising unlawful authority is a big deal regardless of what you think.

You'll have to show exactly how it's unlawful. I think were it to go to court that there is enough precedence to allow it.

Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada

[hater]

Pigs do dis shit in the hoods aound the country on a daily basis

Im glad crackas and other white fat necks will experience this from now on

Trump making everyone equal

[hater]

"But I got a meeting to run to..."

"Shut the fuck up nerd and show me your papers"

:lol

[Winehole23]

Pigs do dis shit in the hoods aound the country on a daily basis

Im glad crackas and other white fat necks will experience this from now on

Trump making everyone equalyour definition of fairness is the police violating everyone's rights, a police state.

not sure why that makes you feel so jolly.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If I was a terrorist I would want to do something of significance just to see the dramatic despotic overreaction that the Trump administration would have.

[hater]

your definition of fairness is the police violating everyone's rights, a police state.

not sure why that makes you feel so jolly.

It was already a police state in the ghettos. Its a good thing now its everywhere for equalitys sake

Sure it would be preferable no police state anywhere but we know that has zero chance of happening

[hater]

If I was a terrorist I would want to do something of significance just to see the dramatic despotic overreaction that the Trump administration would have.

Cants disagree with this. Looks like Donnie is licking his chols waiting for something anything to happen. Maybe even praying

[Blake]

Cants disagree with this. Looks like Donnie is licking his chols waiting for something anything to happen. Maybe even praying

His popularity would skyrocket just the same as Ws did post-9/11

[Winehole23]

and you might be asked for your papers 20 times a day. how would that suit you, Blake?

[Blake]

and you might be asked for your papers 20 times a day. how would that suit you, Blake?

20 times a day? That slippery slope sure slipped fast and far.

They'd better have probable cause or I'm suing for harassment.

[Thread]

20 times a day? That slippery slope sure slipped fast and far.

They'd better have probable cause or I'm suing for harassment.

The hole is just full of shit.

[z0sa]

Fucking fascists.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Meh. What pisses me off at San Antonio Airport is having to take shoes off when going through the metal detector
Wear flip flops.

[Blake]

Wear flip flops.

I wore mandals this last time. It still blows walking barefoot through the detector.

While collecting my things I asked the tsa agent if they regularly mop the floor. She just laughed. It's not right.

[Thread]

Fucking fascists.

& you forgot to say "Hitler."

tee, hee.

[StrengthAndHonor]

I wore mandals this last time. It still blows walking barefoot through the detector.

While collecting my things I asked the tsa agent if they regularly mop the floor. She just laughed. It's not right.
LMAO

[Thread]

I wore mandals this last time. It still blows walking barefoot through the detector.

While collecting my things I asked the tsa agent if they regularly mop the floor. She just laughed. It's not right.

They got half my cash wad two years ago. $80 down the drain. I didn't even bother going back and calling 'em on it. I took it like a trouper.

[Winehole23]

The son of legendary boxer Muhammad Ali was detained for hours (http://cjky.it/2mgxj5G) by immigration officials earlier this month at a Florida airport, according to a family friend.


Muhammad Ali Jr., 44, and his mother, Khalilah Camacho-Ali, the first wife of Muhammad Ali, were arriving at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport on Feb. 7 after returning from speaking at a Black History Month event in Montego Bay, Jamaica. They were pulled aside while going through customs because of their Arabic-sounding names, according to family friend and lawyer Chris Mancini.


Immigration officials let Camacho-Ali go after she showed them a photo of herself with her ex-husband, but her son did not have such a photo and wasn't as lucky. Mancini said officials held and questioned Ali Jr. for nearly two hours, repeatedly asking him, "Where did you get your name from?" and "Are you Muslim?"

Arbitrary and cruel treatment of good Americans is what roided up immigration enforcement will lead to. Hell, it's already happening.

Won't keep us safe, tramples the rights of citizens and stains the reputation of the USA.

[Winehole23]

family members of US forces to be deported under new guidelines?

http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/parole-in-place-immigration-trump-uncertainty

[Winehole23]

Trump's haste to fulfill promises has real consequences for good guys too.

[Winehole23]

Expedited deportation is a recipe for deporting US citizens with funny names or the wrong skin color, who don't happen to be carrying ID.

Matter of if when, not if the way things are going.

[140]

"But I got a meeting to run to..."

"Shut the fuck up nerd and show me your papers"

:lol
:lol

[boutons_deux]

muhammed ali jr stopped at airport for 2 hours. "are u muslim?"

[boutons_deux]

Bannon's SS now fully deployed, harassing Muslims, professors, authors

[UNT Eagles 2016]

not required as of yesterday morning, at least.

30 seconds added to 100+ passengers exiting is 50 minutes, easily enough to miss your connection.
The whole point of flying is to shell out to save time, if you're going to get fucked over like that AND pay $500/flight, you might as well just drive.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

imagine a declared state of emergency, like France:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-state-of-emergency-extended-latest-human-rights-law-isis-amnesty-international-report-a7595251.html
:cry "human rights"
:cry waaaaaaaaaaaah ahan ahan waaaaaaaaaaaah
:cry security is so mean
:cry just let them all in
:cry let's hug terrorists, not shun them
:cry patriotism is sooooo mean
:cry waaaaaaaaaaah

[DMC]

If I was a terrorist I would want to do something of significance just to see the dramatic despotic overreaction that the Trump administration would have.

If you were a terrorist you'd just block everyone from your liberal homo blog and call yourself the winner. I suppose most terrorists want to do something insignificant, like blow up a shopping cart on a deserted street.

[DMC]

I have TSA precheck and never get harassed in Canada or anywhere else I travel due to all the clearances I have.

It's amusing to see all these folks who are so easily doxxed online complain about invasion of privacy by LE in airports. You willingly gave all your information to a survey at JC Penny, and you aren't "off the grid" no matter how much you think you are. So shut up and show that ID.

[CosmicCowboy]

So they're upset for having their IDs scrutinized for 30 seconds?

Meh. What pisses me off at San Antonio Airport is having to take shoes off when going through the metal detector

Then get pre-screened, tightwad.

https://www.tsa.gov/precheck

[Blake]

Then get pre-screened, tightwad.

https://www.tsa.gov/precheck

Lol tightwad

Meh, I might do it but I don't really fly enough at the moment for it to be a real nuisance.

[Winehole23]

:cry "human rights"
:cry waaaaaaaaaaaah ahan ahan waaaaaaaaaaaah
:cry security is so mean
:cry just let them all in
:cry let's hug terrorists, not shun them
:cry patriotism is sooooo mean
:cry waaaaaaaaaaahTexas A&M was embarrassed and apparently so was CBP: they folded like cheap lawn furniture.

There was nothing patriotic about some dimwit detaining a foreign scholar who already had permission to be here, just because he was born in Egypt.

[Winehole23]

Discouraging foreigners from coming to the USA has a lot of economic downside and not much public safety upside; foriegn visitors/immigrants barely move the needle on crime in general or terrorism in particular. most perps are native citizens.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Discouraging foreigners from coming to the USA has a lot of economic downside and not much public safety upside; foriegn visitors/immigrants barely move the needle on crime in general or terrorism in particular. most perps are native citizens.
agreed, most perps are black US citizens (crime, not terrorism)... should deport 'em back to Africa instead of deporting the egyptians and Iranians

[Winehole23]

deport US citizens to Africa?

[Winehole23]

seems very untraditional. putting blacks and Mexicans in prison is the more conventional thing.

[Winehole23]

do you think other criminals should be deported too, or just blacks and Mexicans?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't know what is worse: the race delusion or the god delusion.

[boutons_deux]

do you think other criminals should be deported too, or just blacks and Mexicans?

...will be telling if Euro-whites with over-stayed visas are not pulled out hospitals, churches, etc, shackled and dumped in a for-profit cattle pens.