Spurs Salaries: 2017-2018 Edition

[Chinook]

Does anybody mind if I just don’t do a thread for 2016-2017 at this point?



Name
2017-18


LaMarcus Aldridge
$21,461,010


Kawhi Leonard
$18,868,625


Pau Gasol
$16,197,500


Tony Parker
$15,453,126


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Patty Mills (HOLD)
$6,800,001


Dewayne Dedmon
$8,406,000


Tim Duncan (stretched)
$1,881,250


David Lee
$3,290,000


Kyle Anderson
$2,151,704


Dejounte Murray
$1,312,611


Livio Jean-Charles (waived)
$1,035,200


Jonathan Simmons (QO)
$1,676,735


Davis Bertans
$1,312,611


Bryn Forbes
$1,312,611


First-Rounder
$1,697,225


Milutinov?
$1,832,075


Second-Rounder
$815,615


Rookie
$815,615






Calculated Total
$116,319,514


Luxury Tax:
$122,000,000






Room Under Tax:
$5,680,486



So that’s the best I’ve come up with looking at the current salary estimates (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/) from Basketball Insiders, RealGM's projections (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/salary_cap) for exceptions and holds under the new CBA and this article (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2016/12/15/a-deeper-look-inside-the-nbas-new-collective-bargaining-agreement/?utm_term=.43f0d2e4a071) from the Washington Post detailing the new increases that either of the first two sources had. Hopefully, there aren't any increases that I missed, because the team really can't stand to have them.

The $4.1 Million is the money the Spurs have to turn Patty’s and Simmons’ holds into real contracts. The outlook for them staying under the tax doesn’t look great. The saving grace is that the team can get back a couple million by essentially keeping their final two guys in Austin and taking the low half of the split. However, you obviously want to budget for the worst-case scenario. The Spurs could also save $400k or so by stashing Milutinov another year and signing a min guy.
As far as Lee’s and Dedmon’s salaries go, those are the just full MLE and full LLE. Even if it’s not spent on those two guys specifically, those contract slots should be used. Losing one or both of them probably won’t change these numbers too much. In case people are wondering, the Spurs could opt to use cap space on Dedmon or a different player and use the room MLE on Lee or someone else, but the salary slots would only change by a million or so each, and it would come at the loss of Mills and Simmons. Probably would only happen in desperate measures.
Also, Kyle and Murray are both actually getting boosts that won’t count against the cap. Murray will end up making almost $2 Million more. So good for them. Milutinov’s increase WILL count against the cap whenever he signs, however, because the scale is based on the year you sign, not the year you’re drafted. Shame.

Still paying homage to Bruno’s old threads:


The Luxury Tax:

What is the luxury tax?
The luxury tax is a mechanism whose first goal is to reduce the differences between the richest and the poorest franchises by penalizing teams that overspend the others teams. Penalties have considerably raise with the new CBA to make it very expensive for teams to go way over the luxury tax threshold.
For more details, check Larry Coon's CBA FAQ (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q21) .

The triple penalty system:
A team above the tax is three time penalized. First, they had to pay the luxury tax. Second, they don't get a share of the luxury tax money given by the NBA to teams. Third, it makes it more likely to have to pay the repeater tax in the future.
The last two effects push teams that are just above the tax threshold to go under it.

[apalisoc_9]

Do First and Second Rounders get accounted for in the cap if they are stashed?

[apalisoc_9]

Also, I am 100 sure Simmons is a gonner. He's a RFA that would get about 5-7 a year. PATFO is not going to pay that kind of money for him.

[Chinook]

Do First and Second Rounders get accounted for in the cap if they are stashed?

They don't, but the second-rounder is only a min deal, so it can't go away. If anything, it would go up if the Spurs signed a vet with the money. It would actually cost money to replace that with a vet. Speaking of that, I was actually off on my numbers for the second rounder and rookie slots. The hold is $815,615, not $1,471,382, also Forbes and Bertans should count as $1,312,611 each. All that gives the team like $1.5 Million in extra space. Not nothing, considering how tight they are. Between that and keeping the split guys in Austin most of the year, they probably have enough to give Simmons and Patty pretty decent contracts.

Also, I am 100 sure Simmons is a gonner. He's a RFA that would get about 5-7 a year. PATFO is not going to pay that kind of money for him.

I would agree normally. But him and Manu walking with no one Murray, picks and min contracts to replace them would be hard to imagine. Moving on from Simmons would give the Spurs another $800k or so, which makes it completely possible to keep Mills.

[AaronY]

How much is the MLE gonna be?

[apalisoc_9]

They don't, but the second-rounder is only a min deal, so it can't go away. If anything, it would go up if the Spurs signed a vet with the money. It would actually cost money to replace that with a vet. Speaking of that, I was actually off on my numbers for the second rounder and rookie slots. The hold is $815,615, not $1,471,382, also Forbes and Bertans should count as $1,312,611 each. All that gives the team like $1.5 Million in extra space. Not nothing, considering how tight they are. Between that and keeping the split guys in Austin most of the year, they probably have enough to give Simmons and Patty pretty decent contracts.


I would agree normally. But him and Manu walking with no one Murray, picks and min contracts to replace them would be hard to imagine. Moving on from Simmons would give the Spurs another $800k or so, which makes it completely possible to keep Mills.

Makes sense. I do think the spurs will try to keep simmons if they can get him below 7 million dollars, because there is zero difference really in a 5 million dollar capsapce and an 8 million. None of the players available at the start of the season will accept that cheap money. Maybe its useful for a mid-seasom trade but the spurs MO is always to try to complete the team at the start of the season.

That 800k won't make a difference.

Likely, they draft an SG..according to scouts, there's Gems around the 20th-35th draft.

- Increase simmons and Murray playtime by 5 minutes each and just increase Leonard's workload..

I suspect they will be operating under the cap next year to give them room for flexibility mid-season and the season after.

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[Chinook]

How much is the MLE gonna be?

Like $8.4 Million. The exact number is in the "Dedmon" slot.

[Chinook]

Makes sense. I do think the spurs will try to keep simmons if they can get him below 7 million dollars, because there is zero difference really in a 5 million dollar capsapce and an 8 million. None of the players available at the start of the season will accept that cheap money. Maybe its useful for a mid-seasom trade but the spurs MO is always to try to complete the team at the start of the season.

That 800k won't make a difference.

Likely, they draft an SG..according to scouts, there's Gems around the 20th-35th draft.

- Increase simmons and Murray playtime by 5 minutes each and just increase Leonard's workload..

I suspect they will be operating under the cap next year to give them room for flexibility mid-season and the season after.

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I think the new CBA combined with how underwhelming the new TV deal has been is going to screw the Spurs. The cap in 2018-2019 is projected only rise by a million or two. While Pau and Tony will fall off the books, with Green likely either opting in or re-signing and LMA potentially doing the same, guys like Mills and Dedmon may really damage the cap. When you add up those guys, you get something like $70-80 Million already tied up. And that's still a conservative estimate. Unless Anderson and/or Bertans become high-dollar guys, they likely will have cap space. But it could easily be like it was this past summer where the team pretty much stayed the course.

If they plan to use real cap space next summer, they'll likely be letting Mills, Simmons, Lee walk, if not Dedmon. Maybe Lee would take a one-year deal and Simmons takes a one-and-one to prove himself. But if they want to be even mildly competitive next season, they may not have a choice but to spend

[SAGirl]

Also, I am 100 sure Simmons is a gonner. He's a RFA that would get about 5-7 a year. PATFO is not going to pay that kind of money for him.
I tenD to agree but then he looks to be easier to retain than a guy like Mills.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Great work Chinook.

It seems more and more likely the Spurs will stay over the cap and use the MLE and LLE to work with. Teams will have much less money to spend compared to last summer, especially with the increased values of rookie and min deals, so I don't expect to see that much player movement and it might also mean some decent players will have to accept lesser deals. A lot of teams will be unsure how the market projects in the next couple of seasons before it settles and may make costly mistakes.

In the described scenario I don't see the Spurs spending the LLE on Lee, as Bertans could and should be promoted to the 4th big slot and the Spurs would have a bigger need in the backcourt with Manu possibly retiring and the likeliness that they couldn't keep both Simmons and Mills.

There's one more winkle, the plan for 2018 cap space doesn't look good, so if they scratch it they could create some cap space this summer by Pau opting out and signing a 2-year contract for less money. Unlikely, but still a possibility.

[SAGirl]

They don't, but the second-rounder is only a min deal, so it can't go away. If anything, it would go up if the Spurs signed a vet with the money. It would actually cost money to replace that with a vet. Speaking of that, I was actually off on my numbers for the second rounder and rookie slots. The hold is $815,615, not $1,471,382, also Forbes and Bertans should count as $1,312,611 each. All that gives the team like $1.5 Million in extra space. Not nothing, considering how tight they are. Between that and keeping the split guys in Austin most of the year, they probably have enough to give Simmons and Patty pretty decent contracts.


I would agree normally. But him and Manu walking with no one Murray, picks and min contracts to replace them would be hard to imagine. Moving on from Simmons would give the Spurs another $800k or so, which makes it completely possible to keep Mills.
Frankly I doubt they retain both Mills and Simmons. One of them walks and I go back and forth between them on who I think Spurs would spare. I initially thought Mills is more important but then he wants to start, and he probably will get sizable offers due to his production this season and through his career, and bc of the Spurs suspicious Plan B in Bryn Forbes who seems like insurance in case he walks.

They also have someone in Murray that can give you many similar things to Simmons taking into account some player development (and may be even better long term).

OTOH Simms looks to be the guy easier to retain bc he's a RFA and his poor shooting likely decreases the market for him. The point is though that I really doubt they can do both though, specially if they retain Dedmon.

Then it looks to me like Dedmon might actually be the casualty, bc 8 mill doesn't seem enough for a guy like him if it were to become evident that he could be starting in this league. Then you factor in Lee coming back too and it's tough to say bc of Davis. If Spurs want to open up playing time for Davis retaining this exact big rotation doesn't make sense either.

Although probably controversial, I think Kyle is a rotation player too in the right situation. Whether that's the Spurs or somewhere else who knows but he has lately been playing well and is also a casualty of lack of opportunities bc of a set rotation ahead of him.

Getting real production from Davis, Kyle, and Murray will go a long way towards allowing the Spurs to make choices in who to pay to fill up their holes. They won't be able to pay everyone. Some of the estimates there are too low.

[SAGirl]

I think the new CBA combined with how underwhelming the new TV deal has been is going to screw the Spurs. The cap in 2018-2019 is projected only rise by a million or two. While Pau and Tony will fall off the books, with Green likely either opting in or re-signing and LMA potentially doing the same, guys like Mills and Dedmon may really damage the cap. When you add up those guys, you get something like $70-80 Million already tied up. And that's still a conservative estimate. Unless Anderson and/or Bertans become high-dollar guys, they likely will have cap space. But it could easily be like it was this past summer where the team pretty much stayed the course.

If they plan to use real cap space next summer, they'll likely be letting Mills, Simmons, Lee walk, if not Dedmon. Maybe Lee would take a one-year deal and Simmons takes a one-and-one to prove himself. But if they want to be even mildly competitive next season, they may not have a choice but to spend
I doubt Simms takes a one and one just no way...

[bluebellmaniac]

Unloading Pau would seem to free up a lot of cap space. Would seem to allow us to plug more holes with quality than losing him would create.

[cd021]

I doubt Simms takes a one and one just no way...

I could Brooklyn going after him, they have at least $30 million and are in desperate need of actually NBA players. Mills would probably also make sense for them too. I'm okay with Simmons walking if the Spurs can retain Mills and Dedmon. Anderson still can't shoot but can fill minutes on the wing, though i;d prefer him at the four.

Mills,
Murray/Forbes
Anderson
Lee/Bertans
Dedmon/ Gasol (whichever doesn't start)

would probably be the bench unit next season.

[SAGirl]

I could Brooklyn going after him, they have at least $30 million and are in desperate need of actually NBA players. Mills would probably also make sense for them too. I'm okay with Simmons walking if the Spurs can retain Mills and Dedmon. Anderson still can't shoot but can fill minutes on the wing, though i;d prefer him at the four.

Mills,
Murray/Forbes
Anderson
Lee/Bertans
Dedmon/ Gasol (whichever doesn't start)

would probably be the bench unit next season.

They could draft a wing, bring up Hanga (can't shoot either but neither can Simmons and he will get paid). I would rather they got someone who could shoot bc Ginobili has been shooting well and once he retires you'd lose a lot of shooting and spacing in the bench. However, if you switch Lee with Davis Bertans you have an extra shooter playing that isn't in the regular rotation right now. So as much as fans love Lee I wonder about his fit long term. He's blocking Davis from playing time. Maybe the Spurs keep Davis as the 5th big a second season but they need his shooting and he's played well, so I find it tough to keep both Dedmon and Lee and let both Mills and Simmons walk. The team is already frontcourt heavy and will be even more so.

[TXstbobcat]

Unloading Pau would seem to free up a lot of cap space. Would seem to allow us to plug more holes with quality than losing him would create.

Pau has said that he is opting in to his player option for next season.

[CGD]

Thanks for this. Been eagerly waiting for a centralized place for this discussion. This summer looks tricky.

Couple questions about the mechanics of improving the roster:

1. Does Manu have a hold until he decides to retire (assuming he hangs them up)?

2. Based on the math above, do we have a sense of what would be too rich to keep Mills?

3. Is there any upside to operating under the cap as opposed to using the exceptions? In other words, would "refinancing" Pau for a 30/3 deal with first year starting at 9m help? I'm assuming in that scenario that both DD and Gasol opt out creating about 19m in space, and that Mills takes a lucrative offer elsewhere.

[CGD]

The other approach is to re-sign your guys and move them for assets at a future time. For example, Simmons or Lee on good contracts might be able to fetch a nice peice or pick at next year's trade deadline.

The other peice is Green. He's very valuable for the team as constructed, but i wonder if he's not a peice to move sooner rather than later to maximize possible return and ensure 2018 flexibility.

[BillMc]

Really nice work OP!:toast

[sasaint]

Pau has said that he is opting in to his player option for next season.

I think he means by "unloading" trading Pau once he has opted in. In the Forum there has also been some discussion that, assuming it was mutually agreeable, Pau might be persuaded to opt out and later sign a contract for more years but less money per year.

[TXstbobcat]

I think he means by "unloading" trading Pau once he has opted in. In the Forum there has also been some discussion that, assuming it was mutually agreeable, Pau might be persuaded to opt out and later sign a contract for more years but less money per year.

I like that idea of saving some cap space by giving Pau less per year for additional years.

[bluebellmaniac]

I think he means by "unloading" trading Pau once he has opted in. In the Forum there has also been some discussion that, assuming it was mutually agreeable, Pau might be persuaded to opt out and later sign a contract for more years but less money per year.

This.

[bluebellmaniac]

Thanks for this. Been eagerly waiting for a centralized place for this discussion. This summer looks tricky.

Couple questions about the mechanics of improving the roster:

1. Does Manu have a hold until he decides to retire (assuming he hangs them up)?

2. Based on the math above, do we have a sense of what would be too rich to keep Mills?

3. Is there any upside to operating under the cap as opposed to using the exceptions? In other words, would "refinancing" Pau for a 30/3 deal with first year starting at 9m help? I'm assuming in that scenario that both DD and Gasol opt out creating about 19m in space, and that Mills takes a lucrative offer elsewhere.

In regards to #1, there is a hold, and it is still there even if he does retire. We would have to relinquish our rights to him to eliminate the hold.

[CGD]

I'm thinking they find a way to bring everyone back, pick a SG/SF in the draft, and, depending on how the playoffs go, explore shopping LMA, assets like Simmons/Mills, and getting something for Kyle by the next trade deadline.

[SAGirl]

I'm thinking they find a way to bring everyone back, pick a SG/SF in the draft, and, depending on how the playoffs go, explore shopping LMA, assets like Simmons/Mills, and getting something for Kyle by the next trade deadline.
With all of those changes you suggest they will make, it hardly loooks like bringing everyone back... hardly.

[CGD]

With all of those changes you suggest they will make, it hardly loooks like bringing everyone back... hardly.

I guess it all depends how close this roster turns out to be in the playoffs, and how LMA performs. Maybe Holt is OK paying the tax this summer if they're close; he's paid it before.

Also, there is some room (~5m) above the Mills cap hold and the Simmons QO (as listed above) to split between the two before they get the tax line, right? Below is a baseline that could avoid the tax, though, realistically they'd have to exceed the tax by a few million to keep both Simmons and Mills, and DD would need to be OK with he full MLE.

DD - MLE (8.4m)
Lee - LLE (3m)
Mills - Bird (8.8m)
Simmons - RFA match (4.6m)
Rookie - rookie scale
Multinov - stash one more year

[SAGirl]

Thanks for that summary.
also thanks to Chinook for starting the thread.
I don't think they will be able to retain everyone.
The money we are talking about is life changing and Simmons, Dedmon and Patty have never gotten the big contract. They would be wrong to leave money to stay in the Spurs bc they are all young but not younglings. This offseason may present their best chance at their best contract of their careers. Seriously I don't see them all coming back. Spurs will have to be selective.

Just IMO

[mo7888]

I think they have to be selective as well. The one unknown factor here is how well we do in the post season. I think that is going to determine who we target, who we keep, and just the total direction of the franchise.

[CGD]

In my heart of hearts I agree with you. It would be silly for any of these guys not to take an offer well above and beyond what the team can afford and whatever value they may ascribe to loyalty/preference for the Spurs, especially Patty who has already won a ring here and 2 dudes who are a season removed from scaping by in the D-League.

I guess part of me just wishes (wished?) we could have gotten something in return for what have shaped up to be really good assets that we may lose for nothing.

[CGD]

The Noel RFA negotiations are going to be an interesting bellwether for Dedmon's deal. Hopefully the underwhelming hual he got at the trade deadline is an indication of what's to come, especially with him being younger than Dedmon.

[sasaint]

The Noel RFA negotiations are going to be an interesting bellwether for Dedmon's deal. Hopefully the underwhelming hual he got at the trade deadline is an indication of what's to come, especially with him being younger than Dedmon.

Exactly!

[CGD]

Does anyone know what the max raises and years Dedmon could get for a full MLE offer? For example, could he end up getting 40/4 if he starts at 8.5?

[DAF86]

That Tony contract ended up being worse than originally predicted, tbh.

[cjw]

Does anyone know what the max raises and years Dedmon could get for a full MLE offer? For example, could he end up getting 40/4 if he starts at 8.5?

Should he 4.5% annual raises as Spurs don't have Bird rights. If it starts at 8.5 that means 8.5 / 8.88 / 9.28 / 9.7 which is close to $36.4mm. Not a lot. I imagine they'd give him a player option to sweeten the pot and at that point will have his Bird Rights (like they have now with Patty).

I see the Spurs keeping Patty unless a team throws something obscene at him given they have a reasonable cap hold on him.

A lot of this hinges on Gasol. For Manu, if he does want to come back it'd be awesome for him to take the LLE or something after his rights are renounced and he took an above market deal this year (it essentially didn't matter what he was paid for cap purposes).

[CGD]

Should he 4.5% annual raises as Spurs don't have Bird rights. If it starts at 8.5 that means 8.5 / 8.88 / 9.28 / 9.7 which is close to $36.4mm. Not a lot. I imagine they'd give him a player option to sweeten the pot and at that point will have his Bird Rights (like they have now with Patty).

I see the Spurs keeping Patty unless a team throws something obscene at him given they have a reasonable cap hold on him.

A lot of this hinges on Gasol. For Manu, if he does want to come back it'd be awesome for him to take the LLE or something after his rights are renounced and he took an above market deal this year (it essentially didn't matter what he was paid for cap purposes).

Thanks, yeah that's not a lot for Dedmon. The problem with the player option at the lower salary is that by the time he's at a decision point he'll be in his 30s. I'd probably want the longest paying contract now if I'm him.

[Chinook]

As a clarification, under the new CBA, raises have increased by .5 percent. So Dedmon's deal could contain up to a 5-percent increase.

[SAGirl]

The elephant in the room is that Gasol has too high a salary to be a bench player. He could be convinced to renegotiate his deal to fit Dedmon in. If Deadman becomes a key guy to retain like he seems trending to, Spurs will have to do what they must to keep him, including having that awkward conversation with Gasol about that subject.

[cjw]

As a clarification, under the new CBA, raises have increased by .5 percent. So Dedmon's deal could contain up to a 5-percent increase.

Thanks - knew I was forgetting something :toast

[bluebellmaniac]

When is Pau's deadline to opt-in?

[SAGirl]

By Erler, though this has been discussed plenty here in so many threads that it is not news.


With the team’s cap situation (http://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/cap/2017/) being what it is, the club will be forced to make some tough decisions this summer. Assuming Gasol opts in to the second year of his deal (it’s a mortal lock though I suspect the team wishes it wasn’t), the quintet of Leonard, Aldridge, Gasol, Parker and Green will account for 80.37 percent of the team’s available cap space for next season. Even if Ginobili retires and the team renounces Mills’ cap hold, they’re only going to have around $10 million in cap space, assuming Dedmon opts out of his deal, too. (Disclaimer: Jesus Gomez is a lot better at this cap stuff than I am, but I don’t think I’m too far off the mark here.)
Simply put, the Spurs are going to be able to afford just one between Dedmon, Mills and Jonathon Simmons (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/257503/jonathon-simmons), and perhaps none. I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt, because of PATFO’s track record, that they will be able to get creative enough or perhaps inspire enough loyalty to get a “hometown discount” from one of those three. So that’s another reason for them to give Dedmon as much playing time with the starters as possible, to see if it’s worth choosing him over Mills, whose departure would sadden many Spurs fans, myself included.
We have a pretty good idea what the ceiling is with Gasol. Now it’s time to see what the Spurs have in Dedmon.
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2017/2/28/14767246/spurs-keep-starting-dewayne-dedmon

[DPG21920]

They don't, but the second-rounder is only a min deal, so it can't go away. If anything, it would go up if the Spurs signed a vet with the money. It would actually cost money to replace that with a vet. Speaking of that, I was actually off on my numbers for the second rounder and rookie slots. The hold is $815,615, not $1,471,382, also Forbes and Bertans should count as $1,312,611 each. All that gives the team like $1.5 Million in extra space. Not nothing, considering how tight they are. Between that and keeping the split guys in Austin most of the year, they probably have enough to give Simmons and Patty pretty decent contracts.


I would agree normally. But him and Manu walking with no one Murray, picks and min contracts to replace them would be hard to imagine. Moving on from Simmons would give the Spurs another $800k or so, which makes it completely possible to keep Mills.

Can you see SA waiving guys like Forbes in addition to LJC to open up more space or does waiving them still keep their money on the books (I think it does).

[Chinook]

Can you see SA waiving guys like Forbes in addition to LJC to open up more space or does waiving them still keep their money on the books (I think it does).

Livio is already waived. His money is dead. Forbes' money isn't guaranteed, though it may not save much money at all.

[DPG21920]

Livio is already waived. His money is dead. Forbes' money isn't guaranteed, though it may not save much money at all.

That's right, forgot about that. So basically if SA wanted to reasonably maximize cap space, they could clear Manu's cap hold (he retires), clear Mills cap hold, clear Lee & Dedmon & waive Forbes plus stash picks & Milu. If they did that they would have about ~92M in salaries with a cap of 102M so only 10M in cap space.

Cap space, unless you trade TP or Danny or Pau surprisingly opts out does not seem likely at all

[Jdspur20]

Any chance Spurs would have enough to sign George Hill? That TP contract sure doesn't help.

[cjw]

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[SAGirl]

850157030476308480
Thanks for sharing that. Seems lower than expected...

[Chinook]

Yeah, the idea that the Spurs will worry about cap space this summer is extremely remote.

[SAGirl]

Yeah, the idea that the Spurs will worry about cap space this summer is extremely remote.
You are being enigmatic here.
I am not sure I understand what you mean...

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

You are being enigmatic here.
I am not sure I understand what you mean...

Probably that even if the Spurs are under the cap it would be by less than the MLE value, thus they'll use the exceptions to improve the team, rather than cap space.

[CGD]

Just confirming, Spurs have cost control over Bertans and Forbes next year right? And after the 2018 season they're RFAs?

[SAGirl]

Probably that even if the Spurs are under the cap it would be by less than the MLE value, thus they'll use the exceptions to improve the team, rather than cap space.
thanks for that tidbit.
Much appreciated. :toast
Certainly puts it in context.

[SAGirl]

Just confirming, Spurs have cost control over Bertans and Forbes next year right? And after the 2018 season they're RFAs?
Yes...
as far as I know, Bertans had a 2 year deal and Forbes has a team option/unguaranteed (similar to Simmons from this past season, if I am correct).

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Let Lee go (Manu for vet minimum? saves 2 mil or so
Let Forbes go (saves $500K)
Keep Milutinov overseas one more year (saves 1 mil)

Feels like the key is to work out a deal with Pau to opt out, give him a longer deal with a lower per year cap hit (final deal of career)

[BackHome]

I will wait to see who shows up to play against the Big Boys - Not taking that much against a JV team like the Rockets. Who ever shows up vs GS is the person they need to keep.

[Atl Spur]

Forbes will pay dividends=keep
trade Kyle for a low 1st or high seconds.....Orlando or Atlanta has some good high second round picks
Bring over Hanga.
Sign Roberson from Okc
Pau opt out and sign a two year 20 million contract ( 9 million next 11 million in the expiring year)
Trade Danny for the best deal available
Trade LaMarcus to Boston for Bradley+ two highest seconds
Split Tonys contract over two years

[BackHome]

All I have to say is keep guys who can dribble the ball �� without falling down

[Richie]

I think Simmons has shown his value over Dedmon in this post season.

Looking at our cap situation, it's clear to me that Spurs are targeting 2018 free agency and Paul George/Westbrook. We can bring back everyone except Dedmon and keep flexibility for 2018.

Simmons is especially valuable in that case. Whatever someone offers him this summer we can match and he will only go on the books for around $7m this year and next with a jump in the 3rd (assuming he gets a suitably large offer) due to the Arenas rule. This lets us keep him and maintain flexibility for 2018. We also get to keep the MLE to sign a Dedmon replacement, perhaps Splitter on a 1 year deal?

[Chinook]

I'm not even touching Splitter for the MLE. Maybe the LLE, but honestly I'd want him on a min deal. Dude needs to show he can be healthy again before cashing in.

[Jdspur20]

id love Splitter back for the min.

[Mal]

Can anyone think of Spurs cap situation in summer 2018 ? http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio_spurs/

It`s last chance get help for Kawhi, before he`s 42m/year new deal kicks. And the roster will Murray, Kawhi and two players with players options - Green for 10mil and LMA for 23mil.

List of potential UFA`s

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2018/

It`s not looking good.

[objective]

Wrong year, should be 2018

[CGD]

Does the new cap environment make it more likely that teams would try to do sign-and-trades?

Bill Simmons was bullshitting but threw out there Simmons-Porter mutual S&T idea which made me wonder about S&Ts generally.

[Mal]

Does the new cap environment make it more likely that teams would try to do sign-and-trades?

Bill Simmons was bullshitting but threw out there Simmons-Porter mutual S&T idea which made me wonder about S&Ts generally.

Which Simmons ? Which Porter? Ben Simmons for Otto Porter ? WTH

[Chinook]

Wrong year, should be 2018

?

[objective]

?

Mal was asking about summer 2018, then linked to free agents in summer 2019

[Chinook]

Mal was asking about summer 2018, then linked to free agents in summer 2019

Oh. All right.

[Mal]

Mal was asking about summer 2018, then linked to free agents in summer 2019

Fixed. Still not looking good.

[CGD]

Which Simmons ? Which Porter? Ben Simmons for Otto Porter ? WTH

On his podcast, BILL Simmons was bullshitting about a hypothetical JON Simmons for Otto Porter swap doing a mutual sign and trade. It was in the context of Washington being in a tough spot with Porter and whether he's a near max dude, and whether they could get similar production from a Jon Simmons type who'd be cheaper.

[Mal]

On his podcast, BILL Simmons was bullshitting about a hypothetical JON Simmons for Otto Porter swap doing a mutual sign and trade. It was in the context of Washington being in a tough spot with Porter and whether he's a near max dude, and whether they could get similar production from a Jon Simmons type who'd be cheaper.

Washington salary situation is not good. They probably will lose Gortat and Bogdanovic in order to retain Porter and get bench. But I cannot see Jonathan Simmons being traded straight up for Otto Porter. Washington can do better, and Spurs need to do way better job at getting another 20mil guy next to Kawhi

[mo7888]

Washington salary situation is not good. They probably will lose Gortat and Bogdanovic in order to retain Porter and get bench. But I cannot see Jonathan Simmons being traded straight up for Otto Porter. Washington can do better, and Spurs need to do way better job at getting another 20mil guy next to Kawhi

I don't think he means straight up. He means giving Otto the max and trading him to us for Simmons on a lesser valued contract. For that to happen, we would need to open up cap space. Even then, I don't know if the rules allow it.

[CGD]

Washington salary situation is not good. They probably will lose Gortat and Bogdanovic in order to retain Porter and get bench. But I cannot see Jonathan Simmons being traded straight up for Otto Porter. Washington can do better, and Spurs need to do way better job at getting another 20mil guy next to Kawhi

I agree. The discussion just made me generally wonder whether we'd see more sign and trades in the this new cap environment.

[objective]

This year's draft pick (#29) is 1,017,800

Milutinov if signed this year is subject to this season's scale, so for #26 should be 1,062,300

According to Larry Coon's rookie scale page

Edit:

Wait, is Coon's site outdated? It doesn't seem to have the updated numbers for mid-level or rookie deals.

The numbers above are probably off

[Chinook]

This year's draft pick (#29) is 1,017,800

Milutinov if signed this year is subject to this season's scale, so for #26 should be 1,062,300

According to Larry Coon's rookie scale page

Edit:

Wait, is Coon's site outdated? It doesn't seem to have the updated numbers for mid-level or rookie deals.

The numbers above are probably off

Yeah, those numbers are way outdated. Picks take up about 50 percent more room. And automatically count as 120 percent of the rookie scale for cap purposes

[duncan2150]

Could someone sum up actual Spurs salaries please ?

just to know what we have left for this Free agency.

Thanks

[mo7888]

From ESPN article:

Cap-space breakdown

By virtue of the Marco Belinelli signing, San Antonio is now hard-capped. The Spurs have $105 million in salary and are $24 million below the hard-cap threshold.

To avoid the luxury tax ($123.7 million) and hard cap, San Antonio could possibly lose veteran*Tony Parker*and have to make a choice among restricted free agents*Davis Bertans,*Kyle Anderson*and*Bryn Forbes.

Exceptions:*$2.7 (room midlevel) and $3.4 million (biannual)

[duncan2150]

Ok perfect

thanks mo

[mo7888]

Ok perfect

thanks mo

Anytime..