If they Retired Today, Who Had the Best NBA Career of the Current Spurs

[BillMc]

LaMarcus Aldridge (11 seasons, 4 All NBA selections, 5 All Star Selections)

Pau Gasol (16 seasons, 2 titles, 3 finals appearances, 4 All NBA selections, 6 All Star Selections, ROY,)

Manu Ginobli (15 seasons, 4 titles, 5 finals appearances, 2 All NBA selections, 2 All Star Selections, 6MOY)

David Lee (12 seasons, 1 title, 1 finals appearances, 1 All NBA selections, 2 All Star Selections)

Kawhi Leonard (6 seasons, 1 title, 2 finals appearances, 1 All NBA selections, 2 All Star Selections, 3 All-Defense selections, FMVP, 2xDPOY)

Tony Parker (16 seasons, 4 titles, 5 finals appearances, 4 All NBA selections, 6 All Star Selections, FMVP)

NOTE: Asking who had the best career is not necessarily the same as asking who is/was the best player.

[dabom]

Manu. Easily.

[Blake]

David Lee no question

[Cry Havoc]

Parker. 4 all nbas and a fmvp.

[Leetonidas]

Best NBA career? Easily Parker. Best player? Manu or Pau. Most successful in terms of all basketball related achievements? Manu again

[bklynspursfan]

Best NBA career? Easily Parker. Best player? Manu or Pau. Most successful in terms of all basketball related achievements? Manu again

+1

[dabom]

its Manu.

[TXstbobcat]

I'll go with Parker. 6 time all-star and '07 FMVP

[TheGreatYacht]

Parker. 4 all nbas and a fmvp.

[barbacoataco]

Not going to vote on this one but Parker and Gasol have about equal credentials. Ginobili was probably the best but he's such a unique player it makes it impossible to compare. Unless he gets injured Leonard should be the best after 3-4 more seasons, maybe he already is.

[tmtcsc]

Manu Ginobili.

[Spurtacular]

Tim Duncan

[GSH]

Kyle Anderson has already done so much more than was expected of him. I think he has to be in the discussion.

Tony should have retired years ago, before he fucked up everyone else's careers. TBH.

Manu handed me a signed jersey, and it healed me of diabetes.

Lee is too damned short to be good. His numbers aren't real.

I recognize the name Kawhi Leonard. Who are those other guys?

Jimmer would have been better than all of them if he just got a chance to play.

Aldridge is a diva bitch. He's not even really black.

Pau never did shit without me.

[Canyonero]

Best NBA career: Pau or Parker.
Best overall career: Manugoat

[cd98]

Probably Gasol and then Parker, then Manu and the LMA.

[daledondale]

Best NBA career? Easily Parker. Best player? Manu. Most successful in terms of all basketball related achievements? Manu againFixed.

[TheGreatYacht]

Not sure why idiots are voting for Ginobili. It clearly says NBA career in the title you donkeys.

No way he's had a more impressive career than Parker, Gasol, or Aldridge. Shit, he doesn't even have as good of a career as Jamal Crawford.

2 less 6MOY
4,484 less points
295 less assists
more title costing turnovers and fouls

[dbreiden83080]

The answer is easily Gasol. He has the best stats and won rings.

[dbreiden83080]

Not sure why idiots are voting for Ginobili. It clearly says NBA career in the title you donkeys.

No way he's had a more impressive career than Parker, Gasol, or Aldridge. Shit, he doesn't even have as good of a career as Jamal Crawford.

2 less 6MOY
4,484 less points
295 less assists
more title costing turnovers and fouls

I grow tired of the international argument for players like Manu. I like Manu, but he played 98% of his games in the NBA folks.

[TheGreatYacht]

1. Parker
2. Leonard
3. Gasol
4. Aldridge

IMO

[Strategic]

The inferior complex crowd that can't read English voting for their hero.

[MultiTroll]

GNob

[spurraider21]

between Pau and Manu... argument for Pau is he was an alpha for longer, if we're strictly talking NBA careers.

Manu had bigger stones on the big stage though, overall. Pau was a bitch in the 2008 finals, which was in his peak. manu had his worst finals performance in 2013 when he was past prime

[BillMc]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by SAGirl (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Kyle Anderson has already done so much more than was expected of him. I think he has to be in the discussion.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by FkLA (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Tony should have retired years ago, before he fucked up everyone else's careers. TBH.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Manu handed me a signed jersey, and it healed me of diabetes.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by GSH (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Lee is too damned short to be good. His numbers aren't real.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Apalisoc (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
I recognize the name Kawhi Leonard. Who are those other guys?




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Spurtacular (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Jimmer would have been better than all of them if he just got a chance to play.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by HarlemHeat (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Aldridge is a diva bitch. He's not even really black.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by KobeBryant (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Pau never did shit without me.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by SAGirl (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Kyle Anderson has already done so much more than was expected of him. I think he has to be in the discussion.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by FkLA (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Tony should have retired years ago, before he fucked up everyone else's careers. TBH.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Manu handed me a signed jersey, and it healed me of diabetes.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by GSH (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Lee is too damned short to be good. His numbers aren't real.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Apalisoc (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
I recognize the name Kawhi Leonard. Who are those other guys?




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Spurtacular (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Jimmer would have been better than all of them if he just got a chance to play.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by HarlemHeat (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Aldridge is a diva bitch. He's not even really black.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by KobeBryant (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Pau never did shit without me.





GSH with serious work on this one. Well done!:lmao


:toast

[baseline bum]

Easily Pop

[Uriel]

David Lee no question
:lol

[BD24]

Manu. Easily.
I agree with this faggot^^

[alpha_HaZE]

Parker. 4 all nbas and a fmvp.

Parker has the most decorated career as a Spurs, not overall, Manu is one of the very few players that have won gold in every level of basketball that he has played.

And even then one can argue that Manu deserved the MVP in 2005, had Pop not decided to sit him. It was the best thing to do for the team and I think we would have won anyways. At the time People weren't going to give the MVP trophy to someone that comes off the bench. Remember they did not give Timmy the defensive player of the year, because then they used to think if you compete for an MVP you can't be a the defensive player of the year. Obviously it changed with Kawhi, who won it twice. Anyways, that's another conversation :)

So between Tony and Manu I really think it's a coin toss, it really comes down to your preference of score-first or pass-first type of player. But one thing is true at their prime they both were able to attack the basket take the contact and score the ball.

I love them both :)

[ElNono]

GSH putting in work ITT, tbh

[YGWHI]

The inferior complex crowd that can't read English voting for their hero.

Don't disrespect frenchies.

[RD2191]

Manu. Easily.

[cutewizard]

Manu or Gasol.....

[BatManu20]

Pau
Tony
Manu

(NBA careers strictly)

[ElNono]

I voted Pau, tbh... he didn't win as much, but he had a much larger role in the rings he won, IMO...

[BillMc]

I voted Pau, tbh... he didn't win as much, but he had a much larger role in the rings he won, IMO...
this

though Manu in 2005 and Tony in 07 were huge

[will_spurs]

I voted Pau, tbh... he didn't win as much, but he had a much larger role in the rings he won, IMO...

Which is why he has so many FMVPs to show for it...

Parker clearly has the best NBA career of the current players. Basically Gasol +2 rings and +1 FMVP. Actually at this stage Kawhi already has a better NBA career than Pau: remember Pau hasn't received a single MVP vote in his whole career.

[ElNono]

Which is why he has so many FMVPs to show for it...

Parker clearly has the best NBA career of the current players. Basically Gasol +2 rings and +1 FMVP. Actually at this stage Kawhi already has a better NBA career than Pau: remember Pau hasn't received a single MVP vote in his whole career.

I'm ok if you want to base this on media-based awards, tbh...

I just think it was clear cut that Pau was the difference in that team from first round exit, on the verge of implosion to back to back finals... that's pretty impressive impact, and really a huge role.

The Spurs suffered something somewhat similar in '09 when Manu went down, tbh, but it's much harder to measure due to Tim's being clearly the top dog...

[ElNono]

There's a lot of ways to measure this, tbh... expectations, odds, stats... everybody has their own barometer... heck, even euros making a great NBA career was statistically unlikely 15 years ago... you had Divac, Sabonis, Schrempf, maybe a few more... A guy from South America was damn near zero...

[will_spurs]

I'm ok if you want to base this on media-based awards, tbh...

I didn't know rings and FMVPs were media awards :D


I just think it was clear cut that Pau was the difference in that team from first round exit, on the verge of implosion to back to back finals... that's pretty impressive impact, and really a huge role.

He brought them over the top, true. Still, MVP is a pretty solid award, it's not like an All-Star nomination. It's hard to argue that a player was one of the top players of his era when he hasn't received a single MVP vote in his whole career. That just doesn't compute. In comparison Manu received MVP votes 3 times (highest rank 8th), LMA twice (highest rank 7th), Tony 7 times (highest rank 5th) and Kawhi twice (highest rank 2nd). Pau is really the odd one out. There's also something to be said about the guys who received MVP votes in more seasons than they got All-Star or All-NBA nominations...

[SAGirl]

The league really is about what have you done for me lately? Some guys in that list had full careers while Kawhis ascension to superstardom is only starting.
I have recency bias... Kawhi.
:claw

[BillMc]

I have recency bias...

I'm pretty sure a shot of penicillin will clear that up. :lol:toast

[YGWHI]

The league really is about what have you done for me lately? Some guys in that list had full careers while Kawhis ascension to superstardom is only starting.
I have recency bias... Kawhi.
:claw



Well, Manu, Parker, Pau were complements to Tim and Kobe, they never were considered as the best player on a team. Kawhi has that top-dog point on his side now.

Also, rings are a collective effort, if counting titles we can argue that Matt Bonner was better than Barkley...But if this about career's individual accolades, Kawhi is the obvious answer so far

[Proxy]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by SAGirl (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Kyle Anderson has already done so much more than was expected of him. I think he has to be in the discussion.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by FkLA (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Tony should have retired years ago, before he fucked up everyone else's careers. TBH.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Manu handed me a signed jersey, and it healed me of diabetes.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by GSH (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Lee is too damned short to be good. His numbers aren't real.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Apalisoc (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
I recognize the name Kawhi Leonard. Who are those other guys?




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Spurtacular (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Jimmer would have been better than all of them if he just got a chance to play.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by HarlemHeat (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Aldridge is a diva bitch. He's not even really black.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by KobeBryant (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Pau never did shit without me.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by SAGirl (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Kyle Anderson has already done so much more than was expected of him. I think he has to be in the discussion.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by FkLA (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Tony should have retired years ago, before he fucked up everyone else's careers. TBH.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Manu handed me a signed jersey, and it healed me of diabetes.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by GSH (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Lee is too damned short to be good. His numbers aren't real.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Apalisoc (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
I recognize the name Kawhi Leonard. Who are those other guys?




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Spurtacular (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Jimmer would have been better than all of them if he just got a chance to play.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by HarlemHeat (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Aldridge is a diva bitch. He's not even really black.




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by KobeBryant (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
Pau never did shit without me.





GSH with serious work on this one. Well done!:lmao


:toast

perfect haha

[cjw]

How many other teams have six current or former All Stars? And all of which are multi-time all stars too and all named to at least one All NBA team.

For most all stars on roster:
- Cleveland has 5 - Lebron, Love, Kyrie, DWill and Korver (Bogut has only been All NBA while Korver hasn't ... Mo Williams got cut)
- Golden State has 5 - four who made it this year plus Iguodala (who has no All NBA)
- Clippers have 4 - Paul, Griffin, Jordan and Pierce

Anyone else even close? Several I can think of with three (Bulls, Knicks) but would need to check.

[Pocho La Pantera]

Parker, but Manu was the better player.

[Spursone]

Statistically, Parker has the better career, but by popularity/likeability, Manu gets my vote! :toast

[sasaint]

Parker has the most decorated career as a Spurs, not overall, Manu is one of the very few players that have won gold in every level of basketball that he has played.

And even then one can argue that Manu deserved the MVP in 2005, had Pop not decided to sit him. It was the best thing to do for the team and I think we would have won anyways. At the time People weren't going to give the MVP trophy to someone that comes off the bench. Remember they did not give Timmy the defensive player of the year, because then they used to think if you compete for an MVP you can't be a the defensive player of the year. Obviously it changed with Kawhi, who won it twice. Anyways, that's another conversation :)

So between Tony and Manu I really think it's a coin toss, it really comes down to your preference of score-first or pass-first type of player. But one thing is true at their prime they both were able to attack the basket take the contact and score the ball.

I love them both :)

:toast Well said. I completely agree. But for me the coin comes up "Tony" about 51% of the time. That said, I hope they both ride off into the HOF sunset after this season - no matter how unlikely that seems.

[Old School 44]

Parker. But I'd personally choose Manu, who I think sacrificed his game/stats for the good of the team. Can you imagine if Manu took the Harden route and left the Spurs during his Super Manu days? I also think the Thunder would have a few titles if Harden would have been content at being 6th man.

[MultiTroll]

NOTE: Asking who had the best career is not necessarily the same as asking who is/was the best player.
Bill next poll could you pick Public Option so voters are shown?
Helps give perspective on TrollTalk. :lol

[Blake]

Bill next poll could you pick Public Option so voters are shown?
Helps give perspective on TrollTalk. :lol

Lol obsessed with posters

[BillMc]

Bill next poll could you pick Public Option so voters are shown?
Helps give perspective on TrollTalk. :lol

Sure. Always happy to help your friendly neighborhood trolls out! :lol

[MB20]

TP
Gasol
Manu
Leonard
Aldridge

[ElNono]

I didn't know rings and FMVPs were media awards :D

I could be wrong, but isn't FMVP picked by the media? Same with MVP votes?

[Mikeanaro]

I could be wrong, but isn't FMVP picked by the media? Same with MVP votes?
Wikipedia:
The Bill Russell NBA Finals Most Valuable Player Award (formerly known as the NBA Finals Most Valuable Player Award) is an annual National Basketball Association (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Basketball_Association) (NBA) award given since the 1969 NBA Finals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_NBA_Finals). The award is decided by a panel of nine media members, who cast votes after the conclusion of the Finals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Finals). The person with the highest votes wins the award.

[ElNono]

I'm not saying it disqualifies the award, BTW, but it's clear that the media affair with the insecure, vindicative bitch that the Kobester always been certainly played a role, IMO.

[lebomb]

Parker. 4 all nbas and a fmvp.

x2, this separates him from the rest.

[Mikeanaro]

I dont understand the Pau vote, he only has 2 rings, TPork and Manu 4, even when some fans cares about MVPs and manufactured crap like that 4 rings doubles 2.

[barbacoataco]

It's very close between Gasol, Parker, and Gionobili. They have similar credentials.

[Trueblood]

I think some people voting here are factoring in Manu's durability over Parker. Manu looks like he could have another year coming off the bench and still be somewhat productive but TP looks toasted. I also believe some give Manu the nod because he would have more individual awards and accolades if he had told pop no to coming off the bench. As it stands and taking all the would have been off the table it's got to be Parker. I voted Manu before I realized it said NBA. I believe a Euro title and a gold medal over the US Would give him the nod In an overall basketball career poll

[will_spurs]

That said, I hope they both ride off into the HOF sunset after this season - no matter how unlikely that seems.

Not sure what the "unlikely" part refers to. If it's about "after this season", I'm not sure any of them retires just yet. If it's about the HoF you can rest assured they're in, only question is 1st ballot or not.

[sasaint]

Not sure what the "unlikely" part refers to. If it's about "after this season", I'm not sure any of them retires just yet. If it's about the HoF you can rest assured they're in, only question is 1st ballot or not.

Both are HOF locks. Both retiring after this season is questionable. I wonder how much both of their decisions might be impacted by winning a championship...

[spurraider21]

GSH putting in work ITT, tbhPOTM material