GOP Obamacare replacement announced [Archive]

Pelicans78

03-06-2017, 09:36 PM

LOL they're trying to repeal the individual mandate rectroactive to 2016 so every insurer will pull out ASAP. There you go America, now you're going back to the days of medical bankruptcy after electing orange hitler.

Insurances couldn't afford it anyway. This whole myth of people having insurance doesn't mean much if healthcare providers refuse to see those patients due to paltry reimbursement from those crappy insurer plans. Basically government is paying for millions more to get insured without necessarily improving the overall quality of care.

baseline bum

03-06-2017, 09:40 PM

LOL so this is Trump's terrific plan that was going to cover everybody and give better coverage and cost everyone less money than Obamacare.

baseline bum

03-06-2017, 09:42 PM

Actually what am I saying trying to repeal the mandate. Price can effectively repeal the mandate this very second by dropping the penalty to $0.

Pelicans78

03-06-2017, 09:45 PM

LOL so this is Trump's terrific plan that was going to cover everybody and give better coverage and cost everyone less money than Obamacare.

Trump always lied during the campaign. His supporters are going to find out the hard way. It's gonna be glorious to see outrage unless of course it leads to them shooting more brown people like TSA and Darrin support.

SnakeBoy

03-06-2017, 09:50 PM

What a piece of shit.

As is Obamacare

SnakeBoy

03-06-2017, 09:51 PM

Actually what am I saying trying to repeal the mandate. Price can effectively repeal the mandate this very second by dropping the penalty to $0.

That would only increase the speed of the ACA's collapse

baseline bum

03-06-2017, 10:05 PM

As is Obamacare

The entire rest of the first world can figure out healthcare but the richest country in the world can't afford it.

baseline bum

03-06-2017, 10:06 PM

Trump always lied during the campaign. His supporters are going to find out the hard way. It's gonna be glorious to see outrage unless of course it leads to them shooting more brown people like TSA and Darrin support.

I just want to see Vox go to that town in Kentucky again. That shit was hilarious the first time but now that it's actually happening to see the looks on those faggots' faces. :lmao

SnakeBoy

03-06-2017, 10:07 PM

The entire rest of the first world can figure out healthcare but the richest country in the world can't afford it.

Ah the der Single Payer response

baseline bum

03-06-2017, 10:16 PM

That would only increase the speed of the ACA's collapse

Wow no shit it's going to die quickly when the penalty is $0, you're on a roll.

SnakeBoy

03-06-2017, 10:31 PM

Wow no shit it's going to die quickly when the penalty is $0, you're on a roll.

It's going to die either way.

You used to admit what a piece of shit the ACA was.

baseline bum

03-06-2017, 10:36 PM

It's going to die either way.

You used to admit what a piece of shit the ACA was.

It is a piece of shit since it didn't address cost, but is much better than our previous and upcoming system. At least the ACA actually covered people, now we go back to the system where we're still by far the most expensive in the world and lots of people don't have coverage. I don't see how bringing medical bankruptcy back is going to be a good move for America.

florige

03-06-2017, 10:58 PM

LOL so this is Trump's terrific plan that was going to cover everybody and give better coverage and cost everyone less money than Obamacare.

And you are surprised why?

baseline bum

03-06-2017, 11:03 PM

And you are surprised why?

Of course I'm not surprised, I have been saying all along Trump is a trojan horse into Washington to get all the Republicans' crap through. And it's the DNC's fault. Instead of talking about what Trump was going to do to working Americans you had Clinton focusing on pussy grabbing and what a pig Trump is. Like Obama said, elections have consequences and this is going to be a really nasty one.

mavsfan1000

03-06-2017, 11:14 PM

:nutkick:

mavsfan1000

03-06-2017, 11:16 PM

Wow no shit it's going to die quickly when the penalty is $0, you're on a roll.
The penalty is bullshit.

hater

03-06-2017, 11:23 PM

The penalty was bullshit anyway.

Please check here if you had health insurance last year. Who would be stupid enough to check no?? :lmao

Stupid Obama plan tbh. It fell on its own weight.

Not saying that Trumps plan is any better. Probably gona suck ass and take us back about 8 years.

ElNono

03-06-2017, 11:25 PM

Ah the der Single Payer response

lots of countries are not single-payer, and yet spend nowhere near what the US does, for similar outcomes...

As a lawmaker mentioned on the Fox piece in the OP, if they didn't address cost, we're back to square one...

hater

03-06-2017, 11:27 PM

lots of countries are not single-payer, and yet spend nowhere near what the US does, for similar outcomes...

As a lawmaker mentioned on the Fox piece in the OP, if they didn't address cost, we're back to square one...

Well lots of countries dont charge the insurer $98 for simple prescription of anyibiotics

The doctors and pharma have us all including insurers by the balls

ElNono

03-06-2017, 11:29 PM

LOL so this is Trump's terrific plan that was going to cover everybody and give better coverage and cost everyone less money than Obamacare.

"We're going to have insurance for everybody," Trump told The Washington Post. "There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us."

:lol

ElNono

03-06-2017, 11:30 PM

Well lots of countries dont charge the insurer $98 for simple prescription of anyibiotics

The doctors and pharma have us all including insurers by the balls

Absolutely. That's what cost control looks like.

baseline bum

03-06-2017, 11:42 PM

"We're going to have insurance for everybody," Trump told The Washington Post. "There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us."

:lol

LOL Trump doing any work. He just took Price's plan.

mavsfan1000

03-06-2017, 11:46 PM

LOL Trump doing any work. He just took Price's plan.
It takes a real man to know your limitations and go with the plan of a health care specialist.

Quadzilla99

03-06-2017, 11:49 PM

It takes a real man to know your limitations and go with the plan of a health care specialist.

Jesus gargle his balls a little more why dontcha

mavsfan1000

03-06-2017, 11:58 PM

Jesus gargle his balls a little more why dontcha
Just saying. I just got my Christmas present. Over $700 saved. :)

Quadzilla99

03-07-2017, 12:07 AM

You don't even have insurance you fucking loser?

mavsfan1000

03-07-2017, 12:09 AM

You don't even have insurance you fucking loser?
I did. It fucking sucked. $8000 deductible. I'm like fuck this.

baseline bum

03-07-2017, 12:12 AM

Smart move for Trump and the GOP to put this piece of shit out now though, since it gets the media off Sessions' faggot ass.

SnakeBoy

03-07-2017, 12:53 AM

lots of countries are not single-payer, and yet spend nowhere near what the US does, for similar outcomes...

So what...neither party is proposing anything in that regard. We got a choice of try this piece of shit or stick with the collapsing piece of shit we got.

Spurminator

03-07-2017, 12:55 AM

So what...neither party is proposing anything in that regard.

Well, they might if half the country didn't enable the OMG COMMUNISM bullshit that forced us to settle for Obamacare in the first place.

SnakeBoy

03-07-2017, 01:02 AM

Well, they might if half the country didn't enable the OMG COMMUNISM bullshit that forced us to settle for Obamacare in the first place.

lol Dems had super majorities and didn't need the GOP for shit. Obama thought small and then folded like a cheap suit on everything that might have actually worked.

mavsfan1000

03-07-2017, 01:11 AM

They need to get rid of pre-existing. That is what raised the prices.

spurraider21

03-07-2017, 01:17 AM

They need to get rid of pre-existing. That is what raised the prices.trump promised to cover everybody.

trump promised not clinton

ElNono

03-07-2017, 01:53 AM

So what...neither party is proposing anything in that regard. We got a choice of try this piece of shit or stick with the collapsing piece of shit we got.

we tried this shit already... I'm all for replacing Barrycare, but this is basically 'lets go back to the previous system with a couple of asterisks'... how about tackling cost? We keep going in circles here, and every one of these is a great opportunity to do something about it.

ElNono

03-07-2017, 01:55 AM

They need to get rid of pre-existing. That is what raised the prices.

pre-existing is sticking around. Then again, that's for those that can afford insurance with a $3000 tax credit...

ElNono

03-07-2017, 02:23 AM

We'll see where this goes... from what I've read, Freedom Caucus members thinks this is 'Barrycare lite', while a bunch of Governors don't want their Medicaid expansion dismantled...

spurraider21

03-07-2017, 02:29 AM

Xevious

03-07-2017, 02:45 AM

Smart move for Trump and the GOP to put this piece of shit out now though, since it gets the media off Sessions' faggot ass.

And yet all they talk about on the news are Trump's wire tap tweets.

SnakeBoy

03-07-2017, 03:17 AM

we tried this shit already... I'm all for replacing Barrycare, but this is basically 'lets go back to the previous system with a couple of asterisks'... how about tackling cost? We keep going in circles here, and every one of these is a great opportunity to do something about it.

No we haven't. With the ACA the Dems took full ownership of healthcare for the first time and got their shit pushed in for doing so. Now the GOP is about to take full ownership of healthcare and any fool knows how that is going to end. Wasn't it Churchill who said “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing...after they’ve tried everything else”.

So I just see this as part of the process of getting towards some type of sensible healthcare model eventually. The most disappointing about Trumpcare is it looks like they are going to puss out of allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines so that we have a national healthcare market. That would be the biggest step towards setting the stage for a national healthcare model imo.

I'm not philosophically opposed to single payor or any other healthcare model or any combination of models. I just think it's stupid for libs to always tout "single payor" when nobody is actually proposing a plan. It's as dumb as conservatives just shouting "free market" as a be all solution to healthcare.

In the meantime, I just want Obamacare gone. If I lose my grandfathered plan I'm fucked under this piece of shit.

spurraider21

03-07-2017, 03:25 AM

lol Dems had super majorities and didn't need the GOP for shit. Obama thought small and then folded like a cheap suit on everything that might have actually worked.this is a valid criticism tbh... if the dems were going to shove healthcare without any bipartisan support, they might as well have gone full dem... but they didn't and the current situation is still a mess

BanditHiro

03-07-2017, 04:09 AM

well at least they didn't criminalize not having insurance so they can send you to a private prison.

ElNono

03-07-2017, 04:34 AM

No we haven't. With the ACA the Dems took full ownership of healthcare for the first time and got their shit pushed in for doing so. Now the GOP is about to take full ownership of healthcare and any fool knows how that is going to end. Wasn't it Churchill who said “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing...after they’ve tried everything else”.

So I just see this as part of the process of getting towards some type of sensible healthcare model eventually. The most disappointing about Trumpcare is it looks like they are going to puss out of allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines so that we have a national healthcare market. That would be the biggest step towards setting the stage for a national healthcare model imo.

I'm not philosophically opposed to single payor or any other healthcare model or any combination of models. I just think it's stupid for libs to always tout "single payor" when nobody is actually proposing a plan. It's as dumb as conservatives just shouting "free market" as a be all solution to healthcare.

In the meantime, I just want Obamacare gone. If I lose my grandfathered plan I'm fucked under this piece of shit.

But you're saying it yourself. You wanted to make a point that selling across state lines can be cost cutting? Well, here was your chance. They been singing that bullshit for years, now they get their chance and what happens? Nothing.

This plan can be resumed as simply rolling back Barrycare. It's kill the mandate, sunset Medicare expansion, and we'll give you some ridiculous, hilariously low tax credits to compensate for keeping pre-existing condition coverage...

Really? Eight years for a master plan and this is what you come up with, going back? Ofcourse you had to tack in the abortion wedge issue right there too, lol

What's terrible about this is that they're going to make people actually miss ACA, as incredibly bad as it was. I personally thought it was terrible, because of the exact same reasons as this shit, it doesn't deal with cost of care. But on top of that now you're killing access for millions of insured.

This isn't about red or blue. They're both so fucking sold out, tbh... notice how it's the consumer (especially the poor and the sick) getting fucked again. Just extremely disappointing.

ElNono

03-07-2017, 04:39 AM

this is a valid criticism tbh... if the dems were going to shove healthcare without any bipartisan support, they might as well have gone full dem... but they didn't and the current situation is still a mess

Absolutely true, but the at the same time, the hopes (perhaps unfounded) was that Barrycare was a stepping stone for serious healthcare reform. The ACA didn't happen in a vacuum, there were real, tangible, measurable problems with healthcare costs and access in the US. I'm just as incensed as when the ACA was reamed through. A perfect opportunity to actually improve, completely wasted with the usual political bickering.

boutons_deux

03-07-2017, 07:25 AM

yawn, Repugs will never touch the income of BigCorp.

The corporatocracy owns and operates USA for stealing, unrestricted fleecing, looting, defrauding.

EVERYTHING will get much worse under Repug rule, just like 2001-2008.

The USA is in irreversible, unstoppable decline.

Th'Pusher

03-07-2017, 07:39 AM

this is a valid criticism tbh... if the dems were going to shove healthcare without any bipartisan support, they might as well have gone full dem... but they didn't and the current situation is still a mess

The public option wasn't politically feasible even with 60 dems in the senate. You act as if democrats are immune to the insurance lobby.

rmt

03-07-2017, 07:45 AM

Read what they put out, but doesn't seem complete. For instance, the article below says it keeps banning lifetime caps and kids under 26, but I don't see anything in the bill on that. Maybe it's with the understanding that they won't get the votes to repeal the non-financial parts of ACA so their bill is layered on top of the ACA's pre-existing, lifetime ban and children under 26? They need to make the percent for continuous coverage much higher to incentivize people to stay covered, not go in and out of the market and thereby stabilize the market. I don't see anything addressing tort reform or the breakdown of the tax credit per age (other than it goes back to the average 4.8/5 times older than younger instead of ACA's current 3x) or how much they'll allow for the HSAs.

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/03/house_republicans_release_plan.html

Don't you guys have anything like this (Publix supermarkets):

The free medications offered, treatment and dosages include:

Lisinopril — an ACE inhibitor used to prevent, treat or improve symptoms of high blood pressure, certain heart conditions, diabetes and certain chronic kidney conditions. Maximum of 90-day supply (up to 180 tablets). Lisinopril-HCTZ combination products excluded.
Metformin — a medication used to treat diabetes. Maximum of 90-day supply of generic immediate-release metformin (up to 360 500-mg tablets, 270 850-mg or 225 1000-mg).
Amlodipine — a calcium-channel blocker commonly used to treat high blood pressure and angina (chest pain). Maximum of 90-day supply (up to 180 2.5-mg or 5-mg tablets, or 90 10-mg tablets). Amlodipine combination products are excluded.
Publix Pharmacy also offers a 14-day supply of the following generic oral antibiotics free:

amoxicillin
ampicillin
ciprofloxacin (excluding Ciprofloxacin XR)
penicillin VK and
sulfamethoxazole/Trimethoprim (SMZ-TMP)

or Walmart's $10/90-day or $4/30-day supply. Sometimes Costco (don't need membership to buy drugs) is even cheaper - try Walmart/Costco before your local pharmacy. And sometimes, it's cheaper to pay for it yourself than whatever tier/copay your health insurance decides it's on. Congress needs to allow us to buy from Canada or UK for the non-common/patented drugs. Hopefully a mass exodus doing that will affect US sales, and they'll lower their prices.

boutons_deux

03-07-2017, 07:46 AM

"even with 60 dems in the senate"

Dems never had 60 in the Senate in 09.

Lieberman is independent and totally owned by CT's BigInsurance. Lieberman killed any discussion of public option, never mind a vote on it.

Ben "Horses Ass" Nelson also owned by BigInsurance, was given the job of writing ACA, and hired a BigInsurance exec/lobbyist to write it.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to beat, or even challenge, the corporatocracy.

baseline bum

03-07-2017, 08:13 AM

Spurminator

03-07-2017, 10:33 AM

lol Dems had super majorities and didn't need the GOP for shit. Obama thought small and then folded like a cheap suit on everything that might have actually worked.

Like I said, if half the country didn't buy into the bullshit that a public option was socialist and would lead to death panels, we might have had a better plan regardless of the party in power. The Dems deserve criticism for the plan we ended up with, but not for the hyperbolic reaction to any mention of public healthcare options.

Splits

03-07-2017, 03:02 PM

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mavsfan1000

03-07-2017, 03:06 PM

838928509762318337
Obummercare sucked. Not sure how this new plan will go. But it wouldn't take much to improve it. If it does suck, no penalty if you don't have it.

baseline bum

03-07-2017, 03:06 PM

So nothing about importing drugs from Canada like that faggot Trump campaigned on?

FuzzyLumpkins

03-07-2017, 03:22 PM

lol Dems had super majorities and didn't need the GOP for shit. Obama thought small and then folded like a cheap suit on everything that might have actually worked.

When you consider the dems in red states they never had that. And it was Pelosi, Schumer, Reid, and the whips that shat the bed.

spurraider21

03-07-2017, 03:26 PM

:lmao

Chaffetz to low-income Americans: Buy health care, not iPhones (https://www.yahoo.com/news/chaffetz-to-low-income-americans-buy-healthcare-not-iphones-153317516.html)

As House Republicans begin to roll out their proposed replacement for Obamacare (https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-republicans-reveal-obamacare-replacement-bill-013510100.html), Rep. Jason Chaffetz of Utah suggested that poor Americans could pay for plans by prioritizing health care over smartphones.

“Americans have choices, and they’ve got to make a choice,” said Chaffetz in a Tuesday interview with CNN (http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/03/07/jason-chaffetz-invest-in-healthcare-instead-of-phones-sot-newday.cnn), “so maybe rather than getting that new iPhone they just love and spending hundreds of dollars on that they should invest in their own health care. They’ve got to make those decisions themselves.”

According to the 2016 Millman Medical Index (http://www.milliman.com/uploadedFiles/insight/Periodicals/mmi/2016-milliman-medical-index.pdf), the average annual cost of health care for a typical American family of four was $25,826, or just over $2,100 per month. For a standard two-year plan on Verizon with no special deals, the iPhone 7 would cost $27.08 a month.

baseline bum

03-07-2017, 03:30 PM

When you consider the dems in red states they never had that. And it was Pelosi, Schumer, Reid, and the whips that shat the bed.

Pelosi actually got her bill through with the public option at least. Fucking Reid was worthless though.

FuzzyLumpkins

03-07-2017, 03:33 PM

Pelosi actually got her bill through with the public option at least. Fucking Reid was worthless though.

:bobo

boutons_deux

03-07-2017, 04:00 PM

monosylab1k

03-07-2017, 04:06 PM

:lmao

Chaffetz to low-income Americans: Buy health care, not iPhones (https://www.yahoo.com/news/chaffetz-to-low-income-americans-buy-healthcare-not-iphones-153317516.html)

Seriously, what a ****.

monosylab1k

03-07-2017, 04:06 PM

ROFL so c.unt is censored?????

Spurminator

03-07-2017, 04:13 PM

The best political move for the Democrats is to pass this plan.

mavsfan1000

03-07-2017, 04:14 PM

ROFL so c.unt is censored?????
Yep. Wtf? Spurstalk censoring?

baseline bum

03-07-2017, 04:16 PM

The best political move for the Democrats is to pass this plan.

You mean actually vote for this bullshit or not filibuster it?

Spurminator

03-07-2017, 04:17 PM

You mean actually vote for this bullshit or not filibuster it?

I should have said "for this plan to pass."

baseline bum

03-07-2017, 04:20 PM

I should have said "for this plan to pass."

I don't buy it. If this was being done in 2018 it could be horrible for the GOP in the midterms but coming a year earlier they'll be able to spin it.

Spurminator

03-07-2017, 04:23 PM

I don't buy it. If this was being done in 2018 it could be horrible for the GOP in the midterms but coming a year earlier they'll be able to spin it.

Haven't seen when this is scheduled to roll out but if it's really the disaster people seem to think it is, the worst thing for the GOP would be for Americans to actually experience the plan. If it's not til 2018 they can just spin it as "Trust us, it's better because it's not Obamacare."

mavsfan1000

03-07-2017, 04:27 PM

I should have said "for this plan to pass."
It's still under negotiation. I support Rand Paul's position. This is Obamacare lite.

Spurminator

03-07-2017, 04:30 PM

It's still under negotiation. I support Rand Paul's position. This is Obamacare lite.

Paul and Cruz's "Full Repeal" plan is even better for the Democrats.

I'd root for it if it didn't also mean people would die.

boutons_deux

03-07-2017, 04:36 PM

A Plan Set Up To Fail

Obamacare (and Romneycare before that): regulation, mandates, and subsidies.

And the result has been a sharp decline in the number of uninsured, with costs coming in well below expectations (https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/115th-congress-2017-2018/reports/52468-outlookqfrs.pdf).

Roughly speaking, 20 million Americans gained coverage at a cost of around 0.6 percent of GDP.

For the GOP proposal basically accepts the logic of Obamacare.

It retains insurer regulation to prevent exclusion of people with preexisting conditions.

It imposes a penalty on those who don’t buy insurance while healthy.

Obamacare 0.5, because it’s really about replacing relatively solid pillars with half-measures, severely and probably fatally weakening the whole structure.

the ACA subsidies, which are linked both to income and to the cost of insurance, are replaced by flat tax credits which would be worth much less to lower-income Americans, the very people most likely to need help buying insurance.

these moves would almost surely lead to a death spiral.

House leadership .. plans to rush the bill through committee before CBO even gets a chance to score it.

https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/03/07/a-plan-set-up-to-fail/?smid=tw-share&_r=0

I thought Repugs PROHIBITED CPO from scoring their ACA replacement at all?

boutons_deux

03-07-2017, 04:40 PM

The Republican Health Care Bill Is Carefully Crafted to Solve a Specific Problem

Republicans knew exactly what problem they were trying to solve.

Their preference has always been to repeal Obamacare and do nothing in its place,

but they don't have the votes to overcome a Democratic filibuster, so they can't do that.

They also realize that the optics of baldly ripping away health coverage from 20 million people would be mildly troublesome.

goal was simple:

do what they could to destroy Obamacare and take away as much health coverage as they could,

without making it look like they weren't offering a replacement.

keeping the pre-existing conditions clause—which is both popular and impossible to repeal—while tearing down the rest of Obamacare is likely to destroy the individual insurance market. (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/save-obamacare-donald-trump-repeal-gop)

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/republican-health-care-bill-carefully-crafted-solve-specific-problem

and Price has very strong hand to re-write rules, not to enforce fules, etc, without Congress being involved.

mavsfan1000

03-07-2017, 04:47 PM

Paul and Cruz's "Full Repeal" plan is even better for the Democrats.

I'd root for it if it didn't also mean people would die.
Explain? This sounds great for everyone.
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rmt

03-07-2017, 04:57 PM

According to the 2016 Millman Medical Index, the average annual cost of health care for a typical American family of four was $25,826, or just over $2,100 per month. For a standard two-year plan on Verizon with no special deals, the iPhone 7 would cost $27.08 a month.

Can't stand Chaffetz but what does it say that the average annual cost of health care for a typical American family of four was $25,826 under the AFFORDABLE Care Act?

rmt

03-07-2017, 05:01 PM

This is just 1/3 of it - I guess, the part they can do with just republicans - although the conservatives are not on board. The next part is where Price uses HHS to smooth things/transition over. And I guess the third part requires 60 Senate votes.

rmt

03-07-2017, 05:03 PM

Maybe they're optimistic and hoping for 60 in 2018? Not being able to edit really sucks - now I'm having trouble replying with quote. Moderator, please help with this phishing thing. It was fixed for about a day and it was so nice. Changing browsers doesn't help.

boutons_deux

03-07-2017, 05:05 PM

slimebag "lock her up" Chaffetz of course hasn't compared ACA plans costs with low-cost android phones and low-post phone plans

http://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/2017-premium-changes-and-insurer-participation-in-the-affordable-care-acts-health-insurance-marketplaces/

Same shit years ago when War-on-Poor Repugs were saying the poorest Americans weren't really poor because they had heating/cooling, refrigerators, TVs, phones. iow, Americans weren't poor because they weren't street beggars in Mumbai or living on $1.25/day in Africa.

Splits

03-07-2017, 06:24 PM

ROFL so c.unt is censored?????

No. You see this poster below me?

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Can't stand Chaffetz but what does it say that the average annual cost of health care for a typical American family of four was $25,826 under the AFFORDABLE Care Act?

She is a complete and total cunt who doesn't understand what the ACA did.

She's a cunt.

Though her cunt is probably unused for many year. I mean, who would want to pork a retarded cunt?

Splits

03-07-2017, 06:28 PM

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:lmao

CosmicCowboy

03-07-2017, 06:28 PM

Splits

03-07-2017, 06:31 PM

Not being able to edit really sucks - oh look, I'm a cunt who just got edited!.

monosylab1k

03-07-2017, 06:33 PM

No. You see this poster below me?

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She is a complete and total cunt who doesn't understand what the ACA did.

She's a cunt.

Though her cunt is probably unused for many year. I mean, who would want to pork a retarded cunt?

:lol thank you sir. And fuck those cunts!

FuzzyLumpkins

03-07-2017, 06:36 PM

i have java turned off and i can quote and whatnot just fine.

I think people that use a less secure device so they can post are dumb as shit.

ElNono

03-07-2017, 06:43 PM

I don't buy it. If this was being done in 2018 it could be horrible for the GOP in the midterms but coming a year earlier they'll be able to spin it.

:lol this 'plan' also has a massive trap in it, notice how the 100 billion in aid to states to subsidize buying insurance sunsets 9 years from now... basically exploding into possibly the next administration (if this one lasts two terms).

spurraider21

03-07-2017, 06:47 PM

i have java turned off and i can quote and whatnot just fine.

I think people that use a less secure device so they can post are dumb as shit.ok

mavsfan1000

03-07-2017, 11:52 PM

From what it sounds like, this is just a rough draft. So don't panic yet. The Republicans will get it right. ;)

spurraider21

03-08-2017, 12:04 AM

From what it sounds like, this is just a rough draft. So don't panic yet. The Republicans will get it right. ;)when it comes to healthcare, that's asking a lot of them tbh

mavsfan1000

03-08-2017, 12:11 AM

when it comes to healthcare, that's asking a lot of them tbh
Well it will be better than Obamacare. Hopefully, it goes a lot further than just being a slight improvement. I'm guessing they will have to bailout those other companies that left to make more competition. Obama really screwed up. And now Trump has to fix this mess.

ElNono

03-08-2017, 12:26 AM

Unfortunately if this is what they wanted the public to see, the actual final draft is only gonna get worse. :lol

ElNono

03-08-2017, 12:28 AM

Well it will be better than Obamacare. Hopefully, it goes a lot further than just being a slight improvement. I'm guessing they will have to bailout those other companies that left to make more competition. Obama really screwed up. And now Trump has to fix this mess.

They 'forgot' about that whole competition thing. Remember that whole across state lines canard? Well they didn't fall for it.

AaronY

03-08-2017, 12:41 AM

Man we are fucking pitiful:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6HEDyQXMAU1idA.jpg

ElNono

03-08-2017, 01:56 AM

Once Dear Leader makes our NATO allies pay for protection, it'll even out,IMO

monosylab1k

03-08-2017, 02:08 AM

839193772634345472

spurraider21

03-08-2017, 02:53 AM

839193772634345472
:lmao

DMC

03-08-2017, 07:12 PM

i have java turned off and i can quote and whatnot just fine.

I think people that use a less secure device so they can post are dumb as shit.

No one gives a fuck

DMC

03-08-2017, 07:15 PM

Man we are fucking pitiful:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6HEDyQXMAU1idA.jpg

Ask me again in a few decades but who wants to live to be 90? Imagine you're like 95. You remember 40 years ago you were 55. You still couldn't sustain an erection. You cannot even remember ever sustaining an erection.

Spurminator

03-08-2017, 07:21 PM

If I don't live to be 90 I won't get to see South Park Season 75

rmt

03-08-2017, 07:44 PM

Ask me again in a few decades but who wants to live to be 90? Imagine you're like 95. You remember 40 years ago you were 55. You still couldn't sustain an erection. You cannot even remember ever sustaining an erection.

I think you underestimate what you'll be able to do at 55.

AaronY

03-08-2017, 07:46 PM

Lol at this Swampcare nickname: https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/swampcare

Top Notch imo

pgardn

03-08-2017, 07:54 PM

So when one is 55, one ponders how "long" it's been since it stayed long for sustained periods of time.

I don't want to live to 50.

I wanna think about how that 1/8 th ounce weedless gold spoon is an awesome wading lure anytime of the year. And where can I find that 1/16 th ounce lure. And that oversized fish stripping drag. Casting tangent to and past the wad of tails and bam! Replay, replay...

rmt

03-08-2017, 07:58 PM

I wanna think about how that 1/8 th ounce weedless gold spoon is an awesome wading lure anytime of the year. And where can I find that 1/16 th ounce lure. And that oversized fish stripping drag. Casting tangent to and past the wad of tails and bam! Replay, replay...

Care to explain? - I'm not getting this fishing analogy at all.

DMC

03-08-2017, 07:59 PM

DMC

03-08-2017, 08:01 PM

Care to explain? - I'm not getting this fishing analogy at all.

Never too old to fish and you never actually find your pinnacle (reel manufacturer notwithstanding) in fishing, there's always that unexplored combination or locale.

pgardn

03-08-2017, 08:02 PM

Care to explain? - I'm not getting this fishing analogy at all.

This is no analogy.

This is my reason for wanting to live. DMC says it's all about erections. I say its all about fishing and I figure the wadefishing might go downhill at 50. So goodbye. I'm out. Just like Kramer.

rmt

03-08-2017, 08:03 PM

Rattle traps and outgoing tide bro. At 90 you'll be hearing people talk about it while you're getting your shit sack cleaned.

My mil is 88 and still doing tai chi, yoga and line dancing - woman's stronger than I am. Just take care of yourself and the above won't happen (well, maybe at the very end).

pgardn

03-08-2017, 08:04 PM

Never too old to fish and you never actually find your pinnacle (reel manufacturer notwithstanding) in fishing, there's always that unexplored combination or locale.

There is a God!

And I gotta get there via kayak. Stealth, and taking in all the surroundings with out interruptions. No gd airboats.

DMC

03-08-2017, 08:06 PM

My mil is 88 and still doing tai chi, yoga and line dancing - woman's stronger than I am. Just take care of yourself and the above won't happen (well, maybe at the very end).

I'd rather be dead than line dancing.

pgardn

03-08-2017, 08:10 PM

Rattle traps and outgoing tide bro. At 90 you'll be hearing people talk about it while you're getting your shit sack cleaned.

Spoons, spoons.

Im telling you I can tell within 10 minutes where to move. And tide moving, in or out. If no tide find wind blown current. Rattle traps get weeds in the summer with heavy grass. But I do I like topwaters early. Change out those frkn treble hooks.

I will go to yours with little sunlight, cloudy days.

rmt

03-08-2017, 08:11 PM

I'd rather be dead than line dancing.

OK - whatever guys do. Dh bought this second hand rowing machine and tried to set it up in his little study. Of course, the thing is huge - can only fit in the family room, but what can I say - he'll be exercising and spending time with me instead of holed up in his study.

DMC

03-08-2017, 08:13 PM

pgardn

03-08-2017, 08:16 PM

OK - whatever guys do. Dh bought this second hand rowing machine and tried to set it up in his little study. Of course, the thing is huge - can only fit in the family room, but what can I say - he'll be exercising and spending time with me instead of holed up in his study.

you live in Florida!

Get 2 damn kayaks and get it done.
Dammit people need to get the hell outside.

I stay in shape to kayak fish and snow ski. That means running, swimming, biking.
Outside with the both of you!

DMC

03-08-2017, 08:17 PM

Spoons, spoons.

Im telling you I can tell within 10 minutes where to move. And tide moving, in or out. If no tide find wind blown current. Rattle traps get weeds in the summer with heavy grass. But I do I like topwaters early. Change out those frkn treble hooks.

I will go to yours with little sunlight, cloudy days.

I don't fish skinny water, don't wade in salt often. Humans are not the top of the food chain once we get out of the boat in saltwater.

rmt

03-08-2017, 08:24 PM

you live in Florida!

Get 2 damn kayaks and get it done.
Dammit people need to get the hell outside.

I stay in shape to kayak fish and snow ski. That means running, swimming, biking.
Outside with the both of you!

It's very humid (dd says she drinks so much more in TX and CA than FL) and remember we had Zika. Authorities discouraged outside activities unless necessary and even then, with long sleeves.

pgardn

03-08-2017, 08:31 PM

It's very humid (dd says she drinks so much more in TX and CA than FL) and remember we had Zika. Authorities discouraged outside activities unless necessary and even then, with long sleeves.

Repellant, shape, take a frozen gallon milk jug 3/4 h2o. 1/4 Gatorade Let it melt as the sun rises on your yak. Stay out till lunch. I will stay out all day.

Hell yes it's humid in the summer on the Texas coast. But you are in shape. You are a machine. You can't be stopped.

pgardn

03-08-2017, 08:48 PM

I don't fish skinny water, don't wade in salt often. Humans are not the top of the food chain once we get out of the boat in saltwater.
http://i68.tinypic.com/fxts49.jpg

pgardn

03-08-2017, 08:53 PM

http://i67.tinypic.com/foli4h.jpg

I win.
Out of his or her domain.

CosmicCowboy

03-08-2017, 10:54 PM

CosmicCowboy

03-08-2017, 10:56 PM

Still chasing that 30" trout. Got a 29 -1/2 fishing a tournament about 5 years ago.

CosmicCowboy

03-08-2017, 11:00 PM

BRW didn't quit wading just can't do mud anymore.

AaronY

03-08-2017, 11:20 PM

839665918754099200

DMC

03-09-2017, 12:15 AM

http://i67.tinypic.com/foli4h.jpg

I win.
Out of his or her domain.

http://i.imgur.com/AlIFYuX.jpg?1

mavsfan1000

03-09-2017, 09:49 PM

Both parties currently suck with healthcare.

Th'Pusher

03-09-2017, 09:54 PM

Both parties currently suck with healthcare.

:lol it didn't take you long to quit on the republicans. Just a few days ago you were hanging your hat on repeal and replace. The almighty Trump would get it done.

mavsfan1000

03-09-2017, 10:59 PM

:lol it didn't take you long to quit on the republicans. Just a few days ago you were hanging your hat on repeal and replace. The almighty Trump would get it done.
I'm still for repeal. But the American Health Care Act is a Progressive Lite plan. Screw that.

pgardn

03-09-2017, 11:39 PM

http://i.imgur.com/AlIFYuX.jpg?1

oh the runs through the jetties... Excellent. That is a fat mother. As fat as I have ever seen, But to eat... nope. They caught a frkn 54" inch redfish this winter in PA channel. That is a monster for Texas

Th'Pusher

03-09-2017, 11:51 PM

I'm still for repeal. But the American Health Care Act is a Progressive Lite plan. Screw that.

Your boy trump supports the American Health Care Act. You've taken his little carrot whole since you arrive in the political forum. Forgive me for being surprised you disagree with dear leader.

mavsfan1000

03-10-2017, 12:01 AM

Your boy trump supports the American Health Care Act. You've taken his little carrot whole since you arrive in the political forum. Forgive me for being surprised you disagree with dear leader.
I can still support Trump while disagreeing with this. So much better than Killary. But yeah Health Care is complicated.

Th'Pusher

03-10-2017, 12:04 AM

... So much better than Killary. But yeah Health Care is complicated.

Hillary found that out in the 1990's

pgardn

03-10-2017, 12:08 AM

Still chasing that 30" trout. Got a 29 -1/2 fishing a tournament about 5 years ago.

Baffin Bay.

Spring Is upon us. Best chance imo. My best is only 28 1/2.

Personally I would rather hunt slot reds in back lakes. When I go with my cousin we trout fish with plastics on backside of St, Jose. Sun comes up more, hit the lakes with spoons and the fun begins. Requires a boat from Rockport though. The wading is very tough in the lakes but it's too much fun. In actual Aransas bay you get the nicer sandy bottoms to wade for trout. Also like St. Charles with the oysters.for trout. The alligator I photographed on the other page was in a back lake in St. Charles. Redfish bay is also great with miles of skinny water for reds.

This winter was so mild the bait fish really never left and the trout fishing was much more consistent. I love saltwater wade fishing. Especially if I can find a real quiet muddy oyster ridden place with the kayak. The air boats and skinny water boats avoid them. Fence lake on the backside of St. joes is absolutely run over by air boats but I have found some places to wade they avoid. The idiots run over so many reds because they are not in large schools as often. And they can't see them in the slightly mudder water running so fast so as not to get stuck.

Gonna get a peddle drive and visit rigs off shore on nice days. Catch some jacks and kings for fun and try to get some snapper closer to the rigs. The red snapper are really picked on, but I think I know how to get mangrove snapper for some great meat. They got some 5-12 lb mangrove snapper. Seen em snorkeling. Just gotta try some different methods and see what works. They hang so close to the rigs and just dive back in and cut the line. Gonna have to horse em out with larger tackle.

i could write about fishing forever...

pgardn

03-10-2017, 12:12 AM

BRW didn't quit wading just can't do mud anymore.

Damn that's to bad.
I stay in shape for kayaking and wadefishing. My knees are still good though. Cut out some running and replace with swimming and biking. Only run on soft surfaces and buy really good shoes.

pgardn

03-10-2017, 12:21 AM

You should check out the TKF forum. I've got two wilderness rides and have been kayaking at the coast since '98 before academy knew what a kayak was *sigh*. Had to slow my wade fishing down after the knee issue but still get out.

In have a 20 yo Ocean Kyak Drifter made for scuba in the pacific. The well in back is shaped for oxygen tanks. But it perfect for skinny water and it's 34" wide so I can stand and cast if wading starts getting difficult. It's a beast but getting thin. The oysters have taken their toll on the underside.

DMC

03-10-2017, 09:45 AM

oh the runs through the jetties... Excellent. That is a fat mother. As fat as I have ever seen, But to eat... nope. They caught a frkn 54" inch redfish this winter in PA channel. That is a monster for Texas

I don't eat redfish anyhow, too bloody and I hate cleaning them, though there's a trick where you can poke your finger beneath their pectoral fin into their heart region and bleed them to reduce the bloodline. I catch and release mostly, only keep a couple trout, mangrove snapper and flounder now and then (offshore fish notwithstanding of course).

I caught one over 50" a few weeks back, 12lb test on a 2500 Shimano... took forever to land. Had to give chase.

DMC

03-10-2017, 09:53 AM

Baffin Bay.

Spring Is upon us. Best chance imo. My best is only 28 1/2.

Personally I would rather hunt slot reds in back lakes. When I go with my cousin we trout fish with plastics on backside of St, Jose. Sun comes up more, hit the lakes with spoons and the fun begins. Requires a boat from Rockport though. The wading is very tough in the lakes but it's too much fun. In actual Aransas bay you get the nicer sandy bottoms to wade for trout. Also like St. Charles with the oysters.for trout. The alligator I photographed on the other page was in a back lake in St. Charles. Redfish bay is also great with miles of skinny water for reds.

This winter was so mild the bait fish really never left and the trout fishing was much more consistent. I love saltwater wade fishing. Especially if I can find a real quiet muddy oyster ridden place with the kayak. The air boats and skinny water boats avoid them. Fence lake on the backside of St. joes is absolutely run over by air boats but I have found some places to wade they avoid. The idiots run over so many reds because they are not in large schools as often. And they can't see them in the slightly mudder water running so fast so as not to get stuck.

Gonna get a peddle drive and visit rigs off shore on nice days. Catch some jacks and kings for fun and try to get some snapper closer to the rigs. The red snapper are really picked on, but I think I know how to get mangrove snapper for some great meat. They got some 5-12 lb mangrove snapper. Seen em snorkeling. Just gotta try some different methods and see what works. They hang so close to the rigs and just dive back in and cut the line. Gonna have to horse em out with larger tackle.

i could write about fishing forever...

Get you some 40lb flouro leader and upgrade your drag washers to carbontex so you can lock it down pretty well, then your drag is still going to be how well you can hold the kayak from moving into the rig.

We often leave the boat running and when we hook up the other guy backs out quick to drag the fish off the structure. Then you can fight how you like once in more open water.

The spanish macks are thick as well in open water, mixed with some kings so that's always fun (and they are decent table fare as well, though I don't care for kings).

boutons_deux

03-10-2017, 10:05 AM

Repugs pre-emptively trashing the CBO scoring that will show how badly Trashcare will FUCK Trash's supporters.

rmt

03-10-2017, 10:12 AM

Repugs pre-emptively trashing the CBO scoring that will show how badly Trashcare will FUCK Trash's supporters.

Do you blame them, boutons, after the CBO's disastrous scoring of ACA? CBO was so off on enrollment and cost - it's almost like the election polls.

boutons_deux

03-10-2017, 10:30 AM

Do you blame them, boutons, after the CBO's disastrous scoring of ACA? CBO was so off on enrollment and cost - it's almost like the election polls.

the Repugs are always blameworthy. as are you for your blind ideology

Repug, having insulted Warren with ancient obscure RULE, now want to break congressional rules to force their sociopathic shit through

pgardn

03-10-2017, 10:33 AM

I don't eat redfish anyhow, too bloody and I hate cleaning them, though there's a trick where you can poke your finger beneath their pectoral fin into their heart region and bleed them to reduce the bloodline. I catch and release mostly, only keep a couple trout, mangrove snapper and flounder now and then (offshore fish notwithstanding of course).

I caught one over 50" a few weeks back, 12lb test on a 2500 Shimano... took forever to land. Had to give chase.

They are a pain to clean. They eat the best of knifes or electric blades. The smaller slots 20-22 are the best to eat. I really don't mind the red strip. It's not that big on small fish.

I have heard about that bleeding out, but my fish stay on my stringer as I am wading. Don't get on ice till I get back to my truck. I will try that on my cousins boat possibly. I like em half shell on the grill so I'm fine with the taste as long as they are slots.

pgardn

03-10-2017, 10:39 AM

Get you some 40lb flouro leader and upgrade your drag washers to carbontex so you can lock it down pretty well, then your drag is still going to be how well you can hold the kayak from moving into the rig.

We often leave the boat running and when we hook up the other guy backs out quick to drag the fish off the structure. Then you can fight how you like once in more open water.

The spanish macks are thick as well in open water, mixed with some kings so that's always fun (and they are decent table fare as well, though I don't care for kings).

I just watched a you tube on replacing drag ball bearings to ceramic.

Yeah on a yak this breakage is gonna be a problem. But since the mangove snapper are smaller I might be able to get it done. There must be some technique because I know there are some yakers who do this. I won't eat kings.

Spanish Mackerel? How do you make them? I had a couple of rounds with those oily bastards and never keep them?

DMC

03-10-2017, 11:03 AM

I just watched a you tube on replacing drag ball bearings to ceramic.

Yeah on a yak this breakage is gonna be a problem. But since the mangove snapper are smaller I might be able to get it done. There must be some technique because I know there are some yakers who do this. I won't eat kings.

Spanish Mackerel? How do you make them? I had a couple of rounds with those oily bastards and never keep them?

Drag shouldn't have ball bearings, it's a braking system. Your spool will have bearings that work drag on or off. The drag will have washers.

Blake

03-10-2017, 12:15 PM

Ask me again in a few decades but who wants to live to be 90? Imagine you're like 95. You remember 40 years ago you were 55. You still couldn't sustain an erection. You cannot even remember ever sustaining an erection.

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/boner_7930.jpg

DMC

03-10-2017, 12:49 PM

I just watched a you tube on replacing drag ball bearings to ceramic.

Yeah on a yak this breakage is gonna be a problem. But since the mangove snapper are smaller I might be able to get it done. There must be some technique because I know there are some yakers who do this. I won't eat kings.

Spanish Mackerel? How do you make them? I had a couple of rounds with those oily bastards and never keep them?

Grill the fillets, use a very sharp knife (I use Dekker) and remove the skin, leaving a solid fillet. You'll need a solid grill, or some foil. They also make good ceviche. Teeth like razor blades, be careful handling them.

pgardn

03-10-2017, 11:04 PM

Drag shouldn't have ball bearings, it's a braking system. Your spool will have bearings that work drag on or off. The drag will have washers.

Im gonna need a bigger bait caster. I use a smaller Lews reel and it casts great. But your right, they were talking about the Al bearings replaced with ceramic bearings. If I can cast all sorts of lures with small adjustments I'm not touching the braking yet. Maybe when it's older.

Cant you just clamp down on the drag with a bigger bait caster? I think I might have the bait to preferentially target the mangrove snapper. And of course backing up with the kayak is not gonna do it, even with the reverse peddle drives they have, Its too slow.

pgardn

03-10-2017, 11:10 PM

Grill the fillets, use a very sharp knife (I use Dekker) and remove the skin, leaving a solid fillet. You'll need a solid grill, or some foil. They also make good ceviche. Teeth like razor blades, be careful handling them.

Any suggested seasoning/marinade on the Spanish Mackerel? 2 more months and I should get some. When I get closer to the passes. They are fun to catch but I have thrown so many back. I know they are around when I get my line cut by a quick little run. Get the lure with the longer hook shanks and hook them in the mouth is the only way. I don't like changing my leader because I feel like the trout see it.

monosylab1k

03-10-2017, 11:13 PM

839900437658611714

monosylab1k

03-10-2017, 11:16 PM

839921058257973248

monosylab1k

03-10-2017, 11:19 PM

839885022576390144

SnakeBoy

03-10-2017, 11:19 PM

Any suggested seasoning/marinade on the Spanish Mackerel? 2 more months and I should get some. When I get closer to the passes. They are fun to catch but I have thrown so many back. I know they are around when I get my line cut by a quick little run. Get the lure with the longer hook shanks and hook them in the mouth is the only way. I don't like changing my leader because I feel like the trout see it.

Soak the fillets in milk for an hour then season however you like.

mavsfan1000

03-10-2017, 11:20 PM

Should've gone with Rand Paul. Might as well see how well the AHCA goes. It might look good by phase 3.

SnakeBoy

03-10-2017, 11:24 PM

Should've gone with Rand Paul. Might as well see how well the AHCA goes. It might look good by phase 3.

Paul an idiot. Just saw him saying to repeal and then they could debate all of the GOP replace plans and even plans the Dems come up with and everyone would reach consensus that way :lol.

AaronY

03-14-2017, 07:44 AM

So word is breitbart and maybe Bannon (if he's still working behind the scenes with them) looking to tank this healthcare plan and maybe take Paul Ryan down with it too. Supposedly that's why breitbart is releasing the audio of Ryan's remarks about trump on its site today. Read this on Ben Shapiro, Josh Barrow and Chris Hayes Twitter just now. That's their theory at least

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/13/exclusive-audio-emerges-of-when-paul-ryan-abandoned-donald-trump-i-am-not-going-to-defend-donald-trump-not-now-not-in-the-future/

They are guessing Trump will see this and explode. Who knows how accurate their guesses are

Will Hunting

03-14-2017, 07:47 AM

AaronY

03-14-2017, 07:47 AM

https://mobile.twitter.com/jbarro/status/841439295428784128

https://mobile.twitter.com/benshapiro/status/841505171209297921
https://mobile.twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/841493832676048896
https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAMandel/status/841429509496799232/photo/1

Will Hunting

03-14-2017, 07:49 AM

Both parties currently suck with healthcare.
That's because they're trying to come up with a magical healthcare plan that works for all Americans and also keeps money in the insurance company's pockets when the two are mutually exclusive.

boutons_deux

03-14-2017, 09:15 AM

real problem is that our healthcare system is controlled by for profit insurance companies.

of COURSE they see it, but are well paid whores to vote like they're blind

Fabbs

03-14-2017, 09:21 AM

It amazes me how Americans have watched politicians trip over their own dicks on healthcare for decades now and still can't see the real problem is that our healthcare system is controlled by for profit insurance companies.
This.
I hope we all can go as peacefully as possible when it's our time.
But the money grab that comes out when elderly are at obvious end-of-life stage is ridiculous.
And/or ER visits whereupon the same tests are duplicated, triplicated, quad that the patient already had just a short time earlier at his HMOs etc.
But but but we can't have medical record communication among competing businesses.

boutons_deux

03-14-2017, 09:35 AM

http://gizmodo.com/report-white-houses-own-analysis-of-trumpcare-is-even-1793246662?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmodo%2Ffull+%28Gizmodo%29

Reck

03-14-2017, 11:07 AM

Breitbart already in damage control protecting Trump and putting Ryan on blast. :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0333_-gMKiw

AaronY

03-14-2017, 11:45 AM

Breitbart already in damage control protecting Trump and putting Ryan on blast. :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0333_-gMKiw
Seeabove

baseline bum

03-14-2017, 12:31 PM

LOL even Savannah Guthrie was shitting on Price this morning on NBC. LOL when she told Price "when you say access, is that like if I'm sitting at home and I make $25,000 a year, I have access to buying a BMW, but I can't afford it." To which Price went to the :cry biased media :cry that's what Sanders said and you're just repeating it :cry garbage.

baseline bum

03-14-2017, 12:49 PM

Breitbart already in damage control protecting Trump and putting Ryan on blast. :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0333_-gMKiw

With Breitbart being essentially the state media now, is this Trump getting ready to throw Ryan under the bus for this laughable healthcare plan?

Reck

03-14-2017, 12:58 PM

With Breitbart being essentially the state media now, is this Trump getting ready to throw Ryan under the bus for this laughable healthcare plan?

Hell yeah. Bannon hates Ryan's guts. He wanted him gone even before the elections.

Dude's a mastermind pulling Trump's strings. The healthcare blow up gives Trump an easy out while Ryan sinks with the ship. :lol

baseline bum

03-14-2017, 01:12 PM

Hell yeah. Bannon hates Ryan's guts. He wanted him gone even before the elections.

Dude's a mastermind pulling Trump's strings. The healthcare blow up gives Trump an easy out while Ryan sinks with the ship. :lol

It would be funny. Ryan is the worst piece of shit in Washington right now and Trump pinning this disastrous bill on Ryan could be a shot across the bow to any Republican who might be trying to kill off Medicare. Ryan's hard-on for Medicare privatization is what killed the GOP's shot at the presidency in what was a very winnable 2012 election.

boutons_deux

03-14-2017, 01:56 PM

the Freedom Kockus has wanted Ryan to make like Boner and quit

Trill Clinton

03-14-2017, 02:43 PM

How embarrassing. Rethuglicans whined about Obamacare like they had a much better option only to release trumpcare which is worse. Sad!

AaronY

03-15-2017, 02:38 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C64XqHuXUAA2w2N.jpg

Spurminator

03-15-2017, 03:24 PM

842094666677870592

Spurminator

03-15-2017, 03:24 PM

Wrong thread. Oh well.

spurraider21

03-16-2017, 12:06 AM

:lol tax write-offs as a replacement for subsidies

that shit only benefits people who...

a) make enough money to the point where taxes affect them
b) have enough money left over to actually buy a health insurance plan in the first place

does next to nothing for people struggling to pay rent and have no money left over for health insurance

baseline bum

03-16-2017, 12:10 AM

spurraider21

03-16-2017, 12:13 AM

:lol HSA for a nation with half its residents living paycheck to paycheckhey poor people, if you buy a porsche, we'll give you a rebate! just as good as a food stamp!

baseline bum

03-16-2017, 12:14 AM

hey poor people, if you buy a porsche, we'll give you a rebate! just as good as a food stamp!

:lmao

baseline bum

03-16-2017, 12:17 AM

hey poor people, if you buy a porsche, we'll give you a rebate! just as good as a food stamp!

They have to buy the Porsche every year though

spurraider21

03-16-2017, 12:19 AM

They have to buy the Porsche every year thoughbasically a perpetual lease

and then you factor in the border tax

ElNono

03-16-2017, 03:55 AM

:lol Price

"We have one third of the physicians in this nation who are not seeing Medicaid patients and so if we want to be honest with ourselves as a society it's important that we step back and say why is that?" he said. "Let me just suggest that it's because the Medicaid program has real problems in it."

So what do you do when 33% of doctors don't want to see Medicaid patients? Defund and shrink Medicaid some more! That's really gonna get those doctors onboard! Brilliant! smdh

Trill Clinton

03-16-2017, 05:13 PM

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rust belt cacs: MAGA!

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TeyshaBlue

03-16-2017, 05:31 PM

clambake

03-16-2017, 05:43 PM

AaronY

03-17-2017, 05:22 AM

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Reck

03-17-2017, 05:28 AM

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Him and Hillary got a lot in common.

Both are 2 time losers.

iirc wasn't his stance on medicare and social security one of his down fall in 2012? Talk about a dog that cant learn new tricks. He's about to get booted off his speakership when this all falls apart and he gets blamed.

mavsfan1000

03-17-2017, 01:26 PM

They are still making changes to it. It will be a thing of beauty by phase 3.

rmt

03-17-2017, 03:43 PM

Him and Hillary got a lot in common.

Both are 2 time losers.

iirc wasn't his stance on medicare and social security one of his down fall in 2012? Talk about a dog that cant learn new tricks. He's about to get booted off his speakership when this all falls apart and he gets blamed.

You don't think something has to be done about SS and Medicare? It can't continue as it currently is or it won't be there for you and me (not in anywhere near its current form). Nobody wants to talk about politically disastrous upcoming stuff - SS, Medicare, Medicaid and pension/health liabilities. We can stick our heads in the sand and kick the bucket down the road but soon it'll catch up with us and it'll be much harder to deal with then than starting now.

Quadzilla99

03-17-2017, 05:13 PM

They are still making changes to it. It will be a thing of beauty by phase 3.

Of course you do

Th'Pusher

03-17-2017, 07:14 PM

You don't think something has to be done about SS and Medicare? It can't continue as it currently is or it won't be there for you and me (not in anywhere near its current form). Nobody wants to talk about politically disastrous upcoming stuff - SS, Medicare, Medicaid and pension/health liabilities. We can stick our heads in the sand and kick the bucket down the road but soon it'll catch up with us and it'll be much harder to deal with then than starting now.

But your boy Trump campaigned on not touching social security or Medicare. Now you want him to break the promises he made to the millions of voters for which that was a key issue?

spurraider21

03-17-2017, 07:32 PM

But your boy Trump campaigned on not touching social security or Medicare. Now you want him to break the promises he made to the millions of voters for which that was a key issue?he tells it like it is

rmt

03-17-2017, 08:10 PM

But your boy Trump campaigned on not touching social security or Medicare. Now you want him to break the promises he made to the millions of voters for which that was a key issue?

Although I don't like Ryan, he knows his numbers and is willing to put something that's political suicide out there. I would prefer for the nation to start a conversation about all these liabilities - the sooner we address them, the easier and less painful the eventual remedy.

As far as Trump is concerned, I don't even think he knows the severity of the problem. He is all for winning which touching SS, Medicare, Medicaid and pensions would kill. Just because he won't sign anything that touches them doesn't change my belief that something should be done about them. Where do you guys get the idea that because I voted for Trump I agree with everything he says or does. I hope that maybe if he were elected for a 2nd term and wasn't running again, he would sign something to raise the age?

Quadzilla99

03-17-2017, 08:23 PM

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rmt

03-18-2017, 04:54 AM

I'm hearing that work requirement has been added to the proposal for Medicaid - I assume for those who are able-bodied.

Th'Pusher

03-18-2017, 08:44 AM

Although I don't like Ryan, he knows his numbers and is willing to put something that's political suicide out there. I would prefer for the nation to start a conversation about all these liabilities - the sooner we address them, the easier and less painful the eventual remedy.

As far as Trump is concerned, I don't even think he knows the severity of the problem. He is all for winning which touching SS, Medicare, Medicaid and pensions would kill. Just because he won't sign anything that touches them doesn't change my belief that something should be done about them. Where do you guys get the idea that because I voted for Trump I agree with everything he says or does. I hope that maybe if he were elected for a 2nd term and wasn't running again, he would sign something to raise the age?

It's beyond ridiculous to me that you would vote for somebody who didn't "understand the severity of the problem" of entitlements while actively campaigning not to touch them.

And I'd challenge you on Ryan knowing his numbers. Every budget he's ever proposed has been littered with supply side fairy dust that has no basis in reality.

ElNono

03-18-2017, 12:14 PM

I'm hearing that work requirement has been added to the proposal for Medicaid - I assume for those who are able-bodied.

:lol Probably not, that was to appease the freedom caucus. Those guys would just rather kill Medicaid entirely. Funny thing is additions like that make it less likely to survive passage in the Senate.

Will Hunting

03-18-2017, 01:21 PM

Although I don't like Ryan, he knows his numbers and is willing to put something that's political suicide out there. I would prefer for the nation to start a conversation about all these liabilities - the sooner we address them, the easier and less painful the eventual remedy.

As far as Trump is concerned, I don't even think he knows the severity of the problem. He is all for winning which touching SS, Medicare, Medicaid and pensions would kill. Just because he won't sign anything that touches them doesn't change my belief that something should be done about them. Where do you guys get the idea that because I voted for Trump I agree with everything he says or does. I hope that maybe if he were elected for a 2nd term and wasn't running again, he would sign something to raise the age?
Lol "Paul Ryan knows his numbers"

Paul Ryan knows the same "cutting taxes for the rich + increasing military spending = lower deficit" magic math that Reagan invented 35 years ago

mavsfan1000

03-18-2017, 03:20 PM

Lol "Paul Ryan knows his numbers"

Paul Ryan knows the same "cutting taxes for the rich + increasing military spending = lower deficit" magic math that Reagan invented 35 years ago

The key word is Corporate. And their success is very important for businesses across the USA. Not a surprise the Economy is doing so great under Trump.

Will Hunting

03-18-2017, 03:40 PM

The key word is Corporate. And their success is very important for businesses across the USA. Not a surprise the Economy is doing so great under Trump.
What specific policies enacted by Trump in his 2 months as president are causing the economy to do so well?

Will Hunting

03-18-2017, 03:41 PM

I also don't understand how cutting taxes for rich people has anything to do with the performance of corporation.

Quadzilla99

03-18-2017, 03:44 PM

The taxes haven't even changed yet.

mavsfan1000

03-18-2017, 04:30 PM

The taxes haven't even changed yet.
Yeah imagine how great businesses will be doing when it does. He has already reduced regulations.

Quadzilla99

03-18-2017, 04:30 PM

You sound like a cult member.

z0sa

03-18-2017, 04:33 PM

The key word is Corporate. And their success is very important for businesses across the USA. Not a surprise the Economy is doing so great under Trump.

You should thank the preceding XO, Obama in this case, for basically any situation that occurs during the first months of the newly elected one.

spurraider21

03-18-2017, 04:37 PM

You sound like a cult member.:lol "sound like"

mavsfan1000

03-18-2017, 04:54 PM

You sound like a cult member.
I sound like someone really into Politics.

mavsfan1000

03-18-2017, 04:55 PM

You should thank the preceding XO, Obama in this case, for basically any situation that occurs during the first months of the newly elected one.
Um no. I'll thank Trump on all the jobs he is creating.

Will Hunting

03-18-2017, 05:07 PM

Yeah imagine how great businesses will be doing when it does. He has already reduced regulations.
How did he reduce regulations? Be specific.

Quadzilla99

03-18-2017, 05:10 PM

Do you think he's in the top 10 presidents in history yet, mavsfan1000?

Will Hunting

03-18-2017, 05:13 PM

Do you think he's in the top 10 presidents in history yet, mavsfan1000?
Seeing that he's not able to even recite one fucking policy or deregulation Trump has enacted that's contributing to the "great economy", Im not sure how he'd know where Trump would rank among other presidents :lol

baseline bum

03-18-2017, 05:42 PM

Seeing that he's not able to even recite one fucking policy or deregulation Trump has enacted that's contributing to the "great economy", Im not sure how he'd know where Trump would rank among other presidents :lol

He's terrific, the best president out of 45.

monosylab1k

03-18-2017, 06:19 PM

He's terrific, the best president out of 45.

Jordan, top 50 NBA player. Trump, top 50 POTUS. Not a coincidence, imho.

rmt

03-18-2017, 09:04 PM

It's beyond ridiculous to me that you would vote for somebody who didn't "understand the severity of the problem" of entitlements while actively campaigning not to touch them.

And I'd challenge you on Ryan knowing his numbers. Every budget he's ever proposed has been littered with supply side fairy dust that has no basis in reality.

So, I should have voted for someone who was promising free tuition, continuing Obamacare, etc instead? And no, I don't think Trump put much thought into regular people's SS during the campaign, how it's calculated, how long they're getting it for and the minute details of it. It's not something rich people think about - but he's knows it's political suicide to tackle it - especially if he plans to run again - as I said earlier maybe in a possible second term when he's not worried about winning.

I see Ryan as another RINO - caved on Obama's equal domestic for military spending - running up the debt even more.

baseline bum

03-18-2017, 09:33 PM

So, I should have voted for someone who was promising free tuition, continuing Obamacare, etc instead?

Free tuition :lmao

Right like Clinton could have ever gotten that done through Ryan's house :lmao

Trumptards taking that empty promise seriously. :lol

And no, I don't think Trump put much thought into regular people's SS during the campaign

No fucking shit, he doesn't put much thought into anything. He'd rather just lie and spew conspiracy theories while blaming all his faults on the media.

how it's calculated, how long they're getting it for and the minute details of it. It's not something rich people think about - but he's knows it's political suicide to tackle it - especially if he plans to run again - as I said earlier maybe in a possible second term when he's not worried about winning.

He seems intent on taking his voters' healthcare away. Why not take away their SS too? He could shoot someone and he wouldn't lose any votes.

I see Ryan as another RINO - caved on Obama's equal domestic for military spending - running up the debt even more.

LOL he seems pretty fucking rightwing to everyone but you with his kill Medicare, kill the ACA, and kill Medicaid plans. How much more ideologically pure does he need to be? Does he need to claim Obama wiretapped him and Clinton would have declared marshall law and rounded everyone up into FEMA trailers?

rmt

03-18-2017, 10:44 PM

If it were left to me, they'd (both sides) be fired and term limits on everybody including these judges would be instituted. Rotate out and corruption is much less likely. These people are for themselves and getting re-elected and not for us, the people. And add a balanced budget and the politicians living under the same laws, healthcare, retirement, etc. as us. But it's not up to me and we each vote for an imperfect side - and I chose the republican side - they at least pretend that they want to waste/spend less of our taxpayer dollars.

baseline bum

03-18-2017, 11:59 PM

mavsfan1000

03-19-2017, 12:38 AM

Hillary wanted an open door policy. The opposite of Bill. Hillary and Merkel can go fuck themselves.

AaronY

03-19-2017, 10:48 AM

I also don't understand how cutting taxes for rich people has anything to do with the performance of corporation.
It doesn't but the basic plan is:"Hey, I'm gonna cut the taxes of all the top 1% and shit all over the healthcare system for everyone else but dont you worry white trash in all the rural areas I'll be sure to go around bullying all the Muslims and Mexicans so you feel special too"

Splits

03-19-2017, 05:34 PM

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mavsfan1000

03-19-2017, 06:38 PM

It doesn't but the basic plan is:"Hey, I'm gonna cut the taxes of all the top 1% and shit all over the healthcare system for everyone else but dont you worry white trash in all the rural areas I'll be sure to go around bullying all the Muslims and Mexicans so you feel special too"
The key word is cut. They were overtaxed under Obama. Trump just bringing it back where it should be. The middle class got screwed by Obamacare. Hopefully AHC Act gets rid of the entitlement issues Obamacare had. Which the middle class ended up paying for.

Will Hunting

03-20-2017, 12:05 AM

The key word is cut. They were overtaxed under Obama. Trump just bringing it back where it should be. The middle class got screwed by Obamacare. Hopefully AHC Act gets rid of the entitlement issues Obamacare had. Which the middle class ended up paying for.
Still waiting for you to explain a specific policy Trump has put into place that's leading to a better economy.

Will Hunting

03-20-2017, 12:07 AM

It doesn't but the basic plan is:"Hey, I'm gonna cut the taxes of all the top 1% and shit all over the healthcare system for everyone else but dont you worry white trash in all the rural areas I'll be sure to go around bullying all the Muslims and Mexicans so you feel special too"
You forgot "Don't you worry dumb white trash, if I cut taxes for da rich it'll trickle down to all the hard working common folk like yourselves! A rising tide lifts all the ships!"

ElNono

03-20-2017, 03:23 AM

You forgot "Don't you worry dumb white trash, if I cut taxes for da rich it'll trickle down to all the hard working common folk like yourselves! A rising tide lifts all the ships!"

:lol

mavsfan1000

03-20-2017, 03:40 AM

Still waiting for you to explain a specific policy Trump has put into place that's leading to a better economy.
Well not mandating Obamacare should help quite a bit. Screw Romney for thinking Insurance should be a law.

Will Hunting

03-20-2017, 07:25 AM

Well not mandating Obamacare should help quite a bit. Screw Romney for thinking Insurance should be a law.
Obamacare as it stands is still a mandate, while you previously said Trump has already done stuff to make the economy better. Are you now back pedaling?

boutons_deux

03-20-2017, 10:13 AM

"Insurance should be a law"

you mean like automobile insurance is a law?

boutons_deux

03-20-2017, 10:37 AM

Y'all ignorant white knitter-hatin assholes criticized Muslim Barack HUSSEIN Obamacare because it did not reduce costs directly (but, FACT, it does indirectly)

Note that Ryan's Trumpcare does NOTHING to reduce insurance/health care costs. Y'all not bitchin bout that?

It only cuts taxes for the wealthy by several $100Bs and makes citizens pay more costs, so much more that they won't be able to pay for health care, killing 10Ks of Americans.

boutons_deux

03-20-2017, 01:14 PM

Trump admits his health care plan would benefit rich investors, screw over people who voted for him

He didn’t even pretend otherwise.

CARLSON: This bill has as one of its centerpieces a tax-cut for investors that would primarily benefit people making over $250,000 a year. They’ve already done pretty well in the past ten years, as you know.

TRUMP: Yeah.

CARLSON: A Bloomberg analysis showed that counties that voted for you — middle-class and working-class counties — would do far less well under this bill —

TRUMP: Yeah. Oh, I know.

CARLSON: — than the counties that voted for Hillary, the more affluent counties.

TRUMP: I know. It’s very preliminary.

CARLSON: It seems like maybe this isn’t consistent with the last election.

TRUMP: No. A lot of things aren’t consistent. But this is going to be negotiated.

He never said anything more to address the actual substance of the legislation and the impact it’ll have on the many Americans who depend on the insurance they can access through Obamacare, which they would lose.

The Bloomberg analysis (https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-14/trump-s-counties-lose-out-to-clinton-s-in-gop-health-tax-cuts) Carlson referenced found that taxpayers in counties that voted for Hillary Clinton in the election would receive a disproportionate share of the tax cut compared to those in counties that voted for Trump.

That’s because the plan cuts an additional Medicare tax that generally only more wealthy people, like those who live in or near the cities that voted for Clinton, have to pay.

There were, in fact, several hundred counties that voted for Trump in which not a single person paid the tax, so literally nobody in those counties would benefit from the tax cut.

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-health-care-admission-dd759907622f#.m26whyhk2

spurraider21

03-21-2017, 03:18 AM

:lol going on election style campaigns to rail against obamacare... reminds me of south park quite a bit. you guys should support the turd sandwich healthcare because... remember how bad the giant douche healthcare was

if you want people to get behind trumpcare, try improving trumpcare

mavsfan1000

03-21-2017, 03:57 AM

Splits

03-21-2017, 02:59 PM

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Oh look, I get a tax cut.

spurraider21

03-21-2017, 03:21 PM

Now with all those savings the millionaires will provide more jobs, silly

boutons_deux

03-21-2017, 03:24 PM

Trash bullying Repugs to vote for Trashcare or Trash will attack them in 2018 election

boutons_deux

03-21-2017, 04:12 PM

Trump Budget Director Takes Aim at “Wasteful” Social Security Program That Helps Disabled Americans (https://theintercept.com/2017/03/20/trump-budget-director-takes-aim-at-wasteful-social-security-program-that-helps-disabled-americans/)

Mulvaney replied by pivoting to the specific issue of Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI), a program administered by the Social Security Administration that aids disabled Americans. He complained about the program’s cost and indicated that the administration wants to alter it.

“Let me ask you a question, do you really think that Social Security disability insurance is part of what people think of when they think of Social Security? I don’t think so,” he said, with a slight grin on his face. “It’s the fastest growing program. It was — it grew tremendously under President Obama. It’s a very wasteful program and we want to try and fix that.”

It is hardly an easy program to enroll in — the Social Security Administration rejects a majority of those who apply for disability payments. The Center for Budget and Policy Priorities notes (http://www.cbpp.org/research/retirement-security/policy-basics-social-security-disability-insurance) that fewer than 400 of 1,000 initial applications for approval are accepted.

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/20/trump-budget-director-takes-aim-at-wasteful-social-security-program-that-helps-disabled-americans/

The evil sociopathy continues unabated, by wealthy assholes unaffected by their own decisions.

boutons_deux

03-22-2017, 01:37 PM

Jolting Joe B punching hard

Republicans’ Worst Nightmare Comes True As Joe Biden Returns To Annihilate Trumpcare

There’s nothing fundamentally changed in the Republican Party in the last 12-15 years except they got a president now who’s a little more colorful.

But look, folks here’s the deal, when you cut to the chase, we’re talking about eliminating close to a trillion dollars in benefits that go to people to be able to meet the commitment that we made to people that healthcare is a right, and transferring that to the wealthy.

That’s what this is all about.

It’s about a transfer tax, basically.

Eliminating the Affordable Care Act means eliminating an awful lot of things that people badly need in return

for what?

So the .9 percent in taxes for people making over 250,000 couples can be returned to them?

So drug companies and insurance companies and medical device companies can benefit?

It’s a transfer of about a trillion dollars to those folks out there from everybody in the country.

That’s what this is, and that’s classic Republican politics.

This is a tax bill to them.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/03/22/republicans-worst-nightmare-true-joe-biden-returns-annihilate-trumpcare.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29