View Full Version : Vault 7---Wikileaks releases trove of alleged CIA hacking documents
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/07/world/europe/wikileaks-cia-hacking.html?_r=0
WASHINGTON — WikiLeaks on Tuesday released thousands of documents that it said described sophisticated software tools used by the Central Intelligence Agency to break into smartphones, computers and even Internet-connected televisions.
If the documents are authentic, as appeared likely at first review, the release would be the latest coup for the anti-secrecy organization and a serious blow to the C.I.A., which maintains its own hacking capabilities to be used for espionage.
The initial release, which WikiLeaks said was only the first part of the document collection, included 7,818 web pages with 943 attachments, the group said. The entire archive of C.I.A. material consists of several hundred million lines of computer code, it said.
Among other disclosures that, if confirmed, would rock the technology world, the WikiLeaks release said that the C.I.A. and allied intelligence services had managed to bypass encryption on popular phone and messaging services such as Signal, WhatsApp and Telegram. According to the statement from WikiLeaks, government hackers can penetrate Android phones and collect “audio and message traffic before encryption is applied.”
The source of the documents was not named. WikiLeaks said the documents, which it called Vault 7, had been “circulated among former U.S. government hackers and contractors in an unauthorized manner, one of whom has provided WikiLeaks with portions of the archive.”
WikiLeaks said the source, in a statement, set out policy questions that “urgently need to be debated in public, including whether the C.I.A.’s hacking capabilities exceed its mandated powers and the problem of public oversight of the agency.” The source, the group said, “wishes to initiate a public debate about the security, creation, use, proliferation and democratic control of cyberweapons.”
The documents, from the C.I.A’s Center for Cyber Intelligence, are dated from 2013 to 2016, and WikiLeaks described them as “the largest ever publication of confidential documents on the agency.” One former intelligence officer who briefly reviewed the documents on Tuesday morning said some of the code names for C.I.A. programs, an organization chart and the description of a C.I.A. hacking base appeared to be genuine.
A C.I.A. spokesman, Dean Boyd, said, “We do not comment on the authenticity or content of purported intelligence documents.”
WikiLeaks, which has sometimes been accused of recklessly leaking information that could do harm, said it had redacted names and other identifying information from the collection. It said it was not releasing the computer code for actual, usable cyberweapons “until a consensus emerges on the technical and political nature of the C.I.A.’s program and how such ‘weapons’ should be analyzed, disarmed and published.”
Some of the details of the C.I.A. programs might have come from the plot of a spy novel for the cyberage, revealing numerous highly classified — and in some cases, exotic — hacking programs. One, code-named Weeping Angel, uses Samsung “smart” televisions as covert listening devices. According to the WikiLeaks news release, even when it appears to be turned off, the television “operates as a bug, recording conversations in the room and sending them over the internet to a covert C.I.A. server.”
The release said the program was developed in cooperation with British intelligence.
If C.I.A. agents did manage to hack the smart TVs, they would not be the only ones. Since their release, internet-connected televisions have been a focus for hackers and cybersecurity experts, many of whom see the sets’ ability to record and transmit conversations as a potentially dangerous vulnerability.
In early 2015, Samsung appeared to acknowledge the televisions posed a risk to privacy. The fine print terms of service included with its smart TVs said that the television sets could capture background conversations, and that they could be passed on to third parties.
The company also provided a remarkably blunt warning: “Please be aware that if your spoken words include personal or other sensitive information, that information will be among the data captured and transmitted to a third party through your use of Voice Recognition.”
Another program described in the documents, named Umbrage, is a voluminous library of cyberattack techniques that the C.I.A. has collected from malware produced by other countries, including Russia. According to the WikiLeaks release, the large number of techniques allows the C.I.A. to mask the origin of some of its cyberattacks and confuse forensic investigators.
Assuming the release is authentic, it marks the latest in a series of huge leaks that have changed the landscape for government and corporate secrecy.
In scale, the Vault 7 archive appears to fall into the same category as the biggest leaks of classified information in recent years, including the quarter-million diplomatic cables taken by Chelsea Manning, the former Army intelligence analyst, and given to WikiLeaks in 2010, and the hundreds of thousands of documents taken from the National Security Agency by Edward J. Snowden and given to journalists in 2013.
In the business world, the so-called Panama Papers and several other large-volume leaks have laid bare the details of secret offshore companies used by wealthy and corrupt people to hide their assets.
Both government and corporate leaks have been made possible by the ease of downloading, storing and transferring millions of documents in seconds or minutes, a sea change from the use of slow photocopying for some earlier leaks, including the Pentagon Papers in 1971.
The National Security Agency and the military’s closely related Cyber Command have the most extensive capabilities for breaking into foreign communications and computer networks and, if required, destroying them. But the C.I.A. maintains a parallel set of programs, mainly for gathering information.
A set of N.S.A. hacking tools, evidently leaked from the agency or stolen in an electronic break-in, was put up for auction on the web last summer by a group calling itself the Shadow Brokers. Those tools were among the N.S.A.’s arsenal for penetrating foreign computer networks. At first glance the Vault 7 programs appeared to be aimed at smaller, individual targets rather than large networks.
"The CIA's Remote Devices Branch's UMBRAGE group collects and maintains a substantial library of attack techniques 'stolen' from malware produced in other states including the Russian Federation.
With UMBRAGE and related projects the CIA cannot only increase its total number of attack types but also misdirect attribution by leaving behind the "fingerprints" of the groups that the attack techniques were stolen from."
"As of October 2014 the CIA was also looking at infecting the vehicle control systems used by modern cars and trucks. The purpose of such control is not specified, but it would permit the CIA to engage in nearly undetectable assassinations."
Hastings became a vocal critic of the Obama administration, Democratic Party and surveillance state during the investigation of reporters by the U.S. Department of Justice in 2013, referring to the restrictions on the freedom of the press by the Obama administration as a "war" on journalism.[4] His last story, "Why Democrats Love to Spy On Americans", was published by BuzzFeed on June 7.[5][6] Hastings died in a fiery high-speed automobile crash on June 18, 2013, in Los Angeles, California.[7] Blue Rider Press posthumously published his only novel, The Last Magazine (2014), a year after his death.[8]
Former U.S. National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counter-terrorism Richard A. Clarke said that what is known about the crash is "consistent with a car cyber attack". He was quoted as saying "There is reason to believe that intelligence agencies for major powers — including the United States — know how to remotely seize control of a car. So if there were a cyber attack on [Hastings'] car — and I'm not saying there was, I think whoever did it would probably get away with it."[68] Earlier the previous day, Hastings indicated that he believed he was being investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. In an email to colleagues, which was copied to and released by Hastings' friend, Army Staff Sergeant Joe Biggs,[69] Hastings said that he was "onto a big story", that he needed to "go off the radar", and that the FBI might interview them.[70][71] WikiLeaks announced that Hastings had also contacted Jennifer Robinson, one of its lawyers, a few hours prior to the crash,[72] and the LA Weekly reported that he was preparing new reports on the CIA at the time of his death.[73] His widow Elise Jordan said his final story was a profile of CIA Director John O. Brennan.[74] The FBI released a statement denying that Hastings was being investigated.[61]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)
spurraider21
03-07-2017, 01:59 PM
tsa always refers to the 4chan autists doing all the work... i have a feeling he's on the front lines tbh
boutons_deux
03-07-2017, 02:11 PM
This is gonna leave a mark
Not that the Repugs care, as they allow ISPs to drop cyber defenses for their clients
http://thewholestory.news/whats-in-wikileaks-vault-7-cia-hacking-tools/
Wikileaks have unveiled their treasure chest of information against the CIA. It is the largest publication of confidential documents on the CIA ever leaked.
“The quantity of published pages in “Vault 7” part one (“Year Zero”) already eclipses the total number of pages published over the first three years of the Edward Snowden NSA leaks.”
The torrent can be downloaded here (official link) The password is
SplinterItIntoAThousandPiecesAndScatterItIntoTheWi nds
The “year0” zip file is the first of several in a series to be released. The press conference featuring Julian Assange has been rescheduled due to attacks on the live stream.
The vault contains several hundred tools that the CIA have been using to hack. Keyloggers and DLL injections are found within the files.
“Year Zero” contains 7818 web pages with 943 attachments from the internal development groupware. The software used for this purpose is called Confluence, a proprietary software from Atlassian.
The order of named pages within each level is determined by date (oldest first). Page content is not present if it was originally dynamically created by the Confluence software (as indicated on the re-constructed page).
The press release reads:
Today, Tuesday 7 March 2017, WikiLeaks begins its new series of leaks on the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency. Code-named “Vault 7” by WikiLeaks, it is the largest ever publication of confidential documents on the agency.
The first full part of the series, “Year Zero”, comprises 8,761 documents and files from an isolated, high-security network situated inside the CIA’s Center for Cyber Intelligence in Langley, Virgina. It follows an introductory disclosure last month of CIA targeting French political parties and candidates in the lead up to the 2012 presidential election.
Recently, the CIA lost control of the majority of its hacking arsenal including malware, viruses, trojans, weaponized “zero day” exploits, malware remote control systems and associated documentation. This extraordinary collection, which amounts to more than several hundred million lines of code, gives its possessor the entire hacking capacity of the CIA. The archive appears to have been circulated among former U.S. government hackers and contractors in an unauthorized manner, one of whom has provided WikiLeaks with portions of the archive.
“Year Zero” introduces the scope and direction of the CIA’s global covert hacking program, its malware arsenal and dozens of “zero day” weaponized exploits against a wide range of U.S. and European company products, include Apple’s iPhone, Google’s Android and Microsoft’s Windows and even Samsung TVs, which are turned into covert microphones.
Since 2001 the CIA has gained political and budgetary preeminence over the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA). The CIA found itself building not just its now infamous drone fleet, but a very different type of covert, globe-spanning force — its own substantial fleet of hackers. The agency’s hacking division freed it from having to disclose its often controversial operations to the NSA (its primary bureaucratic rival) in order to draw on the NSA’s hacking capacities.
By the end of 2016, the CIA’s hacking division, which formally falls under the agency’s Center for Cyber Intelligence (CCI), had over 5000 registered users and had produced more than a thousand hacking systems, trojans, viruses, and other “weaponized” malware. Such is the scale of the CIA’s undertaking that by 2016, its hackers had utilized more code than that used to run Facebook. The CIA had created, in effect, its “own NSA” with even less accountability and without publicly answering the question as to whether such a massive budgetary spend on duplicating the capacities of a rival agency could be justified.
In a statement to WikiLeaks the source details policy questions that they say urgently need to be debated in public, including whether the CIA’s hacking capabilities exceed its mandated powers and the problem of public oversight of the agency. The source wishes to initiate a public debate about the security, creation, use, proliferation and democratic control of cyberweapons.
Once a single cyber ‘weapon’ is ‘loose’ it can spread around the world in seconds, to be used by rival states, cyber mafia and teenage hackers alike.
Julian Assange, WikiLeaks editor stated that “There is an extreme proliferation risk in the development of cyber ‘weapons’. Comparisons can be drawn between the uncontrolled proliferation of such ‘weapons’, which results from the inability to contain them combined with their high market value, and the global arms trade. But the significance of “Year Zero” goes well beyond the choice between cyberwar and cyberpeace. The disclosure is also exceptional from a political, legal and forensic perspective.”
Wikileaks has carefully reviewed the “Year Zero” disclosure and published substantive CIA documentation while avoiding the distribution of ‘armed’ cyberweapons until a consensus emerges on the technical and political nature of the CIA’s program and how such ‘weapons’ should analyzed, disarmed and published.
Wikileaks has also decided to redact and anonymise some identifying information in “Year Zero” for in depth analysis. These redactions include ten of thousands of CIA targets and attack machines throughout Latin America, Europe and the United States. While we are aware of the imperfect results of any approach chosen, we remain committed to our publishing model and note that the quantity of published pages in “Vault 7” part one (“Year Zero”) already eclipses the total number of pages published over the first three years of the Edward Snowden NSA leaks.
Analysis
CIA malware targets iPhone, Android, smart TVs
CIA malware and hacking tools are built by EDG (Engineering Development Group), a software development group within CCI (Center for Cyber Intelligence), a department belonging to the CIA’s DDI (Directorate for Digital Innovation). The DDI is one of the five major directorates of the CIA (see this organizational chart of the CIA for more details).
The EDG is responsible for the development, testing and operational support of all backdoors, exploits, malicious payloads, trojans, viruses and any other kind of malware used by the CIA in its covert operations world-wide.
The increasing sophistication of surveillance techniques has drawn comparisons with George Orwell’s 1984, but “Weeping Angel”, developed by the CIA’s Embedded Devices Branch (EDB), which infests smart TVs, transforming them into covert microphones, is surely its most emblematic realization.
The attack against Samsung smart TVs was developed in cooperation with the United Kingdom’s MI5/BTSS. After infestation, Weeping Angel places the target TV in a ‘Fake-Off’ mode, so that the owner falsely believes the TV is off when it is on. In ‘Fake-Off’ mode the TV operates as a bug, recording conversations in the room and sending them over the Internet to a covert CIA server.
As of October 2014 the CIA was also looking at infecting the vehicle control systems used by modern cars and trucks. The purpose of such control is not specified, but it would permit the CIA to engage in nearly undetectable assassinations.
The CIA’s Mobile Devices Branch (MDB) developed numerous attacks to remotely hack and control popular smart phones. Infected phones can be instructed to send the CIA the user’s geolocation, audio and text communications as well as covertly activate the phone’s camera and microphone.
Despite iPhone’s minority share (14.5%) of the global smart phone market in 2016, a specialized unit in the CIA’s Mobile Development Branch produces malware to infest, control and exfiltrate data from iPhones and other Apple products running iOS, such as iPads. CIA’s arsenal includes numerous local and remote “zero days” developed by CIA or obtained from GCHQ, NSA, FBI or purchased from cyber arms contractors such as Baitshop. The disproportionate focus on iOS may be explained by the popularity of the iPhone among social, political, diplomatic and business elites.
A similar unit targets Google’s Android which is used to run the majority of the world’s smart phones (~85%) including Samsung, HTC and Sony. 1.15 billion Android powered phones were sold last year. “Year Zero” shows that as of 2016 the CIA had 24 “weaponized” Android “zero days” which it has developed itself and obtained from GCHQ, NSA and cyber arms contractors.
These techniques permit the CIA to bypass the encryption of WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, Wiebo, Confide and Cloackman by hacking the “smart” phones that they run on and collecting audio and message traffic before encryption is applied.
Read more: http://thewholestory.news/whats-in-wikileaks-vault-7-cia-hacking-tools/#ixzz4afrfzsoh
CIA malware targets Windows, OSx, Linux, routers
The CIA also runs a very substantial effort to infect and control Microsoft Windows users with its malware. This includes multiple local and remote weaponized “zero days”, air gap jumping viruses such as “Hammer Drill” which infects software distributed on CD/DVDs, infectors for removable media such as USBs, systems to hide data in images or in covert disk areas ( “Brutal Kangaroo”) and to keep its malware infestations going.
Many of these infection efforts are pulled together by the CIA’s Automated Implant Branch (AIB), which has developed several attack systems for automated infestation and control of CIA malware, such as “Assassin” and “Medusa”.
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Attacks against Internet infrastructure and webservers are developed by the CIA’s Network Devices Branch (NDB).
The CIA has developed automated multi-platform malware attack and control systems covering Windows, Mac OS X, Solaris, Linux and more, such as EDB’s “HIVE” and the related “Cutthroat” and “Swindle” tools, which are described in the examples section below.
CIA ‘hoarded’ vulnerabilities (“zero days”)
In the wake of Edward Snowden’s leaks about the NSA, the U.S. technology industry secured a commitment from the Obama administration that the executive would disclose on an ongoing basis — rather than hoard — serious vulnerabilities, exploits, bugs or “zero days” to Apple, Google, Microsoft, and other US-based manufacturers.
Serious vulnerabilities not disclosed to the manufacturers places huge swathes of the population and critical infrastructure at risk to foreign intelligence or cyber criminals who independently discover or hear rumors of the vulnerability. If the CIA can discover such vulnerabilities so can others.
The U.S. government’s commitment to the Vulnerabilities Equities Process came after significant lobbying by US technology companies, who risk losing their share of the global market over real and perceived hidden vulnerabilities. The government stated that it would disclose all pervasive vulnerabilities discovered after 2010 on an ongoing basis.
“Year Zero” documents show that the CIA breached the Obama administration’s commitments. Many of the vulnerabilities used in the CIA’s cyber arsenal are pervasive and some may already have been found by rival intelligence agencies or cyber criminals.
As an example, specific CIA malware revealed in “Year Zero” is able to penetrate, infest and control both the Android phone and iPhone software that runs or has run presidential Twitter accounts. The CIA attacks this software by using undisclosed security vulnerabilities (“zero days”) possessed by the CIA but if the CIA can hack these phones then so can everyone else who has obtained or discovered the vulnerability. As long as the CIA keeps these vulnerabilities concealed from Apple and Google (who make the phones) they will not be fixed, and the phones will remain hackable.
The same vulnerabilities exist for the population at large, including the U.S. Cabinet, Congress, top CEOs, system administrators, security officers and engineers. By hiding these security flaws from manufacturers like Apple and Google the CIA ensures that it can hack everyone &mdsh; at the expense of leaving everyone hackable.
‘Cyberwar’ programs are a serious proliferation risk
Cyber ‘weapons’ are not possible to keep under effective control.
While nuclear proliferation has been restrained by the enormous costs and visible infrastructure involved in assembling enough fissile material to produce a critical nuclear mass, cyber ‘weapons’, once developed, are very hard to retain.
Cyber ‘weapons’ are in fact just computer programs which can be pirated like any other. Since they are entirely comprised of information they can be copied quickly with no marginal cost.
Securing such ‘weapons’ is particularly difficult since the same people who develop and use them have the skills to exfiltrate copies without leaving traces — sometimes by using the very same ‘weapons’ against the organizations that contain them. There are substantial price incentives for government hackers and consultants to obtain copies since there is a global “vulnerability market” that will pay hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars for copies of such ‘weapons’. Similarly, contractors and companies who obtain such ‘weapons’ sometimes use them for their own purposes, obtaining advantage over their competitors in selling ‘hacking’ services.
Over the last three years the United States intelligence sector, which consists of government agencies such as the CIA and NSA and their contractors, such as Booze Allan Hamilton, has been subject to unprecedented series of data exfiltrations by its own workers.
A number of intelligence community members not yet publicly named have been arrested or subject to federal criminal investigations in separate incidents.
Most visibly, on February 8, 2017 a U.S. federal grand jury indicted Harold T. Martin III with 20 counts of mishandling classified information. The Department of Justice alleged that it seized some 50,000 gigabytes of information from Harold T. Martin III that he had obtained from classified programs at NSA and CIA, including the source code for numerous hacking tools.
Once a single cyber ‘weapon’ is ‘loose’ it can spread around the world in seconds, to be used by peer states, cyber mafia and teenage hackers alike.
Read more: http://thewholestory.news/whats-in-wikileaks-vault-7-cia-hacking-tools/2/#ixzz4afrmAVeM
U.S. Consulate in Frankfurt is a covert CIA hacker base
In addition to its operations in Langley, Virginia the CIA also uses the U.S. consulate in Frankfurt as a covert base for its hackers covering Europe, the Middle East and Africa.
CIA hackers operating out of the Frankfurt consulate ( “Center for Cyber Intelligence Europe” or CCIE) are given diplomatic (“black”) passports and State Department cover. The instructions for incoming CIA hackers make Germany’s counter-intelligence efforts appear inconsequential: “Breeze through German Customs because you have your cover-for-action story down pat, and all they did was stamp your passport”
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Your Cover Story (for this trip)
Q: Why are you here?
A: Supporting technical consultations at the Consulate.
Two earlier WikiLeaks publications give further detail on CIA approaches to customs and secondary screening procedures.
Once in Frankfurt CIA hackers can travel without further border checks to the 25 European countries that are part of the Shengen open border area — including France, Italy and Switzerland.
A number of the CIA’s electronic attack methods are designed for physical proximity. These attack methods are able to penetrate high security networks that are disconnected from the internet, such as police record database. In these cases, a CIA officer, agent or allied intelligence officer acting under instructions, physically infiltrates the targeted workplace. The attacker is provided with a USB containing malware developed for the CIA for this purpose, which is inserted into the targeted computer. The attacker then infects and exfiltrates data to removable media. For example, the CIA attack system Fine Dining, provides 24 decoy applications for CIA spies to use. To witnesses, the spy appears to be running a program showing videos (e.g VLC), presenting slides (Prezi), playing a computer game (Breakout2, 2048) or even running a fake virus scanner (Kaspersky, McAfee, Sophos). But while the decoy application is on the screen, the underlaying system is automatically infected and ransacked.
How the CIA dramatically increased proliferation risks
In what is surely one of the most astounding intelligence own goals in living memory, the CIA structured its classification regime such that for the most market valuable part of “Vault 7” — the CIA’s weaponized malware (implants + zero days), Listening Posts (LP), and Command and Control (C2) systems — the agency has little legal recourse.
The CIA made these systems unclassified.
Why the CIA chose to make its cyberarsenal unclassified reveals how concepts developed for military use do not easily crossover to the ‘battlefield’ of cyber ‘war’.
To attack its targets, the CIA usually requires that its implants communicate with their control programs over the internet. If CIA implants, Command & Control and Listening Post software were classified, then CIA officers could be prosecuted or dismissed for violating rules that prohibit placing classified information onto the Internet. Consequently the CIA has secretly made most of its cyber spying/war code unclassified. The U.S. government is not able to assert copyright either, due to restrictions in the U.S. Constitution. This means that cyber ‘arms’ manufactures and computer hackers can freely “pirate” these ‘weapons’ if they are obtained. The CIA has primarily had to rely on obfuscation to protect its malware secrets.
Conventional weapons such as missiles may be fired at the enemy (i.e into an unsecured area). Proximity to or impact with the target detonates the ordnance including its classified parts. Hence military personnel do not violate classification rules by firing ordnance with classified parts. Ordnance will likely explode. If it does not, that is not the operator’s intent.
Over the last decade U.S. hacking operations have been increasingly dressed up in military jargon to tap into Department of Defense funding streams. For instance, attempted “malware injections” (commercial jargon) or “implant drops” (NSA jargon) are being called “fires” as if a weapon was being fired. However the analogy is questionable.
Unlike bullets, bombs or missiles, most CIA malware is designed to live for days or even years after it has reached its ‘target’. CIA malware does not “explode on impact” but rather permanently infests its target. In order to infect target’s device, copies of the malware must be placed on the target’s devices, giving physical possession of the malware to the target. To exfiltrate data back to the CIA or to await further instructions the malware must communicate with CIA Command & Control (C2) systems placed on internet connected servers. But such servers are typically not approved to hold classified information, so CIA command and control systems are also made unclassified.
A successful ‘attack’ on a target’s computer system is more like a series of complex stock maneuvers in a hostile take-over bid or the careful planting of rumors in order to gain control over an organization’s leadership rather than the firing of a weapons system. If there is a military analogy to be made, the infestation of a target is perhaps akin to the execution of a whole series of military maneuvers against the target’s territory including observation, infiltration, occupation and exploitation.
Read more: http://thewholestory.news/whats-in-wikileaks-vault-7-cia-hacking-tools/3/#ixzz4afrtqUdR
Evading forensics and anti-virus
A series of standards lay out CIA malware infestation patterns which are likely to assist forensic crime scene investigators as well as Apple, Microsoft, Google, Samsung, Nokia, Blackberry, Siemens and anti-virus companies attribute and defend against attacks.
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“Tradecraft DO’s and DON’Ts” contains CIA rules on how its malware should be written to avoid fingerprints implicating the “CIA, US government, or its witting partner companies” in “forensic review”. Similar secret standards cover the use of encryption to hide CIA hacker and malware communication (pdf), describing targets & exfiltrated data (pdf) as well as executing payloads (pdf) and persisting (pdf) in the target’s machines over time.
CIA hackers developed successful attacks against most well known anti-virus programs. These are documented in AV defeats, Personal Security Products, Detecting and defeating PSPs and PSP/Debugger/RE Avoidance. For example, Comodo was defeated by CIA malware placing itself in the Window’s “Recycle Bin”. While Comodo 6.x has a “Gaping Hole of DOOM”.
CIA hackers discussed what the NSA’s “Equation Group” hackers did wrong and how the CIA’s malware makers could avoid similar exposure.
Examples
The CIA’s Engineering Development Group (EDG) management system contains around 500 different projects (only some of which are documented by “Year Zero”) each with their own sub-projects, malware and hacker tools.
The majority of these projects relate to tools that are used for penetration, infestation (“implanting”), control, and exfiltration.
Another branch of development focuses on the development and operation of Listening Posts (LP) and Command and Control (C2) systems used to communicate with and control CIA implants; special projects are used to target specific hardware from routers to smart TVs.
Some example projects are described below, but see the table of contents for the full list of projects described by WikiLeaks’ “Year Zero”.
UMBRAGE
The CIA’s hand crafted hacking techniques pose a problem for the agency. Each technique it has created forms a “fingerprint” that can be used by forensic investigators to attribute multiple different attacks to the same entity.
This is analogous to finding the same distinctive knife wound on multiple separate murder victims. The unique wounding style creates suspicion that a single murderer is responsible. As soon one murder in the set is solved then the other murders also find likely attribution.
The CIA’s Remote Devices Branch’s UMBRAGE group collects and maintains a substantial library of attack techniques ‘stolen’ from malware produced in other states including the Russian Federation.
With UMBRAGE and related projects the CIA cannot only increase its total number of attack types but also misdirect attribution by leaving behind the “fingerprints” of the groups that the attack techniques were stolen from.
UMBRAGE components cover keyloggers, password collection, webcam capture, data destruction, persistence, privilege escalation, stealth, anti-virus (PSP) avoidance and survey techniques.
Fine Dining
Fine Dining comes with a standardized questionnaire i.e menu that CIA case officers fill out. The questionnaire is used by the agency’s OSB (Operational Support Branch) to transform the requests of case officers into technical requirements for hacking attacks (typically “exfiltrating” information from computer systems) for specific operations. The questionnaire allows the OSB to identify how to adapt existing tools for the operation, and communicate this to CIA malware configuration staff. The OSB functions as the interface between CIA operational staff and the relevant technical support staff.
Among the list of possible targets of the collection are ‘Asset’, ‘Liason Asset’, ‘System Administrator’, ‘Foreign Information Operations’, ‘Foreign Intelligence Agencies’ and ‘Foreign Government Entities’. Notably absent is any reference to extremists or transnational criminals. The ‘Case Officer’ is also asked to specify the environment of the target like the type of computer, operating system used, Internet connectivity and installed anti-virus utilities (PSPs) as well as a list of file types to be exfiltrated like Office documents, audio, video, images or custom file types. The ‘menu’ also asks for information if recurring access to the target is possible and how long unobserved access to the computer can be maintained. This information is used by the CIA’s ‘JQJIMPROVISE’ software (see below) to configure a set of CIA malware suited to the specific needs of an operation.
Read more: http://thewholestory.news/whats-in-wikileaks-vault-7-cia-hacking-tools/4/#ixzz4afs1iEaH
Improvise (JQJIMPROVISE)
‘Improvise’ is a toolset for configuration, post-processing, payload setup and execution vector selection for survey/exfiltration tools supporting all major operating systems like Windows (Bartender), MacOS (JukeBox) and Linux (DanceFloor). Its configuration utilities like Margarita allows the NOC (Network Operation Center) to customize tools based on requirements from ‘Fine Dining’ questionairies.
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HIVE
HIVE is a multi-platform CIA malware suite and its associated control software. The project provides customizable implants for Windows, Solaris, MikroTik (used in internet routers) and Linux platforms and a Listening Post (LP)/Command and Control (C2) infrastructure to communicate with these implants.
The implants are configured to communicate via HTTPS with the webserver of a cover domain; each operation utilizing these implants has a separate cover domain and the infrastructure can handle any number of cover domains.
Each cover domain resolves to an IP address that is located at a commercial VPS (Virtual Private Server) provider. The public-facing server forwards all incoming traffic via a VPN to a ‘Blot’ server that handles actual connection requests from clients. It is setup for optional SSL client authentication: if a client sends a valid client certificate (only implants can do that), the connection is forwarded to the ‘Honeycomb’ toolserver that communicates with the implant; if a valid certificate is missing (which is the case if someone tries to open the cover domain website by accident), the traffic is forwarded to a cover server that delivers an unsuspicious looking website.
The Honeycomb toolserver receives exfiltrated information from the implant; an operator can also task the implant to execute jobs on the target computer, so the toolserver acts as a C2 (command and control) server for the implant.
Similar functionality (though limited to Windows) is provided by the RickBobby project.
See the classified user and developer guides for HIVE.
Frequently Asked Questions
Why now?
WikiLeaks published as soon as its verification and analysis were ready.
In Febuary the Trump administration has issued an Executive Order calling for a “Cyberwar” review to be prepared within 30 days.
While the review increases the timeliness and relevance of the publication it did not play a role in setting the publication date.
Redactions
Names, email addresses and external IP addresses have been redacted in the released pages (70,875 redactions in total) until further analysis is complete.
Over-redaction: Some items may have been redacted that are not employees, contractors, targets or otherwise related to the agency, but are, for example, authors of documentation for otherwise public projects that are used by the agency.
Identity vs. person: the redacted names are replaced by user IDs (numbers) to allow readers to assign multiple pages to a single author. Given the redaction process used a single person may be represented by more than one assigned identifier but no identifier refers to more than one real person.
Archive attachments (zip, tar.gz, …) are replaced with a PDF listing all the file names in the archive. As the archive content is assessed it may be made available; until then the archive is redacted.
Attachments with other binary content are replaced by a hex dump of the content to prevent accidental invocation of binaries that may have been infected with weaponized CIA malware. As the content is assessed it may be made available; until then the content is redacted.
The tens of thousands of routable IP addresses references (including more than 22 thousand within the United States) that correspond to possible targets, CIA covert listening post servers, intermediary and test systems, are redacted for further exclusive investigation.
Binary files of non-public origin are only available as dumps to prevent accidental invocation of CIA malware infected binaries.
Organizational Chart
The organizational chart corresponds to the material published by WikiLeaks so far.
Since the organizational structure of the CIA below the level of Directorates is not public, the placement of the EDG and its branches within the org chart of the agency is reconstructed from information contained in the documents released so far. It is intended to be used as a rough outline of the internal organization; please be aware that the reconstructed org chart is incomplete and that internal reorganizations occur frequently.
Read more: http://thewholestory.news/whats-in-wikileaks-vault-7-cia-hacking-tools/5/#ixzz4afsAMpF8
Wiki pages
“Year Zero” contains 7818 web pages with 943 attachments from the internal development groupware. The software used for this purpose is called Confluence, a proprietary software from Atlassian. Webpages in this system (like in Wikipedia) have a version history that can provide interesting insights on how a document evolved over time; the 7818 documents include these page histories for 1136 latest versions.
The order of named pages within each level is determined by date (oldest first). Page content is not present if it was originally dynamically created by the Confluence software (as indicated on the re-constructed page).
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What time period is covered?
The years 2013 to 2016. The sort order of the pages within each level is determined by date (oldest first).
WikiLeaks has obtained the CIA’s creation/last modification date for each page but these do not yet appear for technical reasons. Usually the date can be discerned or approximated from the content and the page order. If it is critical to know the exact time/date contact WikiLeaks.
What is “Vault 7”
“Vault 7” is a substantial collection of material about CIA activities obtained by WikiLeaks.
When was each part of “Vault 7” obtained?
Part one was obtained recently and covers through 2016. Details on the other parts will be available at the time of publication.
Is each part of “Vault 7” from a different source?
Details on the other parts will be available at the time of publication.
What is the total size of “Vault 7”?
The series is the largest intelligence publication in history.
How did WikiLeaks obtain each part of “Vault 7”?
Sources trust WikiLeaks to not reveal information that might help identify them.
Isn’t WikiLeaks worried that the CIA will act against its staff to stop the series?
No. That would be certainly counter-productive.
Has WikiLeaks already ‘mined’ all the best stories?
No. WikiLeaks has intentionally not written up hundreds of impactful stories to encourage others to find them and so create expertise in the area for subsequent parts in the series. They’re there. Look. Those who demonstrate journalistic excellence may be considered for early access to future parts.
Won’t other journalists find all the best stories before me?
Unlikely. There are very considerably more stories than there are journalists or academics who are in a position to write them.
Read more: http://thewholestory.news/whats-in-wikileaks-vault-7-cia-hacking-tools/6/#ixzz4afsIWCvX
Spurminator
03-07-2017, 03:58 PM
Strange day to release this stuff.
ODNI Statement on Declassified Intelligence Community Assessment of Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent U.S. Elections
January 6, 2017
On December 9, 2016, President Barack Obama directed the Intelligence Community to conduct a full review and produce a comprehensive intelligence report assessing Russian activities and intentions in recent U.S. elections. We have completed this report and briefed President Obama as well as President-elect Trump and Congressional leadership. We declassified a version of this report for the public, consistent with our commitment to transparency while still protecting classified sources and methods.
The Intelligence Community did not make an assessment of the impact that Russian activities had on the outcome of the 2016 election, and DHS assesses that the types of systems the Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in vote tallying.
This declassified version of the report is being released to the public and can be accessed via IC on the Record.
Strange day to release this stuff.
UMBRAGE
The CIA’s hand crafted hacking techniques pose a problem for the agency. Each technique it has created forms a “fingerprint” that can be used by forensic investigators to attribute multiple different attacks to the same entity.
This is analogous to finding the same distinctive knife wound on multiple separate murder victims. The unique wounding style creates suspicion that a single murderer is responsible. As soon one murder in the set is solved then the other murders also find likely attribution.
The CIA’s Remote Devices Branch’s UMBRAGE group collects and maintains a substantial library of attack techniques ‘stolen’ from malware produced in other states including the Russian Federation.
With UMBRAGE and related projects the CIA cannot only increase its total number of attack types but also misdirect attribution by leaving behind the “fingerprints” of the groups that the attack techniques were stolen from.
UMBRAGE components cover keyloggers, password collection, webcam capture, data destruction, persistence, privilege escalation, stealth, anti-virus (PSP) avoidance and survey techniques.
BanditHiro
03-07-2017, 04:33 PM
Wikileaks was compromised a long time ago...it was around the time they said they were gonna release a bunch of dirt on Putin and the Russia government and they didn't.
hater
03-07-2017, 04:57 PM
Wikileaks was compromised a long time ago...it was around the time they said they were gonna release a bunch of dirt on Putin and the Russia government and they didn't.
Say what? All the documents Wikileaks release ar aunthentic so far
What the fuck you mean by compromised??
hater
03-07-2017, 04:58 PM
Oh and yeah its interesting CIA has capability to fake Russian/Chines or Iranian hack attacks
This means the allegations towards Trump and the election are basically dead
Thanks Assage :lmao
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6WAL8aXMAIJfyD.jpg:large
hater
03-07-2017, 05:10 PM
Holy shit this was probably the leak Snowden and Greenwalk were talking about at the end of the Snowden documentary :wow
They said this was going to make snowdens leak look like a walk in the park :wow
Fuck
Fuck it Im going through the documents myself. This is insane
"The idea behind Year Zero is that all culture and traditions within a society must be completely destroyed or discarded and a new revolutionary culture must replace it, starting from scratch"
Chris
03-07-2017, 05:20 PM
Product of the Obama administration. Interesting that he changed how the NSA,FBI,CIA could communicate with each other in terms of classification several days before he left office. Then come the leaks.
boutons_deux
03-07-2017, 05:32 PM
"The idea behind Year Zero is that all culture and traditions within a society must be completely destroyed or discarded and a new revolutionary culture must replace it, starting from scratch"
... a quote from Bannon?
AaronY
03-07-2017, 05:45 PM
https://media.tenor.co/images/102d110a89e7f3556a7147f9f024bdd5/raw
leemajors
03-07-2017, 05:47 PM
Say what? All the documents Wikileaks release ar aunthentic so far
What the fuck you mean by compromised??
yeah they are pretty much the only reliable source for anything these days.
in2deep
03-07-2017, 05:49 PM
839245879840235525
leemajors
03-07-2017, 05:50 PM
Product of the Obama administration. Interesting that he changed how the NSA,FBI,CIA could communicate with each other in terms of classification several days before he left office. Then come the leaks.
the FBI and CIA have been doing fucked up shit since their inception.
in2deep
03-07-2017, 05:53 PM
839220879208783872
in2deep
03-07-2017, 05:54 PM
839204646753296384
Spurminator
03-07-2017, 05:54 PM
This is why we can't have nice things connected to the internet.
in2deep
03-07-2017, 05:55 PM
839208640519278592
Chris
03-07-2017, 05:57 PM
the FBI and CIA have been doing fucked up shit since their inception.
Absolutely.
BanditHiro
03-07-2017, 05:58 PM
Product of the Obama administration. Interesting that he changed how the NSA,FBI,CIA could communicate with each other in terms of classification several days before he left office. Then come the leaks.
na. Presidents only last 4-8 years, CIA thinks about the long game and are pretty autonomous.
in2deep
03-07-2017, 06:01 PM
na. Presidents only last 4-8 years, CIA thinks about the long game and are pretty autonomous.
probably but Obama let it continue happening. No way he had zero idea of what was going on.
spurraider21
03-07-2017, 06:04 PM
nope. guys its all obamas fault, he's the only democrat we've had recently, so its gotta be him
Spurminator
03-07-2017, 06:08 PM
He's also the only all-knowing President we've ever had.
After Obama, Presidents no longer know anything about what's going on in the Intelligence Community and are at risk of the Deep State and wiretapping.
yeah they are pretty much the only reliable source for anything these days.
10 years/10 million documents/0 fakes
Spurminator
03-07-2017, 06:12 PM
Lots of conveniently selective releases recently, though.
UNT Eagles 2016
03-07-2017, 06:13 PM
na. Presidents only last 4-8 years, CIA thinks about the long game and are pretty autonomous.
yeah, the NWO basically runs all 3 and operates regardless of the executive, legislative, or judicial branches. They're the proverbial "4th branch" the "intelligence" branch which is very dangerous because its operations are not made available to the public.
Lots of conveniently selective releases recently, though.
You still 100% buy the ODNI report of Russia "hacking" the DNC?
spurraider21
03-07-2017, 06:23 PM
You still 100% buy the ODNI report of Russia "hacking" the DNC?so the obama administration urged the intelligence committee to hack the DNC, publish their emails to sabotage them in the election just so they can pin it on trump after he was elected?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBh895KdXAU
DarrinS
03-07-2017, 06:27 PM
Pretty embarrassing. Could've been a contractor. You would've thought they'd take extra precaution after Snowden.
Spurminator
03-07-2017, 06:28 PM
You still 100% buy the ODNI report of Russia "hacking" the DNC?
I've never claimed to buy any of the Russia/hacking stories 100%. You should be able to find several of my posts where I acknowledge that rogue members of the US IC may have been responsible for the hacks, along with other leaked "intel."
Did you or anyone else flouting the Umbrage "revelation" really think the CIA couldn't fake a Russian hack? Why would anyone's opinion over the possible source of that hack be changed by this?
hater
03-07-2017, 06:31 PM
Pretty embarrassing. Could've been a contractor. You would've thought they'd take extra precaution after Snowden.
Well they still need humans to code & hack.
But dont worry, with the advances in AI the CIA and other agencies will have no more need of unpredictable
Humans and will freely control every single consumer electronic device with the help of AI metworks
1984 will be childs play in a couple of years
TheSanityAnnex
03-07-2017, 06:33 PM
so the obama administration urged the intelligence committee to hack the DNC, publish their emails to sabotage them in the election just so they can pin it on trump after he was elected?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBh895KdXAU
The CIA lost control of their hacking arsenal, doesn't have to be anyone from the Obama administration. I threw out months ago the possibility of it being Israel's unit 8200 that breached the DNC servers. Security experts around the world balked at the idea that sophisticated Russian hackers would leave a trail right back to them.
Spurminator
03-07-2017, 06:35 PM
Appropriate that after the release of thousands of documents and emails that show what the CIA *actually* does, the conspiracy theorists think the biggest revelation is what the CIA *might* have *possibly* done.
Even though tangible evidence of that happening is nowhere in the leak.
TheSanityAnnex
03-07-2017, 06:35 PM
I've never claimed to buy any of the Russia/hacking stories 100%. You should be able to find several of my posts where I acknowledge that rogue members of the US IC may have been responsible for the hacks, along with other leaked "intel."
Did you or anyone else flouting the Umbrage "revelation" really think the CIA couldn't fake a Russian hack? Why would anyone's opinion over the possible source of that hack be changed by this?
I may have had you mistaken. Forgive me I haven't been actively posting here for a while :lol
I may have had you mistaken. Forgive me I haven't been actively posting here for a while :lol
Someone hacked my old account not cool :lol
hater
03-07-2017, 06:42 PM
Did you or anyone else flouting the Umbrage "revelation" really think the CIA couldn't fake a Russian hack? Why would anyone's opinion over the possible source of that hack be changed by this?
Umm its not a revelation. Its a confirmation to the fact that CIA can use other agents tools and even describing exactly how they do it.
spurraider21
03-07-2017, 06:48 PM
Someone hacked my old account not cool :lolprobably the cia, which explains the traces of russian hacking protocols i discovered
The theory that Michael Rogers tipped off Trump sounds somewhat plausible now
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/pentagon-and-intelligence-community-chiefs-have-urged-obama-to-remove-the-head-of-the-nsa/2016/11/19/44de6ea6-adff-11e6-977a-1030f822fc35_story.html?utm_term=.7957c4582ecf
Mitch
03-07-2017, 07:47 PM
Pretty heavy stuff, of course some retards are trying to distract themselves with things like Trump University :lmao
Quite a few regulars avoiding this thread.
The first dump brought the goods, looking forward to future vault dumps.
DarrinS
03-07-2017, 08:01 PM
Pretty heavy stuff, of course some retards are trying to distract themselves with things like Trump University :lmao
:lol
Clipper Nation
03-07-2017, 08:02 PM
You still 100% buy the ODNI report of Russia "hacking" the DNC?
The left has never cared about whether or not it was true. They still don't. They've been playing the Russia card because, unfortunately, it's a strategy that's working for them against the Republicans. Just ask Mike Flynn and Jeff Sessions. Truth doesn't even enter the equation. It's all about whatever helps them subvert the Trump administration.
hater
03-07-2017, 08:26 PM
Pretty heavy stuff, of course some retards are trying to distract themselves with things like Trump University :lmao
:lmao
This is why I have no hope for society tbh
pgardn
03-07-2017, 08:32 PM
Fuck
Fuck it Im going through the documents myself. This is insane
Incoming!
Shits about to get real. Hater is going in.
Holy Christ... And you thought Italian food was big...
pgardn
03-07-2017, 08:35 PM
The left has never cared about whether or not it was true. They still don't. They've been playing the Russia card because, unfortunately, it's a strategy that's working for them against the Republicans. Just ask Mike Flynn and Jeff Sessions. Truth doesn't even enter the equation. It's all about whatever helps them subvert the Trump administration.
Obama is an Egyptian and bugged the Donald.
Yep, Republicans always digging deep for the truth.
Holy shit...
ElNono
03-07-2017, 08:39 PM
Pretty heavy stuff, of course some retards are trying to distract themselves with things like Trump University :lmao
:lol
ElNono
03-07-2017, 08:40 PM
Waiting for McCain to denounce how this makes us less secure in 3... 2... 1...
DarrinS
03-07-2017, 08:51 PM
Waiting for McCain to denounce how this makes us less secure in 3... 2... 1...
Walking billboard for term limits, tbh.
pgardn
03-07-2017, 08:57 PM
Pretty embarrassing. Could've been a contractor. You would've thought they'd take extra precaution after Snowden.
Needs to be done.
Its better in the long run.
hater
03-07-2017, 09:13 PM
Waiting for McCain to denounce how this makes us less secure in 3... 2... 1...
He will probably say this as hes taking pictures with another "moderate" terrorist who will be caught eating a human liver online.
Assange has repeatedly said the Podesta emails weren't from the Russians.
Ambassador Murray said DNC leaks were an inside job.
Wikileaks has been releasing 100% factual documents for over 10 years.
Wikileaks exposes the tip of the CIA iceberg.
At what point are the "Russian hacked the elections" labeled the conspiracy theorists?
Master Troll Trump
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4693457/president-trump-white-house-tours/%3Fsource%3Ddam
ElNono
03-07-2017, 09:24 PM
I read the elections in Ecuador are pretty close, tbh... Assange is close to be served on a platter to the US... not that there's no other people working behind the curtains, but could be an interesting turn of events, tbh
pgardn
03-07-2017, 09:28 PM
Master Troll Trump
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4693457/president-trump-white-house-tours/%3Fsource%3Ddam
Master Troll...
You are an idiot.
FuzzyLumpkins
03-07-2017, 09:39 PM
Pretty heavy stuff, of course some retards are trying to distract themselves with things like Trump University :lmao
Just because you struggle to consider multiple things at once doesn't mean that other people do.
Just because you struggle to consider multiple things at once doesn't mean that other people do.
Your lack of on topic contribution to the OP puts you in the former camp.
Master Troll...
You are an idiot.
You think that photo op by Hillary was a coincidence and have the nerve to call me an idiot? :lol
"He popped out from behind a partition, next to a painting of Hillary Clinton"
Even Time magazine realized this.
pgardn
03-07-2017, 10:00 PM
You think that photo op by Hillary was a coincidence and have the nerve to call me an idiot? :lol
"He popped out from behind a partition, next to a painting of Hillary Clinton"
Even Time magazine realized this.
Master Troll for anything he does off color or needs adult supervision for.
Just stop it. He's a child. Run the fkn country and quit making excuses.
Spurminator
03-07-2017, 10:04 PM
Quite a few regulars avoiding this thread.
The first dump brought the goods, looking forward to future vault dumps.
The Left vs Right implications of this dump are negligible, so partisan cheerleaders don't have much to say about it except for the few who want to convince themselves that this is an Obama issue. I expect Congress to react the same way.
Master Troll for anything he does off color or needs adult supervision for.
Just stop it. He's a child. Run the fkn country and quit making excuses.
I missed the part where you thought it was coincidence or not.
The Left vs Right implications of this dump are negligible, so partisan cheerleaders don't have much to say about it except for the few who want to convince themselves that this is an Obama issue. I expect Congress to react the same way.
The left has been banging the Russian drum, there are most definitely partisan implications.
Also could be an Obama issue
ag5-98IVoAY
ElNono
03-07-2017, 10:25 PM
Don't quite follow this alleged 'implication'... Obama told the CIA to hack the DNC pretending to be Russia and air the dirty laundry that put Shillary on a bad light so Trump would win?
That was the endgame? am I connecting dots correctly?
DarrinS
03-07-2017, 10:37 PM
Don't quite follow this alleged 'implication'... Obama told the CIA to hack the DNC pretending to be Russia and air the dirty laundry that put Shillary on a bad light so Trump would win?
That was the endgame? am I connecting dots correctly?
Yeah, that makes no sense. Also makes no sense for Russian collaborator Trump to say something like "hey Russia, if you're listening, see if you can find those 30k emails."
Don't quite follow this alleged 'implication'... Obama told the CIA to hack the DNC pretending to be Russia and air the dirty laundry that put Shillary on a bad light so Trump would win?
That was the endgame? am I connecting dots correctly?
My guess...
Nobody in power thought Trump would win but still need to discredit to ensure Clinton victory
Trump Tower under surveillance from either
a. warrantless surveillance ordered by Obama
b. FISA warrant granted because of "Russia" pinging Trump server. Ex-CIA McMulin behind this plan
DNC leaks came from inside
CIA able to frame Russians as responsible for DNC leaks and colluding with Trump
The plan failed and Wikileaks just threw a huge wrench into the attempted cover up.
pgardn
03-07-2017, 10:39 PM
I missed the part where you thought it was coincidence or not.
I don't fn care. The below is the Way this guy works. These are the last words on Obama wire tapping... possibly. Until Trump claims Obama has planted fleas in his ear canal.
"As you all know, the president is a neophyte in politics. And I think a lot of the things he says, you "guys" sometimes take literally,” Nunes said to the press.
So basically we have possibly Trump's most loyal backer in Congress, Nunes, saying that "we" and the press don't know what to take literally. There are no wire taps on Trump but we gotta investigate. The Great Troll has fooled us. Excellent. President Troll.
A wall, who the fck knows? immigration, we'll just f that up and try again. Health care, we got the biggest bestest plan that you guys might not need to take literally as we have no plan but a plan has to turn up... on and on. So we need a master troller running our country spouting whatever he feels cause he is new.
Yeah we gotta take some time investigating Obamas wiretaps, there is no evidence we have found. But he is new, so it's not clear what he really means and does not mean. Smooth guy. Fantastic.
Mitch
03-07-2017, 10:41 PM
Just because you struggle to consider multiple things at once doesn't mean that other people do.
:lol Keep trudging along, Lump. Don't let your autism slow you down
DarrinS
03-07-2017, 10:42 PM
The person that's spoken most rationally about out all of this is former AG Michael Mukasey, imo.
I find it really hard to believe Trump, who now has access to more intel than anyone, would lob these accusations a few days ago on Twitter without prior knowledge of incriminating evidence. First part of vault 7 drops today. Trump immediately hands over related documents to Senate intelligence committee.
ElNono
03-07-2017, 10:44 PM
My guess...
Nobody in power thought Trump would win but still need to discredit to ensure Clinton victory
Trump Tower under surveillance from either
a. warrantless surveillance ordered by Obama
b. FISA warrant granted because of "Russia" pinging Trump server. Ex-CIA McMulin behind this plan
DNC leaks came from inside
CIA able to frame Russians as responsible for DNC leaks and colluding with Trump
The plan failed and Wikileaks just threw a huge wrench into the attempted cover up.
I still don't follow. The Russian angle didn't enter until after the DNC hacks, which painted Shillary in a bad light. So the revelation that the CIA can pretend to be Russians while hacking matters because? Is the implication that the CIA leaked the DNC documents? or there's some dots that don't connect?
I don't fn care. The below is the Way this guy works. These are the last words on Obama wire tapping... possibly. Until Trump claims Obama has planted fleas in his ear canal.
"As you all know, the president is a neophyte in politics. And I think a lot of the things he says, you "guys" sometimes take literally,” Nunes said to the press.
So basically we have possibly Trump's most loyal backer in Congress, Nunes, saying that "we" and the press don't know what to take literally. There are no wire taps on Trump but we gotta investigate. The Great Troll has fooled us. Excellent. President Troll.
A wall, who the fck knows? immigration, we'll just f that up and try again. Health care, we got the biggest bestest plan that you guys might not need to take literally as we have no plan but a plan has to turn up... on and on. So we need a master troller running our country spouting whatever he feels cause he is new.
Yeah we gotta take some time investigating Obamas wiretaps, there is no evidence we have found. But he is new, so it's not clear what he really means and does not mean. Smooth guy. Fantastic.
I missed the part where you thought it was coincidence or not.
ElNono
03-07-2017, 10:45 PM
I find it really hard to believe Trump, who now has access to more intel than anyone, would lob these accusations a few days ago on Twitter without prior knowledge of incriminating evidence. First part of vault 7 drops today. Trump immediately hands over related documents to Senate intelligence committee.
He doesn't have to lob allegations. He can release hard evidence. IOW, he (allegedly) has the 'smoking gun' at hand, and the authority to make it public. What doesn't make sense is that he went to twitter instead of releasing that intel first.
pgardn
03-07-2017, 10:46 PM
I missed the part where you thought it was coincidence or not.
Good for you.
ElNono
03-07-2017, 10:47 PM
The only angle that makes sense, IMO, is that he won't release that intel (if he really has it), because he knows it would start a shitstorm of huge proportions and he'll likely lose that power, which he probably wants to keep.
DarrinS
03-07-2017, 10:47 PM
I find it really hard to believe Trump, who now has access to more intel than anyone, would lob these accusations a few days ago on Twitter without prior knowledge of incriminating evidence. First part of vault 7 drops today. Trump immediately hands over related documents to Senate intelligence committee.
Who knows? Trump is a thin skinned emo retard, but he does(should) have access to every bit of intel available. Maybe he went off of Breitbart/Levin, which MSM was feverishly reporting, or he has better info. Who TF knows at this point?
I still don't follow. The Russian angle didn't enter until after the DNC hacks, which painted Shillary in a bad light. So the revelation that the CIA can pretend to be Russians while hacking matters because? Is the implication that the CIA leaked the DNC documents? or there's some dots that don't connect?
I still believe the DNC leaks came from the inside, like Assange and Murray have claimed from the beginning. The CIA has the ability to make the DNC insider leak narrative disappear and put it on Russia.
ElNono
03-07-2017, 10:49 PM
I posted it after the tweets, tbh... if you're thinking long game, he now has a built-in excuse to spy on journalists, politicos and everybody he deems an 'enemy'. He can always pull the 'but, but, they did it to me'... it's a good ploy.
pgardn
03-07-2017, 10:51 PM
Who knows? Trump is a thin skinned emo retard, but he does(should) have access to every bit of intel available. Maybe he went off of Breitbart/Levin, which MSM was feverishly reporting, or he has better info. Who TF knows at this point?
This is basically what his closest Republican backers in Congress are saying. But they use the word neophyte so he can be forgiven.
Holy crap...
ElNono
03-07-2017, 10:51 PM
I still believe the DNC leaks came from the inside, like Assange and Murray have claimed from the beginning. The CIA has the ability to make the DNC insider leak narrative disappear and put it on Russia.
They don't though, unless they hack the DNC themselves with Russian tools. That was the implication of this 'Vault 7'...
(and FWIW, I never bought the Russia angle, tbh, you can look up my previous posts about it. Shillary lost the election because she was a terrible candidate).
pgardn
03-07-2017, 10:53 PM
Who knows? Trump is a thin skinned emo retard, but he does(should) have access to every bit of intel available. Maybe he went off of Breitbart/Levin, which MSM was feverishly reporting, or he has better info. Who TF knows at this point?
TSA sees a master Troll at work.
Who knows? Trump is a thin skinned emo retard, but he does(should) have access to every bit of intel available. Maybe he went off of Breitbart/Levin, which MSM was feverishly reporting, or he has better info. Who TF knows at this point?
And the Breitbart article could have just as likely come from Trump through Bannon.
I've stopped trying to knee jerk judge Trump's moves as a few days later his endgame becomes more clear.
The events over the last few days have been fascinating to watch.
DarrinS
03-07-2017, 10:54 PM
The only angle that makes sense, IMO, is that he won't release that intel (if he really has it), because he knows it would start a shitstorm of huge proportions and he'll likely lose that power, which he probably wants to keep.
This makes sense. But, if he opens this can of worms (which he invited), doesn't he risk losing that anyway?
If he really wanted to protect the IC, his Tweets were pretty dumb.
Personally, I think he wants revenge on Obama and Brennan.
I posted it after the tweets, tbh... if you're thinking long game, he now has a built-in excuse to spy on journalists, politicos and everybody he deems an 'enemy'. He can always pull the 'but, but, they did it to me'... it's a good ploy.
He could have easily just pulled but, but, Obama did it first.
pgardn
03-07-2017, 10:56 PM
They don't though, unless they hack the DNC themselves with Russian tools. That was the implication of this 'Vault 7'...
(and FWIW, I never bought the Russia angle, tbh, you can look up my previous posts about it. Shillary lost the election because she was a terrible candidate).
Boots backs that horrible Russian excuse.
The bolded nails it.
They don't though, unless they hack the DNC themselves with Russian tools. That was the implication of this 'Vault 7'...
(and FWIW, I never bought the Russia angle, tbh, you can look up my previous posts about it. Shillary lost the election because she was a terrible candidate).
Possibilities are endless. The CIA could have hacked after the insider leak.
But the Russian angle has been pushed hard. If you didn't believe it, it still came from somewhere and was tried to be sold with flimsy evidence, or lack of any evidence at all.
pgardn
03-07-2017, 11:00 PM
This makes sense. But, if he opens this can of worms (which he invited), doesn't he risk losing that anyway?
If he really wanted to protect the IC, his Tweets were pretty dumb.
Personally, I think he wants revenge on Obama and Brennan.
Totally agree. He has temper tantrums. He still can't stand his general election loss but somehow his aides have distracted him from the 3 million illegal votes.
I don't think there is anything to the Russian stuff of significance.
TSA sees a master Troll at work.
I see a congressional investigation into the Obama administration spying on a Prseidential candidate and the biggest intelligence leak since Snowden on the table. Enjoy your checkers set.
pgardn
03-07-2017, 11:02 PM
Possibilities are endless. The CIA could have hacked after the insider leak.
But the Russian angle has been pushed hard. If you didn't believe it, it still came from somewhere and was tried to be sold with flimsy evidence, or lack of any evidence at all.
Of course the Russian angle has been pushed hard. At least two people have lied about very basic stuff.
ElNono
03-07-2017, 11:04 PM
This makes sense. But, if he opens this can of worms (which he invited), doesn't he risk losing that anyway?
If he really wanted to protect the IC, his Tweets were pretty dumb.
Personally, I think he wants revenge on Obama and Brennan.
If we're frank, his bots swallow those twitter posts whole. He doesn't need anything else. Like you said, maybe he went emo when he found out, but maybe somebody clued him in that maybe it's in his best interest to keep that tool around.
pgardn
03-07-2017, 11:04 PM
I see a congressional investigation into the Obama administration spying on a Prseidential candidate and the biggest intelligence leak since Snowden on the table. Enjoy your checkers set.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/07/trump-wiretap-obama-republicans-us-intelligence
Good luck Mr. Pizza Grandmaster
ElNono
03-07-2017, 11:04 PM
He could have easily just pulled but, but, Obama did it first.
As a matter of fact, he did! That's what I'm saying it's a great ploy thinking long-game.
Of course the Russian angle has been pushed hard. At least two people have lied about very basic stuff.
Very possible there's been more lying by more than two people about not so basic stuff. And at this point it could go to either side.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/07/trump-wiretap-obama-republicans-us-intelligence
Good luck Mr. Pizza GrandmasterThanks for the well wishes. You need to learn to be more patient.
Senator Cotton of the intelligence committee just said tonight with a smirk on his face Trump admistration is more than cooperating and handed over documents for their claims today.
pgardn
03-07-2017, 11:12 PM
Thanks for the well wishes. You need to learn to be more patient.
Senator Cotton of the intelligence committee just said tonight with a smirk on his face Trump admistration is more than cooperating and handed over documents for their claims today.
And Nunes knows nothing about this?
Sure thing chessman.
DarrinS
03-07-2017, 11:12 PM
If we're frank, his bots swallow those twitter posts whole. He doesn't need anything else. Like you said, maybe he went emo when he found out, but maybe somebody clued him in that maybe it's in his best interest to keep that tool around.
That's what I'm thinking. This Russian shit has been eating at him for months. Then, he has a speech that is well received , followed the next day by full blown Russia freakout media day, and I think he snapped.
DarrinS
03-07-2017, 11:16 PM
Still doesn't mean there's no truth to what Trump tweeted. I'd like to know, tbh.
ElNono
03-07-2017, 11:17 PM
Still doesn't mean there's no truth to what Trump tweeted. I'd like to know, tbh.
He holds the key now.
pgardn
03-07-2017, 11:20 PM
And the 3 million illegal votes is also true, but this investigation has been put on the back burner.
Really...
in2deep
03-08-2017, 12:09 AM
Trump doesn't really know much more than the rest of us. He (and his people) just connected the dots. He knew beforehand of this CIA/Deep State power which was revealed today. He also knew this entity was working against him. 1 + 1 = 2. they have this power and they are using it + they want me out = they tapped me.
nobody can deny CIA don't like Trump, their leaders came out against him months ago during the campaign. and all these leaks and dossiers are coming out from the CIA.
and nobody can deny the CIA has the guts to use all power available to accomplish their goals.
spurraider21
03-08-2017, 01:06 AM
Don't quite follow this alleged 'implication'... Obama told the CIA to hack the DNC pretending to be Russia and air the dirty laundry that put Shillary on a bad light so Trump would win?
That was the endgame? am I connecting dots correctly?tsa thinks it was the jews, fwiw
spurraider21
03-08-2017, 01:09 AM
Trump doesn't really know much more than the rest of us.we've been telling you this for years
spurraider21
03-08-2017, 01:09 AM
also can we stop using the phrase "hacked the election"
shit makes no sense unless the implication is that voting machines were hacked. which they weren't
SnakeBoy
03-08-2017, 01:36 AM
TSA sees a master Troll at work.
Trump: It's outrageous what happened in Sweden
Everyone : Fucking moron nothing happened in Sweden
Then a bunch of muslims riot in Sweden
Everyone: Oh wait wut
Trump: Tapped my phones
Everyone: Fucking moron that can't happen
Then wikileaks releases all this stuff
Everyone: Oh wait wut
He's more like the Forest Gump of trolls
DarrinS
03-08-2017, 07:18 AM
also can we stop using the phrase "hacked the election"
shit makes no sense unless the implication is that voting machines were hacked. which they weren't
That phrase is by design.
boutons_deux
03-08-2017, 07:43 AM
also can we stop using the phrase "hacked the election"
shit makes no sense unless the implication is that voting machines were hacked. which they weren't
bullshit
hacking voting machines (Federal help to voting machine integrity was recently killed by Repugs) is a totally, dishonestly narrow definition of hacking an election
DarrinS
03-08-2017, 07:57 AM
bullshit
hacking voting machines (Federal help to voting machine integrity was recently killed by Repugs) is a totally, dishonestly narrow definition of hacking an election
Did the Russians prevent Hillary from campaigning in Wisconsin?
pgardn
03-08-2017, 08:00 AM
Trump: It's outrageous what happened in Sweden
Everyone : Fucking moron nothing happened in Sweden
Then a bunch of muslims riot in Sweden
Everyone: Oh wait wut
Trump: Tapped my phones
Everyone: Fucking moron that can't happen
Then wikileaks releases all this stuff
Everyone: Oh wait wut
He's more like the Forest Gump of trolls
No it's simpler than that. He is a hot tempered child that can't hold back. Then he explodes at 3 am with some tweet that shows how difficult it is for him to let go. Then because he won an election because he faced a horrible candidate, he is a genius Troll. I'm not buying this planning for the longer term. It's not him.
The above is by far The simplest explanation so that's what I will go with. TSA can build a flow chart wall proving we did not go to the moon and explain the nuances of why the hoax was perpetrated.
hater
03-08-2017, 08:23 AM
also can we stop using the phrase "hacked the election"
shit makes no sense unless the implication is that voting machines were hacked. which they weren't
Iraq has WMDs, Ghadaffi will slaughter his people. All these phrases are carefully designed by psychologists at the CIA and repeated over and over 1984 style.
Another one is "fake news" this was started by CIa mouthpieces Washington Post and New York Times. Unfortunately this didnt work out and was a major failure as Trump turned it back at those media and won :lmao
hater
03-08-2017, 08:27 AM
I read the elections in Ecuador are pretty close, tbh... Assange is close to be served on a platter to the US... not that there's no other people working behind the curtains, but could be an interesting turn of events, tbh
Wouldnt matter. Actually Assage would be relieved as living in the embassy is probably worse than living in a US fed prison.
I think theres a high posibility Assage will end his life prior to that so he will become a martyr like Guy Fawkes "remember remember the 5th of november"
Spurminator
03-08-2017, 09:57 AM
The left has been banging the Russian drum, there are most definitely partisan implications.
Also could be an Obama issue
ag5-98IVoAY
Like I said, the "revelation" that the CIA can mimic a Russian hack is about the least newsworthy item in this dump. It's like being surprised to find out they can fake the phone number that shows up on your caller ID.
Where's the document that shows they actually *did* fake any of the alleged Russian hacks? Where's any documentation of showing favorability towards Democrats? All of this tangible stuff and some people still think the biggest news is a hypothetical coming from it.
Spurminator
03-08-2017, 09:59 AM
Umm its not a revelation. Its a confirmation to the fact that CIA can use other agents tools and even describing exactly how they do it.
No shit. That's why I put "revelation" in quotes.
No it's simpler than that. He is a hot tempered child that can't hold back. Then he explodes at 3 am with some tweet that shows how difficult it is for him to let go. Then because he won an election because he faced a horrible candidate, he is a genius Troll. I'm not buying this planning for the longer term. It's not him.
The above is by far The simplest explanation so that's what I will go with. TSA can build a flow chart wall proving we did not go to the moon and explain the nuances of why the hoax was perpetrated.
Your simple explanation for his wiretapping tweets isn't really an explanation at all.
Here is a simple explanation for the tweets. Someone inside intelligence tipped him off about the wiretapping and Trump has proof.
Like I said, the "revelation" that the CIA can mimic a Russian hack is about the least newsworthy item in this dump. It's like being surprised to find out they can fake the phone number that shows up on your caller ID.
Where's the document that shows they actually *did* fake any of the alleged Russian hacks? Where's any documentation of showing favorability towards Democrats? All of this tangible stuff and some people still think the biggest news is a hypothetical coming from it.
It was day 1 of the dump, give it some time. You should have learned to be patient after the Podesta leaks.
boutons_deux
03-08-2017, 10:39 AM
lying Judicial Watch on the job, with Repugs, Trash FABRICATING another scandal to distract from Repugs own shithole, distract from actually governing.
I have no doubt that FBI/CIA sucks down everything from Trump Tower (Bank of China is a resident, among others) because they capture EVERYTHING anyway, but not that Obama personally ordered to "tapp" illiterate Trash, anymore that Hillary personally killed those 4 Americans at Benghazi.
Benghazi! :lol
whitewater! :lol
blow jobs! :lol
email! :lol
Spurminator
03-08-2017, 11:26 AM
It was day 1 of the dump, give it some time. You should have learned to be patient after the Podesta leaks.
:lol
If they had proof that the CIA faked the DNC hacks and blamed Russia, that would have been released on day 1.
:lol
If they had proof that the CIA faked the DNC hacks and blamed Russia, that would have been released on day 1.
:lol
If they had proof Trump colluded with the Russians, that would have been released on day 1.
boutons_deux
03-08-2017, 11:33 AM
Wikileaks dribbling releases out now (distracts from Trash's problems, and Repugs' destruction of govt) is like wikileaks dribbling out Dem emails weekly to sidetrack Hillary's campaign.
Inarguable that Wikileaks is a Pootin stooge, a tool.
Pootin protecting Snowden in Russia.
Spurminator
03-08-2017, 11:44 AM
:lol
If they had proof Trump colluded with the Russians, that would have been released on day 1.
I wouldn't have precedent to assume that until I see them release anything at all about Trump.
And I've also never pushed the narrative that they do have proof.
hater
03-08-2017, 12:50 PM
No shit. That's why I put "revelation" in quotes.
Ok. "Brilliant" assessment by you then. :lol
spurraider21
03-08-2017, 12:56 PM
It was day 1 of the dump, give it some time. You should have learned to be patient after the Podesta leaks.
Yeah we might get chicken references and spirit cooking
hater
03-08-2017, 01:26 PM
Damn only 1% of the Vault 7 docs have been released thus far :wow :wow
Damn only 1% of the Vault 7 docs have been released thus far :wow :wow
wow is right.
The leak really starts to make you question certain events
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465557/Malaysian-plane-20-on-board-worked-for-ELECTRONIC-WARFARE-and-radar-defence-company
Malaysian plane: 20 passengers worked for ELECTRONIC WARFARE and MILITARY RADAR firm
SnakeBoy
03-08-2017, 02:28 PM
:lol
If they had proof Trump colluded with the Russians, that would have been released on day 1.
No they would have released it well before the election.
boutons_deux
03-08-2017, 02:44 PM
839526212955488263
don't need Snowden. this was in several news feeds
hater
03-08-2017, 03:46 PM
No they would have released it well before the election.
Yup
No they would have released it well before the election.
Yes that was my point.
http://hw.prisonplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/trump-domain.png
this is what most are thinking was the probable cause to monitor the server in Trump tower that was being pinged by Russians.
notice the misspelling of Trump organization and name its registered in---could be fraudulent.
I just read the Hannity confirmed Trump was under surveillance throughout the campaign. Can't confirm though.
ElNono
03-08-2017, 05:53 PM
http://hw.prisonplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/trump-domain.png
this is what most are thinking was the probable cause to monitor the server in Trump tower that was being pinged by Russians.
notice the misspelling of Trump organization and name its registered in---could be fraudulent.
I just read the Hannity confirmed Trump was under surveillance throughout the campaign. Can't confirm though.
I think I posted it before, but you should read this piece...
https://theintercept.com/2017/03/04/if-trump-tower-was-wiretapped-trump-can-declassify-that-right-now/
We don't know the details, tbh, neither does that piece, but it stands to reason that's in the WH's best interests to make public any alleged intel on the issue.
Also, the last portion is interesting on it's own. Apparently there's precedent for this.
I think I posted it before, but you should read this piece...
https://theintercept.com/2017/03/04/if-trump-tower-was-wiretapped-trump-can-declassify-that-right-now/
We don't know the details, tbh, neither does that piece, but it stands to reason that's in the WH's best interests to make public any alleged intel on the issue.
Also, the last portion is interesting on it's own. Apparently there's precedent for this.
I think the call for an investigation was the correct way to go about it. If there was foul play more people will get caught up in the investigation than if Trump just declassified the FISA warrant.
It is starting to sound like the FISA warrant could have been issued under fraudulent evidence and then went beyond the scope of the warrant as well.
pgardn
03-08-2017, 06:48 PM
Your simple explanation for his wiretapping tweets isn't really an explanation at all.
Here is a simple explanation for the tweets. Someone inside intelligence tipped him off about the wiretapping and Trump has proof.
Yes it is.
He has got a bee in his bonnet about Obama.
And he has proof ? Sure. What did his defender in the House Nunez say?
pgardn
03-08-2017, 06:50 PM
I think I posted it before, but you should read this piece...
https://theintercept.com/2017/03/04/if-trump-tower-was-wiretapped-trump-can-declassify-that-right-now/
We don't know the details, tbh, neither does that piece, but it stands to reason that's in the WH's best interests to make public any alleged intel on the issue.
Also, the last portion is interesting on it's own. Apparently there's precedent for this.
So he says Obama did it?
pgardn
03-08-2017, 06:53 PM
Damn only 1% of the Vault 7 docs have been released thus far :wow :wow
There is a ton of stuff on there.
How many lines of code have you analyzed?
ElNono
03-08-2017, 06:56 PM
So he says Obama did it?
Unless you see the intel it's hard to tell. There's only allegations. I thought the Lyndon Johnson part was interesting, although it predates Nixon, the abuses of executive surveillance and thus FISA.
pgardn
03-08-2017, 07:02 PM
Unless you see the intel it's hard to tell. There's only allegations. I thought the Lyndon Johnson part was interesting, although it predates Nixon, the abuses of executive surveillance and thus FISA.
Well my allegation is he has taken something minor said to him and turned it into 3 million illegal votes. Where did that intell come from?
ElNono
03-08-2017, 07:20 PM
Well my allegation is he has taken something minor said to him and turned it into 3 million illegal votes. Where did that intell come from?
Narcissism and insecurity if I had to guess, but we knew that already.
Yes it is.
He has got a bee in his bonnet about Obama.
And he has proof ? Sure. What did his defender in the House Nunez say?
You realize Trump just handed over documents to the intelligence committee yesterday? Could the quote you heard from Nunez happened to be before that happened?
Well my allegation is he has taken something minor said to him and turned it into 3 million illegal votes. Where did that intell come from?
:rollin where did POTUS intel come from :rollin
o8qEkXOC-7U
And away we go
Of course the Russian angle has been pushed hard. At least two people have lied about very basic stuff.
Everyone in congress has lied about very basic stuff.
pgardn
03-08-2017, 11:44 PM
:rollin where did POTUS intel come from :rollin
Oh so you got been going thru the trash and found the 3 million on 4chan.
And you gave it to Trump. So he got that intell from pizza sauces.
Post it slurper. And I need a flow chart.
pgardn
03-08-2017, 11:47 PM
Everyone in congress has lied about very basic stuff.
Oh yeah. That makes it cool. And we will also lie about something so easy to find just to flaunt the lying from Congress.
No, nope. Not that a child could find out about.
Thus the confusion.
Oh so you got been going thru the trash and found the 3 million on 4chan.
And you gave it to Trump. So he got that intell from pizza sauces.
Post it slurper. And I need a flow chart.
No one was discussing 3 million illegals except you. Appears you do need a flowchart for the Vault 7 thread.
pgardn
03-09-2017, 12:00 AM
No one was discussing 3 million illegals except you. Appears you do need a flowchart for the Vault 7 thread.
Yes I am.
Because it typifies the wild bursts of idiocy like Obama order wire taps of my Trumpy towers.
You want more accusations that have a history of NOT being backed up by Trump?
Do you get it now Trump slurper. He does not care if he is dead wrong.
Oh yeah. That makes it cool. And we will also lie about something so easy to find just to flaunt the lying from Congress.
No, nope. Not that a child could find out about.
Thus the confusion.
I didn't say it was cool. It's not cool that everyone is driving 60 in a 40 but if you're going to pull over one motorist, be prepared to have it pointed out to you.
Yes I am.
Because it typifies the wild bursts of idiocy like Obama order wire taps of my Trumpy towers.
You want more accusations that have a history of NOT being backed up by Trump?
Do you get it now Trump slurper. He does not care if he is dead wrong.
That wild burst of idiocy is closer to the truth than anything you've offered up. He can't be dead wrong and throw that accusation out, he's not stupid.
pgardn
03-09-2017, 12:11 AM
I didn't say it was cool. It's not cool that everyone is driving 60 in a 40 but if you're going to pull over one motorist, be prepared to have it pointed out to you.
Everybody does it cover.
Its a no go. This is the President just spouting the most absurd accusations. This is not some Congressman from Illinois or Louisiana getting re elected after lying and committing a felony.
pgardn
03-09-2017, 12:13 AM
That wild burst of idiocy is closer to the truth than anything you've offered up. He can't be dead wrong and throw that accusation out, he's not stupid.
Are you completely daft. Where did the number 3 million illegal votes for Hillary cost him the popular vote?
Do you want me to continue with the flat out lies and absurd statements? He is not stupid, he has no self control.
Its YOUR duty to prove these wild accusations when you present them.
Everybody does it cover.
Its a no go. This is the President just spouting the most absurd accusations. This is not some Congressman from Illinois or Louisiana getting re elected after lying and committing a felony.
Sounds like you are getting back on topic.
What exactly is absurd about Trump saying Obama admin had him under surveillance? Do you need a list of world leaders, mainly allies, that Obama has apologized to for spying on? Are you completely ignoring what the CIA has been up to? Have you forgotten the DOJ's actions to thwart to Clinton email investigation? Do you truly think Trump did not have any intel before he made those tweets?
Are you completely daft. Where did the number 3 million illegal votes for Hillary cost him the popular vote?
Do you want me to continue with the flat out lies and absurd statements? He is not stupid, he has no self control.
Its YOUR duty to prove these wild accusations when you present them.
I didn't create this thread to argue about 3 million illegal voters you stupid fuck.
It's YOUR duty to stay on topic or be ignored.
pgardn
03-09-2017, 12:21 AM
Sounds like you are getting back on topic.
What exactly is absurd about Trump saying Obama admin had him under surveillance? Do you need a list of world leaders, mainly allies, that Obama has apologized to for spying on? Are you completely ignoring what the CIA has been up to? Have you forgotten the DOJ's actions to thwart to Clinton email investigation? Do you truly think Trump did not have any intel before he made those tweets?
Obama directly ordered Trump Towers to be tapped. It's not the same as our reckless intell bugging some schmo under Obama's admin. Your the one that says the intelligence community is out of control. I think they do a bunch of things the president has signed off on under a larger umbrella that he would not approve singly, no doubt in my mind as it has been done before,
Obama directly ordered Trump Towers to be tapped. It's not the same as our reckless intell bugging some schmo under Obama's admin. Your the one that says the intelligence community is out of control. I think they do a bunch of things the president has signed off on under a larger umbrella that he would not approve singly, no doubt in my mind as it has been done before,
You are referring to Obama's reckless intelligence agencies and that schmo happened to be a Presidential candidate.
You also skipped 4 questions.
pgardn
03-09-2017, 12:30 AM
You are referring to Obama's reckless intelligence agencies and that schmo happened to be a Presidential candidate.
You also skipped 4 questions.
Im not going to answer your questions when you don't even understand the first answer.
Obamas reckless intelligence... You would think no other president has had this problem.
Im not going to answer your questions when you don't even understand the first answer.
Obamas reckless intelligence... You would think no other president has had this problem.
Since you seem to have tight lips tonight I'm fine just discussing your first answer. What exactly is absurd about the claim that Obama admin spied on Trump?
Im not going to answer your questions when you don't even understand the first answer.
Obamas reckless intelligence... You would think no other president has had this problem.
No other President can even come close to the abilities Obama's intelligence agencies had.
pgardn
03-09-2017, 12:37 AM
Since you seem to have tight lips tonight I'm fine just discussing your first answer. What exactly is absurd about the claim that Obama admin spied on Trump?
That is not the claim.
pgardn
03-09-2017, 12:38 AM
No other President can even come close to the abilities Obama's intelligence agencies had.
The table set by 9/11, Bush and technology. He certainly did not stop it.
That is not the claim.
Ah yes Obama knew nothing about the FISA warrant. (And possibly a 2nd warrant)
Okay then stick with exactly what Trump said. What is absurd about Trump's exact claim of Obama ordering surveillance?
The table set by 9/11, Bush and technology. He certainly did not stop it.
Wonderful. No other President still had the same intelligence problem/power.
pgardn
03-09-2017, 12:43 AM
Ah yes Obama knew nothing about the FISA warrant. (And possibly a 2nd warrant)
Okay then stick with exactly what Trump said. What is absurd about Trump's exact claim of Obama ordering surveillance?
Why would president Obama directly order the wire tapping of Donald Trump's phones in Trump tower? What does Obama gain from this?
pgardn
03-09-2017, 12:46 AM
Wonderful. No other President still had the same intelligence problem/power.
Wrong.
Donald Trump now has the most powerful intelligence capabilities in the world.
Why would president Obama directly order the wire tapping of Donald Trump's phones in Trump tower? What does Obama gain from this?
The fact that you can easily answer these on your own doesn't help your case for absurdity. I'm off to play some chess talk more tomorrow.
pgardn
03-09-2017, 12:50 AM
The fact that you can easily answer these on your own doesn't help your case for absurdity. I'm off to play some chess talk more tomorrow.
The fact that you cannot posit a reasonable need for Obama to directly order the tapping of Donald's phones says it all.
ElNono
03-09-2017, 01:25 AM
o8qEkXOC-7U
And away we go
Thanks for sharing, but basically, nothing new there...
Hannity is wrong though. Obama doesn't need to do anything. Trump is the accuser that has the purported evidence. Ball is on his court.
dpcwsiBTtME
Lieutenant Colonel: NSA whistleblowers hacked the DNC, not the Russians
Clipper Nation
03-09-2017, 05:44 PM
The table set by 9/11, Bush and technology. He certainly did not stop it.
The table was set by Joe Biden long before 9/11.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Counterterrorism_Act_of_1995
And guess who Obama picked as his VP?
pgardn
03-09-2017, 11:30 PM
The table was set by Joe Biden long before 9/11.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Counterterrorism_Act_of_1995
And guess who Obama picked as his VP?
The Patriot act ramifications were MUCH more significant imo. You can argue this as far back as you want to. Obama certainly did nothing to stem the tide. I still don't believe the complete change in our country after 9/11 has fully sunk in. The Trump administration recently bombed the crap out of Yemen with the possibility of a high collateral damage count using Obama's floor plan. But so many other things domestically have over shadowed this. It all requires intelligence.
hater
03-10-2017, 09:12 AM
Looks like CIA and Deep State pretty pissed at this. Looks like they are going hard after Assange.
Fuckers are probably going to hack Ecuadorian election just to get Assange
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