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[140]

Dirk needed 20 going into the game, already has 14 on 5/5 shooting halfway through the 1st (:lol lakers)

[BatManu20]

Dirk's a legend. Happy for him.

[MultiTroll]

I sure hope I can buy you a steak dinner.
Go Dirk!

[DAF86]

Props to one of the best to ever do it. Would have loved to have him on the Spurs, his game and personality would have fit just right in.

[140]

:worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy:

[monosylab1k]

Props to _irk NoRingski (get it?)

[resistanze]

Savage, getting his 30K by stepping on Lakers' neck :lol

[monosylab1k]

Mavs have a 13 game winstreak against the Lakers. I know LA has been garbage, but after literally decades of being owned by the Lakers, it's still shocking to think Dallas is now the top in this relationship. That 2011 curbstomping changed everything :lol

[313]

How many points did Tim retire with?

[tonight...you]

Love Dirk and I'm happy that the Mavs are getting it together. He deserves to go out on somewhat of a high note.

Then, once he's gone, they can burn for eternity.

[Robz4000]

Congrats Dirk. Truly a class act and one of my all-time favorite non-Spurs.

Also, :rollin Lakers

[140]

:lol allowing 103 points in 3 quarters to this mavs team
:lol lakers

[midnightpulp]

:tu 2nd best PF off all-time.

:lol Karl Malone

[ambchang]

Dirk is one of my favourites. Despite the rivalry, dirk has played the game beautifully and with class. Just glad he got it in 2011 and sad that Cuban screwed him over ever since

[FkLA]

Congrats to Dirk Diggler. Showing why he's a Top 30 player of all-time, tbh.

[AlexJones]

Time for Nowitzki to uncuck himself and bring us to the promised land. #8 here we go

[FkLA]

:tu

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[ambchang]

Dirk is solidly in the top 20 of all time. I have him about 15.

[spurraider21]

Mavs have a 13 game winstreak against the Lakers. I know LA has been garbage, but after literally decades of being owned by the Lakers, it's still shocking to think Dallas is now the top in this relationship. That 2011 curbstomping changed everything :loldet mothers day massacre tho

[TDMVPDPOY]

why was Cuban celebrating? fkn kent was responsible of breaking up a championship team that had at leasts 1 more ring in them...

[Thomas82]

How many points did Tim retire with?

26,496 to be exact.

[benefactor]

Always been my favorite non-Spurs player. Congrats, Diggler

[Canyonero]

Thanks for cucking the Heat.

[Fabbs]

2011s blow out of the Fakeshow will always be noted.
However, calling Kobme the best player of his era puts Dork in the Punk category.

[DAF86]

2011s blow out of the Fakeshow will always be noted.
However, calling Kobme the best player of his era puts Dork in the Punk category.

Yeah, that was pretty bad. He looks smarter than that.

[spurraider21]

Have you been saying Bertans is a future all star?

Didn't you say boban would be a rotation player on any other team?

[monosylab1k]

Yeah, that was pretty bad. He looks smarter than that.

Even tho I disagree with Dirk, it's ridiculous and homerish to act like the Kobe vs Duncan debate is a completely one-sided, no contest win for Duncan.

[unleashbaynes]

Spurfan and mavfan are a bit too chummy these days. Fuck Dirk.

[DAF86]

Have you been saying Bertans is a future all star?

Didn't you say boban would be a rotation player on any other team?

I don't think I ever did, but I could have easily said it. I was/am pretty high on Boban, tbh.

And yeah, my motherfucking Latvian nigga is gonna be an all-star. :hat

[DAF86]

Even tho I disagree with Dirk, it's ridiculous and homerish to act like the Kobe vs Duncan debate is a completely one-sided, no contest win for Duncan.

Rings as the top dog

Duncan - 5
Kobe - 2

Regular season MVPs

Duncan - 2
Kobe - 1

Finals MVP

Duncan - 3
Kobe - 2

Seasons missing the playoffs

Duncan - 0
Kobe - 4

And I didn't feel like looking for stats such as PER, W/S, etc, or else it would be worse.

How much more one-sided do you want it?

[Brazil]

My favorite non spurs of all time...

[monosylab1k]

Rings as the top dog

Duncan - 5
Kobe - 2

Regular season MVPs

Duncan - 2
Kobe - 1

Finals MVP

Duncan - 3
Kobe - 2

Seasons missing the playoffs

Duncan - 0
Kobe - 4

And I didn't feel like looking for stats such as PER, W/S, etc, or else it would be worse.

How much more one-sided do you want it?

:lmao now apply this same logic to your Peyton vs Brady take.

[ambchang]

Rings as the top dog

Duncan - 5
Kobe - 2

Regular season MVPs

Duncan - 2
Kobe - 1

Finals MVP

Duncan - 3
Kobe - 2

Seasons missing the playoffs

Duncan - 0
Kobe - 4

And I didn't feel like looking for stats such as PER, W/S, etc, or else it would be worse.

How much more one-sided do you want it?

From a stats perspective, it is pretty one-sided.

For traditional stats, Duncan got the "big man" stats, and Kobe got the "guard" stats, so it's not really that much of a surprise. Kobe's got better scoring stats, but when you look at it as per 100 possessions, the difference isn't that big (35.8 vs. 29.7), but Duncan's better in the big man stats by a bigger margin than Kobe is in on the guard stats.

From an advanced stats perspective, it's not even close. Duncan had ORTG of 110 and DRTG of 96, Kobe has 110 and 105. Duncan is better at every single advanced stats other than 3pt attempt rate, asst % (small difference), steals %, and usage rate. Kobe is slightly better in OWS, but way worse in DWS (much worse in WS and WS/48), quite a bit better in OBPM but much worse in DBPM (much worse in overall BPM). Duncan is better in VORP as well.

The advantage for Duncan in the playoffs is even wider in the playoffs.

http://bkref.com/tiny/0gWzE

[DAF86]

:lmao now apply this same logic to your Peyton vs Brady take.

Peyton has like 4 MVPs to Brady's 1.

[clambake]

the classiest guy left in basketball.

[monosylab1k]

Peyton has like 4 MVPs to Brady's 1.

:lmao

:cry but but but what about rings and SB MVP's and non-playoff seasons :cry

[DAF86]

:lmao

:cry but but but what about rings and SB MVP's and non-playoff seasons :cry

To be one-sided you have to have all the arguments on your favour. A 4 to 1 MVP difference is a big enough case for the other guy, tbh. If Kobe had a 4 to 1 MVP advantage over Duncan I wouldn't be acting like it's retarded to have Kobe ahead of Duncan, tbh.

[monosylab1k]

To be one-sided you have to have all the arguments on your favour. A 4 to 1 MVP difference is a big enough case for the other guy, tbh. If Kobe had a 4 to 1 MVP advantage over Duncan I wouldn't be acting like it's retarded to have Kobe ahead of Duncan, tbh.

ah okay, so LeBron > Duncan, cool thanks. And Brady had 2 MVP's.

[DAF86]

ah okay, so LeBron > Duncan, cool thanks. And Brady had 2 MVP's.

Yeah, Lebron > Duncan. I don't know when have I ever said otherwise, tbh. :lol

[140]

So Kawhi > Duncan then

[Killakobe81]

From a stats perspective, it is pretty one-sided.

For traditional stats, Duncan got the "big man" stats, and Kobe got the "guard" stats, so it's not really that much of a surprise. Kobe's got better scoring stats, but when you look at it as per 100 possessions, the difference isn't that big (35.8 vs. 29.7), but Duncan's better in the big man stats by a bigger margin than Kobe is in on the guard stats.

From an advanced stats perspective, it's not even close. Duncan had ORTG of 110 and DRTG of 96, Kobe has 110 and 105. Duncan is better at every single advanced stats other than 3pt attempt rate, asst % (small difference), steals %, and usage rate. Kobe is slightly better in OWS, but way worse in DWS (much worse in WS and WS/48), quite a bit better in OBPM but much worse in DBPM (much worse in overall BPM). Duncan is better in VORP as well.

The advantage for Duncan in the playoffs is even wider in the playoffs.

http://bkref.com/tiny/0gWzE

WTF Amb, this was a Dirk thread don't get sucked in to talking Kobe.

[Killakobe81]

Even tho I disagree with Dirk, it's ridiculous and homerish to act like the Kobe vs Duncan debate is a completely one-sided, no contest win for Duncan.

Agree but this thread is not about that ...

[Kyle Orton]

Peyton has like 4 MVPs to Brady's 1.

Peyton's got 5. Don't shortchange the goat

[DAF86]

Peyton's got 5. Don't shortchange the goat

And Brady got 2, right? I watch every game I can, but I don't follow the NFL stats/history as closely as the NBA, tbh.

[Killakobe81]

Dirk is a bad ass i moved to DfW around 2009 ...hevis even better when you watch him for 82 plus.
Fans and media said he was to soft to win a title as the alpha ...when i moved here.
Best big man shooter ever, best Euro and his 2011 was only bested by Steph last year as best season of shooting had ever seen ...difference is he rang during his, Steph did not.
Props to Dirk.

[Clipper Nation]

To be one-sided you have to have all the arguments on your favour. A 4 to 1 MVP difference is a big enough case for the other guy, tbh. If Kobe had a 4 to 1 MVP advantage over Duncan I wouldn't be acting like it's retarded to have Kobe ahead of Duncan, tbh.
What if Kobe had the record for most one-and-dones in NBA history? Would you still be okay with him ranking ahead of Duncan because of regular season awards?

[FkLA]

I used to be on the Peyton is GOAT bandwagon too but after what Brady did in the SB this year I can no longer deny Brady's GOATness, tbh.

[ambchang]

WTF Amb, this was a Dirk thread don't get sucked in to talking Kobe.

:lol True, but at this point, it is really tough to argue the Duncan vs. Kobe debate isn't one-sided

The only thing going to Kobe is that he played for a bigger market, and therefore has more exposure, which really isn't because he was better, just more marketable.

As for Dirk, he will be underrated for a long time. Offensively, he is definitely in the top 10 NBA all time, and is one of those rare players who can carry a championships team offense. Defensively, he was bad at the beginning, but I believe he became much much better later in his career.

[DMC]

why was Cuban celebrating? fkn kent was responsible of breaking up a championship team that had at leasts 1 more ring in them...

Cuban is a boss. Dude epitomizes the average man who found money and is out on the NBA court hamming it up with stars, like he just ran out of the audience and no security guard stopped him. He's lived the dream, even if he did fuck up what would likely have been a b2b.

[IronMexican]

I heard that retard Marcelus Willey talk yesterday, and say he would take AI and Bernard King over Dirk. He even said Chris Fucking Webber. Said he's not even top 30, let alone 20.

He's a retard. It sucks when the Clippers are on and I can't listen to PMS.

[Killakobe81]

Dirk is top 20
Marcellus is an idiot...
But top 15 becomes a stretch ...

[140]

^N:lol

[Killakobe81]

^N:lol

He would be in mine (personal top 10)140 but if you are talking nba history and being fair ...

Jordan, Russell, Wilt,Kareem, magic, bird, Lebron, Shaq, Hakeem, Tim, Moses, Isaiah, Hakeem West oscar Kobe ...and those are only the great players with rings. What about Barkley and Karl.? I Iike Dirk over those last two guys ...and he has a ring but is he better than them overall? What about KG?

[Killakobe81]

I think 15 or 14 is a fair argument just like 9-12 is fair for Kobe/shaq
No disrespect to Dirk to say Shsq is 3-6 spots better.
I love Dirk great player.

[Clipper Nation]

Jordan, Russell, Wilt,Kareem, magic, bird, Lebron, Shaq, Hakeem, Tim, Moses, Isaiah, Hakeem West oscar Kobe ...and those are only the great players with rings.
:lmao

[140]

^This, tbh :lol

[Killakobe81]

^This, tbh :lol

I wont even bother replying to the troll job
arguing Kobe is so 2010 ...

Dirk is a boss definitely one my favorite non Lakers and is in my personal top 10 of players i have watched closely ... (full seasons of)
just wish he didnt play for that twit Cubes ..