2020 Democratic Presidental Candidate Predictions

[SnakeBoy]

Who do you think it is going to be?

[spurraider21]

Hopefully not booker or Ellison

[mavsfan1000]

lSPNQ82Sq4E

[SnakeBoy]

Will they have more than 17 candidates in the primary?

[DarrinS]

Oprah

[SnakeBoy]

lSPNQ82Sq4E

:lol

[baseline bum]

Someone shitty

[SnakeBoy]

I'll go with Bernie. He's the only Democratic I've seen that can beat Trump.

[RandomGuy]

Who do you think it is going to be?

Just about anyone will be able to beat Pence for re-election. I don't care.

[spurraider21]

I'll go with Bernie. He's the only Democratic I've seen that can beat Trump.
Doubt he runs again

[spurraider21]

Warren will run but I doubt she does well in primaries. Franken?

[clambake]

Just about anyone will be able to beat Pence for re-election. I don't care.

ha

[Chinook]

Pop

[SnakeBoy]

So based on predictions so far the primary will be

Booker
Ellison
Bernie
Oprah
Warren
Franken
Mr or Mrs Shitty

[spurraider21]

Pop
:lol I'd love to see him at a press conference and I'd pay to see him at a debate

[baseline bum]

I'll go with Bernie. He's the only Democratic I've seen that can beat Trump.

Really? The Democrats ran their most scandalous candidate who everyone hated and no one but Reck was enthusiastic about and Trump won by an extremely thin margin. Also Trump can't claim to be a political outsider any more. He'll have to explain why he took millions of peoples' healthcare away. I don't think his the free press is the enemy of the American people crusade is very well liked. The DNC will no doubt nominate someone shitty but short of nominating Weiner how can they go any lower than Hillary Clinton? If we somehow end up with a booming economy like we did under Bill Clinton then Trump will be unbeatable, but otherwise?

[AaronY]

Is this tweet true? It says a third of Bernie voters in the primaries voted for Trump:

https://twitter.com/NRafter/status/839343575360024577

[AaronY]

Oh it's just WV nvm

[Reck]

Really? The Democrats ran their most scandalous candidate who everyone hated and no one but Reck (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412) was enthusiastic about and Trump won by an extremely thin margin. Also Trump can't claim to be a political outsider any more. He'll have to explain why he took millions of peoples' healthcare away. I don't think his the free press is the enemy of the American people crusade is very well liked. The DNC will no doubt nominate someone shitty but short of nominating Weiner how can they go any lower than Hillary Clinton? If we somehow end up with a booming economy like we did under Bill Clinton then Trump will be unbeatable, but otherwise?

You keep tagging me about me being enthusiastic about no Hillary. Prove it.

There is a difference in rejecting cheeto face and voting for a lesser evil. If given the choice I'd vote for Hillary 500 times over again if the choices are what they were.

[DarrinS]

Really can't see Franken, tbh. Low-energy and zero charisma.

But, he can draw an accurate US map by hand, so there's that.

[rmt]

What about the hints dropped on Zuckerberg or Cuban?

[SnakeBoy]

lol Reck

In fairness, RandomGuy also had a hard on for Shillary. So you weren't entirely alone.

[Blake]

R - Mike Pence

D - Oprah

[SnakeBoy]

Really? The Democrats ran their most scandalous candidate who everyone hated and no one but Reck was enthusiastic about and Trump won by an extremely thin margin. Also Trump can't claim to be a political outsider any more. He'll have to explain why he took millions of peoples' healthcare away. I don't think his the free press is the enemy of the American people crusade is very well liked. The DNC will no doubt nominate someone shitty but short of nominating Weiner how can they go any lower than Hillary Clinton? If we somehow end up with a booming economy like we did under Bill Clinton then Trump will be unbeatable, but otherwise?

Most of the Dems I've seen have either unlikable or uninteresting personalities. Personality seems to be the most important thing we pick our Presidents by.

Simple test:
Trump and <insert Democrat> both invite you to a party Friday night at 8pm.

Put politics aside and which party do you go to?

Bernie is probably a fun guy to be around.

[baseline bum]

Most of the Dems I've seen have either unlikable or uninteresting personalities. Personality seems to be the most important thing we pick our Presidents by.

Simple test:
Trump and <insert Democrat> both invite you to a party Friday night at 8pm.

Put politics aside and which party do you go to?

Bernie is probably a fun guy to be around.

I'll take <insert Democrat> since they would probably shut up about themselves eventually.

[DarrinS]

R - Mike Pence

D - Oprah


We'll all get new cars!

[spurraider21]

Lol the ol "who would you rather have a beer with" bullshit that got dubya 8 years

Trump is definitely the guy I'd want to throw a beer at

[baseline bum]

Trump is definitely the guy I'd want to throw a beer at

:lmao

Though which one do you throw it at if Bannon is setting next to him?

[ducks]

John McCain

[monosylab1k]

George Clooney

[spurraider21]

John McCain
:lol

[rmt]

Clooney will be too busy with his twins - after waiting so long to be a dad, he'll be devoted to them.

[ducks]

This Democrat Wants To Run For President in 2020. He'll Get Smoked.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/14343/democrat-wants-run-president-2020-hell-get-smoked-frank-camp

[spurraider21]

This Democrat Wants To Run For President in 2020. He'll Get Smoked.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/14343/democrat-wants-run-president-2020-hell-get-smoked-frank-campFAKE NEWS

[mavsfan1000]

The Democrats have NOBODY! :lol

[SnakeBoy]

Hillary is going to run again :lol

[spurraider21]

Hillary is going to run again :loljust like how she was going to run for new york, right?

FAKE NEWS

[hater]

Tulsi Gabbard negroes. Ahes hot and i vote for her. Love that pussy.

[spurraider21]

John McCain
not anymore

[hater]

Tulsi Gabbard negroes. Ahes hot and i vote for her. Love that pussy.

[Blake]

Oprah

[DMX7]

Morgan Freeman or Al Franken.

[SnakeBoy]

No candidates emerging yet but the party just unveiled their new slogan “A Better Deal: Better Skills, Better Jobs, Better Wages."

It's been well received

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxK5dAtVF-c

[sickdsm]

Really? The Democrats ran their most scandalous candidate who everyone hated and no one but Reck was enthusiastic about and Trump won by an extremely thin margin. Also Trump can't claim to be a political outsider any more. He'll have to explain why he took millions of peoples' healthcare away. I don't think his the free press is the enemy of the American people crusade is very well liked. The DNC will no doubt nominate someone shitty but short of nominating Weiner how can they go any lower than Hillary Clinton? If we somehow end up with a booming economy like we did under Bill Clinton then Trump will be unbeatable, but otherwise?

TBH i'm voting against anyone regardless who has not made efforts to nuke obamacare. R or D. And a slightly different r version is just as bad. Can't get insurance that's economically feasible. Its a fricken train wreck for alot of people but that's not as flashy as the headlines if they were reversed.

[baseline bum]

TBH i'm voting against anyone regardless who has not made efforts to nuke obamacare. R or D. And a slightly different r version is just as bad. Can't get insurance that's economically feasible. Its a fricken train wreck for alot of people but that's not as flashy as the headlines if they were reversed.

Our insurance system has been a trainwreck long before Obamacare. LOL Republican voters acting like American healthcare just got shitty in 2014.

[Adam Lambert]

No candidates emerging yet but the party just unveiled their new slogan “A Better Deal: Better Skills, Better Jobs, Better Wages."

It's been well received

888134802209210370
888128465978900481


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxK5dAtVF-c

yes they should have considered the potential reaction of lady patriot on twitter.

can you imagine the snark on twitter if they had nominated donald trump to be the partys candidate for president?

[Thread]

Our insurance system has been a trainwreck long before Obamacare. LOL Republican voters acting like American healthcare just got shitty in 2014.

bum

[sickdsm]

Our insurance system has been a trainwreck long before Obamacare. LOL Republican voters acting like American healthcare just got shitty in 2014.

Yes it has, but the premiums/coverage has gotten drastically out of control the last 5 or so for most people that are buying their own insurance here. People will be bankrupt from having to pay for insurance. People will also die that have insurance. In a rural state like SD, where agriculture is king, a large burden falls on that sector to keep the economy rolling. The state is having tax problems because of the lack of spending. I can't remember exactly how much our insurance goes up every year because we continually have to switch plans, raising deductables, lowering coverage, trying to keep the premiums down. I would guestimate 40%? It hits self employed and small business especially hard. If this was an issue for a larger demographic than rural small town america, there would be riots, protests, 12 threads started by boutons full of copy/paste articles, etc..... I don't care if Reagan is a SD senator, i'll vote him out if he's not working adamantly to shred the current health care system. But continually there are idiots that make it a R vs D thing, even on this thread.

[rmt]

Too long and isn't it too close to Ryan's A Better Way? I'd also think that Dems would avoid the word "deal" - too connected to Trump. It reminds me of "Love trumps hate."

[baseline bum]

Yes it has, but the premiums/coverage has gotten drastically out of control the last 5 or so for most people that are buying their own insurance here. People will be bankrupt from having to pay for insurance. People will also die that have insurance. In a rural state like SD, where agriculture is king, a large burden falls on that sector to keep the economy rolling. The state is having tax problems because of the lack of spending. I can't remember exactly how much our insurance goes up every year because we continually have to switch plans, raising deductables, lowering coverage, trying to keep the premiums down. I would guestimate 40%? It hits self employed and small business especially hard. If this was an issue for a larger demographic than rural small town america, there would be riots, protests, 12 threads started by boutons full of copy/paste articles, etc..... I don't care if Reagan is a SD senator, i'll vote him out if he's not working adamantly to shred the current health care system. But continually there are idiots that make it a R vs D thing, even on this thread.

Health care costs going through the roof is a long term trend that has been in place way before the ACA. If you wanted it to lower cost you should have hammered your senators to vote for the public option and to allow drug imports.

[sickdsm]

Health care costs going through the roof is a long term trend that has been in place way before the ACA. If you wanted it to lower cost you should have hammered your senators to vote for the public option and to allow drug imports.


So doing nothing but bitchimg about republicans is the next best thing?


Again, where is the outrage by the ones currently being fucked over by the health care system as of now?


All I hear is crickets.

[baseline bum]

So doing nothing but bitchimg about republicans is the next best thing?


Again, where is the outrage by the ones currently being fucked over by the health care system as of now?


All I hear is crickets.

Yeah Trumpcare is going to fix all that. Healthcare was so awesome in this country pre-2014.

[spurraider21]

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2015/02/kff-chart.png


https://i.gyazo.com/f4cb4899f0d6d4c80740fc6fdd5c0629.png

[rmt]

So doing nothing but bitchimg about republicans is the next best thing?


Again, where is the outrage by the ones currently being fucked over by the health care system as of now?


All I hear is crickets.

I sympathize with you. We've run the gamut of health insurance - from a small company with $1600/month to now a large company with $400+/month to cover our family of 5. People on this board have heard me rail plenty about Obamacare and given examples such as health care ministries, direct care payment, $80 mammograms/ultrasounds, etc. But these liberals don't want to hear about anything but a public/government option. It doesn't seem to matter if costs are lower but the philosophy of it - that these are conservative ideas and as such not acceptable. They espouse the "great" healthcare over in Europe but can't explain how we get from where we are now to that system - how to deal with the difference in educational, legal, medical systems between the two. Most of them also espouse $15 minimum wage but fail to realize that those great specialists over in Sweden make $94k per year (before taxes) and who is gonna spend over 12 years of their lives studying to earn that amount. Now, there's talk of this basic universal income - LOL, they have no understanding of human nature.

If you are Christian, maybe look at health sharing ministries (especially Christian Healthcare Ministries where pre-existings go away after 3 years). If you work for a small company, perhaps look for work in a large company. If you are a small business owner, you're basically stuck with those high premiums.

[baseline bum]

I sympathize with you. We've run the gamut of health insurance - from a small company with $1600/month to now a large company with $400+/month to cover our family of 5. People on this board have heard me rail plenty about Obamacare and given examples such as health care ministries, direct care payment, $80 mammograms/ultrasounds, etc. But these liberals don't want to hear about anything but a public/government option. It doesn't seem to matter if costs are lower but the philosophy of it - that these are conservative ideas and as such not acceptable. They espouse the "great" healthcare over in Europe but can't explain how we get from where we are now to that system - how to deal with the difference in educational, legal, medical systems between the two. Most of them also espouse $15 minimum wage but fail to realize that those great specialists over in Sweden make $94k per year (before taxes) and who is gonna spend over 12 years of their lives studying to earn that amount. Now, there's talk of this basic universal income - LOL, they have no understanding of human nature.

If you are Christian, maybe look at health sharing ministries (especially Christian Healthcare Ministries where pre-existings go away after 3 years). If you work for a small company, perhaps look for work in a large company. If you are a small business owner, you're basically stuck with those high premiums.

:lmao Oh man this retarded shit again? :lmao


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/11/us/christians-flock-to-groups-that-help-members-pay-medical-bills.html

Upon joining, members waive their right to sue, and in the case of Samaritan, appeals panels of randomly selected members are supposed to settle disputes. Mr. Lansberry said that such panels had been convened only four times since Samaritan’s founding in 1994, and that the group had never been the subject of complaints to state attorneys general or insurance commissioners.

The insurance commissioner in Washington State did try to stop Samaritan from operating in 2011, saying it was selling “unauthorized insurance,” but the state Legislature passed a law explicitly exempting health care sharing ministries from regulations.

Insurance commissioners in Kentucky and Oklahoma had tried to block Medi-Share, the Florida-based ministry, but were thwarted when their legislatures also passed protection laws.

In 2001, Ohio’s attorney general sued one ministry — known then as the Christian Brotherhood Newsletter, and now as Christian Healthcare Ministries — ultimately forcing its leaders to repay $15 million they had spent on homes, vehicles and excessive salaries out of the fund where members had sent payments. :lol

Members have filed a handful of lawsuits against Medi-Share after bills they had expected to be covered were not. The cases were settled out of court. While the health law requires the ministries to submit to annual independent audits, critics question whether that safeguard is sufficient.

“Our message has consistently been that this is not a health insurance product that we regulate, so buyer beware,” said Nick Gerhart, the insurance commissioner in Iowa. “A premature baby could cost $1 million pretty easily, so it wouldn’t take very many of those to put a significant strain on any group, let alone an unregulated group like this.”

[rmt]

Do you have nothing to do but quote things from 2001 and scoff at an alternative used by 1/2 million people? Iirc, they have since put in safeguards to prevent that happening again. As with everything, BUYER BEWARE - do your research. But if one is desperate enough and don't have any other option, these health sharing plans are allowed under the ACA as an acceptable alternative to paying the penalty. I used CHM in the 5 month gap between my dh's jobs when we just could not afford COBRA. It's basically catastrophic insurance (depending on the level) and we paid out of pocket for preventive/diagnostic expenses but it was peace of mind during that period.

[baseline bum]

Do you have nothing to do but quote things from 2001 and scoff at an alternative used by 1/2 million people? Iirc, they have since put in safeguards to prevent that happening again. As with everything, BUYER BEWARE - do your research. But if one is desperate enough and don't have any other option, these health sharing plans are allowed under the ACA as an acceptable alternative to paying the penalty. I used CHM in the 5 month gap between my dh's jobs when we just could not afford COBRA. It's basically catastrophic insurance (depending on the level) and we paid out of pocket for preventive/diagnostic expenses but it was peace of mind during that period.

Yes I'm going to scoff an alternative that was shown to be a scam. Just like I scoff all your posts after you pretended to be a black Jamaican Trump supporter during the election only to now be a Chinese Trump supporter after. You're a lying cocksucker.

[rmt]

Yes I'm going to scoff an alternative that was shown to be a scam. Just like I scoff all your posts after you pretended to be a black Jamaican Trump supporter during the election only to now be a Chinese Trump supporter after. You're a lying cocksucker.

You (and someone else who said that) are the one who is mixed up - pls show the post where I said that. I never claimed to be black - I said I had a black aunt (married to my chinese uncle). What difference does it make whether I'm black or chinese? That's kinda racist, isn't it?

[AaronY]

LOL black Jamaican Trump supporter

[Reck]

No candidates emerging yet but the party just unveiled their new slogan “A Better Deal: Better Skills, Better Jobs, Better Wages."

It's been well received

888134802209210370
888128465978900481


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxK5dAtVF-c

Interesting last tweet.

Dems cant come up with an original slogan. Coming from a party that recycled a 30+ year old slogan and took it as his own. :lol

[rmt]

And just to clarify - I am Jamaican - born and bred - maybe that is where the confusion was made - the assumption that all Jamaicans are black. There is a big population of chinese in Jamaica as both Jamaica and Hong Kong were British colonies back in the day - there was no visa necessary to travel from Hong Kong to Jamaica so a lot of chinese people (including my grandmother) came over.

[rmt]

LOL black Jamaican Trump supporter

Believe it or not, such people exist. At my friend's dinner, most of the males were Trump supporters. Most of the females (except me) were Hillary supporters.

[baseline bum]

Believe it or not, such people exist. At my friend's dinner, most of the males were Trump supporters. Most of the females (except me) were Hillary supporters.

What about the black chinese jamaicans?

[rmt]

What about the black chinese jamaicans?

At the dinner, there were chinese, black and mixed (a lot of interracial marriages in Jamaica). They were split politically mostly along GENDER lines. And we don't see ourselves split along racial lines the way some Americans tend to.

[baseline bum]

At the dinner, there were chinese, black and mixed (a lot of interracial marriages in Jamaica). They were split politically mostly along GENDER lines. And we don't see ourselves split along racial lines the way some Americans tend to.

sure son

[z0sa]

:lol black chinese jamaican trumper

[SnakeBoy]

yes they should have considered the potential reaction of lady patriot on twitter.

can you imagine the snark on twitter if they had nominated donald trump to be the partys candidate for president?

You like the new slogan?

[Adam Lambert]

You like the new slogan?

im completely ambivalent about slogans

[Adam Lambert]

the gop collectively nominated donald trump for its presidential candidate but lol at the dncs marketing team for that tagline that reminds me of other taglines

[sickdsm]

I sympathize with you. We've run the gamut of health insurance - from a small company with $1600/month to now a large company with $400+/month to cover our family of 5. People on this board have heard me rail plenty about Obamacare and given examples such as health care ministries, direct care payment, $80 mammograms/ultrasounds, etc. But these liberals don't want to hear about anything but a public/government option. It doesn't seem to matter if costs are lower but the philosophy of it - that these are conservative ideas and as such not acceptable. They espouse the "great" healthcare over in Europe but can't explain how we get from where we are now to that system - how to deal with the difference in educational, legal, medical systems between the two. Most of them also espouse $15 minimum wage but fail to realize that those great specialists over in Sweden make $94k per year (before taxes) and who is gonna spend over 12 years of their lives studying to earn that amount. Now, there's talk of this basic universal income - LOL, they have no understanding of human nature.

If you are Christian, maybe look at health sharing ministries (especially Christian Healthcare Ministries where pre-existings go away after 3 years). If you work for a small company, perhaps look for work in a large company. If you are a small business owner, you're basically stuck with those high premiums.
Looked into Christian ministries but fine print is that they are not required to pay. Als o, I don't plan on anyone in my family to get involved too deep with drugs or alcohol but that's not covered either.



Once again, baseline turns it into a r vs d thing. Obama care/trumpcare Are equally retarded, illegal, and a pile of crap. I would be equally against it if it was originally trumpcare and now Obama s deal. Your partisan attitudes are what's wrong with government today.

[Quadzilla99]

Looked into Christian ministries but fine print is that they are not required to pay. Als o, I don't plan on anyone in my family to get involved too deep with drugs or alcohol but that's not covered either.



Once again, baseline turns it into a r vs d thing. Obama care/trumpcare Are equally retarded, illegal, and a pile of crap. I would be equally against it if it was originally trumpcare and now Obama s deal. Your partisan attitudes are what's wrong with government today.
yada yada yada

cliffs: You have literally no clue what you're talking about

[baseline bum]

Looked into Christian ministries but fine print is that they are not required to pay. Als o, I don't plan on anyone in my family to get involved too deep with drugs or alcohol but that's not covered either.



Once again, baseline turns it into a r vs d thing. Obama care/trumpcare Are equally retarded, illegal, and a pile of crap. I would be equally against it if it was originally trumpcare and now Obama s deal. Your partisan attitudes are what's wrong with government today.

LOL you're one of independents from the right, just like Wild Cobra.

[SnakeBoy]

Do you have nothing to do but quote things from 2001 and scoff at an alternative used by 1/2 million people? Iirc, they have since put in safeguards to prevent that happening again. As with everything, BUYER BEWARE - do your research. But if one is desperate enough and don't have any other option, these health sharing plans are allowed under the ACA as an acceptable alternative to paying the penalty. I used CHM in the 5 month gap between my dh's jobs when we just could not afford COBRA. It's basically catastrophic insurance (depending on the level) and we paid out of pocket for preventive/diagnostic expenses but it was peace of mind during that period.

It really isn't. The health cost sharing model basically is a group of people sharing the cost of what has happened but offering no guaranteed coverage for what might happen in the future which is what real insurance is legally required to cover.


given examples such as health care ministries, direct care payment, $80 mammograms/ultrasounds, etc. But these liberals don't want to hear about anything but a public/government option. It doesn't seem to matter if costs are lower

The direct care model really isn't lowering costs. It's actually more profitable for primary care physicians.

My wife's practice is around 3000-3500 patients and she bills around $650k per year. That's office visits, in house labs & other diagnostics. Her practice has a large in house lab so most labs are done in house. She keeps around 45% of that and the rest goes to overhead.

Under the direct care model physicians reduce their practice to around 1500 patients and charge them $50-75 per month which covers all office visits and in house labs/procedures but they don't accept any form of insurance. So even at the low end of $50 per month that direct care physician is taking in $900K per year, seeing half the # of patients, and reducing their overhead by not taking any insurance. Oh but look I don't charge for in house labs.

I know Hannity is always pumping the direct care model but he doesn't know what he is talking about. Primary care is not the cost driver in our healthcare system. In fact one of the things Obamacare was trying to do was incentivize primary care because more primary care means less spent on specialist care which accounts for about 75% of all outpatient payments.

[sickdsm]

yada yada yada

cliffs: You have literally no clue what you're talking about

About christian healthcare ministries? That's my takeaway from a few years ago plus talking to a hospital ceo.

THe rest is opinion.

[sickdsm]

LOL you're one of independents from the right, just like Wild Cobra.

As opposed to a what? an independent from the left? That's a pretty stupid accusation. No one is perfectly balanced in the center. If i was so right wing i probably would have voted for trump instead of throwing it away. You ususally have some pretty solid takes that i may not agree with but always make me think of a different point of view. Not this one.

[rmt]

It really isn't. The health cost sharing model basically is a group of people sharing the cost of what has happened but offering no guaranteed coverage for what might happen in the future which is what real insurance is legally required to cover.

And that guaranteed coverage under Obamacare only lasts as long as the insurance company makes money and if not, pulls out the next year. At which time, one is forced to go to another company until they all pull out. The health sharing model cuts out the middle man (insurance company), encourages comparison shopping and (CHM) offers different levels of coverage ($45 per month/$5k per incident deductible to $150 per month/$500 per incident deductible). Look, I'm not here pushing these plans - just letting desperate people know of other options. At least, there are choices than the outrageous premiums on the exchanges (that's if your county has choices).


The direct care model really isn't lowering costs. It's actually more profitable for primary care physicians.

My wife's practice is around 3000-3500 patients and she bills around $650k per year. That's office visits, in house labs & other diagnostics. Her practice has a large in house lab so most labs are done in house. She keeps around 45% of that and the rest goes to overhead.

Under the direct care model physicians reduce their practice to around 1500 patients and charge them $50-75 per month which covers all office visits and in house labs/procedures but they don't accept any form of insurance. So even at the low end of $50 per month that direct care physician is taking in $900K per year, seeing half the # of patients, and reducing their overhead by not taking any insurance. Oh but look I don't charge for in house labs.

I know Hannity is always pumping the direct care model but he doesn't know what he is talking about. Primary care is not the cost driver in our healthcare system. In fact one of the things Obamacare was trying to do was incentivize primary care because more primary care means less spent on specialist care which accounts for about 75% of all outpatient payments.

It's not just direct care for primary care physicians but for diagnostic, blood labs, etc. When dh was not working, I had everyone take the $69 CWP in December (directlabs.com), took my kids to the pediatrician ($90 for annual) and paid my mammogram and ultrasound ($80 each) out of pocket. That's a total of $320 for me (most expensive in the family) for the year (plus $150 per month from CHM).

This year I have a health INSURANCE policy - went for my annual that's supposed to cover labs - am charged $259 for a vitamin D test (only $44 this month on directlabs) that the doc ordered and can't seem to get the correct code for Quest Labs to cover - it is simply outrageous what Quest charges. The mammogram which is supposed to be covered is billed $97 to me (along with a bunch of nasty letters) - that's more than the $80 cash I paid last year for the very same mammogram - same place - but with insurance and its premiums.

[SnakeBoy]

And that guaranteed coverage under Obamacare only lasts as long as the insurance company makes money and if not, pulls out the next year. At which time, one is forced to go to another company until they all pull out. The health sharing model cuts out the middle man (insurance company), encourages comparison shopping and (CHM) offers different levels of coverage ($45 per month/$5k per incident deductible to $150 per month/$500 per incident deductible). Look, I'm not here pushing these plans - just letting desperate people know of other options. At least, there are choices than the outrageous premiums on the exchanges (that's if your county has choices).


I'm not defending Obamacare. I'd like to see it repealed. I'm just pointing out what cost sharing is and isn't. Yeah it's an option for some people but it's not an answer to the overall healthcare problems.



It's not just direct care for primary care physicians but for diagnostic, blood labs, etc. When dh was not working, I had everyone take the $69 CWP in December (directlabs.com), took my kids to the pediatrician ($90 for annual) and paid my mammogram and ultrasound ($80 each) out of pocket. That's a total of $320 for me (most expensive in the family) for the year (plus $150 per month from CHM).


Your kind of making my point about direct care. You spent $320 but a direct care physician would have collected $600 for the year. It's not cheaper and it's not a solution to our healthcare problems. It is a good deal for the physician. Trust me, my wife has looked into it and concierge and I'm like Hell Yeah Do It! Unfortunately (for me) she's all ethical and shit.

[SnakeBoy]

Back to the op

Is Schumer trying to set himself up for a run with his shots at Hillary?

[rmt]

I'm not defending Obamacare. I'd like to see it repealed. I'm just pointing out what cost sharing is and isn't. Yeah it's an option for some people but it's not an answer to the overall healthcare problems.



Your kind of making my point about direct care. You spent $320 but a direct care physician would have collected $600 for the year. It's not cheaper and it's not a solution to our healthcare problems. It is a good deal for the physician. Trust me, my wife has looked into it and concierge and I'm like Hell Yeah Do It! Unfortunately (for me) she's all ethical and shit.

My apologies - I was not clear in my previous post (when I mentioned $90 for an annual). I only want catastrophic insurance and to pay out of pocket for out of non-castrostrophic expenses. We really don't go to the doc for anything other than physicals. Colds/flus I treat with chicken soup and oil of oregano.

[Kim Jong-il]

Back to the op

Is Schumer trying to set himself up for a run with his shots at Hillary?
Even he's gotta know there's no way in hell an ultra Jewy New Yorker is ever getting into the White House.

[RandomGuy]

im completely ambivalent about slogans

Well, there is your slogan.

Time to figure out how to change "Believe." to "ambivalent about slogans". :D

[rjv]

i read, yesterday, that kamala harris is being targeted by the clinton faction as a preferred candidate. she just spent some time in the hamptons hobnobbing with wall street donors.

[AaronY]

Those evil Clintons! at it again!

[Reck]

i read, yesterday, that kamala harris is being targeted by the clinton faction as a preferred candidate. she just spent some time in the hamptons hobnobbing with wall street donors.

LOL dead on arrival.

If you want to have a chance, please dont associate your name with the Clintons.

[SnakeBoy]

i read, yesterday, that kamala harris is being targeted by the clinton faction as a preferred candidate. she just spent some time in the hamptons hobnobbing with wall street donors.

Gutless move by the Dems. They should go full black this time.

[hater]

Tulsi Gabbard negroes. Ahes hot and i vote for her. Love that pussy.

[RandomGuy]

I know Hannity is always pumping the direct care model but he doesn't know what he is talking about.

Anyone who thinks Hannity is a good source of information, deserves him.

[rjv]

LOL dead on arrival.

If you want to have a chance, please dont associate your name with the Clintons. exactly. not sure why the dems can't seem to figure this out.

[RandomGuy]

It really isn't. The health cost sharing model basically is a group of people sharing the cost of what has happened but offering no guaranteed coverage for what might happen in the future which is what real insurance is legally required to cover.



The direct care model really isn't lowering costs. It's actually more profitable for primary care physicians.

My wife's practice is around 3000-3500 patients and she bills around $650k per year. That's office visits, in house labs & other diagnostics. Her practice has a large in house lab so most labs are done in house. She keeps around 45% of that and the rest goes to overhead.

Under the direct care model physicians reduce their practice to around 1500 patients and charge them $50-75 per month which covers all office visits and in house labs/procedures but they don't accept any form of insurance. So even at the low end of $50 per month that direct care physician is taking in $900K per year, seeing half the # of patients, and reducing their overhead by not taking any insurance. Oh but look I don't charge for in house labs.

I know Hannity is always pumping the direct care model but he doesn't know what he is talking about. Primary care is not the cost driver in our healthcare system. In fact one of the things Obamacare was trying to do was incentivize primary care because more primary care means less spent on specialist care which accounts for about 75% of all outpatient payments.

What % of all overhead goes to medical coding and billing?

Seems to me one of the largest drivers of inefficiency is that you have so many different insurance companies, with so many plans, you have to pay an army of full-time staffers to figure out who to bill, how much, etc.

This system is just too complex for automation, even now, so it requires sheer brute force human effort. Additionally, you have a for-profit company that has to factor in a profit margin. Some of these costs are absorbed by returns on profits from invested reserves, but health insurers earn vanishingly small returns on their reserves, a few percent at most.

So now, the adminsitrative costs of the doctor from the complexity of our payment system are passed on, the adminsitrative costs and profit costs are passed on, and the bill for systemic inefficiency lands at the premium payer, which is either an employer or an individual.

Costs are opaque to this payer. They generally don't see, or care, what the doctor charges. There is no price comparison that makes free-market systems efficient until this point. Copays work to a point to cause some elasticisty of demand, but the evidence/studies done is that we have already pegged that needle, i.e. more cost shifting to payers won't change anything.

Beyond this inefficiency, you have 50 state markets for health insurance. You can't portage a plan or coverage easily. Another layer of inefficiency, built into the system.

So you have administrative bloat driven by complexity of billing and payment.

This cost is then passed on to the insurance company.

This in turn, also requires an army of clerks sorting through all the claim requests.

As an insurance expert, who has audited HMOs, and spoken to CEOs of insurance companies, as well as hospital systems themselves, with responsibility for claims reviews and knowledge of how the money flows, I still find shopping for health insurance and evaluation of coverage difficult. I feel for the average joe who has to enter this process with less information/experience.

If memory serves 25% of all health care spending end up being eaten up by administrative costs from this grossly ineffient system, that isn't even really a free-market system, because the prices aren't really transparent.

I have come to conclude that a singe-payer, government run system, ala medicare would eliminate a great deal of this inefficiency. The government, for all its built in inefficiency, gets the advantage of efficiency of scale that the hundreds-thousands of individual health insurers could never hope to match. It also collectivizes bargaining power.

"But governments are inefficient"-- our current system is vastly inefficient now.
"but government is wasteful" -- our current system is vastly wasteful now.
"but people defraud the government"-- people defraud private companies, with less resources to go after people now.

Germans, and every other major industrialized country do this already. This is not magic.

You want a more "free-market-y" solution, great, I'd love to hear it. I have yet to see any workable conserative solution that even comes close to addressing the wasteful complexity of our not-really-free-market insurance system.

Your solution should address:
Billing complexity caused by differing plans
Payment complexity caused by differing plans
Cost shifting from uninsured/unreimbursed utilization at the hospital and practice level
Systemic complexity from differing plans and individual time spent evaluating choices


We have a disorganized, ad-hoc patchwork that costs us dearly. The studies done on the leading causes of personal bankruptcy show that medical bills top out the list. This cost shifting gets passed on to everybody who borrows, or loans, money.

[sickdsm]

On the subject of billing, I had a prescription written, i went to pick it up and it was $300. Called another place and it was $260. Wow that's high for what it is but whatever, bring you insurance in when you pick it up. With insurance, which doesn't cover it but goes towards my $5000 deductible it was now $900. Call the doctor, ask about a generic or anything else, she tells me XX will work, just not as convenient. With insurance that was $70, but hey, pay out of pocket and its $18 now. WTF?


Administrator told my wife to negotiate hospital bills 20%, they did 15% without blinking this winter on an ER trip.

[rmt]

Pay directly for non-castastrophic/emergency - cut out the middleman - no insurance company or government. Whoever thinks government is efficient is nuts - I'm back working for the government after 20+ years and it hasn't gotten any more efficient. Non-existent planning for the future - tons of legacy COBOL code and most mainframe programmers here are retiring within 5 years (they've entered the DROP program where one can collect pension and continue working). The mainframe is the core (live data) and they link to so many different vendors (it's madness) which change it seems on a yearly basis depending on whatever the fancy of the fools downtown. This situation is all over - the schools, the county, utility company. We, the taxpayers, are on the hook for all these pensions and products.

[rmt]

On the subject of billing, I had a prescription written, i went to pick it up and it was $300. Called another place and it was $260. Wow that's high for what it is but whatever, bring you insurance in when you pick it up. With insurance, which doesn't cover it but goes towards my $5000 deductible it was now $900. Call the doctor, ask about a generic or anything else, she tells me XX will work, just not as convenient. With insurance that was $70, but hey, pay out of pocket and its $18 now. WTF?


Administrator told my wife to negotiate hospital bills 20%, they did 15% without blinking this winter on an ER trip.

I encourage you to comparison shop. Our supermarket Publix offers 4 free drugs e.g. amoxicillin, Metformin and 2 others. No one in FL should be paying anything for these if they took the time to google. Check out Walmart $4/30-day and $10/90-day prescription list. Also, Costco is reasonable and you don't have to be a member to buy their drugs. And directlabs is cheap. They have monthly specials and their Comprehensive Wellness Profile is $69 in December.

[SnakeBoy]

i read, yesterday, that kamala harris is being targeted by the clinton faction as a preferred candidate. she just spent some time in the hamptons hobnobbing with wall street donors.

Yeah, sounds like the DNC has already chosen the candidate for the peoples

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) has already begun to telegraph Sen. Kamala Harris aka Kamala Clinton as its presumptive nominee. They have already begun to fund her via the Clinton donor network and they have already begin the mass media assault based on a false projection of sexism and racism on to the progressive wing of the party. They have already begun ramping up the assault on progressives who they have deemed to be Bernie Bros; which in and of itself is a sexist term. Given these conditions and given the DNC’s known proclivity to put its finger on its primary election system’s scale by virtue of its elitist/anti-progressive control mechanism known as superdelegates, it is safe to say that any of Kamala Clinton’s progressive primary challengers will face an uphill battle against the very same establishment that fought against the nomination of Bernie Sanders tooth and nail.


And the progressive wing is already being told to stfu

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[monosylab1k]

No clue if Kamala Harris could beat Trump, but it would be fun to watch her bend Trump over and buttfuck him during debates. Trump won't have Richard Burr there to shut her up, either.

[boutons_deux]

Health care in america is fucked and doomed to remain fucked because BigInsrance has rigged it to be rigged for their profit NOT for health care

Medicare for all is the solution but it's impossible because BigInsurance, backed by its investors, owns legislators

Look at the insanity of health care reform, it's all about how to pay the prices, where to find the money demanded, extorted, not how to reduce costs

[Reck]

Yeah, sounds like the DNC has already chosen the candidate for the peoples

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) has already begun to telegraph Sen. Kamala Harris aka Kamala Clinton as its presumptive nominee. They have already begun to fund her via the Clinton donor network and they have already begin the mass media assault based on a false projection of sexism and racism on to the progressive wing of the party. They have already begun ramping up the assault on progressives who they have deemed to be Bernie Bros; which in and of itself is a sexist term. Given these conditions and given the DNC’s known proclivity to put its finger on its primary election system’s scale by virtue of its elitist/anti-progressive control mechanism known as superdelegates, it is safe to say that any of Kamala Clinton’s progressive primary challengers will face an uphill battle against the very same establishment that fought against the nomination of Bernie Sanders tooth and nail.


And the progressive wing is already being told to stfu

892154882622468096

They never learn.

I mean, it worked with Obama but I dont think the masses care for a newbie coming in. Specially one backed by the Clintons. They just need to go away.

Besides, I think its too early even for her. She'll probably run and get bukakked by a more experience person. Bernie himself hasn't rule out running. The carcass.

But I agree with that guy's tweet. You cant attack Harris when she doesn't even have a resume' or know what she would bring to the table. Who the fuck is she anyway?

The Bernie supporters need to chill out with their antifa-like behavior. They're a big part of why we have Trump to begin with.

[baseline bum]

The Bernie supporters need to chill out with their antifa-like behavior. They're a big part of why we have Trump to begin with.

What a load of crap. Clinton and the Democrats embracing free trade is what people in the battleground states of the rust belt voted against. Sanders was strong in the primaries there and his stances on free trade and immigration play well in the rust belt.

[Reck]

What a load of crap. Clinton and the Democrats embracing free trade is what people in the battleground states of the rust belt voted against. Sanders was strong in the primaries there and his stances on free trade and immigration play well in the rust belt.

He also thought the white vote was going to carry him. He badly underestimated the southern states and got his ass handed to him there. He essentially lost the fight early on because of it and only made a semi comeback because of the white voting state+ because they were caucuses.

I don't see how that statement is a "load of crap" given that they're still a huge obstacle to the party.

The Dem party will never go to the far left. They just have to live with that.

[baseline bum]

He also thought the white vote was going to carry him. He badly underestimated the southern states and got his ass handed to him there. He essentially lost the fight early on because of it and only made a semi comeback because of the white voting state+ because they were caucuses.

I don't see how that statement is a "load of crap" given that they're still a huge obstacle to the party.

The Dem party will never go to the far left. They just have to live with that.

All that deep south support that Clinton got is meaningless in a system where the electoral college elects the president. Sanders would have gotten the same number of electoral votes in the south that Clinton did.

[monosylab1k]

He also thought the white vote was going to carry him. He badly underestimated the southern states and got his ass handed to him there. He essentially lost the fight early on because of it and only made a semi comeback because of the white voting state+ because they were caucuses.

I don't see how that statement is a "load of crap" given that they're still a huge obstacle to the party.

The Dem party will never go to the far left. They just have to live with that.

He lost the South because old black people are fucking retarded. They just remember how much Bill powdered their asses and thought Hillary would do the same. They never bothered to see that Bernie's ideas were by far the best for the black community.

[Will Hunting]

He lost the South because old black people are fucking retarded. They just remember how much Bill powdered their asses and thought Hillary would do the same. They never bothered to see that Bernie's ideas were by far the best for the black community.
This. The old n!ggers in the south are brain dead bible thumpers who would vote for a golden retriever with dementia if its last name was Clinton and if their preacher told them to.

Blaming the Bernie supporters for Trump is one of the dumbest pro-Hillary things Reck has said on this site. Bernie lost the primary because of super delegates and retarded black people who think Bill Clinton is an ally to the black community since he likes fat white women and plays the saxaphone.

[Will Hunting]

He also thought the white vote was going to carry him. He badly underestimated the southern states and got his ass handed to him there. He essentially lost the fight early on because of it and only made a semi comeback because of the white voting state+ because they were caucuses.

I don't see how that statement is a "load of crap" given that they're still a huge obstacle to the party.

The Dem party will never go to the far left. They just have to live with that.
Classic example of your stupid modern day dem who values multiculturalism over everything else.

it was Clinton who lost the presidency by ignoring the white vote thinking she could win with support from minority groups that have historically been too fucking lazy to vote (:lol betting your entire campaign on the hope that black people would magically develop a strong enough work ethic to wake up and vote at the same rate white people do).

Trump won the presidency by more or less giving the middle finger to your beloved minority groups and carrying the white vote.

[baseline bum]

This. The old n!ggers in the south are brain dead bible thumpers who would vote for a golden retriever with dementia if its last name was Clinton and if their preacher told them to.

Blaming the Bernie supporters for Trump is one of the dumbest pro-Hillary things Reck has said on this site. Bernie lost the primary because of super delegates and retarded black people who think Bill Clinton is an ally to the black community since he likes fat white women and plays the saxaphone.

The superdelegates really should have started paying attention when Sanders won Michigan and routed Clinton in Wisconsin. But instead the DNC was brain dead in thinking they had the rust belt wrapped up and were better off spending resources at the end of the election for electoral votes in Georgia and Arizona. They got greedy, thinking they had a landslide win and that Clinton was going to get this big mandate like what Obama was elected with in 2008.

[Will Hunting]

The superdelegates really should have started paying attention when Sanders won Michigan and routed Clinton in Wisconsin. But instead the DNC was brain dead in thinking they had the rust belt wrapped up and were better off spending resources at the end of the election for electoral votes in Georgia and Arizona. They got greedy, thinking they had a landslide win and that Clinton was going to get this big mandate like what Obama was elected with in 2008.

It's only going to get worse too, I think Minnesota is the next state to flip. The anti-immigration sentiment there has grown a lot ever since they let Minneapolis essentially become a refugee camp for Somalians to collect welfare. The question is if the Trump voters in places like Youngstown flip back to voting Democratic after Trump spends 4 years taking their healthcare away and cutting taxes for the rich while doing nothing to limit free trade.

[baseline bum]

Classic example of your stupid modern day dem who values multiculturalism over everything else.

it was Clinton who lost the presidency by ignoring the white vote thinking she could win with support from minority groups that have historically been too fucking lazy to vote (:lol betting your entire campaign on the hope that black people would magically develop a strong enough work ethic to wake up and vote at the same rate white people do).

Trump won the presidency by more or less giving the middle finger to your beloved minority groups and carrying the white vote.

I really hope Trump's immigration bill gets some real Democrat support, but I doubt it will because :cry think of the teh mexicans :cry. The green card lottery is retarded. I don't see why we shouldn't have a merit based immigration system like the rest of the first world. Give me your poor, tired, hungry, etc made sense 150 years ago when we were a nation with a ton of land and almost no one on it, but now as a nation of 330 million there is no reason for us to be needing just a bunch of warm bodies. I'm for cutting immigration so we can see a shortage of labor that would give workers a real bargaining tool to raise the wages that have stagnated for 35 years now. Fuck the wall though, what a waste of money. Take that money and instead put it into enforcement of the laws on the books for people who hire wetbacks.

[boutons_deux]

exactly. not sure why the dems can't seem to figure this out.

It's not Clintons, it's the entire Dem professional political establishment beholden to the oligarchy's $Bs

Iow, the oligarchy owns and operates the country, with both parties doing its bidding, with the Repugs being overtly more active

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I really hope Trump's immigration bill gets some real Democrat support, but I doubt it will because :cry think of the teh mexicans :cry. The green card lottery is retarded. I don't see why we shouldn't have a merit based immigration system like the rest of the first world. Give me your poor, tired, hungry, etc made sense 150 years ago when we were a nation with a ton of land and almost no one on it, but now as a nation of 330 million there is no reason for us to be needing just a bunch of warm bodies. I'm for cutting immigration so we can see a shortage of labor that would give workers a real bargaining tool to raise the wages that have stagnated for 35 years now. Fuck the wall though, what a waste of money. Take that money and instead put it into enforcement of the laws on the books for people who hire wetbacks.
This makes a ton of sense... I'd vote for someone who ran on that. Wages and salaries increase when there's less competition squeezing labor prices down, it's basic economics.

[Will Hunting]

This makes a ton of sense... I'd vote for someone who ran on that. Wages and salaries increase when there's less competition squeezing labor prices down, it's basic economics.
Pretty much, it's been like that since the beginning of time. The first time workers in Europe actually had bargaining power was after the Plague literally wiped out 1/3rd of its population.

[Pelicans78]

Reck getting wrecked in this thread.

[Pelicans78]

Health care in america is fucked and doomed to remain fucked because BigInsrance has rigged it to be rigged for their profit NOT for health care

Medicare for all is the solution but it's impossible because BigInsurance, backed by its investors, owns legislators

Look at the insanity of health care reform, it's all about how to pay the prices, where to find the money demanded, extorted, not how to reduce costs

No thanks. I'd rather keep my private insurance for me and my family instead of be on Medicare which my parents are on.

[boutons_deux]

When supply of Labor gets tight, upward pressure on wages, the Fed, operated by and for Capitalists, will raise interest rates to cause excess Labor and suppress wage demands

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Pretty much, it's been like that since the beginning of time. The first time workers in Europe actually had bargaining power was after the Plague literally wiped out 1/3rd of its population.

That's part of why Europe tries to keep a steady population instead of continuing to have too many babies per couple.

[florige]

He lost the South because old black people are fucking retarded. They just remember how much Bill powdered their asses and thought Hillary would do the same. They never bothered to see that Bernie's ideas were by far the best for the black community.



I think alot of older black people ignoring Bernie was due to the fact Clinton was going around touting Obama every chance she could hoping that alone would cruise her to victory. AA's will always love the Obama's for obvious reasons, and Clinton used that to her advantage far before Obama came out and officially endorsed her. Bernie very rarely mentioned Obama at all. People who are pretty ignorant to things and only focus in on sound bites are easy to fool, and that counts for both sides of the aisle.

[boutons_deux]

A lot of black adults remembered Slick Willie signing "end of welfare as we know it", a long-time Repug objective along with 4 other Repug objectives he signed, which screwed Ms of blacks

Hillary did not excite, did not get enough votes of the young (black, Latino, white) who were disappointed not to vote for Bernie.

But the Hillary killer was Assange/Pootin and Comey, esp Comey's "we found more email but we don't know what's in it" 10 days before the election.

[pgardn]

People seem to think this Trump win was a blow out.
This was a very, very close election.

Why is it that because the election was a surprise, it is assumed as some sort of mandate?

The democrats could win with a turnip IMO, especially based on the incompetence now.

[pgardn]

A lot of black adults remembered Slick Willie signing "end of welfare as we know it", a long-time Repug objective along with 4 other Repug objectives he signed, which screwed Ms of blacks

Hillary did not excite, did not get enough votes of the young (black, Latino, white) who were disappointed not to vote for Bernie.

But the Hillary killer was Assange/Pootin and Comey, esp Comey's "we found more email but we don't know what's in it" 10 days before the election.

Wrong.

Trump mined the uneducated white vote that sat at home before.
And, she was a ridiculously obstinate candidate that could not admit she was wrong and used cunning to walk the line of legality. She was a Democtatic Trump in many ways concerning status and $

[florige]

People seem to think this Trump win was a blow out.
This was a very, very close election.

Why is it that because the election was a surprise, it is assumed as some sort of mandate?

The democrats could win with a turnip IMO, especially based on the incompetence now.


If Trump continues down this road you can almost bet that the Repugs will have a challenger in 20 especially if Trump is polling as bad as he is now.

[boutons_deux]

No thanks. I'd rather keep my private insurance for me and my family instead of be on Medicare which my parents are on.

I would expect Medicare for all to be improved over current Medicare AND eliminate the BigInsurance subsidy of Medicare Advantage.

[Thread]

Wrong.

Trump mined the uneducated white vote that sat at home before.
And, she was a ridiculously obstinate candidate that could not admit she was wrong and used cunning to walk the line of legality. She was a Democtatic Trump in many ways concerning status and $

Go ahead, get 'em to "sat" again.

[pgardn]

If Trump continues down this road you can almost bet that the Repugs will have a challenger in 20 especially if Trump is polling as bad as he is now.

All that remains to be seen is how Republican rats leave the sinking ship. It's very hard to predict how the significants will portray their opposition to Trump in 20.

[pgardn]

Go ahead, get 'em to "sat" again.

Can you guarantee another Hillary? If so...

[Thread]

Can you guarantee another Hillary? If so...

Frankly, that's all you got. You still ain't learned your lessons. You're still trying to ram that square peg into a round hole.

[Chris]

Frankly, that's all you got. You still ain't learned your lessons. You're still trying to ram that square peg into a round hole.

They've nary other choice. Tapper and Maddow ring the bell and they come a runnin'

[Thread]

They've nary other choice. Tapper and Maddow ring the bell and they come a runnin'

Bingo!!!

[pgardn]

Frankly, that's all you got. You still ain't learned your lessons. You're still trying to ram that square peg into a round hole.

I am.

What did I just post about Hillary?
Think.

[pgardn]

They've nary other choice. Tapper and Maddow ring the bell and they come a runnin'

If Trump can win, they can.
Its that tenuous at the moment.
No qualifications required. And if they could ignite the black and Hispanic vote you two don't show your asses on this board. That's the surest comment of all.

[Chris]

If Trump can win, they can.
Its that tenuous at the moment.
No qualifications required. And if they could ignite the black and Hispanic vote you two don't show your asses on this board. That's the surest comment of all.

I'm here come hell or highwater.

[pgardn]

I'm here come hell or highwater.

Easy to say.
But the past tells a different story.
Repent yet again for your lies.

[Chris]

But the past tells a different story.

Explain.

[pgardn]

Explain.

Your complete absence.

Your need for others (Thread) to validate your posts.
Ask Thread about your Lord and scripture.

[Spurtacular]

I see they're trying to prop up that pretend-black woman, Kamala Harris. She's even more pretend black than Obama ever was. But she's a woman with a minority tint; so, that's like a Dem dream.

[Chris]

Your complete absence.

Your need for others (Thread) to validate your posts.
Ask Thread about your Lord and scripture.

I've been here since the Spring of 05'. Let us proceed...

[pgardn]

I've been here since the Spring of 05'. Let us proceed...

Not on this forum with your vain ways.

You flourish when you find safety.
You can't stand against Romans.
You know this.

"Let us proceed"
Ypu got that from the scripture according to Thread.
Exactly.

[Chris]

Not on this forum with your vain ways.

You flourish when you find safety.
You can't stand against Romans.
You know this.

"Let us proceed"
Ypu got that from the scripture according to Thread.
Exactly.

puff puff give

[Pelicans78]

I would expect Medicare for all to be improved over current Medicare AND eliminate the BigInsurance subsidy of Medicare Advantage.

You can expert or hope for it, but you would be disappointed since the country can't afford to run it efficiently as any other big government program mostly because of outrageous defense spending.

[SnakeBoy]

The superdelegates really should have started paying attention when Sanders won Michigan and routed Clinton in Wisconsin. But instead the DNC was brain dead in thinking they had the rust belt wrapped up and were better off spending resources at the end of the election for electoral votes in Georgia and Arizona. They got greedy, thinking they had a landslide win and that Clinton was going to get this big mandate like what Obama was elected with in 2008.

lol she even thought she had a shot at Texas and bought ad time and had campaign events here.

[pgardn]

lol she even thought she had a shot at Texas and bought ad time and had campaign events here.

It was that bad after the grabbing video.

People forget.

[SnakeBoy]

It was that <believed to be> bad after the grabbing video.

People forget.

fify

but it wasn't

There's tons of articles from the time that in retrospect show how right bb is


For Clinton's team, the desire is to not just beat Trump, but to trounce him. She talks about the choice in this election in moral terms, and her allies have talked of demonstrating that Trump's candidacy was rejected by the country in the strongest possible terms on election night.
Back in June, the head of the pro-Clinton superPAC Priorities USA Action, Guy Cecil, said, "We must not just defeat Trump. We must defeat him soundly, among as many Americans and in as many states as possible."
Given Trump's talk of a "rigged" election, the mission for Clinton might expand beyond just rejecting his message, to eliminating any doubt the GOP nominee may cast on the outcome of the race.
http://www.npr.org/2016/10/18/498376750/is-hillary-clinton-really-trying-to-win-texas


She was so busy charging ahead she left her flanks exposed

[pgardn]

fify

but it wasn't

There's tons of articles from the time that in retrospect show how right bb is



She was so busy charging ahead she left her flanks exposed

It was a moment in a long campaign.
Perfectly understandable why the Dems got excited about prospects.

Hindsight must be taken with a dose of the moment otherwise you learn nothing.
This was an extraordinarily rapidly changing campaign. And a very surprising result that all Americans must hold to.

[florige]

Frankly, that's all you got. You still ain't learned your lessons. You're still trying to ram that square peg into a round hole.



Remember that half black guy who came out of the cracks to beat Hillary in 08? Remember 08 was supposed to be all Hillary. My point being it doesn't take long for someone to get a message out that resonates with people. We have got 3 1/2 more long years.

[Chinook]

Pretty much, it's been like that since the beginning of time. The first time workers in Europe actually had bargaining power was after the Plague literally wiped out 1/3rd of its population.

And if a plague ran in 2020, I'd probably vote for it over Harris and Trump.

[Thread]

Remember that half black guy who came out of the cracks to beat Hillary in 08? Remember 08 was supposed to be all Hillary. My point being it doesn't take long for someone to get a message out that resonates with people. We have got 3 1/2 more long years.

Point taken.

[Reck]

He lost the South because old black people are fucking retarded. They just remember how much Bill powdered their asses and thought Hillary would do the same. They never bothered to see that Bernie's ideas were by far the best for the black community.


Classic example of your stupid modern day dem who values multiculturalism over everything else.

it was Clinton who lost the presidency by ignoring the white vote thinking she could win with support from minority groups that have historically been too fucking lazy to vote (:lol betting your entire campaign on the hope that black people would magically develop a strong enough work ethic to wake up and vote at the same rate white people do).

Trump won the presidency by more or less giving the middle finger to your beloved minority groups and carrying the white vote.

Sure blame it on the blacks being lazy. :cry

Talk about giving shitty excuses to the dude's lost instead of just saying yeah Bernie fucked up by not campaigning in those states that could have made the difference.

You know you have no case when Bernie himself said how missed the opportunity to campaign in those said states to get his message out more broadly.

In your guy's own word, the old man was either too lazy to go to those places or he took a page right from under Hillary's book and was overconfident he didn't need them and only pandered to the white and young. Clearly that wasn't enough.

And this wasn't the general elections so why even bring that up? If you want to have a discussion about that then ok, lets have it. But this is about the democratic primaries where those states obviously mattered and in which he didn't care enough to go to.

[Will Hunting]

And this wasn't the general elections so why even bring that up? If you want to have a discussion about that then ok, lets have it. But this is about the democratic primaries where those states obviously mattered and in which he didn't care enough to go to.
No it's not, this entire discussion started when you said the Bernie supporters contributed to Trump's win in the general election and after BB pointed out how retarded that statement was, you pivoted to the primary and how Bernie lost because he didn't care about :cry the black vote :cry.

Bernie was also won the younger black vote in the primary (particularly the educated black vote), he lost the brain dead "muh dick muh Clinton muh preacher" vote.

[rjv]

Democrats need to scrutinize the Black vote more carefully, especially when it comes to the younger and more educated faction. That demographic no longer buys the notion that the Dems are their party. The Clintons certainly did not advocate on their behalf, nor did Obama for that matter.

[boutons_deux]

Mike Pence Considering Running for President in 1820


https://media.newyorker.com/photos/598877ac9fad7e09af3c309d/master/w_1626,c_limit/Borowitz-Mike-Pence-Considering-Running-for-President-in-1820.jpg

WASHINGTON — Vice-President Mike Pence is seriously considering running for President in 1820, various sources confirmed over the weekend.

According to several prominent Republican donors, Pence is already laying the groundwork for such a campaign, outlining what he believes are the most serious challenges facing 1820 America.

In a conference call with donors last week, Pence reportedly said that, as President,

his No. 1 priority would be to repeal and replace the Bill of Rights.

He offered a sneak preview of a potential 1820 stump speech, in which he unleashed a brutal attack on the Bill of Rights’ author, James Madison, and called for the development of the telegraph key.

According to Harland Dorrinson, a donor who was on the conference call,

“Mike believes he’s the right man to bring America into the nineteenth century, just like he did for Indiana.”

But minutes after the rumors were reported,

the Vice-President pushed back, putting quill to parchment to call the reports “bunkum and balderdash.”

“America already has the perfect man to lead it in 1820, and that man is Donald J. Trump,” Pence wrote.

In Washington, some political insiders also threw cold water on the Pence-in-1820 talk, arguing that the timing was not right.

“Pence’s best shot was 1620,” one said.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/mike-pence-considering-running-for-president-in-1820 (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/mike-pence-considering-running-for-president-in-1820)

[boutons_deux]

Wrong.

Trump mined the uneducated white vote that sat at home before.


as always, your takes are hilariously wrong.

The youth vote mostly didn't vote after Bernie was out.

The leading, swint factor for Trash was his racism and xenophobia, blaming The Other for white sheeples' financial distress and absence of a future.

Trash's vote was split three ways

1/3 < $50K (your poor whitey sheeple, duped, conned, lied to )

1/3 > $50K < $100K

1/3 > $100K

Assange/Pootin and Comery were the real destroyers of Hillary, but she still won the popular vote by a greater margins than some Pres have won the WH

[florige]

Mike Pence Considering Running for President in 1820


https://media.newyorker.com/photos/598877ac9fad7e09af3c309d/master/w_1626,c_limit/Borowitz-Mike-Pence-Considering-Running-for-President-in-1820.jpg

WASHINGTON — Vice-President Mike Pence is seriously considering running for President in 1820, various sources confirmed over the weekend.

According to several prominent Republican donors, Pence is already laying the groundwork for such a campaign, outlining what he believes are the most serious challenges facing 1820 America.

In a conference call with donors last week, Pence reportedly said that, as President,

his No. 1 priority would be to repeal and replace the Bill of Rights.

He offered a sneak preview of a potential 1820 stump speech, in which he unleashed a brutal attack on the Bill of Rights’ author, James Madison, and called for the development of the telegraph key.

According to Harland Dorrinson, a donor who was on the conference call,

“Mike believes he’s the right man to bring America into the nineteenth century, just like he did for Indiana.”

But minutes after the rumors were reported,

the Vice-President pushed back, putting quill to parchment to call the reports “bunkum and balderdash.”

“America already has the perfect man to lead it in 1820, and that man is Donald J. Trump,” Pence wrote.

In Washington, some political insiders also threw cold water on the Pence-in-1820 talk, arguing that the timing was not right.

“Pence’s best shot was 1620,” one said.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/mike-pence-considering-running-for-president-in-1820 (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/mike-pence-considering-running-for-president-in-1820)





lol at Pence openly admitting he is plotting against his current boss.

[monosylab1k]

Sure blame it on the blacks being lazy. :cry

Talk about giving shitty excuses to the dude's lost instead of just saying yeah Bernie fucked up by not campaigning in those states that could have made the difference.

You know you have no case when Bernie himself said how missed the opportunity to campaign in those said states to get his message out more broadly.

In your guy's own word, the old man was either too lazy to go to those places or he took a page right from under Hillary's book and was overconfident he didn't need them and only pandered to the white and young. Clearly that wasn't enough.

And this wasn't the general elections so why even bring that up? If you want to have a discussion about that then ok, lets have it. But this is about the democratic primaries where those states obviously mattered and in which he didn't care enough to go to.

I didn't call black people lazy, don't put words in my mouth. I also didn't blame all black people, I just blamed old black Southern people who think taking political advice from a corrupt preacher is a good idea.

[Reck]

I didn't call black people lazy, don't put words in my mouth. I also didn't blame all black people, I just blamed old black Southern people who think taking political advice from a corrupt preacher is a good idea.

I meant that for Williams, my bad.

The black, younger generation no longer buys into the well my father and father before him voted this way so I better vote this way, too, like rjv pointed out.

[CosmicCowboy]

fify

but it wasn't

There's tons of articles from the time that in retrospect show how right bb is



She was so busy charging ahead she left her flanks exposed
And some big ass flanks they were...lol

[SnakeBoy]

1st official candidate

http://millennial-review.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/J.jpg

[Will Hunting]

Anyone who thinks the Dems aren't capable of fucking up what should be an easy 2020 election is kidding himself. They still clearly are the party of the Clintons and are going to trot out some really unpopular Hillary clone or Hillary herself.

[RandomGuy]

Remember that half black guy who came out of the cracks to beat Hillary in 08? Remember 08 was supposed to be all Hillary. My point being it doesn't take long for someone to get a message out that resonates with people. We have got 3 1/2 more long years.

Warren, or our own Castro.

[RandomGuy]

Democrats need to scrutinize the Black vote more carefully, especially when it comes to the younger and more educated faction. That demographic no longer buys the notion that the Dems are their party. The Clintons certainly did not advocate on their behalf, nor did Obama for that matter.

I don't see how any person of color can think the Republican party is anything other than the party of rich white people, by rich white people, and for rich white people.

That leave the Democratic party, which should do everything in its power not to take those voters for granted, and serve their interests vigorously.

[RandomGuy]

And some big ass flanks they were...lol

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--JrV_uOaD--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/av2unne3kzihcphkcab4.jpg

You can't un-see it.

You're welcome.

[florige]

Anyone who thinks the Dems aren't capable of fucking up what should be an easy 2020 election is kidding himself. They still clearly are the party of the Clintons and are going to trot out some really unpopular Hillary clone or Hillary herself.



The DNC has got 3 1/2 years to distance themselves from the Clinton name. If they are stupid enough to run Hillary again no matter how horrible Trump is at the time they deserve to lose the Presidency forever. Hillary is the one candidate who could probably lose to Trump a second time even if he's polling in the teens. Hillary sticking around poking her nose in things scares me.

[baseline bum]

Warren, or our own Castro.

Warren would be awesome, but what would Castro bring to the table?

[StrengthAndHonor]

Castro has no freaking chance:lol

It's Biden, Warren and Booker.

[ducks]

trump things facebook owner is a person that will run

[Clipper Nation]

Jim Webb should have been their nominee last time and should be their nominee this time.

[Will Hunting]

The DNC has got 3 1/2 years to distance themselves from the Clinton name. If they are stupid enough to run Hillary again no matter how horrible Trump is at the time they deserve to lose the Presidency forever. Hillary is the one candidate who could probably lose to Trump a second time even if he's polling in the teens. Hillary sticking around poking her nose in things scares me.
6 months in and the DNC has done nothing to distance itself from the Clintons. They're promoting candidates like that bitch in California who's a Clinton shill, and they're even trying to get a NY congressional seat for Chelsea Clinton.

Also, for those mentioning Warren, she ruined any chance she had at running as a serious candidate the way she whored herself out as a lapdog for the Clintons last time around.

[DarrinS]

Jim Webb should have been their nominee last time and should be their nominee this time.


White and straight and male. That's problematic.

[SnakeBoy]

Warren would be awesome, but what would Castro bring to the table?

What do you like about Warren?

Not a setup, I really am curious.

[AaronY]

White and straight and male. That's problematic.
This is really the truth. If I was running the Dem party to stfu for four years and then run Biden but he's not crazy left wing enough and is obviously a straight white dude.

[DarrinS]

The problem for the DNC is that their base is "progressive" and not liberal, in the classical sense.

[DarrinS]

This is really the truth. If I was running the Dem party to stfu for four years and then run Biden but he's not crazy left wing enough and is obviously a straight white dude.

Biden probably would've beaten Trump.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Biden probably would've beaten Trump.

Agree.

Dems definitely shouldn't run a woman again in at least the next couple races... and probably not an uber socialist, they'd get next to no votes over age 40. Warren fits both criteria.

Biden will be too old in 2020, most likely.

They need a more traditional left-centrist in the Harry Truman mold. Reck mentioned a good candidate. What about Schumer? Webb?

[Thread]

Biden probably would've beaten Trump.

No. No way. He's a plagiarist. Though he did make VP twice anyway.

We couldn't even get that mean black sheriff, Clarke, a plagiarist a job once.

[florige]

No. No way. He's a plagiarist. Though he did make VP twice anyway.

We couldn't even get that mean black sheriff, Clarke, a plagiarist a job once.


There is no one on the Dem side at this time that gets me excited. Like I said there is time for someone to emerge. But if the election were held tomorrow we would probably be looking at re-elect Trump. Right now he has more opposition within his own party verses what the Dem's have to offer. Kasich, Cruz, Rubio,and Pence for starters

[Reck]

There is no one on the Dem side at this time that gets me excited. Like I said there is time for someone to emerge. But if the election were held tomorrow we would probably be looking at re-elect Trump. Right now he has more opposition within his own party verses what the Dem's have to offer. Kasich, Cruz, Rubio,and Pence for starters

What?

How does Trump get re-elected if there was an election today? Would he be running by himself?

What a crazy statement.

[hater]

:lmao the 2020 Democrati lineup reminds me of the 2010 San Antonio Spurs :lmao

Except for Tulsi. Tulsi is my girl and I hope she goes all the way

[baseline bum]

What do you like about Warren?

Not a setup, I really am curious.

Mostly that she seems like the first serious candidate who would actually do anything about our criminal financial markets.

[baseline bum]

Biden probably would've beaten Trump.

:cry But it was Hillary's time :cry

[Will Hunting]

Agree.

Dems definitely shouldn't run a woman again in at least the next couple races... and probably not an uber socialist, they'd get next to no votes over age 40. Warren fits both criteria.

Biden will be too old in 2020, most likely.

They need a more traditional left-centrist in the Harry Truman mold. Reck mentioned a good candidate. What about Schumer? Webb?
Truman is maybe the most overrated president in American history.

[rjv]

i do think the dems should be concerned that no one seems to be emerging at this time as a potential front-runner. personally, the likes of a kamala harris would do little to excite the sanders contingency, which is a faction the DNC cannot make the mistake of alienating any further.

[hater]

Tulsi!! Tulsi!! Tulsi!!!!

She better run for real. Ill be on that badwagon like a mofo

Me on the Trump wagon will be nothing compared to dat

Tulsi! Tulsi!!! Tulsi!!!!

[hater]

i do think the dems should be concerned that no one seems to be emerging at this time as a potential front-runner. personally, the likes of a kamala harris would do little to excite the sanders contingency, which is a faction the DNC cannot make the mistake of alienating any further.

Its the DNC and democrats fault

Their spokespeople are Shumer, clinton, prlosi and waters

A fucking circus freak show of wanna e neocons

Their committed suicide by jumping on the neocon wall street warmonger bangbus

They are a joke

Only Tulsi can save us now

[rjv]

Tulsi!! Tulsi!! Tulsi!!!!

She better run for real. Ill be on that badwagon like a mofo

Me on the Trump wagon will be nothing compared to dat

Tulsi! Tulsi!!! Tulsi!!!! i would love to see her on the ballot but i'm skeptical. she would definitely become the 2020 version of sanders if she could get to that point.

[hater]

i would love to see her on the ballot but i'm skeptical. she would definitely become the 2020 version of sanders if she could get to that point.

Sure but sanders was an old geriatric lump of a man even in 2016

Tulsi is young, strong and an Iraq vet

[UNT Eagles 2016]

the Dem ticket would do well to not run a female two times in a row.

[rjv]

Sure but sanders was an old geriatric lump of a man even in 2016

Tulsi is young, strong and an Iraq vet physical attributes aside, she is closest to the ideological equivalent of sanders. there are also other similarities in that she is relatively unknown to the mainstream and she does not have the full support of her party.

[hater]

the Dem ticket would do well to not run a female two times in a row.

What do you mean 2 times ina row? Tulsi would be the first female candidate in a while of not ever

[UNT Eagles 2016]

What do you mean 2 times ina row? Tulsi would be the first female candidate in a while of not ever

Hillary, hate her or not, did kind of, get pregnant and, give birth to a daughter. So I'm pretty sure she's a woman, bitch or not.

[ducks]

Democrats Struggle to Find the Perfect 2020 Candidate
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/democrats-2020-candidate-old/2017/08/31/id/810909/

[RandomGuy]

Democrats Struggle to Find the Perfect 2020 Candidate
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/democrats-2020-candidate-old/2017/08/31/id/810909/

Not much of a struggle. Lots of good candidates are going to be in the offing.

[hater]

Where were the lots of good candidates in 2016?? :lol

The problem is the DNC leadership. They are a bunch of crooks. Unless theres a DNC revolution we all be calling Trump Mr president for another 4 years

[Reck]

Where were the lots of good candidates in 2016?? :lol

The problem is the DNC leadership. They are a bunch of crooks. Unless theres a DNC revolution we all be calling Trump Mr president for another 4 years

Because the RNC is not corrupt if not more so 5 times over. :lol

The problem was not a lack of good candidates. The problem was that none of the good potential good candidates ran because they were afraid/didn't want to overshine Hillary.

Right now is a 50/50 if Trump even makes it to 4 or gets removed from his post.

[hater]

Lol DNC leadership was on
The tank for Shitler they even cheated for her

And 50/50 chance for trump? Where do you get that bullshit #?

[Reck]

And 50/50 chance for trump? Where do you get that bullshit #?

Do you think Mueller is playing make believe?

[hater]

Do you think Mueller is playing make believe?

So far yes. Prosecuting adoptions and begging the IRS so far.

[ducks]

Oprah Spurs Speculation That She'll Run for President in 2020
Oprah Winfrey gave the rumor mill a crank Thursday night after tweeting a shoutout to a columnist who wrote that she would be "Democrats' best hope" against President Donald Trump in 2020.

[Big Empty]

Biden/Michelle Obama would give the Dems their best crack

or Biden/Castro

[Chucho]

Biden/Michelle Obama would give the Dems their best crack

or Biden/Castro

Mooch definitely gots the balls to run, tbh...

[florige]

It's sad that Hillary pretty much destroyed anyone's credibility this election cycle who was supporting her for the exception of the Obama's. Everyone else is pretty much damaged goods thanks to her.

[DarrinS]

Oprah


Oprah Spurs Speculation That She'll Run for President in 2020
Oprah Winfrey gave the rumor mill a crank Thursday night after tweeting a shoutout to a columnist who wrote that she would be "Democrats' best hope" against President Donald Trump in 2020.

[Chinook]

It's sad that Hillary pretty much destroyed anyone's credibility this election cycle who was supporting her for the exception of the Obama's. Everyone else is pretty much damaged goods thanks to her.

It doesn't matter. They're just a placeholder for #LebronPaul2024

[Splits]

Oprah Spurs Speculation That She'll Run for President in 2020
Oprah Winfrey gave the rumor mill a crank Thursday night after tweeting a shoutout to a columnist who wrote that she would be "Democrats' best hope" against President Donald Trump in 2020.

She's running.

[Will Hunting]

Where were the lots of good candidates in 2016?? :lol

The problem is the DNC leadership. They are a bunch of crooks. Unless theres a DNC revolution we all be calling Trump Mr president for another 4 years
There might be good candidates this time around simply because Hilary isn't holding the entire party hostage with threats to blackball anyone who challenged her, but, to your point about its corruption, the DNC literally bankrupted itself and has no polling infrastructure in place because it threw the kitchen sink at getting Hillary through the 2016 primary. Unless the 2020 candidate is a fiend at raising money he/she will already have a big disadvantage in terms of party support.

[rmt]

There might be good candidates this time around simply because Hilary isn't holding the entire party hostage with threats to blackball anyone who challenged her, but, to your point about its corruption, the DNC literally bankrupted itself and has no polling infrastructure in place because it threw the kitchen sink at getting Hillary through the 2016 primary. Unless the 2020 candidate is a fiend at raising money he/she will already have a big disadvantage in terms of party support.

Oprah or Zuckerberg or even Cuban have loads of money. They don't need DNC money - the 1st 2 are media moguls.

[Will Hunting]

Oprah or Zuckerberg or even Cuban have loads of money. They don't need DNC money - the 1st 2 are media moguls.
Yeah they all have money yet the DNC is still broke to this day. Outside of Soros, the ultra rich Dems are a lot cheaper with their political contributions than the other side.

[spurraider21]

John McCain
:lol still funny

[CosmicCowboy]

Im just hoping Trump pulls an LBJ and says fuck it...a second term isnt worth the bullshit. Sadly, Oprah could really win at this point.

[ducks]

Since 2016’s presidential election, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) has been interviewed nine times on CNN’s Sunday flagship show State of the Union, more than any other political officeholder during that same period.

[DarrinS]

Dems could win, easily, if they move to the center and ditch SJW identity politics.

[SnakeBoy]

Because the RNC is not corrupt if not more so 5 times over. :lol

The problem was not a lack of good candidates. The problem was that none of the good potential good candidates ran because they were afraid/didn't want to overshine Hillary.

Right now is a 50/50 if Trump even makes it to 4 or gets removed from his post.

lol what bullshit. The GOP didn't create super delegates so they could guarantee that they could pick the candidate, that's the DNC. You choice in 2020 is Kamala Harris, it's already been decided for you.

[Reck]

lol what bullshit. The GOP didn't create super delegates so they could guarantee that they could pick the candidate, that's the DNC. You choice in 2020 is Kamala Harris, it's already been decided for you.

What's bullshit is the GOP establishment meeting behind closed doors to deny Trump the nomination. :lol

The only reason they didn't do that was because they realized Trump's base would anihilate them. And to this day, they are still afraid of that small percentage.

The Superdelegates is bullshit and should be done away with entirely in my opinion.

:lol Kamala Harris

[SnakeBoy]

What's bullshit is the GOP establishment meeting behind closed doors to deny Trump the nomination. :lol

The only reason they didn't do that was because they realized Trump's base would anihilate them. And to this day, they are still afraid of that small percentage.

The Superdelegates is bullshit and should be done away with entirely in my opinion.

:lol Kamala Harris

Sure thing Mr. I'm With Her :lol

[Reck]

Sure thing Mr. I'm With Her :lol

So you're doing the thinking for me?

:lol snowflake Conservatives. Conform to my world view or die! :lol

[spurraider21]

Oprah
nice tbh

Warren will run but I doubt she does well in primaries. Franken?
:lol

[AaronY]

Dems could win, easily, if they move to the center and ditch SJW identity politics.
I agree about moving to the center. Problem is you have to make it out of the primaries. John Oliver had a good segment about how so few people vote in the primaries that it's a lot of the biggest partisan hacks on both sides voting there.

[koriwhat]

I agree about moving to the center. Problem is you have to make it out of the primaries. John Oliver had a good segment about how so few people vote in the primaries that it's a lot of the biggest partisan hacks on both sides voting there.

getting the news from a wannabe comedian. that's the problem with this country and the people who think any segment is good when it deals with late night left wing nutjob hacks like oliver and the like.

[AaronY]

getting the news from a wannabe comedian. that's the problem with this country and the people who think any segment is good when it deals with late night left wing nutjob hacks like oliver and the like.
He just listed what percentage of people vote in primaries and it was a real low percentage (12% iirc) so it was only the people who followed it really closely aka the Fox News watching all day and :cry Muh Russia :cry crowd

[spurraider21]

He just listed what percentage of people vote in primaries and it was a real low percentage (12% iirc) so it was only the people who followed it really closely aka the Fox News watching all day and :cry Muh Russia :cry crowd
you cant trust libtard stats! they get it from fake news! fuck liberals!

[koriwhat]

you cant trust libtard stats! they get it from fake news! fuck liberals!

you're a pathetic copycat.

[Will Hunting]

you cant trust libtard stats! they get it from fake news! fuck liberals!
I saw this post and actually thought it was koriwhat for a second :lol

[koriwhat]

I saw this post and actually thought it was koriwhat for a second :lol

fall in line dipshit

[spurraider21]

I saw this post and actually thought it was koriwhat for a second :lol
see? typical delusional libcucks!

[koriwhat]

lmao trolls will be trolls, right spurraider?

[koriwhat]

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You’re logged in with two devices. Sneaky. :tu

[koriwhat]

You’re logged in with two devices. Sneaky. :tu

not at all... lol but i thought that might be thought of. i don't care for trolls so therefore i have no alts. this is it. love me or hate me but i ain't no spurraider.

[DarrinS]

not at all... lol but i thought that might be thought of. i don't care for trolls so therefore i have no alts. this is it. love me or hate me but i ain't no spurraider.


I was just messing with you

[koriwhat]

I was just messing with you

i know buddy

[SnakeBoy]

First two contenders


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Eric_Swalwell%2C_official_portrait%2C_114th_Congre ss.jpg/1920px-Eric_Swalwell%2C_official_portrait%2C_114th_Congre ss.jpg

https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/452930762.jpg

[Reck]

Richard Ojeda announced his candidacy for 2020 president.

Trump supporter who turned on him. :lol

[SnakeBoy]

Richard Ojeda announced his candidacy for 2020 president.

Trump supporter who turned on him. :lol

Bernie supporter turned Trump supporter. He's got Nathan's vote.

[AaronY]

Lmao ew

1062423400424062978

[Spurtacular]

First two contenders


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Eric_Swalwell%2C_official_portrait%2C_114th_Congre ss.jpg/1920px-Eric_Swalwell%2C_official_portrait%2C_114th_Congre ss.jpg

https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/452930762.jpg

Dems won't nominate a white person not named Biden, O'rourke, Clinton, Sanders, or Warren.

[SnakeBoy]

Looks like billionaire Tom Steyer is preparing to run


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=dFEHVa4H_o0

It'll be nice to have an anti-wall street billionaire hedge fund manager in the debate.

[Reck]

Looks like billionaire Tom Steyer is preparing to run


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=dFEHVa4H_o0

It'll be nice to have an anti-wall street billionaire hedge fund manager in the debate.

Word is the DNC is on hold waiting for Biden to decide. If he does, they go all in. If he doesn't, pls pray for us. :cry

[Pavlov]

Too bad McRaven has cancer.

And probably isn't even a Democrat....