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hater
03-09-2017, 02:25 PM
Ouch
This doesnt even include the recent Leak of CIA enslavement 1984 style :lol
- the prison industrial complex which has led to the U.S. having the second highest incarceration rate in the world, with almost 1 in 3 adults having a criminal record. Only the Seychelles, with the smallest population in Africa, has a higher portion of its population in jail.
- racial terrorism and racial inequality in the United States remained a serious challenge,” where “Police killings were reminiscent of the past racial terror of lynching.”
- There was no improvement to the protection of rights of women, children and elders, and the vulnerable groups’ rights were seriously violated.
- “money politics and power-for-money deals had controlled the [2016] presidential election,” resulting in record low turnout and voter alienation
http://www.mintpressnews.com/china-releases-human-rights-report-on-us/225721/
- The report noted that the U.S. air campaigns in Syria and Iraq had killed between 4,568 and 6,127 civilians and that since 2009, its illegal drone program had left 800 dead in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia
- The report closed by saying that the vast domestic and international surveillance network exposed by Edward Snowden, which “drew vast criticism from the international community,” presented a grave threat to privacy rights worldwide
hater
03-09-2017, 02:26 PM
Holy shit 1 in 3 adults has a criminal record :lmao
spurraider21
03-09-2017, 02:29 PM
we can alleviate a lot of our incarceration issues if we reversed our fundamentally flawed approach on drugs...
iirc something like a quarter of our inmates are in there on drug charges, and another 15-20% said they committed their crimes to get drug money
hater
03-09-2017, 02:48 PM
we can alleviate a lot of our incarceration issues if we reversed our fundamentally flawed approach on drugs...
iirc something like a quarter of our inmates are in there on drug charges, and another 15-20% said they committed their crimes to get drug money
Ageed tbqh
US still has 1950s drug laws while other countries have moved on to 21st century
Spurminator
03-09-2017, 03:19 PM
we can alleviate a lot of our incarceration issues if we reversed our fundamentally flawed approach on drugs...
iirc something like a quarter of our inmates are in there on drug charges, and another 15-20% said they committed their crimes to get drug money
All part of the plan.
hater
03-10-2017, 09:08 AM
China goes in raw :wow
“In 2016, money politics and power-for-money deals controlled the presidential election, which was full of lies and farces,” read an annual report released by the China’s State Council Information Office, as cited by Xinhua news agency.
There have been “no guarantees of political rights,” and the election itself, accompanied by large-scale protests, provided “full exposure of the hypocritical nature of US democracy,” the government paper stated.
I dont think China has a leg to stand on the moral high ground game.
hater
03-10-2017, 09:12 AM
I dont think China has a leg to stand on the moral high ground game.
Neither does US apparently
pgardn
03-10-2017, 10:54 AM
Neither does US apparently
I will endure the human rights abuses here since we actually have access to know about them...
Ya big cheesehead. You will lose EVERYTIME with these idiotic comparisons. You would never be even posting on a message board in China because you complain. You get a big woody for totalitarian regimes.
Clipper Nation
03-10-2017, 12:44 PM
:lol China is literally under an authoritarian regime. Their opinion on human rights in America holds about as much weight as North Korea's or Saudi Arabia's would. This "report" is pure propaganda issued by a dictatorship trying to make themselves look good.
Clipper Nation
03-10-2017, 12:51 PM
China goes in raw :wow
“In 2016, money politics and power-for-money deals controlled the presidential election, which was full of lies and farces,” read an annual report released by the China’s State Council Information Office, as cited by Xinhua news agency.
There have been “no guarantees of political rights,” and the election itself, accompanied by large-scale protests, provided “full exposure of the hypocritical nature of US democracy,” the government paper stated.
At least we have elections. China's "elections" are shams that are totally controlled by the Communist Party. All political dissent is banned. Other political parties aren't allowed to exist unless they help the Communist Party stay in power. The few other parties in China that do exist serve as status symbols for well-connected elites, not as true competitors to the Communists.
I'll take messy politics any day of the week over a totalitarian regime.
Clipper Nation
03-10-2017, 01:01 PM
This doesnt even include the recent Leak of CIA enslavement 1984 style :lol
Even China realizes how hypocritical it would be to include that in their report. After all, their surveillance state makes ours look like nothing:
http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21711902-worrying-implications-its-social-credit-project-china-invents-digital-totalitarian
- the prison industrial complex which has led to the U.S. having the second highest incarceration rate in the world, with almost 1 in 3 adults having a criminal record. Only the Seychelles, with the smallest population in Africa, has a higher portion of its population in jail.
If you really think China is being honest about how many people they've jailed, you're gullible to say the least.
- racial terrorism and racial inequality in the United States remained a serious challenge,” where “Police killings were reminiscent of the past racial terror of lynching.”
China is as racist as it gets and always has been:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_China
- There was no improvement to the protection of rights of women, children and elders, and the vulnerable groups’ rights were seriously violated.
China needs to start treating their own vulnerable groups like human beings before criticizing anyone else:
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/china-and-tibet
- The report noted that the U.S. air campaigns in Syria and Iraq had killed between 4,568 and 6,127 civilians and that since 2009, its illegal drone program had left 800 dead in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia
That's a drop in the bucket compared to Mao killing 45 million of his own country's civilians through the Great Leap Forward:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/maos-great-leap-forward-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html
- The report closed by saying that the vast domestic and international surveillance network exposed by Edward Snowden, which “drew vast criticism from the international community,” presented a grave threat to privacy rights worldwide
Again, China's surveillance state goes beyond the worst dystopia that Orwell or Huxley could ever conjure up.
hater
03-10-2017, 01:59 PM
Agree but still funny the way China exposes Us hypocrisy tbqh
SpursforSix
03-10-2017, 03:26 PM
Agree but still funny the way China exposes Us hypocrisy tbqh
I'm not sure what that means. China has some very harsh drug laws.
Clipper Nation
03-10-2017, 03:41 PM
Agree but still funny the way China exposes Us hypocrisy tbqh
But they aren't. The US is far from perfect and has issues, and we actually acknowledge them instead of trying to censor them. But even with our flaws, we're still a free country. We're so advanced on human rights compared to most of the world that our current human rights issues revolve around first-world problems like transgender bathrooms. Meanwhile, in China, practicing a religion that isn't state-approved or advocating for basic women's rights can get you thrown in jail.
China isn't exposing any hypocrisy besides their own. They're throwing rocks from a glass house.
Rust Cohle
03-10-2017, 04:34 PM
Agree but still funny the way China exposes Us hypocrisy tbqh
You have to be legally retarded to come to this conclusion. Which means getting abandoned in the woods by your family if you lived in China. So thank your lucky retard stars you live in the US.
hater
03-10-2017, 05:05 PM
You have to be legally retarded to come to this conclusion. Which means getting abandoned in the woods by your family if you lived in China. So thank your lucky retard stars you live in the US.
I been to China many times. Got business there. Its not the Communist slave county your media paints it to be ya inbred.
Rust Cohle
03-10-2017, 05:09 PM
I been to China many times. Got business there. Its not the Communist slave county your media paints it to be ya inbred.
You can barely type semi-coherent messages on a Spurs fan forum, so I'm gonna call bullshit on you being some hotshot businessman that's closing deals with the Chinks.
hater
03-10-2017, 05:14 PM
We're so advanced on human rights compared to most of the world that our current human rights issues
the fact that you say this with a straight face makes the hypocrisy hilarious :lol
6,000 dead civilians in Iraq and Syria and 800+ droned civilians by a country so advanced in human rights :lmao
hater
03-10-2017, 05:15 PM
You can barely type semi-coherent messages on a Spurs fan forum, so I'm gonna call bullshit on you being some hotshot businessman that's closing deals with the Chinks.
Thats fine by me ya inbred
Clipper Nation
03-10-2017, 05:18 PM
the fact that you say this with a straight face makes the hypocrisy hilarious :lol
6,000 dead civilians in Iraq and Syria and 800+ droned civilians by a country so advanced in human rights :lmao
Our out-of-control foreign policy pales in comparison to the atrocities that China has committed.
hater
03-10-2017, 05:23 PM
Our out-of-control foreign policy pales in comparison to the atrocities that China has committed.
sure but we are talking about recent times.
CN destroyed this thread tbh. Excellently articulated man.
hater
03-10-2017, 05:57 PM
CN destroyed this thread tbh. Excellently articulated man.
One of the worst cheerleading jobs in recent times
One of the worst cheerleading jobs in recent times
Says the CPC mouthpiece :blah
hater
03-10-2017, 09:48 PM
Says the CPC mouthpiece :blah
Truth hurts I see....
we can alleviate a lot of our incarceration issues if we reversed our fundamentally flawed approach on drugs...
iirc something like a quarter of our inmates are in there on drug charges, and another 15-20% said they committed their crimes to get drug money
Flawed thinking. If the penalty was soft there'd be no money in it. Then these folks would find other, more severe avenues to make money off the grid. Some wouldn't and "possession" should be legal, but you can't even legally sell tobacco off the books.
At least we have elections. China's "elections" are shams that are totally controlled by the Communist Party. All political dissent is banned. Other political parties aren't allowed to exist unless they help the Communist Party stay in power. The few other parties in China that do exist serve as status symbols for well-connected elites, not as true competitors to the Communists.
I'll take messy politics any day of the week over a totalitarian regime.
China has erections, which explains why Dale left.
I been to China many times. Got business there. Its not the Communist slave county your media paints it to be ya inbred.
Sally Struthers has been to Ethiopia, she remained fat. You didn't live in China, you weren't a citizen. You have no idea how it is there.
spurraider21
03-11-2017, 03:58 AM
Flawed thinking. If the penalty was soft there'd be no money in it. Then these folks would find other, more severe avenues to make money off the grid. Some wouldn't and "possession" should be legal, but you can't even legally sell tobacco off the books.
i wonder why there isn't a huge black market in the US for tobacco that leads to gang shootings and incrimination
http://emojipedia-us.s3.amazonaws.com/cache/dd/59/dd5996c7bc36801d5dc054d1af1ecf1d.png
hater
03-11-2017, 07:25 AM
Sally Struthers has been to Ethiopia, she remained fat. You didn't live in China, you weren't a citizen. You have no idea how it is there.
You dont have to become chinese to have a decent idea tbqh
Truth hurts I see....
Time to give this one up. You have been utterly thoroughly destroyed in this thread.
hater
03-11-2017, 07:50 AM
Time to give this one up. You have been utterly thoroughly destroyed in this thread.
Well you would know about getting utterly destroyed as thats a daily occurrence for you :lmao
But Im gonna disagree this time. Still funny to see China exposing US hypocrisy :lmao
Well you would know about getting utterly destroyed as thats a daily occurrence for you :lmao
But Im gonna disagree this time. Still funny to see China exposing US hypocrisy :lmao
You're imploding.
i wonder why there isn't a huge black market in the US for tobacco that leads to gang shootings and incrimination
http://emojipedia-us.s3.amazonaws.com/cache/dd/59/dd5996c7bc36801d5dc054d1af1ecf1d.png
You missed the point in your attempt to be clever.
During prohibition the gangs made money by bootlegging liquor. After the end of prohibition those gangs moved on to other illegal substances. If you legalize or reduce the penalties for illegal substances, you increase the supply therefore reducing the profit enough to cause enterprising gangs to look elsewhere for high profit business.
also
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/09/23/the-rise-of-illicit-tobacco/#614e11573f56
Well you would know about getting utterly destroyed as thats a daily occurrence for you :lmao
But Im gonna disagree this time. Still funny to see China exposing US hypocrisy :lmao
China is being hypocritical, so how can hypocrisy expose hypocrisy?
spurraider21
03-11-2017, 02:26 PM
You missed the point in your attempt to be clever.
During prohibition the gangs made money by bootlegging liquor. After the end of prohibition those gangs moved on to other illegal substances. If you legalize or reduce the penalties for illegal substances, you increase the supply therefore reducing the profit enough to cause enterprising gangs to look elsewhere for high profit business.
also
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/09/23/the-rise-of-illicit-tobacco/#614e11573f56yes, which is why constantly criminalizing drugs/substances is an approach that is doomed to fail
hater
03-11-2017, 04:00 PM
China is being hypocritical, so how can hypocrisy expose hypocrisy?
Easy. China is always example #1 when an american speaks about a totalitarian state. The fact that this totalitarian state makes a yearly Human Rights Report that is 100% spot on on US is great and exposes US hypocrisy. And is hilarious :lol
Trump said it himself, "we're not so innocent".
Clipper Nation
03-11-2017, 07:29 PM
Trump said it himself, "we're not so innocent".
We aren't, but next to China, we look like the most innocent country in the world.
pgardn
03-11-2017, 07:52 PM
I been to China many times. Got business there. Its not the Communist slave county your media paints it to be ya inbred.
"I know China"
Business there...
B fn S.
pgardn
03-11-2017, 07:53 PM
We aren't, but next to Russia, we look like the most innocent country in the world.
yes, which is why constantly criminalizing drugs/substances is an approach that is doomed to fail
You're not using the word "criminalizing" correctly. The drugs are illegal, they aren't criminalized. Criminalizing is something you do to the act of using or selling drugs. The drugs themselves are simply banned.
Assume for sake of arguendo that no drugs were illegal so there was no money to be made smuggling and distributing them under the radar/off the grid. Where would the easy money be then? I'm sure you can think of a few things, like prostitution (hey, legalize that too), stolen cars (legalize stealing cars), chop shops with stolen auto parts (legalize that as well). So we legalize everthing, no one is breaking the law. Now we have no in in jail and you cannot have a society of normal day to day life. That's the extreme, but you seem to think if you just legalize the soft stuff that the same people wouldn't look for the next quick score.
The answer isn't to stop putting Jr in timeout when he acts out. It's to make a stiffer penalty. We wring our hands too much trying to rehab career criminals. Do what China did to theirs.
Easy. China is always example #1 when an american speaks about a totalitarian state. The fact that this totalitarian state makes a yearly Human Rights Report that is 100% spot on on US is great and exposes US hypocrisy. And is hilarious :lol
Why would China need to make a report if you have all the facts? You can grade it by saying it's 100% spot on, yet what do you know about any of it?
You're simply misled, you know it and you're pot committed to staying the course on this trainwreck of a claim.
Easy. China is always example #1 when an american speaks about a totalitarian state. The fact that this totalitarian state makes a yearly Human Rights Report that is 100% spot on on US is great and exposes US hypocrisy. And is hilarious :lol
Are you even American? Are you Russian?
spurraider21
03-12-2017, 04:32 AM
You're not using the word "criminalizing" correctly. The drugs are illegal, they aren't criminalized. Criminalizing is something you do to the act of using or selling drugs. The drugs themselves are simply banned.
Assume for sake of arguendo that no drugs were illegal so there was no money to be made smuggling and distributing them under the radar/off the grid. Where would the easy money be then? I'm sure you can think of a few things, like prostitution (hey, legalize that too), stolen cars (legalize stealing cars), chop shops with stolen auto parts (legalize that as well). So we legalize everthing, no one is breaking the law. Now we have no in in jail and you cannot have a society of normal day to day life. That's the extreme, but you seem to think if you just legalize the soft stuff that the same people wouldn't look for the next quick score.
The answer isn't to stop putting Jr in timeout when he acts out. It's to make a stiffer penalty. We wring our hands too much trying to rehab career criminals. Do what China did to theirs.yeah, yeah... slippery slope, etc
unleashbaynes
03-12-2017, 08:03 AM
That's no way to talk about us after we saved them from the Japs tbh
Th'Pusher
03-12-2017, 08:59 AM
yeah, yeah... slippery slope, etc
Don't let him off the hook that easily counselor. He has a critical flaw in his argument in that he is only focusing on the distribution side.
hater
03-12-2017, 10:23 AM
Why would China need to make a report if you have all the facts? You can grade it by saying it's 100% spot on, yet what do you know about any of it?
You're simply misled, you know it and you're pot committed to staying the course on this trainwreck of a claim.
I read the report. Its 100% spot on. Thats what makes this funny :lol
hater
03-12-2017, 10:23 AM
Are you even American? Are you Russian?
Are you one of those retards that believe the Russian boogeyman Bullshit??
I read the report. Its 100% spot on. Thats what makes this funny :lol
So circular reasoning is your solution to this conundrum? How do you know it's "spot on"? If it's something you can know that well as a lay person, what's so impressive about China saying it?
hater
03-12-2017, 12:14 PM
So circular reasoning is your solution to this conundrum? How do you know it's "spot on"? If it's something you can know that well as a lay person, what's so impressive about China saying it?
Did you read the report? What parts in it are you having issues with?
Did you read the report? What parts in it are you having issues with?
I've having issues with the fact you think it's 100% accurate. If it's intuitive, China didn't reveal anything. China was basically giving an opinion based on news reports. The research done into the factuality of those reports seems lacking on China's part, and on yours to be quite frank.
Don't let him off the hook that easily counselor. He has a critical flaw in his argument in that he is only focusing on the distribution side.
Of course. I said earlier that possession for personal use should be treated differently. No one should be locked up for being an addict. Distribution should be punished. I think weed should be totally legal, you should be allowed to grow it like you could grow vegetables and smoke it all day if you want. You can make your own beer and get as drunk as you want, legally. Why not weed? I don't think crystal meth, cocaine and heroin should be legal simply because of the negative effect they have on our society and economy (coke being the lesser evil of the three imo). I think making and selling these things is akin to people doing surgeries without a license to practice medicine - sure the end user could just walk away but cheap procedures are too attractive for that, so you end up with botched procedures and unregulated products entering into the mix, then the taxpayer has to foot the bill for the fall out.
You look at pharmacy, they spend billions to get a drug through the FDA, because it's required before they can do high volume marketing (some non approved drugs can still be sold using the interstate commerce clause, at smaller levels). There's a reason for that, and it's not all driven by the need for federal revenue. The cost/benefit of drug regulation is weighted more heavily on the benefit side as long as we don't let social dogma and religion decide the right course of action. We should use statistics and sound reasoning when making laws (enforcing laws should not even be in question).
So yes, I did address the end user.
hater
03-12-2017, 01:54 PM
I've having issues with the fact you think it's 100% accurate. If it's intuitive, China didn't reveal anything. China was basically giving an opinion based on news reports. The research done into the factuality of those reports seems lacking on China's part, and on yours to be quite frank.
So you didnt read the report. I suggest you read it before proceeding further with this nonsense.
So you didnt read the report. I suggest you read it before proceeding further with this nonsense.
Still waiting for you to tell me how you know it's 100% accurate. A report cannot be validated against itself. Reading it or not reading it doesn't change that.
Btw, I did read it. It's rife with references to articles from the Washington post and other news agencies. If it's being reported by our media, how did they expose anything? Show me Chinese media reporting on the atrocities committed by their government.
I realize you're trying to troll but you're doing a poor job of it. No one believes China has any moral high ground and no one wishes to expose human rights violations in the US more than the US media who profits from that exposure. Just another way that capitalism promotes freedom.
hater
03-12-2017, 02:38 PM
Btw, I did read it. It's rife with references to articles from the Washington post and other news agencies. If it's being reported by our media, how did they expose anything? Show me Chinese media reporting on the atrocities committed by their government.
Give 3 examples of this. Otherwise you didnt read the report and are doing a piss poor troll job
Th'Pusher
03-12-2017, 02:52 PM
So yes, I did address the end user.
Sorry. I missed it beneath all of your law and order punitive buulshit. Drug use is a demand problem, not a supply problem.
spurraider21
03-12-2017, 03:04 PM
Sorry. I missed it beneath all of your law and order punitive buulshit. Drug use is a demand problem, not a supply problem.no, because according do dmc, if you legalize drugs, all the 18 year old drug dealers will move on to soliciting prostitution and grand theft auto
Give 3 examples of this. Otherwise you didnt read the report and are doing a piss poor troll job
Alabama's prisons now housed 28,000 prisoners, more than doubling the designed capacity. The health of inmates cannot be safeguarded and infectious diseases including tuberculosis and dermatosis were easily transmitted from one to another. (apr.org, December 16, 2016) The website of Washington Post reported on November 28, 2016 that two policemen were imprisoned for beating a mentally-ill inmate and forging records to cover up their prisoner abuse (www.washingtonpost.com, November 28, 2016). According to a report of the Washington Post website on December 19, 2016, guards at the Los Angeles County Sherriff's Department had beaten and abused in mates. Its former head thwarted a federal investigation into the beatings and other abuses at the Los Angeles County jail system he ran. The probe led to convictions of 20 members of the Sheriff's department (www.washingtonpost.com, December 19, 2016). The Washington Post reported on its website on December 2, 2016 that a guard at New York City's jail complex Rikers Island "savagely" kicked an ailing inmate to death (www.washingtonpost.com, December 2, 2016).
:lol
no, because according do dmc, if you legalize drugs, all the 18 year old drug dealers will move on to soliciting prostitution and grand theft auto
Strawman argument
Let me try: According to Philo, legalizing anything illegal will make hardened criminals suddenly become productive citizens.
spurraider21
03-12-2017, 04:07 PM
Strawman argument
Let me try: According to Philo, legalizing anything illegal will make hardened criminals suddenly become productive citizens.talk about a strawman...
it was in your post... if we make drugs legal, where will the easy money be, prostitution and stealing cars/chop shops
btw, the "hypocrisy" document contains 17 references to washingtonpost.com.
talk about a strawman...
it was in your post... if we make drugs legal, where will the easy money be, prostitution and stealing cars/chop shops
Now you're moving goalposts. You're trying for the grand slam in debate fallacy Philo.
How does your statement above jive with this one:
"18 year old drug dealers will move on to soliciting prostitution and grand theft auto"
spurraider21
03-12-2017, 04:12 PM
Now you're moving goalposts. You're trying for the grand slam in debate fallacy Philo.
How does your statement above jive with this one:
"18 year old drug dealers will move on to soliciting prostitution and grand theft auto"
oh, so you brought up where the easy money will be, but weren't making the implication that people would actually move on to those things? got it :tu
my bad
Sorry. I missed it beneath all of your law and order punitive buulshit. Drug use is a demand problem, not a supply problem.
You're too stupid to read before posting.
You cannot police demand.
oh, so you brought up where the easy money will be, but weren't making the implication that people would actually move on to those things? got it :tu
my bad
You quote me after saying something I didn't even infer as if they were one and the same. If you had a leg to stand on you'd not try those kindergarten debate tactics with me.
Do you think the prison problem is because too many 18 year old drug dealers are incarcerated? What about 19 year old ones? What's the age limit where it's ok, or do you wish to stick with appeal to emotion?
Th'Pusher
03-12-2017, 04:20 PM
You're too stupid to read before posting.
You cannot police demand.
So? Does everything have to be accomplished through policing.
So? Does everything have to be accomplished through policing.
The "just say no" program worked wonders. :lol
Funny, when guns are discussed liberals scream about supply. When it's drugs liberals scream about demand. Dude gets a gun at a gunshow and liberals want to close the gunshow loophole, never addressing the demand for the guns. They want to ban the sale of this or that, never once addressing the demand. Mention drugs and they want to focus on demand, as if that's easier to solve than demand for guns.
:lol fucking liberals
spurraider21
03-12-2017, 04:29 PM
The "just say no" program worked wonders. :lol
Funny, when guns are discussed liberals scream about supply. When it's drugs liberals scream about demand. Dude gets a gun at a gunshow and liberals want to close the gunshow loophole, never addressing the demand for the guns. They want to ban the sale of this or that, never once addressing the demand. Mention drugs and they want to focus on demand, as if that's easier to solve than demand for guns.
:lol fucking liberalsfalse equivalence. when talking about drug legalization, i'm sure most liberals you talk to would be in favor of strict control and regulation. if the equivalence was "yeah let people buy crack cocaine over the counter" then you'd have a leg to stand on
false equivalence. when talking about drug legalization, i'm sure most liberals you talk to would be in favor of strict control and regulation. if the equivalence was "yeah let people buy crack cocaine over the counter" then you'd have a leg to stand on
Th'Pussy just said it was a demand problem, not a supply problem. It doesn't matter your drug of choice. Strict control and regulation isn't the same as a ban. Do you think Th'Pussy was saying that demand should be regulated and controlled?
Philo, always with the sideways approach, trying to hedge.
spurraider21
03-12-2017, 04:33 PM
Th'Pussy just said it was a demand problem, not a supply problem. It doesn't matter your drug of choice. Strict control and regulation isn't the same as a ban. Philo, always with the sideways approach, trying to hedge.yes, and the anti-gun people you refer to, at least on this forum, are in favor of strict control and regulation on guns, not a blanket ban. same approach with drugs. it's consistent.
but you're just so anxious to go "lol libcucks" that you gloss over it
yes, and the anti-gun people you refer to, at least on this forum, are in favor of strict control and regulation on guns, not a blanket ban. same approach with drugs
But the problem is demand, so you want to control and regulate demand? Good luck with that.
Th'Pusher
03-12-2017, 04:51 PM
But the problem is demand, so you want to control and regulate demand? Good luck with that.
Yeah. It's not like there are any examples of regulating controlled substances :rolleyes
Yeah. It's not like there are any examples of regulating controlled substances :rolleyes
You said it was a demand problem. Explain how that could be regulated.
Th'Pusher
03-12-2017, 05:08 PM
You said it was a demand problem. Explain how that could be regulated.
Don't be obtuse you moron, you don't regulate demand. Saying something is a demand problem doesn't imply you regulate demand.
Don't be obtuse you moron, you don't regulate demand. Saying something is a demand problem doesn't imply you regulate demand.
Why regulate supply if it's not a supply problem?
Th'Pusher
03-12-2017, 05:13 PM
Why regulate supply if it's not a supply problem?
That's correct.
yes, and the anti-gun people you refer to, at least on this forum, are in favor of strict control and regulation on guns, not a blanket ban. same approach with drugs. it's consistent.
but you're just so anxious to go "lol libcucks" that you gloss over it
Why regulate supply if it's not a supply problem?
That's correct.
Sounds like you and Philo need to have a meeting.
Th'Pusher
03-12-2017, 05:27 PM
Sounds like you and Philo need to have a meeting.
No need. We're on the same page.
No need. We're on the same page.
Not according to the quotes I just showed you.
Philo: regulate/control drug supply
Th'Pussy: It's not a supply problem
Th'Pusher
03-12-2017, 05:35 PM
Not according to the quotes I just showed you.
Philo: regulate/control drug supply
Th'Pussy: It's not a supply problem
Saying something is a demand problem doesn't mean you dont regulate the supply to address the problem.
Cute name calling tho.
Saying something is a demand problem doesn't mean you dont regulate the supply to address the problem.
Cute name calling tho.
:lol
So why did you say it's a demand problem if you want to address the supply? Remember the policing comment?
:lol
Drug use is a demand problem, not a supply problem.
yes, and the anti-gun people you refer to, at least on this forum, are in favor of strict control and regulation on guns, not a blanket ban. same approach with drugs. it's consistent.
but you're just so anxious to go "lol libcucks" that you gloss over it
Sounds like you and Philo need to have a meeting.
No need. We're on the same page.
Saying something is a demand problem doesn't mean you dont regulate the supply to address the problem.
:lmao
spurraider21
03-12-2017, 06:26 PM
i think i'm missing the funny part
Th'Pusher
03-12-2017, 06:26 PM
Yeah. Real funny :rolleyes
spurraider21
03-12-2017, 06:26 PM
Drug use is a demand problem.
Saying something is a demand problem doesn't mean you dont regulate the supply to address the problem.
i think DMC needs to take his time and understand these two statements
i think DMC needs to take his time and understand these two statements
That's fine if I was saying Th'Pussy was being inconsistent, but I said his take and yours were not aligned. You ignored your comment about controlling the supply.
A: "My kid has a bag of crystal meth, he says he got it from the guy next door, so I'm going to have him arrested"
B: "well the problem is your kid wanted it, not that the guy supplied it"
A: "how do I fix this?"
B: "Have the guy next door arrested"
A: "I thought you just said that wasn't the problem"
B: "No, your kid is the problem, but you can fix your kid by having the guy next door arrested"
See how stupid that is? Don't say the supply isn't the problem then say you need to regulate the supply.
So tell me, Philo, how do you A) regulate the supply without arresting people and B) how does regulating the supply fix the demand issue unless you're flooding the market with drugs?
You two are really between a rock and a hard place now. The compelling evidence of that is in your responses, I didn't have to say anything.
spurraider21
03-12-2017, 07:37 PM
A) how many people nowadays get arrested for illegally supplying alcohol? it's a non-existant problem when it is legalized, even if it is controlled and regulated
B) the demand problem is not likely to be fixed by any sort of regulation. you can't pass a law that says "you aren't allowed to desire marijuana." the better way to get people out of self destructive drug habits is through education and rehabilitation, rather than finding a crackhead and throwing him in a cell for a few years
the purpose behind decriminalizing drugs isn't to pretend like the problem doesn't exist (in response to your "legalize everything so there's no more crime lulz" point). it's to get rid of a stupid prohibition system that fosters the growth of street crime and violence.
the root problem isn't going to be solved with regulation, but we can at least remove some of the stupid side effects caused by our current approach to tackling the problem
A) how many people nowadays get arrested for illegally supplying alcohol? it's a non-existant problem when it is legalized, even if it is controlled and regulated
B) the demand problem is not likely to be fixed by any sort of regulation. you can't pass a law that says "you aren't allowed to desire marijuana." the better way to get people out of self destructive drug habits is through education and rehabilitation, rather than finding a crackhead and throwing him in a cell for a few years
the purpose behind decriminalizing drugs isn't to pretend like the problem doesn't exist (in response to your "legalize everything so there's no more crime lulz" point). it's to get rid of a stupid prohibition system that fosters the growth of street crime and violence.
the root problem isn't going to be solved with regulation, but we can at least remove some of the stupid side effects caused by our current approach to tackling the problem
You didn't answer either question.
Explain how regulating the supply will address the demand or just say it won't. We both know the answer.
Then explain how regulation of the supply was even suggested as some sort of demand fix.
If you two would stop trying to win and talk like you got some fucking sense this shit could be over in just a couple posts.
spurraider21
03-12-2017, 07:57 PM
You didn't answer either question.
Explain how regulating the supply will address the demand.i never made that claim. the root problem is certainly a demand problem. that isn't going to be solved with regulation, imo, and certainly not with criminalization.
we can however, regulate the supply which can at least remove some of the side effects that have been fostered by our current flawed attempt at solving the root problem
i never made that claim
You supported it. Now you're being a pussy.
spurraider21
03-12-2017, 07:59 PM
You supported it. Now you're being a pussy.no. you just create false dichotomies and then mock people for not picking one of the sides you've presented
Th'Pusher
03-12-2017, 08:00 PM
You supported it. Now you're being a pussy.
Nobody said regulating supply will address demand.
Th'Pusher
03-12-2017, 08:01 PM
no. you just create false dichotomies and then mock people for not picking one of the sides you've presented
Yep
no. you just create false dichotomies and then mock people for not picking one of the sides you've presented
Saying something is a demand problem doesn't mean you dont regulate the supply to address the problem.
How is this any different than this:
"Explain how regulating the supply will address the demand." -me
Nobody said regulating supply will address demand.
Saying something is a demand problem doesn't mean you dont regulate the supply to address the problem.
Cute name calling tho.
no. you just create false dichotomies and then mock people for not picking one of the sides you've presented
I'd be shocked if you ever took a position on anything. You always look for a way to weasel out of some support or shade you throw.
hater
03-12-2017, 08:07 PM
Alabama's prisons now housed 28,000 prisoners, more than doubling the designed capacity. The health of inmates cannot be safeguarded and infectious diseases including tuberculosis and dermatosis were easily transmitted from one to another. (apr.org, December 16, 2016) The website of Washington Post reported on November 28, 2016 that two policemen were imprisoned for beating a mentally-ill inmate and forging records to cover up their prisoner abuse (www.washingtonpost.com, November 28, 2016). According to a report of the Washington Post website on December 19, 2016, guards at the Los Angeles County Sherriff's Department had beaten and abused in mates. Its former head thwarted a federal investigation into the beatings and other abuses at the Los Angeles County jail system he ran. The probe led to convictions of 20 members of the Sheriff's department (www.washingtonpost.com, December 19, 2016). The Washington Post reported on its website on December 2, 2016 that a guard at New York City's jail complex Rikers Island "savagely" kicked an ailing inmate to death (www.washingtonpost.com, December 2, 2016).
:lol
Thanks man I will analize this and respond. Good shit :tu
spurraider21
03-12-2017, 08:07 PM
I'd be shocked if you ever took a position on anything. You always look for a way to weasel out of some support or shade you throw.this bullshit again. i've laid out my position on this issue very firmly in this thread, and you cover your ears, go "la la la i'm not listening" and then say "you didn't take a position"
i'm not going to sit and argue with you about whether or not i've taken a position when it's been articulated in this very thread
Thanks man I will analize this and respond. Good shit :tu
:lol fuck off, you haven't even read the report. It's nothing but a compilation of news articles.
:lol 100% factual
spurraider21
03-12-2017, 08:10 PM
i will concede that i haven't taken a position specific to the false dichotomy you've created
this bullshit again. i've laid out my position on this issue very firmly in this thread, and you cover your ears, go "la la la i'm not listening" and then say "you didn't take a position"
i'm not going to sit and argue with you about whether or not i've taken a position when it's been articulated in this very thread
:lol Philo, quoting Th'Pussy in a support gesture then using the "I didn't say it" defense. So because you didn't say it (but you quoted it) it's not your position?
:lol Phorever Philo
i will concede that i haven't taken a position specific to the false dichotomy you've created
Did Th"Pusher not suggest regulating the supply to address the demand?
Did you not quote that and say I need to read it more carefully, no doubt going for the plebe law student "drug use, not drug problem" angle?
Th'Pusher
03-12-2017, 08:17 PM
How is this any different than this:
"Explain how regulating the supply will address the demand." -me
Poor wording on my part. The point is, people use drugs because they want to, then need to. We have a model for leagalized drug which includes regulation.
^ this was all a result of chasing your liberals/guns/regulation false equivalence. It's totally irrelevant to the initial point, which was to reduce incarceration rates by addressing the way we treat drugs and drug users.
hater
03-12-2017, 08:17 PM
:lol fuck off, you haven't even read the report. It's nothing but a compilation of news articles.
:lol 100% factual
Im at a bar with a few shots on me nigga :lol
I promise il respond cheers :lol
Im at a bar with a few shots on me nigga :lol
I promise il respond cheers :lol
:lol checks ST from a bar
:lol business with China
Poor wording on my part. The point is, people use drugs because they want to, then need to. We have a model for leagalized drug which includes regulation.
^ this was all a result of chasing your liberals/guns/regulation false equivalence. It's totally irrelevant to the initial point, which was to reduce incarceration rates by addressing the way we treat drugs and drug users.
If you're going to admit you fucked up, don't try to apply a caveat of "you made me do it". I didn't make you say and defend stupid shit. I didn't make Philo defend it either. You can see it doesn't make any sense now, but still you both defended it on and on.
The real problem isn't supply or demand. The real problem is the effect drug use has on people and society. The way to mitigate that though involves hard choices, like isolationist policies against users and abusers. If you're going to legalize a harmful substance where you already have a high percentage of the user population addicted, then you better be ready to deal with the consequences. The only thing keeping some people from going off the chain is the difficult of acquiring the product. Look at how many alcoholics there are. Compare that to how many meth heads you know, or coke heads, or pot heads. We all know some pot heads, but you know a hell of a lot more alcoholics. What's the number one cause of traffic fatalities?
I don't care if they legalize all of it and let people kill themselves. I've said as much, but the "drug abuse" problem isn't going to be salved by reducing the amount of legal attention it gets. Prison population would just be on the street instead.
hater
03-12-2017, 10:01 PM
:lol checks ST from a bar
:lol business with China
Yup where u checkiing St from? Ur moms pussy? :lmao
spurraider21
03-12-2017, 10:04 PM
Yup where u checkiing St from? Ur moms pussy? :lmao
:wow
Yup where u checkiing St from? Ur moms pussy? :lmao
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