Game Thread: 3/13 Spurs vs. Hawks 7:00 PM CST (8:00 PM EST, 3:00 AM Riga Time)

[Ron Swanson]

LDN with the Wing Stop flashback.

[TampaDude]

Green sez GTFO!

[GSH]

LDN!

[Eggeye]

#1 seed :flag:

[TampaDude]

These refs, I swear...

[TheGreatYacht]

These referees make $150,000-500,000/ year :lmao

[sasaint]

:lmao Mills being pressured just like I said. Then it leads to a TO because Pau has to come screen for Mills.

That's why he's not a starting PG.

[DAF86]

:lmao Mills being pressured just like I said. Then it leads to a TO because Pau has to come screen for Mills.

Shut the fuck up. :lol Mills handled the pressure just fine and the refs screwed us like in the rest of the night.

[loveforthegame]

:lol

[r0drig0lac]

Green 4-5 3pt...niiiiceee

[mclinejr]

The fix is in :lol

[TampaDude]

Another false goaltending. SMFH.

[GSH]

I'm surprise they called that foul on Bazemore instead of Kawhi.

[DAF86]

:lol You not watching bruh

One play on desperation time with the game already out of reach. When was the pressure the rest of the quarter, tbh? :lol

[DPG21920]

Shut the fuck up. :lol Mills handled the pressure just fine and the refs screwed us like in the rest of the night.

:lmao now shifting the argument. He did OK (not great) but you said they would not pressure because Kawhi was not getting pressured. I flat out TOLD you what would happen and WHY Kawhi was handling the ball. Now you want to shift the argument.

Classic DAF

[TampaDude]

MVP!!!

[140]

:lmao Mills being pressured just like I said. Then it leads to a TO because Pau has to come screen for Mills.
:lol Mills had already handled the pressure, there was no need for that screen

[GSH]

These referees make $150,000-500,000/ year :lmao


LOL. Yeah, but you know they feel like DEA agents who see people carrying suitcases full of money.

[DPG21920]

It's ok to be wrong DAF. Literally most people but you know what is going on and it's not a knock on Mills. It's just who he is.

[DAF86]

Kawhi choked his 30 pts game.

[Uriel]

They fucked up the other goaltending call. The least they could do was give us this one.

[GSH]

Shut the fuck up. :lol Mills handled the pressure just fine and the refs screwed us like in the rest of the night.


:lmao now shifting the argument. He did OK (not great) but you said they would not pressure because Kawhi was not getting pressured. I flat out TOLD you what would happen and WHY Kawhi was handling the ball. Now you want to shift the argument.

Classic DAF


Heh. Well this argument will still be raging at midnight. :lol

[NASpurs]

Just 15 and 9 for MVPatty :hat

[DPG21920]

:lol Mills had already handled the pressure, there was no need for that screen

Again, it's the fact he will be pressured by other teams bringing the ball up because they know he struggles. You don't see that with Kawhi or TP because teams know it's pointless. Whether or not Mills handled the pressure that one time ok was not the point of the entire question.

He asked why Kawhi was brining the ball up and not seeing pressure. I explained it's because there is no TP and Kawhi is the best option.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kawhi pissed at Manu for not giving him them free points :lol

[100%duncan]

Kawhi pissed at Manu for not giving him them free points :lol

:lmao

[DAF86]

It's ok to be wrong DAF. Literally most people but you know what is going on and it's not a knock on Mills. It's just who he is.

Where was the lack of respect pressure on Mills for the quarter son? If there was Patty must have handled it fine 'cause we run ths offense just fine at the end. :lol

[GSH]

Kawhi choked his 30 pts game.


Two missed FT's. Those regular season records don't mean anything, but I still would have liked to see him get it. There were a lot of shots tonight that he usually makes. A few looked like they were down and rattled out.

[TampaDude]

We're on the 2 wire. Need a bucket to seal it. Not quite over yet.

[Ron Swanson]

Just 15 and 9 for MVPatty :hat

He had 10 assists the other night. :toast

[spursistan]

We are the worst ATO plays defense in the league.. .

[DPG21920]

Ok DAF. You win. You were totally correct and even though I called what would happen I was wrong. Congrats.

[SupremeGuy]

Why didn't Manu pass it in to Kawhi? He had his man blocked off. Plenty of room.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Spurs haven't lost at home to the Hawks this century. :flag:

[dabom]

Patty Mills 9 assists zero turnovers. "Pressure" :lmao

[GSH]

This team is SO much more dangerous when Danny Green is knocking down 3's.

[140]

Again, it's the fact he will be pressured by other teams bringing the ball up because they know he struggles. You don't see that with Kawhi or TP because teams know it's pointless. Whether or not Mills handled the pressure that one time ok was not the point of the entire question.

He asked why Kawhi was brining the ball up and not seeing pressure. I explained it's because there is no TP and Kawhi is the best option.
:lol they pressured Kawhi the very next possession tbh

[SupremeGuy]

lol cawks don't want to give up

[DAF86]

:lmao now shifting the argument. He did OK (not great) but you said they would not pressure because Kawhi was not getting pressured. I flat out TOLD you what would happen and WHY Kawhi was handling the ball. Now you want to shift the argument.

Classic DAF

Except it didn't happened at all except for that one play where Mills handled it just fine. :lol

[sasaint]

Why didn't Manu pass it in to Kawhi? He had his man blocked off. Plenty of room.

I thought so, too. Puzzler.

[GSH]

Kawhi choked his 30 pts game.


Two missed FT's. Those regular season records don't mean anything, but I still would have liked to see him get it. There were a lot of shots tonight that he usually makes. A few looked like they were down and rattled out.


We spoke too soon. Nice. :tu

[140]

Patty Mills 9 assists zero turnovers. "Pressure" :lmao
:lol

[DAF86]

:lol they pressured Kawhi the very next possession tbh

:lol

:cry "B... But the respect" :cry

[loveforthegame]

Leonard trying to escape. :lol

[TampaDude]

GOAT! Spurs win!

GO SPURS GO!!!!!

[SPURt]

What the hell kind of MVP discussion is going on with these guys?

[DAF86]

We spoke too soon. Nice. :tu

:tu gotta pad those MVP numbers.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Held 'em under 100 :toast

[SAGirl]

:flag:

[sasaint]

Kawhi is back. Spurs win. All good!


:flag: :flag: :flag:

[dabom]

:lol

:cry "B... But the respect" :cry

Haters ready to jump on that shit quick. :lol

[Keepin' it real]

Ooh, now the main event: Lakers v. Nuggets!

[Uriel]

1 seed!!!!!

:danceclub

[DPG21920]

:lol they pressured Kawhi the very next possession tbh

Kawhi brought it up the entire time outside of 30 seconds at the end not pressured. Mills gets pressured, not in just this game, but pretty much all games. He was also pressured immediately when he had it the entire time the first chance he brought it up with more time on the clock.

I don't know how people are arguing with me on this.

[r0drig0lac]

first seed as usual

[DPG21920]

:lol they pressured Kawhi the very next possession tbh


Except it didn't happened at all except for that one play where Mills handled it just fine. :lol

Going in circles. You changed your argument to how he handled it vs WHY Kawhi was bringing it up the entire game with no pressure (to which I explained why).

You got butthurt because you didn't like the reason although it's 100% true and not just in this game.

[spursistan]

Two games vs Atlanta this year that Bud refuses to go midcourt to embrace Pop at the end while the latter was kinda waiting for it ..:stirpot:

[GSH]

Haters ready to jump on that shit quick. :lol

LOL... man, somebody's got a bad case of the red-ass. :lol

It was a 2 possession game with plenty of time left on the clock. And you're calling "stat-padding" because Kawhi gets fouled and shoots FT's? Dayum.

[dabom]

LOL... man, somebody's got a bad case of the red-ass. :lol

It was a 2 possession game with plenty of time left on the clock. And you're calling "stat-padding" because Kawhi gets fouled and shoots FT's? Dayum.

Wrong person brah. :tu

[140]

Going in circles. You changed your argument to how he handled it vs WHY Kawhi was bringing it up the entire game with no pressure (to which I explained why).

You got butthurt because you didn't like the reason although it's 100% true and not just in this game.
Kawhi is the spurs main playmaker. It makes sense for him to bring up the ball. It has nothing to do with Patty's ability to handle pressure (which is fine, btw) :lol

[GSH]

Wrong person brah. :tu


LOL. How in the hell did that happen? I'm having a Patty Mills night. Can't handle the pressure. :lol

[SAGirl]

Danny picked a good game to go off. His efficiency in this game was necessary... Hopefully he's got it going rest of the way...

[cjw]

first seed as usual

Death
Spurs
Taxes

[GSH]

Death
Spurs
Taxes

How long has it been since the Spurs had the best record in the league at this point in the season? They're always near the top, but it's been a while since they were in this position.

[DAF86]

Going in circles. You changed your argument to how he handled it vs WHY Kawhi was bringing it up the entire game with no pressure (to which I explained why).

You got butthurt because you didn't like the reason although it's 100% true and not just in this game.

I didn't change shit. I'm telling you the Hawks didn't pressure Patty all game long, except for that last play in which anybody else would have been pressured too, proven by the fact that Kawhi got pressured the immediate next possession.

[DPG21920]

:lol they pressured Kawhi the very next possession tbh


Kawhi is the spurs main playmaker. It makes sense for him to bring up the ball. It has nothing to do with Patty's ability to handle pressure (which is fine, btw) :lol

No - it's not. It's been exposed numerous times. He played a great game (outside of his shooting for most of the game) tonight but that does not change everything we have seen before this regarding his ability to bring the ball up and initiate offense and teams pressuring him at an abnormal rate when he does.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

How long has it been since the Spurs had the best record in the league at this point in the season? They're always near the top, but it's been a while since they were in this position.


2011-12 season :toast

[DPG21920]

I didn't change shit. I'm telling you the Hawks didn't pressure Patty all game long, except for that last play in which anybody else would have been pressured too, proven by the fact that Kawhi got pressured the immediate next possession.

Again yes you did. You said you didn't like Kawhi bringing the ball up. I explained to you WHY it was happening. It's not because of what ATL does to Mills this game, but what happens when Mills brings the ball up in most EVERY game. You didn't like the explanation, but then Mills got pressured when he brought the ball up and the play (not entirely his fault) ended up in a TO. That was with much more time on the clock than when Kawhi got pressured (although it was still somewhat an end of game situation).

When that happened, you then shifted the argument away from the WHY to the RESULT of Mills handling the pressure fine. The reason I gave was not about Mills handling the pressure, but they WHY to having Kawhi bring the ball up with no TP there.

This isn't about this game. It's about Mills as a player and what we have seen forever with him when he does have to bring the ball up against starting level players.

[140]

No - it's not. It's been exposed numerous times. He played a great game (outside of his shooting for most of the game) tonight but that does not change everything we have seen before this regarding his ability to bring the ball up and initiate offense and teams pressuring him at an abnormal rate when he does.
abnormal rate = pressured once tonight

:lol

[DPG21920]

abnormal rate = pressured once tonight

:lol

Holy sh*t you are truly dumb :lol

[dabom]

abnormal rate = pressured once tonight

:lol

:lol

[Cry Havoc]

:lol bieber

[140]

Holy sh*t you are truly dumb :lol
Your capitulation is duly noted :lol

Anything else to add to your anti-Mills agenda tonight?

[DAF86]

Again yes you did. You said you didn't like Kawhi bringing the ball up. I explained to you WHY it was happening. It's not because of what ATL does to Mills this game, but what happens when Mills brings the ball up in most EVERY game. You didn't like the explanation, but then Mills got pressured when he brought the ball up and the play (not entirely his fault) ended up in a TO. That was with much more time on the clock than when Kawhi got pressured (although it was still somewhat an end of game situation).

When that happened, you then shifted the argument away from the WHY to the RESULT of Mills handling the pressure fine. The reason I gave was not about Mills handling the pressure, but they WHY to having Kawhi bring the ball up with no TP there.

This isn't about this game. It's about Mills as a player and what we have seen forever with him when he does have to bring the ball up against starting level players.

I didn't change shit son. Let me explain it to you:

I said I didn't like Kawhi bringing the ball up every other possession. Then you said that happens becuase Mills would be getting pressured by Atlanta. I then told you Atlanta wasn't pressuring shit, not Kawhi, not Mills, not Manu, not anybody. Then you saw the opportunity to pull a dishonest "I told you so" because of that one play where Patty had already handled the pressure and the refs decided to make it more interesting, despite nothing of what you said happened for the entirety of the rest of the game.

[GSH]

2011-12 season :toast

Thanks for that. I knew it had been quite a while. I hope they keep this going and get home court through the playoffs. But it feels good now, no matter what.

[cutewizard]

top seed baby

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooo

[cutewizard]

its clobberin time

:claw

[DPG21920]

I didn't change shit son. Let me explain it to you:

I said I didn't like Kawhi bringing the ball up every other possession. Then you said that happens becuase Mills would be getting pressured by Atlanta. I then told you Atlanta wasn't pressuring shit, not Kawhi, not Mills, not Manu, not anybody. Then you saw the opportunity to pull a dishonest "I told you so" because of that one play where Patty had already handled the pressure and the refs decided to make it more interesting, despite nothing of what you said happening for the entirety of the rest of the game.

Lol wut - your comment was Kawhi bringing it up. Hence not Mills bringing it up. How can he be pressured if he's not bringing it up?

The reason for your original comment was because of Mills not bringing it up. I explained why SA was in this situation. You didn't like the situation, moved the goal posts and now are trying to point out Kawhi being pressured once with 30 seconds left means that Mills was not pressured when he did get to bring the ball up before that :lol

Mills wasn't bringing the ball hence your kawhi comment. I said why and when he did bring it up, regardless of how he handled what i said would happen, what I said would happen happened.

Then on top of that, it's happened plenty of times in other games most of the time which Mills does not handle it well.

But you know that. It's ok to be wrong. I've been wrong at least twice before on this forum.

[DAF86]

Lol wut - your comment was Kawhi bringing it up. Hence not Mills bringing it up. How can he be pressured if he's not bringing it up?

The reason for your original comment was because of Mills not bringing it up. I explained why SA was in this situation. You didn't like the situation, moved the goal posts and now are trying to point out Kawhi being pressured once with 30 seconds left means that Mills was not pressured when he did get to bring the ball up before that :lol

Mills wasn't bringing the ball hence your kawhi comment. I said why and when he did bring it up, regardless of how he handled what i said would happen, what I said would happen happened.

Then on top of that, it's happened plenty of times in other games most of the time which Mills does not handle it well.

But you know that. It's ok to be wrong. I've been wrong at least twice before on this forum.

Dude, I literally said "I don't like Kawhi bringing the ball up EVERY OTHER play", meaning once every 2 or 3 times down the court, mostly when Patty wasn't on the floor. Patty dribled the ball up the floor a lot more than Kawhi on this game and he didn't get pressured at all untill that one play that you so desperately jumped on, tbh.

[spurs10]

Numero Uno!!

[BillMc]

Maybe this was already posted but I don't like it:


Here's Spurs forward Kawhi Leonard explaining how his first concussion felt: "As far as my physical, my body, I felt alright. I didn't feel dizzy like I was gonna fall. I just had a blurriness out of my left eye. So I tried to shake it off, and I ran through the next couple of plays. They ended up calling that timeout, and it just started getting really, really blurry. I told one of the coaching staff what I was feeling at that time. And I just went out to get checked out."

[GSH]

Maybe this was already posted but I don't like it:

That's the first thing I've seen that actually described concussion symptoms. Up till now, I thought maybe it was just putting him through the required protocol, and then using it as a chance to give him a little rest. After reading that, I kind of wish they had given him a little more time - although I doubt they would have been able to beat Atlanta without him tonight. Someone said during the game that they thought he got hit in the head again. A second concussion is easier to come by for a while after a first, and losing Kawhi would be a season-ender.

Thanks for posting that... I think.

[DPG21920]

That's the first thing I've seen that actually described concussion symptoms. Up till now, I thought maybe it was just putting him through the required protocol, and then using it as a chance to give him a little rest. After reading that, I kind of wish they had given him a little more time - although I doubt they would have been able to beat Atlanta without him tonight. Someone said during the game that they thought he got hit in the head again. A second concussion is easier to come by for a while after a first, and losing Kawhi would be a season-ender.

Thanks for posting that... I think.

That was me. It was when Kawhi drove into the lane in the first half and had that left handed flip shot where he got fouled. I saw his head cock back when the forearm came in and hit him for the foul. In looking at the replay it seemed like more of a reaction of getting fouled than contact but I really could not tell.

[GSH]

I said I didn't like Kawhi bringing the ball up every other possession. Then you said that happens becuase Mills would be getting pressured by Atlanta. I then told you Atlanta wasn't pressuring shit, not Kawhi, not Mills, not Manu, not anybody. Then you saw the opportunity to pull a dishonest "I told you so" because of that one play where Patty had already handled the pressure and the refs decided to make it more interesting, despite nothing of what you said happened for the entirety of the rest of the game.


I had most of the second half buffered into my DVR, so I went back and looked. They were, in fact, pressuring Mills in the backcourt more than I generally see - especially that Cruella DeVille bastard Schroeder. A few times Patty kicked it over to Kawhi, which is always the smart thing to do. A few times Kawhi brought it across on his own, but nowhere nearly half the time. When he did, they never bothered him the way they were Patty.

I don't think any of that proves anything. When a backup PG starts, it's pretty common for the opposing coach to test him that way, and Bud knows Patty as well as anyone. Then again, when he was pressured, Patty seemed to do a good job of handling it - whether it was by himself, or by making a pass. Seems too simple for there to be much to argue about. When they used to pressure CoJo in the backcourt (especially his first couple of years) he coughed the ball up a lot. If I were an opposing coach, I would pressure the shit out of Murray that way. But the only real purpose in doing it to Patty would be leaving the Spurs less time to run their offense and find the "better" shot.

[GSH]

That was me. It was when Kawhi drove into the lane in the first half and had that left handed flip shot where he got fouled. I saw his head cock back when the forearm came in and hit him for the foul. In looking at the replay it seemed like more of a reaction of getting fouled than contact but I really could not tell.


I'm glad I didn't see that. I'm really glad I didn't see it after reading what Bill just posted.

I guess this is why Pop gets paid the big bucks. I'd hate to have to make the call between needing him now, and needing him even more later.

[DPG21920]

I had most of the second half buffered into my DVR, so I went back and looked. They were, in fact, pressuring Mills in the backcourt more than I generally see - especially that Cruella DeVille bastard Schroeder. A few times Patty kicked it over to Kawhi, which is always the smart thing to do. A few times Kawhi brought it across on his own, but nowhere nearly half the time. When he did, they never bothered him the way they were Patty.

I don't think any of that proves anything. When a backup PG starts, it's pretty common for the opposing coach to test him that way, and Bud knows Patty as well as anyone. Then again, when he was pressured, Patty seemed to do a good job of handling it - whether it was by himself, or by making a pass. Seems too simple for there to be much to argue about. When they used to pressure CoJo in the backcourt (especially his first couple of years) he coughed the ball up a lot. If I were an opposing coach, I would pressure the shit out of Murray that way. But the only real purpose in doing it to Patty would be leaving the Spurs less time to run their offense and find the "better" shot.

And again, to my larger point trying to explain to him why you see this, it's not about this game even (though I agree with what you saw). With TP Kawhi truly is the best ball handler against starting level defense. Teams don't test TP or Kawhi like they do with Mills because they are better and it's pointless.

We've all seen Mills get pressured numerous times and cough it up. He handled it fine today, but Kawhi bringing up the ball with no TP was a symptom of him being the best option and Mills getting pressured more because of everything I said. It was not a knock; it was an answer to his statement as to "why" this was happening.

[GSH]

And again, to my larger point trying to explain to him why you see this, it's not about this game even (though I agree with what you saw). With TP Kawhi truly is the best ball handler against starting level defense. Teams don't test TP or Kawhi like they do with Mills because they are better and it's pointless.

We've all seen Mills get pressured numerous times and cough it up. He handled it fine today, but Kawhi bringing up the ball with no TP was a symptom of him being the best option and Mills getting pressured more because of everything I said. It was not a knock; it was an answer to his statement as to "why" this was happening.


I can't argue with that. Not sure why anyone would. Coaches pressure backup PG's when they start, just like they blitz a backup QB until he proves that he'll make them pay for it.

I remember years ago, a young guy trying to pressure Manu when he had the ball, and Manu just torched him. The commentators laughed and said that you just don't try that shit with Manu Ginobili, or he'll make you pay. These days it's getting fairly common for defenders to go hard at Manu that same way, because he's lost a step. It's just the way it works. Tony isn't what he used to be, but they still know that they can't get up in his shorts. They'll do it to Patty until he proves he can handle it. Nights like this help.

[szkorhetz]

The Gasol-Dedmon pairing ♥

[DPG21920]

Yup^. If Mills wants to be a legit starter and not just some place holder (which you can't win with PG's like him because the other non-PG dominate teams have PGs that can defend and do other things) he has to be able to initiate offense under pressure.

I dont think he can consistently especially in the playoffs. But hopefully he can and proves it this year.

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C62MNdgU4AAoifH?format=jpg&name=large

[GSH]

I said I didn't like Kawhi bringing the ball up every other possession. Then you said that happens becuase Mills would be getting pressured by Atlanta.

Lol wut - your comment was Kawhi bringing it up. Hence not Mills bringing it up.

I just watched the entire first half. The things you two are arguing about didn't happen enough times to even talk about, much less argue about.

Kawhi didn't bring the ball up the court half the time - he brought it up 9 times out of 50 Spurs possessions. And only once did Patty defer and just let him bring the ball across.
Twice Kawhi got a rebound and took off by himself.
Twice Patty was defended off the ball, so the rebounder passed to Kawhi to bring up
Twice there were missed shots, and Patty had released, so Kawhi brought it up.
Twice there were missed shots, and Forbes had released, so Kawhi brought it up
The last possession of the half, with the clock winding down, Patty deferred to Kawhi to bring across, because it's his show in that situation.

On the other hand, Atlanta never pressured anyone until almost midway through the second, when Bud obviously made the adjustment. Patty got pressured in the backcourt several times after that, and a couple of times he was defended off the ball. No one other than Patty ever got pressured in the backcourt, but even he didn't get pressured that many times.

I just watched half of the third quarter, and it's more of the same. Except twice Kawhi was a little frustrated and said, "Gimme the ball", so the inbounder threw it to him to bring up the floor. Bottom line, big argument about shit that didn't happen.

[TampaDude]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C62MNdgU4AAoifH?format=jpg&name=large

Just another day at the office, having fun!

[dabom]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C62MNdgU4AAoifH?format=jpg&name=large

:wow

[SupremeGuy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C62MNdgU4AAoifH?format=jpg&name=largeClearly photoshopped.

[sasaint]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C62MNdgU4AAoifH?format=jpg&name=large

Fun Foto of the Year nominee: "Kiwi and Aussie Share Some Fun". Thanks! :tu

[sasaint]

Clearly photoshopped.

Oops! I didn't see that until you pointed it out. Good catch.

[look_at_g_shred]

Fun Foto of the Year nominee: "Kiwi and Aussie Share Some Fun". Thanks! :tu
Sounds like a Porn title.

[james evans]

i didn't mention it last night because I was in a session while watching this game, but we played better without Aldridge against Atlanta. I figured we would. Aldridge DOES NOT move without the ball. He just wants to shoot those broke ass 18 footers all game and when we gets the ball, he backs down too long instead of getting the ball and immediately dong somethign with it. I'm not saying we don't need him, but we definitely play better against certain teams without him

[look_at_g_shred]

i didn't mention it last night because I was in a session while watching this game, but we played better without Aldridge against Atlanta. I figured we would. Aldridge DOES NOT move without the ball. He just wants to shoot those broke ass 18 footers all game and when we gets the ball, he backs down too long instead of getting the ball and immediately dong somethign with it. I'm not saying we don't need him, but we definitely play better against certain teams without him
I agree. It would be better if once he caught the ball, immediately take it to the rim and score in the paint rather than a turn around fadeaway.

[Ice009]

I agree. It would be better if once he caught the ball, immediately take it to the rim and score in the paint rather than a turn around fadeaway.

Yep, that would be much better of LMA did that. More decisiveness from him would go a long way. I hope he's alright and can come back very soon.