Lonzo Ball will be the best PG in the league

[StrengthAndHonor]

I think in 3 years, Ball will easily surpass today's best PG.


CP3 is declining, Kyrie is one dimensional, ditto in Isaiah. I can't consider John Wall and Lillard to be in the upper echelon. Curry, probably will hit a decline.


The Lakers could end up with a taller, more athletic version of Jason Kidd.



Never seen an athlete with this much hype but has the tools and skills to back it up since Lebron, tbh.


#powershift

[baseline bum]

I think in 3 years, Ball will easily surpass today's best PG.


CP3 is declining, Kyrie is one dimensional, ditto in Isaiah. I can't consider John Wall and Lillard to be in the upper echelon. Curry, probably will hit a decline.


The Lakers could end up with a taller, more athletic version of Jason Kidd.



Never seen an athlete with this much hype but has the tools and skills to back it up since Lebron, tbh.


#powershift

Ball looks like an amazing talent. But man I wonder how much that weird right-handed shot of his from the left is going to hurt his game at the NBA level when he can't pull up going right. He's such a good spot up shooter though you almost don't want to mess with his ridiculous form.

[140]

Who?

[baseline bum]

Who?

The guy you should have been tanking for.

[Raven]

there's not way they draft YET ANOTHER guard... right?

[140]

The guy you should have been tanking for.
We don't rebuild, we restack tbh

[StrengthAndHonor]

there's not way they draft YET ANOTHER guard... right?
It's a guard heavy draft tbh.

[Mal]

I want to see Ball, Simmons, Process badly

[Chucho]

We don't rebuild, we restack tbh

Stacking absolute piles of shit no one else wants, tbf. (F stands for factual in this instance.)

[8FOR!3]

He definitely has the upside. Who knows if he actually will be though.

[Chucho]

I think in 3 years, Ball will easily surpass today's best PG.


CP3 is declining, Kyrie is one dimensional, ditto in Isaiah. I can't consider John Wall and Lillard to be in the upper echelon. Curry, probably will hit a decline.


The Lakers could end up with a taller, more athletic version of Jason Kidd.



Never seen an athlete with this much hype but has the tools and skills to back it up since Lebron, tbh.


#powershift

The same douche that scored a shit 8 points in the tourney final with a percentage that would make Greatest Beta Ever's % seem outer-worldly in a positive manner?

The same Lonzo Ball who's father is going to cost him a spot where he is drafted and basically derail his career before it begins? The father that thinks his unproven Highschool sons and his son at UCLA that choked on the big stage are worth a $1 billion shoe endorsement? The father smokes rock obviously and will be a major part of why this kid will have a career that will be more like D Russ than Russ Westbrook. Dude has Mike Beasley levels of Bust all over him.

[DMC]

Jimmer 2.0

[140]

Stacking absolute piles of shit no one else wants, tbf. (F stands for factual in this instance.)
:rolleyes

[Chucho]

:rolleyes
:rollin
You know it's true. A deflective eyeroll doesn't change the fact your team is a shitpile of bad contracts, the L's most over rated Owner and a tired old Shitbag Nazi descendant.

LOL @ Wes Mattews

LOL @ Harrison Barnes

LOL @ trotting out Tired Old Shitbag Nazi

LOL @ Cubes Laker-like ability to not attract a player worth their weight in shit in over a decade.

LOL@ Allas being a joke

LOL@ Mavs penis envy of Spurs

LOL@ your denial.

S'all true, nigga. Neal with it.

[Chucho]

And I literally laughed so hard at "re-stacking", I threw a wet fart.

[whitemamba]

That jumpshot is ugly af, but it goes in guess.

[140]

:rollin
You know it's true. A deflective eyeroll doesn't change the fact your team is a shitpile of bad contracts, the L's most over rated Owner and a tired old Shitbag Nazi descendant.

LOL @ Wes Mattews

LOL @ Harrison Barnes

LOL @ trotting out Tired Old Shitbag Nazi

LOL @ Cubes Laker-like ability to not attract a player worth their weight in shit in over a decade.

LOL@ Allas being a joke

LOL@ Mavs penis envy of Spurs

LOL@ your denial.

S'all true, nigga. Neal with it.
:wakeup

[Chucho]

LOL. Also gotta love that dead-last Offense. You can't re-stack when your 6 ft under, sweetie. Your team blows and your roster makes the Lakers look like there's light at the end of that shit tunnel.

And yes, yes, spare your reply, I gotcha covered, Fatty:


:wakeup

We done here. Clean that leakage from where I bent ya over.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Ball looks like an amazing talent. But man I wonder how much that weird right-handed shot of his from the left is going to hurt his game at the NBA level when he can't pull up going right. He's such a good spot up shooter though you almost don't want to mess with his ridiculous form.
Not a big concern IMO.

[140]

LOL. Also gotta love that dead-last Offense. You can't re-stack when your 6 ft under, sweetie. Your team blows and your roster makes the Lakers look like there's light at the end of that shit tunnel.

And yes, yes, spare your reply, I gotcha covered, Fatty:



We done here. Clean that leakage from where I bent ya over.
:wakeup

[Raven]

It's a guard heavy draft tbh.

Imagine if the lakers drafted a big in the best big draft ever instead of the least skilled starting pg in the nba :lmao

[StrengthAndHonor]

Imagine if the lakers drafted a big in the best big draft ever instead of the least skilled starting pg in the nba :lmao

Like who, Okafor? He's trash with no trade value, tbh.

[Raven]

Like who, Okafor? He's trash with no trade value, tbh.

well, yeah it's still stunning they didn't pick oak or porz, but tbf as far as i'm concerned, their pick is already irreversibly behind at least 8 players.. 6 of which are bigs... but hey, they have randle and they are going to sign a franchise big right ? :lmao

[unleashbaynes]

His dad was better.

[Killakobe81]

I think in 3 years, Ball will easily surpass today's best PG.


CP3 is declining, Kyrie is one dimensional, ditto in Isaiah. I can't consider John Wall and Lillard to be in the upper echelon. Curry, probably will hit a decline.


The Lakers could end up with a taller, more athletic version of Jason Kidd.



Never seen an athlete with this much hype but has the tools and skills to back it up since Lebron, tbh.


#powershift

Lebron is the poster boy for meeting or exceeding hype. I like Ball he does remind me of kidd who I saw play in HS and at Cal (in person) if he is the best player I hope the Lakers get him. But I also hope (even as a Bruin alumnus) that they don't take him over Fultz, Tatum or Jackson simply as a marketing ploy, local ties or because he reminds Magic of himself. Take the BPA. None of the Lakers core not even Ingram should deter Lakers from taking BPA.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Lebron is the poster boy for meeting or exceeding hype. I like Ball he does remind me of kidd who I saw play in HS and at Cal (in person) if he is the best player I hope the Lakers get him. But I also hope (even as a Bruin alumnus) that they don't take him over Fultz, Tatum or Jackson simply as a marketing ploy, local ties or because he reminds Magic of himself. Take the BPA. None of the Lakers core not even Ingram should deter Lakers from taking BPA.
Fultz reminds me of Glen Robinson. Complete offensive package out of college, polished but has little to no feel of the game.

Ball has a very natural feel of the game. Great leadership skills and very unselfish, quite the opposite of Fultz.

[Killakobe81]

Fultz reminds me of Glen Robinson. Complete offensive package out of college, polished but has little to no feel of the game.

Ball has a natural of the game. Great leadership skills and very unselfish, quite the opposite of Fultz.

That is fine I only have seen Fultz maybe three times once against UCLA, Zona and Oregon and to be fair his team was the worst of the 4 by far. So I cant judge him fairly and of course I have a UCLA bias. That being said I fucking hate Duke but thought Ingam was the 2nd best choice last year and I think Tatum should be considered this year ...bias should have nothing to do with anything take the BPA ...PERIOD.

[StrengthAndHonor]

That is fine I only have seen Fultz maybe three times once against UCLA, Zona and Oregon and to be fair his team was the worst of the 4 by far. So I cant judge him fairly and of course I have a UCLA bias. That being said I fucking hate Duke but thought Ingam was the 2nd best choice last year and I think Tatum should be considered this year ...bias should have nothing to do with anything take the BPA ...PERIOD.

Honestly, I think Tatum's game reminds me of Danny Green and Shane Battier at times. He's not worth a Top 3 pick IMO. BPA would be Fultz, Ball or maybe Josh Jackson.


Fultz can score but I truly question his passion for the game. The Lakers have plenty of prospects with a score first mentality and none exhibits a leadership characteristic. Ball is the complete opposite of Randle, Clarkson and Russell.


There's no doubt in my mind Lonzo Ball will be in the upper echelon of guards in the NBA.

[Spurs9]

Big Baller Brand

[lebomb]

I dont know about that..........all speculation at this point. His dad is better than Jordan and Barkley though.

[lebomb]

Dbuster was touted as one the of best PG to come out in years........how did that turn out?

[RsxPiimp]

it's usually a crapshoot but i like fultz tbh. he's the clear cut #1 imo and if you've seen his game and realize he's only 19, there's no doubt this guy will be an all star player at worst in the league. he's so fluid, with almost no weakness offensively.

[StrengthAndHonor]

it's usually a crapshoot but i like fultz tbh. he's the clear cut #1 imo and if you've seen his game and realize he's only 19, there's no doubt this guy will be an all star player at worst in the league. he's so fluid, with almost no weakness offensively.

Glenn Robinson was also a tremendous scorer in college, as a matter of fact, he continued his scoring brilliance in the big league. But that's all he ever was.

[BD24]

Same guy who thought d'snitch was gonna be a top 5 of in the league by the end of the year. Nothing to see here

[JMarkJohns]

Jason Kidd is the worst comparison. It's sloppy. It's lazy.

First, Ball doesn't play defense at fucking all.
Second, Ball looks to score as often as pass, which is not Kidd's mentality.
Lastly, Ball does not show the blind drive Kidd shows.

Ball cares only when it's convenient. Kidd had flaws, but aside from being light skins, they are almost nothing alike.

[Will Hunting]

Jason Kidd is the worst comparison. It's sloppy. It's lazy.

First, Ball doesn't play defense at fucking all.
Second, Ball looks to score as often as pass, which is not Kidd's mentality.
Lastly, Ball does not show the blind drive Kidd shows.

Ball cares only when it's convenient. Kidd had flaws, but aside from being light skins, they are almost nothing alike.
I think the comparison has more to do with both players being tall point guards but I agree it's a shitty comparison.

[Killakobe81]

Jason Kidd is the worst comparison. It's sloppy. It's lazy.

First, Ball doesn't play defense at fucking all.
Second, Ball looks to score as often as pass, which is not Kidd's mentality.
Lastly, Ball does not show the blind drive Kidd shows.

Ball cares only when it's convenient. Kidd had flaws, but aside from being light skins, they are almost nothing alike.

Not true there are some very valid comparisons. I saw both play in HS and as freshman in the pac12. At this point, in their careers yes Ball is the better shooter and was agressive with his shot in Round one but the vision is similar, and the willingness to throw the ball ahead rather than to stat whore assists is not only uncannythe way it resembles Kidd but something only the most unselfish of great PGs are willing to do. To say he doesnt play defense watch the oregon game where he neutralized the much bigger Dillon Brooks. Who was the conference poty and a Wooden finalist. That was very reminiscent of freshman Kidd. Where kidd was better seciring the rebound and applying instant transition pressure off that rebound wile ball is skinnier a weaker rebounder and not as good off the bounce.
Bill Walton and other good pac12 coaches and announcers have said the same. Im sure you watch pac12 ball being a zona fan ...so not sure how you cant see what others do. He is not as good as Kidd who was the best hS pg i ever seen in person even better than Rose or Baron Davis whi i also saw in HS ..but he is a better scorer at the same point.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Jason Kidd is the worst comparison. It's sloppy. It's lazy.

First, Ball doesn't play defense at fucking all.
Second, Ball looks to score as often as pass, which is not Kidd's mentality.
Lastly, Ball does not show the blind drive Kidd shows.

Ball cares only when it's convenient. Kidd had flaws, but aside from being light skins, they are almost nothing alike.
I think that's a horrible analysis of his game, no offense. If anything, Ball shares some similar traits with CP3, in terms of unselfishness. Some of his detractors oftentimes points out his reluctance to shoot the ball when his teammates are cold.

Lonzo is not a traditional point but his biggest strength has been his ability to run and create plays for UCLA.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Same guy who thought d'snitch was gonna be a top 5 of in the league by the end of the year. Nothing to see here
I'll take that criticism. I still believe he will be an elite guard though his progression is a bit slow.

[RsxPiimp]

Glenn Robinson was also a tremendous scorer in college, as a matter of fact, he continued his scoring brilliance in the big league. But that's all he ever was.

dont think fultz is one dimensional. seems to have a good head on his shoulders too.


robinson was a dick in college

[JMarkJohns]

So now we are quoting Bill Walton, a man whose brain is so drug addled he thinks a cactus is a man offering him a high five.

They both have good vision, but have flair.

But they are almost nothing alike. Fundamentally and statistically. Outside of assists per game, which is an outcome stat, not a causation stat.

[JoeTait75]

The only time I've seen Lonzo Ball play was Friday night when Kent State played UCLA. Admittedly a short sample size, but if I had to make a comparison it would be to Shaun Livingston. Similar size and build and a similar controlled, efficient game. He isn't a great defensive player (UCLA as a team is not very good defensively) but a lot of guys come into the NBA with defensive deficiencies. Those can be ironed out.

[Killakobe81]

So now we are quoting Bill Walton, a man whose brain is so drug addled he thinks a cactus is a man offering him a high five.

They both have good vision, but have flair.

But they are almost nothing alike. Fundamentally and statistically. Outside of assists per game, which is an outcome stat, not a causation stat.

Bill was only one and the most famous example ...
I dont have an issue if you disagree...but for you to act like the comparison is lazy or way off base, is where i take issue.
Kidd is the better HS player and freshman PG ...so I also think he will be the better pro ...
But i do see some similarities enough to see him as a poor man's Kidd

[Killakobe81]

That being said seeing Rose and westbrook as HS seniors and colle players no way in hell would i have believed Russ wo u ld be the better NBA PG.
Even without the MVP prime Russ is better than MVP Rose

[JMarkJohns]

Bill was only one and the most famous example ...
I dont have an issue if you disagree...but for you to act like the comparison is lazy or way off base, is where i take issue.
Kidd is the better HS player and freshman PG ...so I also think he will be the better pro ...
But i do see some similarities enough to see him as a poor man's Kidd

They play the game entirely different. Other than the fact they dribble, pass, and played in Pac12 as light skinned tall PGs, there's not really much similarity.

Can't help it if you swear there is. But games are fundamentally and mentally different.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEth-eCI8Lg

[LkrFan]

Lebron is the poster boy for meeting or exceeding hype. I like Ball he does remind me of kidd who I saw play in HS and at Cal (in person) if he is the best player I hope the Lakers get him. But I also hope (even as a Bruin alumnus) that they don't take him over Fultz, Tatum or Jackson simply as a marketing ploy, local ties or because he reminds Magic of himself. Take the BPA. None of the Lakers core not even Ingram should deter Lakers from taking BPA.

If you were Pelinka, who would you take right now outta Fultz and Ball? I don't follow college hoops before March Madness. There is a lot of hype for Ball on LG. It seems like a Fultz/Russ/Ingram core would be the way to build around. Thoughts?

[StrengthAndHonor]

Boston will probably pick Ball tbh which gives the Lakers either Fultz or Jackson.

[Killakobe81]

They play the game entirely different. Other than the fact they dribble, pass, and played in Pac12 as light skinned tall PGs, there's not really much similarity.

Can't help it if you swear there is. But games are fundamentally and mentally different.

Did you see kidd play in HS or at Cal? Were you even old enough?
I was old enough and connected enough to AAU to see both play in both HS and College

[Killakobe81]

If you were Pelinka, who would you take right now outta Fultz and Ball? I don't follow college hoops before March Madness. There is a lot of hype for Ball on LG. It seems like a Fultz/Russ/Ingram core would be the way to build around. Thoughts?

I like Fultz but i am not a fan of guys that wre hurt in their only year in college ball. Kyrie turned out okay but many we end up like Oden or Bowie ...personally unless his workouts and physicals are sterling i would be hesitant if i were picking first. Ball makes lrss sense for celts with IT3 being a mvp canidate however if I loved Ball and thought he was the BPA i would take him regardless.

Same with Lakers take BPA if you dont you take darko over Wade, Bosh and Melo or even Bowie (they had Drexler great player but They passed on MJ) over the Goat.

[140]

This faggot has nothing on JKidd, tbh

[Killakobe81]

Bilas thinks differently

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18363909

Apparently so does Sports day Dallas that saw Kidd up close
http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-mavericks/mavericks/2017/02/12/mavericks-draft-watch-dallas-trending-lonzo-ball-drawing-comparisons-jason-kidd

Also here is another one that I agree with they say Best case for Ball is Jkidd ... and worst case is Rubio ...with him most likely falling in-between. And I agree though I do think he will be much better than Rubio. http://hardwoodhoudini.com/2017/03/17/nba-comparison-lonzo-ball/

Again it's not lazy, many have made the same comparisons with valid reasons and points why he reminds them of kidd. But Kidd to me was the better player and prospect. Maybe Ball can change my mind in the tourney but I stand by poor man's Kidd.

[Killakobe81]

So now we are quoting Bill Walton, a man whose brain is so drug addled he thinks a cactus is a man offering him a high five.

They both have good vision, but have flair.

But they are almost nothing alike. Fundamentally and statistically. Outside of assists per game, which is an outcome stat, not a causation stat.

Freshman Kidd 13 pts. 7.7 assists 4.9 rebs and 3.8 steals (wow I remember him being a ball hawk but wow) FT% 66 FG%463 . 3p% .286
Freshman Ball 14.6 pts 7.6 assists 6.1 rebs and 1.9 steals Ft% 67 FG% .551 3p% .414

Wow, Jmark those stats look nothing alike except the fact the FT% is almost identical as are the assists. rebounds are within 1% . Ball shoots it better Kidd the far better ballhawk ...no comparison at, all!!

[JMarkJohns]

Freshman Kidd 13 pts. 7.7 assists 4.9 rebs and 3.8 steals (wow I remember him being a ball hawk but wow) FT% 66 FG%463 . 3p% .286
Freshman Ball 14.6 pts 7.6 assists 6.1 rebs and 1.9 steals Ft% 67 FG% .551 3p% .414

Wow, Jmark those stats look nothing alike except the fact the FT% is almost identical as are the assists. rebounds are within 1% . Ball shoots it better Kidd the far better ballhawk ...no comparison at, all!!

You're an idiot. Stats are ends, not means.

I saw Kidd at Cal. I also am currently and have been for the last 12 years, a paid contributor to both Rivals and Scout basketball recruiting services.

Just two days ago I said the Lakers need to draft Ball.

I am not saying he's a shit player.

I'm saying the comparison to Kidd, an all-world defender who scored more as a final option than first or second, is a lazy one based mostly on physical appearance of the players and casual nature of statistical averages.

Yes, both play PG, and both have a flair. Both pass the ball. But Lonzo looks to scores far more often and as a shooter is far more adept, while Kidd was hyper aggressive defensively and in pushing passes into scoring opportunities.

Different styles, different mentalities.

[RsxPiimp]

ucla is on tonight, need to see what this kid is made of.

[Killakobe81]

You're an idiot. Stats are ends, not means.

I saw Kidd at Cal. I also am currently and have been for the last 12 years, a paid contributor to both Rivals and Scout basketball recruiting services.

Just two days ago I said the Lakers need to draft Ball.

I am not saying he's a shit player.

I'm saying the comparison to Kidd, an all-world rebounder and defender who scored more as a final option than first or second, is a lazy one based mostly on physical appearance of the players and casual nature of statistical averages.

Yes, both play PG, and both have a flair. Both pass the ball. But Lonzo Lois to scores far more often and as a shooter is far more adept, while Kidd was hyper aggressive defensively and in pushing passes into scoring opportunities.

Different styles, different mentalities.

Name calling the first sign of losing an argument.

1. If you are a contributor to those reputable services then you should be able to make your argument without resorting to responding like a teenager especially if you saw Kidd at Cal.
2. You said assists was the only stat that was similar but I showed you more ...btw you brought up stats first then you argue that they don't matter ...so why bring them up?
3. You made fun of the Walton example I gave you Jay Bilas

Ball also pushes the ball aggressively.
I do think Kidd is much better on defense and is also the better prospect so not sure what you are arguing. maybe you misunderstood I will try and be the adult and give you the benefit of the doubt, here .

All I am saying is that I see SOME similar traits... No he is not the 2nd coming of Kidd or a carbon copy. There are SOME elements of his game that REMIND me and many others of Kidd. and I am arguing it's not lazy if reasonable basketball analysts like Bilas who also is a draft guru similar to Kiper for ESPN on the NBA draft

I think the last link that said best case he could be (paraphrasing) a Kidd like PG ... worst case Rubio but he will probably fall between those extremes, is pretty spot on. I think both have shown better defense than Ball, however I do not think Rubio could defend Dillon Brooks Like Ball did in the second half vs. Oregon and Kidd could have easily done because Kidd was an elite PG defender ho could defend bigger players easily.

As for the Lakers, I don't want them to draft Ball (even as Bruins fan) unless he is BPA. IF Fultz, Tatum or Josh Jackson are better prospects Lakers should draft them instead imho.

[Killakobe81]

The only time I've seen Lonzo Ball play was Friday night when Kent State played UCLA. Admittedly a short sample size, but if I had to make a comparison it would be to Shaun Livingston. Similar size and build and a similar controlled, efficient game. He isn't a great defensive player (UCLA as a team is not very good defensively) but a lot of guys come into the NBA with defensive deficiencies. Those can be ironed out.

Don't see Livingston who is much longer ... but Seeing shaun at Duke honestly I thought he had a lot of talent but never thought he would be Kidd type player I don't even know if Ball can do that either tbh but ball has been more impressive as freshman imho than Shaun, but not as much as Kidd

[Killakobe81]

Boston will probably pick Ball tbh which gives the Lakers either Fultz or Jackson.

I hope they do if the others are better players ...

[JMarkJohns]

You showed a lot of stats.

Only stats really "close" are PPG, APG, and FT%... so of the 8 stats you showed, you're 3/8.

Again, my point is what you have continued to prove: superficially, surface looks, because each is a tall PG with passing flair, most see some result-based stats and see a comparison.

But their styles are not similar. Kidd was inefficient in the half court. It got worse in the NBA, but it went back to to Cal as well. Look at those shooting percentages.

Kidd pushed passes into offense because if he wasn't getting into the Lane, Kidd wasn't nearly the player offensively. Ball can shoot, Ball can pull up off the dribble, and Ball also doesn't mind giving up the Ball ala hockey assist. Kidd and his type of PG were mostly ball-dominant.

Getting to Defense, Ball struggles to stay in front of quicker players. Look at the first Arizona game for proof. Simmons is an elite level athlete with almost no skill, as evidenced by his recent MPG with Trier back. Simmonds touched Ball for 20-5-4.

That's one game. Now, it's not a full indictment on Ball. He's lanky and has spurts of intensity that rivals the drive Kidd played with constantly on defense, but mostly Ball lags off and plays the passing lanes, using length. Kidd was a bulldog on-ball defender who also used length for steals, but forced many off the bounce, not just off the pass.

Quoting drug addled Walton and East Coast Bias Bilas as proof of your claim is silly.

They share commonalities in they excel in transition, and look to facilitate off the pass. But they aren't even the same type of passes, and they are radically different offensive and defensive players.

I was wrong for calling you an idiot. But stats aren't a smart play.

[JMarkJohns]

As for prospects, I like Fultz tops, but not by much.

Ball is intriguing and if he can keep clear of his dad's BS, keep his head on his game, then he could be great.

Jackson hasn't shown a scorers mentality. More of a finishers ability, with a touch of facilitation. He has the ability to pass, has improved his shooting, but he's best off the catch. Not sure he develops into ideal scorer. But he's an elite defender and solid in every other aspect.

Tatum is intriguing. I think his game is a bit of a throwback for modern wing. Early his offense stalled Duke's and he became a bit of a black hole. He's become more willing to quickly get rid of the ball if immediate shot/lane isn't available, rather than holding on to it, and killing flow.

Lakers would be best for a PG, but if they don't believe Ingram has the upside, then Tatum could be the alpha scorer they are looking to develop.

[Killakobe81]

:toast
You showed a lot of stats.

Only stats really "close" are PPG, APG, and FT%... so of the 8 stats you showed, you're 3/8.

Again, my point is what you have continued to prove: superficially, surface looks, because each is a tall PG with passing flair, most see some result-based stats and see a comparison.

But their styles are not similar. Kidd was inefficient in the half court. It got worse in the NBA, but it went back to to Cal as well. Look at those shooting percentages.

Kidd pushed passes into offense because if he wasn't getting into the Lane, Kidd wasn't nearly the player offensively. Ball can shoot, Ball can pull up off the dribble, and Ball also doesn't mind giving up the Ball ala hockey assist. Kidd and his type of PG were mostly ball-dominant.

Getting to Defense, Ball struggles to stay in front of quicker players. Look at the first Arizona game for proof. Simmons is an elite level athlete with almost no skill, as evidenced by his recent MPG with Trier back. Simmonds touched Ball for 20-5-4.

That's one game. Now, it's not a full indictment on Ball. He's lanky and has spurts of intensity that rivals the drive Kidd played with constantly on defense, but mostly Ball lags off and plays the passing lanes, using length. Kidd was a bulldog on-ball defender who also used length for steals, but forced many off the bounce, not just off the pass.

Quoting drug addled Walton and East Coast Bias Bilas as proof of your claim is silly.

They share commonalities in they excel in transition, and look to facilitate off the pass. But they aren't even the same type of passes, and they are radically different offensive and defensive players.

I was wrong for calling you an idiot. But stats aren't a smart play.

It's all good this is well thought out report on why you don't agree. Again all I have been saying is I don't think it's hard to see some similar traits. What you have done is illustrated where they differ. I just felt the lazy and nothing similar is as unfair as you deem the comparison lazy.

Let me ask you this, is it unfair to expect Walton or even Bilas to dig as deep as you did?
All I am saying is that a reasonable smart hops fan/TV analyst who may not contribute to Rivals etc may see some overlap in their skillset as passers and that they would not be way off base.

Anyways gonna get back to tourney ...appreciate the follow up. That was a solid post.:toast

[JMarkJohns]

:toast

It's all good this is well thought out report on why you don't agree. Again all I have been saying is I don't think it's hard to see some similar traits. What you have done is illustrated where they differ. I just felt the lazy and nothing similar is as unfair as you deem the comparison lazy.

Let me ask you this, is it unfair to expect Walton or even Bilas to dig as deep as you did?
All I am saying is that a reasonable smart hops fan/TV analyst who may not contribute to Rivals etc may see some overlap in their skillset as passers and that they would not be way off base.

Anyways gonna get back to tourney ...appreciate the follow up. That was a solid post.:toast

I allowed my frustration with the comparison, something I've had to address on multiple boards, to taint dialogue here.

I can see why some take the easy comparison.

Ball is unique. Has some pretty awesome offensive traits.

It's cool to chat. I'll do better to not get so annoyed next time.

[JMarkJohns]

Also, Shaun Livingston didn't play for Duke. Committed, but went pros. He picked Duke over Arizona, and I remember telling folks it didn't matter. Livingston was almost all instinct and ability at that point. Not much skill, but incredible feel and vision.

Ball is supremely skilled. His array of pull-ups and floaters coupled with dribble/drive, coupled with 3-point ability is astonishing.

I still worry about him caring mostly when convenient, and his Dad living rent free in that head of his (will he be swayed by daddy over what coach says? Will daddy use media to undercut coach?).

But Ball has an incredible offensive foundation to build upon.

[Killakobe81]

Also, Shaun Livingston didn't play for Duke. Committed, but went pros. He picked Duke over Arizona, and I remember telling folks it didn't matter. Livingston was almost all instinct and ability at that point. Not much skill, but incredible feel and vision.

Ball is supremely skilled. His array of pull-ups and floaters coupled with dribble/drive, coupled with 3-point ability is astonishing.

I still worry about him caring mostly when convenient, and his Dad living rent free in that head of his (will he be swayed by daddy over what coach says? Will daddy use media to undercut coach?).

But Ball has an incredible offensive foundation to build upon.
My bad I saw him in HS he did commit to Duke though I remember his recruitment was heavy by all the big schools

[Killakobe81]

Also, Shaun Livingston didn't play for Duke. Committed, but went pros. He picked Duke over Arizona, and I remember telling folks it didn't matter. Livingston was almost all instinct and ability at that point. Not much skill, but incredible feel and vision.

Ball is supremely skilled. His array of pull-ups and floaters coupled with dribble/drive, coupled with 3-point ability is astonishing.

I still worry about him caring mostly when convenient, and his Dad living rent free in that head of his (will he be swayed by daddy over what coach says? Will daddy use media to undercut coach?).

But Ball has an incredible offensive foundation to build upon.
I admit his daddy worries me for the Bruins THIS year much less as a pro.
I am enjoying when Ball fronts bigger players in that zone that at least shows he is strong and can defend when locked in ...

[JMarkJohns]

Lonzo seems like he has a good head on his shoulder. Not heard him talk like his father.

But his dad isn't going away. So I still hold concerns.

[JMarkJohns]

Livingston and Sebastian Telfair. One 6-7 PG. the other a 5-7. Haha both went 1st round as pre to pros.

[daslicer]

Lonzo has great balance for a young player. He knows when to get his teammates involved and when to assert himself and score. That's very rare for a young player to have that type of feel for the game.

[JMarkJohns]

Lonzo has great balance for a young player. He knows when to get his teammates involved and when to assert himself and score. That's very rare for a young player to have that type of feel for the game.

Yep. Had to score in 1st and early 2nd. No assists until 2nd, then 7/8 assists.

Good shooting percentages.

[RsxPiimp]

great game from lonzo. controlled the pace of the game against cincinnati. great balance in scoring and creating plays for his teammates. im warming up to the idea of ball, russell and ingram. lakers need a true playmaker.

considering the lakers luck though, good chance they'll miss out again.

[Killakobe81]

great game from lonzo. controlled the pace of the game against cincinnati. great balance in scoring and creating plays for his teammates. im warming up to the idea of ball, russell and ingram. lakers need a true playmaker.

considering the lakers luck though, good chance they'll miss out again.

Would love 2 get top pick but dont be picky we have a chance of getting nothing. I'll take Fultz, Tatum, Jackson, Ball or even Fox if he can improve his jumper.

[rastaspur]

So now we are quoting Bill Walton, a man whose brain is so drug addled he thinks a cactus is a man offering him a high five.

They both have good vision, but have flair.

But they are almost nothing alike. Fundamentally and statistically. Outside of assists per game, which is an outcome stat, not a causation stat.

Bill walton may have seen more than 600 grateful dead shows and taken an ass load of drugs over the years but I would still be willing to wager that he knows more than someone on an internet forum claiming to contribute to x, y, or z.

Leave bill be. He is the best hippie to ever play the game. Mad respect for walton. :lol

[JMarkJohns]

Bill walton may have seen more than 600 grateful dead shows and taken an ass load of drugs over the years but I would still be willing to wager that he knows more than someone on an internet forum claiming to contribute to x, y, or z.

Leave bill be. He is the best hippie to ever play the game. Mad respect for walton. :lol

Claiming? Search my name here and find what people say about me and my sources. Search my contributions here on players never even mentioned let alone broken down like I do.

Bill Walton is one of my favorite analysts because of the crazy shit he says. But the man has lost it and is officially a caricature of his former self. His rants have zero reasoning, and he's the biggest UCLA hyperbolist there is. He can't even isiolate where his true opinion ends and his exaggeration begins.

I've already detailed why the Kidd comps are sloppy at best and lazy at worst.

Don't bother responding if you can't understand logic.

[RsxPiimp]

gonzo's dad talks waay too much. his son is gonna get killed in the pros

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLZRpQxmXRo

:lol

[Killakobe81]

gonzo's dad talks waay too much. his son is gonna get killed in the pros

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLZRpQxmXRo

:lol

Probably. But maybe some will feel bad that his dad keeps running his mouth Lonzo doesnt talk much shit ...but tbh if he and Fultz are close its almost to the point of why deal with his shit ...its not like he is LeBron ... a no doubt about it first pick prospect.

[I. Hustle]

http://terezowens.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/smith-2.jpg

[RsxPiimp]

Probably. But maybr some will feel bad thst his dad keeps running his mouth Lonzo doesnt talk much shit ...but tbh if he and Fultz is close its almost to the point of why desl with his shit ...its not like he is LeBron a no doubt about it first pick prospect.

i'm telling you though man, with lavar's mouth, there's immense pressure for lonzo (assuming he ends up with the lakers) to exceed expectations. the hype on this kid is real. unlike the previous draft picks, no one is on lavar's level imo.


reason why I want fultz too. because you know this dude is not going to stop talking and I can already see him blaming lonzo's teammates. it's just going to create an uncomfortable situation for his kid, considering how soft and sensitive today's nba players are.:lol



just weed out the distractions and have an elite prospect. fultz or josh Jackson for me.

[RsxPiimp]

http://terezowens.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/smith-2.jpg

y'know it's all marketing for him and I give him props tbh. but his reasoning is always funny.

"im too big...too strong" :lol

[I. Hustle]

y'know it's all marketing for him and I give him props tbh. but his reasoning is always funny.

"im too big...too strong" :lol

Yeah, I get it. All publicity is good publicity. He is just getting over the top ridiculous though and is going to mess things up for his sons. It's like boxing. Boxers will talk about their opponents wives, kids, dogs, etc before they get into the ring. Then when they get their teeth knocked out, they give the other guy all the credit and say that it's all just part of the game.

I am really curious as to why he thinks his son will only play for the Lakers though. He must really want to keep a tight grip on his boys if he wants to keep them all in the same town.

[Dex]

Just saw that segment on First Take. All I can say is...holy shit. I had to shut it off after like 5 minutes because I just couldn't stand to listen to that hot head anymore.

In that span, he said that in his prime, he would've been able to beat Micheal Jordan 1-on-1. He said that Lonzo is better than Steph Curry right now. And he said that if anybody in his family were to come to him and tell him to shut his big mouth, he would tell them to leave the family.

His personality also makes SAS seem collected and rational in comparison.

What a fucking nutjob. I feel sorry for his kid...that dude is gonna get torched when he enters the NBA and it's gonna be all his daddy's fault.

[Killakobe81]

Hey Baseline think his mouth gonna ruin whatever slim shot we had at winning the title?

[DPG21920]

Dude that was funny - hes just a big personality

[rastaspur]

Claiming? Search my name here and find what people say about me and my sources. Search my contributions here on players never even mentioned let alone broken down like I do.

Bill Walton is one of my favorite analysts because of the crazy shit he says. But the man has lost it and is officially a caricature of his former self. His rants have zero reasoning, and he's the biggest UCLA hyperbolist there is. He can't even isiolate where his true opinion ends and his exaggeration begins.

I've already detailed why the Kidd comps are sloppy at best and lazy at worst.

Don't bother responding if you can't understand logic.

Dont get so offended. I was just teasing you and giving a shout out to my boy.

Contribution or not. He is a hall of famer. You are not. By default his opinion tends to carry more weight . Understand that logic?

I dont agree with walton or any magic comparisons. He is a poor mans penny hardaway (pre injury penny). Not kidd. Not magic. Its a better comparison.

A shorter, less athletic penny witH A KEVIN MARTIN JUMPSHOT.

Also, he has a better feel for the game and better true point guard skills as compared to penny at his age. But not as explosive.

[UZER]

His dad makes me root against him. I know not his fault but still. Hes good, but don't how good he'll be in the NBA.

With that said, his court vision / passing is amazing. He definitely sees the game two steps ahead.

[midnightpulp]

His dad makes me root against him. I know not his fault but still. Hes good, but don't how good he'll be in the NBA.

With that said, his court vision / passing is amazing. He definitely sees the game two steps ahead.

Me too. Hope UCLA gets creamed tomorrow, with Ball playing like shit.

[spurraider21]

His dad makes me root against him.yep. and im a ucla grad (though full disclaimer i never gave a shit about college sports)

[JMarkJohns]

Dont get so offended. I was just teasing you and giving a shout out to my boy.

Contribution or not. He is a hall of famer. You are not. By default his opinion tends to carry more weight . Understand that logic?

I dont agree with walton or any magic comparisons. He is a poor mans penny hardaway (pre injury penny). Not kidd. Not magic. Its a better comparison.

A shorter, less athletic penny witH A KEVIN MARTIN JUMPSHOT.

Also, he has a better feel for the game and better true point guard skills as compared to penny at his age. But not as explosive.

So because he was a brilliant player, a drug-addled mind is given a pass when he's inaccurate?

And, yes, I like the better shooting Penny comp. I've made it elsewhere.

[ambchang]

gonzo's dad talks waay too much. his son is gonna get killed in the pros

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLZRpQxmXRo

:lol

Those two are an embarrassment to African Americans.

[rastaspur]

So because he was a brilliant player, a drug-addled mind is given a pass when he's inaccurate?

And, yes, I like the better shooting Penny comp. I've made it elsewhere.

Public perception is what it is. Bill is a clown at this point. I understand that. Still love the guy though.

[Spurs9]

The first take episode was hilarious tbh

[StrengthAndHonor]

Those two are an embarrassment to African Americans.
Uhm. They are not though.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Me too. Hope UCLA gets creamed tomorrow, with Ball playing like shit.
It's a big game. UK is favored and all eyes are on Lonzo.

[JMarkJohns]

Public perception is what it is. Bill is a clown at this point. I understand that. Still love the guy though.

Agreed, he's fun. He's your crazy uncle who barely survived the 60s but somehow has thrived since and has all the confidence in the world in his opinion.

But if Bill says a Volkswagon Beetle flew us to the moon to find space rocks that the government now uses to cast magic spells on the populace, it doesn't make it true just because we did fly to the moon, brought back rocks, and the government seemingly convinces stupid people to vote stupid.

Coincidental isn't causal; and my point was looking at outcome stats, even if similar, doesn't equal causation or actuality. Similar outcomes don't indicate similar means.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Agreed, he's fun. He's your crazy uncle who barely survived the 60s but somehow has thrived since and has all the confidence in the world in his opinion.

But if Bill says a Volkswagon Beetle flew us to the moon to find space rocks that the government now uses to cast magic spells on the populace, it doesn't make it true just because we did fly to the moon, brought back rocks, and the government seemingly convinces stupid people to vote stupid.

Coincidental isn't causal; and my point was looking at outcome stats, even if similar, doesn't equal causation or actuality. Similar outcomes don't indicate similar means.

You seem to be very knowledgeable for the most part with NCAA prospects. What do you think of Monk? Steal or bust?

[StrengthAndHonor]

i'm telling you though man, with lavar's mouth, there's immense pressure for lonzo (assuming he ends up with the lakers) to exceed expectations. the hype on this kid is real. unlike the previous draft picks, no one is on lavar's level imo.


reason why I want fultz too. because you know this dude is not going to stop talking and I can already see him blaming lonzo's teammates. it's just going to create an uncomfortable situation for his kid, considering how soft and sensitive today's nba players are.:lol



just weed out the distractions and have an elite prospect. fultz or josh Jackson for me.

I feel like Fultz will get you numbers but there's no sense of accountability and little leadership in him. Huskies are a poorly constructed team, I get it, but Fultz doesn't appear to care much as long as he gets his numbers.


He's this years draft Ben Simmons. Elite player with no drive or fire.

[Chucho]

He's this years draft Ben Simmons. Elite player with no drive or fire.

How many games has Simmons played this year that lead you to that conclusion??

[StrengthAndHonor]

How many games has Simmons played this year that lead you to that conclusion??

Sorry, I was referring about his freshman year in LSU.

[DMC]

15 seconds of faggot fame. SAS was embarrassed to be part of it and that's pretty low for that media whore.

[JMarkJohns]

You seem to be very knowledgeable for the most part with NCAA prospects. What do you think of Monk? Steal or bust?

Monk is my favorite Kentucky prospect since the Towns/Booker draft.

He has near elite athleticism, and while skinny, seems to be able to handle lane contesting when he drives. To this point he's been more of an off-ball scorer, but he has facilitation skills, and when his shot is falling he could be incredible.

To me, he's a Jamal Crawford type of player. But I think his upside is tremendous and where Crawford had mental or physical limitations, I don't see those with Monk.

Now, he's a bit streaky, and often relies too heavily on perimeter shots, but college ball doesn't have the lanes the NBA will have.

Philly would be very smart to draft him as a high-level scorer. Minnesota or Sacramento as well. Lakers need PG or Big, and Celtics will take best talent, or a big man, I think.

Suns probably don't need him, but would likely shop that pick to a team who covets him.

While I get why most consider Tatum a better prospect, I think it's mostly size based. I think Tatum is a ball stopper and a throw back scorer, while Monk fits nicely with most modern systems. I'd have Monk 4 on my list of prospects, just ahead of Tatum and Markennan, but behind Jackson, Ball, Fultz.

[JMarkJohns]

I feel like Fultz will get you numbers but there's no sense of accountability and little leadership in him. Huskies are a poorly constructed team, I get it, but Fultz doesn't appear to care much as long as he gets his numbers.


He's this years draft Ben Simmons. Elite player with no drive or fire.

Actually, Fultz has had to work his ass off to get to this point. Two years ago he wasn't considered even an elite prospect. Ball has always been.

Of the two, I'm more concerned about Ball taking plays off, especially defensively, but I've seen him not push when pushing was necessary on offense at times too.

Fultz, is quiet, doesn't demand attention, and can appear lax, but I think he's more deliberate, more probing, more analytical in his attack. He played through some minor injuries throughout the season as well.

Neither is a big concern, however. Outside of Ball Sr, is have no problem drafting either.

Smith is the empty stats guy to me. I've seen that guy disappear a bunch when it mattered.

[Killakobe81]

Monk is my favorite Kentucky prospect since the Towns/Booker draft.

He has near elite athleticism, and while skinny, seems to be able to handle lane contesting when he drives. To this point he's been more of an off-ball scorer, but he has facilitation skills, and when his shot is falling he could be incredible.

To me, he's a Jamal Crawford type of player. But I think his upside is tremendous and where Crawford had mental or physical limitations, I don't see those with Monk.

Now, he's a bit streaky, and often relies too heavily on perimeter shots, but college ball doesn't have the lanes the NBA will have.

Philly would be very smart to draft him as a high-level scorer. Minnesota or Sacramento as well. Lakers need PG or Big, and Celtics will take best talent, or a big man, I think.

Suns probably don't need him, but would likely shop that pick to a team who covets him.

While I get why most consider Tatum a better prospect, I think it's mostly size based. I think Tatum is a ball stopper and a throw back scorer, while Monk fits nicely with most modern systems. I'd have Monk 4 on my list of prospects, just ahead of Tatum and Markennan, but behind Jackson, Ball, Fultz.

I prefer Fox not a fan of undersized SGs like Monk even though his stroke is legit and he is a sneaky good athlete ...
Fox has a first step that is Wall like ...but we shall see many scouts prefer Monk and Fox needs to fix his jumper

[Killakobe81]

Good game Fox monk Ball all making plays now ...

[JMarkJohns]

Monk has an elite skill. His shooting is real fucking nice.

Fox is very skilled as a slasher. But I don't see a plus facilitation factor from the slashing. So I worry he's an elite slasher without the vision or shooting to round it out.

Both have real nice upside. I don't think either is an ideal PG, and so I'll go with Monk.

[baseline bum]

If UCLA had Steph Curry instead of Ball you think they'd be winning right now?

[Killakobe81]

If UCLA had Steph Curry instead of Ball you think they'd be winning right now?

Told you Bum, his mouth was gonna hurt us...
So i picked kentucky in my bracket.

[daslicer]

Monk has an elite skill. His shooting is real fucking nice.

Fox is very skilled as a slasher. But I don't see a plus facilitation factor from the slashing. So I worry he's an elite slasher without the vision or shooting to round it out.

Both have real nice upside. I don't think either is an ideal PG, and so I'll go with Monk.

Interesting assessment on Fox. I don't watch much college basketball except for the tournament and conference tournament games so I don't know much about these guys scouting wise. This is my first time watching a full Kentucky game this year and from what I have seen from Fox he seems like he has good first step and can drive and penetrate to the hole but doesn't seem like a real PG. He comes across to me as an undersized SG.

[Monostradamus]

Someone is photoshopping Crying Jordan on Lavar Ball as we speak.

[Silver&Black]

Was Ball hurt? Did he get injured earlier in the game?

I just caught the last 2 minutes (game was basically over) and he was noticeably limping around.

[Spurs9]

Done
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7vEHO0UwAAkByq.jpg

[Mikeanaro]

Loudmouth had it coming.

[RsxPiimp]

If UCLA had Steph Curry instead of Ball you think they'd be winning right now?

..curry took a bunch of investment bankers further in the tourney

[RsxPiimp]

1st rakenis gonna be hilarious hope lavar's fat ass comes back in the show

[JMarkJohns]

Interesting assessment on Fox. I don't watch much college basketball except for the tournament and conference tournament games so I don't know much about these guys scouting wise. This is my first time watching a full Kentucky game this year and from what I have seen from Fox he seems like he has good first step and can drive and penetrate to the hole but doesn't seem like a real PG. He comes across to me as an undersized SG.

Fox has an elite 1st step. But he's so skinny and not much of a shooter, without true facilitation skills I worry he'll be little more than impact role player off the bench. Maybe 6th Man quality, but hard to start a PG who isn't a PG no matter how Elite his dribble drive is.

Monk can shoot. He can carry a quarter, a half, a game.

He needs consistency, or at least a more efficient baseline, but Monk has a true skill that works as a starter and he can also pass off the drive at a Comboguard level.

[Robz4000]

It's looking like the only player with real star potential from what I've seen is Josh Jackson tbh. Lot of quality NBA players though.

[JMarkJohns]

It's looking like the only player with real star potential from what I've seen is Josh Jackson tbh. Lot of quality NBA players though.

Fultz has everything needed to be a rich-man's Bledsoe, which would be an All-Star.
Ball will have that Jason White Chocolate Williams hype about him, but I think Ball is a better decision maker, so even if not a technical All-Star, he'll have impact of one.
Jackson hasn't shown an ability to facilitate his own offense yet. He can pass, but he isn't a creator. He's a middle-man and finisher. An elite one, but he has shown a ceiling.

But as a Suns fan, I'd be more than happy to draft Jackson.

[Killakobe81]

Fultz has everything needed to be a rich-man's Bledsoe, which would be an All-Star.
Ball will have that Jason White Chocolate Williams hype about him, but I think Ball is a better decision maker, so even if not a technical All-Star, he'll have impact of one.
Jackson hasn't shown an ability to facilitate his own offense yet. He can pass, but he isn't a creator. He's a middle-man and finisher. An elite one, but he has shown a ceiling.

But as a Suns fan, I'd be more than happy to draft Jackson.

Any of the 3 u wouls be happy to have i wouldnt mind Tatum either

[RsxPiimp]

Any of the 3 u wouls be happy to have i wouldnt mind Tatum either

is tatum really a top 3 pick talent?

[JMarkJohns]

is tatum really a top 3 pick talent?

Tatum is talented, but isn't the athlete with upside that Jackson is at SF, but does have actual isolation-offense skills, so that's a plus. He's a so-so defender, but could be good. On the right team, I think he has solid 2nd Option upside, like a bigger Brandon Roy.

[Robz4000]

Tatum is Tobias Harris 2.0

[JMarkJohns]

Tatum is Tobias Harris 2.0

I can see this as well. I do think he's more talented, but he's a first class ball stopper in a league where offenses are mostly passing/motion based.

[LkrFan]

http://terezowens.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/smith-2.jpg

:lol

[spurraider21]

have harlem and apa already voiced their support for lavar ball as an outspoken black man?

[midnightpulp]

have harlem and apa already voiced their support for lavar ball as an outspoken black man?

:lol

[Killakobe81]

Monk has an elite skill. His shooting is real fucking nice.

Fox is very skilled as a slasher. But I don't see a plus facilitation factor from the slashing. So I worry he's an elite slasher without the vision or shooting to round it out.

Both have real nice upside. I don't think either is an ideal PG, and so I'll go with Monk.

Fox as i posted in another thread isnt top 5 but next BPA His first step and speed reminds me of young Tony Parker. But i think he can be a better defender. His jumper needs work but so did Tony's i know its a big if to expect him to improve as much as Tony did and he probably wont fall to the Spurs ...but carlisle and Mavs would be a good fit.
As for his playmaking Russ wasnt a great playmaker in HS or UCLA he was never even the backuo PG for the Bruins yet he drops 15 assists on the regular
After the top 5 give me Fox

[lebomb]

This mufucka wasnt even the best PG in the sweet 16.

[Mal]

De`Aron Fox impressed me. Guy have so much upside. I don`t see much upside in Ball`s game. In Ball you`ve got what you see. Fox can be Westbrook type of freakish athletic PG.

[RsxPiimp]

hope the lakers dont pick ball if they keep the pick. i'd rather have josh jackson above ball tbh.

[StrengthAndHonor]

"Markelle's a great player, but I feel I'm better than him," said Ball. "I think I can lead a team better than him," Ball added. "Obviously he's a great scorer -- he's a great player, so I'm not taking that away from him."

Hatd to argue with him tbh.

[LittleCriminal]

Am i the only person who thinks these Ball kids are whack?

[midnightpulp]

Am i the only person who thinks these Ball kids are whack?

No. Overrated. Longo's younger brother cherry picked the entire game, playing no defense, to score his "record" 92 points.

[lebomb]

"Markelle's a great player, but I feel I'm better than him," said Ball. "I think I can lead a team better than him," Ball added. "Obviously he's a great scorer -- he's a great player, so I'm not taking that away from him."

Hatd to argue with him tbh.


I would LOVE to see how he feels he compares to Fox.

[StrengthAndHonor]

I would LOVE to see how he feels he compares to Fox.:claw

[FkLA]

Am i the only person who thinks these Ball kids are whack?

The middle kid is absolute trash. Overweight and unathlethic. Should be playing baseball imo. The only reason he has a D1 offer is bc it helped land Lonzo. Seriously look up his highlights and it's apparent right away that he isn't worth a shit. The dude has the audacity to say he will be one and done in college too smh. People like to say the youngest one will be the best of them all but I don't see it. Not with his shitty cherry picking, chucking attitude. They lost in the state semifinal and those two shot like 25% combined, including like 40 threes. :lol

I honestly think only Lonzo will make it into the NBA, tbh.

[Killakobe81]

The middle kid is absolute trash. Overweight and unathlethic. Should be playing baseball imo. The only reason he has a D1 offer is bc it helped land Lonzo. Seriously look up his highlights and it's apparent right away that he isn't worth a shit. The dude has the audacity to say he will be one and done in college too smh. People like to say the youngest one will be the best of them all but I don't see it. Not with his shitty cherry picking, chucking attitude. They lost in the state semifinal and those two shot like 25% combined, including like 40 threes. :lol

I honestly think only Lonzo will make it into the NBA, tbh.

Agree middle one is far from one and done i dont see him even starting as a frosh. And i dont think he gets drafted. I do think the youngest has a cgance to be good since he will only be a junior next year and can still grow.

Basically i agree with McGrady who said the same on Countdown...which is scary cuz i think he sux as a analyst.

Lonzo will be good but when i compared to kidd i said poor man's maybe it should be homeless man's Kidd...but maybe he proves me wrong.

[midnightpulp]

The middle kid is absolute trash. Overweight and unathlethic. Should be playing baseball imo. The only reason he has a D1 offer is bc it helped land Lonzo. Seriously look up his highlights and it's apparent right away that he isn't worth a shit. The dude has the audacity to say he will be one and done in college too smh. People like to say the youngest one will be the best of them all but I don't see it. Not with his shitty cherry picking, chucking attitude. They lost in the state semifinal and those two shot like 25% combined, including like 40 threes. :lol

I honestly think only Lonzo will make it into the NBA, tbh.

Maybe LaVar can forcefeed him and try to get him onto the Bruin Obeseball squad.

[StrengthAndHonor]

I am really curious as to why he thinks his son will only play for the Lakers though. He must really want to keep a tight grip on his boys if he wants to keep them all in the same town.
Lonzo Ball was asked whether he would prefer to be drafted first overall or play for the Los Angeles Lakers.
"I'm going to go with the Lakers," said Ball. "All my family is in L.A so to be able to play in front of them would mean more."
Ball is widely expected to be a top-2 pick in the draft.
The Boston Celtics, Phoenix Suns, Los Angeles Lakers, Orlando Magic, Philadelphia 76ers and New York Knicks are in the best position to land a top-2 pick.

[I. Hustle]

The guy is such an entitled little bitch. Millions of dollars to play a kids game. I hope that Phoenix or Philadelphia get that little bitch.
He shouldn't say that stuff in public. To reporters and everyone else he should just say that he would just be happy to play in the NBA and the rest is just gravy. Then he can puss out and throw his little tantrums behind closed doors.

[Robz4000]

The guy is such an entitled little bitch. Millions of dollars to play a kids game. I hope that Phoenix or Philadelphia get that little bitch.
He shouldn't say that stuff in public. To reporters and everyone else he should just say that he would just be happy to play in the NBA and the rest is just gravy. Then he can puss out and throw his little tantrums behind closed doors.

I want the Lakers to get him (if they somehow keep their pick). Him and his father will continue that franchise's descent into the abyss.

[JMarkJohns]

I don't want Ball on the Suns. I want Jackson or Tatum.

[StrengthAndHonor]

I don't want Ball on the Suns. I want Jackson or Tatum.
Fultz?

[lebomb]

I want the Lakers to get him (if they somehow keep their pick). Him and his father will continue that franchise's descent into the abyss.

Yeah, that would be epic!!! He can tell Magic how much better his son is than he was. He can tell the Lakers there are too many crackas on the team. He can then ask for the first 285 million dollar contract for Lonza after the summer league.

:claw :lmao

[Robz4000]

I don't want Ball on the Suns. I want Jackson or Tatum.

For the Suns' sake I hope they aren't dumb enough to draft Tatum.

[JMarkJohns]

Fultz?

It assumes they don't land 1. I'll take Fultz #1.

[JMarkJohns]

For the Suns' sake I hope they aren't dumb enough to draft Tatum.

His 2nd half was pretty incredible. Once his injury healed, he did everything people expected of him, and he's a big, strong SF at a position of need.

[StrengthAndHonor]

It assumes they don't land 1. I'll take Fultz #1.
Booker and Fultz backcourt, man, that would be dope AF.

[Robz4000]

His 2nd half was pretty incredible. Once his injury healed, he did everything people expected of him, and he's a big, strong SF at a position of need.

He's gonna be an undersized PF in the NBA imo. He just isn't mobile enough to play SF and I'm not confident he'll ever have an NBA 3-point shot. Like I said, Tobias Harris 2.0.

[StrengthAndHonor]

He's gonna be an undersized PF in the NBA imo. He just isn't mobile enough to play SF and I'm not confident he'll ever have an NBA 3-point shot. Like I said, Tobias Harris 2.0.
Tobias is under utilized IMO but yeah, I think Tatum is not a Top 3 pick.

[JMarkJohns]

I will be curious to see his numbers at the combine. In high school he was never an athlete, but always seemed quick. But he did look slow last year. But I also know how psychological injuries can be, especially when you don't want to screw something up before your payday.

[Kool Bob Love]

The middle kid is absolute trash. Overweight and unathlethic. Should be # baseball imo. The only reason he has a D1 offer is bc it helped land Lonzo. Seriously look up his highlights and it's apparent right away that he isn't worth a shit. The dude has the audacity to say he will be one and done in college too smh. People like to say the youngest one will be the best of them all but I don't see it. Not with his shitty cherry picking, chucking attitude. They lost in the state semifinal and those two shot like 25% combined, including like 40 threes. :lol

I honestly think only Lonzo will make it into the NBA, tbh.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKN32-uaJM8

[FkLA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKN32-uaJM8

I've seen that before. Please tell me you don't believe what that vid is saying. :lol

[lebomb]

I've seen that before. Please tell me you don't believe what that vid is saying. :lol

Did Lavar market this video? :lmao

[DMC]

I think in 3 years, Ball will easily surpass today's best PG.


CP3 is declining, Kyrie is one dimensional, ditto in Isaiah. I can't consider John Wall and Lillard to be in the upper echelon. Curry, probably will hit a decline.


The Lakers could end up with a taller, more athletic version of Jason Kidd.



Never seen an athlete with this much hype but has the tools and skills to back it up since Lebron, tbh.


#powershift

:lol

[benefactor]

L:lolng:lol

[Rusty]

is OP magic johnson? :lol

[R. DeMurre]

At this point, I doubt the Knicks would even consider a Mudiay for Ball offer....

[Kurgan]

is OP magic johnson? :lol

Chinese Magic Johnson maybe.

Most ridiculous thing was saying he's the best prospect since Lebron. lol

[BD24]

Strength and Honor is a fucking idiot. The guy also thought dangelo was gonna a top 5 guard in the league during year 2 :lol

[BD24]

The same douche that scored a shit 8 points in the tourney final with a percentage that would make Greatest Beta Ever's % seem outer-worldly in a positive manner?

The same Lonzo Ball who's father is going to cost him a spot where he is drafted and basically derail his career before it begins? The father that thinks his unproven Highschool sons and his son at UCLA that choked on the big stage are worth a $1 billion shoe endorsement? The father smokes rock obviously and will be a major part of why this kid will have a career that will be more like D Russ than Russ Westbrook. Dude has Mike Beasley levels of Bust all over him.
Chucho with the goods

[Chucho]

The best thing about Kang coming to be a TOSB in LA is that LaVar's fat face is shut the fuck up this year.

[Chucho]

...and it's also because the media knows his son is a worthless piece of shit like him.

[Laker_1995]

...and it's also because the media knows his son is a worthless piece of shit like him.

Yall niggas lame af. Like fr Lmao

[Chucho]

:cry Don't make fun of my team :cry

[Laker_1995]

Your so funny bro.

[Chucho]

Your so funny bro.


Bend over, I'll give you funny.

[Laker_1995]

Bend over, I'll give you funny.

You ain’t packing shit nigga. Niggas like you drown in my shit

[BD24]

You ain’t packing shit nigga. Niggas like you drown in my shit
Are you saying you have a huge gaping ass hole that niggas drown in? Thats what I am reading here.

Kind of disturbing, but hey if your proud of your ass hole good for you.

[Chucho]

Are you saying you have a huge gaping ass hole that niggas drown in? Thats what I am reading here.

Kind of disturbing, but hey if your proud of your ass hole good for you.

Yeah. I'm not fucking with someone who is bragging about their ample butthole space and the over abundance of fecal matter warehoused in said space.

Not sure he thought it thru or he just is quite literally a massive faggoy and very proud of said faggotry.

[Laker_1995]

Yeah. I'm not fucking with someone who is bragging about their ample butthole space and the over abundance of fecal matter warehoused in said space.

Not sure he thought it thru or he just is quite literally a massive faggoy and very proud of said faggotry.

you seem intimidated

[140]

:lol OP

[Clipper Nation]

Strength and Honor is a fucking idiot. The guy also thought dangelo was gonna a top 5 guard in the league during year 2 :lol
He's a bigger Laker shill than Laker fans :lol

[phxspurfan]

LOL this thread. Hype machine fails again. Now go to China Big Baller and let the real men play.

[ambchang]

LOL this thread. Hype machine fails again. Now go to China Big Baller and let the real men play.

Jimmer not real enough for you?

[StrengthAndHonor]

Amazing how Lonzo controlled the pace last night. This is not to say the Lakers are better without Lebron but he’s definitely holding Zo back. If it was up to me, I’d rather have Paul George (which fits the Lakers timeline better) plus another max FA next year.


The silver lining of course is if Lebron and his agency finds a way to bring AD to the Lakers but if that doesn’t happen, expect the Lakers to cave in and mortgage their future to fit Lebron’s agenda.

[StrengthAndHonor]

...and can we please stop comparing Lonzo’s shooting with a younger J Kidd. Y’all are embarrassing with these shit takes :lol

[StrengthAndHonor]

https://youtu.be/9eGOUqIm4_g

https://youtu.be/Jeygq06Roo4

https://youtu.be/zdq178PwmRk

Young king :worthy:

[benefactor]

Y’all are embarrassing with these shit takes :lol
:lol

[StrengthAndHonor]

:lol
Ok. Thanks for stopping by.

[ambchang]

Is this like the S&H version of that Jimmer thread? Kept pimping a scrub for no reason.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Is this like the S&H version of that Jimmer thread? Kept pimping a scrub for no reason.
Far from a scrub. He’s a project that has shown immense potential to be a great player in this league.

[ambchang]

Far from a scrub. He’s a project that has shown immense potential to be a great player in this league.

Ok. Apologies. Probably shouldn’t compare him to Jimmer. But I don’t think he’d ever be a great player. I think he can be a fantastic role player, or even a contributor to a title team. But he’d be a Robert Horry Bruce Bowen type instead of a ginobili or kobe type.

[Raven]

Ok. Apologies. Probably shouldn’t compare him to Jimmer. But I don’t think he’d ever be a great player. I think he can be a fantastic role player, or even a contributor to a title team. But he’d be a Robert Horry Bruce Bowen type instead of a ginobili or kobe type.

on what grounds tbh.. like it's not a matter of opinion, the flaws in his game and personality on both ends are not disputable.

[BD24]

OP is one of the biggest retards on ST when it comes to judging talent

[ambchang]

on what grounds tbh.. like it's not a matter of opinion, the flaws in his game and personality on both ends are not disputable.

I think he has skills to contribute in a very niche environment. A role player in a very strict sense of the word. His major flaw is obviously his shooting which is the most important aspect of any player nowadays but if a team he’s on can have enough scorers he can be a perimeter Draymond Green type player where he can d up, shoot wide open threes and perhaps even direct the offense in a pinch.

That said, it has to be pretty much a perfect situation and chmpionships aren’t built around role players. And by any measure, he’s a bust. A second pick should be a fringe all star or at least not a total liability that can’t be played. This is more like mid to late first rounder type talent.

[Raven]

I think he has skills to contribute in a very niche environment. A role player in a very strict sense of the word. His major flaw is obviously his shooting which is the most important aspect of any player nowadays but if a team he’s on can have enough scorers he can be a perimeter Draymond Green type player where he can d up, shoot wide open threes and perhaps even direct the offense in a pinch.

That said, it has to be pretty much a perfect situation and chmpionships aren’t built around role players. And by any measure, he’s a bust. A second pick should be a fringe all star or at least not a total liability that can’t be played. This is more like mid to late first rounder type talent.
while him being a bust is already a done deal, that does not mean he can't carve out an nba career. I do have trouble seeing what role can that be though. Because the passing/defense skills that he is being given, are manufactured and average at best.

[ambchang]

while him being a bust is already a done deal, that does not mean he can't carve out an nba career. I do have trouble seeing what role can that be though. Because the passing/defense skills that he is being given, are manufactured and average at best.

Well. I think it’s at least decent. It’s not all nba level and seriously if he didn’t play for the lakers he’d be another Michael Kidd gilchrist. Solid defensive player with major offensive flaws. But he does have value in the right environment, I think he can be a solid contributor in a 7th man or a defensive specialist starter role.

His defense is solid but not like he’s prime pippen or anything though. His passing is above par for someone who has no their real offensive skills. It’s a somewhat unique combination of skills.

[StrengthAndHonor]

1078873339496681473
140 lurking :lol

[Mr. Body]

1078873339496681473
140 lurking :lol

Meh, that's a pretty easy play to make.

[DAF86]

1078873339496681473
140 lurking :lol

hijxjJ--Uho

[HarlemHeat37]

Lonzo had 3 airballs in the 1st half..not sure if I've ever seen that before:lol

[StrengthAndHonor]

18,8,5 49% FG since Lebron went down.

[BD24]

https://media.giphy.com/media/aSTJbOerwCKqc/giphy.gif

[RsxPiimp]

tbh, in hindsight there’s a lot of horrible takes in this thread and they’re not just from lakerfans :lol

[spurraider21]

tbh, in hindsight there’s a lot of horrible takes in this thread and they’re not just from lakerfans :lol
strengthandhonor is a lakerfan too, in case that's the exception you're thinkin about

[StrengthAndHonor]

1082495863392329728
:toast

[DPG21920]

He’s obviously got some talent; just not the type that changes a teams fortune. He Only sucks in context of the hype and where he was drafted but it’s not like he’s a fringe nba player.

[Cry Havoc]

Ball's got a lot of ability. He'll definitely be a good guard for years to come.

The best PG in the league? That still seems like a stretch.

[BD24]

1082495863392329728
:toast
I knew this faggot would show up when Lonzo has his one good game every 2 weeks. To be preceded by 4 shit games.

[StrengthAndHonor]

“1” good game :lmao

1082655427794518016

[BD24]

So those are the kind of numbers the best pg in the nba puts up. Wow standards sure have changed over the years.

on a side note I see you forgot to add the fg% , ft%, and 3p% for the season and last 20. I wonder why that is

[StrengthAndHonor]

Here’s the backpedaling :lol

I said year 3. This is his second season. That’s basic math, ya dum-dum.

[BD24]

Here’s the backpedaling :lol

I said year 3. This is his second season. That’s basic math, ya dum-dum.
So next year he is gonna be the best pg in the league? Will make sure to bump this next year then and see what your excuse is tbh

[RsxPiimp]

So next year he is gonna be the best pg in the league? Will make sure to bump this next year then and see what your excuse is tbh

zo will never be in that conversation imo:lol

huge liability having a guard that shoots below 50% at the line.

[Brazil]

Best PG in the league next year ?

:lmao

Curry will play center next year ?

what a fucking retard :lmao

[Brazil]

a 10 pts 5 assists efg% below 50 dude will be best PG in the league next year

omfg :lol

[lebomb]

Shit, he isnt even the best point guard on the Lakers.

[BD24]

Shit, he isnt even the best point guard on the Lakers.
Right :lol

the corpse of rajan Rondo makes him look like a scrub on a regular basis :lol

[Laker_1995]

We gonna be alright . I’m in too deep since I’ve praised Lonzo already but as long as he’s riding with us ima support. We good

[BD24]

We gonna be alright . I’m in too deep since I’ve praised Lonzo already but as long as he’s riding with us ima support. We good
How about those numbers though

”screenshot this blood” :lol

[Laker_1995]

How about those numbers though

”screenshot this blood” :lol


haha hey man this dude still got time to raise that shit up. I ain’t backing down.

[Killakobe81]

Best PG?
Needs a lot of work just to be the best PG in his class without a doubt.


But those that don't see flashes (of at LEAST very good) in the sequence last night where he blocked the shot on one end and threw a pinpoint bounce pass between defenders from near half-court ...are just hating.
and that from is from BOTH Laker fans amd Laker haters.

Dude needs to work on:
Ft's
deferring to much
Floaters
Pull up from mid-range
finishing with his dominant hand (he likes to finish with his left)
stop changing his shooting motion in game needs to fins a form and committ to it ...

Love his defense, his vision, rebounding, hustle and that he doesnt pund the air out of the ball ...

But to many holes right now to even say he can be a starter on a title team, much less a star in the league.

[Arcadian]

Never.

[Laker_1995]

Never.

never say never my love

[Arcadian]

never say never my love

...Unless the question is whether Lonzo Ball will be the best PG in the NBA. Then you can totally say never. :lol

[KobeScored81]

I think Lonzo will surprise a lot of people next season. A full summer to work on his game will be huge for him.

I’m pretty sure he will be better than Brandon Ingram. Ingram is dog shit. He doesn’t show any flashes of greatness imo. Lonzo at least has moments where you can see an elite player inside of him, it’s just a matter of whether he can overcome his mental demons and unleash his full potential.

People tend to forget he had an incredible season at UCLA. For a freshman guard he was as good as it gets.

The athleticism is there, the IQ is there, the defense and passing is there. He shows glimpses of being able to dissect a defense whether it be off the pick & roll or just penetration from a quick first step.

I wouldn’t count him out just yet. Yes the shooting is worrisome. His FT and overall shooting needs to improve drastically. Just saying, in the near future I can see him becoming a real threat off the dribble and using his size to bully past smaller defenders inside

[hater]

Whitetrash >>> Gonzo Testicle

[Laker_1995]

Whitetrash >>> Gonzo Testicle

i agree id take yo moms over him too

[lebomb]

I think Lonzo will surprise a lot of people next season. A full summer to work on his game will be huge for him.

I’m pretty sure he will be better than Brandon Ingram. Ingram is dog shit. He doesn’t show any flashes of greatness imo. Lonzo at least has moments where you can see an elite player inside of him, it’s just a matter of whether he can overcome his mental demons and unleash his full potential.

People tend to forget he had an incredible season at UCLA. For a freshman guard he was as good as it gets.

The athleticism is there, the IQ is there, the defense and passing is there. He shows glimpses of being able to dissect a defense whether it be off the pick & roll or just penetration from a quick first step.

I wouldn’t count him out just yet. Yes the shooting is worrisome. His FT and overall shooting needs to improve drastically. Just saying, in the near future I can see him becoming a real threat off the dribble and using his size to bully past smaller defenders inside

Sorry dude but I don’t see none of the shit you are talking about. I think Allonzo looks horrible. I don’t see any flashes of any kind of greatness myself.

[Mr. Body]

Invisi-Ball.

[horseshue]

I think Lonzo will surprise a lot of people next season. A full summer to work on his game will be huge for him.

I’m pretty sure he will be better than Brandon Ingram. Ingram is dog shit. He doesn’t show any flashes of greatness imo. Lonzo at least has moments where you can see an elite player inside of him, it’s just a matter of whether he can overcome his mental demons and unleash his full potential.

People tend to forget he had an incredible season at UCLA. For a freshman guard he was as good as it gets.

The athleticism is there, the IQ is there, the defense and passing is there. He shows glimpses of being able to dissect a defense whether it be off the pick & roll or just penetration from a quick first step.

I wouldn’t count him out just yet. Yes the shooting is worrisome. His FT and overall shooting needs to improve drastically. Just saying, in the near future I can see him becoming a real threat off the dribble and using his size to bully past smaller defenders inside

Next year is probably his last chance to establish himself as an NBA player. If not, he will probably end up somewere in China playing with Jimmer. What he showed in ucla doesnt realy matter. Dude was playing against future lawyers and dentists. And also his size that you mentioned isnt realy such a big factor, since league average guard size is growing. Aint that many midget elite guards left in a league. He won't be able to use that size against Simmons or Doncic.

[BD24]

I'm beginning to think that OP meant he would be the best backup point guard in the league next year, even that is questionable at this point though.

[Corporal_Upham]

I'm beginning to think that OP meant he would be the best backup point guard in the league next year, even that is questionable at this point though.
What an equally retarded take, if we’re being honest.

[Laker_1995]

I'm beginning to think that OP meant he would be the best backup point guard in the league next year, even that is questionable at this point though.


Fucken moron lol

[KobeScored81]

I promise Lonzo will be a star in this league. His IQ, instincts, defense and passing is undeniable. When he shows flashes of being able to take over like he did tonight it only proves my point.

Haters are gonna say he’s Ricky Rubio or Patrick Beverley though. And that’s fine. It takes a real basketball mind to know that Lonzo is a unique talent. Give him some time. He will be a different player with an entire summer to work out his flaws. He wasn’t even able to do anything last summer due to injury

[Mr. Body]

He's not unique. He has some skills. I don't think he'll be bad. Actually needs to work, though. But he keeps making plays that are borderline mentally impaired. He'll play well and then did shit that would make a JV coach sit him.

[Laker_1995]

He's not unique. He has some skills. I don't think he'll be bad. Actually needs to work, though. But he keeps making plays that are borderline mentally impaired. He'll play well and then did shit that would make a JV coach sit him.


that foul on westbrick was fucken stupid but after the review he shouldn’t have gotten those free throws. The refs helped those overrated faggets and still lost. PG gunna regret staying with that ball hogging fuck for 4 years.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

:lol today's nba :lol advanced stats :lol jury still out tbh

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/lonzo-ball/

https://i.ibb.co/99WkgK2/lonzo-carmelo.jpg

[Killakobe81]

He's not unique. He has some skills. I don't think he'll be bad. Actually needs to work, though. But he keeps making plays that are borderline mentally impaired. He'll play well and then did shit that would make a JV coach sit him.

That was not a shooting foul.
Again even Nba said it was a mistake.
Lonzo is to nice and should have wrapped him instea dof tagging him.
He was being sportsman like instead of being more cut throat was not a mentally impaired play.

Luke asked himn to foul he did.
Not a bad decisoion by Luke, but once the clock is under 5 seconds ... I would have called it off and advise them as a coach not to foul at that point ...

[Mr. Body]

that foul on westbrick was fucken stupid but after the review he shouldn’t have gotten those free throws. The refs helped those overrated faggets and still lost. PG gunna regret staying with that ball hogging fuck for 4 years.

That's not the play in talking about. Every game he'll whip a behind the back pass into the stands. Last night he leaped into the air and bounce passed it out of bounds with no where to go. This is middle school shit. They few defensive possessions he sort of fades out and completely loses everybody. Either he's not right in the head or just plain badly coached. Probably had nobody to tell him to play right and still doesn't.

[DMC]

:lol today's nba :lol advanced stats :lol jury still out tbh

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/lonzo-ball/

https://i.ibb.co/99WkgK2/lonzo-carmelo.jpg

Isiah Thomas on that list? :lol

[BD24]

Fucken moron lol
I agree, S&H is a fucken moron. Your dumb ass still pumping this piece of shit Lonzo :lol

[Laker_1995]

That's not the play in talking about. Every game he'll whip a behind the back pass into the stands. Last night he leaped into the air and bounce passed it out of bounds with no where to go. This is middle school shit. They few defensive possessions he sort of fades out and completely loses everybody. Either he's not right in the head or just plain badly coached. Probably had nobody to tell him to play right and still doesn't.

my fault fam I feel ya. I mean that’s the same shit curry did in the finals behind the back BS but doesn’t make it right.
he does need to clean that up for sure

[lebomb]

I bet money with anyone that DLO will have a better career than Lonzo.

[Killakobe81]

I bet money with anyone that DLO will have a better career than Lonzo.

Shiiiiit... Very possible but I don't think Russell will last we will see. Still doubt he will better than Lonzo and Kuzma so Lakers won regardless even if you don't count Bron

[lebomb]

DLo dropped 40 last night.

[lebomb]

DLo Tatum and Lebron would be sick.

[140]

I bet money with anyone that DLO will have a better career than Lonzo.

I'm not saying you're wrong but that's a pretty safe bet for about 90% of the players in the league tbh

[140]

https://youtu.be/LPLgZsFiVdw

Imagine D'tective with lebron :wow

[Will Hunting]

I promise Lonzo will be a star in this league. His IQ, instincts, defense and passing is undeniable. When he shows flashes of being able to take over like he did tonight it only proves my point.

Haters are gonna say he’s Ricky Rubio or Patrick Beverley though. And that’s fine. It takes a real basketball mind to know that Lonzo is a unique talent. Give him some time. He will be a different player with an entire summer to work out his flaws. He wasn’t even able to do anything last summer due to injury
He deliberately waited to get surgery on his injury as long as possible. He would have had the summer if he didn’t wait, which just shows he’s a lazy piece of shit who isn’t going to work on improving every summer.

[Killakobe81]

He deliberately waited to get surgery on his injury as long as possible. He would have had the summer if he didn’t wait, which just shows he’s a lazy piece of shit who isn’t going to work on improving every summer.

Not true.
He was also given an option to rest and rehab surgery was presented to him as the fastest way to get back. I saw a clip of this on that shitty reality show. Yall need to stop with the lies. Make fun of his historically bad FT shooting or thar he actually better at layups with his off hand, heck I think he may need d a sports psychiatrist tbh..
But no need to say he don't work on his game the fact he got stronger despite the surgery in his knee proves the opposite.
I also would poke fun at his rapping and appearing on shit shows like that drop the mic or whatever that meth hosted show is...

[Will Hunting]

Not true.
He was also given an option to rest and rehab surgery was presented to him as the fastest way to get back. I saw a clip of this on that shitty reality show. Yall need to stop with the lies. Make fun of his historically bad FT shooting or thar he actually better at layups with his off hand, heck I think he may need d a sports psychiatrist tbh..
But no need to say he don't work on his game the fact he got stronger despite the surgery in his knee proves the opposite.
I also would poke fun at his rapping and appearing on shit shows like that drop the mic or whatever that meth hosted show is...
He waited longer than he needed to to get surgery because he was worried about an offseason trade, and he didn’t care that it would mean he would spend less time working on his game, don’t try to slice it any differently.

:lmao watching the BBB reality TV Show

[StrengthAndHonor]

Come on, it’s a contract year for D’Lo, lets be real guys. :lol

[midnightpulp]

:lol

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Now that he's off the Lakers, watch him suddenly turn into Curry overnight.

[LkrFan]

:lol

Nice bump :lol