Why was manu more "popular" than Timmy?

[apalisoc_9]

In the big 3 era, among NBA watchers..HS ballers etc. If you asked 10 guys, spurs fan or not, who their favourite spur...More often, the Answer was Manu Ginobili.

Sure most people who dont watch the NBA would probably recognize the name Duncan more but within the NBA community Ginobili seemed like the most popular out of the three.

Ginobili had crazy marketibility potential, but it wasn't right for Tim to take a backseat in the regard since he was a much superior player...but i've asked way too many people about this, and its evide nt that Ginobili was the popular guy.

Hence why in those years people use to call Ginobili the "exciting" guy.

[Chews]

A slasher is more exciting to watch than someone who jab steps you to death and then banks the ball in... backs you down and then throws a hook over you. I have no doubt Duncan is the best Spur to ever play but the way Ginobli played was just so much fun to watch.

[Spur Bank]

Habla español

[Capt Bringdown]

He talk Mexican.

[Play Boban]

Because he was white, tbh.

[tenbeersbold]

Same reason they gave Manu another two year deal he was barely worth the first offer that he leveraged the Spurs on his last contract shows you his lack of class and his knowing that w/ Timmy gone they needed the Mexican butts he puts in the seats,pretty simple

[davi78239]

He's of Italian ancestry

[GSH]

Clearly because he had more mindless threads started about him on ST. Which is why Kawhi is already the most "popular" Spur of all time. :rolleyes

[apalisoc_9]

Doubt it has anything to do with his ethnicity since most guys like harden, etc are all black.

[Pocho La Pantera]

He was spectacular, that's one of the reasons

[urunobili]

America loves an underdog... Seeing a white kid part of a minority dunk on the enforcers of any team violently, being passionate and with a flair did it... America also loves a winner and if humble even more... #notrocketscience

[313]

he wasn't boring like Timmy

[superbigtime]

Manu is an exciting player and extroverted. Tim is steady and not as exciting and introverted.

[Strategic]

If he is this is a good question. Too bad popularity doesn't win games, as we've witnessed this season.

[RD2191]

He's of Italian ancestry

Aka Mexican

[TMTTRIO]

He's flashy and a very unique player. There's not many players that do the stuff he gets away with. Also there's not many players that will play all out and risk injury to just get the win. By the way if this is it for him then this is a awesome career tribute video. Amazing he was a 57th pick.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pBHuUVdvUyo

[Big Empty]

He's latino. San Antonio is primarily latino. Lets be honest, how many latino's have ever made a name for themselves in the NBA's history? Not very many. Its good to see someone as electrifying as Manu has been since inception make a dent in this this sport and be a role model for the community.

[Solid D]

I agree with others regarding Manu being exciting to watch and very charismatic. For me, David was also more exciting to watch than was Timmy. Also, Manu has eyes in the sides & back of his head. He's very high risk-reward. The entertainment factor & charisma can directly affect popularity.

[elbamba]

Tim Duncan is the greatest Spurs player of all time. Nothing else matters.

[Brazil]

White
Speaks Spanish

[RD2191]

White
Speaks Spanish

Aka Mexican

[Brazil]

Aka Mexican

pretty much

[apalisoc_9]

Again, i doubt this had anything to do with his race...Maybe among the non-nba community.

But among ballers, Ginobili was always more peopluar.

[RD2191]

pretty much

I'm trying to trigger ElNono :lol

[Brazil]

Again, i doubt this had anything to do with his race...Maybe among the non-nba community.

But among ballers, Ginobili was always more peopluar.

Among ballers duncan should be the more popular, he is the one playing the most sound and efficient bb.
He is also the one in top 10 of all time
So it remains that Duncan is an american from Virgin Islands with humble attitude who does not give a shit of media and Manu is mexican, white, has a blog, speaks a lot and is atheist

[rastaspur]

Ginobili is more likeable to the masses, especially latinos, etc. Popularity is pretty much synonymous with likeability and is not directly tied to or correlated to talent or performance.

Tim has been considered and labeled by the media as a whoe as boring. No one could ever spin or sell the bs story that manu is boring. He is the polar opposite.

[cd98]

People take Timmy for granted because he was substance over style. That said, Manu had substance and style. But not as much substance as Tim.

[tmtcsc]

IMO it was because of his chaotic style and the exciting plays he made. But make no mistake, Tim killed his opponents methodically with fundamental moves. That was pretty damn entertaining too.

[Brazil]

I'm trying to trigger ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054) :lol



he is too old for that tbh

:lol

[Raven]

he personifies basketball, it's that simple. He did the type of stuff everyone dreams of doing.

[SpursforSix]

I agree with others regarding Manu being exciting to watch and very charismatic. For me, David was also more exciting to watch than was Timmy. Also, Manu has eyes in the sides & back of his head. He's very high risk-reward. The entertainment factor & charisma can directly affect popularity.

This about sums it up. Any time Manu was on the floor, there was a good chance you were going to see something spectacular. He might have a bad turnover game but there was probably a couple of impossible assists mixed in. And nothing was more exciting than seeing him take it in the lane and dunk over some bigs. It seemed like more times than not, it was in a critical moment in a close game.

Timmy pretty much just went to work every game. Usually nothing spectacular but just consistently dominant. Although I think people underestimate how out of the ordinary some of his moves were. The drop step, the spin, the bank shot. He did things better than most bigs ever. It just doesn't translate to a great highlight reel.

[UZER]

Manu then = exciting

Manu now = dog that won't stop peeing inside

[Mikeanaro]

People love Brazilians.

[Keepin' it real]

Como que why?

[daledondale]

he personifies basketball, it's that simple. He did the type of stuff everyone dreams of doing.AKA dunking on big size niggas.

[Prose]

manus game is more relatable than tim game. He is a guard. Plus he has the connection of representing latin america

[PingPong]

:blah:blah:blah

I don't think Manu is popular just because he is latino. He's popular because he is a winner. He's the one who led a bunch of nobodys from a country without any tradition in basketball to an olympic gold medal. Manu is well known for being a cool person too. Mostly latinos don't like other latinos. Mexicans don't like puertorricans, brazilians and argentinians have some rivalry from soccer. bolivians and paraguayians hate brazilians, chileans hate argentinians. The 'latin' thing sounds more like a Simon Bolivar's dream or a Fidel Castro's speech.

[hater]

June 2013. Yes Manu was more popular than Timmy in Miami

[DMC]

Because Manu cold took him to the store
and stole his gold in 2004

[lefty20]

Because he's a lefty, tbh.

[CGD]

There's also an slight generational gap. The 20 somethings are likely to forget the time before the ascendance of Manu, and the time when the big three wasn't quiet the big three yet. Hell, Tony didn't really come into his own until 2006-07.

Those 98-2004 Tim years when he was going head to head with Shaq were amazing. After years of heartbreak, it was also sweet revenge to see someone take it to Malone so effortlessly, and then ring when the mailman couldn't.

[K...]

Manu is only mentioned now that kobe is toxic. Gino never came close to mvp in large part because kobe was the bigger star. If kobe had retired sooner he'd be mentioned instead.


People don't emulate Duncan's game bc they aint got the body.

[ElNono]

he is too old for that tbh

:lol

https://m.popkey.co/73e5f2/NOm3_f-maxage-0.gif

[TheGreatYacht]

People love to watch car crashes

[hater]

Manu is only mentioned now that kobe is toxic. Gino never came close to mvp in large part because kobe was the bigger star. If kobe had retired sooner he'd be mentioned instead.


People don't emulate Duncan's game bc they aint got the body.

:lmao Manu was never even top 10 MVP candidate in any of his years

6th man maybe a couple years. Never mvp

[mbass]

:lmao Manu was never even top 10 MVP candidate in any of his years

6th man maybe a couple years. Never mvp

Manu is popular with the fans because he will always stop and talk to them, give them autographs, etc. He is accessible and friendly and also exciting to watch. Duncan is/was very reserved and not as interested in interacting with the fans. For a comparison, just watch any video after a game, when the team travels, etc.. Also, Manu is always respectful to the press and will talk to them as long as they want him to.

[Spurtacular]

Habla español

[Spurtacular]

He was spurtacular, that's one of the reasons

[mudyez]

My fav always was Manu but if you hat put a gun to my head, I would have chosen Timmy, as every Spurs fan should. Kids are frontrunners but not me. It doesn't take anything away from the love I have for Tim.

People can relate better to Manu than a big. It was the same with Shaq/Kobe. Kids usually don't buy jerseys of bigs. They rather buy guard/wing jerseys and do their moves on the court.

[Arcadian]

Nah, Tim had more recognition even among casual fans. I ran into lots of Duncan wannabes in street ball.

[ElNono]

For the basketball pundits, Tim has and will always have a bigger name recognition, tbh... even Manu would tell you that.

"Popularity" is a relative term... in San Antonio, due to the market, the latino roots probably helped. But he's also a HoF on his own, tbh... flashy in his hey days, always competitive and ruthless...

I'm sure most fans of other teams hate/hated him. Coaches in general have really nice words about him.

[AaronY]

He wasn't with me. I can hardly watch the Spurs w/o Timmy. Never knew this but I guess I was more of a Timmy fan than a Spurs fan. Hoping the playoffs will get my interest back

[diego]

:lmao Manu was never even top 10 MVP candidate in any of his years

6th man maybe a couple years. Never mvp

Finished 10 07-08 (coming off the bench for 2/3 of the season), 8th 10-11

[Canyonero]

Cause he's not gay.

[SpursforSix]

:blah:blah:blah

I don't think Manu is popular just because he is latino. He's popular because he is a winner. He's the one who led a bunch of nobodys from a country without any tradition in basketball to an olympic gold medal.

You're understating the talent on that team. 5 or 6 NBA players. A few prett legit.

[kaji157]

I don think Manu was ever more popular than Duncan.
Maybe for a few moments, but in general Duncan was always considered the best player and the soul of the team.
Manu just got to be the heart.
And Tony the Dick

[dabom]

He wasn't with me. I can hardly watch the Spurs w/o Timmy. Never knew this but I guess I was more of a Timmy fan than a Spurs fan. Hoping the playoffs will get my interest back

Player fan. Smh...

[daslicer]

When it comes to popularity of a player there are few indicators I used to measure it. The indicators are commercials and endorsements, jersey and shoe sales, being voted into the all-star game. Lets go to the first indicator which is commercials and endorsements. Duncan despite not being popular like Kobe, Lebron still had a few national commercials every now and then along with endorsements from companies like American Express. Manu never got those type of commercials or endorsements. Duncan was voted in to the All-star game for most of '00s up until the late '00s while Manu never got voted in. Both Duncan and Manu were never able to sell sneakers but lets go into jersey sales. Duncan made it in the top 10 in jersey sales a few times in his career while Manu never did. Most recently in the 2014 playoffs Duncan was third in playoff jersey sales only behind Lebron and Durant. During Duncan's final year in the NBA he was 11th in Jersey sales which was still ahead of Manu. In conclusion Manu was never more popular than Duncan. Down below are some links to the jersey sales.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/06/26/four-spurs-in-top-15-playoff-jersey-sales-for-1st-time/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2016/07/07/the-most-popular-nba-jerseys-and-team-merchandise-for-2015-16-season/2/#4d6471181313

http://www.foxsports.com/southwest/story/san-antonio-spurs-tim-duncan-popularity-jersey-sales-011315

[gambit1990]

just realized... on the road, there's usually a contingent of manu fans. can honestly say that is not the case with parker.

[Brazil]

Player fan. Smh...

when it is tim duncan it is ok to be one tbh

[ducks]

again Mexicans love Spanish speaking people

[hater]

again Mexicans love Spanish speaking people

not only mexicants but also all the other latin beaners out thers

[Play Boban]

Because he was white, tbh.

[FkLA]

not only mexicants but also all the other latin beaners out thers

Colombians are Latin beaners too, tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

Colombians are Latin beaners too, tbh.

Would love to date a colombian lady. Sadly, Latinos don't fancy the country north of the USA. There's a visible Asian Minority here, but 8
75% of the population is still white and 15% Aboriginal.

How "open" are latinas? Do they put out easily?

[Nathan89]

Manu was a very entertaining player.

[Mark Celibate]

Two reasons

1) a fellow Spanish speaking player who the beaners in San Antonio can identify with

2) actually shows personality on the court

2 is pretty much the reason why players become so likable in the first place. It's why Curry will always be more popular than Leonard. Curry does the "stanky leg" and "booty doo" after every made shot while Leonard has the personality of a toll booth operator

[hater]

Also probably same reason justin Beaver is more popular than Mozart.

Ignorance

[Phenomanul]

Also probably same reason justin Beaver is more popular than Mozart.

Ignorance

And yet Manu on the court was more of a maestro like Mozart than a hack like Bieber... the only ignorance here on the Manu topic is being demonstrated by you.

[Pocho La Pantera]

He's Manu Ginobili.

[spurraider21]

spurfan could easily relate to him. manu choking away championships reminds fans of themselves when they choke on tacos and burgers

[DMC]

Because Manu is a character. He's incredibly interesting to watch regardless who you're rooting for because he could save your team either way. He does exciting things. He does unexpected things. He will be a great NBA coach one day.

[DMC]

spurfan could easily relate to him. manu choking away championships reminds fans of themselves when they choke on tacos and burgers

As if Spurs fans have ever had any problems getting a burger or taco down.

[DAF86]

6'6'' shotting guards that hit threes, dunk on people and throw all-time great passes (even with some TO's here and there) are very popular players, tbh.

[ducks]

people who swat bats are popular

[davi78239]

He's Italian

[FkLA]

As if Spurs fans have ever had any problems getting a burger or taco down.

You would know all about that, fat boy.

[DMC]

You would know all about that, fat boy.

I can lose weight. You'll always be a b3aner.

[hater]

As if Spurs fans have ever had any problems getting a burger or taco down.

Sure but them niggas throw in 5 or 6 at a time

[FkLA]

I can lose weight. You'll always be a b3aner.

Theoretically you can. We both know you don't have the drive to get off your ass though. You've developed a huge ego on a message board ffs. That doesn't happen to someone that isn't a sedentary slob.

[FkLA]

Would love to date a colombian lady. Sadly, Latinos don't fancy the country north of the USA. There's a visible Asian Minority here, but 8
75% of the population is still white and 15% Aboriginal.

How "open" are latinas? Do they put out easily?

Colombians are fine af from what I've seen on TV or the internet. Not many in SA though, I've never come across one. You see a lot of hoodrat Mexican-Americans here. They definitely put out. Bexar County has the highest teen pregnancy in the US, tbh.

[Hoops Czar]

And yet Manu on the court was more of a maestro like Mozart than a hack like Bieber... the only ignorance here on the Manu topic is being demonstrated by you.

Did you feel that fastball wiz by your ear? There's 93.3M twitter followers that would disagree with you. How many does Mozart have?

[dabom]

Colombians are fine af from what I've seen on TV or the internet. Not many in SA though, I've never come across one. You see a lot of hoodrat Mexican-Americans here. They definitely put out. Bexar County has the highest teen pregnancy in the US, tbh.

Single moms everywhere brah... :lol

[apalisoc_9]

Colombians are fine af from what I've seen on TV or the internet. Not many in SA though, I've never come across one. You see a lot of hoodrat Mexican-Americans here. They definitely put out. Bexar County has the highest teen pregnancy in the US, tbh.

Damn. I actually love Hoodrat teens. I've been with a couple the last 5 years before I started dating my ex and after she dumped me. Kinda crazy how you can get dumped after years of being together.

Yeah..maybe colombians just don't immigrate. Maybe colombia is stable enough of a country. Wish there was more Latinas here as opposed to Aboriginals.

Gotta admit though, aboriginals here are easy picking.

[Spursone]

Manu seemed more Pinche Puro!

[DMC]

Theoretically you can. We both know you don't have the drive to get off your ass though. You've developed a huge ego on a message board ffs. That doesn't happen to someone that isn't a sedentary slob.

Theoretically you still cannot un-bean yourself.

[FkLA]

Theoretically you still cannot un-bean yourself.

That's fine, I'm proud to be a bean. You are just fat.

[Arcadian]

Two reasons

1) a fellow Spanish speaking player who the beaners in San Antonio can identify with

2) actually shows personality on the court

2 is pretty much the reason why players become so likable in the first place. It's why Curry will always be more popular than Leonard. Curry does the "stanky leg" and "booty doo" after every made shot while Leonard has the personality of a toll booth operator

Anyone who does those things is a faggot, though. Less popularity for not being a faggot - I'd say that's a good tradeoff. :lol

[DMC]

That's fine, I'm proud to be a bean. You are just fat.

But you just think I'm fat. You already admitted to being a bean.

[dabom]

I can lose weight. You'll always be a b3aner.

[Phenomanul]

Did you feel that fastball wiz by your ear? There's 93.3M twitter followers that would disagree with you. How many does Mozart have?

You are invoking the fallacy of consensus gentium... twitter is for the masses, I get that... But popularity isn't the exclusive trait of an ignorant following. That's the fast ball that whizzed over your head in my retort of hater's failed analogy. Not only was herr Mozart's music extremely popular in his day, but it has remained so in every era since, crossing generations and cultures... transcendental even. Bieber's music will be nothing but a distant, long forgotten memory when the current generation passes on. Now... if you don't mind now is when you can wash the smug look from your face... My beef wasn't with you. Can't stand the player fans in here, that feel like they have to constantly trash the other players to prop their guy up... like hater, TGY, etc... they're a freaking broken record. It gets, tiring and annoying.

[DMC]

So anyone can lose weight. That doesn't make them fat.

[DMC]

Also probably same reason justin Beaver is more popular than Mozart.

Ignorance

Pretty sure I established not long ago that you are either poorly or simply not educated. You front like you are, but you're too lazy to even do that right.

[Splits]

6'6'' shotting guards that hit threes, dunk on people and throw all-time great passes (even with some TO's here and there) are very popular players, tbh.

:lmao

[spurs10]

Tim was always a 'reluctant' superstar. He never cared to play the 'look at me' game. Now Manu avoided national junk food commercial and has kept a low profile as well, but he seems much more comfortable with a camera in his face. He has the quality great actors have- an absence of vanity.

[hater]

Pretty sure I established not long ago that you are either poorly or simply not educated. You front like you are, but you're too lazy to even do that right.

Why dont u go bump ur retarded manu will play well again thread :lmao

[FkLA]

"You just think I'm fat. I could be skinny!"

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/526/891/d0e.jpg

:lol

[DMC]

Why dont u go bump ur retarded manu will play well again thread :lmao

I didn't need to. You did it for me while you were trying to legride my glory. "but but... I'm the prophet.. I said it somewhere.. anyone could make this thread... it's obvious.. but... me... me"

[pgardn]

In the big 3 era, among NBA watchers..HS ballers etc. If you asked 10 guys, spurs fan or not, who their favourite spur...More often, the Answer was Manu Ginobili.

Sure most people who dont watch the NBA would probably recognize the name Duncan more but within the NBA community Ginobili seemed like the most popular out of the three.

Ginobili had crazy marketibility potential, but it wasn't right for Tim to take a backseat in the regard since he was a much superior player...but i've asked way too many people about this, and its evide nt that Ginobili was the popular guy.

Hence why in those years people use to call Ginobili the "exciting" guy.

"Seems" to be more popular...

End of thread.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Same reason they gave Manu another two year deal he was barely worth the first offer that he leveraged the Spurs on his last contract shows you his lack of class and his knowing that w/ Timmy gone they needed the Mexican butts he puts in the seats,pretty simple

all of them (Parker, Manu, and Timmy) took pay cuts several times to make room for other players to join the Spurs. They did that throughout their career and left better money deals on the table multiple times when they could have gone somewhere else. They only cared about winning together not ego trips. So if all 3 now fuck the Spurs in the face over some extra dough then they fucking deserved because they took several for the team for 10-15 years.