March Madness & Potential future Spurs

[Big Empty]

Any underrated guards out there in this tournament so far that have impressed any of you? With Parker old, Pattty potentially leaving this offseason, and Simmons never learning to shoot, i figure it will be a big priority this offseason.

[TheGreatYacht]

and Manure hopefully retiring

[Spurs9]

The Spurs select Center Slato Sloklavovich from Eastern Serbia is more like it tbh

[Darius Bieber]

I definitely like Monte Morris from Iowa State. Highest assist to turnover ratio in NCAA. A four year player, so he's seasoned. Could be a great late first rounder.

[Chinook]

Can Semi Ojeleye learn to play the two?

[Kurik]

Josh Hart would be perfect but if Villanova goes far again, I think he'll be gone in the early-mid 20s.

[CGD]

Josh Hart would be perfect but if Villanova goes far again, I think he'll be gone in the early-mid 20s.

I like him too. He's the guy the Spurs are "supposed to" draft given his background, character, etc., but I think they'll swing for another raw talent like Murray if there is someone they like still on the board.

Doubt he goes as high as you suggest though (projected early second round currently), unless some team is trying to replicate the Bucks' magic with Brogdon.

[phxspurfan]

This guy in the Nova game Hart, is my pick

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[TheGreatYacht]

No Nova system players, RC. Just look at Arcidiacono

[Spurtacular]

I've only been able to catch bits and pieces of the tourney with work, travel and coaching taking most of my time, unfortunately. But I'm probably up a little bit on my many bets at least.

[Kurik]

I like him too. He's the guy the Spurs are "supposed to" draft given his background, character, etc., but I think they'll swing for another raw talent like Murray if there is someone they like still on the board.

Doubt he goes as high as you suggest though (projected early second round currently), unless some team is trying to replicate the Bucks' magic with Brogdon.

That's pretty much what I was thinking, if he has a strong tournament some team will fall in love with him. It may not mean anything but with the Spurs liking Arcidiacono in their system hopefully that means they will be scouting Hart quite a bit if they haven't already.

[Thomas82]

This would be my choice. Most mocks I've seen had him going to Brooklyn with either the 24th or 25th pick.

http://thesportsdaily.com/project-spurs/draft-prospect-watch-harry-giles-of-duke/

[Play Boban]

Donte Divincenzo.

[dabom]

No more unathletic short guys. plese.

[TheGreatYacht]

Imagine the Spurs drafting Josh Hart lmao. A 22-yr old senior SG that's shorter than Dejounte Murray..

[Mr. Body]

Grayson Allen, lol.

Seriously, it's a lot of frontcourt guys around there. I like a guy like Swanigan. Multi-talented and can potentially contribute right away.

[Spurtacular]

Long term, Spurs need an SG more than a PG, tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

I like a guy like Swanigan. Multi-talented and can potentially contribute right away.
Not only is he multi-talented, he's multi-XL.

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Him in San Antonio. What can possibly go
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[dabom]

Not only is he multi-talented, he's multi-XL.

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Him in San Antonio. What can possibly go
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I was 6' 8'' center. WTF??

Then read the rest. :lol

[Twisted_Dawg]

The Spurs select Center Slato Sloklavovich from Eastern Serbia is more like it tbh
Only after trading out of the first.

[Mr. Body]

Not only is he multi-talented, he's multi-XL.

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Him in San Antonio. What can possibly go
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He's a PF and currently playing at 247 lbs. Also he didn't go to Michigan State.

[CGD]

Love the way St. Mary's plays D. They have an Aussie center giving the lotto projected center from AZ the business. They must have some pipeline from Australia; I know Patty came through their and others too.

[Robz4000]

Liking this Shamin kid for Wichita State tbh.

[sasaint]

Not only is he multi-talented, he's multi-XL.

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Him in San Antonio. What can possibly go
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:lmao NO Swan Song. No "You Joshin' Me" Hart.

[sasaint]

Liking this Shamin kid for Wichita State tbh.

Shamet. I thought he was going to pull off the upset. Sorry to see him force up a shot at the end and get it blocked. WS offense was terrible on their last two possessions.

[Cklbmk]

Giles stock keeps plummeting.. I wouldn't be opposed to rolling the dice on him.


Terrance Ferguson is very long and young. Shows some potential offensively. Might go too high though


Josh Hart could come in ready to go. Good size, good scorer, good defense, His age should make him drop though

Jonathan Jeanne sooooooo long could be the next Gobert. Gotta add like 50 pounds though

Alpha Kaba has the best name in the draft. plus a 7-6 wing span. Hope we can grab him with our 2nd just to hear his name. Looks mobile on defense too gets out to the line and recovers quick. 30% 3pt shooter... I mean why not

Andrew white is another old but ready to go rookie... could be worth our 2nd.

No one else in the draft interests me really. I could see us taking one of the Pgs if they slip though. So many PGs projected early. Maybe turn Murray into a SG

[palangi]

Can Semi Ojeleye learn to play the two?Even if he can't Leonard is more that capable of playing the 2 himself. Guarding or playing it offensively.

[Cklbmk]

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[Cklbmk]

This would be my choice. Most mocks I've seen had him going to Brooklyn with either the 24th or 25th pick.

http://thesportsdaily.com/project-spurs/draft-prospect-watch-harry-giles-of-duke/


He's been free falling all year. he's definitely a good candidate to roll the dice on.

[Thomas82]

He's been free falling all year. he's definitely a good candidate to roll the dice on.

I hope PATFO are monitoring him.

[DAF86]

Wings, wings and more wings. That's where the league is heading to, and it's our thinnest position.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Devonte Graham was lights out, against Michigan State.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeQGAPRa-zM highlights from the big 12 championship

[Spurtacular]

^^^

So, ya'll want DeJuan Blair Part II.

[TheGreatYacht]

^^^

So, ya'll want DeJuan Blair Part II.
He ain't no Grayson Allen, amirite?

[Spurtacular]

He ain't no Grayson Allen, amirite?

I've never mentioned that guy. But for entertainment's sake, I like to see the next gen of Bill Laimbeer.

[palangi]

I like Shake Milton out of SMU. He is a 6'6" long SG. has a very good shot. And can handle the ball very well. He is a creator for himself and others. Is a sophomore so hopefully he comes out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvsTFQ4G1fA

[JMarkJohns]

Terrance Ferguson is very long and young. Shows some potential offensively. Might go too high though

I've got pretty good familiarity with Ferguson. He was on Team USA under Arizona Coach Sean Miller, and then became an Arizona commit.

Overall, he's got a lot of upward athleticism, but is a two legged jumper. There have been times I've questioned his lateral quickness against top flight athletes, which is most limiting on offense. Right now he's a bit of a Gerald Green + Defense type of player right now. Very little offensive game beyond dunks and perimeter shots. Very little dribble drive.

He's likely a plus defender at the NBA level.

I know folks who hold hope he'll develop into maybe SG version of Harrison Barnes, but I think he's even that's a reach.

He's definitely worth a later 1st, but he showed very little improvement in Australia, and word is he went there because he was afraid the college game might expose these flaws/limitations more. Also has knuckle-headed handlers, so not sure Pops would be down for it. Handlers took Ferguson out of a real school, placed him at Prime Prep, which may have found him academically ineligible, then hid Australia from Sean Miller, then downplayed it, lying to Miller's face that Ferguson was coming to Arizona.

[buttsR4rebounding]

He's a PF and currently playing at 247 lbs. Also he didn't go to Michigan State. His game has shown significant improvement from his freshman year.

[GSH]

Miles Bridges. And put him on the court as a 2, with Kawhi at the 3 as a mentor. Needs a little work on shooting mechanics, but he would still put up points from day 1. He's got an NBA-ready body, and would go a long way toward ending any "soft" label this team might have.

[TheGreatYacht]

Miles Bridges. And put him on the court as a 2, with Kawhi at the 3 as a mentor. Needs a little work on shooting mechanics, but he would still put up points from day 1. He's got an NBA-ready body, and would go a long way toward ending any "soft" label this team might have.
This is exactly who I want. PATFO needs to trade up at all costs tbh.

Unfortunately I'm ready to hear Adam Silver botch up some guy's name with 22 letters in his last name and is averaging 4pts, 3rebs in some third world shit hole.

[Thomas82]

Unfortunately I'm ready to hear Adam Silver botch up some guy's name with 22 letters in his last name and is averaging 4pts, 3rebs in some third world shit hole.

:lol:lmao:lol:lmao

[GSH]

This is exactly who I want. PATFO needs to trade up at all costs tbh.

Unfortunately I'm ready to hear Adam Silver botch up some guy's name with 22 letters in his last name and is averaging 4pts, 3rebs in some third world shit hole.


I think there's a chance they wouldn't even have to trade up all that far. They're calling him a combo-forward, and a lot of those have been busts. I think that's going to drop his draft position. I think there are probably 15-16 players that I think are almost certain to go higher than him. Throw in a few rogue international and ridiculous-upside prospects, and he could potentially fall deep enough to have a shot at him. On the other hand, with some of the GM's in the league, he could go Top 10. But if he dips, I'd like to see the Spurs get him. Him and Kawhi on the floor together could be hard to handle.

[Thomas82]

I think there's a chance they wouldn't even have to trade up all that far. They're calling him a combo-forward, and a lot of those have been busts. I think that's going to drop his draft position. I think there are probably 15-16 players that I think are almost certain to go higher than him. Throw in a few rogue international and ridiculous-upside prospects, and he could potentially fall deep enough to have a shot at him. On the other hand, with some of the GM's in the league, he could go Top 10. But if he dips, I'd like to see the Spurs get him. Him and Kawhi on the floor together could be hard to handle.

If Harry Giles falls far enough, would you take him?

[GSH]

If Harry Giles falls far enough, would you take him?

I think he's about 50-50 to be another Greg Oden. He's not 30 years old, like Oden was, and that helps his chances of a full recovery. But I don't think he will ever be as good as he looked before the knees got injured, at best. If he fell all the way down to the Spurs' 29 slot, sure. He'd be worth taking a shot at. But someone is probably going to take him in the lottery. I could even see someone like Sacramento or Minnesota taking him in the top 10.

If he makes a full recovery, he'd be a great pick. But I wouldn't trade up for him, because it would mean giving up another player and pick for him, and I just wouldn't put all that in on a risky play like that.

[Thomas82]

I think he's about 50-50 to be another Greg Oden. He's not 30 years old, like Oden was, and that helps his chances of a full recovery. But I don't think he will ever be as good as he looked before the knees got injured, at best. If he fell all the way down to the Spurs' 29 slot, sure. He'd be worth taking a shot at. But someone is probably going to take him in the lottery. I could even see someone like Sacramento or Minnesota taking him in the top 10.

If he makes a full recovery, he'd be a great pick. But I wouldn't trade up for him, because it would mean giving up another player and pick for him, and I just wouldn't put all that in on a risky play like that.

Most mocks I've seen had him going to Brooklyn at either #24 or 25.

[GSH]

Most mocks I've seen had him going to Brooklyn at either #24 or 25.


He was such a prospect before he got hurt, I still think someone will roll the dice trying to get a shot at a dominant big man. I've been wrong before, and we always see crazy stuff in the draft that we never expected. I think he's going to be one of those. Like I said, I wouldn't give up extra resources to trade up for him. And if there was some overlooked wing still on the board, I might still pass.

At the very least, the Spurs would have him on light duty the first year, to try and get him fully healed and not risk another injury. We've had our share of those kinds of players. At least I've had my fill of them.

[TheGreatYacht]

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[BD24]

I saw some people mention swanigan.

Please no. He was struggeling to defend Burton who is 6'4 for Iowa state in the post. Also struggeled to score against him at times. I think he will struggle against athletic bigs with size. Think he is a guy who does well because he is so much bigger than others in college tbh.

[GSH]

Nice! That's what I'm talking about. For size, strength, and athleticism from 1-3, the Spurs would be monsters. They could play physical with pretty much anybody. Maybe if they got the fabled reputation for playing more physical than other teams, they could finally enjoy getting the calls.

Defensively, they would be able to switch and still make things miserable for opposing offenses. Offensively they would have a bunch of guys who can attack the rim, and a bunch who can drop out and hit 3's. They sure as hell wouldn't be boring.

[dabom]

Nice! That's what I'm talking about. For size, strength, and athleticism from 1-3, the Spurs would be monsters. They could play physical with pretty much anybody. Maybe if they got the fabled reputation for playing more physical than other teams, they could finally enjoy getting the calls.

Defensively, they would be able to switch and still make things miserable for opposing offenses. Offensively they would have a bunch of guys who can attack the rim, and a bunch who can drop out and hit 3's. They sure as hell wouldn't be boring.

I'd prefer dedman at 5.

[GSH]

I'd prefer dedman at 5.

We're going to have Pau for another year, I'm sure. I'd love to see Dedmon AND Lee stick around. Put another year under Dedmon, and he might be the best starter. Pau has been pretty damn good off the bench. Lee is a badass, as long as he isn't up against a taller C who is also a badass. There are a lot worse problems than having to decide between those three.

[dabom]

We're going to have Pau for another year, I'm sure. I'd love to see Dedmon AND Lee stick around. Put another year under Dedmon, and he might be the best starter. Pau has been pretty damn good off the bench. Lee is a badass, as long as he isn't up against a taller C who is also a badass. There are a lot worse problems than having to decide between those three.

Dedman is a physical specimen at the 5 position. He has the perfect tools for that spot.

[GSH]

Dedman is a physical specimen at the 5 position. He has the perfect tools for that spot.

And the attitude, too. He's not afraid of contact. Hell, he's not afraid of anything. I don't disagree.

He hasn't been great as a starter yet. But this is his first year to really get serious NBA minutes, and bigs take some seasoning. He needs to get better at setting picks, and he's got to come up with a little more to offer on the offensive end. But I don't see any reason to go out looking for someone else, unless he gets too big of an offer somewhere else, and leaves. I'm liking the hell out of Pau from the bench right now, so I'd be happy to see the Spurs stand pat there, and for Dedmon to step up and really own the starter's spot.

So, fine, throw Dedmon in that photo lineup that TGY just posted. That SL makes me think Marsellus Wallace:

What now? Let me tell you what now. I'ma call a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' ******s, who'll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. You hear me talkin', hillbilly boy? I ain't through with you by a damn sight. I'ma get medieval on your ass.
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[dabom]

And the attitude, too. He's not afraid of contact. Hell, he's not afraid of anything. I don't disagree.

He hasn't been great as a starter yet. But this is his first year to really get serious NBA minutes, and bigs take some seasoning. He needs to get better at setting picks, and he's got to come up with a little more to offer on the offensive end. But I don't see any reason to go out looking for someone else, unless he gets too big of an offer somewhere else, and leaves. I'm liking the hell out of Pau from the bench right now, so I'd be happy to see the Spurs stand pat there, and for Dedmon to step up and really own the starter's spot.

So, fine, throw Dedmon in that photo lineup that TGY just posted. That SL makes me think Marsellus Wallace:

What now? Let me tell you what now. I'ma call a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' ******s, who'll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. You hear me talkin', hillbilly boy? I ain't through with you by a damn sight. I'ma get medieval on your ass.
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We are one of the biggest teams in the NBA. I like to keep it that way. :lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Spurs don't have the contracts to move up in the draft, not significantly anyway. Perhaps Bertans moves them up a few places but unlikely all the way to the mid-late teens in such a deep draft.

[TheGreatYacht]

Nuggets traded Nurkic and their Grizzlies first round pick (21st right now) for Mason Plumlee on an expiring contract.
Wizards traded their first round pick (24th right now) for Bojan Bogdanovic.

I'd like to see RC get on the phone with that dumpster fire Bulls front office. Con them into trading us their 13th pick for Green + 29th pick. I mean, they did give up McDermott and Gibson for one of the worst players in the league in Cameron Payne :lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I'd like to see RC get on the phone with that dumpster fire Bulls front office. Con them into trading us their 13th pick for Green + 29th pick. I mean, they did give up McDermott and Gibson for one of the worst players in the league in Cameron Payne :lol

No way. Danny Green is a good win-now player on a decent contract who doesn't have nearly as much value to a rebuilding team. What would Chicago do with him? Bring him off the bench behind Butler instead of drafting a young player to develop in a deep draft? No way whatsoever.

[TheGreatYacht]

No way. Danny Green is a good win-now player on a decent contract who doesn't have nearly as much value to a rebuilding team. What would Chicago do with him? Bring him off the bench behind Butler instead of drafting a young player to develop in a deep draft? No way whatsoever.
No team with title aspirations would start post-2014 Green, be serious. His defense isn't good enough anymore to make up for his godawful offense. Also, he wouldn't come off the bench for Chicago because he would start next to Butler. Wade will most likely opt out.

Throw Kyle or Bertans if that's what it takes.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Oh, didn't realize that was a our-trash-for-their-gold kinda post.

[TheGreatYacht]

Shouldn't have wasted time replying to some bulgarian faggot that doesn't even watch the games. Lol "Green is a win-now player" RD2191

[Thomas82]

He was such a prospect before he got hurt, I still think someone will roll the dice trying to get a shot at a dominant big man. I've been wrong before, and we always see crazy stuff in the draft that we never expected. I think he's going to be one of those. Like I said, I wouldn't give up extra resources to trade up for him. And if there was some overlooked wing still on the board, I might still pass.

At the very least, the Spurs would have him on light duty the first year, to try and get him fully healed and not risk another injury. We've had our share of those kinds of players. At least I've had my fill of them.

It wouldn't surprise me if somebody took a chance on him early. After all, the Bucks did take Thon Maker at #10 last year when he was projected to go much lower.

[GSH]

Nuggets traded Nurkic and their Grizzlies first round pick (21st right now) for Mason Plumlee on an expiring contract.
Wizards traded their first round pick (24th right now) for Bojan Bogdanovic.

I'd like to see RC get on the phone with that dumpster fire Bulls front office. Con them into trading us their 13th pick for Green + 29th pick. I mean, they did give up McDermott and Gibson for one of the worst players in the league in Cameron Payne :lol

Oh, didn't realize that was a our-trash-for-their-gold kinda post.

What TGY was talking about is some of the irrational, shitty trades that other teams have already made this year. Nurkic is averaging right at a double-double since Denver shipped him to Portland. (14.4/9.6) And his 2.1 BLK per game is just a bonus. The team had already exercised his 4th year team option, so Portland has him for one more year on the cheap. Portland got him AND a 1st round pick in exchange for... Mason Plumlee on an expiring contract? Trades like that can make you start to believe that anything could happen.

I've said it before - I was a Danny Green fan from the first pre-season game he played here. But I really thought he was going to develop the ability to score off the dribble. That dream is long gone. Danny is almost a year younger than Bruce Bowen was when he first came to the Spurs. Both 3-and-D guys. But it sure doesn't look like Danny is going to age well, like Bowen did. If the Spurs traded Danny, they would have to have a plan for a starting 2 (obviously), but I sure as hell don't see him as off-limits for a trade anymore. The fact that he has a friendly contract by today's standards should give him a little more value in a trade for a pick. Not saying the deal TGY posted would work, but I understand what he's saying.

[spursistan]

Nuggets traded Nurkic and their Grizzlies first round pick (21st right now) for Mason Plumlee on an expiring contract.
Wizards traded their first round pick (24th right now) for Bojan Bogdanovic.

I'd like to see RC get on the phone with that dumpster fire Bulls front office. Con them into trading us their 13th pick for Green + 29th pick. I mean, they did give up McDermott and Gibson for one of the worst players in the league in Cameron Payne :lol

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When was the last time RC won a trade? :lol

[GSH]

It wouldn't surprise me if somebody took a chance on him early. After all, the Bucks did take Thon Maker at #10 last year when he was projected to go much lower.


Thon Maker is a really good example of a team reaching to try and get a big man in the draft. He's 7'1", and weighs about the same as Danny Green. Never played college ball. And got drafted #10.

Giles was seriously talked about as the best prospect of the last decade. I just think someone will take a shot on him pretty high in the draft. And even if his knees get all the way healthy, I don't think he'll ever be as good as that. I guess we'll see.

[GSH]

When was the last time RC won a trade? :lol

So long none of us remember. Well, I mean, unless you want to count that George Hill for Kawhi Leonard AND Davis Bertans thing.

[spursistan]

So long none of us remember. Well, I mean, unless you want to count that George Hill for Kawhi Leonard AND Davis Bertans thing.
That's the point..The Spurs haven't hit on anything in the draft, trade market or league margins in the last 3/4 years..

You just can't keep contending forever without a lucky break or two in roster construction now that the Big 3--one member after the other-- have been completely phased out of it even if the salary book says otherwise..

None of their Top 4-5 players is playing on the cheap (maybe Kawhi relatively so); the ones who are contributing as such will be FAs in the summer (Mills/Lee/Dedmon/Simmons)..

[GSH]

That's the point..The Spurs haven't hit on anything in the draft, trade market or league margins in the last 3/4 years..

You just can't keep contending forever without a lucky break or two in roster construction now that the Big 3--one member after the other-- have been completely phased out of it even if the salary book says otherwise..

None of their Top 4-5 players is playing on the cheap (maybe Kawhi relatively so); the ones who are contributing as such will be FAs in the summer (Mills/Lee/Dedmon/Simmons)..


Oh, man... seriously?

Do you know how fucked the Spurs looked with Tim retiring? They landed Pau, Dedmon, and Lee this offseason, and drafted a damn good looking player with the 29 pick.

I know that LMA hasn't lived up to what a lot of people hoped, but they got Atlanta to take an injury-prone Tiago so that they could afford to sign him - AND they convinced him to sign here. (LMA hasn't played well recently, but in general people have been way too negative about him.)

I could keep going. But the Spurs FO has such a reputation for making good trades that other GM's are wary of trading, because they don't want to look like idiots. I know people want an All Star roster, top to bottom every year. But this team has had 50+ wins every season for 18 years. It would be 20, if the '99 season hadn't been strike-shortened. The Spurs have kept a VERY competitive team for two decades, while getting less help from the draft by far. I'm open to different opinions, but that one is pretty tough to debate.

[spursistan]

Oh, man... seriously?

Do you know how fucked the Spurs looked with Tim retiring? They landed Pau, Dedmon, and Lee this offseason, and drafted a damn good looking player with the 29 pick.

I know that LMA hasn't lived up to what a lot of people hoped, but they got Atlanta to take an injury-prone Tiago so that they could afford to sign him - AND they convinced him to sign here. (LMA hasn't played well recently, but in general people have been way too negative about him.)

I could keep going. But the Spurs FO has such a reputation for making good trades that other GM's are wary of trading, because they don't want to look like idiots. I know people want an All Star roster, top to bottom every year. But this team has had 50+ wins every season for 18 years. It would be 20, if the '99 season hadn't been strike-shortened. The Spurs have kept a VERY competitive team for two decades, while getting less help from the draft by far. I'm open to different opinions, but that one is pretty tough to debate.

Spurs FO is held to higher standard..Competitive is different from legit title contender..2009-2011 teams were very competitive too, but they were also second round fodder..

Long story short, they need another home run in the 15th pick-cum-Kawhi mold..Signing a 30 yo second rate star like Aldridge isn't really a coup (the dude was torn between us and fuckin Phoenix just in case you forgot)..

They need get bold with their choices going forward (summer 2018 decisions on Parker and LMA will be telling)...

Meanwhile, it's fine, we get to enjoy another 60-win team with gaudy metrics that may or may not reach the conference Finals..There are worse fates for 25+ teams in the league..

[Seventyniner]

Oh, man... seriously?

Do you know how fucked the Spurs looked with Tim retiring? They landed Pau, Dedmon, and Lee this offseason, and drafted a damn good looking player with the 29 pick.

I know that LMA hasn't lived up to what a lot of people hoped, but they got Atlanta to take an injury-prone Tiago so that they could afford to sign him - AND they convinced him to sign here. (LMA hasn't played well recently, but in general people have been way too negative about him.)

I could keep going. But the Spurs FO has such a reputation for making good trades that other GM's are wary of trading, because they don't want to look like idiots. I know people want an All Star roster, top to bottom every year. But this team has had 50+ wins every season for 18 years. It would be 20, if the '99 season hadn't been strike-shortened. The Spurs have kept a VERY competitive team for two decades, while getting less help from the draft by far. I'm open to different opinions, but that one is pretty tough to debate.

The FO doesn't hit a whole bunch of home runs (hard to do when you consistently draft so low) but puts the ball in play a ton and rarely strikes out.

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Thon Maker is a really good example of a team reaching to try and get a big man in the draft. He's 7'1", and weighs about the same as Danny Green. Never played college ball. And got drafted #10.

Giles was seriously talked about as the best prospect of the last decade. I just think someone will take a shot on him pretty high in the draft. And even if his knees get all the way healthy, I don't think he'll ever be as good as that. I guess we'll see.

I guess we'll just have to wait until June 22 to see how it plays out.

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The FO doesn't hit a whole bunch of home runs (hard to do when you consistently draft so low) but puts the ball in play a ton and rarely strikes out.

Exactly, people love to bitch. We didn't have a top 20 pick in the Duncan era (outside of James Anderson going at #20.) That's unheard of. When we found the right guy for the right value (I think we looked at Kawhi as having potential super-Bowen upside so that was smart to replace George Hill with) we hit a grand slam. Jean-Charles is the only recent 1st round pick I'm looking at thinking he's a big miss but even he was taken at 28. Wonder if Milutinov ever plays on the Spurs.