Why Force feeding Aldridge has caused the spurs offense to stagnate significantly..

[apalisoc_9]

Over the last few games since Aldridge's return, the spurs have placed high priority on him getting him touches. It was decent opportunity to throw him the ball considering the weaker competition in those stretch. He was playing like a role player offensively prior in a stretch that got them 8 straight wins.

But let's analyze the offense when he's showcased.

When Aldridge is showcased as an offensive player,

The spurs pass the ball less - This is because he's only getting his shots in two ways, pick and pop and a tough post up shot. There's very little movent involved.

Team's don't respect him - opposing teams this year have shown the discipline to rarely help in an Aldridge post up. They don't want Leonard, Green, Mills to shoot considering their %. They even would rather let him fadeaway than allow Parker to penetrate. This is concerning.

He does not know how to handle double teams or even draw double teams - I am starting to really question this guy's work ethic. Leonard has become significantly more adept at drawing and handling double teams.

Danny Green is not getting rhytem shots - Yup, Green is getting very little room because as pointed out, teams dont care about Aldridge anymore.

Wanna know how? The coaching Stuff Voted for reserves not the media or the fans and they clearly do not respect him anymore. It shows in their gameplan and his All-Star Snub.

I'm a firm believer that in order for this team to win a Championship, they Need Parker, Ginobili, or Murray to be the second guy. It is a bit comical that the above mentioned still have better gravity than Aldridge because players still respect the drive regardless of the player.

This team needs Parker to be the second guy with the Starters. It has to be. Leonard and Parker generate quality offense and contribute better with the flow of the offense because their offense relies on screeners and that tends to generate better offense for the Danny Green of the worlds.


Aldridge can have night where he goes 8-12 in 20 minutes but as evident with the games and the overall score, teams dont really care.

[Mikeanaro]

Because it make the other players look like traffic cones.

[apalisoc_9]

Because it make the other players look like traffic cones.

Exactly. There's very little offball movement because when he gets the ball in the post players aren't moving. They can't.

[cd98]

Maybe times when they need to dump it down the post. They need to keep their offense diverse so teams can't guard them just one way.

[RD2191]

Great post.

[apalisoc_9]

I made this before the Half-time and the spurs make a huge run lead by Kawhi-Ginobili-Mills :lmao with his role player ass looking at a tablet in the bench.

:lmao

[apalisoc_9]

Maybe times when they need to dump it down the post. They need to keep their offense diverse so teams can't guard them just one way.

They can't diversify the offense. That's what people don't understand. He's a terrible passer and he can't draw double teams. When the team has a clear instruction to get him involved it stagnates.

He's just bad.

There's a reason why the COACHES didn't select him as an All-Star. He doesnt generate offense and teams are actually pretty darn happy when we're feeding him.

[cd98]

They can't diversify the offense. That's what people don't understand. He's a terrible passer and he can't draw double teams. When the team has a clear instruction to get him involved it stagnates.

He's just bad.

There's a reason why the COACHES didn't select him as an All-Star. He doesnt generate offense and teams are actually pretty darn happy when we're feeding him.

I'm not saying he's an all star. But he is capable of scoring on the block, a rarity in the NBA. Spurs won't win playing 4 Down with LMA, but every so often, they'll need to get the ball in the low post to Gasol and LMA when teams go small. Just good to have diversity is all I'm saying.

[apalisoc_9]

I'm not saying he's an all star. But he is capable of scoring on the block, a rarity in the NBA. Spurs won't win playing 4 Down with LMA, but every so often, they'll need to get the ball in the low post to Gasol and LMA when teams go small. Just good to have diversity is all I'm saying.

And im telling you why The team has struggled offensively. Just look at todays game, the spurs made a furious run wihtout him and now the wolves are back on the heels.

Even if Aldridge is being efficient, he's star touches should be put to sleep. The te needs to start treating him as a role player. Coaches treat him like a role player. They love seeing him with the ball because the shots he generate are exactly the kind of shots defenses would love to give up.

[Capt Bringdown]

LMA's soft fall-aways were dropping tonite in a win over a mediocre team, so we expect more of the same play-calling from Pop.

:pop: Adjustments are for cowards

[dabom]

Over the last few games since Aldridge's return, the spurs have placed high priority on him getting him touches. It was decent opportunity to throw him the ball considering the weaker competition in those stretch. He was playing like a role player offensively prior in a stretch that got them 8 straight wins.

But let's analyze the offense when he's showcased.

When Aldridge is showcased as an offensive player,

The spurs pass the ball less - This is because he's only getting his shots in two ways, pick and pop and a tough post up shot. There's very little movent involved.

Team's don't respect him - opposing teams this year have shown the discipline to rarely help in an Aldridge post up. They don't want Leonard, Green, Mills to shoot considering their %. They even would rather let him fadeaway than allow Parker to penetrate. This is concerning.

He does not know how to handle double teams or even draw double teams - I am starting to really question this guy's work ethic. Leonard has become significantly more adept at drawing and handling double teams.

Danny Green is not getting rhytem shots - Yup, Green is getting very little room because as pointed out, teams dont care about Aldridge anymore.

Wanna know how? The coaching Stuff Voted for reserves not the media or the fans and they clearly do not respect him anymore. It shows in their gameplan and his All-Star Snub.

I'm a firm believer that in order for this team to win a Championship, they Need Parker, Ginobili, or Murray to be the second guy. It is a bit comical that the above mentioned still have better gravity than Aldridge because players still respect the drive regardless of the player.

This team needs Parker to be the second guy with the Starters. It has to be. Leonard and Parker generate quality offense and contribute better with the flow of the offense because their offense relies on screeners and that tends to generate better offense for the Danny Green of the worlds.


Aldridge can have night where he goes 8-12 in 20 minutes but as evident with the games and the overall score, teams dont really care.

I'm gonna go on a limb and say he gets doubled like 8% less than Kawhi. Both very close. The team doesn't know how to take advantage.

[sasaint]

And im telling you why The team has struggled offensively. Just look at todays game, the spurs made a furious run wihtout him and now the wolves are back on the heels.

Even if Aldridge is being efficient, he's star touches should be put to sleep. The te needs to start treating him as a role player. Coaches treat him like a role player. They love seeing him with the ball because the shots he generate are exactly the kind of shots defenses would love to give up.

I would like to see Pop play Pau and Deadman in the starting unit and LMA and DLee with the second unit.

[TheGreatYacht]

I would like to see Pop play Pau and Deadman in the starting unit and LMA and DLee with the second unit.
Deadman is useless without Lee tbh. Start him/sit him, I don't care but he needs Lee

[apalisoc_9]

I would like to see Pop play Pau and Deadman in the starting unit and LMA and DLee with the second unit.

Bemching Aldridge?

Dude, the guys has a heart condition and you wanna hurt his fragile heart

[sasaint]

Bemching Aldridge?

Dude, the guys has a heart condition and you wanna hurt his fragile heart

Guy either mans up or pouts and demands a trade. I take either one.

[skulls138]

The team only has room for one ISO guy and thats Kawhi. Pops is force feeding LA because he figures its more talent but ball movement and Green and Mills getting hot is infinitely more important. LA has to adjust around the Spurs not the other way around. Get some more rebounds for crissakes. You either have the intangible rebounding version of LA where his FG% isnt great, but we win OR the "Im making my jumpshots so Im doing my share" version. Fuck that.

[sasaint]

Deadman is useless without Lee tbh. Start him/sit him, I don't care but he needs Lee

Why is Lee a better match than Pau? On the flip side of the coin, LMA might learn something about hustle playing with DLee.

[dabom]

Pop is force feeding LMA to get going b4 the plays. Get his reps up. We ain't winning with him being a role player. Ya need to pay attention guys. :lol

[dabom]

RS wins don't matter.

[TheGreatYacht]

Why is Lee a better match than Pau? On the flip side of the coin, LMA might learn something about hustle playing with DLee.
#PrayForLeesHealth

[midnightpulp]

Pop is force feeding LMA to get going b4 the plays. Get his reps up. We ain't winning with him being a role player. Ya need to pay attention guys. :lol

We agree on something :tu

[kaji157]

You kind of need to get lma going this late in the season. I actually don't see it that bad if it helps the long run.
We need that consistent second option badly.

[spursistan]

Aldridge offense is the epitome of standstill :lol..Zero defense-bending activity ensuing from him dominating touches in a possession..

Should stick to getting his shots in the flow of offense, in mismatches or from crashing the glass..


OP nailed it :tu

[dabom]

We agree on something :tu

:tu

[skulls138]

You kind of need to get lma going this late in the season. I actually don't see it that bad if it helps the long run.
We need that consistent second option badly.Do we? Weve beaten all the good teams in the league with Kawhi playing free. It just works better for the whole team. At least when LA struggles he tries to make it up in other ways. Five rebounds? Starting to look like the team we were when we lost last year. LA being diva fade away specialist.

[ducks]

LMA needs some touches so Leonard's drop in d picks up

[ducks]

LMA is killing it in o since his return

[ducks]

Leonard three point shooting sucks since his eye thing

[SeanElliot'sLeftNut]

The answer to Aldridge is to have him shoot more threes. Aldridge is only able to post up and pick and pop, the way to increase his efficiency is to have him cut out these long twos. Not only would he be taking more efficient shots, but he would give Tony and Kawhi more space drawing his man out to the three point line.

[Splits]

#PrayForLeesHealth

lol people who "pray"

[dabom]

lol people who "pray"

We got LMA back.

[Splits]

We got LMA back.

Yeah, thanks to my #PrayforLMA hashtag

[cjw]

LMA needs some touches so Leonard's drop in d picks up

This is underrated. Lets Kawhi take some offensive possessions at less than 100%. Only ways to do this are with Aldridge post up, Gasol doing something similar or involving a big in pick and roll with Parker/Ginobili.

If Danny is hitting and his man helps off of him for a double of Aldridge in post, the Spurs can create open looks when he passes out.

[SpursBig3s]

And im telling you why The team has struggled offensively. Just look at todays game, the spurs made a furious run wihtout him and now the wolves are back on the heels.

Even if Aldridge is being efficient, he's star touches should be put to sleep. The te needs to start treating him as a role player. Coaches treat him like a role player. They love seeing him with the ball because the shots he generate are exactly the kind of shots defenses would love to give up.



I get what you're saying, and I don't really disagree. But Aldridge should be a very useful weapon when teams go small. Last year after the all star break he would run the floor and establish position deep in the paint and get easy shots. Efficient scoring and offense. That needs to be apart of the offense when teams go small, which they often do.

Its a difficult line. I agree with you that teams are choosing to give him his midrange jumpers and fadeaways. I hate those fadeaways. And he definitely shouldn't be taking more shots than Kawhi. But the guy is a proven SCORER. We don't have the 2014 ball movement offensedue to personnel. It becomes more imperative that we have another guy capable of taking the scoring load off of Kawhi. 26 points is still 26 points. Could he do it more efficiently? Of course. Maybe something like 16-20 pts on fewer shots and more trips to the line (which happens when LMA is aggressive, which I'm totally in favor of). I guess my question is what should he be doing instead? Bottom line is, we do need Aldridge to score and provide some instant offense on occasion. We need it within the flow of the offense and more efficiently, which is a fine line naturally.

The problem is we need that dynamic lead guard, which we don't have. Murray can be it, but he's not ready. Maybe in 2yrs he will be. The fact is, Manu can't be that guy anymore, he's physically incapable. Unfortunately, so is Parker. I totally Agree with you, we need Parker to be that 2nd guy, that dynamic lead guard. He's just not able to do that. I'm willing to bet Aldridge would look a lot better and fit more seamlessly if he was getting shots off penetration and off passes from a dynamic guard capable of consistently getting to the rim and drawing helpside D and more defenders. But he can't, and we don't have that (outside Kawhi). Such is life right now.

[SpursBig3s]

Pop is force feeding LMA to get going b4 the plays. Get his reps up. We ain't winning with him being a role player. Ya need to pay attention guys. :lol


Agreed. That's why a dynamic lead guard is so critical. Aldridge (and the team) would look a whole lot better if we didn't have a corpse as our starting point guard. Parker can still play, but not at a starter level, considering the type of PGs and talent the starting PGs are in the league. Think how much better our offense would be and would look with a prime TP. Or if we had a cp3, or a John wall type guard. You can't tell me Aldridge wouldn't benefit.

[bklynspursfan]

Pop is force feeding LMA to get going b4 the plays. Get his reps up. We ain't winning with him being a role player. Ya need to pay attention guys. :lol

This. Seems pretty obvious

[SpursBig3s]

The answer to Aldridge is to have him shoot more threes. Aldridge is only able to post up and pick and pop, the way to increase his efficiency is to have him cut out these long twos. Not only would he be taking more efficient shots, but he would give Tony and Kawhi more space drawing his man out to the three point line.


With our guard situation the way it is, I agree that this is probably he best alternative. Idk why he can't start popping out like 1-2ft further. Teams would give him that 3

[bklynspursfan]

Agreed. That's why a dynamic lead guard is so critical. Aldridge (and the team) would look a whole lot better if we didn't have a corpse as our starting point guard. Parker can still play, but not at a starter level, considering the type of PGs and talent the starting PGs are in the league. Think how much better our offense would be and would look with a prime TP. Or if we had a cp3, or a John wall type guard. You can't tell me Aldridge wouldn't benefit.

Aldridge already benefits the most when TP plays, and would probably benefit more if he didn't miss all the open shots TP creates for him. He's obviously not the offensive threat of Paul/Wall, but he is still pretty good at getting guys open looks.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Teams will always give Aldridge that long 2. Even an elite mid range shooter like him is at around .415 for his career and that's very inefficient, while Aldridge is also >.700 within 3 feet for his career, which is Duncan-esque. obviously the best way would be to mix these and shoot a 3 here and there, but in the playoffs I'd like to see Aldridge much closer to the basket. He's ridiculously strong and big but he doesn't often play like he is. Only against Green I'd prefer him shooting over, instead of attacking on the block.

[MultiTroll]

Why the hell are we having this conversation?
Vs OKC
Game 3 8-21
Game 4 8-18
Game 5 6-21


Who's idea to feature LMA as option 1 in the offense? :pop:
And it's supposed to be all different this post season?

[MultiTroll]

Teams will always give Aldridge that long 2. Even an elite mid range shooter like him is at around .415 for his career and that's very inefficient, while Aldridge is also >.700 within 3 feet for his career, which is Duncan-esque. obviously the best way would be to mix these and shoot a 3 here and there, but in the playoffs I'd like to see Aldridge much closer to the basket. He's ridiculously strong and big but he doesn't often play like he is. Only against Green I'd prefer him shooting over, instead of attacking on the block.
This.
Whatever happened to the pre and early signing notions that he was going to fit in and pursue a Championship.
Not blaming him but who died and appointed Aldridge Option 1 in a stagnate offense?
Oh yeah that guy. :depressed

[rjv]

LMA is best when he plays like he did last night. He did not reduce himself to a jump shooter. He scored in the blocks, off rebounds and from outside.

[MultiTroll]

Is there a stat that gives per minute and/or per possession shot attempts?
Would like to compare LMA during regular season Spurs and then the OKC series.

[Brazil]

Thing is we have no choice than force feeding LMA at this point. We cannot rely on Parker, Mills, Manu, Murray to be second scoring option, even a temptative offense stagnant LMA is a more reliable choice. He must get going before POs or we dead... it can lead to some ugly iso bb for the Spurs in the POs tbh but that's the way it is.

[coachmac87]

Well it's quite simple really...

This team can't contend without a legit second scoring option and you're fucking kidding yourself if you don't think LMA should be that guy..

PATFO are just trying to get him in a groove...will it work? We shall see but the risk is worth the reward..

I think it's funny people tend to forget that he single handily should've made us go up 2-0 against OKC last year. He regressed some in the series but so did the rest of the team..including Kawhi..

And let's also not pretend this thread is about LMA possibly taking away from Kawhi shine...

[MultiTroll]

He regressed some in the series.
"regressed some"?
How about took a serious nose dive.
Series loss is not all on him.
ThunderRef had plenty of say too.
But the much better option is Kwa #1, TeamBallMovement #2.
We have LMA as elbow option taking the most shots again and the exact same thing is gonna happen. 2nd round ceiling.

[spursistan]

844411849714126850

Spurs = .500 team..

[apalisoc_9]

844411849714126850

Spurs = .500 team..

And thats against the mighty Kings, Wolves, struggling grizz :lol

Imagine if it was an actual team

[unleashbaynes]

lol people who "pray"

Praying- for when you want to brag about doing something to help someone without actually physically doing anything.

[coachmac87]

"regressed some"?
How about took a serious nose dive.
Series loss is not all on him.
ThunderRef had plenty of say too.
But the much better option is Kwa #1, TeamBallMovement #2.
We have LMA as elbow option taking the most shots again and the exact same thing is gonna happen. 2nd round ceiling.

Game 1
Kawhi 10-13/25pts
LMA 18-23/38pts

Game 2
Kawhi 7-18/14pts
LMA 15-21/41pts

Game3
Kawhi 9-17/31pts
LMA 8-21/24pts

Game 4
Kawhi 7-19/21pts
LMA 8-18/20pts

Game 5
Kawhi 12-12/26pts
LMA 6-21/20pts

Game 6
Kawhi 9-23/22pts
LMA 9-18/18pts

Again I stated LMA regressed but that's easy to say because he averaged 40pts and shot 70% the first 2 games....but still even with that said he stayed consistent with Kawhi rest of the series. Each player had a bad game Kawhi was Game 2 and LMA was Game 5..

I find it odd LMA gets criticized more for the series loss than Kawhi does even though Kawhi was runner up for MVP and his expectations were higher. LMA exceeded expectations at first in the series but still averaged 26pts for the 6 games. Stop picking sides and be honest with yourself....

Spurs need LMA to be productive and a consistent 20pts scorer if we want a chance of winning a ring....im willing to force feed him now and try to get him going then try to come postseason..

[midnightpulp]

Over the last few games since Aldridge's return, the spurs have placed high priority on him getting him touches. It was decent opportunity to throw him the ball considering the weaker competition in those stretch. He was playing like a role player offensively prior in a stretch that got them 8 straight wins.

But let's analyze the offense when he's showcased.

When Aldridge is showcased as an offensive player,

The spurs pass the ball less - This is because he's only getting his shots in two ways, pick and pop and a tough post up shot. There's very little movent involved.

Team's don't respect him - opposing teams this year have shown the discipline to rarely help in an Aldridge post up. They don't want Leonard, Green, Mills to shoot considering their %. They even would rather let him fadeaway than allow Parker to penetrate. This is concerning.

He does not know how to handle double teams or even draw double teams - I am starting to really question this guy's work ethic. Leonard has become significantly more adept at drawing and handling double teams.

Danny Green is not getting rhytem shots - Yup, Green is getting very little room because as pointed out, teams dont care about Aldridge anymore.

Wanna know how? The coaching Stuff Voted for reserves not the media or the fans and they clearly do not respect him anymore. It shows in their gameplan and his All-Star Snub.

I'm a firm believer that in order for this team to win a Championship, they Need Parker, Ginobili, or Murray to be the second guy. It is a bit comical that the above mentioned still have better gravity than Aldridge because players still respect the drive regardless of the player.

This team needs Parker to be the second guy with the Starters. It has to be. Leonard and Parker generate quality offense and contribute better with the flow of the offense because their offense relies on screeners and that tends to generate better offense for the Danny Green of the worlds.


Aldridge can have night where he goes 8-12 in 20 minutes but as evident with the games and the overall score, teams dont really care.

This all good in theory, but even if you ran a dynamic motion offense, we simply don't have the backcourt fire power to punish (good) teams for collapsing. This team is what it is. A grindy, iso-oriented offense supplemented by what we hope will be a lockdown defense and bigs that will control the glass.


This team needs Parker to be the second guy with the Starters. It has to be. Leonard and Parker generate quality offense and contribute better with the flow of the offense because their offense relies on screeners and that tends to generate better offense for the Danny Green of the worlds.

I also agree with this point, which is why I've been an advocate for Parker for two seasons now. No other guard can "bend" the defense as spursistan was saying. A healthy, aggressive Parker can, but that version of Tony shows up 1 every 5 games. We're just going to have to try and play 100-90 games in the playoffs.

[skulls138]

This all good in theory, but even if you ran a dynamic motion offense, we simply don't have the backcourt fire power to punish (good) teams for collapsing. This team is what it is. A grindy, iso-oriented offense supplemented by what we hope will be a lockdown defense and bigs that will control the glass. Its got to be somewhere in between. Green and Mills have to get it going while LA does his thing. Kawhi should touch the ball the most and second LA but both have to pass it to Mills, Green, and Parker, without it affecting their confidence and rhythm. And yes much D and rebounding

[MaNu4Tres]

The Aldridge option puts points on the board at a modest efficiency at best. At the same time, the Aldridge option doesn't create better options for others when he has the ball. The good/smart teams will never double LA, they'll let him take his fadeaways and contested running middle hooks all day and stay at home on shooters.

Typically, you want your best two offensive weapons to be dual threats. Meaning, when they have the ball, they have the threat the score in a variety of ways, and in the process of their threat to score, they create very efficient and easy opportunities (wide open corner 3's, wide open 3's and easy layups) for their teammates. Kawhi is getting better at it but I'd say he's on the bottom tier of stars in this category.

Spurs were fortunate to have three players throughout the Big 3 era that all were dual threats and made life easy for the "others".

This is why I think its imperative for the Spurs to give Murray the keys next year because he's the only player on the roster outside of Kawhi that has that ability to be a dual threat.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

the spurs got a player named lame. no capital l. it's everything they thought it would be. it's everything i thought it would be. too bad they didn't keep Joseph and make a run at Tristan Thompson. Do any of y'all miss Diaw?

[SAGirl]

the spurs got a player named lame. no capital l. it's everything they thought it would be. it's everything i thought it would be. too bad they didn't keep Joseph and make a run at Tristan Thompson. Do any of y'all miss Diaw?
Not at all. Lee has played better than Diaw from last season.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Not at all. Lee has played better than Diaw from last season.

is Lee playing better than pre-lame Diaw?

[TD 21]

The offense was stagnate before they started force feeding Aldridge. The reality is, this team simply doesn't have the goods to run a pace-and-space offense and Parker and Ginobili damn sure don't have the legs, at this point, to be 2nd options. Their only hope for a deep run, is to get the former playing like a star again and in this case, that entails sacrificing some efficiency for volume. Offensive efficiency hasn't been an issue post '14; offensive explosiveness has.

Also, let's not pretend as if Leonard doesn't stagnate the offense, have tunnel vision or the most efficient shot selection, either. He just makes them with much more efficiency and volume.

[Slippy]

Game 1
Kawhi 10-13/25pts
LMA 18-23/38pts

Game 2
Kawhi 7-18/14pts
LMA 15-21/41pts

Game3
Kawhi 9-17/31pts
LMA 8-21/24pts

Game 4
Kawhi 7-19/21pts
LMA 8-18/20pts

Game 5
Kawhi 12-12/26pts
LMA 6-21/20pts

Game 6
Kawhi 9-23/22pts
LMA 9-18/18pts

Again I stated LMA regressed but that's easy to say because he averaged 40pts and shot 70% the first 2 games....but still even with that said he stayed consistent with Kawhi rest of the series. Each player had a bad game Kawhi was Game 2 and LMA was Game 5..

I find it odd LMA gets criticized more for the series loss than Kawhi does even though Kawhi was runner up for MVP and his expectations were higher. LMA exceeded expectations at first in the series but still averaged 26pts for the 6 games. Stop picking sides and be honest with yourself....

Spurs need LMA to be productive and a consistent 20pts scorer if we want a chance of winning a ring....im willing to force feed him now and try to get him going then try to come postseason..

get with the program now. Reminding Kawai fans the truth wont help their story.

[spursistan]

Aldridge: 19 points on 21 shots

Kawhi: 29 points on 18 shots


Under no circumstances this jumpshooting softie should put up more shots than Leonard..It is not like the team has been destroying all comers with him getting force-fed like a baby..

[apalisoc_9]

Aldridge: 19 points on 21 shots

Kawhi: 29 points on 18 shots


Under no circumstances this jumpshooting softie should put up more shots than Leonard..It is not like the team has been destroying all comers with him getting force-fed like a baby..

Pretty much.

They have a very similar number lf possessions. The difference is that, When Kawhi has the ball there's the posibility of a decent pass out.

Aldridge is almost always shooting.

[YGWHI]

Aldridge: 19 points on 21 shots

Kawhi: 29 points on 18 shots

Under no circumstances this jumpshooting softie should put up more shots than Leonard..It is not like the team has been destroying all comers with him getting force-fed like a baby..

He was shooting efficiently in the 3 previous games. But he's taking more shots and having higher USG% than Kawhi in the last...7 games.

Kawhi's the only NBA team-leading scorer in the season who isn't the #1 option on his own team.


In the first minutes of this game LMA took 7 shots and Kawhi only...1.
It wasn't a matchup thing since Kawhi had a smaller defender on him almost all game. In fact, he had Rose on him in the post in a possession, Parker opted to run a P&R with LMA...

Force feed a player while ignoring/not exploiting favorable matchups, it's just stupid.

[YGWHI]

They have a very similar number lf possessions.

Not really, LMA USG% in the last games has been higher than Kawhi.

There were quarters that Kawhi didn't even touch the ball.

[FkLA]

He was shooting efficiently in the 3 previous games. But he's taking more shots and having higher USG% than Kawhi in the last...7 games.

Kawhi's the only NBA team-leading scorer in the season who isn't the #1 option on his own team.


In the first minutes of this game LMA took 7 shots and Kawhi only...1.
It wasn't a matchup thing since Kawhi had a smaller defender on him almost all game. In fact, he had Rose on him in the post in a possession, Parker opted to run a P&R with LMA...

Force feed a player while ignoring/not exploiting favorable matchups, it's just stupid.

Tbf that has more to do with the fact that the ball is in Rique's hands the large majority of the time, and Kawhi is relegated to standing in the corner, than it does with this being an LMA-oriented offense. Rique loves the two-man game with a big and of course getting his own shots up. Kawhi actually gets up a bunch of shots right after Rique is subbed out mid-quarter even with LMA in there.

It's honestly pretty disgusting to watch him have to 'wait his turn' just to please a washed up, egotistical, fat PG, tbh.

[ducks]

Leonard is a human and gets tired all superstars take their turn
Leonard also plays d unlike most superstars
Leonard needs LMA and gasol to produce. If they do not they will triple team Leonard

[ducks]

Leonard d has suffered some without Duncan this year and his production when team was adjusting and Leonard was doing to much imo

[Spurtacular]

Aldridge can have night where he goes 8-12 in 20 minutes but as evident with the games and the overall score, teams dont really care.

:lmao Today's safe space poster.

[MultiTroll]

We saw Pop try the ForceFeed Aldridge early vs Cleveland.
Made an ad-just-ment and got away from it.
Team ball, 20 point win.

[SASdynasty!]

Bold this man.

[still.focused]

Im all for force feeding him to start games as long as LMA is aggressive & establishes himself as a legitimate threat
Between Patty & Tony P&R Paus 3pt shot, everything Kawhi does AND our overall team play it could only add to keeping defenses of balance
Force feeding him when he just dribbles once gains no ground & kicks it out to a covered Danny Green is a no go

[Mr. Body]

An aggressive and effective LMA makes this team extremely hard to beat. A great LMA is almost impossible for GSW to handle.

[spursistan]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9TPH0NUIAAoSuS.jpg

This is the offensive pedigree of the supposed great second option we have and we're trying to force-feed...Utter embarrassment.

[apalisoc_9]

Yawn..

I've been trying to tell people here that Aldridge Kills the Spurs offense and that they would be better of ball Swinging with Leonard and Parker..Mostly Leonard because Parker falls in love with Aldridge too much but yeah would rather the ball swing in the pterimter between Leonard and Parker

[spursistan]

Yawn..

I've been trying to tell people here that Aldridge Kills the Spurs offense and that they would be better of ball Swinging with Leonard and Parker..Mostly Leonard because Parker falls in love with Aldridge too much but yeah would rather the ball swing in the pterimter between Leonard and Parker

Whatever happened to Aldridge working on his 3PT to shoot them more this year? :lol

even Pau made the adjustment mid-season and eliminated the long 2s off the pop in favor of stepping few feet back for a more efficient shot..

[MultiTroll]

Fortunately we have not seen an overdose of this vs Memphis.
Still too many possessions where Pop calls for "Throw it to LMA and stand around".
As was stated, if he would drive the defender into the hoop, great. But that elbow turnaround jumper if he misses it puts opponent at a great advantage for their transition O.
Seems to just kill our chances for O rebound / transition D set up.

[SAGirl]

This was a good post OP... another reason why it doesn't work...
even though Lamarcus is not some great offensive threat on the block lately, and you'd figure teams would let him go one on one and not bother to double.. they do double bc coaches in opposing teams teams have figured out that he's also a very poor passer so they blitz him. They help off whoever, in a flash and he coughs the ball up.

[apalisoc_9]

Again the same vanilla suspects.

The only way Aldridge should be getting touches is if he's attacking the basket like Pau, Shooting the three like Pau and Rolling tp the basket.

He doesn't dp any of these.

[spurraider21]

yeah and that gambit idiot is posting a thread of aldridge not getting enough shots :lol... he needs to be working to get those shots

[apalisoc_9]

I watched derrick Favors last night and he was rolling in every screen and the dude has one leg.

The roll just opens up way better opportunities for himself and Parker and Kawhi. Sure, he has less chance.pf a shot as opposed to a pop and if kawhi is dribbling he will look for his shot 85% of the time but that shouldn't be enough reason.

Every big in the team rolls now. Why cant his lazy asa do the same thing?

[gambit1990]

yeah and that gambit idiot is posting a thread of aldridge not getting enough shots :lol... he needs to be working to get those shots
i'm not for force feeding him and i'm not for him having the ball while everyone stands around.

[DPG21920]

You're also not for watching the games, because Tp has to take those shots because that is what MEM is giving up. If TP does not take and make those shots, things won't open up for LMA

[apalisoc_9]

You're also not for watching the games, because Tp has to take those shots because that is what MEM is giving up. If TP does not take and make those shots, things won't open up for LMA

The offense has to center around Leonard-TP-Another penetrator.

Ginobili is supposed to be the third guy but he is killing us right now.

Quick swings and attack is so important.

Nothing will open up for Lamarcus. The shots he take.os the most vanilla and easiest to guard shots. No matter what TP or Kawhi does? He's always going to hoist up shitty midrangers and shitty fadeways.

The only way Lamarcus gets easy shots is if he's a willing rollman. Just watch derrick favors. Dude has no leg.

If Aldridge wants more shots, he needs to start rolling.

[MaNu4Tres]

The offense has to center around Leonard-TP-Another penetrator.

Ginobili is supposed to be the third guy but he is killing us right now.

Quick swings and attack is so important.

Nothing will open up for Lamarcus. The shots he take.os the most vanilla and easiest to guard shots. No matter what TP or Kawhi does? He's always going to hoist up shitty midrangers and shitty fadeways.

The only way Lamarcus gets easy shots is if he's a willing rollman. Just watch derrick favors. Dude has no leg.

If Aldridge wants more shots, he needs to start rolling.

I'm so glad more fans on here are noticing this.

Just a year ago, most people were clueless to what I was bitching about all year during 15'-16' run regarding the value of rollers and how it opens up the offense. Now people understand and it gives me warm fuzzies. I'm proud of Spurstalk.

[apalisoc_9]

I'm so glad more fans on here are noticing this.

Just a year ago, most people were clueless to what I was bitching about all year during 15'-16' run regarding the value of rollers and how it opens up the offense. Now people understand and it gives me warm fuzzies. I'm proud of Spurstalk.

Why didn't you back me up in my "say no to aldridge" campaign. I was telling everyone how he's going to turn our offense into shit because of his playstyle. I even had the cool a avatar :lol

I kept aruging aginst his Shot Selection but everyone just said I love Kawhi too much.

[sasaint]

Why didn't you back me up in my "say no to aldridge" campaign. I was telling everyone how he's going to turn our offense into shit because of his playstyle. I even had the cool a avatar :lol

I kept aruging aginst his Shot Selection but everyone just said I love Kawhi too much.

I am afraid that LMA has caused the Spurs to take a big step backwards for several years of Kawhi's prime. Soft, low BBIQ fadeaway shooter who has completely altered the way the Spurs played before his arrival and takes up way more cap space than he is worth. The sooner he is wearing another team's uniform, the better for the Spurs. We are strapped until he goes - and stuck with Pop, too.

[kaji157]

Talk about it all you want, but if you don´t get Aldridge going in this series, Force Feeding or not, Kawhi will have another season where a team led by him couldn´t get past anyone.
Right now Kawhi is the sole focus of Memphis defense, if this continues, we are fucked, you gotta give them something else to worry.

[MultiTroll]

Talk about it all you want, but if you don´t get Aldridge going in this series, Force Feeding or not, Kawhi will have another season where a team led by him couldn´t get past anyone.
Right now Kawhi is the sole focus of Memphis defense, if this continues, we are fucked, you gotta give them something else to worry.
And the only solution is force feed LMA?
How about ball movement team ball?

[kaji157]

And the only solution is force feed LMA?
How about ball movement team ball?

Force feeding or not i said. Can't you read?
Ball movement is of course an option but i don't think Parker, green, Leonard, deadman, Aldridge it's a very good passing team

[MultiTroll]

Force feeding or not i said. Can't you read?
Ball movement is of course an option but i don't think Parker, green, Leonard, deadman, Aldridge it's a very good passing team
No I can't read.
Leonard is an excellent passer. So is
Lee, Bertans, Gasol, Murray, Ginobili when properly medicated.
It's up to that Hall of Fame coach to encourage and put players on the floor who can and will share.

[UZER]

And the only solution is force feed LMA?
How about ball movement team ball?


Force feeding or not i said. Can't you read?
Ball movement is of course an option but i don't think Parker, green, Leonard, deadman, Aldridge it's a very good passing team

Ball movement stems from drive and kick. There is no drive and kick right now. Hell there's barely even drive. Parker is too old to cause the defense to collapse so everyone stays home on the perimeter guys. If old man Parker can score, the grizz are ok with it.

This teams needs penetration in the worst way, or they will be penetrated in the worst way.

[Thomas82]

The offense has to center around Leonard-TP-Another penetrator.

Ginobili is supposed to be the third guy but he is killing us right now.

Quick swings and attack is so important.

Nothing will open up for Lamarcus. The shots he take.os the most vanilla and easiest to guard shots. No matter what TP or Kawhi does? He's always going to hoist up shitty midrangers and shitty fadeways.

The only way Lamarcus gets easy shots is if he's a willing rollman. Just watch derrick favors. Dude has no leg.

If Aldridge wants more shots, he needs to start rolling.


It would be nice if Pop gave Murray a shot.

[gambit1990]

Ball movement stems from drive and kick. There is no drive and kick right now. Hell there's barely even drive. Parker is too old to cause the defense to collapse so everyone stays home on the perimeter guys. If old man Parker can score, the grizz are ok with it.

[gambit1990]

kawhi and la have a better chance of establishing a two man game without tony in the SL. kawhi has obviously shown he can handle the ball. he could get him easier looks than tp too.

[MultiTroll]

Did LMAs rebounding nutts drop tonight?
Loved those hard fought for rebounds.

Still too many possessions of that Force Feed Stand Around bullshit :pop:
but thankfully LMA hit some solid shots too.

[spursistan]

:lmao..

Legit question: What would the Spurs lose by trading this guy? Has LMA even been in any game-changing run so far in this series. Dude's been coming up small every time we call upon him..His offense is the definition of basketball cancer..


That 35-year-old, TOSB-status Parker proving to be by far the second best player on the team in these playoffs is an indictment of Aldridge and his pathetic uselessness..

[ducks]

Duncan struggled against zach

[ducks]

If spurs hit open shots it opens it up for LMA

[MultiTroll]

If spurs hit open shots it opens it up for LMA
True but I thought LMAs most impressive plays tonight were his O rebounds followed by put backs for score. Especially the mid-late 4th qtr one when the full on choke was happening.
One coming off a hero ball Porker miss after the Grizz had closed to 5. (All in all very good game for Porker, he just does not know how to pg pass in the clutch)

[Mikeanaro]

Sucked tonight.

[TheGreatYacht]

I've never read a good gambitch1990 take, tbh...