Oscar Robertson vs today's NBA

[whitemamba]

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Truth nukes by the Big O?

[apalisoc_9]

Salty a much better player broke his shitty record.

[lefty]

Well he was a stat padder so he would shine on today's NBA

[Clipper Nation]

Oscar played at a much faster pace than today's league, which inflated his stats. This is just more "old man yells at cloud" drivel from a salty retired player.

[ambchang]

Salty a much better player broke his shitty record.

Funny thing is, back then, nobody really cares about triple doubles, they didn't even track them properly back then. What really fueled the triple-double craze was actually the Magic-Bird rivalry in the 80s, and then in the 90s and early 00s, NBA with it's enormous budget and people with nothing better to do, started to look back in history and peel out all the stats to track these triple doubles that people put up in the 60s.

Point is, Robertson wasn't gunning for a triple double every night, because there was no reason to. It just happened. Whereas a player like Westbrook would be making having a triple-double one of this top priority in the game. The change in the pace of the game obviously favoured the Big O, but if an entire system is catered around a single person to get triple doubles, then the record itself is really meaningless.

I blame this on Kobe, and to an extent, Jordan. In the past, players who sacrificed team success for individual glory would be frowned upon. Players like Nique, King, Big E, McAdoo, World B Free, etc ... were not viewed favourably in the context of NBA history, largely because their stats didn't come with wins and team success, and there are even evidence saying that their stats came at the expense of team success. That all changed the last few years, when Kobe was clearly running one of the proudest franchise into the ground for individual glory. Not only was he not chastised for it, he was celebrated, and it topped of with that 60-point game and millions upon millions in merchandise sale. Then franchises, which are businesses at the core, realized that people no longer care about team success, all they care about are story lines and incidents, and they do not care whether they are manufactured or not, they do not care whether this is a WWE spectacle, all they want are stories and they are willing to pay for it. And as a direct result, we see what Westbrook is doing.

Not saying what Westbrook is doing is not impressive, because you can't just get any Joe Blow to do what he did, but Lebron, Kidd, T-Mac, Carter, Wade and a number of other big wing players can probably average a triple double if that is all they were gunning for.

The reason I blame Jordan though is because he pioneered that entire individual over team concept. It has destroyed true basketball.

[whitemamba]

Funny thing is, back then, nobody really cares about triple doubles, they didn't even track them properly back then. What really fueled the triple-double craze was actually the Magic-Bird rivalry in the 80s, and then in the 90s and early 00s, NBA with it's enormous budget and people with nothing better to do, started to look back in history and peel out all the stats to track these triple doubles that people put up in the 60s.

Point is, Robertson wasn't gunning for a triple double every night, because there was no reason to. It just happened. Whereas a player like Westbrook would be making having a triple-double one of this top priority in the game. The change in the pace of the game obviously favoured the Big O, but if an entire system is catered around a single person to get triple doubles, then the record itself is really meaningless.

I blame this on Kobe, and to an extent, Jordan. In the past, players who sacrificed team success for individual glory would be frowned upon. Players like Nique, King, Big E, McAdoo, World B Free, etc ... were not viewed favourably in the context of NBA history, largely because their stats didn't come with wins and team success, and there are even evidence saying that their stats came at the expense of team success. That all changed the last few years, when Kobe was clearly running one of the proudest franchise into the ground for individual glory. Not only was he not chastised for it, he was celebrated, and it topped of with that 60-point game and millions upon millions in merchandise sale. Then franchises, which are businesses at the core, realized that people no longer care about team success, all they care about are story lines and incidents, and they do not care whether they are manufactured or not, they do not care whether this is a WWE spectacle, all they want are stories and they are willing to pay for it. And as a direct result, we see what Westbrook is doing.

Not saying what Westbrook is doing is not impressive, because you can't just get any Joe Blow to do what he did, but Lebron, Kidd, T-Mac, Carter, Wade and a number of other big wing players can probably average a triple double if that is all they were gunning for.

The reason I blame Jordan though is because he pioneered that entire individual over team concept. It has destroyed true basketball.

I'm sorry but I don't think he's gunning for triple doubles , I mean maybe the last few but I still doubt it. The thunder need him to put up those numbers to win. They are 33-9 when he triple doubles and they are 13-25 when he doesn't. Sure he's a high turn over PG, but no one else on that team is doing shit. My goodnes if they had a boogie or a Anthony Davis , and 1 respectable shooter. That team is probably a favorite to win. How can you say he's putting personal success before the team, when they are miserable if he's not playing at that level?

[ambchang]

I'm sorry but I don't think he's gunning for triple doubles , I mean maybe the last few but I still doubt it. The thunder need him to put up those numbers to win. They are 33-9 when he triple doubles and they are 13-25 when he doesn't. Sure he's a high turn over PG, but no one else on that team is doing shit. My goodnes if they had a boogie or a Anthony Davis , and 1 respectable shooter. That team is probably a favorite to win. How can you say he's putting personal success before the team, when they are miserable if he's not playing at that level?

They are miserable because the entire team is catered to him getting stats. Steven Adams was one of the best pick and roll man last year. Wher is that this year? Oladipo, while not the best, was a decent one on one player and very capable of creating his own shots. Enes Kanter is one of the best one on one low post scorer in the league. What happened to them this year?

The thunder should be a lower seed playoff team in this tanking league. It's not like they over achieved or anything.

As for the records, if a teams entire game is centred around him getting triple doubles, what do you think would happen if he could not get one?

[ViceCity86]

Oscar Robertson wouldn't be a top 10 PG in today's NBA.

[Mitch]

Poor man's westbrook, tbh. Maybe even bankrupt man's westbrook

[lefty]

Oscar Robertson wouldn't be a top 10 PG in today's NBA.
Still better than Parker and more athletic than beisbol players

[Clipper Nation]

Still better than Parker
:lol He could come out of retirement now at age 78 and drop at least 20 on Porker. Not because of "muh today's NBA" schtick, but because Porker just sucks that badly.

[ambchang]

:lol He could come out of retirement now at age 78 and drop at least 20 on Porker. Not because of "muh today's NBA" schtick, but because Porker just sucks that badly.

And yet he starts on the 2nd best team in the league. :lol today's NBA.

[Clipper Nation]

And yet he starts on the 2nd best team in the league. :lol today's NBA.
Shows how great Kawhi is that he can win in spite of Porker.

Today's NBA :worthy:

[ambchang]

Shows how great Kawhi is that he can win in spite of Porker.

Today's NBA :worthy:

So why isn't there another player starting in Parker's place? What does that have to do with Kawhi? :lol today's NBA.

[lebomb]

They are miserable because the entire team is catered to him getting stats. Steven Adams was one of the best pick and roll man last year. Wher is that this year? Oladipo, while not the best, was a decent one on one player and very capable of creating his own shots. Enes Kanter is one of the best one on one low post scorer in the league. What happened to them this year?

The thunder should be a lower seed playoff team in this tanking league. It's not like they over achieved or anything.

As for the records, if a teams entire game is centred around him getting triple doubles, what do you think would happen if he could not get one?

They LOSE!!!!! Damn, what is it that you dont understand. He has to go crazy mad off in order for the Thunder to win. Their team is mediocre without WB. Name one player on that team that would start for any other team in the NBA right now. I can answer that. No one.

[Clipper Nation]

So why isn't there another player starting in Parker's place?
Because Poop - a product of :lol yesterday's NBA - is too stubborn to see that Porker is trash.

[lebomb]

Because Poop - a product of :lol yesterday's NBA - is too stubborn to see that Porker is trash.

Parker was 2007 finals MVP and has 4 rings with the Spurs. Pop is letting him, Ginobilli and let Duncan go out as they saw fit as a show of appreciation. Now Tonys prime is long gone, but he was a top 3pg in the NBA at his peak. Everyone gets old and loses their game. Nothing more or less. Tony will retire very soon, so your wish will come true.

[ambchang]

They LOSE!!!!! Damn, what is it that you dont understand. He has to go crazy mad off in order for the Thunder to win. Their team is mediocre without WB. Name one player on that team that would start for any other team in the NBA right now. I can answer that. No one.

My argument isn't that he had to go crazy for them to win, it is that the entire system is built around him getting triple doubles, and it's aiming to get him the triple doubles, much like what 6ers and AI, or even Shaq with LA. It was expected to have Shaq dominate, or the Lakers lose. Same with Westbrook's triple doubles. The entire system is centred around him getting a TD. I am not even sure if winning is a parallel goal or just a bi-product.

[ambchang]

Because Poop - a product of :lol yesterday's NBA - is too stubborn to see that Porker is trash.

Pop is about as :lol today's NBA as he was :wow yesterday's NBA. He embraced the ball movement trend (even arguably popularized it). he is looking into exploiting the lack in the mid range game (and defense) in :lol today's 3pt or layup philosophy.

[140]

Parker was 2007 finals MVP and has 4 rings with the Spurs. Pop is letting him, Ginobilli and let Duncan go out as they saw fit as a show of appreciation. Now Tonys prime is long gone, but he was a top 3pg in the NBA at his peak. Everyone gets old and loses their game. Nothing more or less. Tony will retire very soon, so your wish will come true.
Porker wants to play 5 more years or something :lol

[jimbo]

Tbh the triple double vs no triple double win-loss shit is bunk. No shit his team wins when he gets 10 assists, that means other people are actually scoring. The 10 rebounds a joke because he stat pads those so hard it's irrelevant.

I'd rather look at points per possession when he gets 10 assists and when he doesn't.

[hater]

TOdays soft no D league would be a cakewalk for Oscar tbqh

[DMC]

TOdays soft no D league would be a cakewalk for Oscar tbqh

You, Lefty and Fabbs just dig through your book of shit and see which of you can post the stupidest take that day. You won today btw.

You'd be hard pressed to build a competitive team today from the greatest players from the pre-80's, given their same conditioning and skill sets. That changes if they are brought up with more handles and better all around basketball skills instead of watching the ball as they run wildly down the court and lay the ball up or get clotheslined trying. I mean, Dr J's dunk was the highlight of that era. You see that dunk every game now. If someone did what Vince did in just one game in the 70's they'd have shut down the league. Someone like Kyrie Irving could play solo against the entire Celtics team and score every trip down the floor. Ooooh Iceman had a sweet finger roll. Are you fucking serious? A finger roll? Does anyone give a shit today?

[Ice009]

Parker was 2007 finals MVP and has 4 rings with the Spurs. Pop is letting him, Ginobilli and let Duncan go out as they saw fit as a show of appreciation. Now Tonys prime is long gone, but he was a top 3pg in the NBA at his peak. Everyone gets old and loses their game. Nothing more or less. Tony will retire very soon, so your wish will come true.

Very soon? To me, very soon is this upcoming off-season or the one after that. He wants to play another 4 years. I hope he's not looking for anymore than the minimum.

I hope TP was saving himself for the playoffs and is healthier than he's been in a while. I hope we can see some vintage TP in the playoffs. He'd really elevate the Spurs if he can turn back the clock a little bit.

[Down Under]

Couldn't dribble with his head up - these people forget about youtube.

[hater]

Couldn't dribble with his head up - these people forget about youtube.

Didnt need to

[hater]

You, Lefty and Fabbs just dig through your book of shit and see which of you can post the stupidest take that day. You won today btw.

You'd be hard pressed to build a competitive team today from the greatest players from the pre-80's, given their same conditioning and skill sets. That changes if they are brought up with more handles and better all around basketball skills instead of watching the ball as they run wildly down the court and lay the ball up or get clotheslined trying. I mean, Dr J's dunk was the highlight of that era. You see that dunk every game now. If someone did what Vince did in just one game in the 70's they'd have shut down the league. Someone like Kyrie Irving could play solo against the entire Celtics team and score every trip down the floor. Ooooh Iceman had a sweet finger roll. Are you fucking serious? A finger roll? Does anyone give a shit today?

Stupid comparison

Obviously it would depend what rules and environment its played on.

These young soft pussies nba playas would die if they were transplanted back in time to play in that setting.

"What? No baby cologne and extra soft toilet paper in the lockeroom?? Kill me please" :lol

The players back in the day were harder and tougher so if your transplant both to their respective non eras My money is on the old tough players doing better in todays nba than the soft cucks doing anything but pissing themselves back in the 60s, 70s or 80s

[hater]

Can u imagine stephen curry trying to take the bus to the game in the 70s?? :lol

Niga would be put in the first bus to the women preparatory school :lmao

[LkrFan]

Oscar played at a much faster pace than today's league, which inflated his stats. This is just more "old man yells at cloud" drivel from a salty retired player.

The Big O
LeHype
Westbrook

Which one didn't average a triple dub? :downspin:

[DMC]

Stupid comparison

Obviously it would depend what rules and environment its played on.

These young soft pussies nba playas would die if they were transplanted back in time to play in that setting.

"What? No baby cologne and extra soft toilet paper in the lockeroom?? Kill me please" :lol

The players back in the day were harder and tougher so if your transplant both to their respective non eras My money is on the old tough players doing better in todays nba than the soft cucks doing anything but pissing themselves back in the 60s, 70s or 80s

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Yeah I see your point. No way Kyrie survives all that trapping in the 1st image... :lol

[DMC]

Can u imagine stephen curry trying to take the bus to the game in the 70s?? :lol

Niga would be put in the first bus to the women preparatory school :lmao

So Slappy White would be a better baller than Michael Jordan based on your criteria of being ghetto.

[lefty]

You, Lefty and Fabbs just dig through your book of shit and see which of you can post the stupidest take that day. You won today btw.

You'd be hard pressed to build a competitive team today from the greatest players from the pre-80's, given their same conditioning and skill sets. That changes if they are brought up with more handles and better all around basketball skills instead of watching the ball as they run wildly down the court and lay the ball up or get clotheslined trying. I mean, Dr J's dunk was the highlight of that era. You see that dunk every game now. If someone did what Vince did in just one game in the 70's they'd have shut down the league. Someone like Kyrie Irving could play solo against the entire Celtics team and score every trip down the floor. Ooooh Iceman had a sweet finger roll. Are you fucking serious? A finger roll? Does anyone give a shit today?

Put Magic Bird Barkley Kareem DK with scrubs and they destroy t:lolday's NBA

[DMC]

Put Magic Bird Barkley Kareem DK with scrubs and they destroy t:lolday's NBA

Who is going to defend the three? MJ is the only one I see in the group that could possibly defend the three. Sure they would score, but they'd be buried by threes in transition while they try to grind it out in the low post and having MJ isoball everyone for 2 points per trip. Bird is the only 3pt threat of the group and he'd defer to Kareem most of the time.

You put prime Lebron, Duncan, Shaq, Curry and Kawhi against anyone... game over.

[hater]

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Yeah I see your point. No way Kyrie survives all that trapping in the 1st image... :lol

:lmao posting that and attaching an image of Kyrie getting the red carpet treatment to the paint :lol

That gif right there shows how soft todays league is. Try that in the 70s and next thing you know youll wake up in the ER

[hater]

So Slappy White would be a better baller than Michael Jordan based on your criteria of being ghetto.

You have to survive the trip to the arena first. An old school player would have better chance of that in 2017 than a soft pussy of today in the 1960s

[UZER]

The Big O
LeHype
Westbrook

Which one didn't average a triple dub? :downspin:

I haven't seen el guapo this passionate about anything since the Kobe blocked LeBron allstar game championship.

[ambchang]

The Big O
LeHype
Westbrook

Which one didn't average a triple dub? :downspin:

None of them celebrated a 17-win season though.

[ambchang]

Today's player would be crying in the hotel room after being called a racial slur by those racist fans. Ain't no where to post their feelings to express their anger back in the day.

[UZER]

Today's player would be crying in the hotel room after being called a racial slur by those racist fans. Ain't no where to post their feelings to express their anger back in the day.

:lol

[hater]

Today's player would be crying in the hotel room after being called a racial slur by those racist fans. Ain't no where to post their feelings to express their anger back in the day.

Not to mention they would be forced to daily toss the salads of white teammates.

Oscar did that while averaging a tripple dub :lol

Soft bitches of today would probably want to do a facebook live suicide but since there would be no internet :lol

[Spurtacular]

Dude, today's players are "carrying over" their asses off.