Tony Parker

[midnightpulp]

Excellent game tonight. Love his shot selection. Corner 3s and 8 shots in the paint, making 4. For a team in dire need of penetration, this is encouraging. Solves a lot of the team's problems.

http://oi65.tinypic.com/nmgr9i.jpg

He also was great in a crucial 2nd quarter, netting 8 points and getting the Spurs the lead.

Anyone who thinks he didn't have a good game tonight should seriously consider putting on a helmet to protect your underdeveloped brain, if you know what I mean.

[Silver&Black]

He pulled me back in.

[FkLA]

He pulled me back in.

:lol

A few hero plays but in general had a good game. Would be nice if he kept it up against the Golden States of the world but highly unlikely, tbh.

[SpursforSix]

#phoenixrising

[dabom]

6:41
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Patty Mills enters the game for Tony Parker
18 - 9

[TheGreatYacht]

I'm in.

[urunobili]

Thanks for a flashback night TP!

[midnightpulp]

:lol

A few hero plays but in general had a good game. Would be nice if he kept it up against the Golden States of the world but highly unlikely, tbh.

Needed.

We need more than one or two players to be aggressive. There's too many "role" players on this team "playing off" and not enough individual scorers. If you want the Spurs to have a shot at the title, it's going to have to be more than Kawhi and (sometimes) LMA creating offense. That's just the way it is.

[TheGreatYacht]

6:41
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18 - 9



Those dribbles that bounced off his foot really changed the game

[100%duncan]

Played well. Problem has always been sustainability for TP, even in his prime.

[midnightpulp]

6:41
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Patty Mills enters the game for Tony Parker
18 - 9



You forget the lead ballooned up to 13 for most of the quarter until Lee checked in and Harrison checked in for Conley. All Patty did was commit two TOs and foul. Patty had nothing to do with the "run."

[Silver&Black]

You forget the lead ballooned up to 13 for most of the quarter until Lee checked in and Harrison checked in for Conley. All Patty did was commit two TOs and foul. Patty had nothing to do with the "run."

http://www.jafrum.com/assets/images/products/105Matt_Helmet-1.jpg

[ducks]

14 more games like tonight this postseason equals title

[DAF86]

2 corner threes per game. That's all I ask.

[SupremeGuy]

6:41
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Patty Mills enters the game for Tony Parker
18 - 9


That's fucking cold. :lol

[UNT Eagles 2016]

He needs to do this against GSW, thankfully Curry is a sieve on defense

[Brazil]

2 corner threes per game. That's all I ask.

:lol one can dream... would be awesome tho

[dabom]

That's fucking cold. :lol

:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

#9 all time in playoff scoring now :tu

Already #5 in playoff assists as well.

Captain. Leader. Legend.

[rudwick]

If he outscores Conley it will be a short series.

[ducks]

#9 all time in playoff scoring now :tu

Already #5 in playoff assists as well.

Captain. Leader. Legend.but he overrated and should not start

[Ron Swanson]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/4053291/08_Gatsby.png

[Silver&Black]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/4053291/08_Gatsby.png:bobo

[DarrinS]

Weakest link

[Russ]

18 points on only 13 shots.

Zero turnovers.

The Bon Burst is back.

[TheGreatYacht]

Weakest link
Your old ass is so mad right now lmfao

[ducks]

"I just feel blessed. I feel lucky to be out there and competing at that level and still enjoying playing basketball." - TonyParker

[FkLA]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/4053291/08_Gatsby.png

http://i.imgur.com/prPnKaS.jpg

[Mikeanaro]

:lol

[ErnestLynch]

Although the 'big three'...no longer are the big three minus TD...they have free reign in my book. Done too much to really rag on 'em. If pop and RC didn't think they had something to offer, or if they themselves thought that, they wouldn't be there. I see all of this ranking of where TP fits...5...4..3..2..whatever. Over time, has TP or Manu let you down. Sure they have at times. I've wanted to personally kill them both. But over time..what does that tell you. To quote the great Daryl K Royal, 'You dance with the one that brung ya'. And those guys have brought the Spurs a loooooong way.

They'll quit when they want to quit. They earned that. Get it ?

[apalisoc_9]

Probably a B- kinda game for him. He was atrocious in the first quarter. Offensively, didd everything he can to stagnate the offense.

Kawhi needs tp be the main pick and roll man.

He needs to be attacking off the swing. He needs the space.

[Clipper Nation]

6:41
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18 - 9



/thread

[palangi]

Let's see if he can do it for more than one game.

[hater]

Hes the most clutch player in spurs history by far its not even remotely close.

[TheDoctor]

HOTS

[sananspursfan21]

That was the style he needs to play. He didn't drive every time he had the ball. Just enough to get the defense to cheat to him and let other guys open. He doesn't have to play like he did in 08 to be effective. And the corner 3s were just gravy :)

[DAF86]

2 corner threes per game. That's all I ask.

Quota already fulfilled. :hat

[TheGreatYacht]

I'm in and I ain't hopping out

[Robz4000]

Really hoping this Parker sticks around.

[midnightpulp]

Probably a C+ game. Killed the offense. Heroballed too much. A+ game from "MVPatty" though! He was 1 for 9 but did YOU SEE THAT ASSIST TO GASOL!!!

[FkLA]

Probably a C+ game. Killed the offense. Heroballed too much. A+ game from "MVPatty" though! He was 1 for 9 but did YOU SEE THAT ASSIST TO GASOL!!!

lol 14:1 FGA to assist ratio

[ElNono]

Not gonna hate when he's hitting those corner 3s, but he looked a bit gassed in the 2nd half.... hopefully these 2-3 days of rest help...

[dabom]

lol 14:1 FGA to assist ratio

Porker doesn't close out for a reason. I wonder if the porker fluffers even understand that. :lol

[sasaint]

Probably a C+ game. Killed the offense. Heroballed too much. A+ game from "MVPatty" though! He was 1 for 9 but did YOU SEE THAT ASSIST TO GASOL!!!

:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Probably a C+ game. Killed the offense. Heroballed too much. A+ game from "MVPatty" though! He was 1 for 9 but did YOU SEE THAT ASSIST TO GASOL!!!
God damn :lmao

[pgardn]

He was very good when not pressured heavily dribbling. And was part of the reason the huge lead melted in the 3rd.

[midnightpulp]

lol 14:1 FGA to assist ratio

Parker's had a much better series so far than House. No amount of spin can change that simple fact.

[DPG21920]

Manu and Mills are 4-21 combined this series. Luckily the Spurs don't need them but they have struggled vs MEM all year for some reason where TP has had great success. Hopefully Mills/Manu chip in some points because SA needs them to.

[FkLA]

Parker's had a much better series so far than House. No amount of spin can change that simple fact.

He has had a better series but let's also be honest about the fact that that 14:1 ratio is pretty heroballish.

And tbf Paddy was solid in Game 1. Perfect from the field and came in to right the ship after the heroballer steered it off course.

[DAF86]

Manu and Mills are 4-21 combined this series. Luckily the Spurs don't need them but they have struggled vs MEM all year for some reason where TP has had great success. Hopefully Mills/Manu chip in some points because SA needs them to.

Mills is +28 for the series, and Manu is +24; they haven't been hitting shots, specially Manu (Mills was pretty good on game 1,tbh), but they have been far from a problem, and were definitely needed, specially on that game one, to get us back after that horrible start to the series, tbh.

[Benoit]

its obvious a lot of spurs fans resent Tony Parker because he was better than Jim in 2 of their championships lmao they cant handle the truth

[Spur|n|Austin]

All TP hater's wives/gfs are sleeping in a puddle tonight dreaming of him. TP really sticking the baguette to the haters this series.

[gilmor]

Manu 0 points for 2 games in a row? How's that possible?

[gambit1990]

Mills is +28 for the series, and Manu is +24; they haven't been hitting shots, specially Manu (Mills was pretty good on game 1,tbh), but they have been far from a problem, and were definitely needed, specially on that game one, to get us back after that horrible start to the series, tbh.

[gambit1990]

averaging 1.5 assists and 1 turnover... starts the games off by taking shots away from kawhi and lma...

[DPG21920]

You look like even more of a dummy than usual.

[gambit1990]

having as many shot attempts as kawhi :lol

let's see how well that works out the next couple rounds.

[DPG21920]

Not gonna hate when he's hitting those corner 3s, but he looked a bit gassed in the 2nd half.... hopefully these 2-3 days of rest help...

It was a really physical game especially for the starters. They were having to work hard through a ton of contact.

[DPG21920]

having as many shot attempts as kawhi :lol

let's see how well that works out the next couple rounds.

Manu / Mills shooting 4/21 let's see how that works out.

[DAF86]

I don't give a fuck about Tony's assists as long as he keeps hitting his open shots, specially the corner threes.

[bklynspursfan]

You look like even more of a dummy than usual.

Yup. Dude has to be a viable threat out there. Teams already know about LMA/Kawhi. He's making some of these fools blood boil

[Brazil]

I don't give a fuck about Tony's assists as long as he keeps hitting his open shots, specially the corner threes.

this tbh...

his 5/7 at the 3 pts distance is what the doctor requested, if he can keep up those corner 3s this serie and during the POs that would be an excellent news for the Spurs

[TheGreatYacht]

Can't believe he's the second leading scorer in the playoffs so far and he's earning Allen Crabbe money.

PATFO would be smart to extend the contract now before it's too late

[spurraider21]

As long as he doesn't slip back into "unplayable" mode the spurs are a different beast.

If/when he does, I only hope he's on a short leash.

[DPG21920]

As long as he doesn't slip back into "unplayable" mode the spurs are a different beast.

If/when he does, I only hope he's on a short leash.

Do people say this about Manu/Mills? I mean, why is the burden on TP so much when Mills is supposed to be better than the TOSB and Manu makes as much money as TP?

This is the issue. Everyone knows TP playing well is the only shot the Spurs have at reaching their ceiling. If he's not playing well, it's not like just inserting Mills/Manu magically gives SA a chance. Look at how they are playing overall - you think that is good enough?

You have to stick with TP and hope he figures it out. Having a short leash is great when there are guys behind him that may be better. There are not those guys right now.

[spurraider21]

Do people say this about Manu/Mills? I mean, why is the burden on TP so much when Mills is supposed to be better than the TOSB and Manu makes as much money as TP?
Look at how many minutes they play comparatively. Their salaries are irrelevant to the discussion.

[DPG21920]

Look at how many minutes they play comparatively.

Pretty similar minutes tbh..

[spurraider21]

Pretty similar minutes tbh..
Parker plays the most from them, and when he goes "unplayable" he tends to stall the offense by holding the ball much longer than the other two. We've seen pop pull manu because he has other options. Give green more minutes. Play Simmons or Anderson.

With the point guards, it's between mills and parker nearly exclusively. I'd rather have a cold mills than a ball stalling parker any day.

[DPG21920]

Parker plays the most from them, and when he goes "unplayable" he tends to stall the offense by holding the ball much longer than the other two. We've seen pop pull manu because he has other options. Give green more minutes. Play Simmons or Anderson.

With the point guards, it's between mills and parker nearly exclusively. I'd rather have a cold mills than a ball stalling parker any day.

Not at all. Especially factoring in defense. Look at the numbers on TP vs Conley and Mills vs Conley. Mills HAS to be hitting to provide value.

[spurraider21]

Not at all. Especially factoring in defense. Look at the numbers on TP vs Conley and Mills vs Conley. Mills HAS to be hitting to provide value.
TP has been playing very well this series. He hasn't gone "unplayable" yet.

I have no doubt that "good" TP is better than "bad" mills.

[dabom]

This motherfucker said defense. :lmao

[SpursforSix]

Official update...Phoenix Rising stage 10.

[Brazil]

This motherfucker said defense. :lmao

as funny as it sounds you have to recognize he did a great job those 2 first games against Conley brah... props need to be given when deserved tbh

I would be surprised if he can sustain it but outplaying Conley was not expected at all tbh and it eases greatly Spurs life tbh

[DPG21920]

This motherfucker said defense. :lmao

Eye ball test not trusting the TP vs Conley numbers I posted :lmao

[dabom]

as funny as it sounds you have to recognize he did a great job those 2 first games against Conley brah... props need to be given when deserved tbh

I would be surprised if he can sustain it but outplaying Conley was not expected at all tbh and it eases greatly Spurs life tbh

Party is playing great defense. Dpg acting like including defense OT somehow makes Parker better. :lol

[Splits]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9tt3MJU0AATYnk.jpg

[DPG21920]

TP has been playing very well this series. He hasn't gone "unplayable" yet.

I have no doubt that "good" TP is better than "bad" mills.

Bad TP is better than bad Mills is my point. His ball handling, ability to get LMA great shots and defense all make him still better than bad Mills.

Sure, if Mills/Manu aren't going 4/21 (a trend now vs MEM all year with how they have struggled) then sure.

[Seventyniner]

Not gonna hate when he's hitting those corner 3s, but he looked a bit gassed in the 2nd half.... hopefully these 2-3 days of rest help...

I was just about to write a response about how I agree with you and that Tony needs to be fresh. But then I looked at this:

https://preview.ibb.co/jJpM1Q/parker_rest.png
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/splits/2017

The numbers show that Tony has actually played really well on no rest, decent on 1 day of rest, and badly on 2+ days of rest. Pretty much the opposite of what I expected.

[DPG21920]

Party is playing great defense. Dpg acting like including defense OT somehow makes Parker better. :lol

Wow.

[DMC]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/4053291/08_Gatsby.png

:lol my nigga

[DPG21920]

I was just about to write a response about how I agree with you and that Tony needs to be fresh. But then I looked at this:

https://preview.ibb.co/jJpM1Q/parker_rest.png
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/splits/2017

The numbers show that Tony has actually played really well on no rest, decent on 1 day of rest, and badly on 2+ days of rest. Pretty much the opposite of what I expected.

Nice find. I think Nono is right, but in different context. I think the rest isn't about playing frequency like you have shown, but more about longer-term fatigue in stretches and his inability to stay healthy enough for long periods.

[spurraider21]

Bad TP is better than bad Mills is my point. His ball handling, ability to get LMA great shots and defense all make him still better than bad Mills.

Sure, if Mills/Manu aren't going 4/21 (a trend now vs MEM all year with how they have struggled) then sure.I disagree that bad TP has an ability to get anybody great shots. Bad TP tries to get penetration several times, fails, and then has to back the ball out with 7 seconds on the shot clock. He's a total possession killer. And then when he defers, teams don't respect his outside shot as much and the spacing gets difficult (unless he's able to make them pay with the 3-ball like he has thus far against Memphis).

[DMC]

Party is playing great defense. Dpg acting like including defense OT somehow makes Parker better. :lol

Patty is playing defense? Dude looks like someone's kid ran out of the stands and is just lost as fuck running around trying to get autographs.

[DMC]

I disagree that bad TP has an ability to get anybody great shots. Bad TP tries to get penetration several times, fails, and then has to back the ball out with 7 seconds on the shot clock. He's a total possession killer. And then when he defers, teams don't respect his outside shot as much and the spacing gets difficult (unless he's able to make them pay with the 3-ball like he has thus far against Memphis).

Bad TP gets snuffed in the paint several times and ends up on his back while a 5 on 4 is headed the other way. That and cornholing Erin.

[DPG21920]

I disagree that bad TP has an ability to get anybody great shots. Bad TP tries to get penetration several times, fails, and then has to back the ball out with 7 seconds on the shot clock. He's a total possession killer. And then when he defers, teams don't respect his outside shot as much and the spacing gets difficult (unless he's able to make them pay with the 3-ball like he has thus far against Memphis).

It has been proven unequivocally over a large sample size, that even "bad TP" gets LMA quality looks on a very consistent basis.

He might stifle the 3PT shooters some, but not the post up plays which SA runs more than any team (for a reason). Like that offense or not, that is SA offense and even "bad" TP does that better than Mills.

On top of that, Mills not playing well, while he provides the "threat" of spacing doesn't appear to have the gravity as much as you would think and you get the same issues so far of TP not being able to penetrate because Mills doesn't even bother trying because he can't.

[spurraider21]

It has been proven unequivocally over a large sample size, that even "bad TP" gets LMA quality looks on a very consistent basis.

He might stifle the 3PT shooters some, but not the post up plays which SA runs more than any team (for a reason). Like that offense or not, that is SA offense and even "bad" TP does that better than Mills.

On top of that, Mills not playing well, while he provides the "threat" of spacing doesn't appear to have the gravity as much as you would think and you get the same issues so far of TP not being able to penetrate because Mills doesn't even bother trying because he can't.but that's a benefit to patty... instead of wasting possessions trying to get penetration and killing the shot clock, he lets the offense go to work. whereas parker has no problem trying to penetrate when he can't, thus killing possessions instead of swinging the ball around much earlier.

its the same concept of praising somebody for good shot selection

[140]

Official update...Phoenix Rising stage 10.
:wow

[dabom]

Patty is playing defense? Dude looks like someone's kid ran out of the stands and is just lost as fuck running around trying to get autographs.

We must be getting blown out with patty then. :lmao

[DPG21920]

but that's a benefit to patty... instead of wasting possessions trying to get penetration and killing the shot clock, he lets the offense go to work. whereas parker has no problem trying to penetrate when he can't, thus killing possessions instead of swinging the ball around much earlier.

its the same concept of praising somebody for good shot selection

TP takes mostly good shots. Whether he makes them or not does not dictate whether they are good shots. Again, for the offense SA runs, TP gets more consistent quality looks for others than Mills.

I guess the best way to illustrate this point is for the first half of the season TP with the starters vs Mills with the same starters you had TP a + and Mills more of a -.

Over the 2nd half, it was great to see Mills be a + with that unit, even more than TP was, but TP was still a +.

Mills playing great can definitely be a plus, but Mills playing poorly is not. TP playing great has SA being the best version of themselves when TP not playing great can still be a + (to a much lesser degree) because of the "other" things he does when not shooting well.

Boiled down, Mills not shooting well only provides spacing and that has not proven to be enough to be a positive alone. TP not shooting well still gets the PnR sets going, gets guys like LMA higher quailty looks and plays better defense.

[dabom]

Bad TP gets snuffed in the paint several times and ends up on his back while a 5 on 4 is headed the other way. That and cornholing Erin.

:lol

[Brazil]

Party is playing great defense. Dpg acting like including defense OT somehow makes Parker better. :lol

I'm pretty sure DPG is speaking about those 2 games

I for one don't think Patty is much better than Parker overall but that's another topic.

Point is that one cannot complain with Parker effort and result on defense so far.

[140]

TP takes mostly good shots.
:lmao

[DPG21920]

I'm pretty sure DPG is speaking about those 2 games

I for one don't think Patty is much better than Parker overall but that's another topic.

Point is that one cannot complain with Parker effort and result on defense so far.

I'm speaking overall TP has always been levels better than Mills on defense. Even this year, while the gap may have closed some, TP is better. Vs MEM specifically? TP has been a great Conley defender while Mills has been atrocious and nothing in these first two games has changed that narrative at all.

[spurraider21]

TP takes mostly good shots. Whether he makes them or not does not dictate whether they are good shots. Again, for the offense SA runs, TP gets more consistent quality looks for others than Mills.

I guess the best way to illustrate this point is for the first half of the season TP with the starters vs Mills with the same starters you had TP a + and Mills more of a -.

Over the 2nd half, it was great to see Mills be a + with that unit, even more than TP was, but TP was still a +.

Mills playing great can definitely be a plus, but Mills playing poorly is not. TP playing great has SA being the best version of themselves when TP not playing great can still be a + (to a much lesser degree) because of the "other" things he does when not shooting well.

Boiled down, Mills not shooting well only provides spacing and that has not proven to be enough to be a positive alone. TP not shooting well still gets the PnR sets going, gets guys like LMA higher quailty looks and plays better defense.my point in all this is that when TP is "bad parker" i worry his leash is too long. i dont think that's been a problem with mills/manu

[dabom]

I'm pretty sure DPG is speaking about those 2 games

I for one don't think Patty is much better than Parker overall but that's another topic.

Point is that one cannot complain with Parker effort and result on defense so far.

Patty closes out games. This is "your best 5 vs my best 5" time. Clearly he is better even if he shoots 0-8. :lol

[DPG21920]

my point in all this is that when TP is "bad parker" i worry his leash is too long

I am fine with that. Just pointing out that like people that scream "start Murray" just because TP is playing bad does not automatically mean there are better options.

Especially when viewed under the lense of: 1) Is Manu/Mills playing well at that time & 2) Even if Manu/Mills are playing well, does that ceiling make it enough for SA to win or do you just need to hope TP does his thing so that ceiling can be achieved?

[DAF86]

If neither TP nor Mills are playing well on a particular game I hope Pop plays another option (Murray, Manu at PG, even Kyle or Simmons), but if I really have to choose between bad Mills and bad TP, Patty should get the nod, if only because of spacing. That's one thing Mills will always provide over Tony. And no, in the real current World that we are living right now, a bad TP doesn't provide any of the things dpg is saying.

[spurraider21]

start murray never made sense... and patty has been so great in the second unit, it's not worth tinkering with (same with Pau even when dedmon is struggling)

[gambit1990]

I disagree that bad TP has an ability to get anybody great shots. Bad TP tries to get penetration several times, fails, and then has to back the ball out with 7 seconds on the shot clock. He's a total possession killer. And then when he defers, teams don't respect his outside shot as much and the spacing gets difficult (unless he's able to make them pay with the 3-ball like he has thus far against Memphis).

[DPG21920]

If neither TP nor Mills are playing well on a particular game I hope Pop plays another option (Murray, Manu at PG, even Kyle or Simmons), but if I really have to choose between bad Mills and bad TP, Patty should get the nod, if only because of spacing. That's one thing Mills will always provide over Tony. And no, in the real current World that we are living right now, a bad TP doesn't provide any of the things dpg is saying.

That is simply not true. Look at the Conley vs TP and Conley vs Mills numbers I posted. TP's defense of Conley is better than non-shooting Mills. It just is.

I agree with you though. I would like to see Pop get creative in the event TP stops being so good. Mills and Manu are not the answer at their current levels of play so he will have to try new things and hopefully get contributions from many people.

[dabom]

Let's bench Patty. :lol

[dabom]

If neither TP nor Mills are playing well on a particular game I hope Pop plays another option (Murray, Manu at PG, even Kyle or Simmons), but if I really have to choose between bad Mills and bad TP, Patty should get the nod, if only because of spacing. That's one thing Mills will always provide over Tony. And no, in the real current World that we are living right now, a bad TP doesn't provide any of the things dpg is saying.

:lol :tu

[DPG21920]

Let's bench Patty. :lol

No one is saying that. But if Mills isn't playing well you can't just give him minutes because TP is not playing well. Hopefully, at least 1 of TP/Mills/Manu is playing well on a given night (like actually scoring points because Kawhi/LMA can't score them all).

Mills should get a chance every game, but if he's not playing well and neither is TP, go to Manu for longer stretches and if he's not playing well, go to different lineups etc..

[gambit1990]

If neither TP nor Mills are playing well on a particular game I hope Pop plays another option (Murray, Manu at PG, even Kyle or Simmons), but if I really have to choose between bad Mills and bad TP, Patty should get the nod, if only because of spacing. That's one thing Mills will always provide over Tony. And no, in the real current World that we are living right now, a bad TP doesn't provide any of the things dpg is saying.

[DAF86]

That is simply not true. Look at the Conley vs TP and Conley vs Mills numbers I posted. TP's defense of Conley is better than non-shooting Mills. It just is.

I agree with you though. I would like to see Pop get creative in the event TP stops being so good. Mills and Manu are not the answer at their current levels of play so he will have to try new things and hopefully get contributions from many people.

Playing any of TP or Patty for defensive porpuses. :lol

You do realize that Danny will be the one guarding Conley when the chips are down, right? You saying bad TP should play over bad Patty to matchup with Conley is irrelevant.

[DPG21920]

Playing any of TP or Patty for defensive porpuses. :lol

You do realize that Danny will be the one guarding Conley when the chips are down, right? You saying bad TP should play over bad Patty to matchup with Conley is irrelevant.

Except when it's not. If you are talking about to end games only? Ok. Fair point. But basketball is long game.

[Brazil]

Patty closes out games. This is "your best 5 vs my best 5" time. Clearly he is better even if he shoots 0-8. :lol

The fact that Mills close out games has nothing to do with defense tho

Patty closes games because he spreads the floor with his 3 pts shooting and because Kawhi runs defense anyway... not really because best 5 vs best 5 tbh.. He is closing out games he is better at gtfo of Kawhi way and create space, nothing to do with with him being a better defender

but again those topics have nothing to do what is being discussed here

[Brazil]

nice deflection tho :lol

[Brazil]

If neither TP nor Mills are playing well on a particular game I hope Pop plays another option (Murray, Manu at PG, even Kyle or Simmons), but if I really have to choose between bad Mills and bad TP, Patty should get the nod, if only because of spacing. That's one thing Mills will always provide over Tony.

exactly

[dabom]

The fact that Mills close out games has nothing to do with defense tho

Patty closes games because he spreads the floor with his 3 pts shooting and because Kawhi runs defense anyway... not really because best 5 vs best 5 tbh.. He is closing out games he is better at gtfo of Kawhi way and create space, nothing to do with with him being a better defender

but again those topics have nothing to do what is being discussed here

I don't think you understand what best 5 means. I'll let that sink in for you. :lmao

[Brazil]

I don't think you understand what best 5 means. I'll let that sink in for you. :lmao

:rolleyes

[DAF86]

Except when it's not. If you are talking about to end games only? Ok. Fair point. But basketball is long game.

Yeah, I'm talking about end of games. Pop isn't going to play anyone else but Tony or Mills at PG on the middle of 1sr and 2nd quarters, tbh.

[gambit1990]

"tony makes la better"... game 2: la takes 8 shots, tony takes 14.

[Seventyniner]

Nice find. I think Nono is right, but in different context. I think the rest isn't about playing frequency like you have shown, but more about longer-term fatigue in stretches and his inability to stay healthy enough for long periods.

The numbers are counterintuitive but your explanation makes sense. Tony tends to pick up nagging injuries when he gets fatigued (over the course of a few weeks, not within a game) and those seem to have a disproportionally detrimental effect on him.

[DPG21920]

Yeah, I'm talking about end of games. Pop isn't going to play anyone else but Tony or Mills at PG on the middle of 1sr and 2nd quarters, tbh.

I think he should try if things aren't going well. I was agreeing with your point. Against better teams, can't afford to fall behind too much too often.

[DPG21920]

"tony makes la better"... game 2: la takes 8 shots, tony takes 14.

Do we need the post LA's shooting numbers with TP compared to Mills :lol?

[ElNono]

It was a really physical game especially for the starters. They were having to work hard through a ton of contact.

agreed

[gambit1990]

Do we need the post LA's shooting numbers with TP compared to Mills :lol?
post the numbers for the series.

does tony have 1 assist to lma on the series yet? i know tony couldn't have assisted la more than three times over the past two games.

[DPG21920]

post the numbers for the series.

does tony have 1 assist to lma on the series yet? i know tony couldn't have assisted la more than three times over the past two games.

You really want to compare TP's numbers to Mills for just these 2 games :lol?

[dabom]

Can someone tell me the team porker could join and make.better? :lol

[dabom]

Is there an ideal lineup? :lol

[I. Hustle]

Can someone tell me the team porker could join and make.better? :lol

Can someone tell me who we could REALISTICALLY get to replace him to make us better?

[DPG21920]

Can someone tell me who we could REALISTICALLY get to replace him to make us better?

Not Mills or Manu or Simmons or Forbes or Murray this year.

[Mikeanaro]

Can someone tell me who we could REALISTICALLY get to replace him to make us better?
Isaiah Thomas, Choke Paul, Curry, if you throw a shit ton of money to them it would be realistic.

[DPG21920]

TP vs MEM in Playoffs:

PER: 25 / PPG: 16.5 / REB: 2.5 / AST: 1.5 / TO: 1 / FG% 52% / FT% None Taken / 3PT% 71%

Mills vs MEM in Playoffs:

PER: 3.3 / PPG: 7 / REB: 1.5 / AST: 1.5 / TO: 2 / FG% 31% / FT% 100% / 3PT% 37%

Manu v MEM in Playoffs:

PER: 3 / PPG: 0 / REB: 3.5 / AST: 2.5 / TO: 2 / FG% 0% / FT% None Taken / 3PT% 0%

[I. Hustle]

Isaiah Thomas, Choke Paul, Curry, if you throw a shit ton of money to them it would be realistic.

LOL We aren't getting any of those guys. IT is WWWAAAAYYYYYYY out of the question, especially with the year he just had. CP3 still thinks he is a $100 million dollar a year player. Curry isn't going anywhere. It would be interesting to go after his counterpart though KT since it is going to be difficult to sign Curry, KD, DG, KT and all the rest.

[dabom]

Can someone tell me who we could REALISTICALLY get to replace him to make us better?

You serious? :lol

Give me a list of the top 5 FAs this summer. :lmao

[I. Hustle]

Not Mills or Manu or Simmons or Forbes or Murray this year.

Murray is a project and might be great but that injury messed him up.

[DPG21920]

Murray is a project and might be great but that injury messed him up.

We will see. There is potential but it's not a given and I was really referencing just this year with who SA has on their current team.

[gambit1990]

Can someone tell me the team porker could join and make.better? :lol
:lol

tony makes lamarcus better because he's assisted him on 1 field goal over two playoff games.

[I. Hustle]

You serious? :lol

Give me a list of the top 5 FAs this summer. :lmao

Are YOU serious? Who do you think we could get? Curry?? Lowry?? CP3?? Teague?? Holiday??

What in the history of the Spurs would lead you to believe that any of those would be possible?

Don't get me wrong, I would take Curry or Lowry in a heartbeat but uuummmm so would their teams who could offer them more $$$$$

[I. Hustle]

We will see. There is potential but it's not a given and I was really referencing just this year with who SA has on their current team.

Yeah but none of them are consistent. We are just in a bad spot in regards to pg.

[dabom]

Are YOU serious? Who do you think we could get? Curry?? Lowry?? CP3?? Teague?? Holiday??

What in the history of the Spurs would lead you to believe that any of those would be possible?

Don't get me wrong, I would take Curry or Lowry in a heartbeat but uuummmm so would their teams who could offer them more $$$$$

People thought we could never land lma.

[DPG21920]

:lol

tony makes lamarcus better because he's assisted him on 1 field goal over two playoff games.

Mills with the same amount of assists but double the turnovers playing against bench players with a PER of 3 :lmao

[DPG21920]

Those TP vs Mills numbers in the playoffs where things actually matter :lol

Daboom & Gambit

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2Sqc3POpzkj5r8SQ/giphy.gif

[dabom]

I wonder what Porkers numbers look in the last 5 minutes of the game look like. :lmao

[Mikeanaro]

LOL We aren't getting any of those guys. IT is WWWAAAAYYYYYYY out of the question, especially with the year he just had. CP3 still thinks he is a $100 million dollar a year player. Curry isn't going anywhere. It would be interesting to go after his counterpart though KT since it is going to be difficult to sign Curry, KD, DG, KT and all the rest.
CJ McCollum?

[gambit1990]

Mills with the same amount of assists but double the turnovers playing against bench players with a PER of 3 :lmao
the subject was "tony makes lma better". hasn't been the case in two games.

and one of mills turnovers last night was just from holding the ball as the shot clock went off on their last possession.

[DPG21920]

the subject was "tony makes lma better". hasn't been the case in two games.

and one of mills turnovers last night was just from holding the ball as the shot clock went off on their last possession.

:lol Excuses are flying now. RUN FORREST RUNNNNNNN

[DPG21920]

I wonder what Porkers numbers look in the last 5 minutes of the game look like. :lmao

Better than a PER of 3. When Mills PER is as big as Dabooms wiener you know things are bad for both parties :lol

[gambit1990]

:lol Excuses are flying now. RUN FORREST RUNNNNNNN
it's not an excuse... it's literally what i said:

:lol

tony makes lamarcus better because he's assisted him on 1 field goal over two playoff games.

[DPG21920]

He does make LMA better. It's been proven and there is no debate. You trying to reduce it to a 2 game sample size because you're being an idiot (and still wrong) is hilarious.

The guy with a 3 PER isn't making anyone better sorry Charlie.

[SASdynasty!]

I wonder what Porkers numbers look in the last 5 minutes of the game look like. :lmao
Lol, used to you went from seasons to series. Then you went from series to games. Then you went from games to quarters. Now you can't even find bad quarters, so you go to 5 minute increments. What's next to discredit Parker? Individual plays? Individual dribbles?

[gambit1990]

He does make LMA better. It's been proven and there is no debate. You trying to reduce it to a 2 game sample size because you're being an idiot (and still wrong) is hilarious.

The guy with a 3 PER isn't making anyone better sorry Charlie.
:lmao:lmao:lmao

read every post you've made in this thread... the sample size has been for 2 games or less :lmao

i'm not reducing anything, it's called the amount of playoff games we've played so far... 1 + 1 = 2

damn, i never knew i'd have to break it down that simple for someone on here.

[DPG21920]

:lol Trying to act like you are somehow winning this

[DPG21920]

Lol, used to you went from seasons to series. Then you went from series to games. Then you went from games to quarters. Now you can't even find bad quarters, so you go to 5 minute increments. What's next to discredit Parker? Individual plays? Individual dribbles?

:lmao

[SAGirl]

tony has been having a great series.
HOpefully he keeps his hot 3 pt shooting, his aggressiveness and he stays healthy.

[midnightpulp]

I'll sum up the DPG vs Gambit argument:


*Logical argument supported by stats and objective observations*



http://oi65.tinypic.com/29ljqzn.jpg

[midnightpulp]

And is the Helmet crew really invoking assists as a measure of playmaking/unselfishness?

:lmao

What is this, the 1990s?

[gambit1990]

the subject was "tony makes lma better". hasn't been the case in two games.

[TheGreatYacht]

And is the Helmet crew really invoking assists as a measure of playmaking/unselfishness?

:lmao

What is this, the 1990s?
:lmao

[SpursforSix]

Can someone tell me the team porker could join and make.better? :lol

Is this restrictive to the NBA?

[dabom]

Is this restrictive to the NBA?

Unfortunately.:lol

[SpursforSix]

Unfortunately.:lol

Hmmmm. Does this include teams that want to take in salary and tank for a lottery pick?

[dabom]

Hmmmm. Does this include teams that want to take in salary and tank for a lottery pick?

I guess if we consider playing to lose, he'd actually make them better in that regard.

[FkLA]

And is the Helmet crew really invoking assists as a measure of playmaking/unselfishness?

:lmao

What is this, the 1990s?

You bring up assists to compliment him here:


No wonder this dude is such a ladies man :lol

He's been playing well lately, averaging 18 and 5 dimes on 51% over his last 4, and 12ppg on 48% over his last 10, which is more than acceptable.

Once again, like a poker player committed to a pot, we're priced in on him and just have to hope he holds up like a pair of Aces facing a draw heavy board. Patty House is not a fuckin' starter, and the rubes who back him as one need to get that through their thick skulls. Patty is also back to his 1 good game out of every 5 routine. He's just not consistent enough. He's also too short to defend like 99% of the starting PGs in the league. :tu as a backup, but that's it.

I do wish we had another option, of course. A strained ass cheek here or a tummy ache there, and Parker's game falls off a cliff. But we don't, so like last year, I'm willing to gamble. If he can give us that consistent 12-13ppg on good efficiency, while the rest play up to par, we have a puncher's chance.

But those dimes become irrelevant as soon as he has a 14:1 FGA to assist ratio. :td

[SpursforSix]

I guess if we consider playing to lose, he'd actually make them better in that regard.

He is The Phoenix.

[gambit1990]

what i said:

"tony makes la better"... game 2: la takes 8 shots, tony takes 14.

tony makes lamarcus better because he's assisted him on 1 field goal over two playoff games.

the subject was "tony makes lma better". hasn't been the case in two games.
there's been two playoff games. tony didn't make la better in either.

[gambit1990]

mid throwing assists out the window even though he uses them.

but also


In general, basketball "advanced stats" are garbage.

even though he uses them too :lmao

[Seventyniner]

Lol, used to you went from seasons to series. Then you went from series to games. Then you went from games to quarters. Now you can't even find bad quarters, so you go to 5 minute increments. What's next to discredit Parker? Individual plays? Individual dribbles?

Damn.

[will_spurs]

Lol, used to you went from seasons to series. Then you went from series to games. Then you went from games to quarters. Now you can't even find bad quarters, so you go to 5 minute increments. What's next to discredit Parker? Individual plays? Individual dribbles?

/thread

[I. Hustle]

CJ McCollum?

That would be a nice pickup but do you think it's possible? You don't think the Blazers would want to hold on to him?

[$pursDynasty]

You bring up assists to compliment him here:



But those dimes become irrelevant as soon as he has a 14:1 FGA to assist ratio. :td
depends on how many of those 14 FGs he makes. Assists are a funny as to when they are awarded and when they aren't. There are times I swear TP sets the table for LMA to hit his shot at least 8 times but look at the box score and he only has 2 assists. If the offense is flowing, everyone is scoring and getting their shot, how many arbitrary assigned assists a player gets mean nothing to me at all. Since what is considered an assist by Russ in OKC is not considered an assist by Tony in SA.

[gambit1990]

it's great tp has shot the 3 better than he did the entire season. he won't shoot 71% forever, spoiler alert.

1.5 assists for the starting PG is just... inexcusable. it's amazing people here can just brush that off.

[Seventyniner]

it's great tp has shot the 3 better than he did the entire season. he won't shoot 71% forever, spoiler alert.

1.5 assists for the starting PG is just... inexcusable. it's amazing people here can just brush that off.

71% FG is a fluke but 1.5 APG isn't?

[gambit1990]

71% FG is a fluke but 1.5 APG isn't?
71% from 3 is definitely more of a fluke. tony only averaged 4.5 assists in the regular season...

[SASdynasty!]

71% FG is a fluke but 1.5 APG isn't?
Haha, yah I love the double standard these guys have.

[$pursDynasty]

Haha, yah I love the double standard these guys have.
happens in ST often, real +?- is a crap stat until it proves your point, as are assists, as are minutes as is FG %. It is the most objective metric in the world when it supports your point but a crap stat when it goes against it. Sort of like unemployment numbers in politics. The numbers suck when the other party is in power but are strangely optimistic when your party is, even when it is the exact same numbers. So if it happens in political arguments it can happen here, it is kind of intellectually dishonest but everybody does it from time to time.