Trump administration loses aircraft carrier

[RandomGuy]

Just so we are clear what we are talking about:

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170418132604-uss-vinson-sundra-strait-exlarge-169.jpg


https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/04/how-did-the-trump-administration-lose-an-aircraft-carrier/523458/



Asked about the deployment in an interview with Fox Business Network that aired April 12, President Trump said: "We are sending an armada, very powerful."





On April 9, as tension between the U.S. and North Korea over missile tests rose, the U.S. announced it was dispatching the USS Carl Vinson, an aircraft carrier, and its retinue, toward the Korean peninsula. “U.S. Pacific Command ordered the Carl Vinson Strike Group north as a prudent measure to maintain readiness and presence in the Western Pacific,” a Navy spokesman said at the time.

There was one flaw in the plan, as The New York Times reports:

The problem was, the carrier, the Carl Vinson, and the four other warships in its strike force were at that very moment sailing in the opposite direction, to take part in joint exercises with the Australian Navy in the Indian Ocean, 3,500 miles southwest of the Korean Peninsula.


Not sure whether to laugh cry, or head for the hills.

Fucking moron in the White House should spend less time golfing and tweeting about his daughter's business, and more time doing his fucking job.

[baseline bum]

Fucking moron in the White House should spend less time golfing and tweeting about his daughter's business, and more time doing his fucking job.

The thought of fascist Trump if he had the skill and work ethic to get his garbage through congress is a scary one. Probably better he continues not spending much time trying to do his job.

[DarrinS]

So, it's not lost?

[TeyshaBlue]

US Pacific Command. lol

[spurraider21]

So, it's not lost?It's as lost as the healthcare bill was

[Wild Cobra]

So, it's not lost?

The Clinton News Network just doesn't stop with the slander.

[Wild Cobra]

Not sure whether to laugh cry, or head for the hills.

Fucking moron in the White House should spend less time golfing and tweeting about his daughter's business, and more time doing his fucking job.

Do you honestly think he didn't know where the carrier group was?

If the media didn't tell North Korea, they probably wouldn't know any better that the group was scheduled to go their after the exercises.

[D_Admiral]

This just in MSM reports trump lost all of USA nuclear arsenal:lol

[Wild Cobra]

This just in MSM reports trump lost all of USA nuclear arsenal:lol

It's funny watching how desperate they are getting. Even more funny watching the libtards believe the lies.

[Wild Cobra]

Correction....

It's pathetic how stupid the left is.

[TeyshaBlue]

Found it! It was under the couch cusion because, republican.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/trumps-missing-armada-finally-heading-to-korea--and-may-stay-a-while/2017/04/19/734ac5e7-ad0c-4395-9cfe-43a9596dca7b_story.html?utm_term=.227e27e0cb52

[RandomGuy]

So, it's not lost?

It never was lost. The ship knew where it was, the mental defectives in the executive branch... didn't.

Do I need to use smaller words?

[RandomGuy]

Do you honestly think he didn't know where the carrier group was?

If the media didn't tell North Korea, they probably wouldn't know any better that the group was scheduled to go their after the exercises.

I honestly don't.

It is yet another fucktarded, embarrassing move.

[RandomGuy]

Do you honestly think he didn't know where the carrier group was?

If the media didn't tell North Korea, they probably wouldn't know any better that the group was scheduled to go their after the exercises.

Hell, let's go with your alternative facts: "he knew but was bluffing". Bluffing about where an aircraft carrier is, is fucking stupid because you can't fake the location of such a huge ship and its escorts, you WILL get found out.

So either he was stupid for not knowing where the carrier was, or stupid for bluffing about it.

Which kind of stupid is it?

[TSA]

Not sure whether to laugh cry, or head for the hills.

Heading for the hills after this embarrassment of a thread.

[TeyshaBlue]

So the POTUS is supposed to know the daily location of each ship in our fleets. Alrighty then. :rolleyes

[RandomGuy]

So the POTUS is supposed to know the daily location of each ship in our fleets. Alrighty then. :rolleyes

No, POTUS should be sure of his facts when he says:


: "We are sending an armada, very powerful."


Guess that is what daily briefings are for, unless you have the intellect of a gnat.

Should the president be responsible for knowing where he is sending carrier battle groups, or simply paying attention in briefings?

Are you saying he shouldn't?

[RandomGuy]

Heading for the hills after this embarrassment of a thread.

Hell, let's go with your alternative facts: "he knew but was bluffing". Bluffing about where an aircraft carrier is, is fucking stupid because you can't fake the location of such a huge ship and its escorts, you WILL get found out.

So either he was stupid for not knowing where the carrier was, or stupid for bluffing about it.

Which kind of stupid is it?

[TSA]

Hell, let's go with your alternative facts: "he knew but was bluffing". Bluffing about where an aircraft carrier is, is fucking stupid because you can't fake the location of such a huge ship and its escorts, you WILL get found out.

So either he was stupid for not knowing where the carrier was, or stupid for bluffing about it.

Which kind of stupid is it?

You're rattled and confusing posters. I didn't offer any "alternative facts". Time to go back in hiding.

[RandomGuy]

You're rattled and confusing posters. I didn't offer any "alternative facts". Time to go back in hiding.

No, I'm simply posing the same question to you, not that you got the stones or intellectual honesty to answer.

Which kind of stupid do you think it was?

[TeyshaBlue]

No, POTUS should be sure of his facts when he says:


Guess that is what daily briefings are for, unless you have the intellect of a gnat.

Should the president be responsible for knowing where he is sending carrier battle groups, or simply paying attention in briefings?

Are you saying he shouldn't?
So youre privy to the contents of the daily briefing? Ok.

Im saying handling the logistics of fleet movement and task force composition is the job of Pacific Command who was apparently clueless.

[DMC]

Everyone knew where it was. It's full of sailors who call home daily. It's the size of a mall. Trump is just feeding bullshit to the media like he always does and the dipshits here keep buying it.

[Wild Cobra]

I honestly don't.

It is yet another fucktarded, embarrassing move.

In your opinion, which means in my opinion, the media has you fooled.

[RandomGuy]

So youre privy to the contents of the daily briefing? Ok.

Im saying handling the logistics of fleet movement and task force composition is the job of Pacific Command who was apparently clueless.

So the president isn't responsible for being sure about his facts?

[RandomGuy]

In your opinion, which means in my opinion, the media has you fooled.


AP: Do you feel like you have changed the office of the presidency, how the presidency can be used to effect change?

TRUMP: I think the 100 days is, you know, it's an artificial barrier. It's not very meaningful. I think I've established amazing relationships that will be used the four or eight years, whatever period of time I'm here. I think for that I would be getting very high marks because I've established great relationships with countries, as President el-Sissi has shown and others have shown. Well, if you look at the president of China, people said they've never seen anything like what's going on right now. I really liked him a lot. I think he liked me. We have a great chemistry together. ...



TRUMP: I've developed great relationships with all of these leaders. Nobody's written that. In fact, they said, "Oh, well, he's not treating them nicely," because on NATO, I want them to pay up. But I still get along with them great, and they will pay up. In fact, with the Italian prime minister yesterday, you saw, we were joking, "Come on, you have to pay up, you have to pay up." He'll pay.

AP: Did he say that? In your meeting? Your private meeting?

TRUMP: He's going to end up paying. But you know, nobody ever asked the question. Nobody asked. Nobody ever asked him to pay up. So it's a different kind of a presidency.

AP: Do you feel like that's one thing that you've changed, that you maybe are actually asking the direct questions about some of these things?

TRUMP: Yeah. Let me give me an example. A little before I took office there was a terrible article about the F-35 fighter jet. It was hundreds of billions of dollars over budget. It was seven years behind schedule. It was a disaster. So I called in Lockheed and I said, "I'm sorry, we're going to have to bid this out to another company, namely Boeing," or whoever else. But Boeing. And I called in Boeing and I started getting competing offers back and forth. ...

TRUMP: I saved $725 million on the 90 planes. Just 90. Now there are 3,000 planes that are going to be ordered. On 90 planes I saved $725 million. It's actually a little bit more than that, but it's $725 million. Gen. Mattis, who had to sign the deal when it came to his office, said, "I've never seen anything like this in my life." We went from a company that wanted more money for the planes to a company that cut. And the reason they cut — same planes, same everything — was because of me. I mean, because that's what I do.

TRUMP: Now if you multiply that times 3,000 planes, you know this is on 90 planes. In fact, when the Prime Minister (Shinzo) Abe of Japan came in because they bought a certain number of those ... The first thing he said to me, because it was right at the time I did it, he said, "Could I thank you?" I said, "What?" He said, "You saved us $100 million." Because they got a $100 million savings on the 10 or 12 planes that they (bought). Nobody wrote that story. Now you know that's a saving of billions and billions of dollars, many billions of dollars over the course of — it's between 2,500 and 3,000 planes will be the final order. But this was only 90 of those 2,500 planes.


(AP transcript of interview, not too hard to find)

I miss presidents that could speak in complete sentences.

Is that something the media makes up? Here is your Golfer-in-Chief, word for word, in context.

Does this read like a sharp intellect to you?

[TeyshaBlue]

So the president isn't responsible for being sure about his facts?

Trump: Let's move some heat over to Korea.
Pacific Command: Alrighty.. We'll get right on it.


I'm thinking there hasn't ever been a POTUS who was able to pinpoint each ship in a fleet on a daily basis. That's why you have military commanders and their Command structures to handle the details. The POTUS is not playing battleship.

[TSA]

POTUS has no time for battleship. POTUS has a tee time bright and early.

[RandomGuy]

Trump: Let's move some heat over to Korea.
Pacific Command: Alrighty.. We'll get right on it.


I'm thinking there hasn't ever been a POTUS who was able to pinpoint each ship in a fleet on a daily basis. That's why you have military commanders and their Command structures to handle the details. The POTUS is not playing battleship.

Dude, he wasn't talking about pin pointing their location. He was saying they were moving in a direction when in reality they were moving in the opposite direction.

So the answer is "no, presidents don't have to be responsible for getting their facts straight". We have lowered the bar for this guy because he has a magic "R" behind his name, got that loud and clear.

[TeyshaBlue]

Has nothing to do with political affiliation..at least to me. Maybe I should put clown pictures in my sig. :rolleyes Start here with your finger pointing.

U.S. Pacific Command ordered the Carl Vinson Strike Group north as a prudent measure to maintain readiness and presence in the Western Pacific,” a Navy spokesman said at the time.