Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[raybies]

Gibson to Minny, Ibaka back with Toronto

[Ice009]

Gibson to Minny, Ibaka back with Toronto

21.6 Million for Ibaka per season. Man, these contracts are insane.

[CGD]

Gibson to Minny, Ibaka back with Toronto

Man that's a lot for Serge. Gotta think they're gonna part ways with Jonas soon.

[tbdog]

Spurs may very well still be looking at guards. White is not a sure thing, Manu may be gone and Simmons is not a lock to return

Murray and mills at pg Parker rehabbing till January
Green, white and Forbes at sg with Simmons and Manu as unknowns.

We obviously need backup plans but that is a lot of guards if they all come back. Which makes me think we are going to a small. LMA and Gasol will split the center position. If LMA gets traded, I got no idea.

[tbdog]

With Taj going to the timberwolves, Dieng could be grabbed here. It will take Green to trade though.

[tbdog]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8fgbo8d

[TimDunkem]

They're not moving their only center worth a damn. At least not right now. Spurs don't need centers either. They need real playmakers.

[tbdog]

Twolves have towns as their main center.

[TimDunkem]

With Dieng backing him up.

[tbdog]

They got another center backing Towns up

[TimDunkem]

Some rookie? Gibson is a PF.

They're not trading any one of their young pieces before they even play a game together. Especially not for Danny fresh out da club Green and Darrell fucking Arthur. :lmao

[BatManu20]

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[TheGreatYacht]

Danny fresh out da club Green
:lmao

[BillMc]

Chuck Miketinac (http://www.spurstalk.com/MaxSportsSA?p=s)
@MaxSportsSA (http://www.spurstalk.com/MaxSportsSA?p=s)



Manu Ginobili's agent, Herb Rudoy, tells Max Sports Manu STILL hasn't made up his mind on whether to return for another season.

10:23 AM - 1 Jul 2017 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#) from Kingsville, TX




Thanks for the update. :toast We've heard so little on the Manu front.

[BatManu20]

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[TimDunkem]

:lmao
Fucker was dancing with LeBron after losing in 2013 and has spent every off-season since 2014 partying instead of learning how to dribble and run at the same time. :lmao

[tbdog]

Some rookie? Gibson is a PF.

They're not trading any one of their young pieces before they even play a game together. Especially not for Danny fresh out da club Green and Darrell fucking Arthur. :lmao


They got Aldrich who backed up Jordan in the clippers and is their backup. Dieng was their starting pf and not backup center. Arthur also is a neat player and one of the better pick n roll defenders in the pf spot. Plus he plays similar to Gibson. Also they are extremely short at the wing position outside their starters. I think the twolves take that deal before we do.

[TimDunkem]

T'Wolves have actually been trying to dump Aldrich, not Dieng. :lmao

[tbdog]

Then they pay deing 15 million to play 13mins a game.

[TimDunkem]

I've yet to see a trade proposed by anyone here in 8 years of posting and 10 of lurking that actually happened.

So we can cross this one off, tbh.

[cd021]

They building a team for the Warriors. Small ball, high offense, shooters. They might struggle against big teams like twolves, spurs if we stay big which I think we won't.

I hope we won't. We have the players to play smaller as-is, might as well commit to doing so rather than playing 4 traditional big's a game. Hopefully Simmons returns and Pop decides to close games with Leonard at the four along with Simmons, Green, LMA and either Manu (if he returns) Mills or Murray

[BatManu20]

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[DPG21920]

I've yet to see a trade proposed by anyone here in 8 years of posting and 10 of lurking that actually happened.

So we can cross this one off, tbh.

A lot of us called the Tiago trade tbh..

[TimDunkem]

1 for 1000 then.

[cjw]

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This could be why Spurs aren't in a rush to sign guys. Money drying up across the league and there will be good contracts. Good contracts can always be flipped.

Next offseason should be even more of a bargain with teams having significant space using it up this summer. I know crop isn't stellar, but totally serviceable.

[Jdspur20]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8fgbo8d

That would be amazing if it happend. Love Barton and Chandler

[Jdspur20]

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This could be why Spurs aren't in a rush to sign guys. Money drying up across the league and there will be good contracts. Good contracts can always be flipped.

Next offseason should be even more of a bargain with teams having significant space using it up this summer. I know crop isn't stellar, but totally serviceable.

Very solid point.

[raybies]

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This could be why Spurs aren't in a rush to sign guys. Money drying up across the league and there will be good contracts. Good contracts can always be flipped.

Next offseason should be even more of a bargain with teams having significant space using it up this summer. I know crop isn't stellar, but totally serviceable.
CAme here to post the same basically. There should be a lot of steals. Spurs can pretty much have their pick of the litter. Need that MLE.

[raybies]

Been super quiet on the Simmons, Dedmon front. Can't be getting more than the MLE now right.

[raybies]

Who still with cap? Kings and Brooklyn right. We'll see...

[Ron Swanson]

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This could be why Spurs aren't in a rush to sign guys. Money drying up across the league and there will be good contracts. Good contracts can always be flipped.

Next offseason should be even more of a bargain with teams having significant space using it up this summer. I know crop isn't stellar, but totally serviceable.

Great point.

[Mr. Body]

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This could be why Spurs aren't in a rush to sign guys. Money drying up across the league and there will be good contracts. Good contracts can always be flipped.

Next offseason should be even more of a bargain with teams having significant space using it up this summer. I know crop isn't stellar, but totally serviceable.

Some of the contracts are insane. Usually are, but like GSW is going to pay a fortune in a couple years and Houston will be in a world of hurt, etc.

[CGD]

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Lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

On top of Simmons and Dedmon, with money drying up you have out there:

Brandon Bass
Bogdanovic
Gallinari
Ilyasova
McLemore
Motiejunas
Speights
Porter (restricted)
Waiters

[sasaint]

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This could be why Spurs aren't in a rush to sign guys. Money drying up across the league and there will be good contracts. Good contracts can always be flipped.

Next offseason should be even more of a bargain with teams having significant space using it up this summer. I know crop isn't stellar, but totally serviceable.

The well sure dried up on George Hill.

[SAGirl]

The well sure dried up on George Hill.

I am hoping Simmons will come back down to earth on his expectations. I doubt Spurs pay him more than Mills so his price in the Spurs is set.

[raybies]

The well sure dried up on George Hill.
How do you go from that Utah extension to nobody wanting you... He needs to fire his agent

[sasaint]

How do you go from that Utah extension to nobody wanting you... He needs to fire his agent

I texted him to let him know I am available.

[sasaint]

I am hoping Simmons will come back down to earth on his expectations. I doubt Spurs pay him more than Mills so his price in the Spurs is set.

Hard to imagine that Simmons would get offers substantially more than the Spurs' offer when George Hill is now begging. (Not to compare Hill and JSimms as players...)

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Hell. At this point Spurs. Luke still get Hill. His price and market had collapsed.

[raybies]

Korver to cavs

[raybies]

Simmons, Evans, or Waiters? Lol Simmons waiting to get paid with all these names on the board. Better sign for 9 per before it turns to like 5 per

[Jdspur20]

Still a chance Spurs could get Hill?

[raybies]

Still a chance Spurs could get Hill?
Lol thinking the same... what if they do the ole wup tee dew on Mills and give it to Hill.

[Ron Swanson]

Nene got a new deal from Houston.

3 years, $11 million

[BatManu20]

Houston not not messing around.

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[objective]

881551342770192386

This could be why Spurs aren't in a rush to sign guys. Money drying up across the league and there will be good contracts. Good contracts can always be flipped.

Next offseason should be even more of a bargain with teams having significant space using it up this summer. I know crop isn't stellar, but totally serviceable.

They already did sign sign a guy in a rush though ...

[cd98]

Still a chance Spurs could get Hill?

Well Spurs seem to be getting combo players instead of guys that just play one position. In that sense, Hill works as he can play and guard ones and twos. But given their roster of combo guards, I don't think they sign any more guards unless it's on the cheap. I think they will give Parker a chance to reestabish himself. I think they will be looking at guys that can play 2,3, and 4 and then an athletic big for the 4 and 5.

[cd98]

I am hoping Simmons will come back down to earth on his expectations. I doubt Spurs pay him more than Mills so his price in the Spurs is set.

If I were the Spurs, I'd just sign Ben McLemore.

[Jdspur20]

If I were the Spurs, I'd just sign Ben McLemore.

And he would be cheaper and probably be the same off the bench Simmons

[CGD]

Korver to cavs

Sign Cedi Osman and then flip both to Spurs for green. Do it!

[gambit1990]

Houston not not messing around.

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spurs will be paying gasol much more than that :lol

[Hoops Czar]

Meanwhile, RC putting together his list of training camp invitees to fill out the rotation as we speak....

Cory Maggette
Carlos Boozer
Luke Ridnour
Sasha vujacic
Joel Anthony
Donatas montiejunas

Take that Houston, GS and T-Pups

[gambit1990]

Meanwhile, RC putting together his list of training camp invitees to fill out the rotation as we speak....

Cory Maggette
Carlos Boozer
Luke Ridnour
Sasha vujacic
Joel Anthony
Donatas montiejunas
you forgot kirilenko and nocioni.

[Mr. Body]

Meanwhile, RC putting together his list of training camp invitees to fill out the rotation as we speak....

Cory Maggette
Carlos Boozer
Luke Ridnour
Sasha vujacic
Joel Anthony
Donatas montiejunas

Take that Houston, GS and T-Pups

Ira Newble.
Chucky Brown.

[TimDunkem]

I hear Roger Mason Jr. wants to get back into the league. We should sign him up since we're resigning guys who can't run the point.

[CGD]

This is hilarious.

That said I'm content seeing improvements at the margin and knowing Spurs will still be a top 4 team in NBA.

[TD 21]

:lmao At those still clinging to this "CIA Pop" nonsense, as if Spurs are outsmarting everyone and are going to end up with piece that moves needle for MLE.

Weren't even mentioned as being interested in Reed, when they desperately need an athletic, mobile big. Watch them go even cheaper, with some combination of Lee, Splitter, Black, Allen, Robinson, etc.

If they were really about maximizing '18 flexibility, they could have signed Meeks for 2/$7M, let Mills walk and signed a minimal veteran third PG. I don't see some master plan; I see a front office that's content.


As an aside, I find it comical how Van Gundy and Thibodeau do a lot of the same things Rivers has always received criticism for from the media, but they're geniuses and he's an idiot. Timberwolves need wing depth and a stretch big and instead blow remaining cap space on another limited to non shooting big.

[szkorhetz]

I would cry in my joy if Durant would pull a LBJ and actually went back to OKC, after they trade for PG. :D

Westbrook-PG-Durant is better than GSW without Durant, TBH. :D

[bklynspursfan]

:lmao At those still clinging to this "CIA Pop" nonsense, as if Spurs are outsmarting everyone and are going to end up with piece that moves needle for MLE.

Weren't even mentioned as being interested in Reed, when they desperately need an athletic, mobile big. Watch them go even cheaper, with some combination of Lee, Splitter, Black, Allen, Robinson, etc.

If they were really about maximizing '18 flexibility, they could have signed Meeks for 2/$7M, let Mills walk and signed a minimal veteran third PG. I don't see some master plan; I see a front office that's content.


As an aside, I find it comical how Van Gundy and Thibodeau do a lot of the same things Rivers has always received criticism for from the media, but they're geniuses and he's an idiot. Timberwolves need wing depth and a stretch big and instead blow remaining cap space on another limited to non shooting big.

That's been proven not to mean much tho, especially when it comes to role players. You seldom hear they have legit interest in a guy like that, until it's close to or has been made official.

[Ron Swanson]

Woj reporting that GS may use their $5.2M exception on Nick Young.

[TimDunkem]

:lmao At those still clinging to this "CIA Pop" nonsense, as if Spurs are outsmarting everyone and are going to end up with piece that moves needle for MLE.

Weren't even mentioned as being interested in Reed, when they desperately need an athletic, mobile big. Watch them go even cheaper, with some combination of Lee, Splitter, Black, Allen, Robinson, etc.

If they were really about maximizing '18 flexibility, they could have signed Meeks for 2/$7M, let Mills walk and signed a minimal veteran third PG. I don't see some master plan; I see a front office that's content.


As an aside, I find it comical how Van Gundy and Thibodeau do a lot of the same things Rivers has always received criticism for from the media, but they're geniuses and he's an idiot. Timberwolves need wing depth and a stretch big and instead blow remaining cap space on another limited to non shooting big.Meeks would've been a good signing...Much better value than Fatty.

[Hoops Czar]

Woj reporting that GS may use their $5.2M exception on Nick Young.
Does GS ever run out of money to spend?

[Mr. Body]

Does GS ever run out of money to spend?

Their tax bill in a couple years is going to be insane.

[Solid D]

No way Julianna Holt and Rick Pych are going to throw away $40 M in Lux Tax like the Warriors.

[raybies]

Young at 5 mill per to Warriors. Maybe

im starting to think, who would give Simmons a big deal based on a couple weeks of playoffs when you have Waiters and Evans that are more talented and more of a sure thing. Simmons should come in affordable imo

[HarlemHeat37]

I feel bad for all these posters melting down because the Spurs didn't make any major moves, tbh..what did you expect?:lol

I've been vocal about the strong possibility that the game has passed them by, but the meltdowns over not signing big names are comical..criticizing them for re-signing Mills or the loyalty contact they gave Parker is obviously valid, but you guys really expected Durant and Chris Paul to sign with the Spurs? You expect them to make moves for stars when they don't have any assets to trade?:lol

[tdunk21]

I feel bad for all these posters melting down because the Spurs didn't make any major moves, tbh..what did you expect?:lol

I've been vocal about the strong possibility that the game has passed them by, but the meltdowns over not signing big names are comical..criticizing them for re-signing Mills or the loyalty contact they gave Parker is obviously valid, but you guys really expected Durant and Chris Paul to sign with the Spurs? You expect them to make moves for stars when they don't have any assets to trade?:lol

:lmao

[MannyIsGod]

I feel bad for all these posters melting down because the Spurs didn't make any major moves, tbh..what did you expect?:lol

I've been vocal about the strong possibility that the game has passed them by, but the meltdowns over not signing big names are comical..criticizing them for re-signing Mills or the loyalty contact they gave Parker is obviously valid, but you guys really expected Durant and Chris Paul to sign with the Spurs? You expect them to make moves for stars when they don't have any assets to trade?:lol

Same shit every year.

Spurs will probably keep everyone and win another 60 next year. One day when the Spurs have another 30 win season people will again realize how nice it is having a team that wins 50+. Until then they'll meltdown over not pulling off miralces.

[coachmac87]

I feel bad for all these posters melting down because the Spurs didn't make any major moves, tbh..what did you expect?:lol

I've been vocal about the strong possibility that the game has passed them by, but the meltdowns over not signing big names are comical..criticizing them for re-signing Mills or the loyalty contact they gave Parker is obviously valid, but you guys really expected Durant and Chris Paul to sign with the Spurs? You expect them to make moves for stars when they don't have any assets to trade?:lol

How did the game pass them by?? Lol

[BatManu20]

Lowry back to Toronto. 3 years, $33.3M per/.


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[raybies]

I feel bad for all these posters melting down because the Spurs didn't make any major moves, tbh..what did you expect?:lol

I've been vocal about the strong possibility that the game has passed them by, but the meltdowns over not signing big names are comical..criticizing them for re-signing Mills or the loyalty contact they gave Parker is obviously valid, but you guys really expected Durant and Chris Paul to sign with the Spurs? You expect them to make moves for stars when they don't have any assets to trade?:lol
Yup. It's not like they didn't try. We got looked over per par. Not everyone is for the NBAs equivalent to going to church.

[Hoops Czar]

I feel bad for all these posters melting down because the Spurs didn't make any major moves, tbh..what did you expect?:lol

I've been vocal about the strong possibility that the game has passed them by, but the meltdowns over not signing big names are comical..criticizing them for re-signing Mills or the loyalty contact they gave Parker is obviously valid, but you guys really expected Durant and Chris Paul to sign with the Spurs? You expect them to make moves for stars when they don't have any assets to trade?:lol

I Didn't realize Mosgov was an asset. Team's dump bad/inconvenient contracts all the time. It's the Spurs FO that holds onto players until they lose whatever value they had. It's par for the course with RC Buford. Don't act like the Spurs never had assets because they have.

Edit...:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Spurs fans during the season: man, Aldridge and Danny are trash, D-league level, get them off the team

Spurs fans in July: man, why aren't the Spurs trading Aldridge and Danny Green for Porzingis? How is this not happening? !

Spurs fans all season: Kyle Anderson is so slow, has a fat head, 12th man caliber

Spurs fans in July: how did they not offer Kyle Anderson for Jimmy Butler?! That's a no-brainer for the Bulls!!

[raybies]

Lowry back to Toronto.


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Who were they bidding against? Speaking of loyalty contracts...

[objective]

I feel bad for all these posters melting down because the Spurs didn't make any major moves, tbh..what did you expect?:lol

I've been vocal about the strong possibility that the game has passed them by, but the meltdowns over not signing big names are comical..criticizing them for re-signing Mills or the loyalty contact they gave Parker is obviously valid, but you guys really expected Durant and Chris Paul to sign with the Spurs? You expect them to make moves for stars when they don't have any assets to trade?:lol

I don't expect George or Paul by trade, and if Paul was a free agent they'd have a poor chance

But I do hold them to a high standard of not having their heads in their asses and screwing up years and years with shitty deals. It's not about expectation; I already knew they were capable of being dumb and thought it possible.

But they shouldn't be dumb. Not with a talent like Kawhi. If they were just a middling team with Andre Drummond as the best player, then do as much dumb loyalty shit as they want, it doesn't matter.

But they fucked up and it's not okay.

[marinoman]

Lowry back to Toronto. 3 years, $33.3M per.


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the end of the letter sounds like a shot at kd for not staying

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't expect George or Paul by trade, and if Paul was a free agent they'd have a poor chance

But I do hold them to a high standard of not having their heads in their asses and screwing up years and years with shitty deals. It's not about expectation; I already knew they were capable of being dumb and thought it possible.

But they shouldn't be dumb. Not with a talent like Kawhi. If they were just a middling team with Andre Drummond as the best player, then do as much dumb loyalty shit as they want, it doesn't matter.

But they fucked up and it's not okay.

I wasn't referring to posters like you, we've been on the same page on everything other than Chris Paul IIRC..

I'm referring to posters comparing the Spurs to other teams making moves for stars with their assets, along with more desirable locations like GS and Houston attracting big name FAs like SA could never do..it's unrealistic..

Durant already had his decision made well before July, last year..Chris Paul had already decided that he was going to Houston..doesn't matter if Spurs created room or sold them on culture, those guys weren't coming to SA..

[BatManu20]

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[tbdog]

I feel bad for all these posters melting down because the Spurs didn't make any major moves, tbh..what did you expect?:lol

I've been vocal about the strong possibility that the game has passed them by, but the meltdowns over not signing big names are comical..criticizing them for re-signing Mills or the loyalty contact they gave Parker is obviously valid, but you guys really expected Durant and Chris Paul to sign with the Spurs? You expect them to make moves for stars when they don't have any assets to trade?:lol

That's what happens when news leaks that clippers are shaking in their boots over Paul joining us. The Gasol opts out and we are thinking it's happening. Then we show interest in PG and Portz. Then lma and green are getting shopped, and we all thinking it's happening. We are going to give Leonard a stud.

But no. PG gets traded. CP goes for a bag of chips. No meeting with Rose. No interest on Hayward or Milsap. And we speak to iggy. Resign mills. And LMA is still on our team. We are all coming down from a high.

[TimDunkem]

I don't expect George or Paul by trade, and if Paul was a free agent they'd have a poor chance

But I do hold them to a high standard of not having their heads in their asses and screwing up years and years with shitty deals. It's not about expectation; I already knew they were capable of being dumb and thought it possible.

But they shouldn't be dumb. Not with a talent like Kawhi. If they were just a middling team with Andre Drummond as the best player, then do as much dumb loyalty shit as they want, it doesn't matter.

But they fucked up and it's not okay.
Agreed.

[SpurPadre]

Every player is avoiding the Spurs like the plague....what a shitty offseason.

[Ron Swanson]

Their tax bill in a couple years is going to be insane.

No shit. Enjoy it now, Dubs fans.

[Hoops Czar]

Every player is avoiding the Spurs like the plague....what a shitty offseason.

RC is not a closer.

[SpurPadre]

At this point, the Spurs could offer Bonner 3 million dollars to get out of retirement and he'd settle for less to play for the Lakers instead.

[SpurPadre]

RC is not a closer.

I mostly blame LMA for his bitching, tbh.

[TD 21]

I'm not melting down retard and my criticism has been aimed at their not playing high-school to give themselves their best chance with one of the cool kids and the inexplicable Mills re-signing. Obviously, there was nothing they could do about the star trades.

Despite the fools gold regular seasons that continue to fool the apologists and casuals, this team isn't that good and I'd like to see them pick a clearly defined direction, one way or the other and not be content and waste Leonard's prime.

:lol At a played out shtick on 37 different accounts.

[gambit1990]

Lowry back to Toronto. 3 years, $33.3M per/.


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toronto staying irrelevant.

[Mr. Body]

I feel bad for all these posters melting down because the Spurs didn't make any major moves, tbh..what did you expect?:lol

I've been vocal about the strong possibility that the game has passed them by, but the meltdowns over not signing big names are comical..criticizing them for re-signing Mills or the loyalty contact they gave Parker is obviously valid, but you guys really expected Durant and Chris Paul to sign with the Spurs? You expect them to make moves for stars when they don't have any assets to trade?:lol

Agree that this board is full of hysterical ninnies, but not that the game has passed them by. (If you mean the Spurs.) They got to the WCF and could have pulled some games off them if Kawhi hadn't gone down. And if Durant hadn't pulled one of the biggest pussy moves in sports history, the Spurs would be neck-and-neck as one of the top teams in the league still.

This FO has always been cautious. Plus they are going to reward their big three especially after years of taking lower salaries. Tony Parker is never going to be dumped right after getting hurt, that's ridiculous. Yet the team won the FA sweepstakes two years ago with Aldridge and managed a big coup with Gasol last year. Those are still big wins.

Next year they will face a big challenge in selling a boring, family-oriented city to max fee agents after 1) Aldridge didn't work out, and 2) Durant is still doing his pussy-ass thing in California and it won't matter for several more years.

[Hoops Czar]

I'm not melting down retard and my criticism has been aimed at their not playing high-school to give themselves their best chance with one of the cool kids and the inexplicable Mills re-signing. Obviously, there was nothing they could do about the star trades.

Despite the fools gold regular seasons that continue to fool the apologists and casuals, this team isn't that good and I'd like to see them pick a clearly defined direction, one way or the other and not be content.

:lol At a played out shtick on 37 different accounts.

:lol

[gambit1990]

toronto is so fucking stupid... hard for me to get over.

[TheGreatYacht]

I don't expect George or Paul by trade, and if Paul was a free agent they'd have a poor chance

But I do hold them to a high standard of not having their heads in their asses and screwing up years and years with shitty deals. It's not about expectation; I already knew they were capable of being dumb and thought it possible.

But they shouldn't be dumb. Not with a talent like Kawhi. If they were just a middling team with Andre Drummond as the best player, then do as much dumb loyalty shit as they want, it doesn't matter.

But they fucked up and it's not okay.
You and TimDunkem get it...

[Atl Spur]

:lmao At those still clinging to this "CIA Pop" nonsense, as if Spurs are outsmarting everyone and are going to end up with piece that moves needle for MLE.

Weren't even mentioned as being interested in Reed, when they desperately need an athletic, mobile big. Watch them go even cheaper, with some combination of Lee, Splitter, Black, Allen, Robinson, etc.

If they were really about maximizing '18 flexibility, they could have signed Meeks for 2/$7M, let Mills walk and signed a minimal veteran third PG. I don't see some master plan; I see a front office that's content.


As an aside, I find it comical how Van Gundy and Thibodeau do a lot of the same things Rivers has always received criticism for from the media, but they're geniuses and he's an idiot. Timberwolves need wing depth and a stretch big and instead blow remaining cap space on another limited to non shooting big.

12.5 for patty is looking like a steal

[David Stern]

Their tax bill in a couple years is going to be insane.

Wait until they get eliminated from the playoffs. This is a 2 year window for the Warriors. Egos, age, tax, salary cap, nba catching up to them, etc will all hit. This is the start of their downfall. As I said before, this is a movie we have all seen and knows how it will end.

[AFBlue]

Every player is avoiding the Spurs like the plague....what a shitty offseason.

I imagine the Spurs aren't pursuing players they don't feel will fit or are who aren't realistic. Only Iggy and Gay have been tied to the Spurs, and Woj said that Iggy's camp was pushing for the meeting between them.

IMO this feels more like the Spurs acting deliberately with a clear plan, not them reacting to players avoiding them.

[Mr. Body]

Wait until they get eliminated from the playoffs. This is a 2 year window for the Warriors. Egos, age, tax, salary cap, nba catching up to them, etc will all hit. This is the start of their downfall. As I said before, this is a movie we have all seen and knows how it will end.

I wish. I keep waiting for their insane shooting percentages to crash to the ground. Problem is the league is pretty shitty, the rules have been set to help them greatly, and they were a 73 win team before Durant fucking decided to join them. They can paper over lots of problems.

But their ownership may look at the tax bill in two or three years and go, "WTF??"

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm not melting down retard and my criticism has been aimed at their not playing high-school to give themselves their best chance with one of the cool kids and the inexplicable Mills re-signing. Obviously, there was nothing they could do about the star trades.

Despite the fools gold regular seasons that continue to fool the apologists and casuals, this team isn't that good and I'd like to see them pick a clearly defined direction, one way or the other and not be content and waste Leonard's prime.

:lol At a played out shtick on 37 different accounts.

Ya, this is all emotion talking, as usual:lol

Bullshit, too..you spent months saying that they needed to sign Chris Paul and that should be their plan..that's fine, but he clearly never intended to join the Spurs..what else should they have done? You didn't like my idea of starting fresh, next year, either..so, what do you want? Your last post was all emotional, empty words, so which direction should they take? Kidnap the families of stars and force them to play in SA for their release?

And what shtick is this now? I didn't know I had a "defend the FO" shtick:lol

[raybies]

Tyler Zeller waived by Boston

[Atl Spur]

I imagine the Spurs aren't pursuing players they don't feel will fit or are who aren't realistic. Only Iggy and Gay have been tied to the Spurs, and Woj said that Iggy's camp was pushing for the meeting between them.

IMO this feels more like the Spurs acting deliberately with a clear plan, not them reacting to players avoiding them.

I agree👍🏾

[Mr. Body]

Tyler Zeller waived by Boston

It's happening!

[look_at_g_shred]

Resign Simmons. Sign Evans and gay.

[David Stern]

I wish. I keep waiting for their insane shooting percentages to crash to the ground. Problem is the league is pretty shitty, the rules have been set to help them greatly, and they were a 73 win team before Durant fucking decided to join them. They can paper over lots of problems.

But their ownership may look at the tax bill in two or three years and go, "WTF??"

The league was shitty in 2001 when the Lakers won it all with such dominant ease and a core built for more titles.They only won it (barley) 1 more time with that core. Their time is coming. They have 2 more years and then they implode. They won't be able to overcome it either.

[AFBlue]

Agree that this board is full of hysterical ninnies, but not that the game has passed them by. (If you mean the Spurs.) They got to the WCF and could have pulled some games off them if Kawhi hadn't gone down. And if Durant hadn't pulled one of the biggest pussy moves in sports history, the Spurs would be neck-and-neck as one of the top teams in the league still.

This FO has always been cautious. Plus they are going to reward their big three especially after years of taking lower salaries. Tony Parker is never going to be dumped right after getting hurt, that's ridiculous. Yet the team won the FA sweepstakes two years ago with Aldridge and managed a big coup with Gasol last year. Those are still big wins.

Next year they will face a big challenge in selling a boring, family-oriented city to max fee agents after 1) Aldridge didn't work out, and 2) Durant is still doing his pussy-ass thing in California and it won't matter for several more years.

OMG, I can't believe I just read a level-headed reasoned response to this off-season. I agree about the challenge for next off-season. Hopefully they turn Aldridge into a longer-term solution during the season, so it's more than just Kawhi and Pop with half a foot out the door.

[HarlemHeat37]

And don't cite the Patty Mills move(this will predictably be your move, along with getting even more emotional), I've been against it and didn't want him back, either..

I'm strictly referring to the dozens of posters that expect stars to sign here and the Spurs to acquire stars with their poor assets..

[ceperez]

Resign Simmons. Sign Evans and gay.

I like the idea... if within the realm of possibility.... what about Gerald Green, Vince Carter and Beasley?

[HarlemHeat37]

Good move for the Raps, since it's only 3 years..they weren't going to contend and it's way too difficult to tank in the terrible East, might as well stay relevant in a terrible conference with an ownership group that won't accept losing..they could also quickly fall off a cliff in TO with the Leafs surging if they became mediocre again, too difficult in this city..

[Clipper Nation]

Wait until they get eliminated from the playoffs. This is a 2 year window for the Warriors. Egos, age, tax, salary cap, nba catching up to them, etc will all hit. This is the start of their downfall. As I said before, this is a movie we have all seen and knows how it will end.
Silver will rig whatever needs rigging in order to keep the Warriors cash cow going as long as possible. Watch him find a way to abolish the luxury tax right before the big bill comes due for GSW.

[TD 21]

Ya, this is all emotion talking, as usual:lol

Bullshit, too..you spent months saying that they needed to sign Chris Paul and that should be their plan..that's fine, but he clearly never intended to join the Spurs..what else should they have done? You didn't like my idea of starting fresh, next year, either..so, what do you want? Your last post was all emotional, empty words, so which direction should they take? Kidnap the families of stars and force them to play in SA for their release?

The guy obsessed with his image on basketball message boards is telling others they take this too seriously. :lmao

Yeah, that would have been my first option. Failing that or an upgrade of any sort (Millsap to Aldridge, Hill to Green), I'd have rather they maximize '18 flexibility and go cheap with a Meeks and minimal veteran 3rd PG. Anything but a more expensive status quo. Got it or do I need to draw you a picture?

You didn't have an idea and when I repeatedly asked for one, you either evaded it or responded with generalities.



12.5 for patty is looking like a steal

Is it? People get consumed with average annual value, but Nets supposedly had significant interest. How do we know their offer wasn't something like 3/$50M and Spurs just added a 4th year? Maybe it wasn't, but either way it doesn't make sense on a macro level, for reasons I explained above.

[tbdog]

I'm not melting down retard and my criticism has been aimed at their not playing high-school to give themselves their best chance with one of the cool kids and the inexplicable Mills re-signing. Obviously, there was nothing they could do about the star trades.

Despite the fools gold regular seasons that continue to fool the apologists and casuals, this team isn't that good and I'd like to see them pick a clearly defined direction, one way or the other and not be content and waste Leonard's prime.

:lol At a played out shtick on 37 different accounts.

Come on. We got to the wcf without our starting PG, and beat a very good rockets team. And we were all confident to beat the cavs. We cannot out talent Warriors. I do have issue with Gasol signing. But as long as it doesn't hurt our future. He is still probably the top 3 backup centers.

[tonight...you]

Good move for the Raps, since it's only 3 years..they weren't going to contend and it's way too difficult to tank in the terrible East, might as well stay relevant in a terrible conference with an ownership group that won't accept losing..they could also quickly fall off a cliff in TO with the Leafs surging if they became mediocre again, too difficult in this city..
You live in Toronto? I heard it's an incredible city... Wifey and I talked about expanding our horizons and considering it a place to move to and live, but she's not too into cold weather.

[Mr. Body]

The league was shitty in 2001 when the Lakers won it all with such dominant ease and a core built for more titles.They only won it (barley) 1 more time with that core. Their time is coming. They have 2 more years and then they implode. They won't be able to overcome it either.

I think this era is precisely analogous to those years 2000-2002 or so when there was one dominant team and most of the league was terrible. There had been years of shitty drafts and if you look at the last half dozen drafts at least they have been absolutely terrible. There are no good players coming into the league. The big free agent get this year was Jimmy Butler, a player who can't even get his team wins in a shitty Eastern Conference and who would barely move the needle ten years ago.

[tonight...you]

I think this era is precisely analogous to those years 2000-2002 or so when there was one dominant team and most of the league was terrible. There had been years of shitty drafts and if you look at the last half dozen drafts at least they have been absolutely terrible. There are no good players coming into the league. The big free agent get this year was Jimmy Butler, a player who can't even get his team wins in a shitty Eastern Conference and who would barely move the needle ten years ago.
The league really does need to contract. It'll never happen, but it really does. It would make the overall product so much better on several levels.
Silver is too much of a puss to do much of anything and contracting teams probably means losing money and we can't have that.

[Mr. Body]

The league really does need to contract. It'll never happen, but it really does. It would make the overall product so much better on several levels.
Silver is too much of a puss to do much of anything and contracting teams probably means losing money and we can't have that.

I don't think it needs to contract. It's been this big for years and has had good and exciting teams. It's just a shitty era. I think there's a problem with how players are being developed in high school and college. Too many players coming into the league who will never learn how to play ball.

[HarlemHeat37]

You live in Toronto? I heard it's an incredible city... Wifey and I talked about expanding our horizons and considering it a place to move to and live, but she's not too into cold weather.

It's great if you're into big city lifestyle, but extremely expensive for housing(750 000 USD for an average or even below average house in the city)..otherwise, ya, entertaining, multicultural, live, etc..

If you aren't completely against cold weather, it's actually not that bad, in that regard..it's far milder than the rest of the country outside of BC..if you're from Texas, it would probably be tough, though..we were getting -40C nights 2 winters ago..

[gambit1990]

from may:

posted a few months ago that i think patty stays and simmons doesn't...
wouldn't suprise me if simmons gets paid more than patty by another team.

i'd definitely take him for what the spurs offered.

[LakerHater]

Porter got offered the Max by kings!

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[Mal]

Why the fuck teams like Toronto go 15 mil over tax ? For what ? They suck, 2nd round is their ceiling with or without overpaid Lowry, and shadyage spearthrower.

[tonight...you]

It's great if you're into big city lifestyle, but extremely expensive for housing(750 000 USD for an average or even below average house in the city)..otherwise, ya, entertaining, multicultural, live, etc..

If you aren't completely against cold weather, it's actually not that bad, in that regard..it's far milder than the rest of the country outside of BC..if you're from Texas, it would probably be tough, though..we were getting -40C nights 2 winters ago..
Ouch, I make decent money, but that's terrible house pricing... Better to just visit, I guess. Lol. Appreciate. :toast

[Mal]

And now fucking Wizards will go over the tax, for Otto Porter, because stupid ass GM over paid Ian Mahinmi last year. This is total bananas.

[TimDunkem]

The league really does need to contract. It'll never happen, but it really does. It would make the overall product so much better on several levels.
Silver is too much of a puss to do much of anything and contracting teams probably means losing money and we can't have that.Don't really have a problem with bottom feeders. I'd just prefer, come playoff time, that the top 16 teams make it to the playoffs so we don't have to deal with unwatchable Eastern Conference playoff series. :lol

[raybies]

I think this era is precisely analogous to those years 2000-2002 or so when there was one dominant team and most of the league was terrible. There had been years of shitty drafts and if you look at the last half dozen drafts at least they have been absolutely terrible. There are no good players coming into the league. The big free agent get this year was Jimmy Butler, a player who can't even get his team wins in a shitty Eastern Conference and who would barely move the needle ten years ago.
Been thinking the same thing re Butler. He's vastly overrated imo. Have to see what they do in Minny but I wouldn't be surprised to see them as a6-7 seed in a tougher west.

[raybies]

Porter got offered the Max by kings!
Good. Hope they get him too. One less Simmons suitor. Called Wizards bluff, we'll see

[SpurPadre]

I imagine the Spurs aren't pursuing players they don't feel will fit or are who aren't realistic. Only Iggy and Gay have been tied to the Spurs, and Woj said that Iggy's camp was pushing for the meeting between them.

IMO this feels more like the Spurs acting deliberately with a clear plan, not them reacting to players avoiding them.

That's almost worse in a way because the team is willing to lay all the pressure in Kawhi to singlehandedly carry the team to a championship. What if he gets injured again? It sounds like a much more dangerous plan than anything.

[tonight...you]

Don't really have a problem with bottom feeders. I'd just prefer, come playoff time, that the top 16 teams make it to the playoffs so we don't have to deal with unwatchable Eastern Conference playoff series. :lol
True, just end this conference BS when it comes to playoff seeding. That''s put some fear in a couple teams.

[gambit1990]

Porter got offered the Max by kings!

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i remember when some people thought kawhi wasn't worth the max :lol

[raybies]

And Vlade is back ladies and gentlemen. Quick someone offer Aldridge for Fox and Giles.

[TD 21]

Come on. We got to the wcf without our starting PG, and beat a very good rockets team. And we were all confident to beat the cavs. We cannot out talent Warriors. I do have issue with Gasol signing. But as long as it doesn't hurt our future. He is still probably the top 3 backup centers.

I gave Spurs props for games 5 and 6 of WCSF. Overall though, I attribute last season mostly to Leonard, rare late game luck and lack of multi star teams. Obviously, the latter has now changed.

They've also clearly either thought they were smarter than everyone else or misjudged the direction of the league. It's not just the players they signed, it's their utilization of them. I agree with the majority of Aldridge criticism, but I also think he hasn't been utilized properly. They've tried in vain to turn him into prime Duncan, instead of going the other way and turning him into a true stretch big.

[bic50]

Porter got offered the Max by kings!

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Wow

[gambit1990]

teams lowballing the spurs? lowry for $33, otto for the max. someone would pay $24 million for la. they have no incentive to rush cause the spurs are stuck with him and his current trade value.

[Atl Spur]

Why the fuck teams like Toronto go 15 mil over tax ? For what ? They suck, 2nd round is their ceiling with or without overpaid Lowry, and shadyage spearthrower.

That spearthrower shit ain't cute; watch your mouth

[Snaq O'Meal]

And Vlade is back ladies and gentlemen. Quick someone offer Aldridge for Fox and Giles.

Could've been Vivek's decision. He loves shooters.

[benefactor]

Your last post was all emotional, empty words, so which direction should they take? Kidnap the families of stars and force them to play in SA for their release?

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[tonight...you]

That spearthrower shit ain't cute; watch your mouth
You know none of these peeps who speak the really bad stuff aren't remotely in any spotlight, and most definitely not famous.
Just schmoes with nothing to lose, but you never know, nowadays. Peeps can get sued, or get scrutinized over ish they did decades ago and it's all there for everybody to see.

And still I inhabit this beautiful, chaotic maelstrom... Great place.

[raybies]

I get Sacramentos cap numbers but if they were smart they'd go the Philly route and give huge one year deals. I'm not high on porter and I don't think an average 3 is worth that much money.

[HarlemHeat37]

Poor Wizards..they have to keep him, since they don't have the flexibility to get better and they're trying to win now in a weak conference with Wall in his prime..

They should be looking to trade Gortat, asap..

[CGD]

Porter got offered the Max by kings!

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Only a matter of time. This was long rumored. Puts WAS in a tough spot!!

[palangi]

Porter got offered the Max by kings!

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Well if they don't get him they can have Danny Green for only 10 million

[tonight...you]

Well if they don't get him they can have Danny Green for only 10 million
For what for the Spurs? I accidentally typed Spores. Lol.

[Mnky]

teams lowballing the spurs? lowry for $33, otto for the max. someone would pay $24 million for la. they have no incentive to rush cause the spurs are stuck with him and his current trade value.

Spurs are the ones in no rush. They still are the second best team in the nba, and they got younger and more athletic, plus more creators were added. One team will miss out and be forced to make a move for the fans. A GM will get job security fear. Plenty of free agents left with teams running out of money quick.


Spurs have been good so far. Patient and letting tthe market come to them.

All the moves these teams are making, are not making them contenders. Houston is going to be a fifty fifty shot at being better, and Minnesota is the only team that really jumped to the next level. I dont know if the thunder will be all that great. They are over the cap. They have nothing left to improve without mortgaging their future, and even then that might not make them a contender.

Not sure why people are so impatient. The teams that are usually at the too, usually don't make many moves.

[benefactor]

The guy obsessed with his image on basketball message boards is telling others they take this too seriously. :lmao


Since I'm far too important to have my thoughts scattered about and buried under the shit storm that has ensued here in the past 20 or so hours . . .

:wakeup

[TD 21]

:lmao Not understanding sarcasm. Some of you people amaze me . . .

[tonight...you]

Spurs are the ones in no rush. They still are the second best team in the nba, and they got younger and more athletic, plus more creators were added. One team will miss out and be forced to make a move for the fans. A GM will get job security fear. Plenty of free agents left with teams running out of money quick.


Spurs have been good so far. Patient and letting tthe market come to them.

All the moves these teams are making, are not making them contenders. Houston is going to be a fifty fifty shot at being better, and Minnesota is the only team that really jumped to the next level. I dont know if the thunder will be all that great. They are over the cap. They have nothing left to improve without mortgaging their future, and even then that might not make them a contender.

Not sure why people are so impatient. The teams that are usually at the too, usually don't make many moves.
Fo' sho'. Thank you homie. I just can't fear a team that has one of The historic playoff quitters of all time on their team (Harden/Rockets) and, I'm sorry, but Pop, for all his ridicule, gets results. They went to the damn WCF last year and no, I don't think they would have taken GSW and advanced, but they had a better possibility than anyone else.

Anyone else.

I'm surfing this wave and it's perty darn fun watching the skulls crack in the process.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's strange. We won one FA sweepstakes two years ago and now it seems people forgot about 1997-2014.

[FkLA]

The majority of ST is so out of the loop with the market. Shocked at the MVPaddy deal and now shocked at Porter being offered the max despite it being rumored pretty much all year.

[objective]

Porter makes some sense in that team has no small forwards and the Kings books are clean for the next few years. It's not like any other free agent who has choices will be yearning to sign there. And he's young also.

Better they target him than Simmons.

[TimDunkem]

Nah Porter makes sense. He's one of the top up and coming wings in the NBA right now. Very talented player.

[Mnky]

Fo' sho'. Thank you homie. I just can't fear a team that has one of The historic playoff quitters of all time on their team (Harden/Rockets) and, I'm sorry, but Pop, for all his ridicule, gets results. They went to the damn WCF last year and no, I don't think they would have taken GSW and advanced, but they had a better possibility than anyone else.

Anyone else.

I'm surfing this wave and it's perty darn fun watching the skulls crack in the process.

I'm pretty stoked to see these young guys get an opportunity tbh. I honestly think Blossom can be every bit as good as dedmon was. That guy was great in the system but really did not have much skill at all. He couldn't play very good one on one D, and was non existent in a half court offense. Blossom can easily do that with 4s, and has the ability to put the ball on the floor. He isn't very skilled either, but seems to have the right attitude going in. I want to see how he performs with Murray and white who have both been Creative play makers. Summer league should be fun. I think some of these young guys can push for playing time early.

Would mind discount vets on the second unit like Gay, Carter, who can defend and won't be intimidated. Can both shoot and still beat their man off the dribble as well.

[TheGreatYacht]

Well if they don't get him they can have Danny Green for only 10 million
Absolutely brilliant :wow

[Mal]

On reddit is intersting discusion about Toronto needing to dump salaries. While I don't see them dumping Carroll, but JV or CoJo could be out. Both can be replaced by cheaper guy. JV is interesting prospect, because Casey cannot utilize his abilities.

Team like Brooklyn can need CoJo, but I cannot see them taking Carrol's deal. I am talking about 3way teamer with Spurs, that would send LMA to Toronot, CoJo, Carrol to Nets, and JV to Spurs. But cannot see why would Nets do it. Toronto will have throw 1st round pick as well to Nets.

Can Spurs s'n't Simmons in same deal ? That would clear about 6 mil in cap space, so Gasol could be back on full 16 mil, without more years.

[HarlemHeat37]

I love Porter if they use him correctly, been saying it all year..if they're going to use him like Dallas is using Barnes, he will fail, though, as he can't create his own shot(even if he continues to improve, he'll never be a top 2 offensive creator)..

Finding penetrating PGs to create open shots is easy, though..except for the Spurs:lol

[benefactor]

:lmao Not understanding sarcasm. Some of you people amaze me . . .
:cry mah sarcasm :cry

You've been running around this forum for years cutting yourself and bleeding your lack of self worth all over everyone you come across.

[TimDunkem]

Finding penetrating PGs to create open shots is easy, though..except for the Spurs:lol
QFT

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[cd98]

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Hmmm. Thought they wanted out of the lottery. I guess not.

[TD 21]

Don't understand Spurs fans longstanding fascination with Valanciunas. They need to get more modern bigs, not go even more traditional. He's literally the antithesis of today's game. Can't defend in space or at rim, can't pass or dribble, limited range, low IQ.



:cry mah sarcasm :cry

You've been running around this forum for years cutting yourself and bleeding your lack of self worth all over everyone you come across.

You've been waddling around this forum for years playing internet tough guy, spewing cliché shit, contributing nothing to the discussion and being too stupid to realize how hypocritical you are.

[benefactor]

You've been waddling around this forum for years playing internet tough guy, spewing cliché shit, contributing nothing to the discussion and being too stupid to realize how hypocritical you are.
:lol trashes other posters for seemingly being self important on ST
:lol goes out of his way to make sure he's self important on ST

[TD 21]

:lol trashes other posters for seemingly being self important on ST
:lol goes out of his way to make sure he's self important on ST

:lol 40 something acting like a teenager on a message board
:lol Being too stupid to realize I like to play up the reputation from time to time for kicks

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269393&p=9065899#post9065899

[BatManu20]

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[tdunk21]

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Spurs are the viewers

[SpurPadre]

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Assholes attract assholes. Nothing new, tbh.

[SpurPadre]

Spurs are the viewers

In the cheap seats.

[tonight...you]

I haven't watched pro wrestling since WCW was a thing. Is it worth watching nowadays?

[Down Under]

All those professions you named are full of replaceable people with no talent, tbh..

Actually, in Canada, teachers and police are way overpaid:lol
Is growing to 6'7" a talent? :lol

[CGD]

Please Thibbs sign Rose, keep our guys away!

[HarlemHeat37]

Is growing to 6'7" a talent? :lol

Winning the genetic lottery emphasizes their basketball talent, of course..you aren't finding big-ass, athletic niggas who can play basketball on every corner:lol

[LakerHater]

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[SAGirl]

The league really does need to contract. It'll never happen, but it really does. It would make the overall product so much better on several levels.
Silver is too much of a puss to do much of anything and contracting teams probably means losing money and we can't have that.

nah... I don't want it to contract.
but I would like the talent to be spread out.
No having 4 top 15 players in the same team.
It's actually the stars conglomerating in a few teams that makes the league dilluted.

[ace3g]

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[ace3g]

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[SpurPadre]

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We only have room for one 400 year old on the team named Manu. Two, if TD's knees are magically cured.

[Mr. Body]

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Gary Harris, like Oladipo, an Indiana kid.

[picnroll]

Very dumb Pritchard. Murray >>> Oladipo.

[AFBlue]

That's almost worse in a way because the team is willing to lay all the pressure in Kawhi to singlehandedly carry the team to a championship. What if he gets injured again? It sounds like a much more dangerous plan than anything.

So they should go balls out for Kyle Lowry or Paul Millsap, churning over their entire roster? What guy do they have a realistic shot at that moves the needle beyond where an effective "stand pat" strategy?

[David Stern]

So they should go balls out for Kyle Lowry or Paul Millsap, churning over their entire roster? What guy do they have a realistic shot at that moves the needle beyond where an effective "stand pat" strategy?

I actually believe the Spurs have 2 players already on the roster that could be long-term sidekicks for Leonard in Bertans/Murray. I see the upside in both. I trust the front office and their track record. Nobody expected Parker/Ginobili to be the sidekicks for Duncan at first. This is the best option we have right now.

[BatManu20]

The Kings and Rockets are the sluts of FA 2017, taking meetings with literally anyone and everyone.

[tholdren]

We only have room for one 400 year old on the team named Manu. Two, if TD's knees are magically cured.

I would take vince before gasol. Age means shit dude.

[Snaq O'Meal]

I haven't watched pro wrestling since WCW was a thing. Is it worth watching nowadays?

As far as sports entertainment go, the WWE has better scripts than the NBE. Have you seen the MVP acceptance speeches in recent years?

[Ocotillo]

The Kings and Rockets are the sluts of FA 2017, taking meetings with literally anyone and everyone.

With the meltdown this year in the playoffs that the Rockets had, it's not surprising that they are going balls out.

[Chinook]

If the Spurs end up without both Simmons and Gay, Shabazz might make sense. They say he shot well last year, and he can take advantage of a mismatch in the post.

[BatManu20]

Lakers have a meeting with Dion Waiters tonight lol

[tonight...you]

As far as sports entertainment go, the WWE has better scripts than the NBE. Have you seen the MVP acceptance speeches in recent years?
I haven't. Would it be worth it to youtube them?
Last thing I saw that involved pro-wrestling was a doc on the Ultimate Warrior a few years ago. It brought back a lot of good memories.

[tonight...you]

I would take vince before gasol. Age means shit dude.
I will say this- Vince is a warrior and a half and can be deadly, in the clutch. Even at mummy-level.

[BatManu20]

Jeezus.


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[Chinook]

I will say this- Vince is a warrior and a half and can be deadly, in the clutch. Even at mummy-level.

Wouldn't be a bad LLE guy if Simmons walks. Get him, use the MLE to get a starting center, and take the savings from Simmons to give Pau a one-year deal.

[DPG21920]

I really hope that the market drying up some leads to some solid back door value for SA. Still lots of wings / bigs out there.

[marinoman]

The Kings and Rockets are the sluts of FA 2017, taking meetings with literally anyone and everyone.
Then what are the Spurs? The ugly chick that no guy wants but convinces herself she's too good for anyone

[LakerHater]

The Kings and Rockets are the sluts of FA 2017, taking meetings with literally anyone and everyone.


Then what are the Spurs? The ugly chick that no guy wants but convinces herself she's too good for anyone

:lol

[tonight...you]

Wouldn't be a bad LLE guy if Simmons walks. Get him, use the MLE to get a starting center, and take the savings from Simmons to give Pau a one-year deal.
I can dig that.

[sasaint]

Jeezus.


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NBA salary cap. :lmao

[CGD]

Wonder what's up with Tyrke. Been quiet on that front.

[BatManu20]

Then what are the Spurs? The ugly chick that no guy wants but convinces herself she's too good for anyone


:lol

[spurs10]

They could make RC Durbeta a whole lot of rings for 1.2.billion. I'm glad the WWE, I mean the NBA, has got that salary cap and parity thing down!

[SAGirl]

I would take vince before gasol. Age means shit dude.

Vince?
He was getting dunked on his face and punked by Kyle Anderson in the playoffs tbh. Think about that for a moment.
He's done.

[GSH]

I really hope that the market drying up some leads to some solid back door value for SA. Still lots of wings / bigs out there.

Saw an article earlier to day that not a single big man had made a verbal commitment yet. I haven't tracked every move - maybe they meant just C's, I don't know. But it says that there hasn't been a run on bigs, and that there should still be some left when things dry up and the panic sets in.

[LakerHater]

Saw an article earlier to day that not a single big man had made a verbal commitment yet. I haven't tracked every move - maybe they meant just C's, I don't know. But it says that there hasn't been a run on bigs, and that there should still be some left when things dry up and the panic sets in.Nene, ibaka are the only ones so far. Plus pau has committed

[SAGirl]

If the Spurs end up without both Simmons and Gay, Shabazz might make sense. They say he shot well last year, and he can take advantage of a mismatch in the post.
He doesn't pass the ball at all (will make Pop crazy.. worse than Lamarcus).. you can't run anything through him bc of that I believe... but he is a talented scorer and does have a scorer mentality, will always be aggressive. Also, he's a versatile offensive player, good enough shooter and can drive, finish well, and post up... He was a former teammate of Kyle's too, loves playing with him. But I do believe Kyle is the better player.

[LakerHater]

Mclemore to Memphis

[Ron Swanson]

Ben McLemore to Memphis

[SAGirl]

With the meltdown this year in the playoffs that the Rockets had, it's not surprising that they are going balls out.

:trollHow about Lamarcus' meltdown?
Are Spurs going balls out to get rid of him?
lol
only bc he asked... couldn't even find a trade partner for someone they liked....
sigh.
sorry to be trolling. I don't think I will ever forget Lamarcus fading in the playoffs the way he did.
I remember Tony heroballing and missing a gazzilion shots in 2015 against the clippers.. but that lack of heart from Lamarcus. I had never seen that in a Spur in the playoffs. Would rather lose trying than that way.

[LakerHater]

2yr 11mil for mclemore to Memphis

[SAGirl]

That's a good deal for memphis. Though McLemore has underperformed it's possible there is upside there if he plays in a good system. he's still a young player.

[SPURt]

Shabazz could be cool. I didn't know his 3 pt percentage was such garbage. He shot better than Simmons did last year, though I still like Simmons more cuz he's such an insane athlete. Shabazz may shoot better after reuniting with his college girlfriend Kyle Anderson.

[SPURt]

2yr 11mil for mclemore to Memphis
Great signing for Memphis at that price. Great team for McLemore to see if he was just on a bad team or if he actually sucks.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Vince?
He was getting dunked on his face and punked by Kyle Anderson in the playoffs tbh. Think about that for a moment.
He's done.

Kyle was scoring on the DPOY on route to 20 points. Vince is still fine if the price is reasonable.

[LakerHater]

Free agent Paul Millsap has agreed to a three-year, $90M with the Denver Nuggets, league sources tell The Vertical.

[SAGirl]

Kyle was scoring on the DPOY on route to 20 points. Vince is still fine if the price is reasonable.

ok so long as you recognize what happened I am good.
:tu
Bring on Vince...
I have to say between him and Shabazz Vince is probably better. Old dog, veteranm can shoot better. He is a defensive liability, but so is Shabazz frankly and Shabazz can't pass the ball. Though if they do bring shabazz I am sure Pop will have someone else be the distributor.

[Ice009]

Jeezus.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDxhmazUQAAd9z7?format=jpg&name=large

I can't remember, how much is the luxury tax? 1 dollar for each dollar over the cap?

[Ice009]

Free agent Paul Millsap has agreed to a three-year, $90M with the Denver Nuggets, league sources tell The Vertical.

Well, like people keep saying here on Spurstalk, we want some of these players, but we don't want to pay them.

Would you guys have taken Millsap for 3 years at that price?

[raybies]

Mclemore could be a steal. Great pick. Still young

[BatManu20]

881708946842689537

[SAGirl]

Free agent Paul Millsap has agreed to a three-year, $90M with the Denver Nuggets, league sources tell The Vertical.

Well, he held out for his deal.
Another good player going west...

[SAGirl]

Mclemore could be a steal. Great pick. Still young
I thougth so too. I think with a system he could flourish... he has never played in a good team. Still young.
Opportunity lost by the spurs... they are still holding out for Jsimms to come back down to earth...
I know you like him, but I will regret if they overpay JSimms. He's going to go back to regular season JSimms, in fact, the weight of that contract could have him doing too much in a bad way.
:vomit:

[SPURt]

Jeezus.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDxhmazUQAAd9z7?format=jpg&name=large
Good God. What does that look like kicking Klay off the team in a year? Looks like maybe two more years of the super friends. I can't imagine they stay healthy, happy, and motivated.

[eDizzle20]

Free agent Paul Millsap has agreed to a three-year, $90M with the Denver Nuggets, league sources tell The Vertical.
He sure got paid. Looking at the overall landscape of contracts I don't blame the Spurs for standing pat. The only free agents that were max were Durant, Curry, and Paul. I like Millsap, Hayward, and Lowry, but I want not want them for max money.

[mo7888]

With milsap off the board we will know for sure if theres any market for lma out there.

[GSH]

Nene, ibaka are the only ones so far. Plus pau has committed

Yeah, after I wrote I saw those two guys. And we know about Pau, even if it's not official. Maybe some more unofficially official? Still looks like bigs weren't the first targets. Looks like the Spurs have one bullet.

[raybies]

IM not a Galinari fan but could 15 get him? I'm getting hopeful again

[sasaint]

With milsap off the board we will know for sure if theres any market for lma out there.

Yes. I hope there is a decent market. :tu

[loveforthegame]

Great signing for Memphis. Wanted McLemore on the Spurs. Happy for him though. He can put the toxic Kings time behind him and start over.

[raybies]

I thougth so too. I think with a system he could flourish... he has never played in a good team. Still young.
Opportunity lost by the spurs... they are still holding out for Jsimms to come back down to earth...
I know you like him, but I will regret if they overpay JSimms. He's going to go back to regular season JSimms, in fact, the weight of that contract could have him doing too much in a bad way.
:vomit:
J Simms is gonna lose money the longer he waits to be honest. I wouldn't have minded Mclemore over Simmons especially at that price. He has high upside and they are desperate for shooting. He could be the next Green with those players.

[SPURt]

I thought I wanted big name free agents but these contracts are horrible. There's maybe 10 guys that deserve super max deals and only one plays on GS. $30 million a year for Milsap? $20 million for Reddick? Max for Chris Paul on the downhill? $16 million for an old Iggy that can't space the floor? $30 million for Lowry? McLemore is the only contract I liked and that is because he is such an unknown. Gallinari could be nice but he's crippled. Ditto for Gay. This free agent class sucks.

Has anyone seen a contract they like or wanted this free agency?

I can't tell what RC and Pop are doing at all. I love the young guys, especially Murray, Bertrans, White, and Kyle (yeah I'm one of those people). As it stands, it looks like the Spurs are about to go trot out a bunch of guys between 6'5 and 6'8 minus Mills from 1-4. Center rotation will be LMA/Pau. LMA can eat a dick if he doesn't want to play the 5. He sucks as a 4 in today's NBA.

[rastaspur]

The east should be reclassified as the g league next year.

They really should do the seeding route for playoffs with top 16 teams getting in. Its the fair thing to do.

They won't do. Silver probably doesn't want to risk the chance if the cavs getting beat in the first round by one of lower tier western playoff teams.

[TheDoctor]

Millsap 30MM/3yr in Denver :wow

[TimDunkem]

The east should be reclassified as the g league next year.

They really should do the seeding route for playoffs with top 16 teams getting in. Its the fair thing to do.
I remember Silver had a reason why they weren't looking into this very much, but can't quite remember why. Personally, it's what I wish they would do. Some of those EC series are unwatchable. :lol

[SAGirl]

IM not a Galinari fan but could 15 get him? I'm getting hopeful again
he has been playing well.
I don't know. I read some articles about his situation in Denver and his injury history, he might have wanted more years guaranteed instead of a substantial raise.. but memory fails me and it was a middle of the season article. I am really not sure.

[objective]

Millsap on 3/90 is good

No crippling fourth year, fourth years are for suckers like the Spurs.

I'd take that over fat emo Aldridge

[buujness]

I thought I wanted big name free agents but these contracts are horrible. There's maybe 10 guys that deserve super max deals and only one plays on GS. $30 million a year for Milsap? $20 million for Reddick? Max for Chris Paul on the downhill? $16 million for an old Iggy that can't space the floor? $30 million for Lowry? McLemore is the only contract I liked and that is because he is such an unknown. Gallinari could be nice but he's crippled. Ditto for Gay. This free agent class sucks.

Has anyone seen a contract they like or wanted this free agency?

I can't tell what RC and Pop are doing at all. I love the young guys, especially Murray, Bertrans, White, and Kyle (yeah I'm one of those people). As it stands, it looks like the Spurs are about to go trot out a bunch of guys between 6'5 and 6'8 minus Mills from 1-4. Center rotation will be LMA/Pau. LMA can eat a dick if he doesn't want to play the 5. He sucks as a 4 in today's NBA.

[rastaspur]

I remember Silver had a reason why they weren't looking into this very much, but can't quite remember why. Personally, it's what I wish they would do. Some of those EC series are unwatchable. :lol

The real reason is he doesn't want to see the cavs get beat by the Jazz or T'Wolves this coming year. Just doesnt want to expose the inequity of the teams. Having the lower tier western playoff teams knock off the best of the east would hurt the product i reckon.
It would completely expose the eastern conference for what it has been for over a decade across the board.

[Ice009]

I thought I wanted big name free agents but these contracts are horrible. There's maybe 10 guys that deserve super max deals and only one plays on GS. $30 million a year for Milsap? $20 million for Reddick? Max for Chris Paul on the downhill? $16 million for an old Iggy that can't space the floor? $30 million for Lowry? McLemore is the only contract I liked and that is because he is such an unknown. Gallinari could be nice but he's crippled. Ditto for Gay. This free agent class sucks.

Has anyone seen a contract they like or wanted this free agency?

I can't tell what RC and Pop are doing at all. I love the young guys, especially Murray, Bertrans, White, and Kyle (yeah I'm one of those people). As it stands, it looks like the Spurs are about to go trot out a bunch of guys between 6'5 and 6'8 minus Mills from 1-4. Center rotation will be LMA/Pau. LMA can eat a dick if he doesn't want to play the 5. He sucks as a 4 in today's NBA.

Livingston's contract is the only one that I have liked so far.

[Dverde]

Eastern conference is short for At East they still have Cleveland.

[Ice009]

Millsap on 3/90 is good

No crippling fourth year, fourth years are for suckers like the Spurs.

I'd take that over fat emo Aldridge

Nah, I don't think Millsap is a max player. If we were to somehow trade places with him and Aldridge, I still wouldn't want Millsap at 30 million for 3 years. I might do it for two, but no more than 2 at that price. That's too much for him. I'd rather have Aldridge's money off the books and go after someone else.

[Dverde]

I'd rather have Bertrans at his price over Danilo Galinari

[SPURt]

Livingston's contract is the only one that I have liked so far.
I agree with you there. $8 million a year for him was a sweet deal for GS. I worry about how his game would look on teams with less shooting like the Clippers.

[raybies]

Extreme hypothetical but if PATFO landed Danilo for the Mid Level by waiting would any of you be "happy"?

[objective]

Nah, I don't think Millsap is a max player. If we were to somehow trade places with him and Aldridge, I still wouldn't want Millsap at 30 million for 3 years. I might do it for two, but no more than 2 at that price. That's too much for him. I'd rather have Aldridge's money off the books and go after someone else.

Aldridge off the books ... But Mills and Pau back on, so will there be room for someone else, and who?

[Ice009]

Aldridge off the books ... But Mills and Pau back on, so will there be room for someone else, and who?

I mean next off-season. I'd rather have Aldridge off the books and start with max space, or close to two max space slots next off-season. Maybe try and sign Pau for only one season this off-season.

[SAGirl]

I thought I wanted big name free agents but these contracts are horrible. There's maybe 10 guys that deserve super max deals and only one plays on GS. $30 million a year for Milsap? $20 million for Reddick? Max for Chris Paul on the downhill? $16 million for an old Iggy that can't space the floor? $30 million for Lowry? McLemore is the only contract I liked and that is because he is such an unknown. Gallinari could be nice but he's crippled. Ditto for Gay. This free agent class sucks.

Has anyone seen a contract they like or wanted this free agency?

I can't tell what RC and Pop are doing at all. I love the young guys, especially Murray, Bertrans, White, and Kyle (yeah I'm one of those people). As it stands, it looks like the Spurs are about to go trot out a bunch of guys between 6'5 and 6'8 minus Mills from 1-4. Center rotation will be LMA/Pau. LMA can eat a dick if he doesn't want to play the 5. He sucks as a 4 in today's NBA.
I agree with you in the entire evaluation and specially in liking the young guys. I wish Pop would play them and screw the veterans taking about 80% of the playing time. It should be clear they are not luring a FA after the Lamarcus brouhaha and they have youth and potential and need those guys to grow up. They can really only take leaps if they are challenged and tested... and garbage time is such a poor challenge.

Agree with your opinion on LMA too.

[Ice009]

Extreme hypothetical but if PATFO landed Danilo for the Mid Level by waiting would any of you be "happy"?

Not really. Not a huge fan of his.

lol, we don't want anyone here. I think a lot of us here like the idea of a max free agent, but we don't want most of them. There were people that didn't want to pay Kawhi max money, so I guess that sums up Spurstalk in a nutshell.

[TheDoctor]

The east should be reclassified as the g league next year.

They really should do the seeding route for playoffs with top 16 teams getting in. Its the fair thing to do.

They won't do. Silver probably doesn't want to risk the chance if the cavs getting beat in the first round by one of lower tier western playoff teams.

I've been an advocate of this for years.

[Ice009]

Also, great point that SPURt made about Aldridge being a center in today's NBA. He needs to lose weight, get in super shape and embrace it.

Sign Andrew Bogut to bang against teams that have the more traditional, bigger centers. I don't want Splitter, I don't trust him to not be injured, and that is saying a lot considering I feel more comfortable with Bogut being healthier throughout the season and playoffs ;).

[TimDunkem]

Gallo probably going to the Clips.

[ducks]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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Sources: Clippers presentation made a strong impression on free agent Danilo Gallinari in Los Angeles today. They've long coveted him.

[raybies]

Not really. Not a huge fan of his.

lol, we don't want anyone here.
I'm not Either... but he may be Clipper bound. They have cap?

[raybies]

Does anyone know if Clippers have cap space or would it be the Mid Level

[objective]

I mean next off-season. I'd rather have Aldridge off the books and start with max space, or close to two max space slots next off-season. Maybe try and sign Pau for only one season this off-season.

That's what I'm talking about.

Pau likely didn't opt out for a one year deal.

Mills is bricking for four years.

Everyone thought next summer would be full of money without Aldridge, Parker, Pau and Green

Well Mills and Pau will only be a few million less than Parker and Pau.

Hell, Parker wants three more years and it looks like the Spurs might not have the will power to deny him what he wants.

[Clipper Nation]

I'm not Either... but he may be Clipper bound. They have cap?
We'll need to do a sign-and-trade to dump some combination of Jamal, Austin and/or Wesley Johnson to be able to afford him.

[SPURt]

I agree with you in the entire evaluation and specially in liking the young guys. I wish Pop would play them and screw the veterans taking about 80% of the playing time. It should be clear they are not luring a FA after the Lamarcus brouhaha and they have youth and potential and need those guys to grow up. They can really only take leaps if they are challenged and tested... and garbage time is such a poor challenge.

Agree with your opinion on LMA too.

:toast People love to hate Pop here but I think this season is going to be one where he does something innovative to support Kawhi. I don't care what it is as long as he isn't force feeding LMA to start every game to feed his ego. The Spurs were smart to wait on trading LMA. Millsap isn't $10 million a year better and I'm sick of his game.

[rastaspur]

Extreme hypothetical but if PATFO landed Danilo for the Mid Level by waiting would any of you be "happy"?

I would.

[bklynspursfan]

Also, great point that SPURt made about Aldridge being a center in today's NBA. He needs to lose weight, get in super shape and embrace it.

Sign Andrew Bogut to bang against teams that have the more traditional bigger centers. I don't want Splitter, I don't trust him to not be injured and that is saying a lot considering I feel more comfortable with Bogut being healthy ;).

Agreed, I was thinking Bogut would be a nice backup too.