James Harden is the Biggest Playoff Choker of All Time

[DMC]

Bigger even than the Mailman. This dude plays like he's drinking Nyquil on the sidelines, just drags his lazy ass up and down the floor and spends half his energy trying to force a foul call. On defense he's just standing in one spot doing nothing, doesn't even reach for a lose ball in the playoffs.

What gives him the idea that he's that good? Can't believe he's even discussed in the MVP discussion. Sure he gets points sometimes, but he's too fucking lazy to be considered a legit threat. He just has to hope his teammates carry him, again.

[Clipper Nation]

There's a reason he's called Frauden.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Bigger even than the Mailman. This dude plays like he's drinking Nyquil on the sidelines, just drags his lazy ass up and down the floor and spends half his energy trying to force a foul call. On defense he's just standing in one spot doing nothing, doesn't even reach for a lose ball in the playoffs.

What gives him the idea that he's that good? Can't believe he's even discussed in the MVP discussion. Sure he gets points sometimes, but he's too fucking lazy to be considered a legit threat. He just has to hope his teammates carry him, again.

Thank you.

[lebomb]

Bigger even than the Mailman. This dude plays like he's drinking Nyquil on the sidelines, just drags his lazy ass up and down the floor and spends half his energy trying to force a foul call. On defense he's just standing in one spot doing nothing, doesn't even reach for a lose ball in the playoffs.

What gives him the idea that he's that good? Can't believe he's even discussed in the MVP discussion. Sure he gets points sometimes, but he's too fucking lazy to be considered a legit threat. He just has to hope his teammates carry him, again.

I agree with younon somtin

[whitemamba]

OP chokes on dicks and donuts.

[UZER]

That underarm grab harden does has got to be a no call. They need to start watching for it next year. I understand sweeping under the arms when the guy has him arm out, but harden is reaching out to guys that have their hands down and just pulling their arm into the play then flailing when he goes up. You shouldn't reward that. It's not like the refs haven't watched film and doesn't know he does it on every single pnr.

It happens so fast that's you can't really call an offensive foul, but just swallow the whistle and he'll stop doing it.

[313]

That underarm grab harden does has got to be a no call. They need to start watching for it next year. I understand sweeping under the arms when the guy has him arm out, but harden is reaching out to guys that have their hands down and just pulling their arm into the play then flailing when he goes up. You shouldn't reward that. It's not like the refs haven't watched film and doesn't know he does it on every single pnr.

It happens so fast that's you can't really call an offensive foul, but just swallow the whistle and he'll stop doing it.Every star player gets away with shit. Kawhi double dribbles all the time for examples.

[313]

Talk about a knee jerk thread when Harden has been killing it, besides this game lol they're 3-1 while the spurs are 2-2 :lol

[djohn2oo8]

OP ignored Nick Anderson, Barkley, Malone, Starks, Ewing, McGrady

[DMC]

OP ignored Nick Anderson, Barkley, Malone, Starks, Ewing, McGrady

I specifically mentioned Malone in the OP (Mailman). Welcome to the US.

[UZER]

Every star player gets away with shit. Kawhi double dribbles all the time for examples.

And harden takes 3 1/2 steps stepping back for a shot. We're even now, so back to Hardens grabbing defenders arms.

Look I'm ok with it occasionally, not really but I get it, but he does it every damn time. He's not even looking for his shot, he's just looking to grab a guys arm and flail. If a guys arm is out, fine. But even when they don't have their arms out, he just reaches out and pulls them in. WTF if that? :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Frauden has been getting carried by the refs and the mega-stacked team he's on all series, end of story.

[DMC]

Harden makes excuse that he rolled his ankle last game, thus he didn't have the same burst this game.

Then proceeds to say "I don't make excuses though"...

Uh, yeah you do. You just did. Idiot.


Russ: down 3-1, refuses to allow Adams to answer a direct question about the Thunder's effectiveness on offense when Russ is on the bench. Says we play as a team. Now he says it. Now. After getting 42 triple doubles and having the team box out so he could all season, now it's a team game, now (Rachael Maddow's voice here). Now Russ wants to share the outcome with the team, now.

[lebomb]

Harden makes excuse that he rolled his ankle last game, thus he didn't have the same burst this game.

Then proceeds to say "I don't make excuses though"...

Uh, yeah you do. You just did. Idiot.


Russ: down 3-1, refuses to allow Adams to answer a direct question about the Thunder's effectiveness on offense when Russ is on the bench. Says we play as a team. Now he says it. Now. After getting 42 triple doubles and having the team box out so he could all season, now it's a team game, now (Rachael Maddow's voice here). Now Russ wants to share the outcome with the team, now.

I watched the entire game yesterday.........WB get his guys open looks on his assists. They clank most of them. WB cannot make his guys hit their shots. Olatrasho is horrible.

[Clipper Nation]

Also, when they're not busy bricking, they're passing it back to Westbrook because they're too afraid to take wide open shots. Hard to get your teammates involved when they don't want to be involved.

[lebomb]

Also, when they're not busy bricking, they're passing it back to Westbrook because they're too afraid to take wide open shots. Hard to get your teammates involved when they don't want to be involved.

How about his team going for a rebound, slamming into each other and the ball goes the other way for a fast break? Maybe thats why he goes for all the rebounds to. :lmao

[unleashbaynes]

Harden makes excuse that he rolled his ankle last game, thus he didn't have the same burst this game.

Then proceeds to say "I don't make excuses though"...

Uh, yeah you do. You just did. Idiot.


Russ: down 3-1, refuses to allow Adams to answer a direct question about the Thunder's effectiveness on offense when Russ is on the bench. Says we play as a team. Now he says it. Now. After getting 42 triple doubles and having the team box out so he could all season, now it's a team game, now (Rachael Maddow's voice here). Now Russ wants to share the outcome with the team, now.

What's funny about that is that Adams was asked a question that he could have pretty easily handled, but selfish Russ just had to step in. Just like on the basketball court.

[spursistan]

Frauden has been getting carried by the refsand the mega-stacked team he's on all series, end of story.
856591972429070337

:lmao

[LkrFan]

OP chokes on dicks and donuts.

:lol

[DMC]

I feel like James knows they cannot win the Finals, so he's now in vacay mode. He doesn't care if they win or lose, and his body language says so. He knows the money comes from the RS antics, not the playoffs because he cannot get them to the ring regardless, and despite all the banter here about how stacked his team is, he has a shitty team who just happen to be some cranky niggas who don't quit.

[DMC]

:bobo

[ElNono]

862142673154592769

[apalisoc_9]

Broken Clock is right once a day

[DMC]

Broken Clock is right once a day

Only a 24 hour clock.

[TDMVPDPOY]

ppl say if the rockets had extra time, that Gordon shot would've counted...what a load of bs, ginoboli blocked the shot and stop after hearing the siren

had there was more time, the ball was still within his reach...he would've dive onto ball or had possession of the ball...not bounce into gordons hands after the siren for some fluke 3 after a siren

[buttsR4rebounding]

Harden was gassed. DA played his crew into the ground. Harden was just 1 turnover away from the first playoff quadruple double!

[unleashbaynes]

Not sure why Dantoni hasn't tried playing Dekker and Harrell tbh. He didn't exactly coach a great game.

[DMC]

Not sure why Dantoni hasn't tried playing Dekker and Harrell tbh. He didn't exactly coach a great game.

Mike is a one trick pony - run down and shoot. If he loses, they didn't make enough shots at the end. They always "played well enough to win" according to him, "just didn't make shots" is his excuse, and most coaches will avoid blaming the offense in games that see both teams scoring over 100pts and 60 by the half. Defense is part of the game, Mike never accepted that.

[Horse]

ppl say if the rockets had extra time, that Gordon shot would've counted...what a load of bs, ginoboli blocked the shot and stop after hearing the siren

had there was more time, the ball was still within his reach...he would've dive onto ball or had possession of the ball...not bounce into gordons hands after the siren for some fluke 3 after a siren

And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle what's the point?

[ElNono]

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18341825_1952604404756991_7469422720854831265_n.jp g?oh=3f8a7971a66b906e5a3d541339f2c9be&oe=5983B97A

[Clipper Nation]

Dallas Keuchel is the only beard anyone fears in Houston, tbh.

http://i.imgur.com/yoyQwrd.png

[Chris]

"just didn't make shots" is his excuse

Always accompanied by the Liberal eye roll because he can't look someone in the eye and say that with a straight face :lol

WE JUST GOTTA MAKE SHAHTS...:rolleyes

[Koolaid_Man]

My best Harden memory ever:

pcIguwdUZBk

[HarlemHeat37]

He's the most gutless superstar I've ever seen, tbh..everything about him, from style of play to effort..

[313]

Shades of Kobe vs the Suns that first half. Not even a shot attempt until half way through the 2nd Q

[Rummpd]

OP brings truth

[HarlemHeat37]

Shades of Kobe vs the Suns that first half. Not even a shot attempt until half way through the 2nd Q

Except Harden has consistently been a terrible playoff performer(relatively speaking) since leaving his supporting role in OKC, tbh:lol..the biggest Rockets moment since Hakeem was their comeback vs. the Clippers where Harden was on the bench..

[Trainwreck2100]

Except Harden has consistently been a terrible playoff performer(relatively speaking) since leaving his supporting role in OKC, tbh:lol..the biggest Rockets moment since Hakeem was their comeback vs. the Clippers where Harden was on the bench..

he was shit in the 12 finals when the refs swallowed their whistles

[StrengthAndHonor]

MVP my ass.

[Trainwreck2100]

MVP my ass.


westbrook wasn't any better

[illusioNtEk]

fucking DMC must be a god or something

[benefactor]

There's only one explanation...
https://www.sohh.com/wp-content/uploads/Lil-B1.png

[baseline bum]

God I hope he wins MVP, oh man that would hilarious.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Frauden isn't even a star. He's the new-age Corey Maggette. Anyone who thought this fraud deserved to win MVP over Westbrook needs to turn in their fan card and admit that they don't know shit about basketball.

[DMC]

:lol Frauden isn't even a star. He's the new-age Corey Maggette. Anyone who thought this fraud deserved to win MVP over Westbrook needs to turn in their fan card and admit that they don't know shit about basketball.

Kawhi was the MVP. (Ok it was James but he can't have it every year)

[benefactor]

:lol fouling himself out
:lol quitting faggot

[Killakobe81]

:lol fouling himself out
:lol quitting faggot

This this this ...some MVP

[baseline bum]

:lol fouling himself out
:lol quitting faggot

So Lamarcus Aldridge is a bigger game player than James Harden :lmao

[Killakobe81]

:lol Frauden isn't even a star. He's the new-age Corey Maggette. Anyone who thought this fraud deserved to win MVP over Westbrook needs to turn in their fan card and admit that they don't know shit about basketball.
Westbrook Leonard or LeBron of course ...

[Silver&Black]

:lol fouling himself out
:lol quitting faggot

I was shocked he did that. Absolutely shocked.

[Chris]

Pretty sure he mentally checked out during the 2nd quarter. His body language was telling.

[Trainwreck2100]

God I hope he wins MVP, oh man that would hilarious.

Someone already did the math and figured out it's going to westbrook

[Chris]

Someone already did the math and figured out it's going to westbrook

Crazy because it's clearly Lebron's MVP to lose.

[FkLA]

That might be the most pathetic performance I've seen from a star player in an elimination game.

2-11 shooting, 6 TOs, and literally had shit droppings on his beard by the end of the game

[Robz4000]

:rollin what a gutless worm

[ElNono]

DMC

[baseline bum]

Even Sergio Garcia was able to win the big one. Harden's now alone on his own island of big game failure.

[whitemamba]

Shit the bed. Again.

[Clipper Nation]

Even Sergio Garcia was able to win the big one. Harden's now alone on his own island of big game failure.

Choke Paul, David Price and Alex Ovechkin will keep him company, tbh.

[FkLA]

:lol Relaxed af at the podium. Looked like he couldn't care less. Probably looking forward to making it rain on more strippers.

[DMC]

DMC

Me

[Raven]

this was so bad

[DMC]

I almost vomited in my mouth a little switching back and forth between NBA TV and ESPN Sportscenter. They've gone from "he quit" to "Well, it's hard when you're forced to go to your weak hand" and "the role players didn't show up".

Media doing Trump level damage control right now since they've boosted Harden all season. The talk isn't about SA, it's about Harden, all about Harden. He's got the flu, his hand is hurt, his ankle, he's expected to do too much.

Jesus fuck. I hate media.

[HarlemHeat37]

At least djohn will have an out on this forum by playing the Kawhi system card, tbh:lol

[DMC]

:lol Relaxed af at the podium. Looked like he couldn't care less. Probably looking forward to making it rain on more strippers.

I knew he was quitting early in the game. I saw him trying to foul himself out. He got 3 fouls by the 1st half and picked up his 4th right away in the 3rd. I saw it in his face, he quit.

Only pussies and assholes quit. Harden is a loser.

[DMC]

btw, I wasn't posting here during the game because I've been trolling the fuck out of Clutchfans all night.

[FkLA]

I knew he was quitting early in the game. I saw him trying to foul himself out. He got 3 fouls by the 1st half and picked up his 4th right away in the 3rd. I saw it in his face, he quit.

Only pussies and assholes quit. Harden is a loser.

Dude had like 4 TOs in the first half of the 1st Qtr IIRC. 0 FGAs the entire 1st Qtr. He came in ready to bend over. Probably has a party to attend/host this weekend.

[Clipper Nation]

At least djohn will have an out on this forum by playing the Kawhi system card, tbh:lol

:lol No he won't. All Spurfan has to do to counter that is explain how the D'Antoni System (and the officiating, for that matter) padded Frauden's stats.

Dumbjohn will be hiding in the Political Forum all offseason, posting about how Trump's really going to get impeached soon, for real this time!

[DMC]

Dude had like 4 TOs in the first half of the 1st Qtr IIRC. 0 FGAs the entire 1st Qtr. He came in ready to bend over. Probably has a party to attend/host this weekend.

I think he's a smart motherfucker. He had no chance against GS. He probably had a distant relative bet heavy on SA and he took a dive to cover. He gets 2 more weeks of vacay he wouldn't get otherwise, and he's still making 100's of millions. He's a faggot and a quitter, but he didn't do it accidentally.

[Silver&Black]

DMC

^
Called it first. Him.

[Chris]

:lol No he won't. All Spurfan has to do to counter that is explain how the D'Antoni System (and the officiating, for that matter) padded Frauden's stats.

Dumbjohn will be hiding in the Political Forum all offseason, posting about how Trump's really going to get impeached soon, for real this time!

:lol

[Robz4000]

DMC

^
Called it first. Him.
DMC

[buttsR4rebounding]

I knew he was quitting early in the game. I saw him trying to foul himself out. He got 3 fouls by the 1st half and picked up his 4th right away in the 3rd. I saw it in his face, he quit.

Only pussies and assholes quit. Harden is a loser. I have to hand it to my wife. After game5 she said based on his expression and body language that Harden was done. She predicted Harden would be a game 6 no show..

[manufan10]

Dude had like 4 TOs in the first half of the 1st Qtr IIRC. 0 FGAs the entire 1st Qtr. He came in ready to bend over. Probably has a party to attend/host this weekend.

"James Harden Hits Houston Club, Gets MVP Chants After Being Eliminated by Spurs"


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2709304-james-harden-hits-houston-club-gets-mvp-chants-after-being-eliminated-by-spurs?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

[spurraider21]

DMC

[Indazone]

And in other news. lol:downspin:

Lil B offers to lift curse on James Harden following stunning Game 6 loss to Spurs

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lil-b-offers-to-lift-curse-on-james-harden-following-stunning-game-6-loss-to-spurs/

[FkLA]

"James Harden Hits Houston Club, Gets MVP Chants After Being Eliminated by Spurs"


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2709304-james-harden-hits-houston-club-gets-mvp-chants-after-being-eliminated-by-spurs?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

:lmao

[DMC]

If Mike D keeps his job I will be shocked. James will be spared by the sacrifice of Mike D. Otherwise the franchise is in ruins.

[Indazone]

Mike D'Antoni speaks about Harden after game 6 loss to Spurs.

James Harden may need more rest next season, Mike D'Antoni says
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19367747/james-harden-houston-rockets-need-more-rest-next-season-mike-dantoni-says

[FkLA]

Mike D'Antoni speaks about Harden after game 6 loss to Spurs.

James Harden may need more rest next season, Mike D'Antoni says


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19367747/james-harden-houston-rockets-need-more-rest-next-season-mike-dantoni-says

Let the damage control and pampering begin.

[baseline bum]

Mike D'Antoni speaks about Harden after game 6 loss to Spurs.

James Harden may need more rest next season, Mike D'Antoni says
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19367747/james-harden-houston-rockets-need-more-rest-next-season-mike-dantoni-says

Nigga rests half the game anyways, why does he need more?

[Joseph Kony]

i was gonna say...isn't playing only 1 side of the court enough rest for this guy? :lol


I haven't seen a quit like that since Kobe was up 3-1 against Phoenix tbh...last night was pathetic, harden legit didnt give two shits about winning it was evident in the first 6 minutes of the game imo

[Blake]

"James Harden Hits Houston Club, Gets MVP Chants After Being Eliminated by Spurs"


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2709304-james-harden-hits-houston-club-gets-mvp-chants-after-being-eliminated-by-spurs?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

They were drunk

[DMC]

Let the damage control and pampering begin.

They have to, else they have to fire Mike or trade off Harden.

[Clipper Nation]

Mike D'Antoni speaks about Harden after game 6 loss to Spurs.

James Harden may need more rest next season, Mike D'Antoni says


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19367747/james-harden-houston-rockets-need-more-rest-next-season-mike-dantoni-says
:lol Seriously? Frauden gets more rest than anyone. He spends 90% of the game shooting free throws and the remaining 10% standing or walking around. I'd understand him needing rest if he actually tried and exerted some energy like real stars do.

[LkrFan]

:lol No he won't. All Spurfan has to do to counter that is explain how the D'Antoni System (and the officiating, for that matter) padded Frauden's stats.

Dumbjohn will be hiding in the Political Forum all offseason, posting about how Trump's really going to get impeached soon, for real this time!

:lmao

djohn2oo8 get your monkey ass in here and :downspin: this shiiiiiiiiit! :rollin :lmao :rollin

[LkrFan]

:lol Seriously? Frauden gets more rest than anyone. He spends 90% of the game shooting free throws and the remaining 10% standing or walking around. I'd understand him needing rest if he actually tried and exerted some energy like real stars do.

:lol

[Mikeanaro]

http://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/18966065/james-harden-houston-rockets-no-plans-take-rest-games-healthy

[Arcadian]

:lol Harden's game 6 had to be the worst playoff performance by a star player in history...

[ambchang]

Espn putting the spin on how harden is tired. Come on man.

[Indazone]

Can't disagree with the choker comment.

[ArtVandelay]

how do you choke down 3-2? how do we give pop and the spurs credit for "doing it the right way" while also saying harden is a choker? it's either one or the other

but yea, steph curry's bitch ass is the biggest choker. unanimous MVP, up 3-1, loses 3 straight and 2 at home. can't make the last shot against kevin love

the amout of excuses that light skin fuck gets is hilarious

[DMC]

:lol Seriously? Frauden gets more rest than anyone. He spends 90% of the game shooting free throws and the remaining 10% standing or walking around. I'd understand him needing rest if he actually tried and exerted some energy like real stars do.

Dude makes it rain till like 5am on game days. He needs rest.

[DMC]

how do you choke down 3-2? how do we give pop and the spurs credit for "doing it the right way" while also saying harden is a choker? it's either one or the other

but yea, steph curry's bitch ass is the biggest choker. unanimous MVP, up 3-1, loses 3 straight and 2 at home. can't make the last shot against kevin love

the amout of excuses that light skin fuck gets is hilarious

The thread was made 2 weeks before game 5. I realize you're either a shelved alt or just a gnsf inspired to post once every 5 years during the playoffs, but try to pay attention.

[DMC]

:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Definitely up there with that scumbag pedophile and David Robinson..Patrick Ewing, as well..

[SpurOutofTownFan]

I thought Manu's block last year was just a fluke, a Manu-thing, but Harden has outchoked himself this year

[Clipper Nation]

It sucks that the Warriors are ringing again, but the fact that Frauden will never flop his way to a ring is a nice consolation prize at least.

[phxspurfan]

lol Harden

[Bynumite]

Wow, Harden already in the gym putting up shots :wow
























































And by gym i mean stripclub and by shots i mean stacks of money :lol




http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/James-Harden-Strip-Club.png

[lefty]

Just a product of today's pussified NBA tbh

[whitemamba]

DMC with the rare goods

[Bynumite]

Still took the champs to 7, the spurstalk hero nearly got swept with another 2 all stars on his team.

[LkrFan]

1001317435474108417

[resistanze]

Left handed JR Smith

[DMC]

Still took the champs to 7, the spurstalk hero nearly got swept with another 2 all stars on his team.

They can hang the "Took the Champs to 7 games" banner.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol It only went 7 games because Durbeta was completely shitting the bed, anyway. It had nothing to do with Frauden.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol It only went 7 games because Durbeta was completely shitting the bed, anyway. It had nothing to do with Frauden.

It's a stupid argument, the 2017 Warriors were far better than this year's burnt out version, even with the same roster..

It's like saying the 2003 Lakers = 2001 and 2002 Lakers:lol

[spurraider21]

It's a stupid argument, the 2017 Warriors were far better than this year's burnt out version, even with the same roster..

It's like saying the 2003 Lakers = 2001 and 2002 Lakers:lol
ur talking to CN... his entire persona is working a shtick to death until he finds the next one

[Clipper Nation]

It's a stupid argument, the 2017 Warriors were far better than this year's burnt out version, even with the same roster..

It's like saying the 2003 Lakers = 2001 and 2002 Lakers:lol

Maybe, but the "burnt-out version" of the Warriors is still the most stacked team in history and they should have wrapped this series up in 5 games at the most.

[resistanze]

1001305246566637573

[resistanze]

1001306998787452928

[DAF86]

My "Manu 0.2" nickname is an insult to Manu, tbh.

[DeadlyDynasty]

My "Manu 0.2" nickname is an insult to Manu, tbh.
This. Manu could close.

[Double-Up]

1001306998787452928

My nigga, as a Toronto fan you can't really talk shit about chokejobs, that's rule #1...:lol

[Stabula]

Maybe, but the "burnt-out version" of the Warriors is still the most stacked team in history and they should have wrapped this series up in 5 games at the most.

Agreed.

[endrity]

I don't think he fully choked, as he was up against a better opponent. But on the other hand, it's not like he did much to change a perception that he isn't the type of player to carry you to a championship and needs considerable help to do so.

[DMC]

I don't think he fully choked, as he was up against a better opponent. But on the other hand, it's not like he did much to change a perception that he isn't the type of player to carry you to a championship and needs considerable help to do so.

He choked.

It's been established already by Clitoris Nation that either team that loses is a choker. Thus the Rockets are chokers.

[StrengthAndHonor]

I don't think he fully choked, as he was up against a better opponent. But on the other hand, it's not like he did much to change a perception that he isn't the type of player to carry you to a championship and needs considerable help to do so.
I was rooting for Harden in this series but he choked, plain and simple. It wasn’t just the fact that he missed a ton of shots but there’s plenty of mental lapses that cost them the series.

[LkrFan]

My nigga, as a Toronto fan you can't really talk shit about chokejobs, that's rule #1...:lol

:lol

[resistanze]

My nigga, as a Toronto fan you can't really talk shit about chokejobs, that's rule #1...:lol

Again....why are you deflecting? Besides the fact I don't even watch the Raps, Harden is essentially DeRozan choking on steroids. Harden's chokes against the Spurs and now GSW is equivalent to 25 DeRozans....what are you actually arguing bruh? :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Even if we accept the argument that the Rockets had very little chance to win this series, Frauden decreased their chances even more with how terribly he played.

He choked, plain and simple.

[Double-Up]

Again....why are you deflecting? Besides the fact I don't even watch the Raps, Harden is essentially DeRozan choking on steroids. Harden's chokes against the Spurs and now GSW is equivalent to 25 DeRozans....what are you actually arguing bruh? :lol

Are you trying to compare Harden to DeRozan? That nigga couldn't make a single 3 in the sweep that LeBron gave you fucks. :lol

[spurraider21]

Even if we accept the argument that the Rockets had very little chance to win this series, Frauden decreased their chances even more with how terribly he played.

He choked, plain and simple.
harden and ariza choked. but CP3's absence was noticeable.

[140]

harden and ariza choked. but CP3's absence was noticeable.

Agreed, they'd have choked even harder with CP0 on the court tbh

[spurraider21]

Agreed, they'd have choked even harder with CP0 on the court tbh
you so clever!

[Clipper Nation]

Agreed, they'd have choked even harder with CP0 on the court tbh

Facts.

[resistanze]

Are you trying to compare Harden to DeRozan? That nigga couldn't make a single 3 in the sweep that LeBron gave you fucks. :lol

No...that's the point bruh. Harden is the MVP of the NBA apparently, why are you comparing him to a scrub like DeRozan? And who cares about the DeRozan or Raps, they suck. The Rockets played last night and Harden was a scrub all series long.

[DMC]

Annual bump

[ElNono]

:lol people that compare him to GOATnobili...

[Clipper Nation]

:lol people that compare him to GOATnobili...
He was getting compared to the wrong Spurs guard all along, tbh. He's Porker 2.0.

[DMC]

He was getting compared to the wrong Spurs guard all along, tbh. He's Porker 2.0.

Nah. Tony has 4 rings and a Finals MVP.

Harden has Melo's ball sweat still on the bench where he sits.

[lefty]

He was getting compared to the wrong Spurs guard all along, tbh. He's Porker 2.0.

[Spurtacular]

I had other obligations and could not watch the game.

The choke to me though is the whole Rockets team letting the Warriors stick around in a game you should've blown them out from the start.

And I did browse the highlights. How do you not know Curry wants to go right for that three? Good series for Tucker but not so much on that play.

[Spurtacular]

I feel robbed to not have this series go to a Game 7, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

Nah. Tony has 4 rings and a Finals MVP.

Harden has Melo's ball sweat still on the bench where he sits.

Harden would have that too if he had played with Duncan in that era, tbh.

[daslicer]

I had other obligations and could not watch the game.

The choke to me though is the whole Rockets team letting the Warriors stick around in a game you should've blown them out from the start.

And I did browse the highlights. How do you not know Curry wants to go right for that three? Good series for Tucker but not so much on that play.

Rockets didn't play hard enough in this game. They didn't play with a sense of urgency from the start. I felt when they started playing with a sense of urgency it was too late.

[dbreiden83080]

It’s kind of crazy that a player could average 36 a game in the regular season.. Already have a regular season MVP under his belt, and be in contention for another one, yet his legacy is kind of shattered in pieces at this point. Maybe it makes it easy to understand why players are teaming up these days to try and win championships. Because that seems to be what we value the most.

[UZER]

Rockets didn't play hard enough in this game. They didn't play with a sense of urgency from the start. I felt when they started playing with a sense of urgency it was too late.

But that’s Harden in a nutshell. When the going gets tough, he plays less hard and less interested. It’s the same disease Aldridge has. They will mentally check out at a random point. It could happen before the game, during the second qtr, or with 3 minutes to go in the 4th qtr of a close game. They just turn the “give a fuck” switch off. They just don’t have the championship pedigree.

With the game/season hanging by a thread and the rockets down 5 with under 30 secs, Harden is nonchalantly taking his time bringing the ball up. It’s just unbelievable.

[daslicer]

But that’s Harden in a nutshell. When the going gets tough, he plays less hard and less interested. It’s the same disease Aldridge has. They will mentally check out at a random point. It could happen before the game, during the second qtr, or with 3 minutes to go in the 4th qtr of a close game. They just turn the “give a fuck” switch off. They just don’t have the championship pedigree.

With the game/season hanging by a thread and the rockets down 5 with under 30 secs, Harden is nonchalantly taking his time bringing the ball up. It’s just unbelievable.

I agree that's how I felt when I saw the Rox and Harden hit all of there shots towards the end when the game was out of reach.

[DMC]

Harden would have that too if he had played with Duncan in that era, tbh.

But he didn't and he doesn't. Harden wanted his own team.

[lefty]

Harden would have that too if he had played with Duncan in that era, tbh.
Speedy Claxton would have won Finals MVP playing against B:lol:lolbie Gibs:loln

[MultiTroll]

With the game/season hanging by a thread and the rockets down 5 with under 30 secs, Harden is nonchalantly taking his time bringing the ball up. It’s just unbelievable.
How about when he overreacted to Donkeys running by and gave him a stiff arm for the offensive foul? FFS I think Hou was only down 2 at that point -late. Donkey is emotionally about a 7 year old. For Harden to let a 7 year old boy get inside his head and induce a crucial unforced foul, wow. This coming from a guy Harden, who purportedly lives at strip clubs. Therefore by now should have heard every possible psychological come on line known to man. (Thus some super simplistic baiting by Donkey should have been completely ignored.)

[Beartrucci]

How about when he overreacted to Donkeys running by and gave him a stiff arm for the offensive foul? FFS I think Hou was only down 2 at that point -late. Donkey is emotionally about a 7 year old. For Harden to let a 7 year old boy get inside his head and induce a crucial unforced foul, wow. This coming from a guy Harden, who purportedly lives at strip clubs. Therefore by now should have heard every possible psychological come on line known to man. (Thus some super simplistic baiting by Donkey should have been completely ignored.)

That was a weak call by refs and Dray flopped big time, but your point stands. He shouldn't have been pushing off even THAT much. You're playing the Warriors.

[Mark Celibate]

I had other obligations and could not watch the game.

The choke to me though is the whole Rockets team letting the Warriors stick around in a game you should've blown them out from the start.

And I did browse the highlights. How do you not know Curry wants to go right for that three? Good series for Tucker but not so much on that play.

Very useful bit of information, thanks for sharing imo

[AchillesHeel]

Death
Taxes
Harden choking in the Playoffs

He's come up short year after year after year...this series was actually one of his better ones overall, nothing's going to come close to the 39-point nuke vs. Kawhi-less Spurs.

[HarlemHeat37]

Very useful bit of information, thanks for sharing imo

:lol

[dbreiden83080]

His reg season numbers are fucking insane. 36 PPG this season. Maybe 2 Reg season MVP awards. This keeps up another 3 or 4 years, and he is maybe going down as the best player of all time to never win a ring..

[Clipper Nation]

His reg season numbers are fucking insane. 36 PPG this season. Maybe 2 Reg season MVP awards. This keeps up another 3 or 4 years, and he is maybe going down as the best player of all time to never win a ring..

The only thing that's insane about his regular season numbers is how much ref help he gets to inflate them.

[dbreiden83080]

The only thing that's insane about his regular season numbers is how much ref help he gets to inflate them.

That's just todays NBA for you..

[Clipper Nation]

That's just todays NBA for you..

Nobody else gets the calls Frauden does, though. The stats speak for themselves.

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[apalisoc_9]

Very useful bit of information, thanks for sharing imo

:lmao

[lefty]

Nobody else gets the calls Frauden does, though. The stats speak for themselves.

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Holy shit

And the 4 other guys play closer to the rim

[koriwhat]

But that’s Harden in a nutshell. When the going gets tough, he plays less hard and less interested. It’s the same disease Aldridge has. They will mentally check out at a random point. It could happen before the game, during the second qtr, or with 3 minutes to go in the 4th qtr of a close game. They just turn the “give a fuck” switch off. They just don’t have the championship pedigree.

With the game/season hanging by a thread and the rockets down 5 with under 30 secs, Harden is nonchalantly taking his time bringing the ball up. It’s just unbelievable.

this series had me respecting harden for once up until KD got hurt and harden threw in the towel and stopped attacking. i actually had a totally different outlook on harden for this series and actually feel bad that he tried instead of looking for the foul line instead.

[dbreiden83080]

Nobody else gets the calls Frauden does, though. The stats speak for themselves.

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That is how he plays, and it is the game today. 3 point shooting happy. You can't get under the shooter, you can't even breath on them.

[FkLA]

Holy shit

And the 4 other guys play closer to the rim

That's not really true. I don't get why we act like Harden gets all his FTs from 3PTers. He's a great slasher as well.

Guys like Durbeta/Dirk are jumpshooting guys that were somehow always among league leaders in FTAs.

[Spurtacular]

But he didn't and he doesn't. Harden wanted his own team.

Sure. And Harden doesn't get the extra measure of glory in his fail. But my point still stands.

[Spurtacular]

Speedy Claxton would have won Finals MVP playing against B:lol:lolbie Gibs:loln

I mean Parker was the fastest guy on the floor in 07, and he played up to his potential in that finals. Manu and Duncan were still the most valuable members of that team.

[Spurtacular]

Very useful bit of information, thanks for sharing imo

It is useful. People can know my standpoint rather than arguing with me as if I saw the whole game.

[Spurtacular]

His reg season numbers are fucking insane. 36 PPG this season. Maybe 2 Reg season MVP awards. This keeps up another 3 or 4 years, and he is maybe going down as the best player of all time to never win a ring..

Not relative to pace, usage rate, pace, current NBA rules. But sure, he's among the best of the current crop on the offensive side of the floor.

[Mark Celibate]

It is useful. People can know my standpoint rather than arguing with me as if I saw the whole game.

i agree tbh. As anonymous posters on a message board, we truly were on the edge of our seat knowing what was going on in your personal life as to why you missed watching an NBA basketball game.

:lol Aspergtacular

[Spurtacular]

i agree tbh. As anonymous posters on a message board, we truly were on the edge of our seat knowing what was going on in your personal life as to why you missed watching an NBA basketball game.

:lol Aspergtacular

You chose a really stupid battle, tbh.

I'm not even going to fire back an insult. It'd be like hitting a special ed boy.

[DMC]

Sure. And Harden doesn't get the extra measure of glory in his fail. But my point still stands.

Unproven hypothetical doesn't equate to evidence. Tony Parker was a champion from the start, and will retire with 4 rings and a Finals MVP. He didn't walk away for more money while he was a viable player. Tony isn't a choker.

[Ozballer]

It's funny but the moment of this series was Durant going out. And that put the the Rockets as favourites or at least closer to a win. From that very moment the Rockets couldn't handle the pressure anymore and just panicked and went into fear of winning mode. I did not think it was just Harden, however, he is expected to Curry the team in those moments.

[Spurtacular]

Unproven hypothetical doesn't equate to evidence. Tony Parker was a champion from the start, and will retire with 4 rings and a Finals MVP. He didn't walk away for more money while he was a viable player. Tony isn't a choker.

Of course it's unproven hypothetical. You have no proof that TP ends up with a ring if he's not tethered to Duncan/Manu.

Uh, Tony came up big in the 2013 Finals for what it's worth (though Pop gave it away). Most of his other work leans towards choking though.

That might be a bit strong. Shrinking probably the better term for it.

Mind you, it's not really my aim to trash Parker. But if I have to compare Harden vs. Parker, then I'm just not going to romanticize his impact either.

[DMC]

Of course it's unproven hypothetical. You have no proof that TP ends up with a ring if he's not tethered to Duncan/Manu.

Uh, Tony came up big in the 2013 Finals for what it's worth. Most of his other work leans towards choking though.

I don't need to prove another hypothetical. Decisions factor in to greatness. Tony has 4 rings. Harden has zero. Harden had two MVPs on his team and walked away from them.

[Spurtacular]

I don't need to prove another hypothetical. Decisions factor in to greatness. Tony has 4 rings. Harden has zero. Harden had two MVPs on his team and walked away from them.

Parker was brought into a good situation, and he didn't leave to got be "the man." He wouldn't have dared though. If you want to just count rings, then that's fine.

[Clipper Nation]

That is how he plays, and it is the game today. 3 point shooting happy. You can't get under the shooter, you can't even breath on them.

It isn't "the game today," otherwise you'd see other players getting the same treatment as Frauden. He is just the most ref-reliant player of all time.

[Capt Bringdown]

It's funny but the moment of this series was Durant going out. And that put the the Rockets as favourites or at least closer to a win. From that very moment the Rockets couldn't handle the pressure anymore and just panicked and went into fear of winning mode. I did not think it was just Harden, however, he is expected to Curry the team in those moments.

Good point. Some of the most important B-Ball stuff cannot be captured via advanced stats. For the Rockets, the emotional tone of the series hinged on the moment Durant went out. The fear was palpable: no more excuses, you gotta deliver.

[baseline bum]

The only thing that's insane about his regular season numbers is how much ref help he gets to inflate them.

Doesn't work too well in the postseason once the refs get tight with the food stamps awarded and those numbers dry right up.

[DMC]

He's the best I've ever seen at exploiting an obvious flaw in how the game is played. He does it non-stop. On every trip, if he drives, that head flops back a couple times and his beard even accentuates the movement so he can get a foul called. Often he is fouled, but most other players don't get that call if they go down the middle of the paint in heavy traffic. Eric Gordon was grabbed and still couldn't get a call. Harden would have flung his head back and the whistle would have sounded.

CP3 tries that shit but he's too mentally retarded to do it right, and it comes off looking like a skit.

[Spurtacular]

Nobody else gets the calls Frauden does, though. The stats speak for themselves.

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Harden is the most fouled player, imo.

It's a noodle like Curry who is getting two or three horseshit calls a game to get free points and keep the GS momentum in tact. Whereas, teams legitimately foul Harden to try and slow him down or get away with something.

[DMC]

Right back agian.

[DMC]

And again... the dude is consistent.

[Michael Jordan.]

You called it. And this was the Nets’ best shot at a ring even with Kyrie out

[baseline bum]

He was getting compared to the wrong Spurs guard all along, tbh. He's Porker 2.0.

He's a rich man's Rudy Gay

[LaMarcus Bryant]

When a player as overtly Ref Dependent as Harden becomes a regular winner and ring owner, that's the surefire death knell of the NBA

[Michael Jordan.]

When a player as overtly Ref Dependent as Harden becomes a regular winner and ring owner, that's the surefire death knell of the NBA
Still can’t believe the Nets gave up all them damn picks

[Neo.]

not sure how harden is getting any blame or flack for this series

he was very obviously playing hurt

[LaMarcus Bryant]

not sure how harden is getting any blame or flack for this series

he was very obviously playing hurt

Bc this is the tenth or so time in a row his fat, flowing jelly rolls get trounced in the playoffs

[Michael Jordan.]

Lol he turned the ball over in crucial times just like old times. Fuck outta here.

[Michael Jordan.]

Bc this is the tenth or so time in a row his fat, flowing jelly rolls get trounced in the playoffs
And this particular season he did the most to stay out of shape

[Chris Fall]

Harden absolutely deserves blame, but certainly in conjunction with Nash's decision to play him so much the last 3 games. I'm guessing the argument would be that him sitting on the bench for long stretches likely makes him tighten up. But give even 15-20 of his minutes to Shamet and/or Mike James, they probably score more, maybe even play better overall.

There was a stretch in the early or middle of the 4th where Harden decided to put his imprint on the series and took three straight three pointers with pretty much no one else touching the ball. And not like he was feeling it. And not great shots either. Not wide open. Not in the flow of a set. He clanked all three. I also believe Milwaukee took a lead around the same time.

Sure his mere presence and threat was something, at least for game 5. But that presence was clearly not as much of a threat after game 5. He essentially was a ball dominant role player not really giving much to the team. He's like the bad version of Reggie Jackson.

[MultiTroll]

Covid with his 10s of millions Frauden could not have worked out and dieted with the finest available?

Please.

Since he likes ho's, were he really into winning in the NBA why not have some tight assed fitness workout partners. Such dancers do exist. Put them on your payroll.

[DMC]

Where's Dale? Pussies and assholes lodge the injury excuse. If you're playing you're fair game.

[Michael Jordan.]

Covid with his 10s of millions Frauden could not have worked out and dieted with the finest available?

Please.

Since he likes ho's, were he really into winning in the NBA why not have some tight assed fitness workout partners. Such dancers do exist. Put them on your payroll.
Before THIS season, he did a lot of conditioning and strength drills, avoided injury most of his time here. Stopped doing that this season.