Welcome to SA, CP3

[dabom]

:tu

[xtremesteven33]

One can dream. No way, no how.

[dabom]

Do you want to be a fucking loser your whole life? Or do you want to cement your Legacy?

Fuck the money, Get the FAME.

[SURGE]

SPURS really need to make this happen

[davi78239]

Best chance is Reddick tbh..

[baseline bum]

Fuck CP3. Small point guard who depends on his speed and turns 32 next week? No, I don't want RC to throw $25 million a season at him. Undersized quick point guards age like milk.

[Chris]

If only we could snag Conley :cry He will be a Grizzly for life more than likely.

[tmtcsc]

With what $$?

[tmtcsc]

Aldridge would benefit the most from CP3 coming here.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'd love Paul for 2 seasons or so, but he's going to ask for a deal where he's getting paid record money when he's like 36 years old..disgusting..

[ducks]

He does not win today in 4 Crawford jordon but no Paul

[gambit1990]

:toast

[ducks]

He would be highest player on team not best player

[baseline bum]

I'd love Paul for 2 seasons or so, but he's going to ask for a deal where he's getting paid record money when he's like 36 years old..disgusting..

I would have loved Paul for two seasons two seasons ago.

[SASdynasty!]

Please no. Dude was absolute garbage. 13 points on 32% shooting at home against a mediocre team in G7.

[dabom]

Please no. Dude was absolute garbage. 13 points on 32% shooting at home against a mediocre team in G7.

Dude went raw on porker with one leg. :lmao

[SASdynasty!]

Dude went raw on porker with one leg. :lmao
Parker's destroyed him multiple times in the playoffs. Parker hit the G7 shot over him to win the Hornets series. Then he swept him.

[UZER]

That's a Karl Malone level HELL NO from me. Don't want that loser on this team. He's so worried about all that extra shit on the court he comes the game away. "Oh he's such a pitbull." Eff that, just play the damn game to win.

[gambit1990]

kawhi would instantly be the best player cp3 has played with in his career.

[ducks]

kawhi would instantly be the best player cp3 has played with in his career.

Duncan better then cp3

[SASdynasty!]

Calling it now...Pop and RC would never bring a cancer like CP3 to the team. Have to believe they're smarter than that.

[ducks]

Spurs are going to go with Murray and tp helping him

[KenziE]

Fuck CP3 hes a fucking loser and a fucking ball hog fuck him

[gambit1990]

Duncan better then cp3
yeah. you read what i wrote wrong.

[bic50]

I might be in the minority here. But I have no deseire to see Chris Paul on the Spurs. Would rather have john wall then him. Or develop Murray.

[DAF86]

Fuck CP3. Small point guard who depends on his speed and turns 32 next week? No, I don't want RC to throw $25 million a season at him. Undersized quick point guards age like milk.

I wouldn't say Paul depends on his speed, tbh.

Paul is tremendously skilled and crafty. That's what his game is based on, tbh. He's going to be productive for years to come, imho. But I don't know if productive enough to give him the contract he is probably going to demand.

[sananspursfan21]

I hope we don't wake up to this nightmare 3 months from now.

[gambit1990]

clippers can't resign blake, cp3, and reddick right? don't think it's a 100% guarantee he resigns with a worse roster.

[ducks]

yeah. you read what i wrote wrong.

Yep

[spursistan]

Aldridge would benefit the most from CP3 coming here.
And Dedmon if he stays..

[ducks]

Why are you insulting tp after the first round. Atleast let the spurs season end
Just because Chris Paul can not get to finals

[cd98]

Best chance is Reddick tbh..

Not sure we want him after watching him play recently.

[cd98]

Fuck CP3. Small point guard who depends on his speed and turns 32 next week? No, I don't want RC to throw $25 million a season at him. Undersized quick point guards age like milk.

I don't think Paul relies on athleticism like say Parker, so I think he will be good for another three years. But he's looking for a contract for a longer time and max money, so he'll be back with the Clippers.

[HarlemHeat37]

I think some of you are ignoring that Parker probably bought himself 5 more years as a Spur after that ridiculous 1st round performance, tbh:lol

[UZER]

Paul is the Peyton Manning of the NBA. He's worried about all this extra in game stuff that ultimately doesn't move the outcome the game in his favor. All it does is rattle himself and his teammates​ when it matters and they can't rally behind him.

[coachmac87]

It's going to happen...Woj mentioned it in the offseason..rumors swirled due to the verbal commitment..now the national media is talking about him leaving for the Spurs..

Both parties need each other

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol anyone that believes this is a thing needs to california condor themselves into a power line

[HarlemHeat37]

Paul is the Peyton Manning of the NBA. He's worried about all this extra in game stuff that ultimately doesn't move the outcome the game in his favor. All it does is rattle himself and his teammates​ when it matters and they can't rally behind him.

I don't really think that's his problem tbh..he's an extremely ball-dominant, 6-foot PG, it's just tough to win that way at this level once you get deeper in the playoffs..

Paul is going to need to make slight adjustments to his game as he transitions into a 2nd guy IMO..

[DMC]

Not sure the Spurs could afford him. If they could, not sure he'd want to live in SA and play under Pop who would bench him during the playoffs if he turned the ball over.

[pgardn]

I think some of you are ignoring that Parker probably bought himself 5 more years as a Spur after that ridiculous 1st round performance, tbh:lol

Dead wrong.

Unless it's at 1 million a year.

[HarlemHeat37]

He'll stay with the Clippers(most likely scenario) or join a team in a more glamorous city, and then we'll get a report a few weeks later where a source claims that Paul "strongly considered the Spurs" :lol clockwork..

[RD2191]

CP3 loves Hollywood, he'd never leave LA for SA.

[timtonymanu]

We couldn't even get Conley to go to the Spurs. I doubt Paul would do the same and be the 2nd option to Kawhi

[Chillen]

He's two years younger than Parker and Tony has 4 rings on his fingers, CP3 has 0. Spurs need a younger, quick talented PG. Of course for the right price I'd want CP3 to be a Spur but he'd want the max.

[Hoops Czar]

YeaH, Paul's going to take significantly less money to join the Spurs with Parker already on board :lmao Bunch of dreamers in this forum.

[duncan2k5]

Murray >>>CP3...trust me...you guys will see...

[ducks]

Why talking about this when spurs are playing rockets

[picnroll]

Too expensive. Too prone to break down. Pass.

[daslicer]

CP3 loves Hollywood, he'd never leave LA for SA.

This. LA and NYC are the two markets players never leave if they are getting paid. Only time a big name player has left LA was Dwight and that was because of Kobe. Outside of that it's rare. It's too difficult for players to give up the lifestyle these markets provide. Best example is Carmelo he wants to be in NYC forever even if the Knicks had an 0-82 record.

[tmtcsc]

If CP takes less money than market value to join your team, then you welcome him on board. End of story.

[313]

I would have loved Paul for two seasons two seasons ago.

[MaNu4Tres]

Unfortunately, Spurs are not trading Tony Parker -- even if it meant CP3.

[spursistan]

858797500542496768

I agree with above tweet; Paul is past being top option on a title contender--that if he was ever suitable for it considering his stature, position and his style of play. However, he is still way better than Kidd/Payton at that stage of their careers ..

[200 miles]

This reminds me of that situation back in '03 when the Spurs were trying to bring in a 30 yo jason kidd instead of rolling with a 21 yo TP. I am so glad that Kidd decided to stay in nj. With CP3 at 32 and dijon at 20, it made me reminisce about that time. The only difference this time is obviously the fact that Murray hasn't been "revealed" yet.

[lefty]

Welcome pls

[ducks]

Spurs do not put welcome billboard ups like Phoenix and gets players
But Chris would guarantee playoff failure
He would need to dominate the ball and would not work with Leonard here

[dabom]

You're getting the best player in the WORLD for the Next 8 years. You would benefit just as much as we would. Do it RC.

[dabom]

Spurs do not put welcome billboard ups like Phoenix and gets players
But Chris would guarantee playoff failure
He would need to dominate the ball and would not work with Leonard here

I mean porker already does that shit with epic failure. CP3 can run the offense and dump it to Kawhi in the fourth, if the game isn't over by then. :lmao

[FkLA]

People who call him a loser are idiots. He'd have at least 4 rings too if he'd played alongside Timmy and Manu. Parker wouldn't have any if he'd been the top guy on those Hornets and Clippers teams either. Sure, CP3 has faltered in some big games but it's not like Parker hasn't (Kerr, Barry, CoJo, Paddy have bailed him out throughout the years) yet he's considered a great winner.

I'd take CP3 in a heartbeat even if he'll be overpaid in his later years. It's a no brainer if it means some titles in the early years of the contract. Besides I think he'll age more like Stockton than some other speed reliant PGs. Has a deadly midrange game, a serviceable three, and is a great passer. If he's interested, Pop and RC have to do everything in their power to bring him in, imo.

[TheDoctor]

Murray >>> 39y/o CP3...trust me...you guys will see...

I agree :toast

[TheDoctor]

This reminds me of that situation back in '03 when the Spurs were trying to bring in a 30 yo jason kidd instead of rolling with a 21 yo TP. I am so glad that Kidd decided to stay in nj. With CP3 at 32 and dijon at 20, it made me reminisce about that time. The only difference this time is obviously the fact that Murray hasn't been "revealed" yet.

Some of you need to swallow a reality pill. CP3 came to the League as a borderline All-Star. Dejounte is nowhere near CP3 at 20y/o.

First two Seasons (he was an All-Star by his third):



Season
Age
Tm
Lg
Pos
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
eFG%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


2005-06 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paulch01/gamelog/2006/)
20
NOK (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NOK/2006.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2006.html)
PG
78
78
36.0
5.2
12.1
.430
0.6
2.3
.282
4.6
9.9
.464
.456
5.1
6.0
.847
0.8
4.3
5.1
7.8
2.2
0.1
2.3
2.8
16.1


2006-07 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paulch01/gamelog/2007/)
21
NOK (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NOK/2007.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007.html)
PG
64
64
36.8
6.0
13.6
.437
0.8
2.2
.350
5.2
11.4
.455
.466
4.6
5.6
.818
0.8
3.5
4.4
8.9
1.8
0.0
2.5
2.4
17.3

[cutewizard]

Please no. Dude was absolute garbage. 13 points on 32% shooting at home against a mediocre team in G7.


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:bobo

[Chinook]

The first thing before trying to go after Paul is to secure the front court in the event of a Pau trade/opt out. The easiest way to do that would be to have Dedmon opt in with the promise that he's bound to get a ton more with another year to show off his talent and with Paul feeding him. Maybe he opts out and re-signs for the new, much bigger room exception, but you'd like to keep that to fill out the rotation if possible. If you do that, stash Milutinov (but not the pick) and let the FAs walk, you have just under $20 Million to offer him. Honestly, that's a great ring-chaser contract. You do the trick with Dedmon, it's $23 Million, but again, you'd like to keep something back just to fill out the rotation.

Paul, Parker
Green, Murray, Forbes
Kawhi, Anderson
LMA, Bertans
Dedmon, (blank)/Lee/Pick

I'd probably want to bring Nikola over anyway and use the pick on a wing while also bringing in Hanga. Regardless, having Parker on the team is drag on resources, but it would be necessary to recruit CP. If you off the one-and-one, it could be enough to entice him into biting. Maybe something like:

Paul, Parker, Murray
Green, McLemore (room), Forbes
Kawhi, Anderson, Hanga
Aldridge, Bertans, Ojeleye (first)
Dedmon, Milutinov, Kuzma (second)

With two spots open for the two-way contracts.

I think you could build a contender around that group for sure, especially with a ring-chaser to fill in the shaky wing and center spots. Like maybe Splitter and Carter.

[Chinook]

Fully aware that post is bullshit. But it would be cool to have something like it.

[rasuo214]

He'd cost too much for his age (can the Spurs even afford a max deal?) and he is too ball dominant. If he was willing to take a pay cut and adjust his play style a bit he'd be a great signing but I doubt he'd want to do either and I wouldn't blame him. Now George Hill would be a decent option, already familiar with Pop, good shooter, would fit in the offense, can play defense. The 2 issues with him is how much would he want and can he stay healthy.

If the Spurs got either then they may as well trade Murray because he'll just rot on the bench with Parker taking up backup minutes.

[ducks]

Clippers are 1st NBA team ever to blow a playoffs series lead in 5 straight years

[ducks]

People who call him a loser are idiots. He'd have at least 4 rings too if he'd played alongside Timmy and Manu. Parker wouldn't have any if he'd been the top guy on those Hornets and Clippers teams either. Sure, CP3 has faltered in some big games but it's not like Parker hasn't (Kerr, Barry, CoJo, Paddy have bailed him out throughout the years) yet he's considered a great winner.

I'd take CP3 in a heartbeat even if he'll be overpaid in his later years. It's a no brainer if it means some titles in the early years of the contract. Besides I think he'll age more like Stockton than some other speed reliant PGs. Has a deadly midrange game, a serviceable three, and is a great passer. If he's interested, Pop and RC have to do everything in their power to bring him in, imo.
Clippers are 1st NBA team ever to blow a playoffs series lead in 5 straight years

[ducks]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/4/30/15495160/clippers-curse-nba-playoffs-blown-lead?yptr=yahoo

[outmap]

Would rather have DRose on mid level.

[ducks]

Chris Paul told Paul Pierce: “You’re not ending your career in Utah”
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/chris-paul-told-paul-pierce-150033910.html

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If anything, they should grab Redick to replace Manu. That guy shooting on the perimeter would open some things up.

[TheDoctor]

If anything, they should grab Redick to replace Manu. That guy shooting on the perimeter would open some things up.

Agreed. But that's only if Manu retires to his native Guatemalan house. I can see Manu playing one more year as a "bench" coach tbh :tu

[daslicer]

I have no desire for the Spurs to sign him considering he will demand a huge max deal that will handicap the spurs cap wise for years to come. Also at his age he's not worth a long term contract. Despite being a great player he rubs teammates the wrong way. To me it speaks volumes that Blake and Deandre hate playing with him considering that he's a pass first pg. A lot of that hate is derived from the fact that he never stops yelling and getting on them 24/7. That type of micromanaging leads to burn out.

[TheDoctor]

Guys, is more than clear that IF he joins the Spurs won't be on a Max or near Max deal. Stop the nonsense. Ok? Thank you :tu

[PopTheGOAT]

If anything, they should grab Redick to replace Manu. That guy shooting on the perimeter would open some things up.
I'd like Redick but Korver might be more likely. I'd take either tbh

[Mr. Body]

I don't see it in any fashion. He'll cost way too much and Parker isn't going anywhere. I second those who have mentioned Reddick.

[Chillen]

Would rather have DRose on mid level.

Very likely, unless he wants the max. It's up to the Spurs if they want Rose I think he would have strong interest in this team.

[BillMc]

Very likely, unless he wants the max. It's up to the Spurs if they want Rose I think he would have strong interest in this team.

I'd be all for Rose except for that weird disappearance from the team this season. Not sure where his head is. On the other hand, its the Knicks.:lol

[dabom]

Very likely, unless he wants the max. It's up to the Spurs if they want Rose I think he would have strong interest in this team.

Spurs have zero interest in another washed up ball dominant player. :lol

[SAGirl]

Good discussion here specially Chinook, about how they could make it work.
I don't really see him leaving the Clippers bc LA lifestyles and the money difference is huge. He even got amendments in the CBA to qualify for that supermax. I suppose some trade could make it work... Like Manu signed and traded then retiring... it would be a nice gift to Manu ...and you can give up some small Assets for him. Nothing is impossible when the parties involved want to make it happen so it's wait and see.
I wouldn't be concerned about Dijon. He's versatile, long enough to be a combo guard next to either HOF PG and both are older and injury prone. He would still play. He might be held back, but that happens often to younger players playing in a system until they are ready to take over. He could always request a trade of he wants to, but I think he'd still play enough for him to be happy enough.

[TheDoctor]

Spurs have zero interest in another washed up ball dominant player. :lol

His knees are busted too.

[SpursIndonesia]

I don't see it in any fashion. He'll cost way too much and Parker isn't going anywhere. I second those who have mentioned Reddick.

A Dijon & Reddick back court off the bench will work, enough penetration & shooting, while Hanga at the swing man will provide some size on the perimeter. :tu

[Seventyniner]

People who call him a loser are idiots. He'd have at least 4 rings too if he'd played alongside Timmy and Manu. Parker wouldn't have any if he'd been the top guy on those Hornets and Clippers teams either. Sure, CP3 has faltered in some big games but it's not like Parker hasn't (Kerr, Barry, CoJo, Paddy have bailed him out throughout the years) yet he's considered a great winner.

Bullshit. Parker bailed those guys out.

[Seventyniner]

I think some of you are ignoring that Parker probably bought himself 5 more years as a Spur after that ridiculous 1st round performance, tbh:lol

He did say he wanted to play until he's 40...

[Seventyniner]

Clippers are 1st NBA team ever to blow a playoffs series lead in 5 straight years

The Spurs have blown a playoff series lead 4 times in the last 5 years. What's your point?

[unleashbaynes]

I've heard that CP is an arrogant douche. Will not fit in well with Pop.

[cd98]

Here's my guess...Clippers deal to get Melo to LA with Paul. But they probably don't keep JJ or Blake.

[coachmac87]

Here's my guess...Clippers deal to get Melo to LA with Paul. But they probably don't keep JJ or Blake.

That's probably the only thing that could maybe keep him in LAC...
But that's not really much different and kinda worst than what he's dealt with...not gonna compete for title

[coachmac87]

Same people that say CP3 has no shot leaving LAC or coming here are the same people who thought KD was staying in OKC tbh

[Old School 44]

I wouldn't pursue Chris Paul for max money. I'd develop Murray. I would fast track him, just like Tony Parker's career. I don't want Murray to have Chris Paul hanging over him like Parker had Kidd when the Spurs heavily recruited Kidd to come to San Antonio. The only drawback from the front office for developing Murray like Parker, is if he shows a lot, the Spurs will have to consider the potentially paying Murray a lot more coming out of his cheap rookie deal.

In my opinion, although I truly believe Pop loved George Hill, the real reason Hill was traded is because Pop (and RC) knew he didn't want to pay him the big $$$ coming out of his rookie contract, so they got a rookie contract reset with Kawhi, and basically got lucky.

[coachmac87]

The first thing before trying to go after Paul is to secure the front court in the event of a Pau trade/opt out. The easiest way to do that would be to have Dedmon opt in with the promise that he's bound to get a ton more with another year to show off his talent and with Paul feeding him. Maybe he opts out and re-signs for the new, much bigger room exception, but you'd like to keep that to fill out the rotation if possible. If you do that, stash Milutinov (but not the pick) and let the FAs walk, you have just under $20 Million to offer him. Honestly, that's a great ring-chaser contract. You do the trick with Dedmon, it's $23 Million, but again, you'd like to keep something back just to fill out the rotation.

Paul, Parker
Green, Murray, Forbes
Kawhi, Anderson
LMA, Bertans
Dedmon, (blank)/Lee/Pick

I'd probably want to bring Nikola over anyway and use the pick on a wing while also bringing in Hanga. Regardless, having Parker on the team is drag on resources, but it would be necessary to recruit CP. If you off the one-and-one, it could be enough to entice him into biting. Maybe something like:

Paul, Parker, Murray
Green, McLemore (room), Forbes
Kawhi, Anderson, Hanga
Aldridge, Bertans, Ojeleye (first)
Dedmon, Milutinov, Kuzma (second)

With two spots open for the two-way contracts.

I think you could build a contender around that group for sure, especially with a ring-chaser to fill in the shaky wing and center spots. Like maybe Splitter and Carter.



In this scenario how much $$ is Paul leaving on the table?

[MaNu4Tres]

In this scenario how much $$ is Paul leaving on the table?

120+ million.

If CP3 signed the max with SA, he'd still be leaving 53 million on the table.

[coachmac87]

120+ million.

If CP3 signed the max with SA, he'd still be leaving 53 million on the table.



So Chinook gave a good breakdown with the thought of Paul leaving 120M on the table??

That doesn't make sense to me

[ducks]

his endorsements also would be more if he stayed in laker land

[Chinook]

In this scenario how much $$ is Paul leaving on the table?

Even more than MaNuTres suggested. That particular scenario had him taking $20 Million with a second-year option for pretty much the same. That's $145 Million less in guaranteed money. Don't know where his head is at, but I doubt it's there.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

I've heard Chris' brother, Cliff, has a lot of potential too.

[Chinook]

So Chinook gave a good breakdown with the thought of Paul leaving 120M on the table??

That doesn't make sense to me

I gave a more robust one with him getting his full salary. But there's no way the Spurs can have Parker and Paul on the team at the same time with him getting a max deal and the team not having holes. Hell, the above idea had Dedmon leaving a bunch of money on the table to re-up for a year.

Going under the cap kill depth if you don't mortgage your future to reacquire it. Doing it for three straight years would really hurt the team, especially if Paul doesn't give a discount.

[sexinthatsx]

Sometimes, there are players that won't get over themselves and are beyond coachable. As good as CP3 is, when push comes to shove, I doubt he can go through a learning curve. I'm surprised LMA was able to get through it tbh.

[coachmac87]

I gave a more robust one with him getting his full salary. But there's no way the Spurs can have Parker and Paul on the team at the same time with him getting a max deal and the team not having holes. Hell, the above idea had Dedmon leaving a bunch of money on the table to re-up for a year.

Going under the cap kill depth if you don't mortgage your future to reacquire it. Doing it for three straight years would really hurt the team, especially if Paul doesn't give a discount.


Well I appreciate your post due to your knowledge of the cap...I'd like to see the one you've done with him taking the max.

Even though it may seem like a long shot over the past couple years I think it's safe to say..expect the unexpected. It's tough to pre determine what's gonna happen due to not knowing how both sides truly feel. But I go back to Woj and what he said in July. I don't think anythings changed really since then..

If anything things have kinda worked out., CP3 has been eliminated from the first round..same story and drama swirling in the LAC air just like a year ago. If he was a lock to resign there wouldn't be speculation on what's gonna happen etc..

As for the Spurs...What if CP3 was the plan for 17-18' all along? Just like the Warriors planned on going after KD. Maybe Pau, Lee, Dedmond were given a wink wink on there reasoning of pretty much giving 1yr deals? Just a thought

[Chinook]

Well I appreciate your post due to your knowledge of the cap...I'd like to see the one you've done with him taking the max.

Even though it may seem like a long shot over the past couple years I think it's safe to say..expect the unexpected. It's tough to pre determine what's gonna happen due to not knowing how both sides truly feel. But I go back to Woj and what he said in July. I don't think anythings changed really since then..

If anything things have kinda worked out., CP3 has been eliminated from the first round..same story and drama swirling in the LAC air just like a year ago. If he was a lock to resign there wouldn't be speculation on what's gonna happen etc..

As for the Spurs...What if CP3 was the plan for 17-18' all along? Just like the Warriors planned on going after KD. Maybe Pau, Lee, Dedmond were given a wink wink on there reasoning of pretty much giving 1yr deals? Just a thought

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8935970#post8935970

It's possible, but if the Spurs had planned on 2017 being the year, Parker would have taken a shorter contract.

[Canyonero]

I've heard Chris' brother, Cliff, has a lot of potential too.

Yeah but he prefers playing in the East.

[coachmac87]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8935970#post8935970

It's possible, but if the Spurs had planned on 2017 being the year, Parker would have taken a shorter contract.

Well I think this plan was cemented when they whiffed on KD...it's all about adjusting to the Warriors. They threw the monkey wrench in the whole thing..I also don't think it's safe to say LMA is coming back and if CP3 was coming here..he'd be out the door

[Joseph Kony]

any way for CP3 to get around the huge deal he is leaving on the table and sign a 1+1 with a PO for the 2nd and opt out for a larger contract ala Durant this season? is this possible?

[coachmac87]

any way for CP3 to get around the huge deal he is leaving on the table and sign a 1+1 with a PO for the 2nd and opt out for a larger contract ala Durant this season? is this possible?

I believe the CBA jump this year is why KD signed the plus 1..which means he could bank on the raises if he signed long term this summer. Paul would benefit most signing long term now since age will hinder his contracts going forward..

But I wouldn't rule anything out tbh

[look_at_g_shred]

I am on board.
https://www.donaldbermanmaimonides.net/hop/hop-on-board.gif

[SAGirl]

I wouldn't pursue Chris Paul for max money. I'd develop Murray. I would fast track him, just like Tony Parker's career. I don't want Murray to have Chris Paul hanging over him like Parker had Kidd when the Spurs heavily recruited Kidd to come to San Antonio. The only drawback from the front office for developing Murray like Parker, is if he shows a lot, the Spurs will have to consider the potentially paying Murray a lot more coming out of his cheap rookie deal.

In my opinion, although I truly believe Pop loved George Hill, the real reason Hill was traded is because Pop (and RC) knew he didn't want to pay him the big $$$ coming out of his rookie contract, so they got a rookie contract reset with Kawhi, and basically got lucky.
That's not a drawback...
If Dijon were to transform himself into a max contract type guy while he's 23-24 and needs to be reupped... that probably is a good thing for the Spurs bc they have a young player to pair with Kawhi whose ages are close and in the younger end of the spectrum. That is not a bad thing at all, also considering his age... those guys tend to outperform even those contracts, bc players that young are still improving if they put in the work. I'd rather max a 23-24 year old who has shown game and is only going to get better than some old player who is about to fall off a cliff (provided Dijon turns into that guy... I mean.. we don't know.)

Personally, the Hill trade had to do with paying him... but it wasn't just that. They needed size in the perimeter at the time. Pop and RC have said it. They needed a real SF and they had been playing Hill on the wings a lot bc they had a need there. It didn't make sense to pay him what he was worth when they still had MVParker and a Manu Ginobili who still had game... they needed size and talent at the forward spot and that is what they went and got (that Kawhi turned out to be the MVP he is, was completely unforeseen at the time).

This is just speculation... personally I don't think CP3 is bound for SA. He is likely staying in LA and if he's considering leaving there, he's not coming to SA... I am just considering all angles personally. If there is a rumor, I just see what can become of it.

[SAGirl]

I gave a more robust one with him getting his full salary. But there's no way the Spurs can have Parker and Paul on the team at the same time with him getting a max deal and the team not having holes. Hell, the above idea had Dedmon leaving a bunch of money on the table to re-up for a year.

Going under the cap kill depth if you don't mortgage your future to reacquire it. Doing it for three straight years would really hurt the team, especially if Paul doesn't give a discount.
Thanks for your posts Chinook.
You don't have an idea how confusing this stuff gets for me lol
I really don't see the Spurs trading Tony to sign CP3 for a supermax deal. At this stage, I am on the wagon that doesn't see Tony getting traded.

Some guys here maybe can see it bc they hate Tony in an irrational fashion, but I don't see it. Tony obviously fits the culture, he's a part of it, we don't know how CP3 would fit in truth be told. He's as ball dominant as it comes. It's taken several seasons IMO for Tony to even learn to be effective without the ball and he still sometimes doesn't quite accomplish it thus his benchings. Kawhi having the ball a lot is going to continue. He just needs help so he doesn't have it the whole game and all the time, so that he can get a blow, and so that the offense doesn't fall down if he sits, things of that nature.

I wouldn't be upset if the least likely of options comes to pass and CP3 somehow joins the Spurs... it's no that I am against it, but it's just very unlikely.

[coachmac87]

Thanks for your posts Chinook.
You don't have an idea how confusing this stuff gets for me lol
I really don't see the Spurs trading Tony to sign CP3 for a supermax deal. At this stage, I am on the wagon that doesn't see Tony getting traded.

Some guys here maybe can see it bc they hate Tony in an irrational fashion, but I don't see it. Tony obviously fits the culture, he's a part of it, we don't know how CP3 would fit in truth be told. He's as ball dominant as it comes. It's taken several seasons IMO for Tony to even learn to be effective without the ball and he still sometimes doesn't quite accomplish it thus his benchings. Kawhi having the ball a lot is going to continue. He just needs help so he doesn't have it the whole game and all the time, so that he can get a blow, and so that the offense doesn't fall down if he sits, things of that nature.

I wouldn't be upset if the least likely of options comes to pass and CP3 somehow joins the Spurs... it's no that I am against it, but it's just very unlikely.


If anyone gets traded for CP3 it's LMA not Tony..

[SAGirl]

If anyone gets traded for CP3 it's LMA not Tony..
It wouldn't make sense.
I think it was TD 21 who made a good post about how the only way to appeal to CP3 would be to seel him in a "big 3 of him, LMA and Kawhi..."
To lose LMA, what do you replace him with?
Right now the team is unbalanced with a lot of depth in bigs and little in guards... in that case you have opposite world. Too much overlapping at the guard spot and not enough quality in your frontcourt.

[FkLA]

Bullshit. Parker bailed those guys out.

I'm talking during specific games not in general. He had those ķind of guys+Timmy & Manu to lean on during those bad games. CP3 didn't because he was always the top guy. His bad games are magnified because his teams haven't had the talent to overcome them so he's labeled a loser. Tony' s teams OTOH have had the talent to overcome them and he's labeled a winner. It's ridiculously unfair, tbh.

[MaNu4Tres]

It wouldn't make sense.
I think it was TD 21 who made a good post about how the only way to appeal to CP3 would be to seel him in a "big 3 of him, LMA and Kawhi..."
To lose LMA, what do you replace him with?
Right now the team is unbalanced with a lot of depth in bigs and little in guards... in that case you have opposite world. Too much overlapping at the guard spot and not enough quality in your frontcourt.

I don't understand how fans can't understand this.

Twitter is even worse.

I had a guy on twitter tell me Spurs would be better starting Bertans at the 4 and Tony at the 2.

[coachmac87]

It wouldn't make sense.
I think it was TD 21 who made a good post about how the only way to appeal to CP3 would be to seel him in a "big 3 of him, LMA and Kawhi..."
To lose LMA, what do you replace him with?
Right now the team is unbalanced with a lot of depth in bigs and little in guards... in that case you have opposite world. Too much overlapping at the guard spot and not enough quality in your frontcourt.


CP3 ain't coming here because of LMA. He'd be coming here to play with Kawhi and Tony and to be coached under Pop. Again I'm not saying the Spurs should trade LMA but if he was the only road block I think he gets moved.

But if we did who do we replace him with?? A big who can be effective without needing to being a focal point of the offense. It's hard to find out who tho at the moment because we don't know what's available etc

[BatManu20]

Almost zero chance imo although I'd welcome it with open arms. It's like people on here suddenly forget how hard it is to lure attactrive Free Agents to San Antonio. If we we're to have a real opportunity to bring CP3 to SA, we'd be incredibly dumb not to. He would immediately be our 2nd best player and better than all of our other Guards combined, improving our team significantly. These next 5-6 years are Kawhi's prime and I'd hate to see it wasted with a bunch of JAGS surrounding him Bc the Spurs failed to bring in top-tier talent.

But like I said, it's highly unlikely anyways. He's already stated his desire to remain in LA, and his family apparently loves it there. Doesn't want to uproot them, especially not to San Antonio. Plus Clips can offer him over $200M.. we can't. Don't see him leaving that kind of dough on the table.

[Old School 44]

That's not a drawback...
If Dijon were to transform himself into a max contract type guy while he's 23-24 and needs to be reupped... that probably is a good thing for the Spurs bc they have a young player to pair with Kawhi whose ages are close and in the younger end of the spectrum. That is not a bad thing at all, also considering his age... those guys tend to outperform even those contracts, bc players that young are still improving if they put in the work. I'd rather max a 23-24 year old who has shown game and is only going to get better than some old player who is about to fall off a cliff (provided Dijon turns into that guy... I mean.. we don't know.)

Personally, the Hill trade had to do with paying him... but it wasn't just that. They needed size in the perimeter at the time. Pop and RC have said it. They needed a real SF and they had been playing Hill on the wings a lot bc they had a need there. It didn't make sense to pay him what he was worth when they still had MVParker and a Manu Ginobili who still had game... they needed size and talent at the forward spot and that is what they went and got (that Kawhi turned out to be the MVP he is, was completely unforeseen at the time).

This is just speculation... personally I don't think CP3 is bound for SA. He is likely staying in LA and if he's considering leaving there, he's not coming to SA... I am just considering all angles personally. If there is a rumor, I just see what can become of it.

I don't think the Front Office wants to risk paying anyone max or even big money if they are not more certain what they are getting. I think they (and everyone else) knew about Kawhi after his rookie deal was up. Are they going to be that sure with Dejonte? Especially with Tony and another veteran guard playing major minutes in front of him.

My concern is the Spurs don't commit to Murray's in-game development during his rookie scale if they pursue and get another veteran guard like Paul (btw, I don't think he will come here either). Then, when Murray's first contract is up, some other team takes a shot at him with a big offer the Spurs aren't willing to match.

[SpursBig3s]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8935970#post8935970

It's possible, but if the Spurs had planned on 2017 being the year, Parker would have taken a shorter contract.

Whats the list of players look like for the 2018 offseason?

[coachmac87]

Almost zero chance imo although I'd welcome it with open arms. It's like people on here suddenly forget how hard it is to lure attactrive Free Agents to San Antonio. If we we're to have a real opportunity to bring CP3 to SA, we'd be incredibly dumb not to. He would immediately be our 2nd best player and better than all of our other Guards combined, improving our team significantly. These next 5-6 years are Kawhi's prime and I'd hate to see it wasted with a bunch of JAGS surrounding him Bc the Spurs failed to bring in top-tier talent.

But like I said, it's highly unlikely anyways. He's already stated his desire to remain in LA, and his family apparently loves it there. Doesn't want to uproot them, especially not to San Antonio. Plus Clips can offer him over $200M.. we can't. Don't see him leaving that kind of dough on the table.


The league is in a different shape these days..and if the FOCUS is about a championship there aren't many options with the league being top heavy. Spurs NOW have arguably Top 5 player and the most respected coach by a long shot. If everything was equal then sure Spurs probably wouldn't be considered..but realistically look at the options around. It's the same short minded thinking that fooled everyone with KD..

Keep in mind KD had waaaaaay more going for him in OKC and he still left. But let's look at what he's possibly facing this offseason on where he can go.

Clippers- Resign for 200M and potentially lose Griffin, Reddick, Doc and other pieces. Best thing they can offfer is MONEY and Jordan as your best player. It's too hard to tell what type of team this can be and honestly just like KD I think CP3 is tired of Clipper drama

Pelicans- Finish career with NOLA? Play with AD and maybe even Boogie?? That's s young core the the league can't match up with. Getting a true PG could help but it's still uncertain how that tandem could work and they'd be extremely thin everywhere else. Doubt this is a real possibility but I've read about it.

Eastern Conference- There could be a sneaky team like the Bucks or a team in Ohio that may wang to shake things up if they get embarrassed in the Finals..

Spurs- Great friends with Tony, Tim, Pop. Spurs can offer a family amotsphere with NO drama yet same time would automatically make them #2 behind GSW pending other moves. Makes basketball sense tbh

[SAGirl]

I don't think the Front Office wants to risk paying anyone max or even big money if they are not more certain what they are getting. I think they (and everyone else) knew about Kawhi after his rookie deal was up. Are they going to be that sure with Dejonte? Especially with Tony and another veteran guard playing major minutes in front of him.

My concern is the Spurs don't commit to Murray's in-game development during his rookie scale if they pursue and get another veteran guard like Paul (btw, I don't think he will come here either). Then, when Murray's first contract is up, some other team takes a shot at him with a big offer the Spurs aren't willing to match.
He has 3 entire seasons ahead of him, summer league work, etc. He will get chances to prove himself.
I think this is just hypothetical. If in 3 more seasons Dijon hasn't earned a consistent role then you say adieu to him and if he does, then you pay him. It's easy.

The other point is: do they want to have 2 HoF PG ahead of him while they have a very weak frontcourt trading LMA? Nope. As I said it doesn't make sense to trade LMA and let Pau go to stick with Tony/CP3... that's as lopsided a team as you can imagine. I suppose you could flip Murray (and someone else, Anderson maybe) for some help at another spot. It still doesn't make sense. YOu have the team unbalanced and much older.

[ducks]

would make more sence to get someone to replace manu imo
you could say tp would come off the bench (and me manu)to create or do you let murray come off the bench and create
he would go against second strings to begin with and be more effect

[coachmac87]

He has 3 entire seasons ahead of him, summer league work, etc. He will get chances to prove himself.
I think this is just hypothetical. If in 3 more seasons Dijon hasn't earned a consistent role then you say adieu to him and if he does, then you pay him. It's easy.

The other point is: do they want to have 2 HoF PG ahead of him while they have a very weak frontcourt trading LMA? Nope. As I said it doesn't make sense to trade LMA and let Pau go to stick with Tony/CP3... that's as lopsided a team as you can imagine. I suppose you could flip Murray (and someone else, Anderson maybe) for some help at another spot. It still doesn't make sense. YOu have the team unbalanced and much older.


Murray would be fine behind Paul and Parker...especially if Manu retired and Simmons, Patty walk.

It's honestly ideal for him because he'd allow to play a combo guard role off the bench and learn from two great players.

That plan is sure better then giving him the keys to the castle next year like some want to do

[SAGirl]

Murray would be fine behind Paul and Parker...especially if Manu retired and Simmons, Patty walk.

It's honestly ideal for him because he'd allow to play a combo guard role off the bench and learn from two great players.

That plan is sure better then giving him the keys to the castle next year like some want to do
He's likely to get bench minutes though for sure any way, it's just a matter of what spot those minutes would come at and what role. I wasn't concerned about him and stated that initilly. It's Old School 44 who is concerned about him.
I still don't like your plan for other reasons that don't involve Dijon.
I just don't like any plan that has a lot of cap committed to two guys at the same position that you can't play together. I didn't like the Pau signing for similar reasons even b4 seeing him play bc Spurs had weaknesses at other areas, but I like him less now that him and Aldridge can't play together for example and thus Pau's minutes are getting reduced more... You just can't get full value of guys that need to play out of position a lot or have minutes limited... I don't like to pay a whole lot for players at the same spot. It's not sound management of limited cap resources and makes the roster very unbalanced.

[coachmac87]

He's likely to get bench minutes though for sure any way, it's just a matter of what spot those minutes would come at and what role. I wasn't concerned about him and stated that initilly. It's Old School 44 who is concerned about him.
I still don't like your plan for other reasons that don't involve Dijon.
I just don't like any plan that has a lot of cap committed to two guys at the same position that you can't play together. I didn't like the Pau signing for similar reasons even b4 seeing him play bc Spurs had weaknesses at other areas, but I like him less now that him and Aldridge can't play together for example and thus Pau's minutes are getting reduced more... You just can't get full value of guys that need to play out of position a lot or have minutes limited... I don't like to pay a whole lot for players at the same spot. It's not sound management of limited cap resources and makes the roster very unbalanced.

Well it's only unbalanced because you're taking into account what you know in the backcourt (Paul, Parker, Murray) and what you don't know in the froncourt without LMA. And let me add I'm not saying I want LMA gone all I'm saying is IF he was the only thing stopping CP3 from coming here he'd be moved. I know the LMA rumors earlier were real and he could be moved regardless of Paul coming here or not.

I wish I could give you a better idea of a front court if LMA was moved but I can't because trades and ring chasing vets are hard guess without the first domino falling

[tholdren]

Best chance is Reddick tbh..

over green for sure

[TD 21]

It wouldn't make sense.
I think it was TD 21 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17781) who made a good post about how the only way to appeal to CP3 would be to seel him in a "big 3 of him, LMA and Kawhi..."
To lose LMA, what do you replace him with?
Right now the team is unbalanced with a lot of depth in bigs and little in guards... in that case you have opposite world. Too much overlapping at the guard spot and not enough quality in your frontcourt.

I also said it's got to be about depth too because even though Leonard is obviously more appealing than Griffin at this point, when he already plays with Griffin and Jordan, Leonard and Aldridge is more than likely not enough to convince him to leave the money and city and play for a domineering coach, as well as off the ball some with another perimeter superstar (although that would be a partial selling point, it would still take some getting used to for such a ball dominate player).

If they're going to attempt to convince him, he needs to be sold on the things the Clippers can't sell him on: 3 and D wings, 2 intriguing young talents, all picks going forward and a track record of unearthing late round and undrafted gems.

[SAGirl]

I also said it's got to be about depth too because even though Leonard is obviously more appealing than Griffin at this point, when he already plays with Griffin and Jordan, Leonard and Aldridge is more than likely not enough to convince him to leave the money and city and play for a domineering coach, as well as off the ball some with another perimeter superstar (although that would be a partial selling point, it would still take some getting used to for such a ball dominate player).

If they're going to attempt to convince him, he needs to be sold on the things the Clippers can't sell him on: 3 and D wings, 2 intriguing young talents, all picks going forward and a track record of unearthing late round and undrafted gems.
All good points.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Fuck CP3. Small point guard who depends on his speed and turns 32 next week? No, I don't want RC to throw $25 million a season at him. Undersized quick point guards age like milk.

He'll command more bank than he's worth at this point. I concur.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I'm sure he and Blake will be on the Warriors roster next season.

[coachmac87]

I also said it's got to be about depth too because even though Leonard is obviously more appealing than Griffin at this point, when he already plays with Griffin and Jordan, Leonard and Aldridge is more than likely not enough to convince him to leave the money and city and play for a domineering coach, as well as off the ball some with another perimeter superstar (although that would be a partial selling point, it would still take some getting used to for such a ball dominate player).

If they're going to attempt to convince him, he needs to be sold on the things the Clippers can't sell him on: 3 and D wings, 2 intriguing young talents, all picks going forward and a track record of unearthing late round and undrafted gems.


Things Spurs have that Clippers don't...

1. Championship Culture
2. Family Culture
3. Prime Franchise Player
4. Most Player Respected Coach

I don't think LMA HAS to be part of the team going forward. But if they can make it work so be it..But CP3 won't be back in Clipper land next year. The rumors are already swirling and the media won't shut up about it like they couldn't with KD..something's there. Woj started this whole thing tbh so that's what gets me thinking. But if your're Paul and looking for title and the Spurs came calling he'd be an idiot not to listen...

People just wanna brush it off like KD situation tho..when Paul has the keys in which direction the league is gonna go tbh and he better capitalize on it.

Or everybody can just cave in and take their $$ and watch GSW win at least 3 straight championships..

[gambit1990]

:hungry:

[DAF86]

The first thing before trying to go after Paul is to secure the front court in the event of a Pau trade/opt out. The easiest way to do that would be to have Dedmon opt in with the promise that he's bound to get a ton more with another year to show off his talent and with Paul feeding him. Maybe he opts out and re-signs for the new, much bigger room exception, but you'd like to keep that to fill out the rotation if possible. If you do that, stash Milutinov (but not the pick) and let the FAs walk, you have just under $20 Million to offer him. Honestly, that's a great ring-chaser contract. You do the trick with Dedmon, it's $23 Million, but again, you'd like to keep something back just to fill out the rotation.

Paul, Parker
Green, Murray, Forbes
Kawhi, Anderson
LMA, Bertans
Dedmon, (blank)/Lee/Pick

I'd probably want to bring Nikola over anyway and use the pick on a wing while also bringing in Hanga. Regardless, having Parker on the team is drag on resources, but it would be necessary to recruit CP. If you off the one-and-one, it could be enough to entice him into biting. Maybe something like:

Paul, Parker, Murray
Green, McLemore (room), Forbes
Kawhi, Anderson, Hanga
Aldridge, Bertans, Ojeleye (first)
Dedmon, Milutinov, Kuzma (second)

With two spots open for the two-way contracts.

I think you could build a contender around that group for sure, especially with a ring-chaser to fill in the shaky wing and center spots. Like maybe Splitter and Carter.

"Secure the front court" :lol

Fuck the frontcourt son. No, seriously, fuck it. :cuss Today's NBA rosters shouldn't have more than 3 stiffs on it.

[TD 21]

Things Spurs have that Clippers don't...

1. Championship Culture
2. Family Culture
3. Prime Franchise Player
4. Most Player Respected Coach

I don't think LMA HAS to be part of the team going forward. But if they can make it work so be it..But CP3 won't be back in Clipper land next year. The rumors are already swirling and the media won't shut up about it like they couldn't with KD..something's there. Woj started this whole thing tbh so that's what gets me thinking. But if your're Paul and looking for title and the Spurs came calling he'd be an idiot not to listen...

People just wanna brush it off like KD situation tho..when Paul has the keys in which direction the league is gonna go tbh and he better capitalize on it.

Or everybody can just cave in and take their $$ and watch GSW win at least 3 straight championships..

This isn't '14 or '15 and Paul isn't an idiot. The whole Spurs being trendy thing is just about gone and after the Rockets finish them '10 Suns style, it'll be all the way gone.

If they come at him or any other marquee free agent in future years, with that hokey/mystique shit, they're going to be tuned out.

This is all theoretical talk anyway though, since Paul isn't going anywhere.

[gospursgojas]

Spurs have 200 mil laying around?

[cjw]

This isn't '14 or '15 and Paul isn't an idiot. The whole Spurs being trendy thing is just about gone and after the Rockets finish them '10 Suns style, it'll be all the way gone.

If they come at him or any other marquee free agent in future years, with that hokey/mystique shit, they're going to be tuned out.

This is all theoretical talk anyway though, since Paul isn't going anywhere.

Having a chance to play with Kawhi will be enough for any top FA to have a serious conversation if he's serious about playing with a team that has a chance at a title. Spurs are honestly in a great cap situation as every player save Parker could be moved for value in return:
- Aldridge is essentially 2 for $44 but second year is player option. There would be takers (even Clippers in S&T if Griffin leaves)
- Parker is only on his large deal for one more year
- Gasol will opt in and is only on large deal for one more year
- Green is extremely team friendly and valuable to keep around
- Everyone else is dirt cheap. Lots of ways to fill back of roster with young players, albeit not high lottery picks


Lebron's team is in luxury tax hell (but can always find a way to make things work) but not moving Kyrie for Paul at this stage. Warriors need to use all cap room to keep Durant. Rockets could be in dialogue but already have ball dominant player. Celtics could do it easily if they wanted to. Only other options are long game plays banking on player development like the Bucks (probably a few years away), Philly (highest bets), Minnesota (waiting game) and New Orleans reunion.

[coachmac87]

This isn't '14 or '15 and Paul isn't an idiot. The whole Spurs being trendy thing is just about gone and after the Rockets finish them '10 Suns style, it'll be all the way gone.

If they come at him or any other marquee free agent in future years, with that hokey/mystique shit, they're going to be tuned out.

This is all theoretical talk anyway though, since Paul isn't going anywhere.


What's hokey/mystique about having a Top 5 player and most respected coach in the league?!?! Everything I listed is true and I think it could be appealing to Paul or other FA's. Paul genuinely has relationships with Duncan, Pop and Parker..even though Duncan is gone his presence isn't and the Spurs "family culture" can be a good change of scenery from all the Clipper drama..

Look you can say and assume all y'all want about what to believe..but Woj stated in October Spurs are going after Paul. That's with the roster constructed as we know it..nothing has changed. If anything it's maybe changed for the better because Clippers are a mess and the Spurs could be looking to get rid of the cancer (LMA)...let alone improve their PG play.

Both parties (CP3,Spurs) need each other and one reportedly has been interested for awhile..just get ready

[TD 21]

Having a chance to play with Kawhi will be enough for any top FA to have a serious conversation if he's serious about playing with a team that has a chance at a title. Spurs are honestly in a great cap situation as every player save Parker could be moved for value in return:
- Aldridge is essentially 2 for $44 but second year is player option. There would be takers (even Clippers in S&T if Griffin leaves)
- Parker is only on his large deal for one more year
- Gasol will opt in and is only on large deal for one more year
- Green is extremely team friendly and valuable to keep around
- Everyone else is dirt cheap. Lots of ways to fill back of roster with young players, albeit not high lottery picks


Lebron's team is in luxury tax hell (but can always find a way to make things work) but not moving Kyrie for Paul at this stage. Warriors need to use all cap room to keep Durant. Rockets could be in dialogue but already have ball dominant player. Celtics could do it easily if they wanted to. Only other options are long game plays banking on player development like the Bucks (probably a few years away), Philly (highest bets), Minnesota (waiting game) and New Orleans reunion.

Not when you already play with Griffin (rumors of his demise are just that at this point; the reality is, until further notice, AKA him being healthy for an extended stretch, he's no worse than a top 15 player) and Jordan, can make $40-50M more by staying with your incumbent team and are in LA.

Cap space is nice, but Paul is in win now mode. They'd need a core of high quality, in their prime types to sell him on, first and foremost.



What's hokey/mystique about having a Top 5 player and most respected coach in the league?!?! Everything I listed is true and I think it could be appealing to Paul or other FA's. Paul genuinely has relationships with Duncan, Pop and Parker..even though Duncan is gone his presence isn't and the Spurs "family culture" can be a good change of scenery from all the Clipper drama..

Look you can say and assume all y'all want about what to believe..but Woj stated in October Spurs are going after Paul. That's with the roster constructed as we know it..nothing has changed. If anything it's maybe changed for the better because Clippers are a mess and the Spurs could be looking to get rid of the cancer (LMA)...let alone improve their PG play.

Both parties (CP3,Spurs) need each other and one reportedly has been interested for awhile..just get ready

I'm talking about this whole "Spurs way" thing and the "Pop is a genius" myth has to be, if not vanishing, at least muted among players.

I wouldn't be surprised if they have a meeting, but Paull will more than likely only do it out of respect for them. It's not quite the no shot Durant was, but it's not far off.

Spurs are a mess too, only with less drama, at least publicly.

[coachmac87]

Not when you already play with Griffin (rumors of his demise are just that at this point; the reality is, until further notice, AKA him being healthy for an extended stretch, he's no worse than a top 15 player) and Jordan, can make $40-50M more by staying with your incumbent team and are in LA.

Cap space is nice, but Paul is in win now mode. They'd need a core of high quality, in their prime types to sell him on, first and foremost.




I'm talking about this whole "Spurs way" thing and the "Pop is a genius" myth has to be, if not vanishing, at least muted among players.

I wouldn't be surprised if they have a meeting, but Paull will more than likely only do it out of respect for them. It's not quite the no shot Durant was, but it's not far off.

Spurs are a mess too, only with less drama, at least publicly.


Ok so you think he's staying in LA? Clippers are about to pay both Griffin and Paul and run it back 4 more times??

[TheDoctor]

The Spurs gonna need more than Kawhi and Pop to lure CP3. LMA is no longer an attractive/interesting piece.

[TD 21]

Ok so you think he's staying in LA? Clippers are about to pay both Griffin and Paul and run it back 4 more times??

I do, because all parties involved can't do better. Spurs and Clippers situations are similar enough, that the extra $40-50M and the city of L.A. more than likely wins the day.

[coachmac87]

I do, because all parties involved can't do better. Spurs and Clippers situations are similar enough, that the extra $40-50M and the city of L.A. more than likely wins the day.

Hmm maybe I'm wrong but I just don't think he's staying in LA. Too much going on with Doc, Griffin, Reddick, etc. it's been a broken record for years..Griffin isn't going to get better and Paul can't continue to be the #1 guy on a "championship" team. Durant changed everything tbh

I think he wants out..there's chatter that the relationships on the team have become sour..You can see it with the frustration they took out with the press (Paul, Rivers).

[sasaint]

The Spurs gonna need more than Kawhi and Pop to lure CP3. LMA is no longer an attractive/interesting piece.

To CP3 Deadman would be a more interesting piece, but he is on his way out the door. Paul would transform him into a reasonable facsimile of DJordan - one who could shoot free throws. I am not really on the CP3 train, but that's how I see it.

[sasaint]

I do, because all parties involved can't do better. Spurs and Clippers situations are similar enough, that the extra $40-50M and the city of L.A. more than likely wins the day.

This.

[SpursFan86]

I do, because all parties involved can't do better. Spurs and Clippers situations are similar enough, that the extra $40-50M and the city of L.A. more than likely wins the day.

Yeah, SA is in danger of having their 3rd straight playoff disappointment and it's not like we're filled with young, promising talent. Who on this team (outside of Kawhi, obviously) is really going to lure in someone like CP3?

If we were asking this question after the 2014 season, maybe I'd toy with the idea of CP3 leaving money on the table to come here. As of now? Not a chance in hell...and that's ignoring the fact that it'd be difficult as hell for us to even make room for him in the first place.

[ducks]

The curse for starting this thread when tp was doing fine and spurs are still in playoffs

[HarlemHeat37]

The curse for starting this thread when tp was doing fine and spurs are still in playoffs

Is it karma against Pop for talking badly about Trump, tbh?

[ducks]

No karma would be spurs being invited to whitehouse after title

[spurtech09]

CP3 looking pretty good right about now...:(

[hater]

Buy out Parker and get CP3

Shit buyout Lamarcus if needed

[gambit1990]

the chances of this happening have gone up.

[hater]

CP3, Demounte
Green, Mills
Kawhi, Simmons
Marsha, Lee
Gasol, Deadman

:tu

do it RC

[TampaDude]

No karma would be spurs being invited to whitehouse after title

OMFG that would be hilarious! :lol

[in2deep]

would be what the doctor ordered

[in2deep]

I am pretty sure Pop and CP3 are good friends. maybe Pop can give him a call this summer.

Kawhi and CP3 would make the most deadly duo in the NBA

yes even deadlier than Lebron/Kyrie

[coachmac87]

I think this has to be Plan A...with so many possible moving parts and now a sudden 6-12 month injury to Parker this team could be on the verge of rebuilding if they don't try to make a splash

It's getting talked about a lot in the Media as well..It was brought up on FS1 and First Take this morning...

[Seventyniner]

If Parker ends up being ruled out for all of next season, the Spurs would have an incentive to salary dump him and get all that space rather than a disabled player exception for half that amount. Paul/Murray is easily a good enough PG rotation to be a contender.

Not sure how I feel about a Paul for LMA sign-and-trade. It allows the Spurs to operate over the cap, which is useful in keeping Dedmon, but leaves basically nothing at PF.

[in2deep]

Kawhi needs help. Even Jordan had Pippen. Spurs office #1 priority should be to get Kawhi a sidekick. If they fail Kawhi should go somewhere else.

[cjw]

If Parker ends up being ruled out for all of next season, the Spurs would have an incentive to salary dump him and get all that space rather than a disabled player exception for half that amount. Paul/Murray is easily a good enough PG rotation to be a contender.

Not sure how I feel about a Paul for LMA sign-and-trade. It allows the Spurs to operate over the cap, which is useful in keeping Dedmon, but leaves basically nothing at PF.

Useful in keeping Dedmon up to the MLE.

On the DPE, also needs to be noted that the contract can only be for one year. Severely limits who will be willing to sign (though could keep Parker and remain above cap, and trade for a player making $7mm or less for one year)

[Chillen]

All of a sudden this becomes a must sign! I don't see him leaving LA though.

[dabom]

We win 2 'chips back to back.

[HarlemHeat37]

As great as CP3 is, do we really want to play him vs. the Warriors, tbh?:lol They don't even take him seriously..

[szkorhetz]

I am pretty sure Pop and CP3 are good friends. maybe Pop can give him a call this summer.

Kawhi and CP3 would make the most deadly duo in the NBA

yes even deadlier than Lebron/Kyrie
Curry/Durant, TBH.

[gambit1990]

maybe cp3 won't care about the extra money after he gets the hookup at heb and a sweet deal at a local car dealership :lol

[hater]

Curry/Durant, TBH.

They play no D.

Kawhi and cp3 are the best defense at their positions

Plus Donkey is actually having a better playoffs than both curry/durant

[cd98]

Yawn. CP3 is taking his money and convincing the Clippers to trade for Melo so they can have a different team, but get the same results.

[gambit1990]

We win 2 'chips back to back.

[coachmac87]

Yawn. CP3 is taking his money and convincing the Clippers to trade for Melo so they can have a different team, but get the same results.

What are they trading for Melo??

[Russ]

CP3 is on the decline (and never won big in his prime).

If some of you critics think TP is a ball hog, wait till you experience CP3.

TP is a popular and pleasant presence on the Spurs. CP3 is sullen and morose -- not ideal for a PG.

CP3 looks like an expensive bad fit to me.

[daslicer]

CP3 is on the decline (and never won big in his prime).

If some of you critics think TP is a ball hog, wait till you experience CP3.

TP is a popular and pleasant presence on the Spurs. CP3 is sullen and morose -- not ideal for a PG.

CP3 looks like an expensive bad fit to me.

Pretty much this look at how Blake and Deandre hate playing with Chris despite Chris being a great play maker. To me that speaks volumes about Chris' personality. He's talented but very toxic.

[spurtech09]

I am pretty sure Pop and CP3 are good friends. maybe Pop can give him a call this summer.

Kawhi and CP3 would make the most deadly duo in the NBA

yes even deadlier than Lebron/KyrieMake it happen pop...Trade LMA also.....

[sasaint]

If Parker ends up being ruled out for all of next season, the Spurs would have an incentive to salary dump him and get all that space rather than a disabled player exception for half that amount. Paul/Murray is easily a good enough PG rotation to be a contender.

Not sure how I feel about a Paul for LMA sign-and-trade. It allows the Spurs to operate over the cap, which is useful in keeping Dedmon, but leaves basically nothing at PF.

It doesn't seem like PATFO are interested in keeping Deadman.

[sasaint]

CP3 is on the decline (and never won big in his prime).

If some of you critics think TP is a ball hog, wait till you experience CP3.

TP is a popular and pleasant presence on the Spurs. CP3 is sullen and morose -- not ideal for a PG.

CP3 looks like an expensive bad fit to me.

Like another big name the Spurs signed in the recent past...

[BillMc]

Like another big name the Spurs signed in the recent past...
Leave Becky out of this!:lol

[sasaint]

Leave Becky out of this!:lol

Better signee than the one I was talking about! :toast

[gambit1990]

cp3 makes kawhi, la, the spurs better.

[ducks]

cp3 makes kawhi, la, the spurs better.
If people think tp is overplayed cp3 will be in year 2 of his deal

[daslicer]

Don't want him. He's in his 30's and injury prone. Just a bad combination.

[gambit1990]

If people think tp is overplayed cp3 will be in year 2 of his deal

Don't want him. He's in his 30's and injury prone. Just a bad combination.
http://i.imgur.com/RammZ7a.jpg

"but i'm a parker fan so i'm right :cry" get the fuck over yourselves.

[ducks]

Your a Parker hater get over self
Tp started decline after 30 Chris will to

[gambit1990]

Your a Parker hater get over self
Tp started decline after 30 Chris will to
cp3 put up historic numbers his past two playoffs.

you are probably old, won't waste my time.

[ducks]

cp3 put up historic numbers his past two playoffs.

you are probably old, won't waste my time.
You hated a prime tp
What has cp3 won

[gambit1990]

You hated a prime tp
making shit up outta NOWHERE !

https://68.media.tumblr.com/c29d0f1bd3cf96e28837fbff47a8711f/tumblr_inline_om28mdhbjl1skd036_500.gif

[daslicer]

http://i.imgur.com/RammZ7a.jpg

"but i'm a parker fan so i'm right :cry" get the fuck over yourselves.

First off I have been a Spurs fans since '94 way before Parker and Manu. If you read some of my previous posts I'm not a fan of either Parker or Manu. As a spurs fan I appreciate both for what they brought the Spurs which I mentioned in many threads before. I have actually said in several threads after Parker got that injury that his career was over. :lol So I don't know what hell you are implying by saying get over yourself but then again you are the same clown who in another thread thought I actually said the Spurs could have gotten Lebron in 2014. You have a tendency to jump to conclusions.

Ultimately I would like to see the Spurs develop a young PG that can play for years to come much like they did with Parker back in the day. Dejounte could possibly be that guy or they can find somebody else through the draft, trade, FA, etc. It's funny that you put up CP3's career playoff stats since I have never disputed CP3's greatness. CP3 is a great player but he's old and PG's historically after the age 32 drop off the cliff. On top of that he's injury prone and that's only going to get worse every year from this point forward. He's also a toxic teammate despite being a great player. Guys who play with him hate his constant yelling and berating which causes chemistry problems. It speaks volumes to me that Deandre and Blake hate playing with him. In a nutshell I'm not interested in a PG whose at the tail end of his prime that is injury prone and is going to take up a huge chunk of cap space with his contract. If CP3 was 26-28 I would not be against giving him a 4-5 year max deal but at this point of time he's not worth a long term investment. The PG position is a young man's position and CP3 is not young anymore when it comes to basketball.

[gambit1990]

He's also a toxic teammate despite being a great player.
so cp3 slept with one of his teammate's wife?



Guys who play with him hate his constant yelling and berating which causes chemistry problems. It speaks volumes to me that Deandre and Blake hate playing with him.

fuck off acting like you know how his teammates feel.

[daslicer]

so cp3 slept with one of his teammate's wife?



fuck off acting like you know how his teammates feel.

:lol Proving again you are a clown.

[gambit1990]

:lol Proving again you are a clown.
you making unsubstantiated claims makes me a clown. keep showing everyone how stupid you are.

[daslicer]

you making unsubstantiated claims makes me a clown. keep showing everyone how stupid you are.

:lol Quick response by the clown. Keep clowning it up.

[gambit1990]

:lol Quick response by the clown. Keep clowning it up.

He's also a toxic teammate despite being a great player.

so cp3 slept with one of his teammate's wife?
the only person you're clowning is yourself.

[gambit1990]

daslicer is a fucking joke.

>makes unsubstantiated claims
>acts like they're true just because he said them :lmao

[daslicer]

daslicer is a fucking joke.

>makes unsubstantiated claims
>acts like they're true just because he said them :lmao

:lol You pretty much described your self. Lets go by your clown logic. Lets say Tony Parker is a toxic teammate. Going by your logic you want the spurs to replace a ball dominant toxic PG who is above the age of 30 with another ball dominant toxic PG above the age of 30. Not only replacing him but giving him a contract that's twice as high as Parker's current albatross contract. That's clown logic right there proving again you are a clown.

[gambit1990]

Lets go by your clown logic. Lets say Tony Parker is a toxic teammate.
i never said tp was toxic. you said cp3 was toxic.

[gambit1990]

daslicer is apparently as stupid as it gets.

[daslicer]

daslicer is apparently as stupid as it gets.

:lol Again stop describing yourself. It's laughable you tried to be clever with "so cp3 slept with one of his teammate's wife?" line. We all know you were taking a shot at Parker. I give you credit you are relentless when it comes to clowning it up in here. You are a great clown.

[gambit1990]

daslicer making things up outta thin air:

He's also a toxic teammate despite being a great player.

Guys who play with him hate his constant yelling and berating which causes chemistry problems. It speaks volumes to me that Deandre and Blake hate playing with him.

[daslicer]

daslicer making things up outta thin air:

:lol Good job again clown in describing yourself. Just like you making up random stuff about how Conley was considering signing with Spurs if it wasn't for Parker. You base this off of your made up sources. Yes Chris is toxic and I stand by that. Deandre did hate playing with him and nearly bolted for Dallas. It took Blake and Doc Rivers begging him to comeback to LA at the last minute to get him to stop from signing with the Mavs. http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-deandre-jordan-grew-tired-of-chris-pauls-constant-barking/

Here is Glen Davis' view on playing with CP3. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2016/06/10/glen-davis-chris-paul-blake-griffin-la-clippers/85694160/#

[ducks]

Players wife was willing to get slepted with husband teammate

Takes two in bed

[gambit1990]

Just like you making up random stuff about how Conley was considering signing with Spurs if it wasn't for Parker. You base this off of your made up sources.
dead wrong :lmao


Report: Tony Parker has Mike Conley worried about joining Spurs
http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/report-tony-parker-has-mike-conley-worried-about-joining-spurs

[TheGreatYacht]

How sad is this 30yr old Xmen fan's life? :lol thinking about Parker on a Saturday night lmfao

[ducks]

Pop does not promise who starts
Mike afraid of tp great play

[ElNono]

parker hurt not mike

[ducks]

Parker winning Mike not

[gambit1990]

TheGreatYacht thinking i give a shit about xmen or comics :lmao

gambit was a word before it was a name you stupid POS :lol

[Silver&Black]

How sad is this 30yr old Xmen fan's life? :lol thinking about Parker on a Saturday night lmfaoAnd he wonders why my nigga benefactor is banging his ole lady.

[TheGreatYacht]

And he wonders why my nigga benefactor (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13284) is banging his ole lady.
:lol

But he doesn't like comics! The gambit comic avi was only a coincidence.... lmfao the new naruto tbh

[pgardn]

Players wife was willing to get slepted with husband teammate

Takes two in bed

What?

Good God...

[$pursDynasty]

Tim Duncan talks CP3 into ring chasing, he signs a two year deal for 6.1 million per. Six for the Spur's 6th title, the one for his first (unless we ring this year, then it will bend for 7.1 per). MVParker comes back round Christmas time, and titles in sue or continue.

[Yuixafun]

Titles ensue...

[SpursIndonesia]

Things Spurs have that Clippers don't...

1. Championship Culture
2. Family Culture
3. Prime Franchise Player
4. Most Player Respected Coach

I don't think LMA HAS to be part of the team going forward. But if they can make it work so be it..But CP3 won't be back in Clipper land next year. The rumors are already swirling and the media won't shut up about it like they couldn't with KD..something's there. Woj started this whole thing tbh so that's what gets me thinking. But if your're Paul and looking for title and the Spurs came calling he'd be an idiot not to listen...

People just wanna brush it off like KD situation tho..when Paul has the keys in which direction the league is gonna go tbh and he better capitalize on it.

Or everybody can just cave in and take their $$ and watch GSW win at least 3 straight championships..

Yeah, that shit is so damn disheartening, i mean like tonight against the Jazz, both Klaynus & Wardell didn't have a particularly good night by their standard, yet GSW can still win comfortably ON THE ROAD out of Durant & Green outstanding game, while their bench was not being much of a factor too. Even if that team will lose their current bench next summer, they can easily rebuild it through drafting & free agency to complement their big 4 all stars.

[spurraider21]

i never said tp was toxic.
:lol

[Ice009]

so cp3 slept with one of his teammate's wife?



fuck off acting like you know how his teammates feel.

As far as I know TP did not sleep with Brent's wife. Do you have any proof that he did? or has it been mentioned somewhere as fact?

[BillMc]

As far as I know TP did not sleep with Brent's wife. Do you have any proof that he did? or has it been mentioned somewhere as fact?

This is true. They texted flirty or sexual messages back and forth. Whether it ever went beyond flirtation is pure speculation. (though both couples did get divorced soon after. Of course, that might mean they had failing relationships and the flirtations/affairs were a symptom of those marriages coming to an end, rather than a cause. Who knows? I don't.)

[SupremeGuy]

TheGreatYacht thinking i give a shit about xmen or comics :lmao

gambit was a word before it was a name you stupid POS :lol:lol

[coachmac87]

Wheels officially in motion tbh...

[illusioNtEk]

Let's bring Melo and CP3 tbh

[Stabula]

He'll go to Golden State, Curry off the bench.

[raybies]

im drinking the kool aid. just what the team is missing and just what Paul is missing. Basketball wise it makes sense. Paul is best as second option and he's playing the first and Aldridge is best as third and is playing second. it's the perfect plan.

Vote Paul 2017

[ace3g]

I think if Pop still wants to go with the 2 big lineup, one of them needs to be mobile. Can't have 4 cement shoes out there.

[raybies]

I think if Pop still wants to go with the 2 big lineup, one of them needs to be mobile. Can't have 4 cement shoes out there.
yeah no doubt. we'd need a nice pick and roll big to go with CP3 if we got him. Someone like Bam Adebayo or Jordan Bell.

[SAGirl]

Well in reality to get CP3, they will need to trade Pau out and do something about Tony... so I would think the 2 immobile bigs are a no go. One hopes.
I consider CP3 a long shot anyways, he would leave too much money and he has too much love for the LA lifestyle and endorsements. Family probably weighs in too.
I am still in the Murray train, but not opposed to some shake ups.

[raybies]

Well in reality to get CP3, they will need to trade Pau out and do something about Tony... so I would think the 2 immobile bigs are a no go. One hopes.
I consider CP3 a long shot anyways, he would leave too much money and he has too much love for the LA lifestyle and endorsements. Family probably weighs in too.
I am still in the Murray train, but not opposed to some shake ups.

Doc is gonna throw every penny at Blake and CP3. I think it comes down to if Blake leaves. I think that opens the door for him to consider his options and at this stage of his career winning a title should be at the top of the list imo. That would put us at the top of the list me thinks. I think it really depends on if they can keep it together. We are on the door knocking. We'll be a contender without him but with him it could really put us over the top.

[objective]

Well in reality to get CP3, they will need to trade Pau out and do something about Tony... so I would think the 2 immobile bigs are a no go. One hopes.
I consider CP3 a long shot anyways, he would leave too much money and he has too much love for the LA lifestyle and endorsements. Family probably weighs in too.
I am still in the Murray train, but not opposed to some shake ups.

True, in order to get anybody at all, Pau needs to be dumped and Parker stretched.

Until very recently I wasn't too hot on getting Paul or Hill et al and preferred to see them wait until next summer when Aldridge and Green had options to get off the books too. And it made sense considering the age of guys like Paul and Hill.

But once I really looked at how crappy next year's free agent class was ...

The time to act is now. Golden State isn't going anywhere for the next 5 years if not more, and that's all of Kawhi's prime. The talent around him has to get better NOW to have any shot.

I doubt Paul would take a starting salary low enough to keep Dedmon, maybe 24-26 million, but if he will they have to get him.

I have grown to believe in Murray as much as the next guy, but the talent in this free agent class that's gettable is all at point guard.

[raybies]

True, in order to get anybody at all, Pau needs to be dumped and Parker stretched.

Until very recently I wasn't too hot on getting Paul or Hill et al and preferred to see them wait until next summer when Aldridge and Green had options to get off the books too. And it made sense considering the age of guys like Paul and Hill.

But once I really looked at how crappy next year's free agent class was ...

The time to act is now. Golden State isn't going anywhere for the next 5 years if not more, and that's all of Kawhi's prime. The talent around him has to get better NOW to have any shot.

I doubt Paul would take a starting salary low enough to keep Dedmon, maybe 24-26 million, but if he will they have to get him.

I have grown to believe in Murray as much as the next guy, but the talent in this free agent class that's gettable is all at point guard.

thought the same thing. 2018 free agent class is poor. Than what you over pay for a mediocre talent. It's not worth it.

[TheGreatYacht]

How come dumping D League Green isn't apart of all these salary dump scenarios? That washed faggot isn't untouchable

[TD 21]

True, in order to get anybody at all, Pau needs to be dumped and Parker stretched.

Until very recently I wasn't too hot on getting Paul or Hill et al and preferred to see them wait until next summer when Aldridge and Green had options to get off the books too. And it made sense considering the age of guys like Paul and Hill.

But once I really looked at how crappy next year's free agent class was ...

The time to act is now. Golden State isn't going anywhere for the next 5 years if not more, and that's all of Kawhi's prime. The talent around him has to get better NOW to have any shot.

I doubt Paul would take a starting salary low enough to keep Dedmon, maybe 24-26 million, but if he will they have to get him.

I have grown to believe in Murray as much as the next guy, but the talent in this free agent class that's gettable is all at point guard.

Exactly.

So many want to concede to the Warriors, but they're probably not going anywhere anytime soon, so trying to peak again in a few years doesn't make much sense and neither does waiting on Murray. He's extremely raw and though intriguing, he's not some can't miss prospect.

If they have any chance to get Paul, they should just go all in. The notion of waiting on future free agents is flawed considering this is not a prime destination and it's extremely difficult to get top players.

Yeah, they'll be diminishing returns on the back half of his contract, but it'll be worth it to have a punchers chance and if everything breaks right, possibly win one more. Besides, as of right now, they're stuck with Gasol and Parker at big money for another year and likely Mills on a fresh long term contract, so I'd rather just pay Paul a few million less annually than their combined salaries.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Fuck Melo. Just get Clutch Paul, please

[raybies]

^^ good point when you put it like that. Trading Paul for Gasol, Parker, and Mills...

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Doc is gonna throw every penny at Blake and CP3. I think it comes down to if Blake leaves. I think that opens the door for him to consider his options and at this stage of his career winning a title should be at the top of the list imo. That would put us at the top of the list me thinks. I think it really depends on if they can keep it together. We are on the door knocking. We'll be a contender without him but with him it could really put us over the top.

If Blake leaves, CP3 leaves, what are the Clippers left with?

[objective]

How come dumping D League Green isn't apart of all these salary dump scenarios? That washed faggot isn't untouchable

I usually don't count him in my cap space scenarios because the way the league is going teams need as many 6-4 to 6-8 switchable wings as possible to go small with. Manu is just about done and I'd be surprised if he's back.

That leaves you with Kawhi and hopefully a matched Simmons and hopefully Hanga. Add Green to that and you really have something.

At only $10 million, he's cheap enough to justify keeping.

[raybies]

If Blake leaves, CP3 leaves, what are the Clippers left with?
DeAndre lol
and Austin

[objective]

thought the same thing. 2018 free agent class is poor. Than what you over pay for a mediocre talent. It's not worth it.

Not only will the free agent class be weak, but the Spurs finances get worse than people think. If they stand pat and keep Mills, his crappy number will be on the books, and as he ages will be a waste. If Simmons is kept, he'll be a big number, and the cap holds for Aldridge and Green will add what, another 10-15 million on the books?

Add in Bertans as a restricted ...

It's a recipe to waste Kawhi's best years

[objective]

If Blake leaves, CP3 leaves, what are the Clippers left with?

Austin, that's enough for Doc.

[SAGirl]

Yeah, they'll be diminishing returns on the back half of his contract, but it'll be worth it to have a punchers chance and if everything breaks right, possibly win one more. Besides, as of right now, they're stuck with Gasol and Parker at big money for another year and likely Mills on a fresh long term contract, so I'd rather just pay Paul a few million less annually than their combined salaries.
I'd rather pay Paul too in that scenario of your last paragraph.

Gasol was a bust signing, basically a name.
Tony is injured... might be a shade of himself if he doesn't retire. Manu is likely retiring etc. Mills has peaked. He is of very little value with the ball as this series have shown.

We shall see. I would welcome the move. I wanted them to infuse more talent to this group... them getting to the WCF and a 60 win season and now being plagued by injuries convinced me they were standing pat this offseason but I think Manu retiring and Tony getting injured maybe will force Pops hand. Gasol being nearly unplayable is also problematic for them. Lee outplay him against the Grizz, JSimms outplayed him against Houston and at this stage Pop preferred to start Anderson last game bc he has seen enough. Difficult to predict but one can easily aee how standing pat can make them worse than last season except for some youngsters developing which is unpredictable.

[raybies]

Not only will the free agent class be weak, but the Spurs finances get worse than people think. If they stand pat and keep Mills, his crappy number will be on the books, and as he ages will be a waste. If Simmons is kept, he'll be a big number, and the cap holds for Aldridge and Green will add what, another 10-15 million on the books?

Add in Bertans as a restricted ...

It's a recipe to waste Kawhi's best years
Great foresight. I'm sure Patfo has regonized this. We might go at Paul and Lowry afterall and to a lesser extent Hill. I think Parker's injury expedited the process. I doubt Pop wants to put the team's title chances on the shoulders of a 21 year old or Patty.

[coachmac87]

^^ good point when you put it like that. Trading Paul for Gasol, Parker, and Mills...

If Spurs can do this and retain Simmons and Dedmon opt in with the hope Paul can maximize his talent and get him paid the following offseason..

Wishful thinking but you never know lol

[SAGirl]

Not only will the free agent class be weak, but the Spurs finances get worse than people think. If they stand pat and keep Mills, his crappy number will be on the books, and as he ages will be a waste. If Simmons is kept, he'll be a big number, and the cap holds for Aldridge and Green will add what, another 10-15 million on the books?

Add in Bertans as a restricted ...

It's a recipe to waste Kawhi's best years
Good points. I really hadn't looked that far ahead to 2018

[objective]

Spurs team forecast

Paul+Murray- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mills+Murray+rehabbing Parker+Gasol

Hill+Murray >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mills+Murray+rehabbing Parker+Gasol

Lowry+Murray >>>>>>>>>>> Mills+Murray+rehabbing Parker+Gasol

Jrue Holiday+Murray >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mills+Murray+rehabbing Parker+Gasol

Giving that last option to Gasol is Spurs short sightedness, like giving an option to old washed up Michael Finley. If that's what it takes to get a deal done, walk away.

[raybies]

Spurs team forecast

Paul+Murray- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mills+Murray+rehabbing Parker+Gasol

Hill+Murray >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mills+Murray+rehabbing Parker+Gasol

Lowry+Murray >>>>>>>>>>> Mills+Murray+rehabbing Parker+Gasol

Jrue Holiday+Murray >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mills+Murray+rehabbing Parker+Gasol

Giving that last option to Gasol is Spurs short sightedness, like giving an option to old washed up Michael Finley. If that's what it takes to get a deal done, walk away.
Forgot about Jrue. That might be a good pickup. He's still relatively young.

Guestimations for salary on these?

[objective]

Forgot about Jrue. That might be a good pickup. He's still relatively young.

Guestimations for salary on these?

Over 20 for all of them, maybe 25 at the cheapest.

Jrue might be the best hope.

He turns 27 in June, the perfect age to be with Kawhi. Great size and length, no nightmares over needing to hide him somewhere like Parker and Mills.

And family and off court issues are what seem to be most important to him. Spurs still have Monty Williams, and they were said to be close, so the whole 'Spurs Culture' might be the difference here.

I don't even worry too much about his injury history, I chalk a lot up to the medical team in New Orleans not being up to par and shared with the Saints. Look at Gordon and Ryan Anderson, as soon as they leave, they're healthy all year.

[TheGreatYacht]

Jrue Holiday and George Hill, The E.R bros, are not the key to putting us over the top. Didn't you dudes learn from maxing out Aldridge that only superstars deserve that money?

If it ain't CP3, it ain't worth it.

[phxspurfan]

This is totally happening

[Ice009]

I wasn't on board at all, but now I am on board for getting Chris Paul.

[MaNu4Tres]

Over 20 for all of them, maybe 25 at the cheapest.

Jrue might be the best hope.

He turns 27 in June, the perfect age to be with Kawhi. Great size and length, no nightmares over needing to hide him somewhere like Parker and Mills.

And family and off court issues are what seem to be most important to him. Spurs still have Monty Williams, and they were said to be close, so the whole 'Spurs Culture' might be the difference here.

I don't even worry too much about his injury history, I chalk a lot up to the medical team in New Orleans not being up to par and shared with the Saints. Look at Gordon and Ryan Anderson, as soon as they leave, they're healthy all year.

Id rather pay Jrue 20+ Mil than pay Patty 12-15 tbh..

I love Jrues age so much more than CP3s' too. Gives the Spurs a bigger, longer window than CP3 imo.

Im for Jrue. Then have DeJounte, Simmons, Hanga backcourt off bench. ..

Draft Jordan Bell.

Me likey.

[Ice009]

I'd definitely be interested in Jrue over CP3 due to age too, but doesn't he have a bad injury history. That's the main thing stopping me from wanting to go after him.

[DaBears]

I am not familiar enough with CP3, but does he have any connections in or around the SPURS, that would influence him to come here? In LMA case he had family, school, and grew up in Dallas.

[UZER]

And pop will over rest Paul throughout the season, only to increase his minutes load in the playoffs, and he will blow out a knee since he has not conditioned his body for that load all season.

[$pursDynasty]

I am not familiar enough with CP3, but does he have any connections in or around the SPURS, that would influence him to come here? In LMA case he had family, school, and grew up in Dallas.
well Timmay was the greatest player ever to play at Wake Forrest and Chris Paul might be the 2nd best, they have always been close. Hopefully close enough to make CP3 do the "David West" and chase a ring here while simultaneously sticking it to the Warriors.

[DaBears]

well Timmay was the greatest player ever to play at Wake Forrest and Chris Paul might be the 2nd best, they have always been close. Hopefully close enough to make CP3 do the "David West" and chase a ring here while simultaneously sticking it to the Warriors.

Amen to that.. Timmy retired still able to make things happen ) Make the call Timmy, I'll even pay for the phone call...

[cd98]

I am not familiar enough with CP3, but does he have any connections in or around the SPURS, that would influence him to come here? In LMA case he had family, school, and grew up in Dallas.

Tony and CP3 are best friends, but who cares about friends for an extra 50 million.

[TheGreatYacht]

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He's also close friends with TP and has a ton of respect for Pop (fellow liberal)

Will he give up the Clippers and commercial money for a chance at a ring? We'll see

[DaBears]

50 mil is hard to pass up..

[coachmac87]

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He's also close friends with TP and has a ton of respect for Pop (fellow liberal)

Will he give up the Clippers and commercial money for a chance at a ring? We'll see


Commercial money??? HEB backing up the Brink truck

[Mal]

If Paul wants to ring as actual contributor, Spurs are his only option. Of cource he can join monstars at age 39 or so, and get it like that.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

CP3 wants to win. He's always been a competitor. The Warriors are probably trying to figure out how to sign him as we speak.