Tony Parker is better than Chris Paul

[JohnnyMax]

I got posts from past few weeks saying Parker is better.

http://i.imgur.com/E8ppfi0.jpg

Parker is the better player.

Paul only started dominating this matchup after Parker's decline.

[dabom]

What Off-the-ball things does porker provide? :lmao

[Snaq O'Meal]

What Off-the-ball things does porker provide? :lmao

Plenty!

Just ask him teammates' wives. ;)

[dabom]

Plenty!

Just ask him teammates' wives. ;)

:lol

[SASdynasty!]

Finally a non-vanilla mainstream take.

[Chris]

Boiled down...



Tony Parker: 4 (probably 5)

TOSB Chris Paul: squadoosh

[james evans]

Boiled down...



Tony Parker: 4 (probably 5)

TOSB Chris Paul: squadoosh
well, by those standards, he's better than stockton too

[SASdynasty!]

well, by those standards, he's better than stockton too
Agreed...Stockton made a career out of entry passes to Malone and hit one clutch shot in the playoffs. Missed a bunch of others tbh.

[cd98]

Agreed...Stockton made a career out of entry passes to Malone and hit one clutch shot in the playoffs. Missed a bunch of others tbh.

Not even close. Stockton was a great player, though I hated him as a Spur fan. Parker has been as good or better than Paul in some seasons, but overall I'd take Paul.

[ducks]

Clippers are 1st NBA team ever to blow a playoffs series lead in 5 straight years

[ducks]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/4/30/15495160/clippers-curse-nba-playoffs-blown-lead?yptr=yahoo

[Chillen]

CP3 is a great PG that has had injurys and teams he played for just sucking but Parker has the rings.

[Chillen]

Clippers are 1st NBA team ever to blow a playoffs series lead in 5 straight years

Wow, that is laughable even worse it's painful to think the Spurs actually lost to them in the 1st round of the 2015 playoffs. For some reason they decided to play like champions that series.

[BillMc]

Wow, that is laughable even worse it's painful to think the Spurs actually lost to them in the 1st round of the 2015 playoffs. For some reason they decided to play like champions that series.

Tony and Tiago were hurt and Kawhi was going through some growing pains as team's primary option. Even so, the greatness of Duncan almost won that series.

[TheDoctor]

Wow, that is laughable even worse it's painful to think the Spurs actually lost to them in the 1st round of the 2015 playoffs. For some reason they decided to play like champions that series.

True, that was their Championship. They literally let go after being 3-1 vs HOU.

[TheDoctor]

Tony and Tiago were hurt and Kawhi was going through some growing pains as team's primary option. Even so, the greatness of Duncan almost won that series.

Plus CP3 making some very improbable shots. The buzzer beater at the end of the half (I think it was the half) and the last shot that was only inches away from being blocked by TD.

[dabom]

Scorers table too. Lots of bull tbh.

[BillMc]

Plus CP3 making some very improbable shots. The buzzer beater at the end of the half (I think it was the half) and the last shot that was only inches away from being blocked by TD.

True. He misses one or both of those shot 7 out of 10 times, I'd guess. But that's the nature of sports.

[TheGreatYacht]

Did Manu's wife and Patty's girlfriend ever abort Austin Rivers' sons or did they go through with it? 2015 was his year...

[TheDoctor]

Did Manu's wife and Patty's girlfriend ever abort Austin Rivers' sons or did they go through with it? 2015 was his year...

Patty's GF had triplets as far as I know.

[TheGreatYacht]

Patty's GF had triplets as far as I know.
Congrats dabom

[jag]

Boiled down...



Tony Parker: 4 (probably 5)

TOSB Chris Paul: squadoosh



(probably 5)

https://bigtonysfantasyleague.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/stephen-a-smith-doesnt-believe-you-face.jpg

[Chris]

https://bigtonysfantasyleague.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/stephen-a-smith-doesnt-believe-you-face.jpg

https://m.popkey.co/e4b3a9/bgza9.gif

[dabom]

Patty's GF had triplets as far as I know.


Congrats dabom (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=47543)

Patty shoots nothing but 3's I see.

[dbreiden83080]

I must have missed CP3's greatness. To me he was/is a very good PG that got a lot of TV commercials. But one of the great all time PG's.. Nah..

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

CP3 has never gotten to the Finals, so we really can't answer the question. In my book it's 4-0, with a Finals MVP in Parker's trophy case.


Is Chris Paul better in the regular season that the current Tony Parker...probably, but I'll take a winner over stat-sheet.

[cd98]

Believe me, if CP3 played with prime Duncan and Manu, he would've won some titles.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Believe me, if CP3 played with prime Duncan and Manu, he would've won some titles.

Probably, but he's had some decent teams himself.

[james evans]

Agreed...Stockton made a career out of entry passes to Malone and hit one clutch shot in the playoffs. Missed a bunch of others tbh.
you are a goddamn fool

[gambit1990]

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[gambit1990]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/l3E6uhDAN3W7vylji/giphy.gif

[james evans]

I can't believe people actually thought Tony parker was better than Chris Paul. Even if I thought that, I wouldn't tell anyone!!

[james evans]

Probably, but he's had some decent teams himself.
Probably???? So you're saying Duncan could win with Johnson and parker at the point, but would be ringless with Paul as his pg?

[exstatic]

My lasting vision of CP3 will be him running off the floor crying after we beat the Hornets in Game 7 on their floor. He has gobs of talent, but lacks heart and balls.

[R. DeMurre]

I'll always remember when Paul got hurt in that playoff series against Golden State-- I turned to my roommate at the time and said, Are you surprised that Chris Paul got hurt during the playoffs? Without taking his eyes off the screen, he said nnnnnnnNOPE.


CP is a great PG, but his history of beefs with teammates due to his abrasive personality are definitely negatives-- Harden, Rondo, Blake Griffin, Glen Davis, Ryan Hollins... it's a pretty long list of guys who've come out and said point blank that CP is a terrible teammate.

His history also brings up another interesting question: can you win a championship with a 6'0" PG? It's certainly not impossible, but I'd say it's very very difficult.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Probably???? So you're saying Duncan could win with Johnson and parker at the point, but would be ringless with Paul as his pg?

Yeah, we don't know. I'd say he "probably" rings with Duncan.

Chris Paul had chemistry issues at times in his career. Phoenix is working because of all of their youth. They needed this vocal, dominant leader. But it wasn't always a smooth relationship with teammates for CP.

Duncan was the ultimate teammate, so I'm sure things would have been fine, but there are no guarantees. Chris Paul has had some pretty good teams over the years.

[spurraider21]

Paul is obviously a greater player than TP. But peak parker, mvparker, would routinely outplay CP3 in those years. From ~2012 through early 2014

[John B]

Dude, CP3 put OKC to top 4th seed, and again doing it with the Suns. I love Tony and he's one of my top 10 PG, sheer fearlessness with him leading the field goal% at his size, speed is a blur, teardrop was deadly. But CP3 is on another level, and unfortunately he will be another Stockton/Malone, Barkeley, Ewing who will be "almost" there, but "not" because they didn't have a ring, just imo.

[KobesAchilles]

Overall player I would take Paul over Parker but Parker in 2013 was better than any year Paul has had. The dude dominated that year. Chris Paul would've fit right in with Duncan but his stats would've suffered playing for Pop. I also doubt he becomes the media darling that he was if he played for us. He would probably have gotten snubbed from some all star games just as Parker and Gino were. Somehow the freaking Utah Jazz can get 3 all stars this year but the Spurs never did. Boggles the mind.

A question though is does he still get his knee injury playing for us? Bc he was an athletic beast for a small guy before the injury and then had to learn all these tricks to the trade after he lost some of it.

[John B]

I would always pick TP and Manu to play with Timmy. Who knows the kind of ego that CP3 would've brought and broke the team? Because at the end of the day, it's not all the athletic skills, but would they fit together? And TP and Manu were perfect compliments to Timmy.

[$pursDynasty]

longevity changed this argument because CP3 is still balling but at the time MVParker retired, I was still Tony>Chris on the court. Even factoring in teammates wives Tony basically played on one team, while CP3 has played on many and when he leaves most of them the team goes down in wins but doesn't seem to miss him (ie he wears out his welcome). The only reason Tony didn't retire a Spur was trying to appease Nephew who in hindsight was never going to be appeased.

[gambit1990]

replace cp3 with tony on any chris paul team and tony would have 0 rings too.

spurs b2b with timmy, manu, cp3.

[$pursDynasty]

replace cp3 with tony on any chris paul team and tony would have 0 rings too.

spurs b2b with timmy, manu, cp3.
same could be said replacing Manu with Jamal Crawford. Timmay is the active ingredient. It is like wear a bronze bracelet, with proper diet and exercise and you will lose weight. when in fact sleeping with a magic bean under your mattress with proper diet and exercise you will lose weight too. It's all about the diet and exercise. Timmay plus a hall of famer and a potted plant will get you rings too. You see this topic because of the Enrique hate is still in ST. You never see a who is better Manu or Jamal Crawford topic. How many rings would the Spurs have if you replace Manu with Jamal Crawford/Lou Williams/Jason Terry??? My answer just as many as they have now but ST doesn't wanna hear that.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Dude, CP3 put OKC to top 4th seed, and again doing it with the Suns. I love Tony and he's one of my top 10 PG, sheer fearlessness with him leading the field goal% at his size, speed is a blur, teardrop was deadly. But CP3 is on another level, and unfortunately he will be another Stockton/Malone, Barkeley, Ewing who will be "almost" there, but "not" because they didn't have a ring, just imo.

Prob bc he's a soft pussy who is often injured and in need of an entire month off every season to have himself half-assed enough to make it thru 1 round of the playoffs.

Regular season I can def understand an argument but his post-season performances outside of ref-aided 2015 SAS/LAC series is total shit.
Dude sucks imo.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Prob bc he's a soft pussy who is often injured and in need of an entire month off every season to have himself half-assed enough to make it thru 1 round of the playoffs.

Regular season I can def understand an argument but his post-season performances outside of ref-aided 2015 SAS/LAC series is total shit.
Dude sucks imo.

His post season history certainly doesn't reflect much success in leading a team anywhere. Let's see if CP holds up for the playoffs or if he fades out / gets injured again.

But yeah, a regular season dynamo.

[lefty]

CP3 is much better, it's not a contest

[Arcadian]

I mean, there probably was a time when Parker was better than Paul, even if it was a very brief time. Idk, like maybe when Parker was winning FMVP in 2007, or when he was at his absolute peak in 2013.

But Chris obviously had the better career overall.

[John B]

replace cp3 with tony on any chris paul team and tony would have 0 rings too.

spurs b2b with timmy, manu, cp3.
Maybe a b2b, but maybe not a 3rd and 4th ring. Would CP3 be willing to sacrifice paychecks like Tony and Manu, and get his ego checked in the front door to allow the longevity? And would CP3 be coachable as Timmy, TP and Manu were? Kobe/Shaq could arguably won more rings together, but their ego's split the team. I would offer the same argument. Timmy is the superstar of the team. And TP and Manu were the perfect compliment.

[Ocotillo]

unfortunately he will be another Stockton/Malone, Barkeley, Ewing who will be "almost" there, but "not" because they didn't have a ring, just imo.

In today's NBA when the big dollar contract comes to an end, he will likely go coat tail on some super team.

[John B]

In today's NBA when the big dollar contract comes to an end, he will likely go coat tail on some super team.
I doubt he gets bought out anytime soon to join a superteam, and his ego will not allow him to be a "robin" to a LeBron or KD, nor would he allow a pay cut to fit. I doubt he will ever get a ring

[Spurtacular]

I mean, there probably was a time when Parker was better than Paul, even if it was a very brief time. Idk, like maybe when Parker was winning FMVP in 2007, or when he was at his absolute peak in 2013.

But Chris obviously had the better career overall.

2009ish, Parker was playing like the MVP.
He probably finished like 6th in the vote cos the league ain't having that.

[Spurtacular]

I would always pick TP and Manu to play with Timmy. Who knows the kind of ego that CP3 would've brought and broke the team? Because at the end of the day, it's not all the athletic skills, but would they fit together? And TP and Manu were perfect compliments to Timmy.

Manu especially. I wouldn't roll the dice on CP over Parker with all that's said about how he's a locker room cancer.
But I could see it working well or even better for a time.

[exstatic]

In today's NBA when the big dollar contract comes to an end, he will likely go coat tail on some super team.

Didn’t help Mitch Richmond, who most people don’t realize coattailed one with the Lakers. It’s not just the ring, it’s your role in getting it.

[gambit1990]

what everyone is overlooking is how much better cp3 would’ve made td and manu. the dude is a natural PG and tony never was.

a three peat would’ve been extremely possible TBH.

[gambit1990]

cp3 is currently #5 in all time steals.

i’d legit guess that tony might be #50 on that list.

defense wins championships.

cp3 / manu / bowen / timmy… they would’ve been a BEAST.

[gambit1990]

would’ve gone down as one of the greatest teams ever assembled.

[gambit1990]

miss me with this cp3 is a cancer bs, tony slept with his teammate’s wife :lmao

[Seventyniner]

Didn’t help Mitch Richmond, who most people don’t realize coattailed one with the Lakers. It’s not just the ring, it’s your role in getting it.

Right. He only played 4 total playoff minutes that season. T-Mac's career wouldn't have been viewed much differently had he gotten a ring with the 2013 Spurs too.

I could see very late career CP3 having a Gary Payton-like role on a contender, though. Payton played every game in the 2006 playoff run and averaged 24.3 MPG. Not a star but still an important bench player.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

cp3 is currently #5 in all time steals.

i’d legit guess that tony might be #50 on that list.

defense wins championships.

cp3 / manu / bowen / timmy… they would’ve been a BEAST.

153rd tbh :lol

#2 is jason kidd ... now that’s the big What If

[RC_Drunkford]

people forget that CP3 was very injury prone before he went vegan. Dude used to get injured in the playoffs every year

[spurraider21]

2009ish, Parker was playing like the MVP.
He probably finished like 6th in the vote cos the league ain't having that.
that was 2013 when he finished #6 iirc

[DMC]

At one point in his career Tony was better than Chris Paul. This we know. Tony used to own his ass. Tony used to own everyone. Great players do that.

[gambit1990]

153rd tbh :lol

#2 is jason kidd ... now that’s the big What If
good point... came close to happening too.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Imagine Chris Paul against the Heat 2013 defense lmao, his hips and ankles woulda turned to dust in the first game. This place would have been epic, EDP level meltdowns as far as the forum goes

[gambit1990]

cp3 wouldn’t have gotten hurt in the playoffs so much if he had the help that tony had.

[Biggems]

I think Paul doesn't have beef with Duncan if they play together. They were both Demon Deacons. Duncan was already a proven winner and Champion. Duncan practiced and honed his game like few have. Plus, no one, and I mean no one, wants to feel the burning of their soul from one of Timmy's stares. Also, Timmy would have lit CP3's ass up on the paintball course if he got out of line.

[DAF86]

same could be said replacing Manu with Jamal Crawford. Timmay is the active ingredient. It is like wear a bronze bracelet, with proper diet and exercise and you will lose weight. when in fact sleeping with a magic bean under your mattress with proper diet and exercise you will lose weight too. It's all about the diet and exercise. Timmay plus a hall of famer and a potted plant will get you rings too. You see this topic because of the Enrique hate is still in ST. You never see a who is better Manu or Jamal Crawford topic. How many rings would the Spurs have if you replace Manu with Jamal Crawford/Lou Williams/Jason Terry??? My answer just as many as they have now but ST doesn't wanna hear that.

You just went full retard son. :lol

[DAF86]

lol at the idea of Jamal Crawford going against the 2005 Pistons. :lol

[james evans]

miss me with this cp3 is a cancer bs, tony slept with his teammate’s wife :lmao
exactly hahaha. I don't know why this is swept under the rug