Murray...take the keys

[Laughing Gravy]

This is it. Throw him into the fire. Tony going out like an Alpha tbh tho

[Budkin]

Pop will be FORCED to play him!

[tholdren]

doubtful most likely Anderson

[illusioNtEk]

Fuck you fans who talk shit to him no loyalty

[daslicer]

You guys are a bunch of idiots. Tony was playing at a high level prior to getting hurt. It will be hard for Murray a rook to replicate that level of play.

[Splits]

Pop will start Manu.

[palangi]

You guys are a bunch of idiots. Tony was playing at a high level prior to getting hurt. It will be hard for Murray a rook to replicate that level of play.

You're an idiot

[testies]

he wont even play you idiots

[Laughing Gravy]

Hate to say it, but we are not winning shit using a Mills/Manu/KA pg rotation. Nothing to lose if Tony is out. Throw the kid into the fire and see if he really is our next starting pg.

[cjw]

You guys are a bunch of idiots. Tony was playing at a high level prior to getting hurt. It will be hard for Murray a rook to replicate that level of play.

When Murray starts getting torn apart in the pick and roll, you'll be screaming for Parker (or Kyle)

[hater]

We lose all our folloring games if parker is out

[Keepin' it real]

The keys to the training room?

[urunobili]

Plz be ok TP. Today he was being a fucking boss running the show

[tholdren]

When Murray starts getting torn apart in the pick and roll, you'll be screaming for Parker (or Kyle)

top dumb post

[illusioNtEk]

Patty starts, Murray off the bench tbh

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Pop won't play him...

[ECOV]

Hate to say it, but we are not winning shit using a Mills/Manu/KA pg rotation. Nothing to lose if Tony is out. Throw the kid into the fire and see if he really is our next starting pg.
didnt know you can see the futute

[daslicer]

You're an idiot

How convenient you change your original reply. Name me a player in NBA history who as a rookie didn't get many minutes then suddenly come playoff time had an impact? I doubt your stupid ass will be able to answer that question.

[tholdren]

Tony Parker is notorious for being a p ussy. there was no contact. his weight got the best of him

[cjw]

Kawhi will get ten assists one of these games with Parker out. While not enough to win a title, it's all the MVP voters care about


Tony Parker is notorious for being a p ussy. there was no contact. his weight got the best of him

Remember Jamaal Charles' injuries? Non-contact. Is he a pussy? Most bad knee injuries are non-contact (Brady's was a big exception)

[palangi]

How convenient you change your original reply. Name me a player in NBA history who as a rookie didn't get many minutes then suddenly come playoff time had an impact? I doubt your stupid ass will be able to answer that question.

I guess there is always a first. But go and keep crying. I didn't change anything

[illusioNtEk]

Tony Parker is notorious for being a p ussy. there was no contact. his weight got the best of him


You probably never worked out or played basketball in your whole pathetic life... stfu you don't know shit

[TheGreatYacht]

Tony Parker is notorious for being a p ussy. there was no contact. his weight got the best of him
Get this faggot outta here Deuce

[DMC]

We aren't beating the Rockets most likely. Tony being hurt will light a fire under the Spurs though. We might at least see some good Palace level throwdowns.

[Laughing Gravy]

Well there's always a chance Durant AND Curry will get hurt lol

[KDKSpurs24]

I somehow doubt he will start.

[daslicer]

I guess there is always a first. But go and keep crying. I didn't change anything

:lol Proving my point that you are retarded by not being able to answer the question.

[DMC]

Kawhi will get ten assists one of these games with Parker out. While not enough to win a title, it's all the MVP voters care about



Remember Jamaal Charles' injuries? Non-contact. Is he a pussy? Most bad knee injuries are non-contact (Brady's was a big exception)


MVP voting ended in the RS

[DMC]

Well there's always a chance Durant AND Curry will get hurt lol

And Draymond and Klay and Lebron and Kyrie and JR Smith.

[J_Paco]

Tony Parker is notorious for being a p ussy. there was no contact. his weight got the best of him

He probably tore his ACL, you idiot. He's never suffered an injury of that severity before.

I'm really hoping he's okay, but doesn't sound good at all.

[Southwest Texas Fan]

Pop may be forced to play him probably behind Kyle but damn Parker was playing well.

[Mnky]

Pop will start Manu.

[Robz4000]

Hopefully Poo doesn't start Manu or Patty at least. Like their role off the bench.

[palangi]

:lol Proving my point that you are retarded by not being able to answer the question.

You still crying?

[cjw]

MVP voting ended in the RS

Oh I know. Should have clarified, I'm talking about next season as Parker won't be ready until early 2018.

[tholdren]

He probably tore his ACL, you idiot. He's never suffered an injury of that severity before.

I'm really hoping he's okay, but doesn't sound good at all.

disagree with injury diagnosis, agree that he cries worse than a soccer player. carried off court is shameful

[daslicer]

You still crying?

:lol judging by your quick responses that's you.

[urunobili]

This kid ain't ready. His injury buried his chances...

[apalisoc_9]

Murray probably wont play that much. Manus minutes will go up and Leonard will be forced to be a Point Forward.

Simmons will play more to provide more attacking.

[bic50]

This kid ain't ready. His injury buried his chances...
He needs to get ready because he is now going to play in this series now. I bet the rockets are salivating

[palangi]

:lol judging by your quick responses that's you.

Still...?

[ducks]

You guys are a bunch of idiots. Tony was playing at a high level prior to getting hurt. It will be hard for Murray a rook to replicate that level of play.

[ducks]

Murray probably wont play that much. Manus minutes will go up and Leonard will be forced to be a Point Forward.

Simmons will play more to provide more attacking.

[Keepin' it real]

Murray will be in street clothes for game 3.

[HarlemHeat37]

I hope he plays, but I'd be surprised if he sees the court in a non-garbage time setting, unless it's an elimination game and Pop is desperate(like game 6 vs. OKC last year)..

[TheGreatYacht]

Passing of the torch.

http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/56/50/21/12223602/11/rawImage.jpg

[spurtech09]

Hey if Dak and Zeke can rook it up so can Murray......

[BillMc]

Start simmons for his defense and let Kawhi run the offense.

[SAGirl]

Murray probably wont play that much. Manus minutes will go up and Leonard will be forced to be a Point Forward.

Simmons will play more to provide more attacking.
You can't increase Manu's minutes. He was already not looking good with minutes limited. Its going to be Patty and Simmons picking up more... I think Murray plays in a short leash. Did you see Pop upset at Simmons bc he was ball hogging in garbage time. He wanted the ball given to Murray so he can get experience I think. It's tough to tell.

[SAGirl]

Start simmons for his defense and let Kawhi run the offense.
A good plan. I like that.

[marinoman]

Pop gives doesn't play rookies in the playoffs, Manu will prolly start

[TheDoctor]

MVjounte...

https://media.giphy.com/media/B54TA1aiS9WSI/200.gif

Rise Little Phoenix Rise.

[Yuixafun]

Passing of the torch.

http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/56/50/21/12223602/11/rawImage.jpg

When Tony got carried off the court, he was helped by Dedmon and... Murray.

Odd coincidence or an omen?

Many strange happenings during the game.

Mills flop.

Anderson on fire.

Danny lights out to start.

KL having stealthily a monster game till the 4th.

Mills spin juke on Beverley.

Beverley again in the vicinity of knee injury. Feel bad for Tony, looks serious. Hope just an mcl sprain.

Harden gets elbowed for real, after he and Aldridge hold raised hands while they wait to see if the shot goes in. I laughed so heartily.

Simmons 4 straight points then starts the 4th quarter as the Pf?

(Ps I wore my 2014 Championship hat and Leonard shirt with the striped numbers under my chef coat. Kawhi got cut in the game on his hand.., about the same time I cut my hand at work. I didn't find out till later when I watched a recording of the game Weird.)

[james evans]

When Murray starts getting torn apart in the pick and roll, you'll be screaming for Parker (or Kyle)
So Parker and Anderson are great PNR defenders?

[james evans]

When Tony got carried off the court, he was helped by Dedmon and... Murray.

Odd coincidence or an omen?

Many strange happenings during the game.

Mills flop.

Anderson on fire.

Danny lights out to start.

KL having stealthily a monster game till the 4th.

Mills spin juke on Beverley.

Beverley again in the vicinity of knee injury. Feel bad for Tony, looks serious. Hope just an mcl sprain.

Harden gets elbowed for real, after he and Aldridge hold raised hands while they wait to see if the shot goes in. I laughed so heartily.

Simmons 4 straight points then starts the 4th quarter as the Pf?

(Ps I wore my 2014 Championship hat and Leonard shirt with the striped numbers under my chef coat. Kawhi got cut in the game on his hand.., about the same time I cut my hand at work. I didn't find out till later when I watched a recording of the game Weird.)
beverly should have received a flagrant the next trip up the floor after that mills spin. The next possession, he pushed mills hard in the back then helped him up to cover himself. That fucker is dirty

[Chinook]

Start simmons for his defense and let Kawhi run the offense.

I'd rather them start Murray and try to survive off the other four (or three and Green) until the bench comes in. Manu and Kyle don't make a great wing set against Houston. Would rather Kyle play the four when Ryan is in.

[cd021]

He probably tore his ACL, you idiot. He's never suffered an injury of that severity before.

I'm really hoping he's okay, but doesn't sound good at all.

I was thinking that it might be that, if that is the case then he may be out 9 months. Murray may be the starter next season, with Mills hopefully back too.

[hater]

the keys to the wine cellar?

[hater]

"They aint gonna rook us"

Oh wait

[TheGreatYacht]

"They aint gonna rook us"

Oh wait
:lol

[DarrinS]

KL2 -- point forward

[ceperez]

I think problem is that Murray hasn't played well since recovering from injury.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I'm all for Murray getting minutes but he would easily be the smallest guy on the floor. Houston can post him up with everyone, so it would mean a lot of having to come double team then squirming around until Houston gets an open 3-pointer.

[Spurs9]

I'm all for Murray getting minutes but he would easily be the smallest guy on the floor. Houston can post him up with everyone, so it would mean a lot of having to come double team then squirming around until Houston gets an open 3-pointer.

Isn't he 6'5 tbh?

[DarrinS]

I'm all for Murray getting minutes but he would easily be the smallest guy on the floor. Houston can post him up with everyone, so it would mean a lot of having to come double team then squirming around until Houston gets an open 3-pointer.

Not really their style of play, tbh.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Isn't he 6'5 tbh?

Small as in skinny, I meant.

[jbspurs]

He needs to get ready because he is now going to play in this series now. I bet the rockets are salivating

The Kid is long and more athletic, I think he will give rockets PG's problems. They'll be in for a surprise!

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Not really their style of play, tbh.

Not their style to find ways to open up the 3-point line?

[MaNu4Tres]

Pop will probably start Mills.

Then use the big guard lineup w/ Manu, Simmons, Kawhi if he goes traditional. If Pop goes small, I can see Manu, Simmons, Kawhi, Bertans, Gasol/LA.

Those expecting Murray to " get the keys" or to get a significant role from the start are going to be disappointed.

I do think, however, Pop will give Murray little burn on a short leash just to see how he handles it. He will have to if he elects to go small for >= half the game.

[Russ]

TP has the most remarkable healing abilities of any athlete in history.

He's literally indestructible.

But if it's an ACL, he'll have to channel Dejuan Blair to play anytime soon . . .

[jbspurs]

I think problem is that Murray hasn't played well since recovering from injury.



Based from what I saw yesterday, I think his shooting is not there yet. But, his quickness and dribble penetration are there to create quality shots for teammates.

[MaNu4Tres]

Based from what I saw yesterday, I think his shooting is not there yet. But, his quickness and dribble penetration are there to create quality shots for teammates.


Even if his shooting is not there yet, what you're saying is ridiculous.

Based on the one jumper he attempted last night?

My goodness.

[Truth4sale$]

Have faith, Spurs have the best coaching staff. They will know what to do. Popovich kept Murray as the 3rd pt guard for a reason. He may start to keep the bench rotation, but play with limited minutes, and funnel everything thru kawhi as a point forward. Everyone is a professional at this point, no rookie mentally in the playoffs. Murray has had a limited run in garbage time, so the butterflys may come but will soon pass. Someone needs to step up, it wont be lamarcus he has proven he can't, ginobili and Pau are willing but the body says otherwise, simmons and kyle are too inconsistent, it will come down to Patty.....he needs 20 pts a game at leas#Go Spurs Go!!!

[Laughing Gravy]

Its official, TP is a now legend in every sense of the word. Throw Murray into the fire!!!!

[SAGirl]

I'd rather them start Murray and try to survive off the other four (or three and Green) until the bench comes in. Manu and Kyle don't make a great wing set against Houston. Would rather Kyle play the four when Ryan is in.
I am starting to think Kyle is in the doghouse and done for the season too at this rate tbh.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Kyle is too slow to play against Houston. No doghouse, he's just the slowest person on either bench in this series and that includes the coaching staffs.

[SAGirl]

Kyle is too slow to play against Houston. No doghouse, he's just the slowest person on either bench in this series and that includes the coaching staffs.
That always gets overrated tbh... Ppl thought he was too slow for the NBA to begin with.
Anyways, I don't want to turn this into a Kyle thread at all. Carry on, he's benched.

[Seventyniner]

The thread title makes me think of Parker, Mills, and Murray at a party.

Mills: "Fuck, Tony just passed out! How are we going to get home?"
Murray: "You can drive, can't you?"
Mills: "Not on the right side of the road. I'm more of an off-wheel player."
Murray: "But I'm only 14! I don't even have a permit!"
Mills: "We don't have a choice. Murray...take the keys."

[SAGirl]

Have faith, Spurs have the best coaching staff. They will know what to do. Popovich kept Murray as the 3rd pt guard for a reason. He may start to keep the bench rotation, but play with limited minutes, and funnel everything thru kawhi as a point forward. Everyone is a professional at this point, no rookie mentally in the playoffs. Murray has had a limited run in garbage time, so the butterflys may come but will soon pass. Someone needs to step up, it wont be lamarcus he has proven he can't, ginobili and Pau are willing but the body says otherwise, simmons and kyle are too inconsistent, it will come down to Patty.....he needs 20 pts a game at leas#Go Spurs Go!!!
HOpefully it's a little bit of everyone.
Kawhi was already dominating and will continue to do so...
I have little belief in Lamarcus at this point tbh. Last night's game was about Danny, Simmons, and Pau coming in to play, then the others like Tony who were already coming with aggression since the prior series doing what they do, same as Patty. Lamarcus was smart in being more selective with his shots and trying to pass out of the post and not trying to force his will or anything of the sort. I think Lamarcus "trying to force his will" at this point is a recipe for disaster.

[SAGirl]

The thread title makes me think of Parker, Mills, and Murray at a party.

Mills: "Fuck, Tony just passed out! How are we going to get home?"
Murray: "You can drive, can't you?"
Mills: "Not on the right side of the road. I'm more of an off-wheel player."
Murray: "But I'm only 14! I don't even have a permit!"
Mills: "We don't have a choice. Murray...take the keys."
:lol
:toast

[Horse]

Murray played his best when he started. He seems to be able to break down the defense at will so maybe that will open up shots. Got to imagine his youth, length and athletic ability could make him a pretty good defender. Starting would also keep Mills in his usual role. If we can take advantage when hardon goes to the bench we can do it.

[itzsoweezee]

I really doubt Murray will get off the bench except in garbage time

[hater]

Take the Keys and move my car. I double parked.:pop:

[hater]

When Manu wakes up from his nap tell him he's starting :pop:

[HarlemHeat37]

Take the Keys and move my car. I double parked.:pop:

:lol

[21209]

He'll get the keys next season, especially if the Spurs let Patty walk and they don't sign a FA PG in the offseason.

I agree with most that he won't see many minutes even with Parker out for the playoffs.

[SpursforSix]

Conley would have been a damn good fit.

[UZER]

Murray Take the Wheel

- Carrie Underwood

[SASdynasty!]

I'd love to see PATFO go all in on Murray and develop him for the future. Throw him into the fire...who knows...his length might give Harden and Steph trouble. TP got so fortunate in getting to run against GP his rookie season. Give Murray good playoff minutes against the best guards in the league (Harden, Steph, and God willing Kyrie). Even if he gets embarrassed, the value of those minutes is irreplaceable.

Would have loved to see TP9 finish this season and next, but if this is really the end of the road, let's develop Murray.

Let Mills bring energy to the second unit and start when necessary. Up to this point all the Spurs success has come from the draft: DRob, TD, Parker, Gino, Kawhi. Let's see if it can keep working that way.

[SpursforSix]

Murray Take the Wheel

- Carrie Underwood

LOLZ. I'm somewhat embarrassed that I get the joke.

[ElNono]

I'd love to see PATFO go all in on Murray and develop him for the future. Throw him into the fire...who knows...his length might give Harden and Steph trouble. TP got so fortunate in getting to run against GP his rookie season. Give Murray good playoff minutes against the best guards in the league (Harden, Steph, and God willing Kyrie). Even if he gets embarrassed, the value of those minutes is irreplaceable.

Would have loved to see TP9 finish this season and next, but if this is really the end of the road, let's develop Murray.

Let Mills bring energy to the second unit and start when necessary. Up to this point all the Spurs success has come from the draft: DRob, TD, Parker, Gino, Kawhi. Let's see if it can keep working that way.

sup brah... are you ok?

[SAGirl]

I'd love to see PATFO go all in on Murray and develop him for the future. Throw him into the fire...who knows...his length might give Harden and Steph trouble. TP got so fortunate in getting to run against GP his rookie season. Give Murray good playoff minutes against the best guards in the league (Harden, Steph, and God willing Kyrie). Even if he gets embarrassed, the value of those minutes is irreplaceable.

Would have loved to see TP9 finish this season and next, but if this is really the end of the road, let's develop Murray.

Let Mills bring energy to the second unit and start when necessary. Up to this point all the Spurs success has come from the draft: DRob, TD, Parker, Gino, Kawhi. Let's see if it can keep working that way.
That's a good spirit to have.
:toast Sorry for your loss SAS.

[in2deep]

Take the Keys and move my car. I double parked.:pop:


:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol
:lol really?

[urunobili]

I see him really skinny... have you seen how ripped Beverly looks? I'm just afraid he'll be bullied...

[NameLess Scrub]

I say do it. Spurs are not winning this series anyway.

[NameLess Scrub]

I see him really skinny... have you seen how ripped Beverly looks? I'm just afraid he'll be bullied...

He might get bullied, but maybe he won't just get blown by like a traffic cone like Patty and Manu are (don't remember Tony), for some layup or a Pau supervised floater.

[palangi]

Small as in skinny, I meant.

Let's Not act like basketball is a Mr Universe competition. Dennis Schroder is a skinny guy too. Beverly is a skinny guy too.

There is way too much made about his weight by his detractors here.

[SASdynasty!]

sup brah... are you ok?
Haha I think I'll be alright...with time.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Let's Not act like basketball is a Mr Universe competition. Dennis Schroder is a skinny guy too. Beverly is a skinny guy too.

There is way too much made about his weight by his detractors here.

Schroder is their main player, so it's not like they have a choice. And Beverley is buff as shit compared to Murray.

[palangi]

I think you'd be surprised if you saw him in person.

[palangi]

Steph Curry isn't a rocked up guy.

This is such a stupid thing to worry about. Especially for a PG

[jbspurs]

Even if his shooting is not there yet, what you're saying is ridiculous.

Based on the one jumper he attempted last night?

My goodness.

He showed his potentials against Kyrie Irving during regular season on a highly contested game. He got the skills, all he needs is playing time.

[bic50]

Schroder is their main player, so it's not like they have a choice. And Beverley is buff as shit compared to Murray.
I can't see what Beverly could actually do to Murray to bully him.

[palangi]

I can't see what Beverly could actually do to Murray to bully him.

That's because he can't. It's made up argument for some here.

[Gagnrath]

Being Australian Mills does drive on the right side of the Road.

[sasaint]

Take the Keys and move my car. I double parked.:pop:


When Manu wakes up from his nap tell him he's starting :pop:

:lmao You are the winner of the day - regardless of what else gets posted! :toast

[DMC]

Jesus take the wheel

[hsxvvd]

2003 Speedy Claxton 2.0

[Racspur1]

https://www.keycraze.com/images/KW1-SAN%20ANTONIO%20SPURS.jpg

[spurspokesman]

Patty starts, Murray off the bench tbh

This. And sprinkle in Manu with the second unit

[pgardn]

Well...

Now it looks like we will get to see how Murray looks when overwhelmed.
This is gonna require some major resilience on his part if he gets significant minutes.

[Laughing Gravy]

Who called it? "The Joint" gets the start!

[Uriel]

I love Pau's length.

[cjw]

Please take the keys away from Murray. He cannot see the floor if Beverley is out there.

[Uriel]

Harden is suffering from a gimpy knee, a sore wrist, and a fever.

He's clearly not 100%.

[DJR210]

I love Pau's length.

I'm sure you do.. :lol fag

[Southwest Texas Fan]

Harden is suffering from a gimpy knee, a sore wrist, and a fever.

He's clearly not 100%.

It's the post season, everyone's gimpy.

[TheGreatYacht]

Awful game, but I still believe

[Splits]

He's clearly out of his depth.

[vander]

But somehow he led in +/- anyways

[marinoman]

Murray throw away the keys, Spurs had kawhi and Simmons running the point when patty was out, much better

[Laughing Gravy]

He will shine in game 4. Mark my words.

[Prose]

he wont even play you idiots

[cutewizard]

Murray throw away the keys, Spurs had kawhi and Simmons running the point when patty was out, much better



:bobo

[tholdren]

But somehow he led in +/- anyways

sad thing about stats. lies

[vander]

sad thing about stats. lies

all it says is that when he was on the court, the Spurs outscored the Rockets, by a lot. any 'lie' is just your own misinterpretation

[DPG21920]

Not fair to judge him too much with such extraordinary circumstances. But remember people throwing a hissy fit when a few of us mentioned his handle needing work? His jumper? Ability to get into the lane and finish? You can be a good prospect even with some flaws to improve upon. All in all any win with him starting is a major success.

[tbdog]

https://streamable.com/g87pi

[tholdren]

all it says is that when he was on the court, the Spurs outscored the Rockets, by a lot. any 'lie' is just your own misinterpretation

no douche, it's not my misinterpretation. you idiots think that stat relates to individual performance.

[vander]

no douche, it's not my misinterpretation. you idiots think that stat relates to individual performance.

if a player's performance helps the team, the team will outscore the opponent more when he is on the court then when he is off the court.

there are more ways a player effects the game than just points/assists/rebounds etc. on court/off court is the best stat for all those other things.

[tholdren]

if a player's performance helps the team, the team will outscore the opponent more when he is on the court then when he is off the court.

there are more ways a player effects the game than just points/assists/rebounds etc. on court/off court is the best stat for all those other things.

welp, you're a fucking idiot

[hombre]

Pop is getting Murray ready for next year.

[Chris]

11/10/5 I think

[tim_duncan_fan]

Wowzers tonight!

[bic50]

All in on Murray. No to cp3

[emanueldavidginobili]

Yup 11-10-5. This kid is not afraid. He's young and weak right now but this kids going to be special, mark my words

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

11/10/5, with two steals, a block, and one turnover. +/- of +33, best on the team :wow

[spursistan]

862853367495884800

:lmao..

[bic50]

Parker was just like him when he he first started. Full of confidence.

[bic50]

862853367495884800

:lmao..
:lol

[Chris]

862853367495884800

:lmao..

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2Fn2qptwE 4bajwk%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1

[dabom]

:lol

[Seventyniner]

862853367495884800

:lmao..

Not fair comparing a garbage time player and emergency starter to an all-time great. Shit, you could say Mengke Bateer 1, Chris Paul 0, what would be your point?

[313]

All in on Murray. No to cp3

[313]

If we're all in on Murray, I'm all for paying Mills.

[Laughing Gravy]

Just the beginning. He's getting his timing down. This kid is going to grow into PG Kawhi. Lockdown defender in a couple years. Please Chip England for the love of God, stick around long enough to perfect this kids shot!!!

[illusioNtEk]

if a player's performance helps the team, the team will outscore the opponent more when he is on the court then when he is off the court.

there are more ways a player effects the game than just points/assists/rebounds etc. on court/off court is the best stat for all those other things.

Your take made my brain hurt

[jbspurs]

Even if his shooting is not there yet, what you're saying is ridiculous.

Based on the one jumper he attempted last night?

My goodness.

What do you think of Murray now?

[Mr. Body]

Still not sure why he slipped so far. He has basis but he's tall and long and athletic for a point guard.

[tholdren]

Still not sure why he slipped so far. He has basis but he's tall and long and athletic for a point guard.

because he's a ball dominant of that is more about gunning than initiating offense and cannot use his body to protect his dribble, athletic, but not smart. very immature game. hopefully spurs can fix that quick

[SAGirl]

862853367495884800

:lmao..
Wow!
Go rookie go.
:flag:

[SAGirl]

Still not sure why he slipped so far. He has basis but he's tall and long and athletic for a point guard.
Couldn't shoot worth a lick.
couldn't defend an armchair.
pretty much... also wouldn't stop shooting although he couldn't shoot, lost his team a lot of games that way. Shot selection was terrible.
Make no mistake he has improved already from college.

[jbspurs]

Couldn't shoot worth a lick.
couldn't defend an armchair.
pretty much... also wouldn't stop shooting although he couldn't shoot, lost his team a lot of games that way. Shot selection was terrible.
Make no mistake he has improved already from college.


Since, Green and Kawhi will cover Thompson and Durant. Simmons and Murray are the only one's who can keep up with Curry. Hopefully, Murray will be up to the challenge.

[Laughing Gravy]

Yup

[urunobili]

Looking good on the opener :tu

[BackHome]

Fuck Gasol

[Laughing Gravy]

Makes a clutch bucket.....aaaaaand Pop yanks him lol.

[Mr. Body]

Makes a clutch bucket.....aaaaaand Pop yanks him lol.

Has to get over himself.

[dabom]

A year after I called it. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

A PG rotation of Murray & Parker :wow

TP & Manu gonna be great in the bench. Fathead will see the ball less

[james evans]

i have no idea why in the 4th tonight when Murray was hot and had 2 straight good possessions did popovpich take him out the gaem with 4 mins to go and put Mills in. why the fuck is he still on that bullshit?

[TheGreatYacht]

i have no idea why in the 4th tonight when Murray was hot and had 2 straight good possessions did popovpich take him out the gaem with 4 mins to go and put Mills in. why the fuck is he still on that bullshit?
Drunkford had a hand in that. Trying to justify that bullshit $50,000,000 contract.

Pitty Mills is only good in contract years, yet the Spurs fell for the fools gold.... AGAIN.

[ninjaskrzypek]

Take the keys? After tonight he took my heart. And then Pop yanked him.

[sasaint]

i have no idea why in the 4th tonight when Murray was hot and had 2 straight good possessions did popovpich take him out the gaem with 4 mins to go and put Mills in. why the fuck is he still on that bullshit?

Had Dijon played the entire quarter to that point? I wasn't paying attention. Perhaps Pop thought he was going to get fatigued going down the stretch...?

[ninjaskrzypek]

Had Dijon played the entire quarter to that point? I wasn't paying attention. Perhaps Pop thought he was going to get fatigued going down the stretch...?

No. Mills came in and stunk up the place helping Minnesota get back in the game. Murray came and in scored a nice bucket and then went to the bench. Smh

[sasaint]

No. Mills came in and stunk up the place helping Minnesota get back in the game. Murray came and in scored a nice bucket and then went to the bench. Smh

Just inexplicable Poop I guess. Maybe the guy thought a loss in the home opener would motivate the team. :downspin:

[SAGirl]

He isn’t just talk no more. This was impressive.

[SpurPadre]

TP: Take the fucking keys...I'll take your girl!

[Spurtacular]

Murray's going to the bench when TP comes back. Sorry folks; that's how it is.

[cutewizard]

Murray rules

[Maddog]

5 rebounds 2 steals and a block.
The Kid is really Long and puts forth effort,

Only 2 turnovers- Pretty good for essentially a college junior. Granted the Spurs schemes probably limited this, still like the discipline of following the game plan

[james evans]

Murray's going to the bench when TP comes back. Sorry folks; that's how it is.
unfortunately you're right

[Chinook]

Murray's going to the bench when TP comes back. Sorry folks; that's how it is.

Yeah, the best people can hope for is that he takes Anderson's or Lauvergne's spot in the rotation.

Parker, Mills
Green, Murray
Leonard, Ginobili
Anderson, Gay
Aldridge, Gasol

I would like that very much.

[cd021]

Yeah, the best people can hope for is that he takes Anderson's or Lauvergne's spot in the rotation.

Parker, Mills
Green, Murray
Leonard, Ginobili
Anderson, Gay
Aldridge, Gasol

I would like that very much.

I would hope that that would be the case. That's a legit 10 man rotation.

I expect Laverne to drop out of the rotation after Parker comes back; not so much because of his play but because Murray and Anderson will hopefully have proven themselves to be consistent contributors.

[duncan2k5]

Parker is too inconsistent to start... He had his time...

[tholdren]

Parker is too inconsistent to start... He had his time...

Fan since 2013 listen to him

[tholdren]

Yeah, the best people can hope for is that he takes Anderson's or Lauvergne's spot in the rotation.

Parker, Mills
Green, Murray
Leonard, Ginobili
Anderson, Gay
Aldridge, Gasol

I would like that very much.

Yep, murray should not be the main ball handler on the court.

[james evans]

Yep, murray should not be the main ball handler on the court.
and when did Mills become Kyrie Irving with the handles?

[tholdren]

and when did Mills become Kyrie Irving with the handles?

Lol kyrie irving is more like murray. Dumbest star in the league. Murray is a sg

[KDKSpurs24]

Lol kyrie irving is more like murray. Dumbest star in the league. Murray is a sg
And it continues.. just won't stop :rolleyes
Crow feast incoming.

[tholdren]

And it continues.. just won't stop :rolleyes
Crow feast incoming.

Go ahead and eloborate... or just use vague generalizations and emojis. Really great

[KDKSpurs24]

Go ahead and eloborate... or just use vague generalizations and emojis. Really great
I already explained my take on this to you some time ago. So it's not vague. My point is somewhere in the forums already. And I'll use what I want. I'm capable of talking basketball but it will be wasted on you because I see it will take too much effort to get you to even change your view.

But this is a new season. You seem to not understand what it takes to improve which is PLAYING TIME. Before even talking about negative things you've saw from him in the past, give him a timeframe to see if his offseason work has paid off before judging him. He's off to a good start. And stop calling players dumb. You don't know them. It doesn't make you sound any smarter.

[tholdren]

I already explained my take on this to you some time ago. So it's not vague. My point is somewhere in the forums already. And I'll use what I want. I'm capable of talking basketball but it will be wasted on you because I see it will take too much effort to get you to even change your view.

But this is a new season. You seem to not understand what it takes to improve which is PLAYING TIME. Before even talking about negative things you've saw from him in the past, give him a timeframe to see if his offseason work has paid off before judging him. He's off to a good start. And stop calling players dumb. You don't know them. It doesn't make you sound any smarter.

Murray is dumb. If you havent seen that by now, well, there isnt much from your first paragraph to hang your hat on. No one said he wouldnt get better, no one said increased pt doesnt make you better. Its my standing theory that you can take any of the buried bench guys and if given time they can improve to nba caliber players.


The facts remain, murray is dumb, he struggles with fundamental plays, he isnt a solid pg. His skill is scoring iso and in transition, thats about it at this point in time.

[KDKSpurs24]

Murray is dumb. If you havent seen that by now, well, there isnt much from your first paragraph to hang your hat on. No one said he wouldnt get better, no one said increased pt doesnt make you better. Its my standing theory that you can take any of the buried bench guys and if given time they can improve to nba caliber players.


The facts remain, murray is dumb, he struggles with fundamental plays, he isnt a solid pg. His skill is scoring iso and in transition, thats about it at this point in time.
"By now"? Oh so after a 1 game sample size? Because like I said.. he gets a clean slate because this is the start of a season where NOBODY knows how his offseason work will affect his game. I'm going to watch him try his stuff and get comfortable first. Kawhi said it himself in an interview about his own improvement after an offseason "you can't be afraid to try it(new skills) in the games". Murray will make mistakes but just watch him learn and grow.

[tholdren]

"By now"? Oh so after a 1 game sample size? Because like I said.. he gets a clean slate because this is the start of a season where NOBODY knows how his offseason work will affect his game. I'm going to watch him try his stuff and get comfortable first. Kawhi said it himself in an interview about his own improvement after an offseason "you can't be afraid to try it(new skills) in the games". Murray will make mistakes but just watch him learn and grow.

No not by now, by college, and his past year in the nba until now. Its not like he was a brand new pg this year. Hes been allowed to have no game sense because he played in trash leagues that promoted scoring as the idea behind a great player. Watch him move without the ball. Hes dumb. Hes lma of the perimeter that rebounds better. And i forgot to add rebounding as one of his skills in previous posts.

[duncan2k5]

Fan since 2013 listen to him

This is my second account... I been on here waaaaaay longer bro... Since Kori days... Show some respect

[duncan2k5]

Ppl seem to think Tony was this amazing PG when he was younger... He couldn't shoot, disappeared in playoff series, and was so bad in the 03 finals that he had to be replaced with speedy Claxton... But we stuck with him through his flaws and allowed him the chance to grow... Now we have a PG that has more raw talent and we don't want to give him the chance to grow because he isn't a star as yet... We rather lose in the playoffs for sure with an old Parker, while stunting Murray's growth

[Birn]

Ppl seem to think Tony was this amazing PG when he was younger... He couldn't shoot, disappeared in playoff series, and was so bad in the 03 finals that he had to be replaced with speedy Claxton... But we stuck with him through his flaws and allowed him the chance to grow... Now we have a PG that has more raw talent and we don't want to give him the chance to grow because he isn't a star as yet... We rather lose in the playoffs for sure with an old Parker, while stunting Murray's growth

What a freaking idiot...I guess you forgot Parker getting a Finals MVP in 2007.

Spurs fans are the absolute worst. I'm embarrassed to say I live here.

[tholdren]

This is my second account... I been on here waaaaaay longer bro... Since Kori days... Show some respect

Lol prove your point by how many accounts you post from? Tony at 19 in the playoffs was better than murray last year. Fact. If tony had murrays height and length at 19 he would have been an all star every year. Murray has potential, like any player. But hes dumb and has 0 bbiq. Will he grow out of it with pt yep. But comparing him to parker is just stupid. The kid has no handles or fundamental understanding of the game. Its straight up playground basketball. He will gey better because his type is exactly what is filtering through now, low class players who cant defend... ie anyone can score. Fans would rather social media the highlight than win the game.

[duncan2k5]

Lol prove your point by how many accounts you post from? Tony at 19 in the playoffs was better than murray last year. Fact. If tony had murrays height and length at 19 he would have been an all star every year. Murray has potential, like any player. But hes dumb and has 0 bbiq. Will he grow out of it with pt yep. But comparing him to parker is just stupid. The kid has no handles or fundamental understanding of the game. Its straight up playground basketball. He will gey better because his type is exactly what is filtering through now, low class players who cant defend... ie anyone can score. Fans would rather social media the highlight than win the game.

Dude... Parker started the entire season and went through his growth... Murray barely played, and didn't know if he would... How could u compare the two? The front office and pop doesn't always get it right when it comes to evaluating players... We let a lot of good players go in the past, and we are overlooking how great Murray can be... Silly to compare the two when it comes to their first playoff appearance... Lol... Plus saying IF Tony had Murray's body is a dumb argument to make... If Tony had LeBron's body he would be even better too... If dejuan Blair had Blake griffins body, he would have been good... The physical gifts are a huge part of what makes a player good.. Duncan wouldn't be as good if he was 6'2

[tholdren]

Dude... Parker started the entire season and went through his growth... Murray barely played, and didn't know if he would... How could u compare the two? The front office and pop doesn't always get it right when it comes to evaluating players... We let a lot of good players go in the past, and we are overlooking how great Murray can be... Silly to compare the two when it comes to their first playoff appearance... Lol... Plus saying IF Tony had Murray's body is a dumb argument to make... If Tony had LeBron's body he would be even better too... If dejuan Blair had Blake griffins body, he would have been good... The physical gifts are a huge part of what makes a player good.. Duncan wouldn't be as good if he was 6'2

Right, parker was ready to contribute right away. He was a fundamentally sound pg. Murray is not. Murray was a 1st dlrd pick who looked like dog shit in the playoffs. Parker was still a competent player at least in his first playoffs being still a teenager. Completely fine to compare the two.... and yes, the point is murray has the genetic tools to be successful, however his skill level is sub par.. i think we agree on the last part, yes its easier to be recruited as height increases, and in this case you should defer that tony being smaller and younger was better than murray coming in, and hes still better than murray based on last year parker and this year murray

[Chews]

Right, parker was ready to contribute right away. He was a fundamentally sound pg. Murray is not. Murray was a 1st dlrd pick who looked like dog shit in the playoffs. Parker was still a competent player at least in his first playoffs being still a teenager. Completely fine to compare the two.... and yes, the point is murray has the genetic tools to be successful, however his skill level is sub par.. i think we agree on the last part, yes its easier to be recruited as height increases, and in this case you should defer that tony being smaller and younger was better than murray coming in, and hes still better than murray based on last year parker and this year murray

You're dumb.

[Mr. Body]

Comparing Murray to Parker does Murray no favors. He's not close to what Parker was almost immediately. Hell, after 2003 Finals we backed off a push to get Jason Kidd because it was clear we had our point guard already.

[tholdren]

You're dumb.

Awwww new fan feelings hurt? Sorry kids

[Chews]

Awwww new fan feelings hurt? Sorry kids

Dumb reply. You really are dumb.

[tholdren]

Dumb reply. You really are dumb.

Awwwww sorry youre mad

[DAF86]

Lol kyrie irving is more like murray. Dumbest star in the league. Murray is a sg

You would be neutralizing all of Murray's strenghts, playing him at SG.

[DAF86]

Comparing Murray to Parker does Murray no favors. He's not close to what Parker was almost immediately. Hell, after 2003 Finals we backed off a push to get Jason Kidd because it was clear we had our point guard already.

That's some revisionist history, tbh. If Pop could have got Kidd we would have got him, tbh. Having Tony didn't make a difference. Specially not after 2003, where Tony came up small when it mattered most.

[dabom]

That's some revisionist history, tbh. If Pop could have got Kidd we would have got him, tbh. Having Tony didn't make a difference. Specially not after 2003, where Tony came up small when it mattered most.

I thought Kidd was the one who said no because of his wife or something. :lol

[Vic Petro]

I thought Kidd was the one who said no because of his wife or something. :lol

This is accurate. Joumana was going to be famous and needed a major market.

[Slippy]

Hope the spurs keep DJ as starter once Tony gets back.

Showing alot of composure so far. The potential upside this kid offers on defense & as a scorer is just too much to ignore.

[Mr. Body]

That's some revisionist history, tbh. If Pop could have got Kidd we would have got him, tbh. Having Tony didn't make a difference. Specially not after 2003, where Tony came up small when it mattered most.

This is absolutely false.

[eric365]

Murray's going to the bench when TP comes back. Sorry folks; that's how it is.

I think Parker would agree to go the bench. he would have better stats versus crappy bench and it would help the team

Unfortunately the starting unit doesnt get into a good rythm with Mills. Especially the bigs
If Murray proves himself in the starting unit i think pop will put parker in the bench
Thenext issue will be to still give 20 min to Mills and 20 min to Parker and not be destroyed defensively by this extra small lineup

[Rob123]

Comparing Murray to Parker does Murray no favors. He's not close to what Parker was almost immediately. Hell, after 2003 Finals we backed off a push to get Jason Kidd because it was clear we had our point guard already.

WTF are you talking about? Jason Kidd said no to the Spurs we still wanted him badly at that point.

[BackHome]

Man Parker played professional ball his whole life while Murray just played one year of college. As far as Murray he sucked when he first got her but had some good games at end of season. He sucked in Pre Season but has played much better once this season started. He is a rebounding machine and is playing more controlled and not looking for his shot first. If he can continue to focus on defense the rebounding and steals should have him starting over Mills and Parker.

As far as Parker if he can come back healthy I like him playing with second group and I don’t think he would be upset with that. The biggest disappointment has been mills and I am a big fan of his. I am starting to see what some poster have expressed in that Mills can only be effective with Manu. Either way I really like what I have seen from Murray I like that he plays hard and seems to have bought into Pop play defense or don’t play. Yeah he will have his ups and downs but that comes with being young.

[Chinook]

This is absolutely false.

No. They went after Kidd in 2003, with the goal of playing Tony and Jason together as the starting back court. Kidd backed off, not the Spurs.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/spurs-gregg-popovich-wanted-both-jason-kidd-and-tony-parker-in-2003/

[Mr. Body]

No. They went after Kidd in 2003, with the goal of playing Tony and Jason together as the starting back court. Kidd backed off, not the Spurs.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/spurs-gregg-popovich-wanted-both-jason-kidd-and-tony-parker-in-2003/

Yes, because Kidd knew Parker was their point guard. The rest is revisionist. The team was debating either way but had no problem with Kidd moving away. It was the right choice and everyone on every side knew it.

Back to the topic: comparing Murray at this point to Parker is ridiculous. Parker was clearly the team's future point guard and Murray, at this point, is not.

[200 miles]

Yes, because Kidd knew Parker was their point guard. The rest is revisionist. The team was debating either way but had no problem with Kidd moving away. It was the right choice and everyone on every side knew it.

Back to the topic: comparing Murray at this point to Parker is ridiculous. Parker was clearly the team's future point guard and Murray, at this point, is not.
But he will be.

[bic50]

Yes, because Kidd knew Parker was their point guard. The rest is revisionist. The team was debating either way but had no problem with Kidd moving away. It was the right choice and everyone on every side knew it.

Back to the topic: comparing Murray at this point to Parker is ridiculous. Parker was clearly the team's future point guard and Murray, at this point, is not.
Murray is the future

[UZER]

With Murray's ability to rebound and speed, he needs to grab rebounds and go. Sure there are moments to slow it down, but he's got a little Russ in him and should take advantage of the skill.

Unlike Russ, it shouldn't get stupidly out of hand.

[Spurtacular]

I think Parker would agree to go the bench. he would have better stats versus crappy bench and it would help the team

Unfortunately the starting unit doesnt get into a good rythm with Mills. Especially the bigs
If Murray proves himself in the starting unit i think pop will put parker in the bench
Thenext issue will be to still give 20 min to Mills and 20 min to Parker and not be destroyed defensively by this extra small lineup

Tony Parker wouldn't agree to going to the bench; and Pop wouldn't likely even entertain the notion. Eventually, when TP is a big enough liability, they might come to that bridge.

[DAF86]

This is absolutely false.

Compelling argument for someone that had the entire forum contradicting his claim, tbh.

[cutewizard]

Yeah, the best people can hope for is that he takes Anderson's or Lauvergne's spot in the rotation.

Parker, Mills
Green, Murray
Leonard, Ginobili
Anderson, Gay
Aldridge, Gasol

I would like that very much.

Plus Bertans and Forbes waiting

[cutewizard]

Ppl seem to think Tony was this amazing PG when he was younger... He couldn't shoot, disappeared in playoff series, and was so bad in the 03 finals that he had to be replaced with speedy Claxton... But we stuck with him through his flaws and allowed him the chance to grow... Now we have a PG that has more raw talent and we don't want to give him the chance to grow because he isn't a star as yet... We rather lose in the playoffs for sure with an old Parker, while stunting Murray's growth

-----------------------------------

hope Murray reaches his potential

[TheGreatYacht]

We need to talk about his defense. Led the league in DBPM before tonight

Held Lowry to 3-11 from the field

[DAF86]

We need to talk about his defense. Led the league in DBPM before tonight

Held Lowry to 3-11 from the field tonight.

Having a PG with a 7 foot wingspan is huuuuge. No weak links outthere. When Patty got in, Raptors would immediately punish him on switches and left him all alone in an island with Derozan.

That's also why I get cancer everytime I hear folks talking about Dejounte playing at SG. Most of his strengths would banish outiside the PG position.

[NASpurs]

Of course Parker's ahead of schedule. He probably feels like he's being usurped.

[tholdren]

You would be neutralizing all of Murray's strenghts, playing him at SG.

I dont think so. Murray is a transition player. Would not want ball in his hands to make a smart play when needed or control clock while hanging to a small lead. Putting up some impressive numbers so far.

[TheGreatYacht]

Having a PG with a 7 foot wingspan is huuuuge. No weak links outthere. When Patty got in, Raptors would immediately punish him on switches and left him all alone in an island with Derozan.

That's also why I get cancer everytime I hear folks talking about Dejounte playing at SG. Most of his strengths would banish outiside the PG position.
Great post.

I'd rather see Parker-Mills lineups instead. They were great in the playoffs.

[Mr. Body]

Compelling argument for someone that had the entire forum contradicting his claim, tbh.

Compelling rebuttal.

[DAF86]

I dont think so. Murray is a transition player. Would not want ball in his hands to make a smart play when needed or control clock while hanging to a small lead. Putting up some impressive numbers so far.


Having a PG with a 7 foot wingspan is huuuuge. No weak links outthere. When Patty got in, Raptors would immediately punish him on switches and left him all alone in an island with Derozan.

That's also why I get cancer everytime I hear folks talking about Dejounte playing at SG. Most of his strengths would banish outiside the PG position.

[DAF86]

Compelling rebuttal.

I'm not the one that made a statement that got contradicted by the rest of the forum, tbh.

[tholdren]

What would "banish"?

[Mr. Body]

I'm not the one that made a statement that got contradicted by the rest of the forum, tbh.

I don't even know where that thread is anymore. Whatever. I was living in New York at the time and know what was being discussed in the local media. Everyone knew Parker was the Spurs PG of the future. Maybe the team was still considering getting Kidd at some point but it was clear he would be redundant.

This forum loves to bring up the Speedy Claxton game but it was just one game. TP was clearly going to be a star. Fuck, only four years later he won the Finals MVP and nobody could stop him.

[DAF86]

What would "banish"?

For the team, the ability to not have a single weak link on defense. Murray is leading the league in defensive efficiency because when he's out there, opposing teams just don't have anywhere to attack the Spurs D. That would go away playing Murray next to Tony or Patty.

Then, he wouldn't be able to win individual battles for rebounds as often as he does playing against opposing SG's.

An finally, until Murray develops a jumper it makes no sense to play him off ball.

So, you would be fucking up the three things he excells at: defense, rebounding and his surprising attacks to the basket when he brings the ball up.

[spursistan]

Really hope Parker takes his time to comeback, tbh..

[jermaine]

Really hope Parker takes his time to comeback, tbh..

Would you!?! Watching Murray doing what he's doing, would you take your time??

[TheGreatYacht]

Lebron on Murray's IG post:
Way to work lil bro!! Continue to build off that. #striveforgreatness #klutch

922659832922099712

[MaNu4Tres]

For the team, the ability to not have a single weak link on defense. Murray is leading the league in defensive efficiency because when he's out there, opposing teams just don't have anywhere to attack the Spurs D. That would go away playing Murray next to Tony or Patty.

Then, he wouldn't be able to win individual battles for rebounds as often as he does playing against opposing SG's.

An finally, until Murray develops a jumper it makes no sense to play him off ball.

So, you would be fucking up the three things he excells at: defense, rebounding and his surprising attacks to the basket when he brings the ball up.

This.

I dont get why some want to move him to SG either. I elaborated on this topic last year.

[TheGreatYacht]

922670932560351233

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Rich Paul already in RC's ear about that max extension :lol

[duncan2k5]

Him playing SG is silly...allow him to develop as a PG where his strengths lie...when he gets more pg instincts, he will be even better...Good god i swear Tony has multiple burner accounts on here

[Chinook]

Danny Green is the key to Murray having the advantages people want him to have. Danny has to be good enough to where you can't hide PGs on him. It doesn't matter if DeJounte "plays" PG or SG. He'll be guarded by wings if he keeps up the offensive production. And he should learn the two, because he won't be the functional one with Kawhi back anyway.

[SAGirl]

This.

I dont get why some want to move him to SG either. I elaborated on this topic last year.
I assume they don't want a pet favorite player to lose minutes or a role. What you said made sense as well as DAF86 above. If there was previously a question about whether he could play the PG position (due to carelessness with the basketball or other concerns ppl had), it's been banished with this showing. The team is winning with him at that spot. I bet if you played Mills/Murray instead of Murray/Danny they wouldn't be doing so well.

[SAGirl]

Danny Green is the key to Murray having the advantages people want him to have. Danny has to be good enough to where you can't hide PGs on him. It doesn't matter if DeJounte "plays" PG or SG. He'll be guarded by wings if he keeps up the offensive production. And he should learn the two, because he won't be the functional one with Kawhi back anyway.
good point. I was just replying to Manu4tres about this in a different fashion but it's the same point. The pairing with Danny is the best. It's going to be difficult for size to neutralize him bc he has all the tools, aside from his size, he has quickness and shiftiness, and on top of that has length. I don't think being guarded by a SG for him would be a problem at all, he's also put on strength, its very noticeable in comparison to last season. But he's so much better at this point as a PG, it's not a debate. he's much better as a PG than Patty too, and when Tony comes back he will have a challenge as well.

[dabom]

Danny Green is the key to Murray having the advantages people want him to have. Danny has to be good enough to where you can't hide PGs on him. It doesn't matter if DeJounte "plays" PG or SG. He'll be guarded by wings if he keeps up the offensive production. And he should learn the two, because he won't be the functional one with Kawhi back anyway.

Don't try to make it seem like DM relies on DG. :lol

[dabom]

It's the other way around. :lol

[SAGirl]

Rich Paul already in RC's ear about that max extension :lol
Rich Paul does know how to pick em...

[Chinook]

Don't try to make it seem like DM relies on DG. :lol

DM being guarded by the worst perimeter defender indeed relies on DG being too good for that defender. A worse Green will get Durant on Murray rather than Steph. This we've known for years.

[dabom]

DM being guarded by the worst perimeter defender indeed relies on DG being too good for that defender. A worse Green will get Durant on Murray rather than Steph. This we've known for years.

DM already is the tougher guard if he keeps this up. No one is stopping the other team from putting better defenders on DM since he is the creator of offense and can get his buckets.

[Chinook]

DM already is the tougher guard if he keeps this up. No one is stopping the other team from putting better defenders on DM since he is the creator of offense and can get his buckets.

Murray is not the creator of offense, and he's only been getting his buckets for three games, with sporadic results before. Teams don't adjust their gameplans that quickly for the regular season, which is why it took years for them to start prioritizing Green when he shots well and still years for them to stop doing it when his shot fell off.

If Murray keeps playing well, he'll see a wing in the playoffs, and all these folks bitching about him playing the two will see it doesn't really matter. But if Green can keep doing to PGs what he did to Lowry, teams will be forced to play Murray straight-up. That same trade-off has been the case since the semis in 2013.

[dabom]

Murray is not the creator of offense, and he's only been getting his buckets for three games, with sporadic results before. Teams don't adjust their gameplans that quickly for the regular season, which is why it took years for them to start prioritizing Green when he shots well and still years for them to stop doing it when his shot fell off.

If Murray keeps playing well, he'll see a wing in the playoffs, and all these folks bitching about him playing the two will see it doesn't really matter. But if Green can keep doing to PGs what he did to Lowry, teams will before forced to play Murray straight-up. That same trade-off has been the case since the semis in 2013.

Not all passes lead to assist. He is creating offense out there. Only a few people can see this. And the teams do change quickly. Dedman was a decent player till they scouted him a month and a half later.

[Chinook]

Not all passes lead to assist. He is creating offense out there. Only a few people can see this. And the teams do change quickly. Dedman was a decent player till they scouted him a month and a half later.

Murray does his part, but he's not the HOTS or anything (by that I mean the literal acronym, not Parker). Most teams aren't going to react too quickly, which is why Murray has been played by worse defenders than Green has so far. Most coaches gameplan to stop Green from shooting, and if they do it right, they can stop him with a bad defender if that defender plays disciplined D. However, a Green that posts up, takes guys off the dribble and fires good passes requires a better guy.

In 2013, Green was checked by Steph until Game 3 when he dominated Curry on the boards and beat him up on screens. It forced them to switch Klay off Tony, because their first option was getting wrecked on both ends and eventually went out with injury. A similar thing has to happen to give Murray favorable match-ups. Sure, he may be good enough to score regardless, but that's a different debate.

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Murray does his part, but he's not the HOTS or anything (by that I mean the literal acronym, not Parker). Most teams aren't going to react too quickly, which is why Murray has been played by worse defenders than Green has so far. Most coaches gameplan to stop Green from shooting, and if they do it right, they can stop him with a bad defender if that defender plays disciplined D. However, a Green that posts up, takes guys off the dribble and fires good passes requires a better guy.

In 2013, Green was checked by Steph until Game 3 when he dominated Curry on the boards and beat him up on screens. It forced them to switch Klay off Tony, because their first option was getting wrecked on both ends and eventually went out with injury. A similar thing has to happen to give Murray favorable match-ups. Sure, he may be good enough to score regardless, but that's a different debate.


The first will not happen consistently. That ship sailed long time ago. DM can give DG more room though to shoot 3s. That is a fact.

The second being that HOTS in his prime always had a tougher assignment than DG. Like all the fucking time. 1 or 2 games doesn't cut it. :lol

[Chinook]

The first will not happen consistently. That ship sailed long time ago. DM can give DG more room though to shoot 3s. That is a fact.

It is obviously mutually beneficial for them both to play well in their roles. Green getting something out of it (predictable offense) doesn't negate what he offers (offense the D has to gameplan around).


The second being that HOTS in his prime always had a tougher assignment than DG. Like all the fucking time. 1 or 2 games doesn't cut it. :lol

LDN Green and Prime Parker were only together for two years. It's hard to determine who drew tougher assignments in most of those series. Like Lebron guarded Green for the most part in 2013, though he checked Tony at critical moments to start the series. By the end that series, the Heat were so focused on Green that they stopped guarding Kawhi. Memphis that same year had Conley and Allen, two good defenders to the point that it didn't make a difference who guarded whom. In the WCSF, you had what I had described earlier. And who cares about the LAL series? In 2014, Green had wings for the Finals and WCF while Tony had PGs. The Blazers switched around a lot, but they didn't hide Lillard on Danny. And in the first round, they had two small guards (Calderon and Ellis, I think), so it didn't matter.

Of course, if Tony really did get the defensive priority despite Green being the best option for the Spurs in terms of PPP, then that only underscores my original point about how slow teams are to adjust to shifts in offensive priority.

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It is obviously mutually beneficial for them both to play well in their roles. Green getting something out of it (predictable offense) doesn't negate what he offers (offense the D has to gameplan around).



LDN Green and Prime Parker were only together for two years. It's hard to determine who drew tougher assignments in most of those series. Like Lebron guarded Green for the most part in 2013, though he checked Tony at critical moments to start the series. By the end that series, the Heat were so focused on Green that they stopped guarding Kawhi. Memphis that same year had Conley and Allen, two good defenders to the point that it didn't make a difference who guarded whom. In the WCSF, you had what I had described earlier. And who cares about the LAL series? In 2014, Green had wings for the Finals and WCF while Tony had PGs. The Blazers switched around a lot, but they didn't hide Lillard on Danny. And in the first round, they had two small guards (Calderon and Ellis, I think), so it didn't matter.

Of course, if Tony really did get the defensive priority despite Green being the best option for the Spurs in terms of PPP, then that only underscores my original point about how slow teams are to adjust to shifts in offensive priority.

Is this Fake news or some shit. Parker was a MVP candidate twice, at no point ever did Green become a more game-planned player than MVParker in his prime and certainly not the 2013 playoffs/finals. :lol

[Chinook]

Is this Fake news or some shit. Parker was a MVP candidate twice, at no point ever did Green become a more game-planned player than MVParker in his prime and certainly not the 2013 playoffs/finals. :lol

You really think the Heat didn't eventually make stopping Green their top priority in 2013?

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You really think the Heat didn't eventually make stopping Green their top priority in 2013?

They increased his priority, but it was still stop Parker at all costs. Do you watch basketball dude? :lol