Tony Parker out for this season, AND maybe next season.

[MaNu4Tres]

If early reports are true that Tony suffered a ruptured quadricep tendon, Tony could be out up to 12 months...

That's going to change a lot this summer. And could change a lot for 2018. No way Spurs give Parker another deal worth significant money coming off this injury going on 36 years old.

Treatment

The treatment of most quadriceps and patella tendon ruptures is surgery within 4 weeks after the injury. These tendons rarely heal on their own, and surgery is needed to put the ends of the tendon together. The surgery is usually an outpatient procedure under general or regional anesthesia. An incision is made on the front of the knee and heavy, non breakable sutures are used to repair the ruptured tendon to the patella.

After the surgery, it typically takes between 6 and 8 weeks for the tendon to heal. During that time, the knee is kept straight in a brace for a majority of the time to allow the repair to heal without stretching out. Once the surgeon has determined that the repair is healed, physical therapy begins in order to regain motion of the knee and strength in the quadriceps.

Over time, patients with quadriceps and patella ruptures regain their motion and strength and can return to sports and regular activities. It can often take up to a year for patients to fully recover from this difficult injury.

[Phenomanul]

:depressed :depressed :depressed :depressed :depressed

[bklynspursfan]

I dont think he was getting significant $ either way honestly. But if true (could be a partial tear) it'll change some things for sure

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The way I saw it, I think there's a bit of hope it wasn't ruptured, but a partial tear - you don't need MRI to diagnose a ruptured quad tendon - there's a hole above the knee cap where the tendon had been. I'd think if they saw this they wouldn't have allowed him to try to stand up and walk? They may do MRi regardless, of course, but usually MRi is needed to see the severity of the tear.

[MaNu4Tres]

Its ruptured...

[ducks]

Jeff McDonald‏Verified account @JMcDonald_SAEN · 3m3 minutes ago

Spurs announce it: MRI reveals ruptured left quadriceps tendon for Tony Parker. He will miss the remainder of the playoffs.

[Chinook]

I've said it in another thread, but I'll repeat it here:

The Spurs won't get cap relief if Parker is injured for all of next season. But they could possibly get financial relief from insurance (not exactly sure how that works for post-season injuries) and a cap exception equal to somewhere between $7-8 Million. Not sure if the league would allow the exception, since it's not obviously that Parker can't come back between December and February, as the initial timetable suggests. Obviously, it behooves the team to apply for that exception on July 1.

Good news is, with the expanded rosters, the team can afford to carry a fourth PG. Now they just need to find a first, second and third PG.

[Robz4000]

I've said it in another thread, but I'll repeat it here:

The Spurs won't get cap relief if Parker is injured for all of next season. But they could possibly get financial relief from insurance (not exactly sure how that works for post-season injuries) and a cap exception equal to somewhere between $7-8 Million. Not sure if the league would allow the exception, since it's not obviously that Parker can't come back between December and February, as the initial timetable suggests. Obviously, it behooves the team to apply for that exception on July 1.

Good news is, with the expanded rosters, the team can afford to carry a fourth PG. Now they just need to find a first, second and third PG.

With Parker being out and there being no outright choice for starting PG the Spurs prolly become a more desirable destination for PGs.

[MaNu4Tres]

I've said it in another thread, but I'll repeat it here:

The Spurs won't get cap relief if Parker is injured for all of next season. But they could possibly get financial relief from insurance (not exactly sure how that works for post-season injuries) and a cap exception equal to somewhere between $7-8 Million. Not sure if the league would allow the exception, since it's not obviously that Parker can't come back between December and February, as the initial timetable suggests. Obviously, it behooves the team to apply for that exception on July 1.

Good news is, with the expanded rosters, the team can afford to carry a fourth PG. Now they just need to find a first, second and third PG.

Murray will probably be the 2nd PG, Forbes could be the 4th.

Need to def go after an affordable PG now, and that could be Patty on a discount.

Patty, Murray, vet PG min, Forbes.

There's Teague, Jrue, Collison as well.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Hinook,

What if he retired due to medical? Does his salary come off the cap for next season?

Alternatively, could they buy him out, then resign him in summer 2018 if he is able to make it back.

[SAGirl]

I
Good news is, with the expanded rosters, the team can afford to carry a fourth PG. Now they just need to find a first, second and third PG.
the silver lining!
sorry I had to have some humor in this.:depressed

[Chinook]

Hinook,

What if he retired due to medical? Does his salary come off the cap for next season?

Alternatively, could they buy him out, then resign him in summer 2018 if he is able to make it back.

Nah to your first point. The guy has to be out at least a year before you get salary relief.

To your second, they could buy him out, but why would you take less if you were Tony? If the Spurs really wanted to get cap, they could stretch him. That would create more than $10 Million in space, but it would also ruin any real plan for 2018 cap space. Not exactly a horrible prospect, though for reasons I've talked about previously.

Parker could also be traded. Assuming he misses the season, Parker's insurance should cover $6.2 Million of his salary, which means a team can get rid of a $20.6-Million player and only have to pay $9.3 Million. That does have a fair bit of value, though I can't currently think of a good candidate for that type of deal. In any event, it would make it easier to salary dump him since the opposing team would only be on the hook for 60 percent of the money.

[Mal]

He`s probably done as a player. He`s decline was always about his athletism not being at same level. I don`t think he`ll be NBA point guard after one year of rehabilition at age 36.

[Mal]

Parker could also be traded. Assuming he misses the season, Parker's insurance should cover $6.2 Million of his salary, which means a team can get rid of a $20.6-Million player and only have to pay $9.3 Million. That does have a fair bit of value, though I can't currently think of a good candidate for that type of deal. In any event, it would make it easier to salary dump him since the opposing team would only be on the hook for 60 percent of the money.

Only 20 mil salary that is on trade block for cap relief is Carmelo Anthony

[TheGreatYacht]

Teams take in salary dumps all the time. Bogut, Dick Jefferson, Hibbert, Splitter, Landry, etc

Nets, Sixers, Kings, and the Knicks will be some candidates.

That being said, I don't see it at all.

[Robz4000]

Fuck it, if Tony is thinking retirement after this I'm for trading his contract for Melo. This is his last season on that contract too.

[boutons_deux]

Here's some gruesome reading about the unpredictability of repaired (triceps) tendons

http://eorthopod.com/news/a-rare-but-important-tendon-injury/

I suppose it applies to any ruptured tendon

[TampaDude]

Should be plenty of PGs the Spurs can pick up in the offseason. IMHO Parker is done and will retire.

[TampaDude]

Fuck it, if Tony is thinking retirement after this I'm for trading his contract for Melo. This is his last season on that contract too.

We would probably be his best shot at a ring, too.

[boutons_deux]

Melo? :lol Cancerous LOSER

[apalisoc_9]

All of a sudden San Antonio becomes a desirable destination for PGs and SGs.

Those guys just know they're getting monutes with Manu and Parker out. With the strong possibility of winning 55+ again and a potential second All-Star in the team.

Guards would be making a huge mistake not sgining here for a discount.

[TampaDude]

Melo? :lol Cancerous LOSER

We said the same thing about Dick, and look at him now.

[apalisoc_9]

Also, With Parker out. Aldridge becomes an even bigger trade possibility.

[NASpurs]

I'm sure the Spurs will do their due dilligence and talk with CP3 probably George Hill too but unless Patty gets an absurd offer, the likelihood that he'll return next year just increased dramatically while Murray is going to be further groomed unless Pop decides to throw him to the sharks. Patty is going to be relatively cheaper than any of those other guys. They'll probably sign some Euro PG as third stringer. Parker is still going to be on the books and will play next year it seems like. Whether or not he'll be effective, that's another question especially considering the type of injury he's coming back from and his age.

[HarlemHeat37]

We said the same thing about Dick, and look at him now.

An 8th or 9th man? :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Fuck it, if Tony is thinking retirement after this I'm for trading his contract for Melo. This is his last season on that contract too.
Only realistic option tbh. Phil would probably want Danny to go in the package. Not exactly a winning player, but its better than having no TP at all next season.

Next would be trading Aldridge to Boston for Avery Bradley or Marcus Smart. They need a PF (:lol starting Amir Johnson and Gerald Green) and have too many guards knowing they'll draft another one in the draft.

Melo would help our chances in landing CP3.

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[SAGirl]

He`s probably done as a player. He`s decline was always about his athletism not being at same level. I don`t think he`ll be NBA point guard after one year of rehabilition at age 36.
Yea... that is my concern too.
Also, that he doesn't retire while not being an NBA PG anymore. His future is very uncertain.

[TampaDude]

An 8th or 9th man? :lol

And doing better on the Cavs than he ever did on the Spurs.

[BatManu20]

Hope he defies all odds and proves us wrong and is playing in next year's playoffs, however unlikely. He was playing really well these playoffs and has had too good a career to go out like this. Get well soon Frenchie. Next man up.

[TampaDude]

Parker is done.

[bic50]

Hope he defines odds and proves us all wrong and is playing in next year's playoffs. He was playing really well these playoffs and has had too good a career to go out like this. Get well soon Frenchie.
Parker is likely done and will retire.

[hater]

Did someone say Melo????

:lmao :lol

Holeee sheeet

That would immediately ruin Kawhis career

[hater]

Buy out Parker and get CP3

[BatManu20]

Parker is likely done and will retire.

Probably. But here's to hoping.

[TampaDude]

Buy out Parker and get CP3

WERD...CP3 will finally get his ring with Da Spurz.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's a massive blow for this series, since Parker had been playing so well, but it's probably good news for next season, tbh..it'll force Pop to use Murray immediately to begin the season, since the alternatives will be scarce IMO..

[Hoops Czar]

Buy out Parker and get CP3

Spurs didn't draft Murray so he could play off the bench for the next 5+ years. Dream on.

[PopTheGOAT]

It really sucks and I feel bad for Tony. He was playing great in these playoffs. I hate to say this, but the best thing for the team at this point would be his retirement. He won't retire, though. I don't blame him either. However, his chances of becoming a starter level PG again is slim to none, tbh.

[TampaDude]

Spurs didn't draft Murray so he could play off the bench for the heads extra 5+ years. Dream on.

Well, then, it's time for Pop to turn him loose.

[Horse]

Fuck it, if Tony is thinking retirement after this I'm for trading his contract for Melo. This is his last season on that contract too.

Why? He's like a smaller LMA

[TheRemix]

Parker should retire..It just sucks because pop had him resting and was very careful with his minutes this season. His body can no longer take his style of play..

[Robz4000]

Why? He's like a smaller LMA

In the scenario they get him they move LMA for a guard and cap relief with Melo moving to PF. He'd be another ball stopper but unlike LMA he can dribble.

[TampaDude]

Why? He's like a smaller LMA

Their career stats say otherwise.

[Hoops Czar]

Well, then, it's time for Pop to turn him loose.

That's pretty much it. Nobody is going to come in and save the Spurs. They don't have the money to sign a player like CP3. They'll have to make do with what they got.

[hater]

Their career stats say otherwise.

At least Marsha won a playoff series on their own, has Melo won anything worth a shit

Probably worst playoff choker in recent times

[TampaDude]

That's pretty much it. Nobody is going to come in and save the Spurs. They don't have the money to sign a player like CP3. They'll have to make do with what they got.

Yup...nothing to lose at this point.

[Chinook]

PG moves ahead of Dedmon for priority with the MLE. Could see Collison maybe going for that, but no other starter in the US. Maybe Teodosic makes sense after all, though I don't really consider him a starter.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm not a fan of any FA PG for 2018, tbh..Paul isn't coming and I don't want max money for an aging PG like George Hill..

Hopefully Patty signs a value deal and Murray is ready to start, next year(too early to be a 30 minute starter, but he could split minutes with Mills, ideally)..the key will be finding a Manu replacement who can be an alternative for Green when he's struggling + a SG/SF who won't be a liability on defense..

[gambit1990]

been wanting shaun livingston.

[ElNono]

I'm not a fan of any FA PG for 2018, tbh..Paul isn't coming and I don't want max money for an aging PG like George Hill..

Hopefully Patty signs a value deal and Murray is ready to start, next year(too early to be a 30 minute starter, but he could split minutes with Mills, ideally)..the key will be finding a Manu replacement who can be an alternative for Green when he's struggling + a SG/SF who won't be a liability on defense..

Pop loves fat PGs, tbh... Lowry might be in play...

[SASdynasty!]

Getting injured at the end of your career has to be a blessing for some of these guys. As long as it's not something that is lifelong, it probably gives these guys a good breaking point. With TD, the slow fade was tough (even though he led the league in DRPM his last season, unbelievable tbh). But you know he wanted to keep playing and not go out on a second round loss.

That said, really wish TD would have played this year and (as it worked out) have the big 3 retire together. How epic would that have been?

[HarlemHeat37]

Pop loves fat PGs, tbh... Lowry might be in play...

Raptors will pay him whatever he wants, tbh..gotta keep selling tickets and give the fans false hope based on the RS:lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The sneaky (and more affordable) play would be to get Livingston. Let him start until Murray is ready, gives us perimeter scoring and creativity, and weakens GS.

If somehow you could pull Livingston and Redick this offseason, you'd have a lot more weapons to support Kawhi.

[apalisoc_9]

Raptors will pay him whatever he wants, tbh..gotta keep selling tickets and give the fans false hope based on the RS:lol

I was in Toronto a month ago and the Rap hype wasn't at the same level it was a year ago or even two years ago. I think it's dying down. Would have been worst if the leafs won their series too.

[Raven]

fuck

[DPG21920]

This f*cking sucks. Let's see if there's a sliver lining with time.

[gospursgojas]

Tony should retire, rehab a year, come back to play in Europe and make bank based on his name and lower level competition.

[apalisoc_9]

This f*cking sucks. Let's see if there's a sliver lining with time.

If Murray is as good as we want him to be, The spurs would be gold. Not only do they get a great player but also 3 more years of cheap contract.

I think the spurs are going to aggressively look for a Wing that can put the ball down next year..Specifically a SG.

[TheGreatYacht]

If Murray is as good as we want him to be, The spurs would be gold. Not only do they get a great player but also 3 more years of cheap contract.

I think the spurs are going to aggressively look for a Wing that can put the ball down next year..Specifically a SG.
That Lou Williams trade for a late first round pick stings more and more. So many options at the deadline and we signed Joel Anthony

[DPG21920]

Tony should retire, rehab a year, come back to play in Europe and make bank based on his name and lower level competition.

TP was shitting on elite NBA players with time to actually game plan for him. Why would he go to Europe?

[bklynspursfan]

TP was shitting on elite NBA players with time to actually game plan for him. Why would he go to Europe?

Seriously... people saying he should / will retire? I think he's gotta see what recovery looks like. The way he played in the playoffs, no way should he be thinking retirement, regardless of how many people on here want that

[UZER]

Pop loves fat PGs, tbh... Lowry might be in play...

Welcome to SA, Raymond Felton.

[Chillen]

Fuck it, if Tony is thinking retirement after this I'm for trading his contract for Melo. This is his last season on that contract too.

Holy crap that is brilliant. I hope the Spurs FO wold have the balls to do it I think they will remain loyal but Melo and Leonard would be huge offensively for this team. Parker would understand if they did this with Pop coaching they want to remain a contender. Knicks would take Parker for cap relief just to rid of Melo.

[SAGirl]

That said, really wish TD would have played this year and (as it worked out) have the big 3 retire together. How epic would that have been?
Too sad to even bear for Pop and RC... too much to replace in just one season too. Epic vs. desirable, two different things.

[Chillen]

Did someone say Melo????

:lmao :lol

Holeee sheeet

That would immediately ruin Kawhis career

Oh come on now.

[baseline bum]

I'm not a fan of any FA PG for 2018, tbh..Paul isn't coming and I don't want max money for an aging PG like George Hill..

Hopefully Patty signs a value deal and Murray is ready to start, next year(too early to be a 30 minute starter, but he could split minutes with Mills, ideally)..the key will be finding a Manu replacement who can be an alternative for Green when he's struggling + a SG/SF who won't be a liability on defense..

Fuck, I didn't know Hill is already 31 years old. He's only a year younger than CP3.

[HarlemHeat37]

Fuck, I didn't know Hill is already 31 years old. He's only a year younger than CP3.

Ya, as much as Hill has improved since leaving the Spurs, he's still a mediocre ball-handler(for a PG) who doesn't really run an offense at a high level(masked on Utah because they have a variety of players with ball-handling skills)..his game probably won't translate well with age compared to somebody like Chris Paul(I don't want him either, though)..

[Poolboy5623]

My biggest concern(moving forward), is TP tries to make a big comeback and the Spurs are then delayed in replacing him. I don't think he'll just retire...not with the way he was paying. But imo this needs to be he and Manus last seasons.

[cd021]

TP was shitting on elite NBA players with time to actually game plan for him. Why would he go to Europe?

Big difference between 34 year old Parker and 35 Year old Parker post Ruptured tendon. May be nowhere near as good as he looked in the PS.

[HarlemHeat37]

Parker has been ridiculous in the playoffs, but it would be foolish for the Spurs to rely on him, going forward IMO..

You can't ignore that he played horribly for most of the RS..the Spurs can't build a team with the thought process of banking on Parker turning it on in the playoffs after struggling for most of the 82 game season:lol that would be a very irresponsible way of building a team..

[MaNu4Tres]

Ya, as much as Hill has improved since leaving the Spurs, he's still a mediocre ball-handler(for a PG) who doesn't really run an offense at a high level(masked on Utah because they have a variety of players with ball-handling skills)..his game probably won't translate well with age compared to somebody like Chris Paul(I don't want him either, though)..

100%

I think committing 20+ mil/per on Hill, Lowry would be a massive mistake.

I also don't like committing 35 mil/per on 32 yr old CP3 either. Spurs would be paying max money for the years he regresses.

[Hoops Czar]

100%

I think committing 20+ mil/per on Hill, Lowry would be a massive mistake.

I also don't like committing 35 mil/per on 32 yr old CP3 either. Spurs would be paying max money for the years he regresses.

You're in luck, the Spurs couldn't afford a pot to piss in this offseason if Pau opts in and all indications are that he will.

[will_spurs]

Big difference between 34 year old Parker and 35 Year old Parker post Ruptured tendon. May be nowhere near as good as he looked in the PS.

I think he'll record another rap album before even considering playing in Europe. This is nonsense.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Seriously... people saying he should / will retire? I think he's gotta see what recovery looks like. The way he played in the playoffs, no way should he be thinking retirement, regardless of how many people on here want that

At the same time, everyone thinking he'll magically be able to come back from this injury and play at the same level is kidding themselves. This is a tough injury to come back from for anyone at any age, and he'd be almost 36 at the point of his return, playing a position demanding the most quickness and mobility in the game of basketball.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If people are already thinking about FA point guards this summer, Spurs could do a lot worse than looking west to Oakland. And I'm not talking about Curry.

[HarlemHeat37]

100%

I think committing 20+ mil/per on Hill, Lowry would be a massive mistake.

I also don't like committing 35 mil/per on 32 yr old CP3 either. Spurs would be paying max money for the years he regresses.

The options are scarce for playmakers, tbh..none of the impending FAs are really worth pursuing(not to mention Spurs will have limited flexibility if Gasol opts in and Aldridge doesn't get moved)..

Even looking at the list of wings, the playmaking options(Manu replacement) are limited, too..Tyreke Evans is the best the Spurs could do, but he'll be too expensive..

It's very likely that Patty returns and Murray is the other PG/SG..

[Hoops Czar]

If people are already thinking about FA point guards this summer, Spurs could do a lot worse than looking west to Oakland. And I'm not talking about Curry.
The draft is the Spurs best friend right now.

[apalisoc_9]

Any thoughts on Bledsoe?

I watched him play this year, twice

How do the spurs get their hand on a player that cheap of the caliber..

Maybe he sucks now though.

I know my nigga Kawhistorm was a big Brandon Knight guy :lol..

I'm sure you can get Brandon Knight for a box of keelnex.

[Mal]

On reddit guys are writing that if Parker retire due to injury, he can be waived, paid, but this won`t count against salary. Is that true ? Seems like best case scenario for Spurs, tbh

[SAGirl]

Parker has been ridiculous in the playoffs, but it would be foolish for the Spurs to rely on him, going forward IMO..

You can't ignore that he played horribly for most of the RS..the Spurs can't build a team with the thought process of banking on Parker turning it on in the playoffs after struggling for most of the 82 game season:lol that would be a very irresponsible way of building a team..
Not only that. He was injured a lot through the season, just different things and at times his poor play was a reflection of him playing through nags at which time Pop would sit him, or him coming out of rhythm and playing shape after having to sit to rest his body. It was the least minutes he has played/averaged and the least he had produced since his rook season I think.

We all had doubts his body would hold up. He was looking done, the talk about him wasn't an exaggeration (except the trolls, they always exaggerate). In retrospect he was sparing his body, and soem games he was out of rhythm after coming back from injuries, but it's clear the necessary speed he needs to play his game puts a strain on his body at this point that will make him too injury prone to be relied upon moving forward (and that is assuming he returns in a playable state... reminders of Kobe come to mind for example).

[HarlemHeat37]

Any thoughts on Bledsoe?

I watched him play this year, twice

How do the spurs get their hand on a player that cheap of the caliber..

Maybe he sucks now though.

I know my nigga Kawhistorm was a big Brandon Knight guy :lol..

I'm sure you can get Brandon Knight for a box of keelnex.

My guy Kawhistorm didn't have a good season, tbh:lol not his best work..

[Mal]

The draft is the Spurs best friend right now.

You can`t find gem, that will start at PG and produce at 29th in the draft.

[gambit1990]

At the same time, everyone thinking he'll magically be able to come back from this injury and play at the same level is kidding themselves. This is a tough injury to come back from for anyone at any age, and he'd be almost 36 at the point of his return, playing a position demanding the most quickness and mobility in the game of basketball.
this so much.

[apalisoc_9]

I'm just watching Jordan Bell Highlights right now. I'll probably get fired for posting on Spurstalk all day on my phone...:lol

but I know Manu4tres is a huge fan.

Seems like a Draymond Green Kinda player.

[Hoops Czar]

You can`t find gem, that will start at PG and produce at 29th in the draft.

I don't have confidence in RC buford either but, Isaiah Thomas says hello.

[Poolboy5623]

You can`t find gem, that will start at PG and produce at 29th in the draft.

The Bucks sure did..

[Hoops Czar]

this so much.

He can't come back and be the worst PG in the league again? So all your posts about Parker's ineptitude and on court production and replacing him with a hobbit was total BS after all.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I was in Toronto a month ago and the Rap hype wasn't at the same level it was a year ago or even two years ago. I think it's dying down. Would have been worst if the leafs won their series too.

I think Lowry's injury at the time really took the wind out of the Raptors sails. That, and having to face Cleveland earlier than last season has crushed momentum from the fans.

And like you said, I'm sure the Leafs being in the playoffs and part of a great series took away some of the attention from the Raptors.

[Mal]

I don't have confidence in RC buford either but, Isaiah Thomas says hello.

It took couple years for Thomas. Spurs already have development PG.


The Bucks sure did..

Yeah, they did. But this year, late 1st round, early 2nd only PG that could be this gem is Jawun Evans from Oklahoma State.

[tmtcsc]

Tony should call it a career. Even though he was playing better the last few weeks, his overall decline was happening quickly. I have no idea what Pop had in mind with Murray / TP for 2018 but this certainly expedites things for the rookie. I don't think he's ready now and probably won't be next year either but I know the coaching staff loves his potential. -- They think he's going to be a star for the team.

[SpursforSix]

Ya, as much as Hill has improved since leaving the Spurs, he's still a mediocre ball-handler(for a PG) who doesn't really run an offense at a high level(masked on Utah because they have a variety of players with ball-handling skills)..his game probably won't translate well with age compared to somebody like Chris Paul(I don't want him either, though)..

Yeah...Hill is not any kind of realistic option. It'd be another old player who's pretty good. I'd rather break the bank on Paul if they're going to go that route. Which I hope they don't.

[MaNu4Tres]

The options are scarce for playmakers, tbh..none of the impending FAs are really worth pursuing(not to mention Spurs will have limited flexibility if Gasol opts in and Aldridge doesn't get moved)..

Even looking at the list of wings, the playmaking options(Manu replacement) are limited, too..Tyreke Evans is the best the Spurs could do, but he'll be too expensive..

It's very likely that Patty returns and Murray is the other PG/SG..

There's no quick fix that can get the Spurs on the level of the Warriors. Spurs just have to be solid in the draft, through outside the box Free Agents, and development. I'd just start loading up w/ two way prospects or two way players with length that can play both ends.

I'd start looking at young mobile bigs that can defend in space and that are proficient in PnR diving/finishing.

For instance, I'd flip Anderson for a 2nd in 2018.

Maybe trade 29th down to 33 and 35. Target Jordan Bell, DJ Wilson, Josh Hart, Wesley Iwundu.


I think it will take a few years to get there. But I think Spurs need to acquire more players w/ length that have two way capabilities that can give them the versatility on both ends.

[mo7888]

There's no quick fix that can get the Spurs on the level of the Warriors. Spurs just have to be solid in the draft, through outside the box Free Agents, and development. I'd just start loading up w/ two way prospects or two way players with length that can play both ends.

I'd start looking at young mobile bigs that can defend in space and that are proficient in PnR diving/finishing.

For instance, I'd flip Anderson for a 2nd in 2018.

Maybe trade 29th down to 33 and 35. Target Jordan Bell, DJ Wilson, Josh Hart, Wesley Iwundu.

Then trade LA for a prospect, two way wing and a 1st.

Trading LA for Bledsoe + pick ?.I'd rather have Bledsoe than Mills.. tbh.

I think it will take a few years to get there. But I think Spurs need to acquire more players w/ length that have two way capabilities that can give them the versatility on both ends.

Pretty much agree with all of that. I especially like the idea of trading LA for Bledsoe and a pick. I'd like to see us get Bender in a trade with Phx.

[SpursforSix]

There's no quick fix that can get the Spurs on the level of the Warriors. Spurs just have to be solid in the draft, through outside the box Free Agents, and development. I'd just start loading up w/ two way prospects or two way players with length that can play both ends.

I'd start looking at young mobile bigs that can defend in space and that are proficient in PnR diving/finishing.

For instance, I'd flip Anderson for a 2nd in 2018.

Maybe trade 29th down to 33 and 35. Target Jordan Bell, DJ Wilson, Josh Hart, Wesley Iwundu.

Then trade LA for a prospect, two way wing and a 1st.

Trading LA for Bledsoe + pick ?.I'd rather have Bledsoe than Mills.. tbh.

I think it will take a few years to get there. But I think Spurs need to acquire more players w/ length that have two way capabilities that can give them the versatility on both ends.

Solid take. You hit the nail on the head..."no quick fix".

[MaNu4Tres]

I take it back though, if Spurs trade LA.. I'd rather get back space, role playing prospect and a pick.

Wouldn't use LA on PG when we have Murray making pennies and able to be good enough to take over w/ huge ceiling to grow into.

Say no to Bledsoe if Spurs have to use their biggest asset ( yet not that desirable). Use LA for assets that inject cheap youth in the pipeline asap.

[objective]

Maybe Murray shows enough in the playoffs that it settles the point guard question with regards to free agents.

I especially don't want Hill. He'd cost about the same as Paul and if he can't stay healthy in a contract year, including missing tonight's game 2 at Warriors, how can he be trusted at all as he gets older?

[turkish spurs fan]

good news actually

[turb0time]

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[TD 21]

I never thought Mills was going anywhere anyway and Parker's injury probably nearly clinches his being re-signed. Suffice it to say, the opportunity for him is now greater, as is the need from the Spurs' perspective. Barring an Aldridge trade or Gasol opting out and the dynamics changing, they can't afford to squander his Bird rights and blow the mid-level exception on a point guard. It has to be reserved for Dedmon or failing that, a center of similar ilk.

The only two clear rotation point guard I could see them pursuing, are Williams and Teodosic (there's been conflicting reports about their interest), since they'd both probably be better off defending shooting guards at this stage of their respective careers anyway. They'd have to settle for the bi-annual exception (with a player option after the 1st year) though. Outside of them, I'd expect them to pursue veteran's minimum types, like Calderon, Udrih, Brooks, Vasquez (partial guarantee), etc.

I don't mean it to sound insensitive, but there are some potential good long term things that could come out of this . . .

- They'll more than likely be forced to throw Murray in the fire next season and get a better handle on him
- Parker will obviously cost less to re-sign and it'll make it easier to transition him into a bench role if Murray progresses rapidly
- Despite his wishes, 20 seasons was always unlikely and it's even less so now, which means there's a better chance of them avoiding an awkward situation

[gambit1990]

I don't mean it to sound insensitive, but there are some potential good long term things that could come out of this . . .

- They'll more than likely be forced to throw Murray in the fire next season and get a better handle on him
- Parker will obviously cost less to re-sign and it'll make it easier to transition him into a bench role if Murray progresses rapidly
- Despite his wishes, 20 seasons was always unlikely and it's even less so now, which means there's a better chance of them avoiding an awkward situation
:tu

nothing else would have forced pop's hand. it's great we have this opportunity to also gauge mills.

you lost me at the resigning tp part.

[cd021]

There's no quick fix that can get the Spurs on the level of the Warriors. Spurs just have to be solid in the draft, through outside the box Free Agents, and development. I'd just start loading up w/ two way prospects or two way players with length that can play both ends.

I'd start looking at young mobile bigs that can defend in space and that are proficient in PnR diving/finishing.

For instance, I'd flip Anderson for a 2nd in 2018.

Maybe trade 29th down to 33 and 35. Target Jordan Bell, DJ Wilson, Josh Hart, Wesley Iwundu.


I think it will take a few years to get there. But I think Spurs need to acquire more players w/ length that have two way capabilities that can give them the versatility on both ends.

I think the Spurs should draft a big; the 20-40 range is littered with interesting prospects.

Paseknicks or Bam Adebayo look like solid picks.

If Anderson would be traded, I would shop him hard to Orlando (granted they fired their GM after whiteboard gate) for the 33rd and 35th pick though that is probably unrealistic.

If Frank Mason falls to 59, that would be great for the Spurs, they could get a capable 3rd string PG to help them ride out Parker's injury.

[Capt Bringdown]

Although he's had a throwback post-season, he's a shadow of his former self, even when healthy.
I can't imagine him coming back after this.
He went down like a champ. He should probably stay down and enjoy his retirement.

[Darius Bieber]

Of fucking course this shit couldn't have happened to Harden or Curry

[SPURt]

I hate to see Parker's career as we know it end like this and I do think this is the end of Parker the contributor. Rupturing the tendon in your quad is similar to an achilles tear. Even if he comes back towards the end of next year it'd take him the entire rest of the season to get into any type of rhythm if that is still possible. Then he'll be 36 at the beginning of the following season. Speed PG's don't age well. I'm guessing speed PG's with ruptured leg tendons are probably going to really struggle.

I'm sick over it. Not like this boss. Not like this.

[hater]

Although he's had a throwback post-season, he's a shadow of his former self, even when healthy.
I can't imagine him coming back after this.
He went down like a champ. He should probably stay down and enjoy his retirement.

If Parker is a shadow of his former self what does that make Manu? :lmao

[sasaint]

:tu

nothing else would have forced pop's hand. it's great we have this opportunity to also gauge mills.

you lost me at the resigning tp part.

I have been a big fan of Tony's for most of his career - especially this playoff run - but the idea of re-signing him after the end of this contract was never a move that I thought even PATFO would pull. Yet there is at least one poster who wants to bring Manu back! Hmmm... I hope Tony's injury doesn't increase that possibility... :wow

[SAGirl]

I have been a big fan of Tony's for most of his career - especially this playoff run - but the idea of re-signing him after the end of this contract was never a move that I thought even PATFO would pull. Yet there is at least one poster who wants to bring Manu back! Hmmm... I hope Tony's injury doesn't increase that possibility... :wow
If there are guys that want Manu back, there are those that want Tony back... you know how PATFO is, he will want them back too. As much as I respect them, it will get to Kobe level, and that is the point where even fans were sick of that. One would rather hope they know when to retire and not let it get to that.

[bklynspursfan]

good news actually

How, exactly?

[sasaint]

If there are guys that want Manu back, there are those that want Tony back... you know how PATFO is, he will want them back too. As much as I respect them, it will get to Kobe level, and that is the point where even fans were sick of that. One would rather hope they know when to retire and not let it get to that.

If Pop wants Tony and Manu back, whoever has the authority in the Spurs' organization needs to send him packing. And he needs to seek professional help.

[bklynspursfan]

If there are guys that want Manu back, there are those that want Tony back... you know how PATFO is, he will want them back too. As much as I respect them, it will get to Kobe level, and that is the point where even fans were sick of that. One would rather hope they know when to retire and not let it get to that.

Difference is, they won't keep the franchise handcuffed like Kobe did. If TP gets a new contract, I have little doubts it'll be cheap and allow for the Spurs to continue to keep a competitive roster. He got his pay day, as did Manu.

[bklynspursfan]

If Pop wants Tony and Manu back, whoever has the authority in the Spurs' organization needs to send him packing. And he needs to seek professional help.

And what if they want to come back for cheap and have smaller roles, for cheap?

Like TP looked better than TD did in his last playoff series, & there is no doubt Pop wanted TD to come back. Why wouldn't he want TP back, who could still have smaller role with the team. He's not going to give these guys tons of $ to come back, & it's really not surprising that he wants them there. I meatn he's been through so much with them. For him to not want them there I'd say he needs professional help.

Him wanting those guys back, who are probably like his kids, certainly doesn't constitute needing professional help lol... If he cripples the franchise and pays them big $, then that's a different argument.

They've managed to rebuild with those guys there.. Their roles will continue to get smaller, and I'm sure the contracts will reflect that, IF they get new contracts.

[cd98]

For those of us who remember the Lloyd Daniels years, the Rod Strickland years, and the Avery Johnson years, TP has been so good for so long. I don't know that this is the end, like people say, but to see him injured after his renaissance play during this playoff run, it's disheartening. Only thing worse I can remember was Duncan wrecking his knee after dunking on Pollard in the 2000 playoffs.

[sasaint]

And what if they want to come back for cheap and have smaller roles, for cheap?

Like TP looked better than TD did in his last playoff series, & there is no doubt Pop wanted TD to come back. Why wouldn't he want TP back, who could still have smaller role with the team. He's not going to give these guys tons of $ to come back, & it's really not surprising that he wants them there. I meatn he's been through so much with them. For him to not want them there I'd say he needs professional help.

Him wanting those guys back, who are probably like his kids, certainly doesn't constitute needing professional help lol... If he cripples the franchise and pays them big $, then that's a different argument.

They've managed to rebuild with those guys there.. Their roles will continue to get smaller, and I'm sure the contracts will reflect that, IF they get new contracts.

My friend, comparing a PF/C with a PG is apples-and-oranges in the first place. But Timmy did not sit out numerous games his next-to-last season with a bunch of nagging injuries. Timmy was still a big contributor in his last season until his good knee went lame. Tony looked done this RS. This playoff run has been glorious, but certainly nothing you can take to the bank. Manu went... how many consecutive games throwing up air balls and putting up goose eggs in the box score? Pop relies on geezers to a fault. Bringing back geezers will only retard whatever young talent we have that we desperately need to develop. Two roster spots going to geezers when the team desperately needs some youth and athleticism (not to mention length) to compete in the league going forward? No. If you prefer geezers for one last wheels-falling-off-the-wagon last stand, then you and I will just have to disagree and see where PATFO goes,and how it works out.

[Pauleta14]

There's no quick fix that can get the Spurs on the level of the Warriors. Spurs just have to be solid in the draft, through outside the box Free Agents, and development. I'd just start loading up w/ two way prospects or two way players with length that can play both ends.

I'd start looking at young mobile bigs that can defend in space and that are proficient in PnR diving/finishing.

For instance, I'd flip Anderson for a 2nd in 2018.

Maybe trade 29th down to 33 and 35. Target Jordan Bell, DJ Wilson, Josh Hart, Wesley Iwundu.


I think it will take a few years to get there. But I think Spurs need to acquire more players w/ length that have two way capabilities that can give them the versatility on both ends.

Nice take EXCEPT for Bledsoe...

It's a terrible idea, he has the body to get injured regularly, I give him 2 or 3 more years before being irrelevant.

[Chinook]

On reddit guys are writing that if Parker retire due to injury, he can be waived, paid, but this won`t count against salary. Is that true ? Seems like best case scenario for Spurs, tbh

No, it's not true.

[urunobili]

well this blows. I read a comment from a poster yesterday saying that if that was the last of TP he went out like an alpha :depressed

[SAGirl]

My friend, comparing a PF/C with a PG is apples-and-oranges in the first place. But Timmy did not sit out numerous games his next-to-last season with a bunch of nagging injuries. Timmy was still a big contributor in his last season until his good knee went lame. Tony looked done this RS. This playoff run has been glorious, but certainly nothing you can take to the bank. Manu went... how many consecutive games throwing up air balls and putting up goose eggs in the box score? Pop relies on geezers to a fault. Bringing back geezers will only retard whatever young talent we have that we desperately need to develop. Two roster spots going to geezers when the team desperately needs some youth and athleticism (not to mention length) to compete in the league going forward? No. If you prefer geezers for one last wheels-falling-off-the-wagon last stand, then you and I will just have to disagree and see where PATFO goes,and how it works out.
I am with you. I would have no problem whatsoever if they came back in a vet min with maybe a different coach that did not have an emotional attachment and would play them as appropriate in small roles. But that coach is not Pop. Manu doesn't have much in the tank at all already, we don't have to wait to see that decline... to Kobe efficiency and it will only get worse... You can't tell me any of the other young guys wouldn't be better than 19% shooting in the playoffs and some assists/TO. Tony's body is falling off b4 our eyes. It has started that is why I mentioned Kobe, after the achilles, it was the next thing, then the next thing, then the washed up inefficient chucking, then the end. He didn't want to retire either. Guys have to know when its over, and sometimes it's someone they love who has to sit them down and open their eyes. That won't be Pop. He's stuck in 2007 but with Kiwi in it pretty much.

[daslicer]

Of fucking course this shit couldn't have happened to Harden or Curry

Well yeah of course it hasn't happened since they are still young and in their 20's. Wait another 5 years and see if they don't run into any injuries. Unfortunately Parker's age finally did him in.

[MaNu4Tres]

Nice take EXCEPT for Bledsoe...

It's a terrible idea, he has the body to get injured regularly, I give him 2 or 3 more years before being irrelevant.

Read a few posts under the one you quoted.

[The Whopper]

I wonder if Sleepy Floyd and Tom Garrick are available?

[The Whopper]

For those of us who remember the Lloyd Daniels years, the Rod Strickland years, and the Avery Johnson years, TP has been so good for so long. I don't know that this is the end, like people say, but to see him injured after his renaissance play during this playoff run, it's disheartening. Only thing worse I can remember was Duncan wrecking his knee after dunking on Pollard in the 2000 playoffs.

I agree that sucked but it was a regular season game.

[TheDoctor]

"Swine the leg" they say... :depressed

[Capt Bringdown]

If Parker is a shadow of his former self what does that make Manu? :lmao

I don't know what your point is. No one can escape Father Time.

[Brazil]

Parker is a warrior and a fast healer tbh he will be back next year

[polandprzem]

One of the best seasons for Parker when it comes to playmaking. And now had great playoffs ....
Now more stagnant offense and no experience will be added in Anderson or Simmons and maybe Murray...

damnit



Warriors not only with big for but with frickin luck

[MaNu4Tres]

After further thought... if TP is out majority of next year.

This is what I'd prefer.

If Mills commands 12-16 mil per for next 3-4 years. I shake his hand, tell him thank you, give him a hug and say my good byes.

A big part of is how high Spurs are on Murray. Which I think they are very high on him. Spurs need to throw him in the fire, the quicker they do it, the better off the Spurs will be in the long run.

Instead of investing 50 million to Patty, I'd turn my focus on Shelvin Mack. And try to get him on a 1+1 deal or a 2+1 deal for much cheaper.

Murray, Mack, vet min., Forbes


Is this a move that I think takes the Spurs over the Warriors?.. of course not.

This is a move that can maintain the 50 win season streak, help develop the best prospect the Spurs currently have, and it conserves the resources for the summer of 18'. Even with Tony out, I still think it would be a mistake to pay Patty that much money for that long.

Of course there's so many other components to take into account before making end all decisions, such as the situations with Aldridge and Pau.

[DAF86]

This pretty much seals Patty won't be going anywhere, tbh.

[kuato]

Anybody missing Lapro now?

[DAF86]

After further thought... if TP is out majority of next year.

This is what I'd prefer.

If Mills commands 12-16 mil per for next 3-4 years. I shake his hand, tell him thank you, give him a hug and say my good byes.

A big part of is how high Spurs are on Murray. Which I think they are very high on him. Spurs need to throw him in the fire, the quicker they do it, the better off the Spurs will be in the long run.

Instead of investing 50 million to Patty, I'd turn my focus on Shelvin Mack. And try to get him on a 1+1 deal or a 2+1 deal for much cheaper.

Murray, Mack, vet min., Forbes


Is this a move that I think takes the Spurs over the Warriors?.. of course not.

This is a move that can maintain the 50 win season streak, help develop the best prospect the Spurs currently have, and it conserves the resources for the summer of 18'. Even with Tony out, I still think it would be a mistake to pay Patty that much money for that long.

Of course there's so many other components to take into account before making end all decisions, such as the situations with Aldridge and Pau.

I agree with you on all counts except the Mack signing. I would rather get an Euro prospect that can at least shoot. Here in Argieland there have been rumours about Facundo Campazzo joining the NBA next season, if he adapts to the NBA he is significantly more talented than Shelvin Mack.

Waaaay more talented than Laprovittola, tbh. Although there will always be questions regsrding his height. He's on the Isahia Thomas, JJ Barea range.

[cd98]

I agree that sucked but it was a regular season game.

Yeah, I meant he missed the playoffs bc of that dunk in like the last week of the season in a meaningless game.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'm just watching Jordan Bell Highlights right now. I'll probably get fired for posting on Spurstalk all day on my phone...:lol

but I know Manu4tres is a huge fan.

Seems like a Draymond Green Kinda player.

I really love Jordan.. tbh.. What did you think overall?

I think DJ Wilson has a higher ceiling based on length and his expanded offensive skillset.

The trouble with trying to assess ceiling is we don't know their mindset, work ethic, how bad they want to be great, ect. They could have the best skillset for the modern NBA, but if their mind ain't right they won't amount to anything great. That plays a huge huge part of how far they actually develop.

From what we can see, I really like both a lot though. Spurs should be able to get one or the other at 29, but I'd try to trade down to Orlando for their 33rd and 35th and try to scoop both..

[MaNu4Tres]

I agree with you on all counts except the Mack signing. I would rather get an Euro prospect that can at least shoot. Here in Argieland there have been rumours about Facundo Campazzo joining the NBA next season, if he adapts to the NBA he is significantly more talented than Shelvin Mack.

Waaaay more talented than Laprovittola, tbh. Although there will always be questions regsrding his height. He's on the Isahia Thomas, JJ Barea range.

Yeah, I'm not too much of a fan of Campazzo, I don't think he's as quick as Barea or Thomas, but he's around the same size. I think Mack has a very solid overall game .. in the mold of prime Jacque Vaughn but better, more solid and he has size for a PG.

Spurs just need very solid play to help Murray out for next year or two. I'd prefer going the value route with Mack or Collison than pay Patty 4/50-60.

[spurtech09]

Fuck it, if Tony is thinking retirement after this I'm for trading his contract for Melo. This is his last season on that contract too.KL and Melo on the same team....I smell Championship......

[TheGreatYacht]

Anybody missing Lapro now?
Fuck no. He's averaging 4 points on 33FG% in Europe. Scrubby ass player didn't belong anywhere near a summer league roster, much less NBA roster

[objective]

I really love Jordan.. tbh.. What did you think overall?

I think DJ Wilson has a higher ceiling based on length and his expanded offensive skillset.

The trouble with trying to assess ceiling is we don't know their mindset, work ethic, how bad they want to be great, ect. They could have the best skillset for the modern NBA, but if their mind ain't right they won't amount to anything great. That plays a huge huge part of how far they actually develop.

From what we can see, I really like both a lot though. Spurs should be able to get one or the other at 29, but I'd try to trade down to Orlando for their 33rd and 35th and try to scoop both..

I've watched as many clips at the college level as I could. I like Bell more. I am troubled by that clip of him ignoring box outs on free throws at the end games though. But I like his game more so far.

I like Ojedeye except for his defense. Basically a 22 year old Faried with range and similar bad defense. Or maybe more like Blair with Muscle Milk instead of Whataburger shakes.

[spurtech09]

WERD...CP3 will finally get his ring with Da Spurz.The question is does Paul really want to play for the Spurs?

[apalisoc_9]

I really love Jordan.. tbh.. What did you think overall?

I think DJ Wilson has a higher ceiling based on length and his expanded offensive skillset.

The trouble with trying to assess ceiling is we don't know their mindset, work ethic, how bad they want to be great, ect. They could have the best skillset for the modern NBA, but if their mind ain't right they won't amount to anything great. That plays a huge huge part of how far they actually develop.

From what we can see, I really like both a lot though. Spurs should be able to get one or the other at 29, but I'd try to trade down to Orlando for their 33rd and 35th and try to scoop both..

That's part of the reason why I strongly believe in trading down if you're picks are in the low 20s (21, 22 etc). Trade it to a team with Multiple picks in the second round. As proven in like forever, the skillsets and talent offered in those picks are very similar and it would be better to try out a couple guys than one. Exactly how many players in the 20s have turn out to be good players? How many in the 30-60? Mark?

When it comes to late 20s to 40s pick..Imo, it becomes more about quantity than quality because frankly Quality wise, they're all pretty darn close.

I only watched highlights of DJ Wilson. I really can't tell anything from it other than state the obvious. He's a big with good mobility and good shooting. But I didn't see any skills that makes me believe he can develop to become elite in the NBA. We already have Bertans. They're different players but the Spurs utilizes him more as a PF so i doubt this wilson dude gets drafted. Doesn't look like he has a decent roll game though. Really the only offense you need from a modern center is the Roll..seems like Jordan is better at rolling to the basket with superior aearial gravity.

I like Jordan Bell though. He's got Skills that can prove to be Elite in Today's modern day NBA. Big that can stay with Guards and be a shot blocking threat. Little Guys are scared of big players that can chase them and block their shots.

I only watched his game in Kansas but his rim protection is good and he's a gopd help defender.

What I really want to know from him though...Can he improve his feel of the game? Can he dish out in rolls? Is he a willing passer in rolls? He seems like a guy that will have aearial gravity and will finish strong so there should be enough space for the corner three..

Honestly though, my opinion is very limited. Hard to make conclusions on one game sample.

I just want the spurs to try to get three rookies next year with One of them hopefully contributing. A rookie is never always a liability..Kawhi Leonard was am awesome rookie.

As for attitude Part, another reason why Quantity approach is better. You never know whose lying in interview. But at least the spurs seems like an organization that have enough insider info to know who has good character or not.

[sasaint]

Anybody missing Lapro now?

Anybody bummed we didn't dump Anthony and sign Calderon?

[sasaint]

The question is does Paul really want to play for the Spurs?

I think the real question will be whether the Clips want to pay Paul the supermax. If that is the Clips' offer, he stays.

[MaNu4Tres]

I've watched as many clips at the college level as I could. I like Bell more. I am troubled by that clip of him ignoring box outs on free throws at the end games though. But I like his game more so far.

I like Ojedeye except for his defense. Basically a 22 year old Faried with range and similar bad defense. Or maybe more like Blair with Muscle Milk instead of Whataburger shakes.

I like Ojedeye too a little bit. I'm worried about his defense, size and length. I think the lack of those two aspects hurts his overall ceiling defensively.

Two guys I discuss ball with on twitter that scout college more than anyone I know are down on Ojedeye, and very high on Bell. Bell is projected to go early 40's in DE's mock but they think he's very deserving for 29 more so than any big in that range. I try to watch as much tape as I can around this time and from everything I've seen and read... Bell is my number 1 guy.

It would be great if Spurs can trade down to ORL at 33 and 35 for the 29th and grab Bell and another guy like DJ Wilson ( as I've said 32 times today).

Bell has the length and mobility to be a work horse defensively. The thought of the potential defense with lineups featuring him, Kawhi and Murray down the line for the next 5-10 years is pretty nice ( obvious more pieces would be included but you get the point). Having him come into a program and system like the Spurs would increase the probability for him to make the most out of his career. Especially watching Kawhi go to work on a daily, yearly basis.

He would need to develop some skills, and awareness offensively in pick and rolls -- catching the pocket pass early around the free throw line and making decisive plays. But I think that can be developed with coaching and a Kawhi-like work ethic. What you can't couch is his effectiveness defensively due to his size, length, and mobility. It's imperative for bigs in todays NBA to be able to defend in space. However, all of this assessment could be irrelevant if he has a Drew Gooden type of brain, or poor work ethic. That's where the Spurs' research comes into play that we don't have.

It's crazy, in the 90's value with bigs was tied to post play. Now that's the last thing teams should look for. Value with bigs today is tied to being able to defend the PnR in the interior and perimeter in space. Also, being able to roll effectively, make smart reads, and finish efficiently.

It's crazy to think a Capela has more effective and valuable skillset than Aldridge.. but that's what the game today has turned into.

[objective]

Yeah, I'd be happy with Bell at 29.

If he can be a Richaun Holmes type, that's useful.

I'd probably want him over Wilson, and both over Ojedeye.

Don't want any part of Swanigan.

[Snaq O'Meal]

The Bucks sure did..

That guy was a long-armed, high IQ 6'5" PG who was also the ACC Player of the Year, ACC Defensive Player of the Year, first-team All-American, among other accolades. Selecting him was a no-brainer.

[MaNu4Tres]

Yeah, I'd be happy with Bell at 29.

If he can be a Richaun Holmes type, that's useful.

I'd probably want him over Wilson, and both over Ojedeye.

Don't want any part of Swanigan.

Swanigan is trash. Mo Speights is his ceiling. Jackie Butler is his floor.

[james evans]

this is popovich and the front office fault. You know that we have these old players and you're not constantly developing younger talent while throwing them into the mix. We all know shit like this can happen, but the only one unaware of this was popovich. For years we've been asking up here, "what about the pg situation for the future?".

[james evans]

You can`t find gem, that will start at PG and produce at 29th in the draft.
this is why you scout throughout the year and don't just follow what ESPN reports. There are hundreds of colleges in amerikka. Only a fool would think there are no point guards out there.

[Mal]

No, it's not true.

Thought so. Thanks

[Mal]

this is why you scout throughout the year and don't just follow what ESPN reports. There are hundreds of colleges in amerikka. Only a fool would think there are no point guards out there.

Still don`t think there is better PG available at 29th this year, who is better than Murray and even Forbes being that one year pro.

[spurs10]

The question is does Paul really want to play for the Spurs? Paul should be set for a few lifetimes on his endorsements alone. Time for him to play with whoever wants to win!

[UZER]

Paul should be set for a few lifetimes on his endorsements alone. Time for him to play with whoever wants to win!

And Paul will miss or get hurt in the POs next year too. He's fragile.

[SpursforSix]

Paul should be set for a few lifetimes on his endorsements alone. Time for him to play with whoever wants to win!

Most of these guys should be set for life. If it was 10 million, maybe he goes to a winning team. But giving up 50 million to go to a team that would still be behind GSW? I just don't see it.

[DPG21920]

I'm 99% sure SA is going to pay Mills 12-14M per year.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I'm 99% sure SA is going to pay Mills 12-14M per year.

lil DPG :lol still acting as the Ellis mouthpiece after all these years

[TheGreatYacht]

I'm 99% sure SA is going to pay Mills 12-14M per year.
Buford should resign on the spot if that happened. Why give out money like that to role players?

[BackHome]

Buford should resign on the spot if that happened. Why give out money like that to role players?

How come Mills is getting Danny minutes at end of games? At least he can dribble the ball up court and pass the ball 🏀 to his own teammates.

[DPG21920]

lil DPG :lol still acting as the Ellis mouthpiece after all these years

I don't even know what that means but respect

[DPG21920]

Buford should resign on the spot if that happened. Why give out money like that to role players?

You have to adjust for what that money is today in terms of percentage of the cap. He's also a player that SA can use bird rights to sign which is big and he's also an asset that people value. With TP going down, Manu possibly being old and Simmons a FA as well, SA has to field a team and they need guards.

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Buford should resign on the spot if that happened. Why give out money like that to role players?

How come Mills is getting Danny minutes at end of games? At least he can dribble the ball up court and pass the call to his own teammates.

[Yuixafun]

This year off to recover might be better in the long run. His entire being can rest.

I don't think Tony has really ever had an offseason in 15 years.

Also, they can start a total overhaul of his body. Tailor it for his new role.

And he all this time to transition his mind and spirit and come to peace with the present.

Tony as the rugged playmaker veteran mentor. Every year Murray has under his tutelage will help warp speed the growth.

Tony has earned the right to retire on his own terns.

[cd021]

The options are scarce for playmakers, tbh..none of the impending FAs are really worth pursuing(not to mention Spurs will have limited flexibility if Gasol opts in and Aldridge doesn't get moved)..

Even looking at the list of wings, the playmaking options(Manu replacement) are limited, too..Tyreke Evans is the best the Spurs could do, but he'll be too expensive..

It's very likely that Patty returns and Murray is the other PG/SG..

I expect Murray to start next season and roughly split the minutes with Mills. I also expect Lee and Gasol to be back, along with Simmons (if the price is right). Draft wise, I expect the spurs to go big (the 20-35 range is littered with PF/C's) Paseknicks, Adebayo, or Giles are possible candidates. Hopefully Frank Mason will be still available at pick number 59, he reminds me of Mills but probably a more nature PG.

PG-Murray, Mills, Parker, Mason,
SG-Green, Simmons, Forbes
SF-Leonard, Anderson
PF-Aldridge, Bertans,
C-Lee, Gasol, Milutivnov, 1st rounder

Spurs could use the MLE to help improve on the wing.

[cd021]

I'm 99% sure SA is going to pay Mills 12-14M per year.


Buford should resign on the spot if that happened. Why give out money like that to role players?

I was thinking 3 years $ 40 million. That's not a bad contract, only 13% of the cap.

[sasaint]

I expect Murray to start next season and roughly split the minutes with Mills. I also expect Lee and Gasol to be back, along with Simmons (if the price is right). Draft wise, I expect the spurs to go big (the 20-35 range is littered with PF/C's) Paseknicks, Adebayo, or Giles are possible candidates. Hopefully Frank Mason will be still available at pick number 59, he reminds me of Mills but probably a more nature PG.

PG-Murray, Mills, Parker, Mason,
SG-Green, Simmons, Forbes
SF-Leonard, Anderson
PF-Aldridge, Bertans,
C-Lee, Gasol, Milutivnov, 1st rounder

Spurs could use the MLE to help improve on the wing.

Much depends on how strong Mills' determination to start is.

[SAGirl]

I expect Murray to start next season and roughly split the minutes with Mills. I also expect Lee and Gasol to be back, along with Simmons (if the price is right). Draft wise, I expect the spurs to go big (the 20-35 range is littered with PF/C's) Paseknicks, Adebayo, or Giles are possible candidates. Hopefully Frank Mason will be still available at pick number 59, he reminds me of Mills but probably a more nature PG.

PG-Murray, Mills, Parker, Mason,
SG-Green, Simmons, Forbes
SF-Leonard, Anderson
PF-Aldridge, Bertans,
C-Lee, Gasol, Milutivnov, 1st rounder

Spurs could use the MLE to help improve on the wing.
Gross to start Lee tbh.

[cd021]

I take it back though, if Spurs trade LA.. I'd rather get back space, role playing prospect and a pick.

Wouldn't use LA on PG when we have Murray making pennies and able to be good enough to take over w/ huge ceiling to grow into.

Say no to Bledsoe if Spurs have to use their biggest asset ( yet not that desirable). Use LA for assets that inject cheap youth in the pipeline asap.



Spurs Get:-
32nd pick,
54th pick,
(top 12 lottery protected) 1st round pick.

Phoenix Get:
LaMarcus Aldridge

Phoenix hasn't made the playoffs in 7 seasons and this trade would at least put them in the chase with the core of Bledsoe, Booker, and LMA. They would also get to keep Bender, Chriss, and their lottery pick this year (which would be their 4th pick in the top 8 in 3 year.

Spurs add a high second rounder (essentially a 2nd first round pick), another second rounder, and a 2018 top 12 protected pick in addition to about $20 million in cap space. Phoenix made a push to get him when he was a FA and may still be interested in him.

I posted a similar trade scenario awhile back, it wasn't particularly well received.

[cd021]

Gross to start Lee tbh.

Dedmon is probably gone, Lee as a 24mpg starter isn't horrible

Green, Leonard, Aldridge, and Lee four man lineup this past season

O Rtg- 111.4
D Rtg- 103.6
Net Rtg- +7.8

depends on whom the PG will be, but that four man lineup was very successful in the regular season.

[Thomas82]

Spurs Get:-
32nd pick,
54th pick,
(top 12 lottery protected) 1st round pick.

Phoenix Get:
LaMarcus AldridgePhoenix hasn't made the playoffs in 7 seasons and this trade would at least put them in the chase with the core of Bledsoe, Booker, and LMA. They would also get to keep Bender, Chriss, and their lottery pick this year (which would be their 4th pick in the top 8 in 3 year.

Spurs add a high second rounder (essentially a 2nd first round pick), another second rounder, and a 2018 top 12 protected pick in addition to about $20 million in cap space. Phoenix made a push to get him when he was a FA and may still be interested in him.

I posted a similar trade scenario awhile back, it wasn't particularly well received.


I like that move, but I would be shocked if we trade Aldridge.

[cd021]

I like that move, but I would be shocked if we trade Aldridge.

Parker's injury makes it more unlikely but if the Spurs don't make it to the WCF or get steamrolled and LMA plays poorly or mediocre- if we get there- then maybe.

[pad300]

Parker's injury makes it more unlikely but if the Spurs don't make it to the WCF or get steamrolled and LMA plays poorly or mediocre- if we get there- then maybe.

Disagree. The Parker injury makes it more likely. With no Parker and no major roster-surgery, barring surprise extreme development by Dejounte, we write off next season as well. That's part of Kawhi's prime; they don't want to waste that. With Aldridge underperforming $21.5 Million man status, trading him for space+picks/projects and trying to a better fitting running mate for Kawhi makes much more sense (Griffin? CP3? The Clippers have to be considering blowing it up...).

[cd021]

You can`t find gem, that will start at PG and produce at 29th in the draft.

Mostly bigs and wings in the 25-40 range. Spurs should go big or try and trade down to Orlando who has the 33rd and 35th picks (like others have mentioned) and take two prospects.

[DAF86]

Heck, Spurs didn't even need to sign anybody, just give Patty's role to Forbes.

[Phenomanul]

So many bad takes on this page alone... dang.

[Stabula]

So many bad takes on this page alone... dang.

:lol no kidding