man, i really think lebron is the goat imo, tbh

[RsxPiimp]

real talk. I mean, I know he has his shortcomings but damn, I simply think he's better than Jordan. defense, offense, playmaking, gm'ing. if you think at his frame, speed and combination of skills, it's unreal and it's possible we'll never see another one like him.



just passed Jordan in the all time playoff scoring list and will eclipse kareem soon. 5 mvps, should be 7-8. probably deserve at least 2 DPOY award. Jordan got one but come on, that was a joke selection:lol



can't think of any reason to put Jordan above LeBron any longer. Jordan benefited on a weaker era and most importantly was surrounded by 3 HOF'er in his career. also LeBron had spoelstra, tyron lue and mike brown, are you kidding me?

[apalisoc_9]

Lebron has 4 mvps

Spo is an amazing coach.

but Lebron is the greatest player of all time.

Don't think people realize how Amazing Pippen was. Dude led the bulls to a 55 win team...

[140]

real talk. I mean, I know he has his shortcomings but damn, I simply think he's better than Jordan. defense, offense, playmaking, gm'ing. if you think at his frame, speed and combination of skills, it's unreal and it's possible we'll never see another one like him.



just passed Jordan in the all time playoff scoring list and will eclipse kareem soon. 5 mvps, should be 7-8. probably deserve at least 2 DPOY award. Jordan got one but come on, that was a joke selection:lol



can't think of any reason to put Jordan above LeBron any longer. Jordan benefited on a weaker era and most importantly was surrounded by 3 HOF'er in his career. also LeBron had spoelstra, tyron lue and mike brown, are you kidding me?
It's the other way around tbh

[RsxPiimp]

It's the other way around tbh

thanks lol. but yeah man, crazy when you think about it. someone brought up the fact that LeBron actually surpassed Jordan in playoff points with a slightly higher efficiency in fewer FG attempts :wow

[Trainwreck2100]

It's like he only has to try for 1 series out of 4 every year.

[baseline bum]

People have short memories. If I'm down one with 8 seconds left in the game, there's no one I'd give the ball to ahead of Jordan. He's easily the greatest I have ever seen at getting to the rim, and he did it in the era of Olajuwon, Robinson, and Ewing when teams had decent rim protection. I can't imagine what it would have looked like trying to guard him under today's NBA rules where there is no hand checking.

[RsxPiimp]

Lebron has 4 mvps

Spo is an amazing coach.

but Lebron is the greatest player of all time.

Don't think people realize how Amazing Pippen was. Dude led the bulls to a 55 win team...
I practically grew up in that era and pippen is most definitely one of the most underrated option B of all time. he's like LeBron in a smaller fame :lol

I watched a bunch of full classic nba finals (bulls vs Utah, bulls vs phoenix) to refresh my memory and Jordan was very similar to wade's approach, though wade was more of a playmaker where Jordan just pressed his attack offensively ala kobe but obviously much more efficient and to me, the difference is night and day. LeBron's just on another level.


I hate comparing eras but Jordan would not have 6 titles had he played in this era or LeBron played in the 90's. honest to god.

[RsxPiimp]

People have short memories. If I'm down one with 8 seconds left in the game, there's no one I'd give the ball to ahead of Jordan. He's easily the greatest I have ever seen at getting to the rim, and he did it in the era of Olajuwon, Robinson, and Ewing when teams had decent rim protection. I can't imagine what it would have looked like trying to guard him under today's NBA rules where there is no hand checking.
I get the clutch factor but come on man, even Jordan had to rely to kerr and paxson to close a series for him.

[HarlemHeat37]

He's the GOAT if you're considering the effect he has on his teammates, tbh..just look at his career on/off numbers and the records of the teams he joins/leaves:lol

Dad Killer is the greatest individual player of all-time, though..I'm not sure if you could have him on a roster today, though, he's far worse than niggas like Greg Hardy and Aaron Hernandez..

[RsxPiimp]

not to mention how awful of a human being Jordan is. that HOF speech showed his true colors.

[baseline bum]

I get the clutch factor but come on man, even Jordan had to rely to kerr and paxson to close a series for him.

And LeBron had to rely on Ray Allen and Kyrie Irving.

[apalisoc_9]

I practically grew up in that era and pippen is most definitely one of the most underrated option B of all time. he's like LeBron in a smaller fame :lol

I watched a bunch of full classic nba finals (bulls vs Utah, bulls vs phoenix) to refresh my memory and Jordan was very similar to wade's approach, though wade was more of a playmaker where Jordan just pressed his attack offensively ala kobe but obviously much more efficient and to me, the difference is night and day. LeBron's just on another level.


I hate comparing eras but Jordan would not have 6 titles had he played in this era or LeBron played in the 90's. honest to god.

to be fair, my opinion about Pippen is strictly from the 7 NBA replay playoff games I watched a couple years ago. I was way too young to understand the game in the 90s.

My Memory of basketball in the 90s was Our Family being the only Family that Owned a Television and had Access to the NBA finals...That Filipino bario scene were 95% of the bario was at one TV watching NBA...And in the mid 2000 Live Pacman games...I moved away during the Pacman era though...Wonder how crazy the town was during Pacman fights...:lol

I think we usually would have about 100-200 people in our house in the Malone vs Jordan Finals...:lol

[baseline bum]

not to mention how awful of a human being Jordan is. that HOF speech showed his true colors.

Yeah Jordan is an asshole but not as much of one as Kareem.

[RsxPiimp]

LeBron also passed kobe as a better 3 ptr in the playoffs, percentage wise. i mean come on, i never thought LeBron would be a better three point threat than both kobe and Jordan. insane tbh.

[313]

According to ST, the 90s, 2000s, and 2010s were all weak eras :lol

I think Jordan and LeBron just dominated their competition. I'll still take Jordan though. 6/6.

[RsxPiimp]

do people not realize that Jordan had pippen and grant in his first 7 years?


LeBron had zydrunas ilgauskas as his best player during his first 7 years?

guess which one dragged a team first in the finals?


see, i mean im really trying to rationalize having Jordan over LeBron but i just can't and this is something who hated LeBron for almost a decade.

[ambchang]

Recency bias. Lebron put up a show in last year's finals but fact is there is a way to play Lebron, it was to sag off of him and let him shoot jumpers. If his jumper was on then there is nothing you can do, but for Jordan, you can't even do that.

The only way to play Jordan was the flagrant foul him every single time down the court. He played against the soft Suns, and averaged 41/8.5/6 in a series. He plays in this league, where players get thrown out for talking back, he'd go nuts every single game.

Don't forget, Jordan started this entire "we have to open up the lanes to create the next Jordan" era where Lebron benefited from because there were no other Jordans.

[baseline bum]

do people not realize that Jordan had pippen and grant in his first 7 years?


LeBron had zydrunas ilgauskas as his best player during his first 7 years?

guess which one dragged a team first in the finals?


see, i mean im really trying to rationalize having Jordan over LeBron but i just can't and this is something who hated LeBron for almost a decade.

Was Jordan supposed to drag Orlando Woolridge and Dave Corzine past Bird/McHale/Parish? Pippen and Grant got drafted after Jordan's third year. They're supposed to beat the Bad Boy Pistons overnight after landing those two players? The team that won back to back titles and probably should have won one in 1988 too?

[ambchang]

do people not realize that Jordan had pippen and grant in his first 7 years?


LeBron had zydrunas ilgauskas as his best player during his first 7 years?

guess which one dragged a team first in the finals?


see, i mean im really trying to rationalize having Jordan over LeBron but i just can't and this is something who hated LeBron for almost a decade.

Stop making stuff up. Pippen didn't join the Bulls until 87-88, and wasn't a regular contributor until the year after that. he didn't even make the all-start team until 89-90.

Grant didn't join until 87-88 as well, and only make one all-star team (one less than Zydrunas) as a member of the Magic.

The year Lebron made the finals (07), the competition was absolutely dreadful.

[baseline bum]

I'm a huge LeBron fan but damn all the discredit for Jordan is crazy. Did you ever see this guy play when he was young? (eg 93 and before) It's like people only remember old Jordan with the baseline fadeaway and the pushoff on Bryon Russell. They don't remember the guy you couldn't keep out of the lane in an era when you could handcheck and it was ok to pack the lane because teams couldn't shoot the three like they can now.

[140]

thanks lol. but yeah man, crazy when you think about it. someone brought up the fact that LeBron actually surpassed Jordan in playoff points with a slightly higher efficiency in fewer FG attempts :wow
He didn't surpass Jordan though, he surpassed KAJ

[baseline bum]

Plus Jordan got Laker fans to rush the floor for him when he rang in their building.

http://i.imgur.com/J0Z5dcN.jpg

[HarlemHeat37]

Dad Killer was the greatest individual player of all-time when you consider his scoring, athleticism(top 5 all-time), defense, passing, etc..no doubt about that IMO..his value wasn't really historic, though, he was very reliant on those around him and they were still relatively successful during his absence(of course he pushed them to the next level, but still)

Lebron has won titles and led teams to the Finals with a Filipino coach, Dave Blatt(who will never coach in the NBA again) and Tyronn Lue, tbh:lol different sets of teammates, they're mostly interchangeable, tbh..

Dad Killer's record without the GOAT coach: 287-295, including 4 missed playoff appearances:wow:wow:(..ugh..pro sports are crazy, tbh, there's a thin line between being the GOAT vs. being somebody like Clyde Drexler, it's all about circumstance..also the timing of your birth, of course..if Kobe came up in the 90s in the same setting, he would be considered the GOAT, too:lol

[Clipper Nation]

Plus Jordan got Laker fans to rush the floor for him when he rang in their building.

http://i.imgur.com/J0Z5dcN.jpg
So? Curry got Laker fans to take their car flags down and start rocking their brand new #30 jerseys with the tags still on. Does that mean he's the GOAT?

[Clipper Nation]

And LeBron had to rely on Ray Allen and Kyrie Irving.
Pretty sure it was LeBron who hit the game-winner in Game 7 against the Spurs and made the championship-winning block on Iguodala against the Dubs.

[Ghazi]

Dad Killer was the greatest individual player of all-time when you consider his scoring, athleticism(top 5 all-time), defense, passing, etc..no doubt about that IMO..his value wasn't really historic, though, he was very reliant on those around him and they were still relatively successful during his absence(of course he pushed them to the next level, but still)

Lebron has won titles and led teams to the Finals with a Filipino coach, Dave Blatt(who will never coach in the NBA again) and Tyronn Lue, tbh:lol different sets of teammates, they're mostly interchangeable, tbh..

Dad Killer's record without the GOAT coach: 287-295, including 4 missed playoff appearances:wow:wow:(..ugh..pro sports are crazy, tbh, there's a thin line between being the GOAT vs. being somebody like Clyde Drexler, it's all about circumstance..also the timing of your birth, of course..if Kobe came up in the 90s in the same setting, he would be considered the GOAT, too:lol

Coaching doesn't actually matter. And the circumstance thing applies to EVERYONE

[baseline bum]

Pretty sure it was LeBron who hit the game-winner in Game 7 against the Spurs and made the championship-winning block on Iguodala against the Dubs.

You'd be wrong. It was Wade who got Miami to 90 in that game.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

He's the GOAT if you're considering the effect he has on his teammates, tbh..just look at his career on/off numbers and the records of the teams he joins/leaves:lol

Dad Killer is the greatest individual player of all-time, though..I'm not sure if you could have him on a roster today, though, he's far worse than niggas like Greg Hardy and Aaron Hernandez..
Hernandez is fucked up, but I'd chill with Hardy. Seems like a fun guy to be around.

[lefty20]

You'd be wrong. It was Wade who got Miami to 90 in that game.

Both of u are wrong. Chalmers was the real MVP for Heatles in '13, dude was the best guard(on either team) in games 6 & 7.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Not even better than Magic or Kareem.

[HarlemHeat37]

Not even better than Magic or Kareem.

:lol maybe if it was a dick-sucking contest, tbh..

[140]

:lol maybe if it was a dick-sucking contest, tbh..
:lmao

[StrengthAndHonor]

:lol maybe if it was a dick-sucking contest, tbh..
Bro, Magic is not a homosexual though.

[Clipper Nation]

Bro, Magic is not a homosexual though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M

[whitemamba]

He begs for superstar caliber players every year , this shouldn't go unnoticed. His numbers are staggering in the POs right now but solely because the east is and has been a joke for years. Gets bailed out by Chuckrie all the time. Hardly the GOAT imho

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol most overrated kent

[Pelicans78]

What a dumb thread. Jordan >>>> Lebron. Not even close.

[Pelicans78]

Lebron is basically Magic + HGH yet Magic had a much better postgame.

[baseline bum]

Lebron is basically Magic + HGH

minus HIV and the gay gene

[lefty]

Goat imo

He has never had a great coach

[lefty]

People have short memories. If I'm down one with 8 seconds left in the game, there's no one I'd give the ball to ahead of Jordan. He's easily the greatest I have ever seen at getting to the rim, and he did it in the era of Olajuwon, Robinson, and Ewing when teams had decent rim protection. I can't imagine what it would have looked like trying to guard him under today's NBA rules where there is no hand checking.
Jordan was actually unclutch in tight games vs teams that had Hakeem and Robinson

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Spo is an amazing coach.


Horse manure

[MultiTroll]

It's like he only has to try for 1 series out of 4 every year.

[Pelicans78]

minus HIV and the gay gene

And the 5 rings.

[UZER]

Lebron is basically Magic + HGH yet Magic had a much better postgame.

LeBron can actually dribble with his left hand.

[RsxPiimp]

nuff said

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[Clipper Nation]

LeBron is the GOAT and it's not even close. And people need to stop comparing DK to him when DK isn't even on Kareem, Duncan, Russell, or Wilt's level, let alone LeBron's. He just played in the Plumber Era and had Stern changing the rules for him and watering the league down with expansion.

[RsxPiimp]

LeBron is the GOAT and it's not even close. And people need to stop comparing DK to him when DK isn't even on Kareem, Duncan, Russell, or Wilt's level, let alone LeBron's. He just played in the Plumber Era and had Stern changing the rules for him and watering the league down with expansion.

i keep telling people this. ive seen jordan at his prime. bulls games are all we get back home and i still have vivid memories of some of jordans best games but this nigga lebron is on another level. fuckin unreal.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Yeah, no...:lol

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ljjn5o-FHtU/hqdefault.jpg

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2icbfnm.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/BXhKwLu.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

:lol LeGOAT's haters are still living in 2011, it's just getting sad at this point. That Dallas team was a lot better than those plumbers DK was facing every year.

[Clipper Nation]

Also, Kobe fluffers should be the last people bringing up the 2011 Mavs card. Last I checked, the Mavs swept the Lakers that year and Kobe got outplayed by Terry, Barea and Peja in the deciding game.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Also, Kobe fluffers should be the last people bringing up the 2011 Mavs card. Last I checked, the Mavs swept the Lakers that year and Kobe got outplayed by Terry, Barea and Peja in the deciding game.
Kobe obviously never reached that level, so it’s moot point. I’m simply responding to this ridiculous notion that Lebron>Jordan.

[StrengthAndHonor]

3-5 Finals Record
Bronze Medal
:lol
17.8 ppg NBA Finals series average

http://a.espncdn.com/i/infographics/20171107_jordan_lebron/nba_lebronvsjordan_005.png

[Fabbs]

Also, Kobe fluffers should be the last people bringing up the 2011 Mavs card. Last I checked, the Mavs swept the Lakers that year and Kobe got outplayed by Terry, Barea and Peja in the deciding game.
LeBron kicked ass and the Heat were about to go up 3-1 with a 13 point lead or so in the 3rd qtr.
To a man, the Mavs said Wade taunting and acting like some fake gangsta punk ass after a made basket lit an absolute fire under their ass.

[Clipper Nation]

3-5 Finals Record

:lol DK would be lucky to be 3-5 in an era as competitive as this one. This isn't the Plumber Era, people need to adjust their expectations accordingly.

And if you want to use Finals records without context, Russell eight-peated and won 11 rings in 13 years. DK only won six, despite playing in the Plumber Era :lol

[Brunodf]

Already has a case for the Top6 player tbh

Only MJ/Russel/Kareem/Magic/Duncan are for sure ahead of him.

Between Bird/Wilt/Kobe/Shaq and Lebron is a close call

[ambchang]

I am really turning around on the idea Lebron > DK, but of course, like everything else, it is arguable. Previously I am in the camp of "Hogwash, it's not even in the same conversation", but now, I would say it is at least an arguable point.

The thing is, Lebron gets more out of bad teammates than Lebron could.

DK can be the absolute alpha on a team of very talented teammates.

They are like the Larry Brown and Phil Jacksons of players, if you know what I mean.

I don't believe Lebron on those Bulls team will accomplish much more than DK did, but I don't think DK can get more out of those Lebron teams than Lebron could either (other than 2011).

DK has the mental side of thing down pat after the 91 ring, Lebron didn't really get that until 13.

However, DK got a LOT more preferential treatment than any other players ever got in NBA history.

Tough one.

[ambchang]

Already has a case for the Top6 player tbh

Only MJ/Russel/Kareem/Magic/Duncan are for sure ahead of him.

Between Bird/Wilt/Kobe/Shaq and Lebron is a close call

The hell you putting Kobe in there? No trolling, Kobe belongs to the Garnett, Dirk, Barkley, pedo strata. Just look up the numbers and the accomplishments. It's clear.

Top 3
MJ, Lebron, Kareem

Tier 2
Magic, Bird, Duncan

Tier 3
Shaq, Hakeem, Moses

Old timers ( can be in any one of these tiers)
Wilt, Russell, Big O, West

The next bunch
Dirk, Garnett, Kobe, Barkley, pedo, McHale, Robinson, Dr. J, Isiah, Stockton, Pippen, etc ...

[Chillen]

You have to be blind to not see the impact LeBron has had on the game the past two decades. The 2000's and 2010's. Absolutely one of the greatest players in NBA history. Better than Michael Jordan, no way but LeBron is a unique NBA player and his game should be appreciated for what it is even if every year he crys he needs more help.

I mean what the Warriors have going on in Golden State with 4 all-stars is ridiculous and not fair for the league. LeBron had help with Wade and Bosh and Kyrie, Kevin Love but the Warriors went 73-9 and choked in the NBA Finals to the Cavs and signed Kevin freaking Durant.

[Clipper Nation]

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Look at the difference in years between both of LeBron's series on this list... 2018 LeBron is outplaying 2009 LeBron at the moment :wow

[spurraider21]

he's certainly the best I've ever seen

2011 will always haunt him, but it's pretty silly to think it defines his legacy

[140]

989496835625639936

Look at the difference in years between both of LeBron's series on this list... 2018 LeBron is outplaying 2009 LeBron at the moment :wow

:wow MJ

GOAT :worthy:

[Darth_Pelican]

Lebron should join AD, Jrue, and Rondo. Let Cousins walk and pay the Kang.

[StrengthAndHonor]

989496835625639936

Look at the difference in years between both of LeBron's series on this list... 2018 LeBron is outplaying 2009 LeBron at the moment :wow
MJ dominating a far superior team in the 80’s :wow

[ambchang]

989496835625639936

Look at the difference in years between both of LeBron's series on this list... 2018 LeBron is outplaying 2009 LeBron at the moment :wow
So DK outplayed everyone?

[Clipper Nation]

So DK outplayed everyone?

Nope. You have to adjust for the difference between the Plumber Era and real competition, tbh.

[ambchang]

Nope. You have to adjust for the difference between the Plumber Era and real competition, tbh.

Yeah, that team led by J:lole J:lolhns:loln (aka the most overpaid player of all time), and J:lol Smith (aka the biggest FA bust of all time) were really something.

:lol a geriatric Mike Bibby

[Clipper Nation]

Yeah, that team led by J:lole J:lolhns:loln (aka the most overpaid player of all time), and J:lol Smith (aka the biggest FA bust of all time) were really something.

:lol a geriatric Mike Bibby
Yeah, if only LeBron was going up against legends like Hersey Hawkins and Gerald Wilkins instead.

[daslicer]

Yeah, if only LeBron was going up against legends like Hersey Hawkins and Gerald Wilkins instead.


:lol If only MJ was guarded by legendary defenders in Lance Stephenson and Thadeus Young things would be different.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol If only MJ was guarded by legendary defenders in Lance Stephenson and Thadeus Young things would be different.

Yeah, must have been tough being guarded by these guys instead:

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[Clipper Nation]

Damn, that '89 Knicks defense was incredible :wow

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[daslicer]

Yeah, must have been tough being guarded by these guys instead:

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Deflecting again do you believe MJ would have struggled against Lance Stephenson and Thadeus Young?

[Clipper Nation]

Deflecting again do you believe MJ would have struggled against Lance Stephenson and Thadeus Young?

He was used to plumbers and janitors. Of course he'd comparatively struggle against real athletes.

Just look at him getting embarrassed on defense by a young pre-prime KG:

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[daslicer]

He was used to plumbers and janitors. Of course he'd comparatively struggle against real athletes.

Just look at him getting embarrassed on defense by a young pre-prime KG:

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All I saw was a 7 foot KG throw down a dunk on Luc Longley. I didn't know MJ was suppose to guard a big man.

[Clipper Nation]

All I saw was a 7 foot KG throw down a dunk on Luc Longley. I didn't know MJ was suppose to guard a big man.

I saw DK shit his pants and start backpedaling when he saw a real athlete coming through.

[daslicer]

I saw DK shit his pants and start backpedaling when he saw a real athlete coming through.

:lol Acting like KG is the first athletic 7fter MJ ever dealt with when he played against Robinson,Hakeem,Alonzo,Ewing,Shaq all the time in his era. Also factor in there was no defensive 3 second violation back then so those guys could protect the paint much better back then compared to now.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Acting like KG is the first athletic 7fter MJ ever dealt with when he played against Robinson,Hakeem,Alonzo,Shaq all the time in his era. Also factor in there was no defensive 3 second violation back then so those guys could protect the paint much better back then compared to now.
Face it, DK was shook. That play was probably the moment he realized that the Plumber Era was coming to an end and it was going to be a brand new league, tbh. :downspin:

[daslicer]

Face it, DK was shook. That play was probably the moment he realized that the Plumber Era was coming to an end and it was going to be a brand new league, tbh. :downspin:

:lol Did Harlem just hack into your account?

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Did Harlem just hack into your account?
N:lolpe. Just stating facts.

[ambchang]

Yeah, if only LeBron was going up against legends like Hersey Hawkins and Gerald Wilkins instead.

Those were barely starters. It’s like saying :lol today’s MVP is dominating against your local mailroom clerk.


Wait, my bad, the reigning mvp is being dominated by a mailroom clerk.

[ambchang]

He was used to plumbers and janitors. Of course he'd comparatively struggle against real athletes.

Just look at him getting embarrassed on defense by a young pre-prime KG:

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That’s why KG dominated in the 90s. Oh wait, he didn’t. He dominated the league still when he was an old man when all his athletic traits were diminished against :lol today’s nba.

[Clipper Nation]

This is some GOAT-level carrying by LeBron, tbh:

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[Avante]

James is an incredible athlete, totally amazing. And he's not done yet. When he hangs it up I have no doubts he'll be on that Mount Rushmore of NBAers and in every GOAT discussion. Not that all that isn't obvious.

[testies]

I can't say he's GOAT, whenever we've played against him, he does'nt impose that "fear" factor when he has the ball, even guys like Westbrook and Durant inflicted more fear on me.

Also, lol at East

[DMC]

The difference between Lebron and Mike is that Mike on another team doesn't make them a Finals contender. We know the ECF flows through Lebron, whatever team he's on. Lebron still hasn't had a Pippen level teammate. Wade was good, but he wasn't as complimentary to Lebron as Pippen was to Jordan.

Oddly, the era where Mike dominated, the best players in the history of the league played. Magic, Larry, Kareem, Isiah, Karl, Stockton, Robinson, Barkley, Ewing, Hakeem, Shaq, Dikembe... Saying those people were soft is really revisionist history.

Lebron is great, every year he climbs a notch on that ladder. Unfortunately when it's all said and done 6 and zero in the finals is hard to beat, with 6 Finals MVPs.

[HarlemHeat37]

The difference between Lebron and Mike is that Mike on another team doesn't make them a Finals contender. We know the ECF flows through Lebron, whatever team he's on. Lebron still hasn't had a Pippen level teammate. Wade was good, but he wasn't as complimentary to Lebron as Pippen was to Jordan.

Oddly, the era where Mike dominated, the best players in the history of the league played. Magic, Larry, Kareem, Isiah, Karl, Stockton, Robinson, Barkley, Ewing, Hakeem, Shaq, Dikembe... Saying those people were soft is really revisionist history.

Lebron is great, every year he climbs a notch on that ladder. Unfortunately when it's all said and done 6 and zero in the finals is hard to beat, with 6 Finals MVPs.

It will be virtually impossible for any NBA player to ever match Jordan's resume, tbh..everything worked out in his favor, in addition to how great of an individual talent he was..not to mention not playing in the social media era where every single possession is overanalyzed..

[StrengthAndHonor]

Yeah, must have been tough being guarded by these guys instead:

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[lefty]

Jordan was the most ref protected player in the history of the game.
Played in the expansion era against c-span anchors and grocery baggers.

And the ringz argument is retarded. LeBron would have those 90s teams tbh :lol

You still want to use the ringz argument? Then Russell is the GOAT.

You can't always move the goal posts :lol

[Bynumite]

Having to use his off arm and fouling while posting up JJ Barea :lmao



https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xWnE1SXnTf6nHq/giphy.gif

[Bynumite]

Lebron stans still talking about the players that guarded MJ :lol

Lebron's biggest choke job and stain on his legacy came while being guarded by a 5'2 midget be@ner. Never forget :lol



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[HarlemHeat37]

I don't know how LeBron is still doing this with the amount of mileage on him, he should be finished..

I recall many Lakers fans on this forum in Kobe-Lebron arguments claiming that LeBron would age terribly:lol

[StrengthAndHonor]

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[HarlemHeat37]

Also, can people stop comparing current LeBron to Bulls Jordan?

LeBron has 44000 minutes on his body..the past few seasons of LeBron should be compared to Wizards Jordan..MJ on the Wizards couldn't even make the playoffs in a horrendous Eastern Conference:lol

[Bynumite]

Amazing how much MJ accomplished in a relatively short career with a few breaks inbetween. At this pace, Lebron would need like 30 years of NBA basketball to match MJ's individual and team awards.

[Chillen]

.MJ on the Wizards couldn't even make the playoffs in a horrendous Eastern Conference:lol

I don't know what the problem with that Jordan Wizards team was, they should have made the playoffs with that roster. I guess guys couldn't make shots and they played poor defense, not MJ's fault. He only came back because he was promised ownership of the team or something like that.

[SuperCam]

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this is all true isn't it? if so :lmao

[StrengthAndHonor]

I don't know what the problem with that Jordan Wizards team was, they should have made the playoffs with that roster. I guess guys couldn't make shots and they played poor defense, not MJ's fault. He only came back because he was promised ownership of the team or something like that.


Jordan was obviously two steps slower. Tendinitis was bothering him throughout the entire season. They were also poorly constructed as a team. IIRC, it was Jahidi White, Kwame Brown and Popeye Jones splitting minutes at the 4 and 5- - an older Hubert Davis was his back up, while Tyron Lue and some dude named Whitney were running the offense :lol

Oh and Doug Collins was the coach.

[Clipper Nation]

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[AlexJones]

Raptors should let him do whatever he wants. Just shut down the Cavs role players and they'll win.

[LkrFan]

GOAT? More like GOAD as in goading refs into getting calls:

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Bin Harden would've been damn proud of det flop :lmao

[LkrFan]

Yeah, must have been tough being guarded by these guys instead:

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Ferocious? :rollin :lmao :rollin

[Bill_Brasky]

Lol cherry picking stats from the 2011 Finals

[Chris Fall]

I don't know how LeBron is still doing this with the amount of mileage on him, he should be finished..

I recall many Lakers fans on this forum in Kobe-Lebron arguments claiming that LeBron would age terribly:lol

More impressively, LeBron is probably 35-36 years old now. He really, really should be done by now. Everyone knows he was like 21 years old out of high school. Det Nigerian birth certificate tbh.

[LkrFan]

I don't know how LeBron is still doing this with the amount of mileage on him, he should be finished..

I recall many Lakers fans on this forum in Kobe-Lebron arguments claiming that LeBron would age terribly:lol

He has det long lasting HGH formula imported from Wakanda tbh :lol

[LkrFan]

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:wow

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:wow

[Bill_Brasky]

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Yeah......

[ambchang]

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:wow

In Kobe's case, he shot 7-22 in the elimination game, and deduced that if he didn't play like shit, the Lakers actually have the players to beat the Celtics pretty easily. Problem is that he didn't play better to eventually beat the Celtics, the Celtics just got injured.

In Lebron's case, he put up a triple double (19 rebs :wow!) and figured that there is no hope for him, because he got horrible teammates, and the only way to win is to quit.

Lebron was wrong though, he could've put up a fake rant on youtube, forcing a "trade" when in reality it was a shout out to the league for more help.

[dfens]

sons anybody arguing kobe over lebron should just quit watching basketball tbh.

dad killer vs lebron isn't over yet. I'd still take dad killer but it's not 100/100, more like 60/100.

[dfens]

:wow

tbh the only :wow I see is the horrible transition defense. real talk indiana '18 are a very good team tbh.

[gambit1990]

iverson recently said "why is it lebron/mj? what about kobe? i think people forgot about him." :lol

[gambit1990]

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[StrengthAndHonor]

tbh the only :wow I see is the horrible transition defense. real talk indiana '18 are a very good team tbh.
Any of the Zo led Miami Heat team would embarrass that Pacers team, Lebron’s 18’ Cavs included.

[dfens]

Any of the Zo led Miami Heat team would embarrass that Pacers team, Lebron’s 18’ Cavs included.

:lmao

son I've seen those heat teams live and they were as era specific as possible. They ain't outscoring today's 3p shooting pacers and they ain't outscoring lebron period, any era.

[Clipper Nation]

Any of the Zo led Miami Heat team would embarrass that Pacers team, Lebron’s 18’ Cavs included.
:lmao

[Neo.]

Any of the Zo led Miami Heat team would embarrass that Pacers team, Lebron’s 18’ Cavs included.

any team with zo as their best player has serious issues in any era other than the mid 90's - early 00's, which are easily among the weakest years of basketball the NBA has ever had.

[StrengthAndHonor]

any team with zo as their best player has serious issues in any era other than the mid 90's - early 00's, which are easily among the weakest years of basketball the NBA has ever had.
:lmao

Tim Hardaway, Jamal Mashburn and Zo would smoke these fools.

[dfens]

:lmao

Tim Hardaway, Jamal Mashburn and Zo would smoke these fools.

son I appreciate the nostalgia but teams would sag the fuck off and double zo and that would be a day. Zo's inside D is quite irrelevant because they'll switch him on the perimeter, as ALL offenses do nowadays. If he gets out he isn't suited for that kind of game, if he stays it's either a direct open 3, or a pass-pass open 3. Also it's very easy to defend against the primitive 90s iso-offenses.

Offenses are much better today tbh, the only thing killing the game is the rigged whistles not letting people d-up, besides that the game has moved on tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao

Tim Hardaway, Jamal Mashburn and Zo would smoke these fools.
:lol It's not the Plumber Era anymore. Time to adjust to the modern day league, tbh.

[Arcadian]

any team with zo as their best player has serious issues in any era other than the mid 90's - early 00's, which are easily among the weakest years of basketball the NBA has ever had.

No, the 70s was the weakest era in the NBA, and arguably also the 80s. There was a ton of great talent in the 90s and 00s.

[Neo.]

No, the 70s was the weakest era in the NBA, and arguably also the 80s. There was a ton of great talent in the 90s and 00s.

I didn't say it was the weakest. I said it was among the weakest.

Also I agree there was great talent at points in both decades. But it was pretty weak during Jordan's second 3-peat, until around 2003 when Dirk/Duncan/Kobe started hitting their primes, as well as the draft with Lebron/Wade/Melo.

[Arcadian]

Lebron is in that Tim Duncan class of players who get better with age in some ways (despite declining in others). He's become a better closer in his late prime.

[RsxPiimp]

Lebron is in that Tim Duncan class of players who get better with age in some ways (despite declining in others). He's become a better closer in his late prime.

totally. phenomenal player that gets better with age tbh.

[JoeTait75]

No, the 70s was the weakest era in the NBA, and arguably also the 80s. There was a ton of great talent in the 90s and 00s.

The '70s get a bad rap because the league was doing so poorly financially, the Finals were being shown on tape delay, etc. Personally I think that the NBA after the merger, when Dr. J, Gervin, Maurice Lucas and Artis Gilmore entered the league, was as competitive and deep as it's ever been. The fact that a team could have the best record in the NBA with only 53 or 54 wins is testimony to how deep the league was. There were too many good players spread around the league for any team to dominate the way the Lakers dominated the '80s, the Bulls dominated the '90s and the Warriors have dominated the last few years.

The late '90s on the other hand were trash. You had six new teams in eight years, thinning the talent pool, and this was before the serious influx of international players began. The fact that a team could win 72 games with Luc Longley and Bill Wennington as their starting centers tells you all you need to know about how competitive the late '90s NBA was.

[Neo.]

The late '90s on the other hand were trash. You had six new teams in eight years, thinning the talent pool, and this was before the serious influx of international players began. The fact that a team could win 72 games with Luc Longley and Bill Wennington as their starting centers tells you all you need to know about how competitive the late '90s NBA was.

this

they were basically a 7 deep team with kukoc and kerr being their best bench players

imagine them competing with benches consisting of andre iguodala, shawn livingston, and nick young, or jordan clarkson, rodney hood, and jeff green

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[DMC]

Careful, Lkrfan loves cabrito.

[Stabula]

Absolute respect for Lebron's combination of natural talent and work ethic to become the player and leader he is tbh. It takes more than physical gifts to become the greatest player of his generation.

[DMC]

Dude went urban assault tonight on the Raptors. Canada has been sacked.

[RsxPiimp]

nuff said

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The King now with a 50% FG efficiency and more game winning shots than MJ:wow

[Kawhitstorm]

Yeah, must have been tough being guarded by these guys instead:

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[Clipper Nation]

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[Kawhitstorm]

I don't know how LeBron is still doing this with the amount of mileage on him, he should be finished..

I recall many Lakers fans on this forum in Kobe-Lebron arguments claiming that LeBron would age terribly:lol

LeBron is physically as indestructible as Malone

[RsxPiimp]

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[baseline bum]

LeBron is physically as indestructible as Malone

The last two minutes of games destroyed Malone routinely tbh

[Kawhitstorm]

Also, can people stop comparing current LeBron to Bulls Jordan?

LeBron has 44000 minutes on his body..the past few seasons of LeBron should be compared to Wizards Jordan..MJ on the Wizards couldn't even make the playoffs in a horrendous Eastern Conference:lol

Jordan is the equivalent of Jon Jones, dude use to get wasted before playoff games while LeBrat has to go dark on social media & live in a hyperbaric chamber beat the Pacers.:lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

The last two minutes of games destroyed Malone routinely tbh

That's the same dude that owned :lolDavid "softest player in NBA history" Robinson:lol

[Clipper Nation]

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And Kobe stans think there was ever a debate between him and LeGOAT :lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

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And Kobe stans think there was ever a debate between him and LeGOAT :lmao

LeBrat passed up Kirby in high school:lmao

[Jules_Winnfield]

The King now with a 50% FG efficiency and more game winning shots than MJ:wow

I think he missed one recently with 0.6 on the clock. Game 1 in Toronto? Not sure..

[daslicer]

Lebron getting ready to be the basketball martyr version of Jesus Christ when he loses to the Warriors again in the finals.

[sickdsm]

May 5th 2018.


The day I decided without a shadow of a doubt that LeBron is the GOAT. I've also decided next winter I'm taking my boys to a game so they can be a witness also.

[Clipper Nation]

More proof of why LeGOAT is the greatest:


Former Cleveland Cavaliers general manager David Griffin said Cavs superstar LeBron James was telling Toronto Raptors players how to run their own plays during the team's second-round sweep in the 2017 NBA playoffs.

On Thursday, William Lou of The Score passed along comments Griffin made about the situation during an appearance on The Bill Simmons Podcast.

"I was in the gym when I watched him on the floor against Toronto tell Patrick Patterson where he was supposed to go on the play they had called out of a timeout late in the fourth quarter," Griffin said. "He was like 'no Pat, you're supposed to stand over there and set a pin down for DeMar (DeRozan) over here.'"

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2775366

[sickdsm]

More proof of why LeGOAT is the greatest:



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2775366
That's some ice cold shit right there.

[baseline bum]

May 5th 2018.


The day I decided without a shadow of a doubt that LeBron is the GOAT. I've also decided next winter I'm taking my boys to a game so they can be a witness also.

It just seems ridiculous to me that this guy came into the league in 2003 and he is still unquestionably the top player in the game. The only year since 2007 where you might have been able to make an argument he wasn't the best player in the season was 2016 with how hot Curry was, and that's the year he shit all over the 73 win Warriors in the Finals. It's inhuman to be the runaway best player in the league fifteen years in. In 2006 I think Kobe was the best player in the league, but it has been all LeBron since. Definitely get your kids to a game, because TV doesn't properly capture how sick of an athlete this guy is.

[baseline bum]

More proof of why LeGOAT is the greatest:



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2775366

Damn I remember Duncan used to do that kind of shit too, but never in a playoff game. Tells you how threatened he felt by the Raptors. :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Damn I remember Duncan used to do that kind of shit too, but never in a playoff game. Tells you how threatened he felt by the Raptors. :lmao
I was just thinking that Duncan is probably where LeBron got that idea from. KG did it all the time as well.

[Phenomanul]

Talk about getting in their heads...

[ambchang]

It just seems ridiculous to me that this guy came into the league in 2003 and he is still unquestionably the top player in the game. The only year since 2007 where you might have been able to make an argument he wasn't the best player in the season was 2016 with how hot Curry was, and that's the year he shit all over the 73 win Warriors in the Finals. It's inhuman to be the runaway best player in the league fifteen years in. In 2006 I think Kobe was the best player in the league, but it has been all LeBron since. Definitely get your kids to a game, because TV doesn't properly capture how sick of an athlete this guy is.

That's PEDs talking. Advances in today's "medicine and training".

[dfens]

That's PEDs talking. Advances in today's "medicine and training".

like they weren't taking PED's back in the day son. Nigga is taking care of his body compared to DK who was 24/7 clubbing and gambling with his father's life in vegas smh.

[Clipper Nation]

like they weren't taking PED's back in the day son. Nigga is taking care of his body compared to DK who was 24/7 clubbing and gambling with his father's life in vegas smh.
Olympians were taking PEDs in the '50s. Football players were taking them in the '60s. If anyone thinks NBA players haven't been taking PEDs since before even the DK era, they're naive.

[ambchang]

like they weren't taking PED's back in the day son. Nigga is taking care of his body compared to DK who was 24/7 clubbing and gambling with his father's life in vegas smh.

Not to the sophistication’s of :lol today’s medicine.

[baseline bum]

Not to the sophistication’s of :lol today’s medicine.

They sure didn't work for Wade or Anthony in that draft class.

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like they weren't taking PED's back in the day son. Nigga is taking care of his body compared to DK who was 24/7 clubbing and gambling with his father's life in vegas smh.
Another reason MJ is the goat tbh :lol nigga didn't give a fuck

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol lebron the fluke shot artists... 3-6 finals record, soon to be 3-7... he cant chase jordan, so he chased to be n ext clown nba logo

[dfens]

Another reason MJ is the goat tbh :lol nigga didn't give a fuck

son I agree tbh, I think him and maradona gotta be from the same mold, some real alpha nigga shit tbh :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Another reason MJ is the goat tbh :lol nigga didn't give a fuck
Just shows how weak :lol yesterday's NBA was, tbh. DK didn't have to work out because it's not like playing against those plumbers and grocery baggers was strenuous.

[dfens]

Just shows how weak :lol yesterday's NBA was, tbh. DK didn't have to work out because it's not like playing against those plumbers and grocery baggers was strenuous.

son dad killer had that alpha nigga swag for his entire career, lebron got it only in '12. Right now lebron > dk in my eyes but career wise it pretty much a wash (given lebron's historically strong competition). Lebron really lacked a decent coach to man him up, instead they just gave him clowns to keep him a happy manchild... management fail tbh.

[lefty]

That swag didn't show up until Stern changed the rules for MJ tbh

Anybody can have alpha swag when he knows Stern has his back

[Clipper Nation]

That swag didn't show up until Stern changed the rules for MJ tbh

Anybody can have alpha swag when he knows Stern has his back
:lol The Bad Boy Pistons literally made DK cry every year until Stern stepped in to neuter them. Some "swag."

Stern, Phil and MVPippen were the true alphas in Chicago, tbh. DK was an omega male.

[lefty]

:lol The Bad Boy Pistons literally made DK cry every year until Stern stepped in to neuter them. Some "swag."

Stern, Phil and MVPippen were the true alphas in Chicago, tbh. DK was an omega male.


"But MJ DPOY"
Pippen and Rodman could D up almost everybody tbh...SF, PF, PG, SG

Not to mention he was allowed to grab, push, Karate kick those c-span anchors.

"But MJ DOMINATED DREXLER"
What a load of BS. Jordan had Pippen. Clyde didn't

MJ wasn't better than Clyde.

There, I said it

[RsxPiimp]

only thing mj has over bron is really the jordan brand legacy but that all depends in what perspective. bron’s line is known for bringing awareness to equality and social injustice, jordans will forever be linked to prioritizing the bottom line over anything.

[Othyus Lalanne]

lol lebron the fluke shot artists... 3-6 finals record, soon to be 3-7... he cant chase jordan, so he chased to be n ext clown nba logo

I fuckjjng hope he won't come out of the East this year.