Rookie Murray...

[duncan2k5]

Just wanna shout him out...He learned quickly from that last game...Was much more composed vs Beverly this game...Had some really nice drives and passes...He just needs to have better defensive awareness, but I'm sure that will come as he plays more, because he definitely has the energy

[DMC]

Spurs are built and really accustomed to having a scoring PG, not a passing PG. They don't really have the guns to do anything with passes, except pass back out. Unless Murray can score 20 a night, he's not going to be the starting PG.

[Arcadian]

It's quite refreshing having a pass-first PG with size for a change. Idk if he matches up well with Houston, but I like him in general.

[Mikeanaro]

Spurs are built and really accustomed to having a scoring PG, not a passing PG. They don't really have the guns to do anything with passes, except pass back out. Unless Murray can score 20 a night, he's not going to be the starting PG.
Yeah but they should adapt, most scoring PG are cancers, excepting Conley, CP3 and maybe some other guy.

[dabom]

It's quite refreshing having a pass-first PG with size for a change. Idk if he matches up well with Houston, but I like him in general.

He hasn't shown any flashes of passing...

[coachmac87]

Spurs are built and really accustomed to having a scoring PG, not a passing PG. They don't really have the guns to do anything with passes, except pass back out. Unless Murray can score 20 a night, he's not going to be the starting PG.

Spurs are accustomed to having an "ELITE PG" who can break down a defense in PNR sequences...

[duncan2k5]

Spurs are built and really accustomed to having a scoring PG, not a passing PG. They don't really have the guns to do anything with passes, except pass back out. Unless Murray can score 20 a night, he's not going to be the starting PG.

What rookie pg cab score 20 a night? Dont be ridiculous

[GSH]

Just wanna shout him out..

Murray says, "Heeeyy."

[DMC]

Yeah but they should adapt, most scoring PG are cancers, excepting Conley, CP3 and maybe some other guy.

I agree they should adapt. They should look for some good shooters who are decent defenders in transition and get a passing PG (George Hill might be available soon, but I was thinking someone with court vision).

[DMC]

What rookie pg cab score 20 a night? Dont be ridiculous

You think Pop is going to start a rookie PG?

[DMC]

Spurs are accustomed to having an "ELITE PG" who can break down a defense in PNR sequences...

Not for quite some time. They've instead settle for someone who can sometimes get into the paint and who will run Pop's plays and go to their spots. Tony is a cerebral PG, not super intelligent but you can tell when he's playing that he's thinking, not just runaway train (most of the time). Problem is he doesn't have the ability to do that now but his shot was coming back before his quad headed out. Like any competitive team, the Spurs need an elite PG. Elite doesn't just mean scoring a lot though, but these days it does mean a threat from 3, ability to break down a defender and get to the cup and the vision to find open shooters.

[longhorn]

Spurs are built and really accustomed to having a scoring PG, not a passing PG. They don't really have the guns to do anything with passes, except pass back out. Unless Murray can score 20 a night, he's not going to be the starting PG.

Parker only scored 20+ twice in his entire career, yet you're setting that as the minimum requirement for our 20 y/o PG to become a starter? Get real.

[DMC]

Parker only scored 20+ twice in his entire career, yet you're setting that as the minimum requirement for our 20 y/o PG to become a starter? Get real.

What? lol Parker only scored 20+ points twice in his career? Did you mean "averaged"?

There's no Tim Duncan now. These are the PG days. A PG has to be able to score. Show me a competitive team that doesn't have a scoring PG OR Lebron James.

http://i.imgur.com/KuFX4hE.jpg

[longhorn]

What? lol Parker only scored 20+ points twice in his career? Did you mean "averaged"?

There's no Tim Duncan now. These are the PG days. A PG has to be able to score. Show me a competitive team that doesn't have a scoring PG OR Lebron James.

You said Murray needs to be able to score 20 a night which I think is pretty logically the equivalent, and not a stretch to think so at all, of averaging at least 20 ppg, which Parker has done only twice in his career.

With a talent like Kawhi on our offense we don't need to have a PG do it all. With Murray's frame, an athletic 6'5 PG could be a lethal threat next to Kawhi. Kawhi wasn't what he is now when we first started him, but the amount of hands-on experience being put in a starter role is huge in rapid development. Dejounte has all the things you'd look for in an athletic, tall PG with promising ability to drive and finish. Don't think it's a stretch to say he has All-Star potential. So why would you bench him unless you've got an All-Star in the starting spot?

[DMC]

You said Murray needs to be able to score 20 a night which I think is pretty logically the equivalent, and not a stretch to think so at all, of averaging at least 20 ppg, which Parker has done only twice in his career.

With a talent like Kawhi on our offense we don't need to have a PG do it all. With Murray's frame, an athletic 6'5 PG could be a lethal threat next to Kawhi. Kawhi wasn't what he is now when we first started him, but the amount of hands-on experience being put in a starter role is huge in rapid development. Dejounte has all the things you'd look for in an athletic, tall PG with promising ability to drive and finish. Don't think it's a stretch to say he has All-Star potential. So why would you bench him unless you've got an All-Star in the starting spot?

Parker played his entire career with Tim Duncan and mostly Manu Ginobili. Who's the Tim and Manu now?

A new PG needs to be able to score unless we get a Paul George or Gordon Hayward (gag). We'll get neither. They are too far from retirement.

It's a huge stretch to say Murray has all star potential. It's a stretch to say he has Devin Harris potential.

[longhorn]

Kawhi is the anchor defensively and our top offensive threat/ballhandler so he has elements of both Tim and Manu. While scoring more than either of them ever did by themselves.

Note that the guys who have All-Star SFs (Curry, Irving) are the only PGs on that list who are actually in contention for the Championship, and they aren't in the top 5 scorers in the league. We don't need Murray to be our offensive engine year one of starting when we have Kawhi. We need him to be able to penetrate and cause havoc on the drive more than anything else and Murray has the potential to do that.

And what the fuck are you bringing up Hayward and Paul George for in a conversation about Dejounte Murray? They are max guys and play the same position as Kawhi.

[longhorn]

You should have a nice dictionary date with the word potential; it seems like you think it means something other than what it actually does.

[picnroll]

Murray has to get a lot stronger and develop a reliable outside shot before he's going to come close to tickling 20 ppg. He's got a whole lot of work to this summer and a few more to come.

[DMC]

You should have a nice dictionary date with the word potential; it seems like you think it means something other than what it actually does.

In order to assess potential, you have to have a gauge. You don't have one. You're just throwing out wild ass guesses with fandom built in. There's absolutely zero reason to think Murray has all star potential, unless you think everyone in the NBA has all star potential.

[DMC]

Kawhi is the anchor defensively and our top offensive threat/ballhandler so he has elements of both Tim and Manu. While scoring more than either of them ever did by themselves.

Note that the guys who have All-Star SFs (Curry, Irving) are the only PGs on that list who are actually in contention for the Championship, and they aren't in the top 5 scorers in the league. We don't need Murray to be our offensive engine year one of starting when we have Kawhi. We need him to be able to penetrate and cause havoc on the drive more than anything else and Murray has the potential to do that.

And what the fuck are you bringing up Hayward and Paul George for in a conversation about Dejounte Murray? They are max guys and play the same position as Kawhi.

Well yeah, there are only 2 teams in contention for a championship. No shit.

Are you really this fucking stupid? Wanna be troll is wanna be. Go back into your shell until the next post season, faggot.

[Truth4sale$]

The bottom line of it all, is murray is a rookie point guard who barely played in the regular season with the exception of dleague and a few key games. He was thrown into a starting role in the middle of the playoffs against one of the toughest defenders. In two games he has shown growth, his athletic ability and effort. Give him a break, after a off season working with the coaches, he will be vastly improved. We should all be happy he fell to the spurs. The point guard spot for the future is bright, in comparrison to the power forward/ center position, which needs youth and athleticism.

[DMC]

The bottom line of it all, is murray is a rookie point guard who barely played in the regular season with the exception of dleague and a few key games. He was thrown into a starting role in the middle of the playoffs against one of the toughest defenders. In two games he has shown growth, his athletic ability and effort. Give him a break, after a off season working with the coaches, he will be vastly improved. We should all be happy he fell to the spurs. The point guard spot for the future is bright, in comparrison to the power forward/ center position, which needs youth and athleticism.

You haven't posted from this account in 4 years.

:lol gnsf

[BackHome]

Man people saying our future PG needs to score 20 a game are you serious? Cause we had a tons of shitty takes about wanting a passing PG and now u saying we need a scoring PG. which is it?

[DMC]

You should have a nice dictionary date with the word potential; it seems like you think it means something other than what it actually does.

Another 2013 account that's posted once since then.

Some pinked gnsf trying to build.

[duncan2k5]

You think Pop is going to start a rookie PG?

Last time he did that, we ended up with Tony Parker...So why not? Murray has more talent than parker did as a rookie

[duncan2k5]

And Murray DOES have all star potential...He has elite length, he has quickness, handles, and he is above average athletic for the pg position...The physical tools are there...Look at the Greek freak...He had the physical tools...That plays a part in saying someone has potential...He has shown flashes of greatness in some games he has played this season, but he never had consistent minutes, because like we are seeing now with Dedmon, pop would just sit him numerous games after he had a great game

[DMC]

Last time he did that, we ended up with Tony Parker...So why not? Murray has more talent than parker did as a rookie

Murray can't bring the ball up the floor without turning it over. He might be good one day, but right now he's just a scrub name on the bench. No Parker injury and you might never hear from him again.

[SASdynasty!]

He's playing well, but he's not exactly replacing Parker by any means, sadly.

Series stats:

Parker: 15/4 on 50% shooting
Murray: 4/2 on 28% shooting

[dabom]

If only Parker could last a playoff series without getting injured.

[SASdynasty!]

If only Parker could last a playoff series without getting injured.
Exactly, the guy pretty much wins FMVP when he does.

[dabom]

Exactly, the guy pretty much wins FMVP when he does.

The problem has been that he can't play half way decent for a prolong period of time, hence a couple of people wanting to start a more reliable player.

Who even thinks he would be injured right now if he came off the bench? I'd prefer 15-18mins of MVParker over 30 mins of porker.

[jag]

I like Murray. I think his length and athleticism give him an advantage over most PGs he'll match up against.

He's a rookie that hasn't seen the floor much and is facing the best defensive PG in the league. It's a tough situation to walk into.

I have no idea what his ceiling is, maybe George Hill? Let's not pretend he was a lottery pick, or place lottery expectations on him because he had some nice layups.

He's physically gifted, but his development will hinge mostly on his ability to work his ass off in the offseason and accept criticism. I don't know how anyone here could begin to speak to his worth ethic. He could be very well be a focused and diligent professional in the offseason, or he could be a lazy shithead.

[SAGirl]

Murray has to get a lot stronger and develop a reliable outside shot before he's going to come close to tickling 20 ppg. He's got a whole lot of work to this summer and a few more to come.
This is a very realistic opinion.
It's not all going to get done in one summer.

[longhorn]

Well yeah, there are only 2 teams in contention for a championship. No shit.

Are you really this fucking stupid? Wanna be troll is wanna be. Go back into your shell until the next post season, faggot.

lol'ing at you resorting to calling people faggots and thinking having a black username on a dying message board means jack shit to anyone but you :lol

still no valid defense for your made-up 20 PPG standard in order to start Murray :lol

[duncan2k5]

Murray can't bring the ball up the floor without turning it over. He might be good one day, but right now he's just a scrub name on the bench. No Parker injury and you might never hear from him again.

U are making stuff up now...When did he turn it over last game? Or during the season, when did he turn the ball over just bringing it up the court?

[duncan2k5]

He's playing well, but he's not exactly replacing Parker by any means, sadly.

Series stats:

Parker: 15/4 on 50% shooting
Murray: 4/2 on 28% shooting

U are comparing a guy who has the greenlight to score whenever he wants and plays a LOT more minutes than Murray...You know better...Be smart about your arguments

[SASdynasty!]

U are comparing a guy who has the greenlight to score whenever he wants and plays a LOT more minutes than Murray...You know better...Be smart about your arguments
That's great, but then why are we impressed with 4/2 on 28%? What NBA player couldn't put up those numbers? Especially when they're starting?! What did you guys expect from Murray as a starter, 2/1 on 15% shooting? Parker in his rookie playoff debut dropped 17/4 on 50% on the greatest PG defender of all time.

Parker could probably still put up 4/2 on 28% with his injury tbh.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Murray looks just as much a scorer at the rim as he is a passer.

What you're really saying is he needs to develop an outside shot. He also needs about 15 pounds of lean sinewy thick muscle

[duncan2k5]

That's great, but then why are we impressed with 4/2 on 28%? What NBA player couldn't put up those numbers? Especially when they're starting?! What did you guys expect from Murray as a starter, 2/1 on 15% shooting? Parker in his rookie playoff debut dropped 17/4 on 50% on the greatest PG defender of all time.

Parker could probably still put up 4/2 on 28% with his injury tbh.

Parker was starting for the entire season!!!! And Payton was old! No comparison whatsoever!!! Smh!

[duncan2k5]

You make it rookie tony Parker play against pat Beverly after not playing him basically the entire season and post season...Then play him for ten minutes...Afterwards compare that to a vet point guard with the greenlight to shoot that plays 25-30 minutes, then compare the stats...Ridiculous!

[picnroll]

Since Murray has more potential than Parker I'm looking forward to him averaging 15.5 ppg on .464 shooting the way Parker did in year two.

[DPG21920]

:lmao Just as ridiculous as people screaming "This team is better with Murray"! Now arguing the flip side "he's a rookie PG! Give him a break!".

[picnroll]

:lmao Just as ridiculous as people screaming "This team is better with Murray"! Now arguing the flip side "he's a rookie PG! Give him a break!".
I have no problem giving Murray a break. He has some good tools to work with and has a good chance of being a steal. That said some people don't seem to realize Parker was a ridiculously high steal that probability-wise it's unlikely Murray will match.

[DPG21920]

I have no problem giving Murray a break. He has some good tools to work with and has a good chance of being a steal. That said some people don't seem to realize Parker was a ridiculously high steal that probability-wise it's unlikely Murray will match.

I agree. I'm not knocking Murray at all. He deserves a break and proper expectations. I'm just laughing so much that people's hate of TP can cloud their judgement so, so badly. Especially with regards to this year. Especially for people that clearly don't watch the team play before they talk.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lmao Just as ridiculous as people screaming "This team is better with Murray"! Now arguing the flip side "he's a rookie PG! Give him a break!".
:lol tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

Since Murray has more potential than Parker I'm looking forward to him averaging 15.5 ppg on .464 shooting the way Parker did in year two.
We're being set up for disappointment if we're placing Top 3 Spur of all time expectations on Murray, tbh. I do believe he can be the 2nd best spurs guard ever only behind HOTS though :tu

[DMC]

U are making stuff up now...When did he turn it over last game? Or during the season, when did he turn the ball over just bringing it up the court?

You must not actually watch games. In game 3 he turned the ball over repeatedly. He was only given 2 turnovers, possibly because Houston didn't gain possession long enough before losing it out of bounds, but he was really challenged to handle the ball up top without losing it. In game 4, he dribbled the ball right into his defender and basically handed it to him. That's not something your PG needs to be doing. I can see someone like Danny Green doing it. Murray is raw, of course.

[picnroll]

Murray has a thin frame and he's never going to be a bruiser. IMO if he can develop along the lines of Barnes, Christie, Cooper strength-wise it will be a big plus and a success in that department. That and a good stroke will give him a very good shot at being a very nice steal.

[cjw]

If only Parker could last a playoff series without getting injured.

He managed to play the entire last round. Short memory?

Re: Murray, he was in a similar spot this year to where CoJo was his rookie season in terms of age coming into the league. Has more maturing and physical growth needed so he's not the skinniest player outside of Brandon Ingram, but not sure you could have expected someone at his position at his age in this system to do more in year 1.

[DPG21920]

You must not actually watch games. In game 3 he turned the ball over repeatedly. He was only given 2 turnovers, possibly because Houston didn't gain possession long enough before losing it out of bounds, but he was really challenged to handle the ball up top without losing it. In game 4, he dribbled the ball right into his defender and basically handed it to him. That's not something your PG needs to be doing. I can see someone like Danny Green doing it. Murray is raw, of course.

Ya, I don't know what this guy is talking about but he clearly doesn't watch games. He didn't even know Murray got injured FOR WEEKS.

He's acting like people are saying Murray can't literally dribble the ball up the floor with no one around him. That is not what people have said. We've said his handle is very loose and against pressure, like Mills, his lack of true NBA starting level handle is exposed more.

Can it change? Of course. Will it change? Hopefully. Mills still struggles with it and he's been in the NBA a long, long, time.

[DPG21920]

He managed to play the entire last round. Short memory?

Re: Murray, he was in a similar spot this year to where CoJo was his rookie season in terms of age coming into the league. Has more maturing and physical growth needed so he's not the skinniest player outside of Brandon Ingram, but not sure you could have expected someone at his position at his age in this system to do more in year 1.

What is also funny is that using this line of logic should then cast some doubt on Murray as well. Many people were concerned with his frame and the ability to stay healthy. He already suffered an injury in his first year. Sure, it was not a broken bone or ligament, but the point remains.

[duncan2k5]

You make it rookie tony Parker play against pat Beverly after not playing him basically the entire season and post season...Then play him for ten minutes...Afterwards compare that to a vet point guard with the greenlight to shoot that plays 25-30 minutes, then compare the stats...Ridiculous!

[duncan2k5]

Ya, I don't know what this guy is talking about but he clearly doesn't watch games. He didn't even know Murray got injured FOR WEEKS.

He's acting like people are saying Murray can't literally dribble the ball up the floor with no one around him. That is not what people have said. We've said his handle is very loose and against pressure, like Mills, his lack of true NBA starting level handle is exposed more.

Can it change? Of course. Will it change? Hopefully. Mills still struggles with it and he's been in the NBA a long, long, time.
U are comparing the handles of patty mills to Murray? Maybe u guys haven't been watching Murray before he was on the sours, but dude has handle! He just hasn't had enough time vs NBA players...Even parker has dribbled his way into turnovers before...What are u talking about?? Murray was going against pat Bev...And he handled it way better in game 4 after he got a taste...Parker has been in the league of years and still manages to dribble into turnovers...U are holding our rookie to an impossible standard

[DPG21920]

Is your name rePete?

[duncan2k5]

Since Murray has more potential than Parker I'm looking forward to him averaging 15.5 ppg on .464 shooting the way Parker did in year two.

Why? Parker was the starter his entire rookie year...How can you compare that to murray? Murray's first full year as a full starter WILL be better than Tony's first full year as a starter...Bank on thag

[duncan2k5]

I have no problem giving Murray a break. He has some good tools to work with and has a good chance of being a steal. That said some people don't seem to realize Parker was a ridiculously high steal that probability-wise it's unlikely Murray will match.

We would have NEVER known Parker was a steal if we didnt give him the chance...

[bic50]

I see plenty of potential in Murray. Rather develop him then sign cp3

[DPG21920]

U are comparing the handles of patty mills to Murray? Maybe u guys haven't been watching Murray before he was on the sours, but dude has handle! He just hasn't had enough time vs NBA players...Even parker has dribbled his way into turnovers before...What are u talking about?? Murray was going against pat Bev...And he handled it way better in game 4 after he got a taste...Parker has been in the league of years and still manages to dribble into turnovers...U are holding our rookie to an impossible standard

:lmao acting like Murray's handle is anywhere near TP's

You wanted the rookie to start over TP but are crying when people then hold him to that expectation? Makes no damn sense.

[duncan2k5]

And of course i i Murray was injired...You chose to ignore the point i was making in that post...He was healthy before the playoffs started...All those minutes went to our 3th string pg...That is mismanagement because now we are in a position where we WISH he was given more experience in the regular season...Pop barely played him before AND after the injury...Stop pretending as if he was a regular part of the rotation...The only reason Pop didn't play him regular minutes was to put Jim in his place...He is a young, black american kid who has some sauce to his game...If Murray did half the stuff many did as a rookie in terms of turnovers, he would never see the court... but he was never given the same chance that international players are given under Pop despite their shortcomings...I guarantee if we need a defensive stop, Pop will play Pau over Dedmon

[duncan2k5]

:lmao acting like Murray's handle is anywhere near TP's

You wanted the rookie to start over TP but are crying when people then hold him to that expectation? Makes no damn sense.

U aren't making the same expectation tho! U are comparing tony parker after a FULL year of starting to Murray...How is that the same expectation? And rookie Murray does have better handles than rookie Parker... BTW there is a difference between ball control and handles...Murray can do more with the ball now than than ever could...But with more experience, his ball control will improve... we seem to forget tony couldn't be trusted in big games early in his career...He was benched for speedy Claxton in the finals...Stop pretending as if tony was legendary when he was young...We were considering getting an old Jason Kidd... ppl wanted George hill to start...Tony is vastly overrated on here

[dabom]

He managed to play the entire last round. Short memory?

Re: Murray, he was in a similar spot this year to where CoJo was his rookie season in terms of age coming into the league. Has more maturing and physical growth needed so he's not the skinniest player outside of Brandon Ingram, but not sure you could have expected someone at his position at his age in this system to do more in year 1.

TP was showing signs of injury already. Constantly going to the locker rooms during games. Are you a fucking moron? :lol

[duncan2k5]

:lmao acting like Murray's handle is anywhere near TP's

You wanted the rookie to start over TP but are crying when people then hold him to that expectation? Makes no damn sense.

U aren't making the same expectation tho! U are comparing tony parker after a FULL year of starting to Murray...How is that the same expectation? And rookie Murray does have better handles than rookie Parker... BTW there is a difference between ball control and handles...Murray can do more with the ball now than than ever could...But with more experience, his ball control will improve... we seem to forget tony couldn't be trusted in big games early in his career...He was benched for speedy Claxton in the finals...Stop pretending as if tony was legendary when he was young...We were considering getting an old Jason Kidd... ppl wanted George hill to start...Tony is vastly overrated on here

[duncan2k5]

I can't wait to say "I told you so" when Murray becomes an all star

[picnroll]

I can't wait to say "I told you so" when Murray becomes an all star

I can't wait until he becomes an all star 6 times and all NBA 4 times so you can tell us you told us so.

[bic50]

I can't wait until he becomes an all star 6 times and all NBA 4 times so you can tell us you told us so.
hope that happens.

[RD2191]

Is DPG the biggest faggot on this site? Yes or yes?

[duncan2k5]

I can't wait until he becomes an all star 6 times and all NBA 4 times so you can tell us you told us so.

Me neither...

[DMC]

You make it rookie tony Parker play against pat Beverly after not playing him basically the entire season and post season...Then play him for ten minutes...Afterwards compare that to a vet point guard with the greenlight to shoot that plays 25-30 minutes, then compare the stats...Ridiculous!

So then your reasoning is that any rookie is as good as Tony Parker or that any rookie will become as good as Tony Parker, so then all rookies should get the chance to start.

[DMC]

Is DPG the biggest faggot on this site? Yes or yes?
No your slot is safe.

[RD2191]

No your slot is safe.

Oh shit, I forgot about you fat hands.

[cd021]

Murray has to get a lot stronger and develop a reliable outside shot before he's going to come close to tickling 20 ppg. He's got a whole lot of work to this summer and a few more to come.

I've liked his shooting stroke so far, he looks to be a better shooter than I expected of him already. Spurs seem to keep getting their hands on wings with shaky shooting (Anderson, Simmons) hopefully he can be a average to above average 3pt shooter to compliment his driving game.

[SASdynasty!]

I have no problem giving Murray a break. He has some good tools to work with and has a good chance of being a steal. That said some people don't seem to realize Parker was a ridiculously high steal that probability-wise it's unlikely Murray will match.
Exactly...odds Murray sweeps a top-5 player and wins FMVP while doing it? Pretty low tbh.

[SASdynasty!]

You make it rookie tony Parker play against pat Beverly after not playing him basically the entire season and post season...Then play him for ten minutes...Afterwards compare that to a vet point guard with the greenlight to shoot that plays 25-30 minutes, then compare the stats...Ridiculous!
Rookie Parker could put up 4/2 on 28% blindfolded.

[SASdynasty!]

I can't wait until he becomes an all star 6 times and all NBA 4 times so you can tell us you told us so.
And then FMVP

[duncan2k5]

Rookie Parker could put up 4/2 on 28% blindfolded.

No he couldn't... not if he barely played in the regular season, then suddenly got 10 minutes a game with one of the games being on the road vs the best pg defender in the league...I think we are overrating TP...W forgot how bad he fell off the map in the Lakers series in 04...He was 5 years in at that point...He has been very hit or miss...Now imagine a rookie version of that who hasn't played in the regular season, then only giving him 10 minutes a game for 2 playoff Gamez...His numbers would be worse...For goodness sakes he had a postseason game THIS YEAR where he scored 0 points!

[tholdren]

I wanted to see Murray tbh. bout the 3rd steal in the first 3 possessions I didn't need to see anymore. if you are a pg and you can't dribble to initiate offense you shouldn't be a pro... sad how zero intelligence is not a red flag when drafting

[palangi]

Pop is punishing Murray for scoring last game and staying to look good.

[tholdren]

Pop is punishing Murray for scoring last game and staying to look good.

he dribbles as well as green and he's a pg.... get over it

[palangi]

he dribbles as well as green and he's a pg.... get over it

Embellish. Look it up