Murray is our future

[Cklbmk]

Anyone who doesn't see it is blind.

Best rebounder on the court today. Best playmaker. Amazing defensively. Not to mention kid can score.

What happens when he adds 20 pounds?

[Spurs9]

We need to keep Simmons too tbh. Some team like the Nets will probably offer him $20mil a year after these playoffs :cry

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Yeah he needs to put on at least 20 pounds. 170 at 6'5" won't cut it

[lilbthebasedgod]

What happens when he adds 20 pounds?
He gets slower?

[DAF86]

The keyyyyys.

[weebo]

We need to keep Simmons too tbh. Some team like the Nets will probably offer him $20mil a year after these playoffs :cry

Simmons would be wise to stick around and carve a place in the rotation OR he can get paid by some scrub team and go way of Gary "choo-choo" Neal.

[objective]

I hated on the pick and was really down on his defense based on his college footage where he looked so clueless on team defense that wasn't him gambling that he looked far, far away from being able to stay on the court.

He has progressed so much, and was so much better on defense for awareness and mentality pretty much from training camp that it's incredible.

Glad he makes me look foolish. Something must be up with the coaching at that college because Criss has been better in the NBA also from what I saw.

[8FOR!3]

He's still very green in my eyes. Flashes tons of potential at times, other nights he makes more mistakes. I'd say the upside is definitely there and he's had some big games for a rookie who wasn't really expected to provide anything this year. It'll all depend on how he develops but you'd think if he develops at all he's gonna be a heck of a player.

[sananspursfan21]

The keyyyyys.

I read this in Pimp C's voice

[Trueblood]

Murray needs to go to SDSU with the klaw and chip to run two a day practices with Kawhi. Put on a little weight and practice bringing the ball up the court against a two time DPOY and he'll be set to start game one!

[DMC]

Bangkok, oriental city...

Sorry, just joining in giving Murray Head.

[peacemaker885]

Yup.

[MultiTroll]

Anyone who doesn't see it is blind.

Best rebounder on the court today. Best playmaker. Amazing defensively. Not to mention kid can score.

What happens when he adds 20 pounds?
Kwa Leonard Lite potential.

[rastaspur]

Kid has alot of upside. Called him as my preferred pick for the spurs. Didnt think he would make an impact in year 1. He is ahead of the curve.

Why? He is a hard worker apparently.

Also - not scared of the big stage. Has swagger and believes he can play with anyone. Confidence is huge.

[illusioNtEk]

Fuck cp3 and Lowry tbh.... Start Murray and sign Patty

[PopTheGOAT]

Fuck cp3 and Lowry tbh.... Start Murray and sign Patty
Yep. Sign a 2 guard that has a nice 3, tbh.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Kwa Leonard Lite potential.


Scoring comes easier for Murray.

[SASdynasty!]

He averaged 5/2 on 36% for the Houston series. I agree he was promising but that's a pretty bad series overall.

[spursistan]

862871070751195136

vs a quitting, no-D Rockets team, but kid is showing flashes of greatness..

[TheDoctor]

Anyone who doesn't see it is blind.

Best rebounder on the court today. Best playmaker. Amazing defensively. Not to mention kid can score.

What happens when he adds 20 pounds?

He becomes a Porker?

[illusioNtEk]

Let's not rush this kid to gain weight.... look what happen to Ben Simmons for God's sake

[DMC]

He becomes a Porker?


Let's not rush this kid to gain weight.... look what happen to Ben Simmons for God's sake

:lol

[palangi]

Yeah he needs to put on at least 20 pounds. 170 at 6'5" won't cut it

The whole weight thing is stupid. It's basketball he is fine. Does he need to get stronger? No doubt. But he doesn't need to bulk up to play PG.

[SAGirl]

I hated on the pick and was really down on his defense based on his college footage where he looked so clueless on team defense that wasn't him gambling that he looked far, far away from being able to stay on the court.

He has progressed so much, and was so much better on defense for awareness and mentality pretty much from training camp that it's incredible.

Glad he makes me look foolish. Something must be up with the coaching at that college because Criss has been better in the NBA also from what I saw.
It might be a bad article bc it was from someone criticizing Dejounte, but they said the coach just coddles them and babies them, etc... (probably a way to recruit talent one thinks, though I won't presume to know about it bc I don't)... but basically the report was that the coaches are not very tough or demanding of their talent which leads to them doing whatever they want. There could be some truth to that in hindsight.

[pgardn]

I learned the kid had usable length.

Other than that, way too quick on the draw.
Very glad we got him though, patience.
He took and made at least two really bad/tough shots tonight. He did snag some nice rebounds though.

[YGWHI]

Even in an ugly loss like game 4 he improved. And did it again tonight :tu

Spurs can't afford to sign a top PG with Parker/LMA/Pau contracts if Gasol opts to stay...That will give DJ a ton of minutes after TP's injury.

[bic50]

No to cp3

[therealtruth]

DJ's length will really help defensively. One of the things I think has hurt TP over his career defensively is his lack of length.

[Mr. Body]

He's way fucking skinny. I like his length and quickness, but better teams will learn to go at him. He'll put on some muscle.

[TheGreatYacht]

Agreed. Unless we miss on CP3, no reason to max out 30yr old point guards like Lowry or Ge:lolrge Hill

Let him grow next year. 2018 is when we'll have tons of cap to buy everyone.

[SnakeBoy]

He's got plenty of work to do but he didn't shrink under pressure and that's hard to find.

[mudyez]

Love his speed and long arms. He should make an all defense team some time in his career.

Simmons is sooo gone, but I hope we can keep Dedmon somehow (also agile and long arms).

Murray-Green-Kawhi-Dedmon is such a fun foundation, beeing a top ranked defense every year. (just need to fill in a defensive pf).

[Fireball]

Westbrooks position ... Durants body ... make it work!

[sasaint]

Simmons would be wise to stick around and carve a place in the rotation OR he can get paid by some scrub team and go way of Gary "choo-choo" Neal.


Fuck cp3 and Lowry tbh.... Start Murray and sign Patty

I would like to have Simmons and Murray and Patty back. I believe PATFO will work hard to find a way to keep them, and that will be the focus of the off season.

[cjw]

Simmons is a RFA so teams will have to (1) lock up cap space to sign him to an offer sheet and (2) hope the Spurs don't match. Unless it's a stupid amount of money, it's not a foregone conclusion that he gets crazy interest from teams. Not a ton of cap space like in prior years.

I think Spurs will offer him something reasonable in hopes he sticks around. Because he's only been around two years though, the Spurs don't have full Bird rights but have early Bird rights so can offer him slightly more than the MLE without having to hit cap space. A crazy offer well in excess of this and he's gone.

[illusioNtEk]

5 years 50 million sounds good

[TheGreatYacht]

Outscored James Harden in a playoff game in his rookie year. The future

[Cklbmk]

5 years 50 million sounds good


Hes arenas ruled he cant get that much

He could get like 3/24 and then 25mil a year or something like that.

Like those Lin and Asik contracts a couple years back

[duncan2k5]

He's still very green in my eyes. Flashes tons of potential at times, other nights he makes more mistakes. I'd say the upside is definitely there and he's had some big games for a rookie who wasn't really expected to provide anything this year. It'll all depend on how he develops but you'd think if he develops at all he's gonna be a heck of a player.

the thing is...he isnt gonna get better if he doesnt play...we need to have the same faith in him that we had in parker...because as i keep stating, murray was more talented than parker upon entering the league, the difference is that Parker started from the beginning on the season, and we had to put up with his growing pains for the sake of getting him better faster...same needs to happen with murray next yr...give him the keys

[duncan2k5]

Love his speed and long arms. He should make an all defense team some time in his career.

Simmons is sooo gone, but I hope we can keep Dedmon somehow (also agile and long arms).

Murray-Green-Kawhi-Dedmon is such a fun foundation, beeing a top ranked defense every year. (just need to fill in a defensive pf).

id prefer simmons over green...easily

[duncan2k5]

He's way fucking skinny. I like his length and quickness, but better teams will learn to go at him. He'll put on some muscle.

and he will learn to go at them too

[emanueldavidginobili]

He needs to be the starting PG next season. But yeah this kids going to be good he's Pops project right now. He had a helluva block last night on Capela and a couple sneaky steals.

[TheDoctor]

This is Kawhi's team but when you see DJ out there his body languange is that of "I'm the new HOTS" and am not saying that in a bad way. Just that instead of sweat, what his body expels is 100% pure confidence. This is something you'll never be able to say about LMA no matter how well he plays.

[SPURt]

I loved seeing DJ (isn't that what Pop called him in the post game?) get better over the games since Tony went down. Both Simmons and DJ lacked confidence, Simmons especially. Simmons was letting the system play him and we saw flashes of Simmons with confidence in the RS against GS but he played like he's afraid to piss Pop off 95% of the season. I hope last night's Simmons and DJ are here to stay.

DJ looked totally overwhelmed in his first start and much of his second, but this game where the Spurs were such heavy underdogs allowed them to play without fear because the expectation to win wasn't there. DJ put up 11 pts/10 rebs/5 assists/2 steals/1 block/1 to on 50% shooting and again lead in +- with +33. To be a rookie in a closeout game and do that is phenomenal! Granted some of that cane in garbage time, even though Harden stayed in. There is no rookie left in the playoffs doing close to what he is doing.

Here's what I like about DJ:
1. Defense- his willingness to defend is where his opportunity begins and he doesn't foul
2. Size- he's a long, smooth, 6'6, that's just his penis, but his body is great for a point guard
3. Best ball handler on the team. Kid can dribble
4. Penetrator- why do these all sound sexual?
5. Attitude and work effort

Where he needs work:
1. Shooting- his shot isn't broken just not great yet. We all know the Spurs can teach this and his work ethic is there
2. For all his handles he dribbles too high but even over this series showed the ability to improve there
3. Like most young players gets lost defensively sometimes, this is all experience
4. Body- he's built like the Iceman, which may not be much of a con as long as he doesn't get hurt. I don't care about size as much as him staying away from injury

Becoming a better shooter and understanding the NBA game defensively and physically are achievable in the Spurs organization. I'm very excited to watch this kid grow!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Spurs basically have him locked up on his rookie deal out through 2020, don't have to worry about paying him for a while.

And he's going to be the starter next year, no way around it (unless Patty comes back for a manageable deal). But even if Mills comes back, kid will be getting plenty of run.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

the thing is...he isnt gonna get better if he doesnt play...we need to have the same faith in him that we had in parker...because as i keep stating, murray was more talented than parker upon entering the league, the difference is that Parker started from the beginning on the season, and we had to put up with his growing pains for the sake of getting him better faster...same needs to happen with murray next yr...give him the keys

Seems like George Hill got more rookie PT than Murray. Furthermore, Murray got hurt at the worst possible time, totally retarded his development.

[rjv]

Agreed. Unless we miss on CP3, no reason to max out 30yr old point guards like Lowry or Ge:lolrge Hill

Let him grow next year. 2018 is when we'll have tons of cap to buy everyone. solid take. CP is the only FA i'd consider and partly because it would put yet another mentor into the mix for murray.

[rjv]

the kid did not shrink from the moment. he had more collective balls than all of the rockets team put together last night.

[UZER]

I think he has the potential to be a Manu type impact player, meaning whether he's scoring, passing, rebounding, making defensive plays, he will find a way to make an impact no matter what. Plus he seems to have that not afraid of the moment mojo that only certain players have.

[stnick2261]

I was really hoping we'd be able to steal Mike Conley away, but I'm starting to like the idea of Mills/Murray as our PGs if we can keep Mills

[sasaint]

This is Kawhi's team but when you see DJ out there his body languange is that of "I'm the new HOTS" and am not saying that in a bad way. Just that instead of sweat, what his body expels is 100% pure confidence. This is something you'll never be able to say about LMA no matter how well he plays.

Good call and good contrast - Dijon with LMA.

[will_spurs]

Furthermore, Murray got hurt at the worst possible time, totally retarded his development.

Getting hurt at the same time as the guy you're backing rarely turns into a great career opportunity... so much PT he could have had but didn't. Hopefully he'll stay on the court this time.

[sasaint]

I was really hoping we'd be able to steal Mike Conley away, but I'm starting to like the idea of Mills/Murray as our PGs if we can keep Mills

Were you looking to make a trade or just looking to 2020? That's when he could terminate his contract early. (His is the second highest salary in the league, you know...)

[spursistan]

Zach Lowe with the props :cry..


• Murray is going to be good. His feel and craft jump off the screen. The Spurs' point guard situation is one of the most important short- and long-term questions in the league. Tony Parker (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker)'s status is uncertain. Patty Mills (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills) is a free agent, and the Spurs want him back. He is an important part now of their culture. It's tempting to suggest the Spurs can get by with Mills and Murray as place-holders until they figure out a permanent answer in the starting lineup. San Antonio can clearly win 55-plus games in the regular season that way. I'm beginning to think they could do it starting one of Matt Bonner's favorite sandwiches on the wing.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19364260/zach-lowe-san-antonio-spurs-vs-houston-rockets-nba

[Chinook]

Hes arenas ruled he cant get that much

He could get like 3/24 and then 25mil a year or something like that.

Like those Lin and Asik contracts a couple years back

Simmon's Arenas-max should be like $65M/4 or something like that. The Arenas rule only applies to offer sheets, though. The Spurs could offer him like $107M/4 if they had the cap space to do so.

They say the MLE starts at $7.75 Million. A one-and-one seems like the best contract for both parties, but if PATFO think he's a keeper, then $45M/4 wouldn't be a bad deal to come in strongly with before the year ends.

[spurs1990]

Yes as someone mentioned 2018 summer only LA, Leonard, Green, and Murray on the books.

Lots of opportunity to re-arrange for contention.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/SAS.html

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Not sure why anyone would want an old PG in Paul after watching Parker break down over the last couple of years. Keep Murray Mills and you're set at that position.

If we're talking offseason moves that will improve this team, you need to go get a guy like Redick who can core in bunches and open up things more for our inside game.

[snickles]

Bangkok, oriental city...

Sorry, just joining in giving Murray Head.



been listening to that song like crazy lately. love the video

https://espngrantland.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/grant_youtube_murrayhead_60011.jpg?w=694

[daslicer]

His style of play reminds me of Penny Hardaway. He's not as athletic as Penny and is a little smaller height wise since Penny was 6'7 and Murray is 6'5 but outside of that his game is very similar. Also his body frame is very similar to Penny. He has a lot of confidence which borders on arrogance but I think its going to be a huge reason why he'll be a good player. If he works hard he can be a special player.

[BackHome]

My concern is if Murray gets better he is going to take more shots and with Kawhi I don't see LMA getting many shots. He needs to be involved or he disappears on offense and defense.......makes me wonder if this does happen
would it be better to get a shot blocking rebounding center for this draft?

[Maddog]

•


Murray is going to be good. His feel and craft jump off the screen.

Zach Lowe

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19364260/zach-lowe-san-antonio-spurs-vs-houston-rockets-nba

[cd98]

Not sure why anyone would want an old PG in Paul after watching Parker break down over the last couple of years. Keep Murray Mills and you're set at that position.

If we're talking offseason moves that will improve this team, you need to go get a guy like Redick who can core in bunches and open up things more for our inside game.

Paul would give the Spurs a high ceiling for 2-3 years before a real decline kicked in. But we all know he's not taking a pay cut to come here and Spurs won't over pay for him. But don't mistake how great a player he is. He's a top 3 point guard with an argument that he's number one. He would be a tremendous get. But he's staying with the Clippers, who will trade for Melo and vie for another average ceiling with a slightly different look.

[pad300]

Paul would give the Spurs a high ceiling for 2-3 years before a real decline kicked in. But we all know he's not taking a pay cut to come here and Spurs won't over pay for him. But don't mistake how great a player he is. He's a top 3 point guard with an argument that he's number one. He would be a tremendous get. But he's staying with the Clippers, who will trade for Melo and vie for another average ceiling with a slightly different look.

2-3 years of a high ceiling, with Paul only signed for 4 years (all we can offer him), doesn't seem that bad a deal. Especially if CP3 ages well, which his game suggests he might... I would have no problem with Murray being the back up PG for those 3 "good" years, and then giving him the reigns (and a big contract) if he has learned well...

However, you are right in that CP3 is likely to take the money and stay with LAC. Not to mention that it would be quite difficult to make the space for him.

[spursistan]

Excited about him, but the bar set by 19 yo Parker was pretty high..look at those playoffs box-scores :wow..

https://i.imgur.com/SgTR8Bt.jpg

[spursistan]

^^ Sam Presti :worthy:

Best drafting GM of All time..

[duncan2k5]

Excited about him, but the bar set by 19 yo Parker was pretty high..look at those playoffs box-scores :wow..

https://i.imgur.com/SgTR8Bt.jpg

Keep in mins this was after Parker was starting the entire season...So he was given the greenlight from jump...I'm sure if Murray was treated the same, he would have good numbers this post season since he is more talented than parker as a rookie

[Play Boban]

Excited about him, but the bar set by 19 yo Parker was pretty high..look at those playoffs box-scores :wow..

https://i.imgur.com/SgTR8Bt.jpg
Yes, he shrunk under pressure and shot an inefficient 40% in the conference semifinals when we needed him most. MVParker. :cry

Is it any any coincidence that the Spurs won the game in which he shot the least shot attempts and played his worst game and lot all the others? No, it isn't. Exactly.

[TheGreatYacht]

Excited about him, but the bar set by 19 yo Parker was pretty high..look at those playoffs box-scores :wow..

https://i.imgur.com/SgTR8Bt.jpg
Best guard in franchise history and it's honestly not even close, tbh...

[palangi]

Best guard in franchise history and it's honestly not even close, tbh...

I'd put Manu up there with him. Easily.

[SPURt]

Best guard in franchise history and it's honestly not even close, tbh...
But but but what about Alvin Robertson, Rod Strickland, Johnny Moore, and Avery Johnson?

[TheDoctor]

But but but what about Alvin Robertson, Rod Strickland, Johnny Moore, Avery Johnson and 2003 GOAT hero Speedy Claxton?