"Game 6 proved Leonard wasn't really an MVP candidate"

[LaMarcus Bryant]

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/gallery/san-antonio-spurs-kawhi-leonard-houston-rockets-mvp-nba-playoffs-051217

Can you believe this Bich Nga?

[MultiTroll]

:lol what an ignorant dumb phuck.

Andrew Lynch @ Fox

[TampaDude]

Right...and what about all the games GS won without MVP Curry? GTFOH with that bullshit.

[Mr. Body]

More likely proves Harden wasn't.

And that's not true, either.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Where does Fox Sports get these guys? He probably has Matt Moore's redheadpubes all over his face

[DPG21920]

LOL. Ok, so if this proved Kawhi was not an MVP, what does that say about Harden that he no showed? And If Harden is not an MVP, then what does that say about Russ being knocked by Harden?

Just utter stupidity.

[jbspurs]

JVG is right again! He called this out last, he mentioned something about idiot writers will come up and say something " Spurs are better without Kahwi" or something like it..

[Chinook]

How many people read the article? I mean, it wasn't great journalism, but it's not hating on Kawhi really. It essentially says the Spurs haven't been able to integrate his offense into the "beautiful game", and that Tim establishing the Spurs' culture enabled them to beat the Rockets short-handed.

I don't think this game demonstrated anything beyond the fans who thought the team was terrible outside Kawhi had bad takes. Anyone with half a brain should have been able to see that no one-man team would be this good. However, since when did being on a one-man, mediocre team count for more than being the best player and leader of a solid team with elite aspects? This MVP race has really hurt the credibility of the award, in my opinion.

[DPG21920]

How many people read the article? I mean, it wasn't great journalism, but it's not hating on Kawhi really. It essentially says the Spurs haven't been able to integrate his offense into the "beautiful game", and that Tim establishing the Spurs' culture enabled them to beat the Rockets short-handed.

I don't think this game demonstrated anything beyond the fans who thought the team was terrible outside Kawhi had bad takes. Anyone with half a brain should have been able to see that no one-man team would be this good. However, since when did being on a one-man, mediocre team count for more than being the best player and leader of a solid team with elite aspects? This MVP race has really hurt the credibility of the award, in my opinion.

I read it and stand by my comments. Spurs individually are not overly talented. They are well built defensively but on an individual basis with TP/LMA/Danny struggling the majority of the year on offense they aren't some world beater talent team. My issue is why now for this article? Taking a 1.25 game sample size and saying "definitive!" Is beyond ridiculous.

[DarrinS]

It proved Harden not MVP. Beard choked hard core.

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Oddly enough, the postseason has proved Kawhi a better MVP option than any of Westbrook or Harden.

I just can't stand Westbrook's game. So hectic. So self-defeating too often.

[RD2191]

How many people read the article? I mean, it wasn't great journalism, but it's not hating on Kawhi really. It essentially says the Spurs haven't been able to integrate his offense into the "beautiful game", and that Tim establishing the Spurs' culture enabled them to beat the Rockets short-handed.

I don't think this game demonstrated anything beyond the fans who thought the team was terrible outside Kawhi had bad takes. Anyone with half a brain should have been able to see that no one-man team would be this good. However, since when did being on a one-man, mediocre team count for more than being the best player and leader of a solid team with elite aspects? This MVP race has really hurt the credibility of the award, in my opinion.

Lol. Please just shut the fuck up. You have some of the most idiotic takes I've ever seen. You don't believe this stupid shit that you type, you're just trying to be "edgy" and different, it's pathetic.

[Cry Havoc]

If Harden and Kawhi aren't mvp, russ can't be. Forcing an entire nba roster to depend 100% on you for everything on the court, including rebounds, is the opposite of valuable. It's the definition of cancer.

That team was Uber talented, even after KD left. They just paid 3 big men 160 million over the next three seasons but apparently none of them are even good enough to rebound - or so the narrative goes when you're trying to justify a point guard getting 80% of his boards uncontested.

Maybe Kawhi is the mvp precisely because his teammates have developed so well under his leadership? Because despite his PPG and usage rate other players are still getting the chance to shine through the season, even when he's in the game. Kawhi isn't trying to be bigger than the team, and that's why the Spurs are one of the last four teams standing.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

If I could vote right now, by my own definition of MVP, I'd have to bite my lip and hand it to LayBruhn. Durant can't get it because he's a punk bitch and got hurt a good chunk of the season, Westbrook can't because his 4th quarter playoff shooting and scoring. Kawhi choked against GSW regular season, seemed to be well on his way to choking against HOU before getting hurt. Harden showed choke tendencies all season, punctuated by last night. Kaang is the only dude that been putting up the numbers, and shining even moreso in the playoffs.

I'd give it to LeBron and be cool with it.

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Agreed. LeBron is the logical choice tbh. But Westbrook will get it due to his hero ball, yet team-defeating, stats

[Chinook]

Lol. Please just shut the fuck up. You have some of the most idiotic takes I've ever seen. You don't believe this stupid shit that you type, you're just trying to be "edgy" and different, it's pathetic.

Fuck you man. You keep trying to come in here with hot takes then get down on your knees to suck off dudes like Green and LMA when your takes get shown to be shit. This stupid-ass shtick of "the Spurs outside Kawhi suck" has been proven to be false time and again. Get over it.

The Spurs are a good if not great team without Kawhi. They are a championship-caliber team with him. Why that can't make you happy is beyond me.

[UZER]

This is another typical backhanded compliment for the Spurs. Every year they find away to credit the spurs by discrediting them.

Why is Curry an MVP then? Why Durant?

It's just stupid.

[bic50]

Fuck you man. You keep trying to come in here with hot takes then get down on your knees to suck off dudes like Green and LMA when your takes get shown to be shit. This stupid-ass shtick of "the Spurs outside Kawhi suck" has been proven to be false time and again. Get over it.

The Spurs are a good if not great team without Kawhi. They are a championship-caliber team with him. Why that can't make you happy is beyond me.
They are a great team with Kawhi? Based on what?

[Chinook]

They are a great team with Kawhi? Based on what?

Based on the their talent, record and performance.

(I'm assuming you meant "great team without Kawhi", because we all know they are great with him.)

[bic50]

Based on the their talent, record and performance.

(I'm assuming you meant "great team without Kawhi", because we all know they are great with him.)
They are good enough to compete without him but they not great.

[apalisoc_9]

They are good enough to compete without him but they not great.

The Bulls won consecutive 50+ win games without Jordan and reached the Semis without him. 94-95

Chinook is just a dumbass.

[RD2191]

The Bulls won consecutive 50+ win games without Jordan and reached the Semis without him. 94-95

Chinook is just a dumbass.

:lol

[RD2191]

Fuck you man. You keep trying to come in here with hot takes then get down on your knees to suck off dudes like Green and LMA when your takes get shown to be shit. This stupid-ass shtick of "the Spurs outside Kawhi suck" has been proven to be false time and again. Get over it.

The Spurs are a good if not great team without Kawhi. They are a championship-caliber team with him. Why that can't make you happy is beyond me.

Because you're fukin stupid if you believe that. This team would have 40 wins at best without Kawhi.

[Chinook]

The Bulls won consecutive 50+ win games without Jordan and reached the Semis without him. 94-95

Chinook is just a dumbass.

Yes, and no one's ever said the Bulls outside Jordan were garbage.

[Chinook]

They are good enough to compete without him but they not great.

Eh, that's just semantics. They'd have a top7-10 record without him and make the playoffs. Portland is shit warmed over, and they made it easily this year.

[Chinook]

Because you're fukin stupid if you believe that. This team would have 40 wins at best without Kawhi.

Old shticks die hard, I guess.

[TampaDude]

If I could vote right now, by my own definition of MVP, I'd have to bite my lip and hand it to LayBruhn. Durant can't get it because he's a punk bitch and got hurt a good chunk of the season, Westbrook can't because his 4th quarter playoff shooting and scoring. Kawhi choked against GSW regular season, seemed to be well on his way to choking against HOU before getting hurt. Harden showed choke tendencies all season, punctuated by last night. Kaang is the only dude that been putting up the numbers, and shining even moreso in the playoffs.

I'd give it to LeBron and be cool with it.

+1 for LeGOAT

[Spurtacular]

Didn't it prove that Harden (Westbrook) aren't the MVP candidates?

[Blake]

Did it prove Pop is coach of the year worthy?

[Spurtacular]

(If anything, the result showed how valuable James Harden is to the Rockets. When he vanishes while somehow leaving his corporeal form behind, Houston is doomed.)

When the ballhog doesn't score, Houston struggles? Well, throw that man the fucking MVP, then.

[FkLA]

Why does Chinook always have it out for Kawhi? It's always "yeah he's really good but this or that". The reason the Spurs won yesterday was due to a multitude of reasons that probably won't be repeated over the course of a season. That also wasn't really the beautiful game out there as Pop called a considerable amount of post-ups for the bigs.

Stupid that idiots will use this against Kawhi. Not unexpected though.

[Chinook]

Why does Chinook always have it out for Kawhi? It's always "yeah he's really good but this or that". The reason the Spurs win yesterday was due to a multitude of reasons that probably won't be repeated over the course of a season. That also wasn't really the beautiful game out there as Pop called a considerable amount of post-ups for the bigs.

I gave the writer's thesis and said why I disagreed with it. The idea that you have to think the Spurs outside Kawhi suck in order to pump Leonard up is toxic, honestly. You can be the MVP AND have a good/great supporting cast at the same time. That was pretty much my entire point. This Harden/Westbrook debate has ruined any credibility the award had because you can't overlook team success when talking about player value.

[Chinook]

Did it prove Pop is coach of the year worthy?

There's a legit chance that Harden and MDA both win over Leonard and Pop. That would be fun to see.

[Juan]

Why does Chinook always have it out for Kawhi? It's always "yeah he's really good but this or that". The reason the Spurs won yesterday was due to a multitude of reasons that probably won't be repeated over the course of a season. That also wasn't really the beautiful game out there as Pop called a considerable amount of post-ups for the bigs.

Stupid that idiots will use this against Kawhi. Not unexpected though.

Been that way since 2012. He's never been a big fan of Leonard. Nothin new.

[apalisoc_9]

What makes extremely stupid and screams of double standard is..No one argued against Curry when the dubs were killing teams without Curry in the playoffs and he was Unanimous MVP.

[sasaint]

More likely proves Harden wasn't.

And that's not true, either.

Much truer of Harden than Kawhi. If Kawhi steps on the court, he is going to give effort.

[bic50]

Eh, that's just semantics. They'd have a top7-10 record without him and make the playoffs. Portland is shit warmed over, and they made it easily this year.
True. I just think some are getting a little too excited about last nights win and really believe the Spurs don't need Kawhi or are better off without him or with him coming off the bench or just being a 3&D guy. If harden had any heart and played with pride last night things might have turned out different. Pop said himself they are not as good as they looked and the rockets aren't that bad. Pop looked genuinely but pleasantly surprised about the win and how they won.

[UZER]

Media is just covering their asses because alot of them said harden was MVP and Kawhi was not.

[Chinook]

True. I just think some are getting a little too excited about last nights win and really believe the Spurs don't need Kawhi or are better off without him or with him coming off the bench or just being a 3&D guy. If harden had any heart and played with pride last night things might have turned out different. Pop said himself they are not as good as they looked and the rockets aren't that bad. Pop looked genuinely but pleasantly surprised about the win and how they won.

The jump from a "just okay" playoff team to a contender is huge, especially in this current NBA climate. It's much bigger than the jump from comfortable lottery team to first-round playoff fodder like what Russ did. The narrative around Westbrook has caused fans of multiple teams to try to disparage their roster in order to gain the edge. Obviously, the Cavs outside Lebron aren't shit, though they need him to get anywhere. The Celtics outside Thomas aren't particularly worse. Harden has legit NBA players next to him, though they shrivel up just like he does.

I've said all year that Kawhi's the MVP because he's taken a Spurs team that would be slightly above mediocre and somehow put them in the conversation with super-stacked teams like GS and Cleveland. That's an almost unspeakably high level of value. It doesn't need to be cut by acting like the other 14 guys are terrible.

[TampaDude]

What makes extremely stupid and screams of double standard is..No one argued against Curry when the dubs were killing teams without Curry in the playoffs and he was Unanimous MVP.

Precisely.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Clickbait-tier bullshit tbh

[DPG21920]

Why does Chinook always have it out for Kawhi? It's always "yeah he's really good but this or that". The reason the Spurs won yesterday was due to a multitude of reasons that probably won't be repeated over the course of a season. That also wasn't really the beautiful game out there as Pop called a considerable amount of post-ups for the bigs.

Stupid that idiots will use this against Kawhi. Not unexpected though.

Funny how you don't say this with regards to TP. Spurs win game 3 without TP (even though he was huge in game 2) and everyone screams "see how much better they are without TP!! Told you his injury would not matter".

[DPG21920]

The jump from a "just okay" playoff team to a contender is huge, especially in this current NBA climate. It's much bigger than the jump from comfortable lottery team to first-round playoff fodder like what Russ did. The narrative around Westbrook has caused fans of multiple teams to try to disparage their roster in order to gain the edge. Obviously, the Cavs outside Lebron aren't shit, though they need him to get anywhere. The Celtics outside Thomas aren't particularly worse. Harden has legit NBA players next to him, though they shrivel up just like he does.

I've said all year that Kawhi's the MVP because he's taken a Spurs team that would be slightly above mediocre and somehow put them in the conversation with super-stacked teams like GS and Cleveland. That's an almost unspeakably high level of value. It doesn't need to be cut by acting like the other 14 guys are terrible.

I agree with you overall, but in the regular season for which the MVP award is based, the main core of guys underperformed both to expectations and statistics (LMA, TP, Manu, Danny, Pau). They are still good and are built pretty well, but that is the truth. You can underperform and still not suck though.

[Chinook]

I agree with you overall, but in the regular season for which the MVP award is based, the main core of guys underperformed both to expectations and statistics (LMA, TP, Manu, Danny, Pau). They are still good and are built pretty well, but that is the truth. You can underperform and still not suck though.

They were coasting. They pretty much won every big game that year. You can't do that if your team is shit.

[quentin_compson]

Well, if the Spurs had played and won this Game 6 with LMA injured and Kawhi playing great, a lot of people on ST would have said: "See, they are better without Aldridge". Both are similarly ridiculous things to say.

[dabom]

There was not one consistent player besides maybe Patty in the RS. Prove me wrong faggot, Chinook

[DMC]

If you could show conclusively that the Spurs won regular season games without Kawhi, he would have a point. The MVP is a RS award, and it doesn't matter if the player doesn't score at all in the playoffs and his team goes on to win the championship.

[dabom]

Why does Chinook always have it out for Kawhi? It's always "yeah he's really good but this or that". The reason the Spurs won yesterday was due to a multitude of reasons that probably won't be repeated over the course of a season. That also wasn't really the beautiful game out there as Pop called a considerable amount of post-ups for the bigs.

Stupid that idiots will use this against Kawhi. Not unexpected though.

That guy always want to take credit away from Kawhi. It's fucking pathetic really.

[DPG21920]

They were coasting. They pretty much won every big game that year.

Eh, I'm not sure if I buy that totally. TP for sure. Everyone else I don't think so. They were helping and definitely pitching in for wins but I think there were some legit struggles there. Doesn't take away from the team being seasoned and a nice blend of youth/upside, but not sure.

[Chinook]

There was not one consistent player besides maybe Patty in the RS. Prove me wrong faggot, Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)

The only time when "consistent" and "shit" mean the same thing is when talking about your takes, son.

[dabom]

There was not one consistent player besides maybe Patty in the RS. Prove me wrong faggot, Chinook

[dabom]

The only time when "consistent" and "shit" mean the same thing is when talking about your takes, son.

No one thinks you're a respectable poster dude. I'm being serious. :lol

[Chinook]

No one thinks you're a respectable poster dude. I'm being serious. :lol

So says a guy who's constantly shat on in two forums (that I know of).

[DPG21920]

Chinook is literally infinity times the poster that Dabom is. There are not enough multipliers to describe the vast gulf.

[apalisoc_9]

The jump from a "just okay" playoff team to a contender is huge, especially in this current NBA climate. It's much bigger than the jump from comfortable lottery team to first-round playoff fodder like what Russ did. The narrative around Westbrook has caused fans of multiple teams to try to disparage their roster in order to gain the edge. Obviously, the Cavs outside Lebron aren't shit, though they need him to get anywhere. The Celtics outside Thomas aren't particularly worse. Harden has legit NBA players next to him, though they shrivel up just like he does.

I've said all year that Kawhi's the MVP because he's taken a Spurs team that would be slightly above mediocre and somehow put them in the conversation with super-stacked teams like GS and Cleveland. That's an almost unspeakably high level of value. It doesn't need to be cut by acting like the other 14 guys are terrible.

To add to this Point, Didn't Durant win his single MVP in a year where Westbrook missed significant time?

Didn't the Warriors have the the most Dominant 15 game stretch of the year without Durant..majority of those were againt good teams too and I am supposed to be ashamed and embarrased for Putting Curry over Westbrook or harden. Warriors proably still a 55+ win team without him.

But I see your point and it truly is toxic. Essentially the award becomes an award of opportunity. The Guy who can take advantage of a weak bottom half and improve a 35+ win team to something like 47 wins will ultimaltey be the leading candidate.

I still can't understand how Lebron wasn't even close to Harden and Curry in 2015 though.

[dabom]

So says a guy who's constantly shat on in two forums (that I know of).

Go make a poll. :lol

[ElNono]

This kinda of weak sauce shit was bound to happen, tbh... even Van Gundy pointed out last night how some idiot media was going to bring this up today... :lol

[Chinook]

To add to this Point, Didn't Durant win his single MVP in a year where Westbrook missed significant time?

Didn't the Warriors have the the most Dominant 15 game stretch of the year without Durant..majority of those were againt good teams too and I am supposed to be ashamed and embarrased for Putting Curry over Westbrook or harden. Warriors proably still a 55+ win team without him.

But I see your point and it truly is toxic. Essentially the award becomes an award of opportunity. The Guy who can take advantage of a weak bottom half and improve a 35+ win team to something like 47 wins will ultimaltey be the leading candidate.

I still can't understand how Lebron wasn't even close to Harden and Curry in 2015 though.

I just hopes it goes back to normal after this year. People kept hating on the MVP going to the best player on one of the best teams, but we can see full well now why they did that. Because it's just sorry watching a guy like Russ torpedo his roster and get rewarded for it.

[Chinook]

Go make a poll. :lol

You're surprisingly not pinked yet. So you can do it.

[dabom]

This kinda of weak sauce shit was bound to happen, tbh... even Van Gundy pointed out last night how some idiot media was going to bring this up today... :lol

I know right. This is typical garbage fan take, and they eat this Shit up. :lmao

[dabom]

You're surprisingly not pinked yet. So you can do it.

I would never be pinked. :lol

[Horse]

Fuck this guy! Like somebody else here said if you stick out in pops system your extra special cause it's not star-friendly. Now I will say we could use some more ball movement and Kawhi can take over when needed, which will save him some energy. As far as lebon he's still in the east and kyrie is the one taking and making the big shots and he's pretty fucking good.

[DPG21920]

I would never be pinked. :lol

I will take that bet :lol

[apalisoc_9]

I just hopes it goes back to normal after this year. People kept hating on the MVP going to the best player on one of the best teams, but we can see full well now why they did that. Because it's just sorry watching a guy like Russ torpedo his roster and get rewarded for it.

Well, here's the problem..The Warriors are going to win 65+ again. Even if the lose in the playoffs, they'ee going to put up numbers significantly better than everyone else. I fully support penalizing Durant. Curry shouldnt though.

Agree. If things normalize next year Kawhi would probably be favourite, but its unlikely. Hopefully everyone has had their triple double fix this year and everything returns to normal.

[.G.]

NBA needs better writers. Harden is all about individual accolades. No wonder.

Let TP exit with grace. "Ruptured" yeah.... he just jumpedlike he's done so 5milliontimes before.

Murrays time.

[FkLA]

Funny how you don't say this with regards to TP. Spurs win game 3 without TP (even though he was huge in game 2) and everyone screams "see how much better they are without TP!! Told you his injury would not matter".

1. I gave HOTS his due all postseason long. Unexpected but very welcome last stand on his part. Never said anything about the Spurs being better without him after his injury.

2. You're comparing a guy who is unanimously considered a Top 3 player in the world to a fringe starter (when he plays like he did in the RS). Their contributions to the teams success according to advanced metrics also aren't comparable. So yeah, the former obviously deserves more support when it comes to stupid articles like these or opinions like Chinook's.

[DAF86]

It doesn't take much to beat this Houston team when Harden plays as crappy as he did. An all D-league team could have probably beat them last night, tbh.

[FkLA]

I gave the writer's thesis and said why I disagreed with it. The idea that you have to think the Spurs outside Kawhi suck in order to pump Leonard up is toxic, honestly. You can be the MVP AND have a good/great supporting cast at the same time. That was pretty much my entire point. This Harden/Westbrook debate has ruined any credibility the award had because you can't overlook team success when talking about player value.

We're talking over the course of a season or even postseason, not one game. Yeah, he doesn't play with D-League talent but who brings it every night like he does? In that respect he has been a one-man team to some extent. Every single guy on the team other than Kawhi has played a lot more bad basketball than they've played good. It's great to see guys like LMA and Juice step up like they did yesterday but to suggest that they can do that (or even close to that) over the long haul and Kawhi is just holding them back is retarded. Same with TP's postseason resurgence.

Speaking of retarded, this notion that Pop gave up the beautiful game just to cater to Kawhi and LMA is just that. That has more to do with guys like Timmy, TP and Manu aging, and guys like Diaw and Splitter regressing/getting injured and ultimately being shipped. I don't think ditching the beautiful game was a choice or that it's dormant just because of Kawhi.

[dabom]

We're talking over the course of a season or even postseason, not one game. Yeah, he doesn't play with D-League talent but who brings it every night like he does? In that respect he has been a one-man team to some extent. Every single guy on the team other than Kawhi has played a lot more bad basketball than they've played good. It's great to see guys like LMA and Juice step up like they did yesterday but to suggest that they can do that (or even close to that) over the long haul and Kawhi is just holding them back is retarded. Same with TP's postseason resurgence.

Speaking of retarded, this notion that Pop gave up the beautiful game just to cater to Kawhi and LMA is just that. That has more to do with guys like Timmy, TP and Manu aging, and guys like Diaw and Splitter regressing/getting injured and ultimately being shipped. I don't think ditching the beautiful game was a choice or that it's dormant just because of Kawhi.

I don't know why people keep that shtick. They are old and cant drive and kick out. The beautiful game is gone because those guys are old now. We just have one player that can playmake now, and people somehow expect him to score defend rebound steal and block everything on top of playmaking. :lol

[dabom]

Green is shit compared to Kawhi. FACT! :lol

[313]

Not sure how LeBron is the MVP when he coasted through the regular season. He was even the favorite to win MVP coming into the season but lost it because he was obviously just waiting for the playoffs. His numbers weren't the best, neither was his team success.

Between Westbrook's ridiculous stat padding and his team only making the sixth seed, I don't know how you give it to him either. He was expected to make the playoffs by most "analysts", and he did.

Kawhi was the best MVP candidate on both sides of the floor, but I think Harden should get it due to basically being chocked as a 9-10th seed before the season and comfortably finishing with the third best record in the league, along with monster stats.

edit: wrong thread but whatever :lol

[Hoops Czar]

Did it prove Pop is coach of the year worthy?
Apparently, it proved he was the greatest of all time.

[Chinook]

We're talking over the course of a season or even postseason, not one game. Yeah, he doesn't play with D-League talent but who brings it every night like he does? In that respect he has been a one-man team to some extent. Every single guy on the team other than Kawhi has played a lot more bad basketball than they've played good. It's great to see guys like LMA and Juice step up like they did yesterday but to suggest that they can do that (or even close to that) over the long haul and Kawhi is just holding them back is retarded. Same with TP's postseason resurgence.

Speaking of retarded, this notion that Pop gave up the beautiful game just to cater to Kawhi and LMA is just that. That has more to do with guys like Timmy, TP and Manu aging, and guys like Diaw and Splitter regressing/getting injured and ultimately being shipped. I don't think ditching the beautiful game was a choice or that it's dormant just because of Kawhi.

Except no one said that. This isn't Kawhi or the team. It's Kawhi AND the team. There was a sect of people who constantly made it an antagonistic thing. Kawhi's the MVP with Lebron as his only real competition. He did plenty of carrying. But he could miss a game and change due to an injury and his guys could close out a semis round for him. Terrible teams don't do that, no matter what excuses some people want to give.

And, no, people were "fuck this team"ing throughout these last couple of rounds.

[dabom]

Isn't chinook all about impact stats. Well the teams impact stats are garbage. Spin that shit faggot. :lmao

Using impact stats to tell me dedman was the better defender. :lmao

[UZER]

Media can suck a dick on this now.

They don't need Kawhi :cry

[Snaq O'Meal]

Kawhi is the true definition of an MVP. And this is his value: any team with him is a treat to kicking the Warriors' asses.