Offseason Centers - the players - the targets

[tbdog]

Sorry for the editing guys. Some strange stuff happening here.

Spurs front office need to build a contender over the next 5 years while Leonard is a stud. Do they make a lot of moves this off season to continue the title contention? Or do they hold sail for the 2018 season, which appeared the most likely outcome prior to this season with the expiring contracts of Parker and Gasol, plus the opt renegotiation with LMA deal?


With the impending likelihood that Dedmon leaves for a bigger offer and possibly role, the Spurs have a gap in the center position. With only Gasol as your full time center, you would be lucky to know the center position this year is full of studs. No seriously, the names on this list are disgusting. It makes you wonder paying Dedmon will be worth it. There just isn't any real strong fit here with any names. I am still in favour of moving LMA in the center positon and looking at younger PF or a semi vet like TJ Gibson. And after reading this list, I am sure I will have a few fans backing me up on this.




Top Range - 18mil+ to max contracts




Noel

Monroe

Olynyk

Mason Plumlee




Look at these studs. No seriously, it just looks awful. Monroe will opt in. Olynyk and Noel are not going anywhere. There is some value for Mason Plumee but IMO, there are just better power forwards for cheaper and better centers to trade for. Makes having Gasol for 16mil not so bad now.




Outcome: Not a chance. These guys will demand more than their worth.




Midrange - 8 to 16 mil contracts




Tyler Zeller

Nene

Mcgee

Len

Speights

Baynes

Jordan Hill




Oh, yuk. Tyler Zeller has some minor value, so does Mcgee and Len. Nene too old. I would rather go with Baynes than the other guys, but Mcgee will be my pick but not the pick from Pop.



Outcome: Unlikely. It will take offers over 10mil to get Len which Suns will match. Mcgee might have a market here for similar pricing. Overall, these guys are not for now or the future. Let's just move on.




Veterans and the raw - Min to low dollar contracts



Felicio

Mejri

Splitter

Bogut

Ezeli

Seraphin



There is a reason why I want the Spurs too look at Willie Reed or Alan Williams in the PF spot and move LMA to center, because these names are dreadful. Mejri and Felicio have size. Splitter and Bogut might have some mutual interest, but man those injuries, are they even worth the roster space? Someone mentioned Seraphin as an option. Some websites have him at the Center and some have him as a power forward. I remember him in New York days as a raw offensive player with defensive skill.



Outcome: Possible. I can imagine Splitter coming here for a min, which isn't too shabby considering what is out there. But I would want younger and healthier player in the PF position than that.




Trade Targets



Dwight Howard - 23mil

Brook Lopez - 22mil

Cody Zeller - 12mil

Robin Lopez - 13mil

Drummond - 23mil

Aldrich - 7mil

Ajinca - 5mil

Asik - 10mil

O'Quinn - 4mil

Hernangomez - 1mil

Biyombo - 17mil

Chandler - 13mil

Koufos - 8mil

Valanciunas - 15mil




Some interest names here. My favourite here in Robin Lopez at that 13mil is a nice deal for a good center. Spurs could go with some size here with Ajinca, Aldrich, and Kofous with serviceable contracts. But I have a crazy idea, lets trade Gasol/Parker, Bertans, and sign and trade Simmons/Mills for Drummond and Ish Smith. Let's just make the best god damn defensive force in the league. Who's with me?




Outcome: Unlikely. Spurs don't have the contracts to match some of these name, and some of these names are pretty ordinary.

[TheGreatYacht]

McGee, easily...

[CGD]

McGee, easily...

If Dedmon leaves go get willie green

[TheGreatYacht]

If Dedmon leaves go get willie green
Willie Green?

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/2004.png&w=350&h=254

[Truth4sale$]

I would look to Europe for a center( spurs have a stash player there anyway), the league is more guard oriented. Too much commuted to the center position with gasol already. The motion offense, ball movement is where the Spurs are best, the Spurs need a younger 2 guard or point guard if Djounte is not the future.

[CGD]

Willie Green?

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/2004.png&w=350&h=254

Ha! Meant reed

[Play Boban]

Mulitinov. :wow

[Keepin' it real]

Mulitinov. :wow

Is that the place in Russia where they had the nuclear meltdown in the 80s?

[MaNu4Tres]

Rather Spurs start a bigger wing w/ defensive versatility next to LA at the 5, instead of Willie Reed..tbh.

For the 38th time since last summer, Spurs need to adapt and go 1 big, 3 wings, 1 PG.

[Play Boban]

Is that the place in Russia where they had the nuclear meltdown in the 80s?

No. That was in present day Ukraine tbh.

[BackHome]

Mulitinov. :wow

I am starting to like this kid the more I watch the more I wish our big would play like he does. He seeks contact out sets pretty good screen is not afraid at all to get physical and can rebound and block shots.

If Gasol and LMA are not traded then they better bring his ass over! All bigs need one year of learning before they make a impact so have him ready when Gasol retires and LMA leaves..2018

[Keepin' it real]

No. That was in present day Ukraine tbh.

Yeah that's it. I was close, though.

[Holden_Caulfield]

wow thats awful

[Mikeanaro]

Horrible players.

[Vito Corleone]

Give it up, we are stuck with Gasol and Aldridge, accept it

[TD 21]

Rather Spurs start a bigger wing w/ defensive versatility next to LA at the 5, instead of Willie Reed..tbh.

For the 38th time since last summer, Spurs need to adapt and go 1 big, 3 wings, 1 PG.

James Johnson is the only UFA who fits that description. He could probably be had for the MLE, but he's an odd ball type and will probably re-sign with Heat.

Aldridge at center, with a Marvin Williams or Thaddeus Young type at power forward, would make them like Celtics or Trail Blazers before Nurkic: They'd be soft in the middle and get bludgeoned on their defensive glass. Since there's no immediate path back to being explosive offensively, they can't afford to sacrifice elite defense.

Most of the league doesn't start this way anyway and they can't lose site of having to play 73-74 regular season games that don't include Warriors, Rockets, Cavaliers, plus 1 round of playoffs, to get to them. Even though most centers get played off the floor in the playoffs now, they're still needed to eat regular season minutes.

If they can sign Hill and either retain Simmons (doubtful) or attain some half decent wing for the BAE, I'd be fine with going cheap and by committee at center. Reed for part of the MLE, Splitter for the minimum, either Milutinov or possibly 29. They could still start traditionally in most match-ups, but it would be easier to lean heavily on small ball, with better options and no future HOF center.

[Down Under]

That's so bad the only one I'd sign is Splitter for the min :lol

[J_Paco]

If they can pry Kyle O'Quinn from the Knicks then do it.

Like TD_21 said, starting small isn't a wise move over the course of an 82 game season. They aren't going to find a small ball 4 as good as Draymond Green or Kevin Love/Tristan Thompson, the interior defense will get shredded with Aldridge as the anchor inside (look how poorly LaMarcus did protecting the paint during the WCF), the defensive rebounding will take a hit massive hit and Aldridge will have little left in his legs by the playoffs.

Swindling a O'Quinn level PF/C away from a bottle feeder team and signing a versatile combo forward (first choice is James Johnson) should be the objective if Dedmon bolts. Finally bringing Nikola over should be in the plans too.

[DMC]

Sorry for the editing guys. Some strange stuff happening here.

Spurs front office need to build a contender over the next 5 years while Leonard is a stud. Do they make a lot of moves this off season to continue the title contention? Or do they hold sail for the 2018 season, which appeared the most likely outcome prior to this season with the expiring contracts of Parker and Gasol, plus the opt renegotiation with LMA deal?


With the impending likelihood that Dedmon leaves for a bigger offer and possibly role, the Spurs have a gap in the center position. With only Gasol as your full time center, you would be lucky to know the center position this year is full of studs. No seriously, the names on this list are disgusting. It makes you wonder paying Dedmon will be worth it. There just isn't any real strong fit here with any names. I am still in favour of moving LMA in the center positon and looking at younger PF or a semi vet like TJ Gibson. And after reading this list, I am sure I will have a few fans backing me up on this.




Top Range - 18mil+ to max contracts




Noel

Monroe

Olynyk

Mason Plumlee




Look at these studs. No seriously, it just looks awful. Monroe will opt in. Olynyk and Noel are not going anywhere. There is some value for Mason Plumee but IMO, there are just better power forwards for cheaper and better centers to trade for. Makes having Gasol for 16mil not so bad now.




Outcome: Not a chance. These guys will demand more than their worth.




Midrange - 8 to 16 mil contracts




Tyler Zeller

Nene

Mcgee

Len

Speights

Baynes

Jordan Hill




Oh, yuk. Tyler Zeller has some minor value, so does Mcgee and Len. Nene too old. I would rather go with Baynes than the other guys, but Mcgee will be my pick but not the pick from Pop.



Outcome: Unlikely. It will take offers over 10mil to get Len which Suns will match. Mcgee might have a market here for similar pricing. Overall, these guys are not for now or the future. Let's just move on.




Veterans and the raw - Min to low dollar contracts



Felicio

Mejri

Splitter

Bogut

Ezeli

Seraphin



There is a reason why I want the Spurs too look at Willie Reed or Alan Williams in the PF spot and move LMA to center, because these names are dreadful. Mejri and Felicio have size. Splitter and Bogut might have some mutual interest, but man those injuries, are they even worth the roster space? Someone mentioned Seraphin as an option. Some websites have him at the Center and some have him as a power forward. I remember him in New York days as a raw offensive player with defensive skill.



Outcome: Possible. I can imagine Splitter coming here for a min, which isn't too shabby considering what is out there. But I would want younger and healthier player in the PF position than that.




Trade Targets



Dwight Howard - 23mil

Brook Lopez - 22mil

Cody Zeller - 12mil

Robin Lopez - 13mil

Drummond - 23mil

Aldrich - 7mil

Ajinca - 5mil

Asik - 10mil

O'Quinn - 4mil

Hernangomez - 1mil

Biyombo - 17mil

Chandler - 13mil

Koufos - 8mil

Valanciunas - 15mil




Some interest names here. My favourite here in Robin Lopez at that 13mil is a nice deal for a good center. Spurs could go with some size here with Ajinca, Aldrich, and Kofous with serviceable contracts. But I have a crazy idea, lets trade Gasol/Parker, Bertans, and sign and trade Simmons/Mills for Drummond and Ish Smith. Let's just make the best god damn defensive force in the league. Who's with me?




Outcome: Unlikely. Spurs don't have the contracts to match some of these name, and some of these names are pretty ordinary.










Anything that suggests trading Tony Parker is worthless.

Tony, Kawhi, Manu and probably Danny are likely not on the trade radar.

[DMC]

wow thats awful


Horrible players.

None of those are horrible players. You're not looking for franchise guys or even second bananas. You're looking for role players. If you don't watch these teams play on the regular you probably have no idea if these guys are any good. Other than some being injury prone, most are serviceable in the type of system the Spurs run.

[TimDunkem]

"Those guys suck!"

Said the guys whose team just got destroyed by Zaza Pachulia and Javale McGee.

[tbdog]

"Those guys suck!"

Said the guys whose team just got destroyed by Zaza Pachulia and Javale McGee.

Deadmon would do far better than Mcgee in the Warriors. Zaza taking out Leonard was his role.

[Mikeanaro]

None of those are horrible players. You're not looking for franchise guys or even second bananas. You're looking for role players. If you don't watch these teams play on the regular you probably have no idea if these guys are any good. Other than some being injury prone, most are serviceable in the type of system the Spurs run.
We need guys with balls, I see Plumblee in the list and I shit my pants, add to that Pop scaring players and a guy with decent shot like Speights goes full scrub mode.

[HarlemHeat37]

Wouldn't be surprised if Dedmon ends up with the Warriors, tbh:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Deadman :lol what a shit player tbh

[DMC]

We need guys with balls, I see Plumblee in the list and I shit my pants, add to that Pop scaring players and a guy with decent shot like Speights goes full scrub mode.

Balls? You mean those intangibles like getting a technical foul and getting tossed to "fire up the team"? That shit?

[Mikeanaro]

Balls? You mean those intangibles like getting a technical foul and getting tossed to "fire up the team"? That shit?
No, intangibles like

Run because there is no tomorrow
Dont hesitate to shoot ruining open looks
Dont overdo passing the ball until its too late or the stupid turnover happens
Make the basket make the easy layup
Put some passion on it
Dont shit your pants letting the other team do what they want, defend like a madman.
Dont shit your pants when you are being double teamed.
Grab some rebound motherfucker.
And if you can please make a free throw.

Sounds familiar to you? because thats not what Aldridge and Gasol were doing, and other teams role players had no problems to finish the job.

[DMC]

No, intangibles like

Run because there is no tomorrow
Dont hesitate to shoot ruining open looks
Dont overdo passing the ball until its too late or the stupid turnover happens
Make the basket make the easy layup
Put some passion on it
Dont shit your pants letting the other team do what they want, defend like a madman.
Dont shit your pants when you are being double teamed.
Grab some rebound motherfucker.
And if you can please make a free throw.

Sounds familiar to you? because thats not what Aldridge and Gasol were doing, and other teams role players had no problems to finish the job.

Those are fundamentals, nothing to do with balls.

[Mikeanaro]

Those are fundamentals, nothing to do with balls.
Everything has to do with attitude, maybe you never played team sport games in your life.
But sure, if you want to twist it to fit your THE WHOLE TEAM IS PERFECT, NOTHING TO SEE HERE WE ARE GUD!¨ agenda.
None of those players excepting Manu and Kawhi had balls, and the rooks are not the ones to blame.
LMAO and Norman Bates are two lame fatsos, gassed and with no heart balls just a ham sandwich.

[AFBlue]

This is why an athletic front court player makes sense in the draft. Those options are straight garbage.

[DMC]

Everything has to do with attitude, maybe you never played team sport games in your life.
But sure, if you want to twist it to fit your THE WHOLE TEAM IS PERFECT, NOTHING TO SEE HERE WE ARE GUD!¨ agenda.
None of those players excepting Manu and Kawhi had balls, and the rooks are not the ones to blame.
LMAO and Norman Bates are two lame fatsos, gassed and with no heart balls just a ham sandwich.

This is just fan gibberish. The league is full of low IQ guys with high testosterone. They generally occupy the other 26 or so shitty teams. Ballsy players only really matter if they are super talented to boot, at which point being super talented is really the key, not the ballsy part. "I want some nasty" doesn't refer to balls, it refers to aggressiveness which is a fundamental aspect of basketball.

Funny how so many here played in the NBA, or church league.. same thing.

[Mikeanaro]

This is just fan gibberish. The league is full of low IQ guys with high testosterone. They generally occupy the other 26 or so shitty teams. Ballsy players only really matter if they are super talented to boot, at which point being super talented is really the key, not the ballsy part. "I want some nasty" doesn't refer to balls, it refers to aggressiveness which is a fundamental aspect of basketball.

Funny how so many here played in the NBA, or church league.. same thing.
Is not, Spurs are a championship caliber team but they dont get benefits from the refs so everything is harder, if you dont get the right people for the job there can be only one result and is not dancing at the river parade.

[DMC]

Is not, Spurs are a championship caliber team but they dont get benefits from the refs so everything is harder, if you dont get the right people for the job there can be only one result and is not dancing at the river parade.

Now with the ref shit. Forget about the refs. Spurs don't attack relentlessly like some other teams do. Still get to the line, KL got what, 18Fts or something against Memphis? Spurs aren't good enough on paper to win at the rate they do if they have as much going against them as people on here seem to indicate.

It's simple: The Spurs either could have beaten GS with a healthy roster or they could not have. I think they could not have (could being prediction, not saying it's impossible). If you think they could have, then you're in effect saying the Spurs have everything they need to win a championship. There's no 2 ways about it. Refs be damned.

[Mikeanaro]

Now with the ref shit. Forget about the refs. Spurs don't attack relentlessly like some other teams do. Still get to the line, KL got what, 18Fts or something against Memphis? Spurs aren't good enough on paper to win at the rate they do if they have as much going against them as people on here seem to indicate.

It's simple: The Spurs either could have beaten GS with a healthy roster or they could not have. I think they could not have (could being prediction, not saying it's impossible). If you think they could have, then you're in effect saying the Spurs have everything they need to win a championship. There's no 2 ways about it. Refs be damned.
The ref shit is real, is the main reason why these GSW retards won 73 games, why the CHeat won the 2013 championship, and it cost Spurs the 2016 series vs OKC, one little call here, one other here, or like they did in 2016 OKC WE FUCK YOU BECAUSE WE CAN, NOW WE ARE GRABBING OUR JACKETS WE HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO CRATERFACE!

What we saw is KL MANU and TP were great when it mattered, and players like Green, Mills, LMAO and Gasol are crap so while its impossible to dump all of them, retooling is a must.
Maybe they could beat GSW but they didnt, there is nothing wrong with pointing whats wrong with this team now, because if you improve that just imagine what you can do with an improved roster and KL at his 100% plus a possible useful TP.

[CGD]

1. Bring in Multinov

2. draft a project big at #29

3. Wait for Lee to realize market is tepid and opt-in

4. Sign a bargain big like Anthony or Splitter

[DPG21920]

From what I have seen (admittedly very little video) Multinov looks REALLY bad. No where close to NBA level at the moment.

[DPG21920]

Now with the ref shit. Forget about the refs. Spurs don't attack relentlessly like some other teams do. Still get to the line, KL got what, 18Fts or something against Memphis? Spurs aren't good enough on paper to win at the rate they do if they have as much going against them as people on here seem to indicate.

It's simple: The Spurs either could have beaten GS with a healthy roster or they could not have. I think they could not have (could being prediction, not saying it's impossible). If you think they could have, then you're in effect saying the Spurs have everything they need to win a championship. There's no 2 ways about it. Refs be damned.

GS thought they had enough with their roster to win it all and they still brought in KD. Of course, even if you think you are good enough, there are varying degrees of margin for error. Spurs have a team that is a title contender but their margin for error is thin.

GS's is very high and so is CLE due to their talent. But SA has a chance to beat them as is but that should not stop them from trying to improve their margin for error.

But the overall point is moot at the moment and doesn't seem likely that SA will change much going into this next season due to their cap situation which is fine.

[tbdog]

1. Bring in Multinov

2. draft a project big at #29

3. Wait for Lee to realize market is tepid and opt-in

4. Sign a bargain big like Anthony or Splitter

Too many bigs.

[DMC]

GS thought they had enough with their roster to win it all and they still brought in KD. Of course, even if you think you are good enough, there are varying degrees of margin for error. Spurs have a team that is a title contender but their margin for error is thin.

GS's is very high and so is CLE due to their talent. But SA has a chance to beat them as is but that should not stop them from trying to improve their margin for error.

But the overall point is moot at the moment and doesn't seem likely that SA will change much going into this next season due to their cap situation which is fine.

It depends on your definition of "improve". What some here suggest is more like scorched earth and hoping for a new dawn next year. Nothing wrong with getting better, but you don't blow up a team that is a legit contender. I don't think SA, as currently constructed, is a legit contender because of the strength of the Warriors. Still, it's better to hold out for improvement than blowing it up and going the Philly route.

[DPG21920]

It depends on your definition of "improve". What some here suggest is more like scorched earth and hoping for a new dawn next year. Nothing wrong with getting better, but you don't blow up a team that is a legit contender. I don't think SA, as currently constructed, is a legit contender because of the strength of the Warriors. Still, it's better to hold out for improvement than blowing it up and going the Philly route.

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. Spurs are a damn good team and you don't blow those up without tremendous cause. Injuries can happen to GS and then boom, SA is there. Things like that. Was just making a point about margin for error and the thought process but most here aren't doing that.

They are doing what you say; crapping on the team while expecting them to win it all

[tholdren]

This is why an athletic front court player makes sense in the draft. Those options are straight garbage.

Just bring back blair

[SAGirl]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711846-free-agency-rankings-top-available-centers

[AFBlue]

Just bring back blair

Or draft the next one in Caleb Swanigan. Only this one can shoot already.

[raybies]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711846-free-agency-rankings-top-available-centers
my gosh that list is a lil underwhelming...

[tholdren]

Or draft the next one in Caleb Swanigan. Only this one can shoot already.

Dont need a shooter. Need a rebounder, a pick setter, active body on d.

[SAGirl]

my gosh that list is a lil underwhelming... yea... I think that trade for Nurkic that Portland swung was a steal.

Dedmon is probably getting a nice deal. It's rumored by Jabari from SAExpress that GM he has talked to don't really expect him to be reupped by the Spurs. We shall see, maybe Spurs will draft someone or bring Milutinov over.

Dedmon fell out of the rotation completely and it isn't worth it to pay the big bucks to guys Pop can't play in the playoffs. We shall see I guess.

[TimDunkem]

Dont need a shooter. Need a rebounder, a pick setter, active body on d.
Swanigan wouldn't be my first choice but he CAN actually do all those things. He has potential to be a steal in this draft.

Also, any time a player can shoot, it's a plus. That never hurts.

[BillMc]

my gosh that list is a lil underwhelming...

Wilt is rolling over in his grave. What's happened to this league?

[Uriel]

1. Bring in Multinov

2. draft a project big at #29

3. Wait for Lee to realize market is tepid and opt-in

4. Sign a bargain big like Anthony or Splitter
:tu :tu :tu

[TheGreatYacht]

1. Bring in Multinov

2. draft a project big at #29

3. Wait for Lee to realize market is tepid and opt-in

4. Sign a bargain big like Anthony or Splitter
With a group like Murray-Forbes-Green, who needs guards?

Also, let's bring back Anthony. Who cares if he averaged 2pts & 2rebs in his prime and is now a shell of his former scrub self.

[poop]

Keeping dedmon and actually playing him would be the best option

[BatManu20]

Or draft the next one in Caleb Swanigan. Only this one can shoot already.

I'd be shocked if he's the pick.. he's a 2nd rounder imo, and in most mocks. A 6'9 Center who's not very athletic will be limited in the NBA. Long arms and can shoot a bit, but there will be better prospects still available at 29.

[SilverSpur]

Draft a big like Isaiah Hartenstein 7-1" 18 years old , can move, dribble and shoot. Huge upside and with Duncan around all the time, he can teach him a thing or two
Check out his videos on YouTube

[TimDunkem]

I'd be shocked if he's the pick.. he's a 2nd rounder imo, and in most mocks. A 6'9 Center who's not very athletic will be limited in the NBA. Long arms and can shoot a bit, but there will be better prospects still available at 29.
I remember when they said that about Draymond.

You're right though, there will be BETTER players available. This draft has great potential, imo.