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So teams are allowed now to pay absurd amounts to their player to keep him but not to acquire a new one?
Who's to say a team will pay that though? I can see it for certain players, we all know who, but why would Chris Paul get uber max money to stay with a team when they aren't getting out of the 1st round most of the time?
Who are the max money guys?
Lebron
Durant
Curry (hard to have both on same team)
Kawhi (not up yet but gets the All NBA team bonus if he's eligible)
A Davis
Who else?
Boogie?
Irving?
Harden?
Westbrook?
Wall?
Beal?
Hayward?
Draymond?
Klay?
Kevin Love?
??
LkrFan
05-26-2017, 12:09 PM
Good thread DMC. This goes back to the small market owners with a shitty FO complaining that they are losing the franchise players they only got because they tanked in the first place (or just plain sucked).
I do like the idea that Clipper Nation will have to pay upwards of $207M to keep CP:lol or lose him to a contending team like the Spurs. He'd be a fool to leave all that dough on the table tbh.
As far as max players, your list is about right.
No one in their right mind walks away from 70 million. It's impossible. I like rings and all but I'll take the 70m over any accolade, call me a sellout. IDGAF
LkrFan
05-26-2017, 01:06 PM
No one in their right mind walks away from 70 million. It's impossible. I like rings and all but I'll take the 70m over any accolade, call me a sellout. IDGAF
:lol - money talks, BS walks...unless you're a dumbass like David West :lmao
UNT Eagles 2016
05-26-2017, 02:21 PM
No one in their right mind walks away from 70 million. It's impossible. I like rings and all but I'll take the 70m over any accolade, call me a sellout. IDGAF
Then invest $100m of the money you already made -- in real estate, earn 200m profit over the next five years, you just did better than the 70m AND got your ring.
The Toenail Clippers will NEVER win a championship.
I think if you make an All-NBA team your team can offer the super max. The problem is, they're waiting until after super teams are already assembled to put in measures to stop super teams from being formed.
LkrFan
05-26-2017, 03:53 PM
Then invest $100m of the money you already made -- in real estate, earn 200m profit over the next five years, you just did better than the 70m AND got your ring.
The Toenail Clippers will NEVER win a championship.
:lol
LkrFan
05-26-2017, 04:26 PM
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whitemamba
05-26-2017, 05:15 PM
No one in their right mind walks away from 70 million. It's impossible. I like rings and all but I'll take the 70m over any accolade, call me a sellout. IDGAF
My nigga you would take a kit Kat bar over a ring. That being said your right though , CP:lol is not leaving the 60 mill or what ever and leaving. Id do the same.
LkrFan
05-26-2017, 06:02 PM
My nigga you would take a kit Kat bar over a ring. That being said your right though , CP:lol is not leaving the 60 mill or what ever , and leaving. Is do the same .
:lmao
UNT Eagles 2016
05-26-2017, 06:30 PM
My nigga you would take a kit Kat bar over a ring. That being said your right though , CP:lol is not leaving the 60 mill or what ever and leaving. Id do the same.
I'd definitely take the ring. You only live once and you can always get more money. You cannot, however, be in your 30s again when you're in your 50s.
Then invest $100m of the money you already made -- in real estate, earn 200m profit over the next five years, you just did better than the 70m AND got your ring.
The Toenail Clippers will NEVER win a championship.
You still eating ramen?
:lol
:lmao
Everything is fuckin' hilarious, isn't it Guillermo?
LkrFan
05-26-2017, 08:04 PM
Everything is fuckin' hilarious, isn't it Guillermo?
:lol yes, why yes it is :lol
whitemamba
05-26-2017, 08:09 PM
I'd definitely take the ring. You only live once and you can always get more money. You cannot, however, be in your 30s again when you're in your 50s.
No, you can't just get 60 million :lol
ambchang
05-26-2017, 10:01 PM
At some point money is just an ego thing. Is there much of a difference between $130m and $200m. Sure. Is it going to change your lifestyle by any significant degree? Probably not.
What it does give though is bragging rights and the feeling of being wanted and valuable.
Getting a ring though is priceless. No matter how much money you throw at it you can't just go buy one. You have to earn it and justifies the hard work you put in.
It's great having a $400k job in a big company, but some people would rather be their own boss and pull in $250k a year instead.
At some point money is just an ego thing. Is there much of a difference between $130m and $200m. Sure. Is it going to change your lifestyle by any significant degree? Probably not.
What it does give though is bragging rights and the feeling of being wanted and valuable.
Getting a ring though is priceless. No matter how much money you throw at it you can't just go buy one. You have to earn it and justifies the hard work you put in.
It's great having a $400k job in a big company, but some people would rather be their own boss and pull in $250k a year instead.
If you're just going to put it in an account and live in a bungalo for the rest of your life as if you've got 400K, no, there's no difference. If you want to retire at age 38 or so and do whatever the fuck you want forever and set your kids up and buy properties and whatever else, there's a hell of a lot of difference between 130m and 200m. You're talking about the difference between the career earnings of Nene and Lebron. I'd say significant.
Getting a ring isn't priceless. All KD had to do was switch teams. Ring chasers get rings all the time. There's a price tag on it. David West tried to pay 12m for his.
Talk to Adam Morrison or Jeff Ayers about how priceless rings are, offer them the 70m for theirs.
Bragging rights.. lol.... Barkley destroys Shaq on the regular and Shaq's 4 rings doesn't help him. He can talk about it, but no one cares. Sure it's better than nothing, but the HOF has plenty folks who never rang.
The amount of $ 70,000,000 would have in 100 Dollar Notes a weight of 700.00 kg (1,543.24 pounds). A single stack of money with 700,000 new banknotes would be 70.00 m (76.55 yards) high and would have a volume of at least 724.42 litres (765.49 quarts)
Try trading that for this.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/smgphotogallery/61/d1/67c5c83845ca9393d0fbe5592f18/nba-championship-rings-through-the-years.jpg
Player number value notwithstanding, valued about 13.5K.
UNT Eagles 2016
05-27-2017, 06:52 AM
You still eating ramen?
Pretty sure I'll soon be eating the luxury seafood Ramen from the nice Korean and Japanese restaurants tbh.
Pretty sure I'll soon be eating the luxury seafood Ramen from the nice Korean and Japanese restaurants tbh.
Top ramen only
Clipper Nation
05-27-2017, 10:48 AM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/smgphotogallery/61/d1/67c5c83845ca9393d0fbe5592f18/nba-championship-rings-through-the-years.jpg
The Warriors' rings should have looked more like this, tbh:
http://i.imgur.com/zBab0iy.jpg
The Warriors' rings should have looked more like this, tbh:
http://i.imgur.com/zBab0iy.jpg
"Should have"
ambchang
05-27-2017, 04:02 PM
If you're just going to put it in an account and live in a bungalo for the rest of your life as if you've got 400K, no, there's no difference. If you want to retire at age 38 or so and do whatever the fuck you want forever and set your kids up and buy properties and whatever else, there's a hell of a lot of difference between 130m and 200m. You're talking about the difference between the career earnings of Nene and Lebron. I'd say significant.
Getting a ring isn't priceless. All KD had to do was switch teams. Ring chasers get rings all the time. There's a price tag on it. David West tried to pay 12m for his.
Talk to Adam Morrison or Jeff Ayers about how priceless rings are, offer them the 70m for theirs.
Bragging rights.. lol.... Barkley destroys Shaq on the regular and Shaq's 4 rings doesn't help him. He can talk about it, but no one cares. Sure it's better than nothing, but the HOF has plenty folks who never rang.
The amount of $ 70,000,000 would have in 100 Dollar Notes a weight of 700.00 kg (1,543.24 pounds). A single stack of money with 700,000 new banknotes would be 70.00 m (76.55 yards) high and would have a volume of at least 724.42 litres (765.49 quarts)
Try trading that for this.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/smgphotogallery/61/d1/67c5c83845ca9393d0fbe5592f18/nba-championship-rings-through-the-years.jpg
Player number value notwithstanding, valued about 13.5K.
West trading $12m for nothing just showed that it's priceless. Shaq rubs four rings in barkleys face all day. Shaq has no ability to argue and that's the only thing that gives him anything to stand on. Doesn't make him right but that's what braggging rights is about.
Ayers and Morrison never earned anything close to $130m in either of their careers.
Also, $70m doesn't really mean $70m. After taxes they get something like $40m or something like that.
Finally retiring at 38 with $130m doesn't make much of a lifestyle different as $200m. Especially when $130m is actually $70m after taxes and $200m is about $110m after taxes.
Leetonidas
05-27-2017, 04:05 PM
I would imagine as a regular person even if you make 200k+ a year its hard to fathom walking away from 70 million. But when you've already made 150 million in salary, plus endorsement money, plus knowing you're getting at least another 150 million guaranteed, then maybe legacy and rings are more important. To some people anyway. I doubt CP3 comes here either way
West trading $12m for nothing just showed that it's priceless. Shaq rubs four rings in barkleys face all day. Shaq has no ability to argue and that's the only thing that gives him anything to stand on. Doesn't make him right but that's what braggging rights is about.
Ayers and Morrison never earned anything close to $130m in either of their careers.
Also, $70m doesn't really mean $70m. After taxes they get something like $40m or something like that.
Finally retiring at 38 with $130m doesn't make much of a lifestyle different as $200m. Especially when $130m is actually $70m after taxes and $200m is about $110m after taxes.
If it was priceless you'd see more people like Lillard and Carmelo playing for cheap to win a ring. It's not priceless. It's just career jewelry. If you can buy a ring, which a player can do basically by foregoing their salary to move to a stacked team, then it's hardly priceless.
LkrFan
05-27-2017, 07:43 PM
The Warriors' rings should have looked more like this, tbh:
http://i.imgur.com/zBab0iy.jpg
Where'd you get that authentic 1999 rang? :downspin:
ambchang
05-27-2017, 08:02 PM
If it was priceless you'd see more people like Lillard and Carmelo playing for cheap to win a ring. It's not priceless. It's just career jewelry. If you can buy a ring, which a player can do basically by foregoing their salary to move to a stacked team, then it's hardly priceless.
Some players don't value things that are priceless. Priceless doesn't mean everyone wants it. It just means you can't put a pr Very on it.
Some players don't value things that are priceless. Priceless doesn't mean everyone wants it. It just means you can't put a pr Very on it.
The term "priceless" means it cannot be purchased for any amount. Think about time with your loved ones after they are gone, memories, certain works of art and literature. NBA championships are bought all the time. Mark Cuban bought one then cashed it in. Teams that pay over the cap for stacked rosters are buying championships. Players that sacrifice money to win rings are buying championships. It doesn't need to mean everyone wants it. Your market size is about 400 players, most of whom would choose money over a ring 100 time out of 100. Guys that wait until they are about to retire before ring chasing obviously don't really value the ring, they are just taking that flailing swing on their way out, like that last second heave from half court that you won't take in normal game situations.
ambchang
05-28-2017, 09:21 AM
The term "priceless" means it cannot be purchased for any amount. Think about time with your loved ones after they are gone, memories, certain works of art and literature. NBA championships are bought all the time. Mark Cuban bought one then cashed it in. Teams that pay over the cap for stacked rosters are buying championships. Players that sacrifice money to win rings are buying championships. It doesn't need to mean everyone wants it. Your market size is about 400 players, most of whom would choose money over a ring 100 time out of 100. Guys that wait until they are about to retire before ring chasing obviously don't really value the ring, they are just taking that flailing swing on their way out, like that last second heave from half court that you won't take in normal game situations.
Yet there are countless examples teams try to buy a championship and failed. New York, Brooklyn, lakers, are some recent examples.
Money improve your chances but you can't buy it. Thus priceless.
As for the original argument:
No one in their right mind walks away from 70 million. It's impossible. I like rings and all but I'll take the 70m over any accolade, call me a sellout. IDGAF
I have no problems with most people choosing $70m. I think that's fair. I don't agree that choosing a ring over $70m means the person is not of the right kind. Duncan and dirk chose to give better chances at a ring over money, so did west. I think they are of sound mind.
Yet there are countless examples teams try to buy a championship and failed. New York, Brooklyn, lakers, are some recent examples.
Money improve your chances but you can't buy it. Thus priceless.
As for the original argument:
I have no problems with most people choosing $70m. I think that's fair. I don't agree that choosing a ring over $70m means the person is not of the right kind. Duncan and dirk chose to give better chances at a ring over money, so did west. I think they are of sound mind.
"give money" /= 70m
That's half of Tim's net worth, maybe more. That's almost a full Amy.
ambchang
05-28-2017, 12:15 PM
"give money" /= 70m
That's half of Tim's net worth, maybe more. That's almost a full Amy.
Duncan made $35m his last four seasons when his market price is closer to $70 or $80. Dirk made $16 his last two when he could have pulled in about $50. If want to say that's not exactly $70m, then he my guest. The point is there are many players giving up huge contracts for a better chance at the ring, not even a guaranteed ring.
Duncan made $35m his last four seasons when his market price is closer to $70 or $80. Dirk made $16 his last two when he could have pulled in about $50. If want to say that's not exactly $70m, then he my guest. The point is there are many players giving up huge contracts for a better chance at the ring, not even a guaranteed ring.
You're comparing walking away from a team offering you 70m more than any other team can offer and staying with a team without taking any other offers. Like always, you're not comparing apples to apples. Tim will spend the next 30 years chasing the 25m he lost. Imagine it was 70m. Jesus Christ it would be a forum unto itself. Imagine Blackjack Customs posting a 70m profit and Tim saying "nah".
You don't understand the concept of 70 million. It's more than some corporations post as a quarterly profit.
ambchang
05-28-2017, 06:50 PM
You're comparing walking away from a team offering you 70m more than any other team can offer and staying with a team without taking any other offers. Like always, you're not comparing apples to apples. Tim will spend the next 30 years chasing the 25m he lost. Imagine it was 70m. Jesus Christ it would be a forum unto itself. Imagine Blackjack Customs posting a 70m profit and Tim saying "nah".
You don't understand the concept of 70 million. It's more than some corporations post as a quarterly profit.
I understand it's a lot of money. But there are cases where players realize they have enough money for anger generations and decided that they would rather have a ring.
It's pretty much diminishing returns.
Will I choose $70m over a ring? Sure. Will someone like Chris Paul who already made $130m in his career and will at least make another $130m in his career do it? Hard to say but it's not far fetched as Duncan and nowitzki and west already showed that they would choose winning over money. I'd hardly think that anyone in their right minds wouldn't.
I understand it's a lot of money. But there are cases where players realize they have enough money for anger generations and decided that they would rather have a ring.
It's pretty much diminishing returns.
Will I choose $70m over a ring? Sure. Will someone like Chris Paul who already made $130m in his career and will at least make another $130m in his career do it? Hard to say but it's not far fetched as Duncan and nowitzki and west already showed that they would choose winning over money. I'd hardly think that anyone in their right minds wouldn't.
You don't do that walk away thing in your financial prime though. You do it in your last mini-contract years. There's also a huge difference between choosing career winning where you are part and parcel of the franchise, and ring chasing where the majority of your career you were on a struggling 1st round playoff team and just decided one day you'd try to get one. If I was holding 200m and thought an extra 70 would change 20 years of my career, I'd do it. I won't do it for 2 years of my career though.
Plus, this is why CP3 wanted that provision in the first place, so he could personally cash in. I'd hate to be the agent of a guy who turned down 70m more. Ok maybe hate is a strong word, but I'd prefer the 70m commission.
Regardless, who's to say these teams will pay that for these guys? I don't fully understand the verbiage of the CBA so are the teams required or just allowed to pay it? I wouldn't think you could require it.
ambchang
05-28-2017, 08:53 PM
You don't do that walk away thing in your financial prime though. You do it in your last mini-contract years. There's also a huge difference between choosing career winning where you are part and parcel of the franchise, and ring chasing where the majority of your career you were on a struggling 1st round playoff team and just decided one day you'd try to get one. If I was holding 200m and thought an extra 70 would change 20 years of my career, I'd do it. I won't do it for 2 years of my career though.
Plus, this is why CP3 wanted that provision in the first place, so he could personally cash in. I'd hate to be the agent of a guy who turned down 70m more. Ok maybe hate is a strong word, but I'd prefer the 70m commission.
Regardless, who's to say these teams will pay that for these guys? I don't fully understand the verbiage of the CBA so are the teams required or just allowed to pay it? I wouldn't think you could require it.
Sure, but just like you said:
Lefty, just because someone does what they want to do doesn't mean everyone wants the same things. For example, you might like to suck a dick so you'll go suck a dick. Others here will likely go have a beer, but you're both doing what you want to do, putting something in your mouths that satisfies you, so technically it's the same thing, but in reality you're a faggot and we're just beer drinkers.
My nigga you would take a kit Kat bar over a ring. :lol
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