Dedmon Opts Out

[TXstbobcat]

Dewayne Dedmon (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/225733/dewayne-dedmon) has declined his $3 million player option. This is in line with what most thought would happen as Dedmon’s performance in his one year with the San Antonio Spurs (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/san-antonio-spurs) was enough for him to get a nice raise.

[TheGreatYacht]

How will we survive without that 5ppg, 6rpg, and >1bpg as a starter?

[Chinook]

How will we survive without that 5ppg, 6rpg, and >1bpg as a starter?

6 and 8 with a plus-20 Net Rating in 20 minutes per game as a starter*

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Of course he would, he can probably get the MLE from some team.

[Chinook]

This wasn't a bad thing regardless. Would rather pay Dedmon more later and keep the space for now. However, he likely won't be back, and matching salary for him isn't really a huge priority for the team.

[DaBears]

NBA where dreams come true.. #professionalathlete

[TheGreatYacht]

6 and 8 with a plus-20 Net Rating in 20 minutes per game as a starter*
5 & 7. My bad.

Is he irreplaceable?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

:bobo Here's to many upcoming opt out threads.

[tenbeersbold]

Dude has heart,just needs consistent playing time,
Go figure scrubs like Austin Daye and Jeff Ayres got endless leash to suck it up but Dedmon for whatever reason didn't.
Me thinks he's a little too black for Pop lol

[Hoops Czar]

And the first domino falls

[Chinook]

5 & 7. My bad.

Is he irreplaceable?

Are you against rounding properly?

And he's not irreplaceable like Danny is. But obviously, he fits snuggly next to all the other Spurs you hate.

[MultiTroll]

How will we survive without that 5ppg, 6rpg, and >1bpg as a starter?
You're clueless.
Go have a raspberry frappe with Alicia at Starbuckths.

[Hoops Czar]

Are you against rounding properly?

And he's not irreplaceable like Danny is. But obviously, he fits snuggly next to all the other Spurs you hate.

:lol

[offset formation]

In honor of Powers Booth....

https://media3.giphy.com/media/2ept7eRuyq98s/giphy.gif

[Big Empty]

The two teams in the next 3 years that you will have to go through to win a title are the Warriors and Cavs. We wont use him much against those teams. As much as I like his hustle we need to focus on matching up with the playoff teams that give us fits.

[blizz]

Danny Green is irreplaceable? Lol. You people are full of shit. DG hasn't been worth a damn since the first four games of the finals 4 years ago.

[Strategic]

Pop opted out on him so what else is news?

[RD2191]

:lol

Chinook has to be trolling at this point TBH

[BatManu20]

See ya Dewayne. We'll always have this memory of him getting ejected for calling Beverley a "hoe-ass nigga."


youtu.be/Vrq6nXK98Iw

[Seventyniner]

I think a Paul/Green/Leonard/Aldridge/Dedmon lineup could go toe-to-toe with anything the Warriors or Cavs could put on the floor. Too bad.

[Dverde]

Have fun in Detroit

[lefty]

Better than Porker...

[TXstbobcat]

In honor of Powers Booth....

https://media3.giphy.com/media/2ept7eRuyq98s/giphy.gif

former Texas State Bobcat. RIP Powers Booth

[Spur|n|Austin]

Have fun in Detroit

:lol

[Dex]

Never got it together or fit in. Regressed once he was put into the starting lineup. Couldn't secure a contested rebound despite being 7-feet tall. Only talent on offense was catching lobs, but was awful at cutting or creating space for them.

Go get your overpaid $10M somewhere else.

[weebo]

Athletic as hell but dumb as shit

[Spursmania]

Well, we all expected this. Let's see what's next.

[DeRozan m8]

Danny has sucked since he changed to 14 tbh

[Keepin' it real]

Danny Green is irreplaceable? Lol. You people are full of shit. DG hasn't been worth a damn since the first four games of the finals 4 years ago.

I thought this was a Dedmon thread. :wakeup

[tholdren]

Get a clue. He was the only big other than lee that woukd set a pick. Outplayed gasol, why would he make a fifth of it? Its hilarious to see the 10+k posters not understand the game after all these posts.

[Dverde]

Pop did the rope-a-dujuan blair on him. Start him during the season then bench him during the playoffs...no wonder he wants to leave

[Mikeanaro]

Two things,
1- Pop is an idiot made him play a lot during the RS and then was not aware Dedmon was on the roster.
2- Also the money factor, with all these over paying going on he must find the best deal he can because chances like this are minimal, he came to the league being 25 years old and with 10 day contracts so got to cash some checks before its too late.

[Joseph Kony]

Kinda sad to see him go but ehh...i enjoyed his lobs and defense but he was constantly getting caught out of position and was a fouling machine with a low bbiq. Multinov will fill his place fine next year tbh

[dabom]

There goes our DPOY. :lmao

[tholdren]

There goes our DPOY. :lmao

Remember when you said pau would anchor the defense....

[TheDoctor]

Anyone know if hater is okay?

[pgardn]

Anyone know if hater is okay?

He has never been, okay.

[TheGreatYacht]

Anyone know if hater is okay?
Hope he doesn't leave us like ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054) and Brazil (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14466) did. RIP tbh...

[ElNono]

Hope he doesn't leave us like ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054) and Brazil (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14466) did. RIP tbh...

brah you should be partying, tbh

[dabom]

Remember when you said pau would anchor the defense....

I've never said that faggot. :lmao

[TheDoctor]

Hope he doesn't leave us like ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054) and Brazil (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14466) did. RIP tbh...

For the homies Brazil, ElNono & hater
http://38.media.tumblr.com/794a058f215742488bbd421ea86c784a/tumblr_nbrlakMoPu1qj0nbxo2_400.gif

[TheGreatYacht]

brah you should be partying, tbh
After Parker's announcement yesterday, who says I'm not :wakeup

[TheGreatYacht]

For the homies Brazil (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14466), ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054) & hater (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7609)
http://38.media.tumblr.com/794a058f215742488bbd421ea86c784a/tumblr_nbrlakMoPu1qj0nbxo2_400.gif
If avid Lee opts out, we can add Spurtacular to the list. :danceclub

I mean :depressed

[DMC]

This wasn't a bad thing regardless. Would rather pay Dedmon more later and keep the space for now. However, he likely won't be back, and matching salary for him isn't really a huge priority for the team.

He will be out of the league in 3 years.

[elemento]

Good riddance. He won't be back.

[Brazil]

Hope he doesn't leave us like ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054) and Brazil (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14466) did. RIP tbh...


For the homies Brazil (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14466), ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054) & hater (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7609)
http://38.media.tumblr.com/794a058f215742488bbd421ea86c784a/tumblr_nbrlakMoPu1qj0nbxo2_400.gif

I'm gonna miss you guys... I hope Anderson is not going to be traded because the board will also lose SAGirl tbh... :depressed

[TheDoctor]

Nah according to spurstalk Dedmon is walking

LilB Get your ass in here.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Danny Green is irreplaceable? Lol. You people are full of shit. DG hasn't been worth a damn since the first four games of the finals 4 years ago.

And the 4 point play against OKC in 2014 and Game 1 against the Heat in 2014. But other than that, yes, he has been way below average

[TD 21]

I don't understand why it's always been presumed he's definitely not returning. If Mills is re-signed, I don't see why they wouldn't offer him the MLE (if not, it'll be earmarked for a point guard). They have a significant need for this type of center, they don't grow on trees and there is no succession plan right now. It's possible someone bests that obviously (Celtics have need and cap space) but there's not as much cap space as the past two off seasons and most teams are either set or overloaded at center.



How will we survive without that 5ppg, 6rpg, and >1bpg as a starter?

Counting stats, with no context, in '17?

He only averaged 17.5 mpg and had a usage rate of 12.3%, so naturally his counting stats aren't going to be great.

Had he played enough minutes to quality, his rebound and block %'s would have ranked 6th and t-16th, respectively. Points are irrelevant, for a low minute, low usage, rim roller. Like virtually all freak athlete centers, he also got to the line at a high rate, but unlike most, he converted at a respectable 66.9%.

[DMC]

I don't understand why it's always been presumed he's definitely not returning. If Mills is re-signed, I don't see why they wouldn't offer him the MLE (if not, it'll be earmarked for a point guard). They have a significant need for this type of center, they don't grow on trees and there is no succession plan right now. It's possible someone bests that obviously (Celtics have need and cap space) but there's not as much cap space as the past two off seasons and most teams are either set or overloaded at center.




Counting stats, with no context, in '17?

He only averaged 17.5 mpg and had a usage rate of 12.3, so naturally his counting stats aren't going to be great.

Had he played enough minutes to quality, his rebound % would have ranked 6th in the league and his block % would have ranked t-16th. Points are irrelevant, for a low minute, low usage, rim roller. Like virtually all freak athlete centers, he also got to the line at a high rate, but unlike most, he converted at a respectable 66.9%.

The could, but he's a hothead and he's just low talent high rage genetic fodder for the rest of the league to run a train on.

[Chinook]

And the 4 point play against OKC in 2014 and Game 1 against the Heat in 2014. But other than that, yes, he has been way below average

Sure, we can forget Game Three of the 2014 Finals and the following regular season where he helped support and injured team. Hell, he even did a bunch in Game Seven in 2015, though people misremember that series as one where Green sucked most of the time.

[coachmac87]

Danny has sucked since he changed to 14 tbh

Facts..

[Hoops Czar]

Sure, we can forget Game Three of the 2014 Finals and the following regular season where he helped support and injured team. Hell, he even did a bunch in Game Seven in 2015, though people misremember that series as one where Green sucked most of the time.

Kawhi Leonard is the only roster player that is irreplaceable. I don't know what your Danny Green fetish is all about, but he isn't nearly as good as you seem to think he is and he's absolutely replaceable.

It wouldn't hurt for the Spurs to strike while the iron is hot. Trade him while he still has value.

[TD 21]

According to Jabari Young, NBA GM's project his range to be 3-4 years and $8-10M and "and right now, the feeling is that the Spurs will probably not try to go after him again". He mentions lack of cap space; as if they won't have the MLE, which is right in that range.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2017/05/30/dedmon-declines-player-option-will-test-free-agency/

[Spurs9]

Nets or Suns?

[Play Boban]

Mulitinov >>> Deadman

[Down Under]

Sign Splitter for the minimum.

[Spurs9]

Sign Splitter for the minimum.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/1f/1f6c26c6dd639ffddb8023a8b9ba4598afa6abbf69f9c2ad92 285fb729257e70.jpg

[tonight...you]

Sure, we can forget Game Three of the 2014 Finals and the following regular season where he helped support and injured team. Hell, he even did a bunch in Game Seven in 2015, though people misremember that series as one where Green sucked most of the time.
You make me want to go fishing... it sucks I live in a desert.
I have a million SW Airlines points... I think I'm planning a trip to go deep sea fishing.

[Dex]

Pop did the rope-a-dujuan blair on him. Start him during the season then bench him during the playoffs...no wonder he wants to leave

Or maybe he just wasn't that good and couldn't keep up with the likes of Houston and Golden State.

[TD 21]

I've said since the day Splitter was traded that he'll likely end up a Spur again. I think there's a good chance he's signed for the minimum, but him and Milutinov don't possess the athleticism or toughness of Dedmon and both of those things are sorely lacking up front.

I don't understand the aversion this fan base has to the notion of paying just about anybody. It's as if you're all under this illusion, that if they just have as much cap space as possible, some Duncan or James level player is destined to fall in their laps. Money will be spent this summer, they won't have nearly as much flexibility in '18 as it appears at the moment, the free agent class is weak anyway and though they could take on money in a trade, no one is salary dumping some game changer.

Lose the majority of the free agents, go cheap with replacements and the team will be worse off, with no clear path to improvement in the near future.

[phxspurfan]

Oh noes, we lose another Jackie Butler. Time to go get another one from the D-League I guess...

[BillMc]

Never got it together or fit in. Regressed once he was put into the starting lineup. Couldn't secure a contested rebound despite being 7-feet tall. Only talent on offense was catching lobs, but was awful at cutting or creating space for them.

Go get your overpaid $10M somewhere else.

This.

Never understood ST's love affair with Dedmon. Guy completely fumbled his opportunity as a starter.

[J_Paco]

On a frontcourt that is devoid of athleticism, youth and defensive tenacity, Spur fans are okay with losing the one guy (although very flawed) that possesses 2 out of 3.

And they want to replace him with either a washed up Tiago Splitter, an inexperienced Nikola Multinov or playing out of position LaMarcus Aldridge?

And comparing him to Jackie Butler to boot.....

LMAO

[Russ]

The Spurs are the finishing school for overlooked bigs.

They come, increase their value, then move on.

Not a bad reputation to have.

[SequSpur]

Dedmon went to the locker room during the second half of that last game, he told Pop to FO. they had to talk him into coming back to the bench.... Do the math.

[J_Paco]

Dedmon went to the locker room during the second half of that last game, he told Pop to FO. they had to talk him into coming back to the bench.... Do the math.

When did that happen? I watched the game and I don't remember that occuring.

[SequSpur]

I was there next to the bench. Nobody gives a crap about Dedmon.

[james evans]

i wish he could take Gasol with him

[therealtruth]

Oh noes, we lose another Jackie Butler. Time to go get another one from the D-League I guess...

Mohammed, Elson. Those guys helped get championships.

[J_Paco]

I was there next to the bench. Nobody gives a crap about Dedmon.

Clearly, since the team is rumored to be moving on from him. They still need youth, athleticism and rim protection since Pau, LaMarcus & David Lee provide very little of those three things.

[MultiTroll]

See ya Dewayne. We'll always have this memory of him getting ejected for calling Beverley a "hoe-ass nigga."
Link kaput.
Can we get this clip elsewhere?

[MultiTroll]

I was there next to the bench. Nobody gives a crap about Dedmon.
Does Kawhi Leonard give a crap about Dedmon?

[TimDunkem]

Spurs need to somehow acquire some draft picks or, at the very least, move up. The draft is the answer to replacing Dedmon.

[jbspurs]

GSW will sign this guy and he will give the Spurs headache next season.

[TimDunkem]

GSW will sign this guy and he will give the Spurs headache next season.
Probably unless some bottom feeder throws a huge contract at him. Either is as likely as the other.

[palangi]

Chinook has to be trolling at this point TBH

No he isn't. He made that comment this last offseason only to see DG crap out this year. Bad timing on his part.

[SAGirl]

bleacherreport has him as the 5th most desirable center FA
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711846-free-agency-rankings-top-available-centers

[Ice009]

He's no good on offense, that's probably why the Spurs aren't interested in bringing him back. This new increased cap sucks.

[tholdren]

Dedmon went to the locker room during the second half of that last game, he told Pop to FO. they had to talk him into coming back to the bench.... Do the math.

Good that a player did that to pop. Coach had guys quitting during game 1 and wouldnt play the few who wanted to be there, why would he stay?

[raybies]

I've said since the day Splitter was traded that he'll likely end up a Spur again. I think there's a good chance he's signed for the minimum, but him and Milutinov don't possess the athleticism or toughness of Dedmon and both of those things are sorely lacking up front.

I don't understand the aversion this fan base has to the notion of paying just about anybody. It's as if you're all under this illusion, that if they just have as much cap space as possible, some Duncan or James level player is destined to fall in their laps. Money will be spent this summer, they won't have nearly as much flexibility in '18 as it appears at the moment, the free agent class is weak anyway and though they could take on money in a trade, no one is salary dumping some game changer.

Lose the majority of the free agents, go cheap with replacements and the team will be worse off, with no clear path to improvement in the near future.
slow offseason day but im gonna split hairs... i think you mean the edge that Dedmon plays with cause Milutinov shows a lot of toughness. Also athleticism is good and all but I think you got to factor in other things as well. I'd prefer a higher IQ player like a Splitter or Oberto than just an athletic finishing big. They are exciting and all but sound defense, positioning and smart passing are great too. Plus Dedmon fouled a lot. I hope he does well elsewhere but I wouldn't be surprised if he hits the ground hard as opposed to running. I guess I just want a Spur like player playing in the post. It doesn't have to be flashy or anything, just someone who gets the job done. I think Milutinov would be a better all around player right now if he joined the team. The only thing I don't like is the moving screens he constantly sets.

[TheDoctor]

Does Kawhi Leonard give a crap about Dedmon?

Is Dedmon a daughter?

[jbspurs]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/1f/1f6c26c6dd639ffddb8023a8b9ba4598afa6abbf69f9c2ad92 285fb729257e70.jpg

Tiago will be on the bench more than Dedmon last season. The only difference, Tiago will wear more suit and tie than Spurs uni.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

His offensive game was entirely predicated on oops and putbacks. He had no jump shot and he had no post game. I cannot even recall him dribbling.

On the other side of the court he was a plus weakside defender and serviceable against the post. He fouled too much on the perimeter.

His defense will be missed. We could see that last year when they benched him. The issue was on offense where teams figured they could rotate off him and easily get back in time to put a body on him. That took away the alley oop entirely and mitigated his offensive rebounding significantly. Houston got a lot of mileage out of it and good defensive centers like Green or Gasol could absolutely romp. Reminded me of Kawhi matched up on Prince against the Grizzlies a few years ago.

I would rather take the MLE and spend some of it on Baynes as opposed to all of it on Dedmon. Knows the system. Similar rim and perimeter defender, rebounder. Better post defender. Better jumpshot, roll man, passer, and post player. Ideal backup center.

[GSH]

This.

Never understood ST's love affair with Dedmon. Guy completely fumbled his opportunity as a starter.



Dedmon showed a lot of promise for things he might do - if he got better. If he was 21, and fresh out of college, I could see why people would be optimistic. He'll turn 28 in August. And when he got his shot as a starter, he just didn't do much with it. I'd like to have seen him opt in and come back at that price - and hopefully step up and actually earn a bigger deal. But throwing a lot more money and years into a contract would be dumb. I hope he gets enough to secure his future. Just not from the Spurs.

[james evans]

He's no good on offense, that's probably why the Spurs aren't interested in bringing him back. This new increased cap sucks.
but neither are Aldridge, Green, or Gasol

[BillMc]

Dedmon showed a lot of promise for things he might do - if he got better. If he was 21, and fresh out of college, I could see why people would be optimistic. He'll turn 28 in August. And when he got his shot as a starter, he just didn't do much with it. I'd like to have seen him opt in and come back at that price - and hopefully step up and actually earn a bigger deal. But throwing a lot more money and years into a contract would be dumb. I hope he gets enough to secure his future. Just not from the Spurs.

100% agree. If he were a kid, I'd be happy. But he's in his prime and meh. Simmons has the same problem to a much lesser degree. Bertans and Kyle also need to make "the move" in the next 2 to 3 years or they're gonna become journeymen types.

What did Bill Parcells say? "At some point, you are what you are."

[Ice009]

Dedmon went to the locker room during the second half of that last game, he told Pop to FO. they had to talk him into coming back to the bench.... Do the math.

Where did you hear that?

Darn, I really liked the guy. I liked that he was willing to mix it up and do the dirty work. I know his offense was limited, and that is why he probably lost his court time, but I still think he should have played more.

[jermaine]

Fucking Javale Mcgee is getting his shine on, but the Spurs can't use Dedmon!!! Smh

[r0drig0lac]

GSW will sign this guy and he will give the Spurs headache next season.

[davi78239]

Naw, I bet he goes to the Mavs

[MultiTroll]

but neither are Aldridge, Green, or Gasol
:lol This.

The "Dedman can't play because of his offense" is soo discriminatory.

[CGD]

Not sure why, at this early stage, Folks herr are saying that the Spurs want to move on from him. The Spurs interest or lack of interest in keeping Dedmon had nothing to do with him opting out. He had a 3m option, so even if he gets 4m next year it's worth the opt out.

[GSH]

Dedmon went to the locker room during the second half of that last game, he told Pop to FO. they had to talk him into coming back to the bench.... Do the math.


Where did you hear that?

Darn, I really liked the guy. I liked that he was willing to mix it up and do the dirty work. I know his offense was limited, and that is why he probably lost his court time, but I still think he should have played more.


I don't know if it's true, and if it happened in the locker room it would have to come from one of the other players. But even if it's true, it doesn't make me not like the guy. It's a lot better than guys laughing on the bench when the team is getting its ass kicked. I'd like to think that Pop is big enough not to make it a long-term issue, but I'm not so sure about that.

:pop: "I'm the coach - I don't have to get over myself."

[bigfan]

I liked the guy and think he has a lot more to offer, he is quick for a big guy and has talent. I hope we find a way to keep him.

[Chinook]

Not sure why, at this early stage, Folks herr are saying that the Spurs want to move on from him. The Spurs interest or lack of interest in keeping Dedmon had nothing to do with him opting out. He had a 3m option, so even if he gets 4m next year it's worth the opt out.

Because if the Spurs have told him they planned on giving him big minutes next year, then it's possible that opting in then getting a huge deal in 2018 would be better. But if they told him he's in for more of this, may as well leave. But you're right that this is not definitive.

[Play Boban]

Deadman is awful. :lol

I hope he enjoys playing in China tbh. :cry

[sananspursfan21]

Danny Green is irreplaceable? Lol. You people are full of shit. DG hasn't been worth a damn since the first four games of the finals 4 years ago.

His transition defense begs to differ my friend.

[GSH]

Not sure why, at this early stage, Folks herr are saying that the Spurs want to move on from him. The Spurs interest or lack of interest in keeping Dedmon had nothing to do with him opting out. He had a 3m option, so even if he gets 4m next year it's worth the opt out.


I don't know what other people are saying, but I'm saying that the Spurs aren't going to mortgage the future for him. If he had opted in, they would have been glad to have him at that price.

If Dedmon wound up coming off the bench behind Gasol again, his stock takes a hit. He's right to go looking for the best contract he can get right now. If he has a breakout year as a starter, maybe he would have been better waiting. But if he doesn't, he's never worth more than he is right this moment. Someone may offer him a big contract. I can't see the Spurs chasing him if they do.

[Ice009]

I still remember the comments Tony made to him after the game against Philadelphia where he had a big double double, TP said something like, hey what are you doing? We're trying to re-sign you next year. I wonder where it all went sour from that point.

If he was angry in the playoffs, where do you guys think he was coming from? Do you think he was mad because could help the Spurs win, or do you think he wanted playing time to increase his contract. I assume early in the playoffs he wanted to play, but maybe when Kawhi went out in game 1, Dedmon was looking for minutes to increase his value. Does anyone think he was looking at it from a next contract angle?

I really liked the guy. If he just wanted to win and that is why he was angry, then I am OK with him voicing his displeasure. After Kawhi got hurt though, I have no idea why he didn't get more court time, so I can see that being a boiling point where he just had enough and started really getting angry. There was no reason not to play him from that point on IMO. Even if it was just 10 minute a game to see if he could make an impact. I really don't know why he was so deep on the bench. Surely it's not for him standing up for himself against the Rockets. I would have done the same thing. F$%^, who am I kidding, I would have gone Rasheed Wallace on their asses and gotten into with them after the game.

[SAGirl]

Not sure why, at this early stage, Folks herr are saying that the Spurs want to move on from him. The Spurs interest or lack of interest in keeping Dedmon had nothing to do with him opting out. He had a 3m option, so even if he gets 4m next year it's worth the opt out.
The media reported rumors that rival GMs don't expect the Spurs to go after him bc he's going to get a substantial raise....

[duncan2150]

Sources close to Dedmon told the Express-News he would be interested in returning to San Antonio, (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2017/05/30/dedmon-declines-player-option-will-test-free-agency/) but would like to see his worth on the free agent market, as he could earn more than his $3 million salary for next season. Forward David Lee also has a deadline approaching (June 30) to decide if he’ll opt-in for next season. Lee’s option is worth $1.6 million.
– via San Antonio Express-News (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2017/05/30/dedmon-declines-player-option-will-test-free-agency/)


I hope he'll be back except if we draft an athletic big, he brings us sometings that we don't have now.

[sasaint]

I still remember the comments Tony made to him after the game against Philadelphia where he had a big double double, TP said something like, hey what are you doing? We're trying to re-sign you next year. I wonder where it all went sour from that point.

If he was angry in the playoffs, where do you guys think he was coming from? Do you think he was mad because could help the Spurs win, or do you think he wanted playing time to increase his contract. I assume early in the playoffs he wanted to play, but maybe when Kawhi went out in game 1, Dedmon was looking for minutes to increase his value. Does anyone think he was looking at it from a next contract angle?

I really liked the guy. If he just wanted to win and that is why he was angry, then I am OK with him voicing his displeasure. After Kawhi got hurt though, I have no idea why he didn't get more court time, so I can see that being a boiling point where he just had enough and started really getting angry. There was no reason not to play him from that point on IMO. Even if it was just 10 minute a game to see if he could make an impact. I really don't know why he was so deep on the bench. Surely it's not for him standing up for himself against the Rockets. I would have done the same thing. F$%^, who am I kidding, I would have gone Rasheed Wallace on their asses and gotten into with them after the game.

I loved this guy's quickness on the perimeter whether against other bigs or on switches. His on-court issues seemed fixable. I would like to see a reliable report on why Pop sent him to Siberia. I have read the recent "report" about his confrontation with Pop at half time of the last game. However, I seem to remember a "report" some time after the fact that he and Pop also had some kind of confrontation much earlier in the season. I don't recall if it allegedly occurred before or after he lost his starting job. Does this ring a bell with you?

[MultiTroll]

All the Dedmon haters have come up with so far is Milutinov.

"Milutinov will not participate in the Spurs’ Summer League next month, because he will be playing for the Serbian national team."

[SAGirl]

I loved this guy's quickness on the perimeter whether against other bigs or on switches. His on-court issues seemed fixable. I would like to see a reliable report on why Pop sent him to Siberia. I have read the recent "report" about his confrontation with Pop at half time of the last game. However, I seem to remember a "report" some time after the fact that he and Pop also had some kind of confrontation much earlier in the season. I don't recall if it allegedly occurred before or after he lost his starting job. Does this ring a bell with you?
Thinking about it, do you recall his benching early in the season after he tweeted a media report about his on-court impact being much better than Gasol and that he should be starting? After that tweet he was benched. Fully benched for a few games.. very early in the season.

That last game 4 against GSW, Lamarcus didn't play in the entire 4th Q, Lee was injured and Pop played Pau a lot of minutes with Anderson to end the 3rd Q and most of the 4th. Pop could have played Deadman some. He didn't except the last couple of minutes in the game when it was a foregone conclusion.

The media asked Pop about him benching LMA. He said oh we were down by 40... no they were down by 14 points more or less. That's not insurmountable if you can get stops. The honest answer would have been that Lamarcus wasn't playing well and the Spurs were worse off with Lamarcus on the floor than they were without him. But that's family business, Pop wasnt going to blame LMA publicly like that.

Anyways Pop still didn't play Dedmon in this alleged blowout "by 40"... (pops humor) and played Pau a lot of minutes. I think Deadman did fall out of favor, but that was kept in house. He wasn't playing well enough, let's be clear too, but him not playing in that game 4 is somewhat reminiscent of Diaw not playing game 6 against OKC. Lamarcus not playing that much in game 4 also makes me question his standing with Pop. Just a lot of unknowns at this point.

[sasaint]

Thinking about it, do you recall his benching early in the season after he tweeted a media report about his on-court impact being much better than Gasol and that he should be starting? After that tweet he was benched. Fully benched for a few games.. very early in the season.

That last game 4 against GSW, Lamarcus didn't play in the entire 4th Q, Lee was injured and Pop played Pau a lot of minutes with Anderson to end the 3rd Q and most of the 4th. Pop could have played Deadman some. He didn't except the last couple of minutes in the game when it was a foregone conclusion.

The media asked Pop about him benching LMA. He said oh we were down by 40... no they were down by 14 points more or less. That's not insurmountable if you can get stops. The honest answer would have been that Lamarcus wasn't playing well and the Spurs were worse off with Lamarcus on the floor than they were without him. But that's family business, Pop wasnt going to blame LMA publicly like that.

Anyways Pop still didn't play Dedmon in this alleged blowout "by 40"... (pops humor) and played Pau a lot of minutes. I think Deadman did fall out of favor, but that was kept in house. He wasn't playing well enough, let's be clear too, but him not playing in that game 4 is somewhat reminiscent of Diaw not playing game 6 against OKC. Lamarcus not playing that much in game 4 also makes me question his standing with Pop. Just a lot of unknowns at this point.

Yeah, now that you remind me I do recall the tweet issue. So, possibly 3 separate run-ins with Pop were "reported" here on ST... On LMA, I can only hope you are on to something, although I doubt it.

[MultiTroll]

Wow, Pop sure showed Dedmon.

[TheGreatYacht]

Wow, Pop sure showed Dedmon.
Deadmon sucks, faggot. Deal with it.

[bic50]

David lee is staying I hope

[TD 21]

slow offseason day but im gonna split hairs... i think you mean the edge that Dedmon plays with cause Milutinov shows a lot of toughness. Also athleticism is good and all but I think you got to factor in other things as well. I'd prefer a higher IQ player like a Splitter or Oberto than just an athletic finishing big. They are exciting and all but sound defense, positioning and smart passing are great too. Plus Dedmon fouled a lot. I hope he does well elsewhere but I wouldn't be surprised if he hits the ground hard as opposed to running. I guess I just want a Spur like player playing in the post. It doesn't have to be flashy or anything, just someone who gets the job done. I think Milutinov would be a better all around player right now if he joined the team. The only thing I don't like is the moving screens he constantly sets.

Fine, edge. Milutinov's athleticism might be decent, but Dedmon's is freakish.

Other things are nice, but the entire big rotation can't be comprised of guys who are decent - bad athletically; not in this era.

Whether Milutinov would be a better immediate option or not is irrelevant, because be both know he'd spend at least one season mostly split between the deep bench and Austin.

[MultiTroll]

Deadmon sucks, I'm a faggot. Deal with it.

Sit, rotate and twist:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l65eS1K8Jao

[TheDoctor]

I was there...

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRbBiCM0RGsdPke90FshLogOPgnht1Qx aW_xhZOl1tfpV6ejSK9

[Chinook]

The Spurs should bring Splitter back just so he can teach Dedmon how to roll better.

[coachmac87]

The Spurs should bring Splitter back just so he can teach Dedmon how to roll better.

And pass, or not foul tbh

[wildbill2u]

I thought he could have been useful in a few playoff games with his speed and athleticism and willingness to play defense. There were times when Gasol was just a liability on the P&R and Aldrich wasn't much betteer. Dedmon could have given a lift off the bench rather than keep playing the other two guys. Oh, well, we move on.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I thought he could have been useful in a few playoff games with his speed and athleticism and willingness to play defense. There were times when Gasol was just a liability on the P&R and Aldrich wasn't much betteer. Dedmon could have given a lift off the bench rather than keep playing the other two guys. Oh, well, we move on.

I agree. I liked his and David Lee's two man game with Mills at the point in the second unit. The switch to Gasol coming off the bench was good for Gasol, but from my perspective it weakened the team a bit overall.

[phxspurfan]

I would rather take the MLE and spend some of it on Baynes as opposed to all of it on Dedmon. Knows the system. Similar rim and perimeter defender, rebounder. Better post defender. Better jumpshot, roll man, passer, and post player. Ideal backup center.


Holy sh*t if we got Baynes back I'd be ecstatic. Or Boban.


Splitter....meh

[palangi]

His transition defense begs to differ my friend.

Well he better be playing transition D since he is allergic to rebounding.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The Spurs should bring Splitter back just so he can teach Dedmon how to roll better.

Isn't Tiago a 3 point shooting stretch big now? Or he just channelled his inner Mark Madsen in a tanking Philly team?

[jermaine]

Sit, rotate and twist:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l65eS1K8Jao

An the Spurs can't figure out how to use this guy!! He's better than Muhammad, Elson, Butler, Daye, Ely, Tiago, Willis, an Oberto(whom I loved)..... An the Spurs is just gonna let him walk. Pop must really be on some get over yourself shit with this dude. I'm willing to bet the house, he's gonna shit on the Spurs every chance he gets!!!

[daledondale]

An the Spurs can't figure out how to use this guy!! He's better than Muhammad, Elson, Butler, Daye, Ely, Tiago, Willis, an Oberto(whom I loved)..... An the Spurs is just gonna let him walk. Pop must really be on some get over yourself shit with this dude. I'm willing to bet the house, he's gonna shit on the Spurs every chance he gets!!!I don't think so, they were better.

[Play Boban]

Holy sh*t if we got Baynes back I'd be ecstatic. Or Boban.


Splitter....meh
:wow

[Dverde]

They already have his replacement...Joel Anthony.

[kaji157]

I really don't see much use for deadman in todays nba.
He can't shot, doesn't rotate well, isn't good on switches, not a good enough post up game, not a good passer, not asmart pick n roll defender.
I admit he has potential, but right now he is not as great as some think.

[jermaine]

I really don't see much use for deadman in todays nba.
He can't shot, doesn't rotate well, isn't good on switches, not a good enough post up game, not a good passer, not asmart pick n roll defender.
I admit he has potential, but right now he is not as great as some think.

But that dumb shit Mcgee is in the finals!!! Are you serious??

[TheGreatYacht]

But that dumb shit Mcgee is in the finals!!! Are you serious??
McGee may be "dumb" (casual vanilla take thanks to Shaqtin) but he knows where to be on the offensive end and can actually catch lobs, unlike stonehands here. He's also a better shot blocker, and it isn't really close.

[SequSpur]

McGee is terrible

[jermaine]

Maybe I just like/root for Dedmon to much that I'm blind to see somethings... Only difference I see is PGs willing to throw the lob!! Dedmon looked his best when they were lobbing him passes. For some reason they went away from it.

[NameLess Scrub]

slow offseason day but im gonna split hairs... i think you mean the edge that Dedmon plays with cause Milutinov shows a lot of toughness. Also athleticism is good and all but I think you got to factor in other things as well. I'd prefer a higher IQ player like a Splitter or Oberto than just an athletic finishing big. They are exciting and all but sound defense, positioning and smart passing are great too. Plus Dedmon fouled a lot. I hope he does well elsewhere but I wouldn't be surprised if he hits the ground hard as opposed to running. I guess I just want a Spur like player playing in the post. It doesn't have to be flashy or anything, just someone who gets the job done. I think Milutinov would be a better all around player right now if he joined the team. The only thing I don't like is the moving screens he constantly sets.

Aren't moving screens a coveted skill in today's NBA? Or is it just if you are GSW?

[poop]

Dedmon was solid in his role but pop pulled a pop and decided he wasnt going to play him.

Athletic, high energy 7 footers arent easy to find esp for cheap. Whoever they replace him will prob be a 6-9 flat footed vet who pop will trot out for 20 min a game to get face fucked at the rim.

[kaji157]

But that dumb shit Mcgee is in the finals!!! Are you serious??

And we are not the warriors, we rely a lot more on defensive and offensive discipline.

[keithington1]

Jean Charles is better than Dedmon

[HarlemHeat37]

Dedmon was one of the 5 best defensive Cs in the league, this season, tbh(#2 in DRPM, top 5 rim protection % among all players)..Warriors wanted him, last off-season, hopefully he doesn't join them once McGee leaves(maybe the screen on Curry created bad blood)..

His offense is a work in progress, but he would look much better on a team with playmakers(Spurs don't have any consistent creators)..

[TimDunkem]

Dedmon was one of the 5 best defensive Cs in the league, this season, tbh(#2 in DRPM, top 5 rim protection % among all players)..Warriors wanted him, last off-season, hopefully he doesn't join them once McGee leaves(maybe the screen on Curry created bad blood)..

His offense is a work in progress, but he would look much better on a team with playmakers(Spurs don't have any consistent creators)..
This.

[HarlemHeat37]

Also, I'll be interested to see if we will ever hear why he fell out of favor with Pop, tbh..I don't believe it was strictly basketball-related, but we'll see..

[bluebellmaniac]

I still remember the comments Tony made to him after the game against Philadelphia where he had a big double double, TP said something like, hey what are you doing? We're trying to re-sign you next year. I wonder where it all went sour from that point.

If he was angry in the playoffs, where do you guys think he was coming from? Do you think he was mad because could help the Spurs win, or do you think he wanted playing time to increase his contract. I assume early in the playoffs he wanted to play, but maybe when Kawhi went out in game 1, Dedmon was looking for minutes to increase his value. Does anyone think he was looking at it from a next contract angle?

I really liked the guy. If he just wanted to win and that is why he was angry, then I am OK with him voicing his displeasure. After Kawhi got hurt though, I have no idea why he didn't get more court time, so I can see that being a boiling point where he just had enough and started really getting angry. There was no reason not to play him from that point on IMO. Even if it was just 10 minute a game to see if he could make an impact. I really don't know why he was so deep on the bench. Surely it's not for him standing up for himself against the Rockets. I would have done the same thing. F$%^, who am I kidding, I would have gone Rasheed Wallace on their asses and gotten into with them after the game.

:pop: He needs to get over himself first.

[TheGreatYacht]

Deadman</3 was a product of the Spurs defensive scheme. Only idiots don't see that. His defensive metrics took a huge jump this year compared to his Orlando days, shit even Pau had some good defensive metrics especially compared to his Chicago years. His slurpers can keep making excuses as to why Deadman</3 got cut from the rotation, but it's happened in every team he's been on. Might be a cancer....

Nothing more than a system player, on both ends, literally. Lord have mercy on whatever team pays that loser this summer.

[Play Boban]

Deadman</3 was a product of the Spurs defensive scheme. Only idiots don't see that. His defensive metrics took a huge jump this year compared to his Orlando days, shit even Pau had some good defensive metrics especially compared to his Chicago years. His slurpers can keep making excuses as to why Deadman</3 got cut from the rotation, but it's happened in every team he's been on. Might be a cancer....

Nothing more than a system player, on both ends, literally. Lord have mercy on whatever team pays that loser this summer.

[CGD]

He'd be good to have at the MLE. Lock him in this year, and next year his deal will look like a bargain.

[Play Boban]

He'd be good to have at the MLE. Lock him in this year, and next year his deal will look like a bargain.:lol

[BillMc]

Deadman</3 was a product of the Spurs defensive scheme. Only idiots don't see that. His defensive metrics took a huge jump this year compared to his Orlando days, shit even Pau had some good defensive metrics especially compared to his Chicago years. His slurpers can keep making excuses as to why Deadman</3 got cut from the rotation, but it's happened in every team he's been on. Might be a cancer....

Nothing more than a system player, on both ends, literally. Lord have mercy on whatever team pays that loser this summer.

This. Some team will open up their wallets for him. Spurs don't need to be that team.

[spurraider21]

the spurs screwed the pooch on this one

[ace3g]

Spurs need to draft Jonah Bolden to replace Dedmon.

[BackHome]

Yeah I thought he was much good with a passing PG but we have scoring PG so they don't create any offense for him. But he will get a big paycheck just like Simmons and Mills and we can replace all three guys with a trade and draft pick.

[UZER]

Pop does not like or know how to use athletic bigs. Never has, never will. He likes guys like Bonner that can just stand in the right place, even if they can't do anything valuable on the floor. He likes that he can 100% control them.

[BackHome]

For some reason besides Duncan and David Pop has had been terrible coaching any big men?

[Play Boban]

I'd rather have Joel Anthony than Dead Man tbh.

[GSH]

Pop does not like or know how to use athletic bigs. Never has, never will. He likes guys like Bonner that can just stand in the right place, even if they can't do anything valuable on the floor. He likes that he can 100% control them.


Pop likes to lose. It's why the Spurs are always so bad.




I'd rather have Joel Anthony than Dead Man tbh. And I've had both.

[Spurtacular]

If avid Lee opts out, we can add Spurtacular (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49615) to the list. :danceclub

I mean :depressed

I would care that much about a role player for why?

[MultiTroll]

Pop likes to lose. It's why the Spurs are always so bad.
It's not really true.
Pop is 17-16 since 2014s Duncan coached Championship.
That's a nifty, what .501

[cjw]

It's not really true.
Pop is 17-16 since 2014s Duncan coached Championship.
That's a nifty, what .501

Yeah, 17-16

3-4 vs Clippers in 2015
4-0 vs Grizzlies in 2016
2-4 vs Thunder in 2016 (game 2 remains a huge but punch)
4-2 vs Grizzlies in 2017
4-2 vs Rockets in 2017 (2-0 without Kawhi to finish games)
0-4 vs Warriors in 2017 (+21 with Kawhi)

Amazing that it's just one game over .500 over that stretch.