Russia escalates spy games after years of U.S. neglect

[RandomGuy]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/01/russia-spies-espionage-trump-239003


In the throes of the 2016 campaign, the FBI found itself with an escalating problem: Russian diplomats, whose travel was supposed to be tracked by the State Department, were going missing.

The diplomats, widely assumed to be intelligence operatives, would eventually turn up in odd places, often in middle-of-nowhere USA. One was found on a beach, nowhere near where he was supposed to be. In one particularly bizarre case, relayed by a U.S. intelligence official, another turned up wandering around in the middle of the desert. Interestingly, both seemed to be lingering where underground fiber-optic cables tend to run.


According to another U.S. intelligence official, “They find these guys driving around in circles in Kansas. It’s a pretty aggressive effort.”

It’s a trend that has led intelligence officials to conclude that the Kremlin is waging a quiet effort to map the United States’ telecommunications infrastructure, perhaps preparing for an opportunity to disrupt it.

“Half the time, they’re never confronted,” the official, who declined to be identified discussing intelligence matters, said of the incidents. “We assume they’re mapping our infrastructure.”

As the country — and Washington in particular — borders on near-obsession over whether affiliates of Donald Trump’s campaign colluded with the Kremlin to swing the 2016 presidential election, U.S. intelligence officials say Moscow’s espionage ground game is growing stronger and more brazen than ever.

It’s a problem that’s sparking increasing concern from the intelligence community, including the FBI. After neglecting the Russian threat for a decade, the U.S. was caught flat-footed by Moscow’s election operation. Now, officials are scrambling to figure out how to contain a sophisticated intelligence network that’s festered and strengthened at home after years’ worth of inattention.

[boutons_deux]

Trash intends to let Russian spies back into their US compounds after Obama kicked them out.

Trash is very probably, and obviously SECRETLY, indebted to Pootin's mafiya by many $100Ms, giving Pootin leverage.

Next up, will be Trash allowing Rexxon T and Vlad to close their $500B oil/gas deal.

[Thread]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah.

Trump President. Not Clinton.

[hater]

"Everyone spies on everyone" -Barack Hussain Obomba after being discovered he bugged Merkels personal phone

[RandomGuy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah.

Trump President. Not Clinton.

Putin president, not Mendeleev.

[Thread]

"Everyone spies on everyone" -Barack Hussain Obomba after being discovered he bugged Merkels personal phone

You gd right, hater.

It's perceived as righteous when we do it to them---and an outrage when it's done to us.

[RandomGuy]

You gd right, hater.

It's perceived as righteous when we do it to them---and an outrage when it's done to us.

+1

Still, we should be aware of our enemies' capabilities and intentions.

[boutons_deux]

+1

Still, we should be aware of our enemies' capabilities and intentions.

Pootin HATES Hillary because she, as SoS, supported the Russian demonstrations against Pootin's crooked election in 2011(?), and of course, Hillary's little neocon bitch Victoria Nuland supported the Ukrainian Nazis who overthrew Pootin's puppet in Ukraine.

[hater]

+1

Still, we should be aware of our enemies' capabilities and intentions.

puttin agrees

[SnakeBoy]

After neglecting the Russian threat for a decade, the U.S. was caught flat-footed by Moscow’s election operation.

Thanks Obama

[baseline bum]

Thanks Obama

But you approve so why are you complaining?

[Thread]

^^^Trump really knocked over the fucking apple cart November last. Everybody got their shit rearranged. Obama thought he was going to be President for another 8 years. Gonna sit in there with the Clintons and have a grand old time.

Just gets better every day, bum.

[RandomGuy]

Funny that the people who claim the most patriotism... seem the most unconcerned about threats to the country. Why is that?

[Adam Lambert]

nothing to see here, whys everybody so concerned about russia? theyre our allies

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/top-secret-nsa-report-details-russian-hacking-effort-days-before-2016-election/

[Adam Lambert]

darrins get in here and mock the intercept for screeching about russia

[TSA]

nothing to see here, whys everybody so concerned about russia? theyre our allies

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/top-secret-nsa-report-details-russian-hacking-effort-days-before-2016-election/

871836350709891073

dumb bitch already got caught leaking to the Intercept :lol

[Adam Lambert]

dumb bitch?

leakers are tsas heroes unless their leaks implicate russia/trump

[SnakeBoy]

But you approve so why are you complaining?

Who's complaining? All these discussions about Russia as our greatest geopolitical threat are Gold baseline! Gold!

[Reck]

871836350709891073

dumb bitch already got caught leaking to the Intercept :lol

Not before confirming Russians did hack some voting machines. Her sacrifice is noted.

[Adam Lambert]

her name is reality winner
her name is reality winner
her name is reality winner
her name is reality winner
her name is reality winner
her name is reality winner
her name is reality winner
her name is reality winner
her name is reality winner

[hater]

She leaked a memo that said Russians did not hack the elction :lmao

:lmao winnnning

[Adam Lambert]

goalposts moving faster than trumps approval rating

[Reck]

She leaked a memo that said Russians did not hack the elction :lmao

:lmao winnnning

Actually not really. Learn how to read brah.

Something that reads: "The russians did not hacked the elections" is not something that 1, would be classified. And 2, would carry any criminal action toward the person who "leaked" it.

[Spurminator]

Real attempts by Russia to hack election results are certainly of great concern even if they were unsuccessful. Especially if we're going to kowtow to their every request moving forward as this administration seems inclined to do.

[spurraider21]

Real attempts by Russia to hack election results are certainly of great concern even if they were unsuccessful. Especially if we're going to kowtow to their every request moving forward as this administration seems inclined to do.He mopped the fuckin' floor with her fuckin' ass.

[Adam Lambert]

remember all the "rigged election" talk from trump before the election?

maybe he expected to lose and knew news of russia hacking would come out. maybe he thought it would benefit him instead of hurt him.


dun dun dunnnnn

[Thread]

He mopped the fuckin' floor with her fuckin' ass.

Sometimes I sit in my Lazy Boy at nite watching CNN/MSNBC just bellowin' that fuckin' line.

[RandomGuy]

dumb bitch?

leakers are tsas heroes unless their leaks implicate russia/trump

https://pics.onsizzle.com/you-wouldnt-the-death-star-lans-downloading-the-death-star-12026126.png

[RandomGuy]

remember all the "rigged election" talk from trump before the election?

maybe he expected to lose and knew news of russia hacking would come out. maybe he thought it would benefit him instead of hurt him.


dun dun dunnnnn

Oddly enough the Steele dossier said that Russia was trying to think of ways to get Sanders supporters to vote Trump.

[TSA]

Oddly enough the Steele dossier said that Russia was trying to think of ways to get Sanders supporters to vote Trump.

When Louise Mensch is the only other person still talking about the Steele dossier you should stop and think

[RandomGuy]

When Louise Mensch is the only other person still talking about the Steele dossier you should stop and think

I case less about red herrings, and what the Short Attention Span Brigade has moved onto, and more about evaluating evidence.

It stands/falls on its own. Some of the items have been proven out, some not.

As noted before, it looks and feels enough like real world intel I have handled to make me much less hesitant to dismiss it outright.

[TSA]

I case less about red herrings, and what the Short Attention Span Brigade has moved onto, and more about evaluating evidence.

It stands/falls on its own. Some of the items have been proven out, some not.

As noted before, it looks and feels enough like real world intel I have handled to make me much less hesitant to dismiss it outright.

The IC community dismissed it and wouldn't include it in their report because it was full of unverifiable bullshit Steele received from paying unverifiable third parties.


I lose respect for you every time you bring up that you care more about evaluating evidence and "it stands/falls on its own" after you've been given proof that the DNC hack was not done by Russia but framed to look like Russia. You don't give a fuck about the evidence when it contradicts the story you are pushing.

[RandomGuy]

The IC community dismissed it and wouldn't include it in their report because it was full of unverifiable bullshit Steele received from paying unverifiable third parties.

I lose respect for you every time you bring up that you care more about evaluating evidence and "it stands/falls on its own" after you've been given proof that the DNC hack was not done by Russia but framed to look like Russia. You don't give a fuck about the evidence when it contradicts the story you are pushing.

Provide a link to definitive statements regarding the intelligence community's collective opinion of the dossier.

[TSA]

Provide a link to definitive statements regarding the intelligence community's collective opinion of the dossier.

It was not provided in the ODNI specifically because it was unverifiable bullshit.

[RandomGuy]

wouldn't include it in their report because it was full of unverifiable bullshit Steele received from paying unverifiable third parties.

I have left things out of more than one audit report where I couldn't quite pin shit down as fully documented, but I was more than 90% certain a company was doing something wrong.

Please provide a link to a direct statement regarding the reasoning for decision of an intelligence official to "not include it in their report".

[RandomGuy]

The IC community dismissed it


Quote Originally Posted by RandomGuy

Provide a link to definitive statements regarding the intelligence community's collective opinion of the dossier.


It was not provided in the ODNI specifically because it was unverifiable bullshit.

You made a claim. Back it up.

Unverified doesn't mean they thought it was completely false, that is your interpretation of what you read on Breitbart, not their direct words.

[RandomGuy]

That leaves us with two significant takeaways from the analysis:
1) there are substantial reasons to give the report credibility (highly credible author, reports of other links and communications between the Trump campaign and Russia, much of the structure and substance of the reports, the fact that the US intelligence community seems to think it deserves further investigation) and reasons to question its veracity (access to Kremlin seems too good, lack of caveat or caution in assessments, factual errors and other details).
2) There is more than enough material (sources named, locations, organizations, time frames) to keep the FBI and the intelligence community busy with an investigation for several months.


Editor's Note: Nick Dowling has worked with the intelligence community as a customer, producer, and policymaker for more than 20 years. He was director of European Affairs on the National Security Council staff at the White House during the Clinton administration. He worked closely with former MI6 officials in private intelligence work. He is currently president and CEO of IDS International, which provides training, research, logistics, and cyber security work for the United States government. The opinions expressed in this commentary are his.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/16/opinions/is-it-fake-news-dowling/

That pretty much sums up my impression as well. It is more than enough on its face to warrant some serious investigation.

[RandomGuy]

anyhoo. times up.

[TSA]

would James Clapper be a good enough source?

[spurraider21]

would James Clapper be a good enough source?
we all know how this plays out. you post a clip of clapper saying no evidence, and djohn posts a tweet about how clapper was never briefed on it in the first place. just saved you all the time.

[TSA]

we all know how this plays out. you post a clip of clapper saying no evidence, and djohn posts a tweet about how clapper was never briefed on it in the first place. just saved you all the time.

:lol chiming in completely off topic. Thanks for trying.

[RandomGuy]

we all know how this plays out. you post a clip of clapper saying no evidence, and djohn posts a tweet about how clapper was never briefed on it in the first place. just saved you all the time.

no evidence = unverified

Show me anything where anyone in the IC dismisses the dossier outright as being completely false.

Clapper was very measured with his words.

[RandomGuy]

:lol chiming in completely off topic. Thanks for trying.

Play devils advocate for a moment then. If the dossier is to be discounted entirely, as you wish, it should be easy to do.

Is there anything in the dossier that could be factually verified, that actually was factually verified?